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hello and welcome to your new year's day

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episode of thinking critically a d and d

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discussion a podcast where we deep dive

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single word concepts or ideas within the

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dungeons and dragons 5e framework my

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name is danilo and i like all kinds of

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games and the crunchy mechanics that

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make him tick you can find me on twitter

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facebook and instagram and i'd really

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appreciate a like or a follow today i'm

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joined by tim who plays ulrich in our

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dungeons dyson dudes actual play podcast

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please do check us out thanks again for

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coming on tim why don't you tell us a

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little bit about yourself uh yeah you're

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welcome pleasure to be here as they say

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uh yeah i'm tim as danielle said and i

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play ulrich in our dnd campaign podcast

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that we do also i manage the uh the

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socials as well that's my

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job for my part which is always fun not

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the best at it but still learning you

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know and the teas and the coffees as

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well and i i was named in like the first

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episode we went live as like the the

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producer of the show because i kept

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having all these grand ideas and they're

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like are you paying for all this timmy

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is that is that your role

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but unless that's not so but um

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i'm a huge nerd have been for a long

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time been playing d d on and off for

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10

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15 years something like that as a small

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child with my brother's friends uh so

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always been a huge fan of it and it was

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not until um a couple years ago that

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i've got back into it hard with fellow

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podcastee nathan who was on last week is

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that right uh yes yeah

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yeah um he kind of got me into it again

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with rob who's also been on this this

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podcast as well so you know lots of uh

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fan favorites i'm sure you know

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but yeah i just love dnd love talking

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about it and

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have love of many table top games and

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often that's a big fan of warhammer 40k

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which i'm sure some of you

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enjoy too especially the laws all that

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is always always good fun yes i probably

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pissed off a few people in my talk with

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nathan about warhammer 40k

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oh and really no

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it's okay i was really into it at one

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point it's okay i'm allowed i'm allowed

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to say things okay we'll just brush

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brush that pest shall we push into that

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yeah

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cool so thank you very very much for

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coming on today's topic is

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all about time

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so for starters tim

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tim time tim the time man what does tim

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time man yeah what does time mean to you

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when you asked me what like uh stuff i

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wanted to talk about and you said time i

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was like yeah that's that's a great one

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and then i just didn't realize the

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gravity of like

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how big a subject time is yeah that's

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that's something i've wrestled with

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in every episode before this one

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yeah like

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some big big subjects but

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to boil it down to like real brass tack

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stuff like yes there's uh loads of

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sciency stuff and science fiction stuff

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around time and like time and space and

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the link between them and

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and relativity and einstein and all that

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crazy stuff but for us mere mortals

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i'd kind of say that that time for me is

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the measure of just how things change in

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your life and in

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everything around you and that's kind of

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how i would see time as such i did a

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little bit of research um about time for

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this podcast and it came across quite an

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interesting article um written by some

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physicists about the order of time it

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was very uh

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dramatic i have to say but there was one

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quote in it which uh kind of put things

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in perspective a little bit for me which

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is uh time is an illusion and our naive

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perception of how it's how it flows

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doesn't correspond to actual physical

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which kind of really spoke to me in the

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level of oh we can

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think we know what time is but it

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doesn't actually correspond to how

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we perceive it or look at it

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it's all in our heads effectively

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suddenly my notes about

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uh is six seconds a combat turn it looks

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completely redundant now

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well i don't know because i i also have

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stuff on that as well i just like as an

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overarching thing i was like oh this is

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interesting like i like this yeah and it

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does kind of correlate into like

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dnd a little bit as well and a lot as

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i was very interesting that even

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regardless of how time is a concept it

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doesn't matter because it's just how we

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perceive it at the end of the day that's

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probably a little bit too uh

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big brain but uh

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a galaxy brain

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like i'm not prepared i'm not prepared

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for this

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i just saw us real quick but like yeah

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it's just how things change i i'd say is

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the best way of describing it for me as

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a as on a personal thing yeah that's

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good and one of the reasons why i love

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you know when i'm knee-deep in editing

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sometimes it's difficult to have the

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strength to be like man is this this

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worth it at the moment pretty much every

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time i've started recording with

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somebody and that opening question is

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what does it mean to you i can't think

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of a time where it's been

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exactly how i've approached it

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so that's really good because i was

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really in the maya of

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i mean i've got i got a few notes on you

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know character aging and the progress of

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time in a campaign but not from a a

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point of view of entropy

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essentially which is that's what the

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passage of time brings us all towards

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this entropic state yeah uh i've just

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got to try and put my my big boy pants

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on and figure out how to now apply that

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to her

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that was just kind of like my overall

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thought the rest of the the stuff i want

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to talk about at least is very d d

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centric i feel like it has everything to

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do with like

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the mechanics and and how it affects

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like character development and role play

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uh and all that kind of stuff

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so yeah

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i just because i literally went to

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google and was like what is time

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and that's kind of what i came across so

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yeah it's fun i've got this image of you

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sitting in like a lounge with you know a

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mug of hot chocolate big thick glasses

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on a robe

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what is time

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first time yeah i had like some brandy

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and yeah cigar

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here's the thought that i've just had to

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tie it in so there's there's a meme that

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goes around that's like

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five minutes when

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you're in school

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yeah and the clock is like four hours

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long or it's how five minutes feels when

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it's uh you know you're playing a video

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game and it's yeah it just flies by

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kind of thing

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when you're playing

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or dming yep a session is too long how

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do they feel

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do you enjoy yourself the entire time

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i personally feel that i often come out

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of sessions especially those where i'm

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dming but to a lesser extent those that

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i'm playing quite drained

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yeah and i think one part of that now

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i'm thinking about it is this kind of

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compression of time almost i find it

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tiring to rubber band

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so for one moment you can say seven

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months has passed because you've been

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traveling on a ship

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okay right that's a lot of time to have

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just passed the bigger the eye and then

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the second hand in combat

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to definitely tie in to my first point

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of it only being six seconds and the

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amount of times i've been asked halfway

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through combat or at the end of like

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okay well how long how long have i got

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left on this spell it's it's only a

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minute and i go oh well it's only three

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it's not even been half a minute yet so

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and that that kind of compression and it

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expansion of time is quite tiring i

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don't know how your what your thoughts

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are on

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you know time in a session i suppose

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yeah it's definitely a very odd

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mechanic of the game because it really

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depends on oh it's very situational like

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i was talking to uh psy about it the day

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actually and he kind of described it the

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best for me like scenes in films and

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it really depends on how the director

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wants you to perceive the time in that

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scene as such and i guess that directly

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how the dm wants you to perceive time in

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either combat or actually the rp that

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you're doing it's all down to

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what what they want which is kind of why

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dmi is kind of like being god a little

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bit because you are in control of time

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yeah no absolutely yeah yeah like you

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can have a director

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take a very long time over just one

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moment uh which could take

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maybe a minute or so like you have those

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films that last like two three hours

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that are meant to be just like one day

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or you can have a film that is two or

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three hours and is over years and years

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and years of actual

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time in the characters lives

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and yeah it can be really

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disjoints in your head kind of like

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you're seasick that kind of thing

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if you're flipping between like

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different time zones in your head and

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i could definitely be

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a bit tiring for sure i just think in

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there it's like the total war series of

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games where you have the country level

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soldiers but then when you go down into

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a fight you zoom all the way down to the

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boots on the ground kind of thing i

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think campaigns can kind of be like that

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with that rubber banding of okay we're

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that's gonna take two days worth of

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walking yeah and um as i've discussed on

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previous episodes i'm a fan of you know

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the combat having

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a meaning having a purpose so yeah you

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know there's not just going to be

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arbitrary combats in the wilderness just

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for the sake of it unless of course it

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drives home that the wilderness is super

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dangerous and you're going to die then

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it makes sense but otherwise those two

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days can pass

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relatively quickly

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and then when you get into town it

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suddenly yeah puts puts the brakes on

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again to do that micro kind of boots on

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the ground kind of stuff so

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yeah in the 50s you have this kind of

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six second rule for combat and stuff and

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that is like a limitation that the game

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puts on you for combat

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but outside of that i'd say

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time is more used kind of like as a

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narrative tool

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i've heard of people using campaign like

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really time centrically so like each

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task that you perform has to take a

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certain amount of time and the

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characters have to keep track of that

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and know

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how long things take and how long spells

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take the cast and

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and i guess

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a good way a good example we can tie it

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into our campaign that we're proud of is

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my character's

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time he has left as such

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obviously he has a clock on that like

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that kind of overshadows now

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my decisions as a player

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how i approach certain situations and

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and stuff but um i see i see where

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you're going at that like

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in combat it's a mechanical

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framework in the same way that spell

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slots are a mechanical framework but

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yeah outside of combat it fulfills a

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completely different purpose of being

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this kind of external antagonist

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in a way yeah putting pressure

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on the

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party and providing a source of conflict

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and i'm really trying to hit all the

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topics of my previous podcasts in one

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sentence

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synergy

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yeah

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so yeah i'm a huge fan of

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trying to drill in

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that idea to my players of everything

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takes time so

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i in earlier sessions go quite hard on

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people being like i check for traps and

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i go okay that's going to take an hour

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yeah you're in enemy territory you don't

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know where you are you can't see more

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than 60 feet ahead of you do you want to

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spend an hour combing

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every brick for pressure paints beneath

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it

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and suddenly they're like oh um maybe

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maybe i don't want to do that yeah

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because that initial thought is just i

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check for traps ding no traps cool

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fine we're safe now when i'm really

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trying to build a world that's like no

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you can't just do that for free there's

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a cost there and the cost isn't just the

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dice roll the cost is

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you've got expend time and effort doing

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it you can't just extend your senses and

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innately know that there's no traps in

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the area you've got to check you've got

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to get a little knife out put it between

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the bricks jiggle it around is there any

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give there so i'm really trying level

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that in and the same with like ritual

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yeah spell casting which is of course 10

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minutes so i'm always like okay well

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that person is just sitting in their ass

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for 10 minutes what's everyone else

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doing sitting in silence

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probably not

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yeah i mean

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it not only like grounds your players in

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in realism but

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it definitely raises the stakes of

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everything you do within the game like

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if there's no time that you keep a track

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of then

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a lot of it becomes meaningless because

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you just do these things

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when you say them and they don't have

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any actions or consequences that's just

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happening around you and that kind of

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stuff but as soon as you say oh this

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will take this amount of time and this

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will have this effect on you like

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my best example i can think of is

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similar to like your traps and stuff but

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when you're on a unlike a big dungeon

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crawl with your party and stuff and

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they're in there for a very long time

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and they've done lots of checking your

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traps and the torches have been on for a

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long time and it's getting darker and

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darker because the torches are going out

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slower and slower and the more time that

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they're in the dungeon that perhaps more

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monsters notice that they're in the

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dungeon and in in wherever they are and

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it gets more and more dangerous

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yeah it's a really great tool to kind of

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give your players

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that sense of urgency i guess about what

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the situation they're in or

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um like a proper grounding in in realism

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which again just helps them

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become more engaged and have

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a better time i'd say yeah now we're

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talking about it i'm seeing it more as

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i think i think i thought about it as

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but now i'm really seeing it as a

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resource in the same way that yeah

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action surge and

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spell slots are a resource to be spent

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then time is also a resource to be spent

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by the players and any

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semi-serious

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campaign will have some kind of clock

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ticking the players might not know it

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well the characters might not know it

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but yeah there will be a bad person

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somewhere doing bad things while the

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players don't do anything

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so

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an example from my current campaign is

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they're in a

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pretty typical kobold dungeon warrenis

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small tunnels everywhere

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very claustrophobic very difficult to

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navigate you know looping paths traps

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all that kind of stuff and they

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decided to

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bust in quite loudly they had a piece of

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combat with some of the kobolds one

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escaped with its life to some other part

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of the tunnel and then after that they

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decided to take stock return to the

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entrance and take a short rest yeah of

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which gave the kobolds

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all the time in the world to prepare and

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to plan and

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they'd heard the combat one had come

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back to say hey here's who's attacking

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us here's the numbers here's what they

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can do

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let's get ready because they've

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disappeared for a bit so my players are

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all like oh let's go this we should be

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fine now we've killed a lot of them and

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i had to say well yeah but you've also

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done nothing for 60 minutes so

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the the world hasn't stopped moving

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yeah you've spent that you've spent that

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resource of time and you've basically

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paid it to the enemies

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yeah and now that you've said that time

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in d is definitely a resource it makes

445
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so much more sense now as a mechanic

446
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definitely like

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i just want to go back to the fact the

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point that it definitely just grounds

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and and makes makes those players

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fear for their characters in a way that

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you wouldn't have unless you implemented

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that kind of stuff and that's that's

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really cool example of that i'm

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definitely going to use that at some

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point

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i think i just thought just came to me a

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good kind of other side of the same coin

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and a lot of this podcast we

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fall back on video game knowledge which

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is my

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my other primary passion yeah same

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is

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the uh the souls series okay notorious

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for the fact that you can't pause them

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yeah

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and that every action you do takes

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some time be it to drink a potion so

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it's not like say skyrim where you can

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pause the game as a dragon's about to

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incinerate you yeah eat 50 chills cheese

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wheels in an instant and suddenly you're

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fighting fear again you can't do that in

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the souls games because they are saying

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much like d and d funnily enough not a

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parallel i would have

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naturally drawn until we've started

477
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talking about it today to say no okay

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you can drink a potion an esther slask

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but that's going to take some time and

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the enemies are still going to keep

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wailing on you and that's the kind of

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environment i want to build in

483
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my dnd campaign to say yeah you can

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rest it up on fire for an hour

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but the enemies are still going to be

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kicking around or actually

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moving within the university of grid i

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mean

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it just makes it more rewarding as well

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like

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going back to the souls games i've had

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really passionate discussions

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with people about how they're the best

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games they've ever ever ever played

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because of the level of realism

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and the stuff you just talked about and

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how difficult the combat is and how you

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can get so far in like a boss fight and

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stuff and then if you like make a

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mistake right at the end or or during

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with like getting your potion timing

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wrong or

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getting one of your roles incorrectly

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and it's all done and you're dead there

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and then

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after like 20 minutes of fighting his

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boss and it's heartbreaking when it

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happens but at the same time when you

509
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put in all that effort

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into the into the fight and it and it

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succeeds and you managed to kill that

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boss or whatever then yeah i've just got

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some people saying like that's why they

514
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love that game so much because it's so

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rewarding when you get it right and

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again

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i love dnd for

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a ton of different reasons but

519
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we both definitely put in a lot of time

520
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and effort into it

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and

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when things go

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perfect and you and you get that natural

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20 on an attack that is just perfectly

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set up and like you get ridiculous

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damage and

527
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everything just like falls in place

528
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perfectly yeah it's so rewarding and

529
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without the time and effort you put into

530
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that it definitely does uh

531
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it wouldn't be as meaningful to me at

532
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least for sure i think that's a thought

533
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that a number of people have had as we

534
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sit down to do these kind of discussions

535
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in that the old ad age of the more you

536
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put in the more you get out is really

537
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quite true for d d in a really kind of

538
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distilled fashion it's probably the best

539
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way to put it yeah to ground us for a

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second and bring us back down

541
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i saw

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a

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reddit post a little while ago

544
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and there's

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a in the same way that to use the film

546
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analogy from before films often will

547
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skip the boring parts yes it's called so

548
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you don't ever see jason bourne

549
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you know

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sitting on the toilet my god it's jason

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bourne

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sitting on the toilet eating a rustlers

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things right

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and the same is often

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the case for d d where the m is never

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like oh you haven't taken the toilet

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break in six hours

558
00:19:33,919 --> 00:19:37,760
take a level of exhaustion because you

559
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:40,480
piss your pants yeah because that's not

560
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,240
that exciting yeah in my opinion the

561
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,919
reddit post however said you know don't

562
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,919
don't skip those boring parts because

563
00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:47,039
they give player characters time to

564
00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:48,880
shine

565
00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:51,520
how do you feel about that

566
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,760
it's it's really tricky because

567
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,760
again you don't want to

568
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,280
waste time i mean is obviously quite

569
00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,400
precious

570
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,760
going after these quite mundane things

571
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,240
and and making sure that all the

572
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,559
mechanics are followed to to the letter

573
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,360
and that every little single thing is

574
00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:11,039
how it how it should be because you can

575
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,840
lose a bit of

576
00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:13,679
the

577
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,559
the narrative element of it

578
00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:17,760
like

579
00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:19,360
life itself if you played it out

580
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,799
exactly perfectly

581
00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:23,440
wouldn't be particularly exciting but

582
00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:25,200
you have these very exciting set pieces

583
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,440
if you like where stuff happens in them

584
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,720
so like if you

585
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,720
only

586
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,880
had the boring bits

587
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,320
that would suck but again if you only

588
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,080
had the exciting bits yeah that'd be

589
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,840
entertaining but it wouldn't be very

590
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,120
realistic so you definitely have to find

591
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,000
it like a decent balance and such

592
00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:42,960
and

593
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,640
i don't know about you but i've

594
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,840
definitely found like

595
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,919
the best

596
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,600
rp that i've definitely been a part of

597
00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:51,360
has been during

598
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,520
like traveling somewhere or doing

599
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,559
something mundane like

600
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,559
going to

601
00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:58,240
watch for the evening to make sure we

602
00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:59,919
don't get killed or whatever and the

603
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,240
funniest rp that i've been a part of has

604
00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:04,880
been during those little moments rather

605
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,480
than like the big grandiose plot points

606
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520
that have happened

607
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,840
so yeah there's them definitely a

608
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,000
balance to be found yeah and as uh you

609
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,080
said they're about tying into not

610
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,440
wasting time and we just spent 10

611
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,600
minutes talking about how you shouldn't

612
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,760
waste time because it's a resource i

613
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,720
think there's an element of it's that

614
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,200
trust

615
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,919
that i talk about and another episode

616
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,880
between the player and the dm

617
00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:29,600
so

618
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,440
the the players need to trust the dm to

619
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,720
not be like oh that was a really

620
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,480
heartfelt moment you had that was really

621
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,159
good you know nice nice role play really

622
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,240
enjoyed it uh your parents had died

623
00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:40,320
because you were too slow like that

624
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,799
because that's just

625
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,039
not fun so the dm's got to be

626
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:47,039
see the wood for the trees and be like

627
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,159
okay no this is i'll give them these

628
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,280
five minutes

629
00:21:48,159 --> 00:21:51,039
because

630
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,320
that was really good play and the

631
00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:54,240
players need to be like okay i'm not

632
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,559
gonna take the piss here but if we keep

633
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,159
[ __ ] around doing superfluous things

634
00:21:56,559 --> 00:22:02,000
then yeah he's going to bite us in the

635
00:21:58,159 --> 00:22:04,640
ass but we can trust him to allow us

636
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,000
time to role play essentially yeah at

637
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,520
the end of the day

638
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,200
we're playing a game to have fun and

639
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,679
there are lots of elements of the game

640
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,919
that make it more fun or you can totally

641
00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:18,159
take it very seriously because you get a

642
00:22:15,919 --> 00:22:21,520
lot of fun from doing that as well but

643
00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:23,600
to be a real like stickler for um

644
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,120
like little things like that and very

645
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,640
pernickety and

646
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,240
if it doesn't sit well with your your

647
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,559
players and they don't kind of like that

648
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,720
then maybe that's not the best option to

649
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:36,159
kind of use time in that way

650
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:38,880
yeah in the door as a dm you are have a

651
00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:40,720
responsibility to tell a decent story

652
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,520
and to have your players engaged with

653
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,600
that

654
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,880
and very often if you approach it like

655
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,400
that you don't

656
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,400
you lose out on a lot of things if you

657
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,080
do like that for sure

658
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,600
so

659
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,640
talking of

660
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,240
interactions between players yeah

661
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,320
there is

662
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,159
often a trap that

663
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,919
has happened in every single game i've

664
00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:02,720
ever played in

665
00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:04,080
where

666
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,320
at some point that doesn't happen and

667
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:09,280
the players characters have to split up

668
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,799
for whatever reason so a yeah split

669
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,640
party

670
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:16,880
so the way this ties in to time is

671
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,600
how do you manage two independent

672
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,840
streams of time that are in parallel in

673
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,559
the real world

674
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:27,760
but potentially very not in parallel in

675
00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:30,559
the game world yeah what do you think is

676
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,320
the best way to reconcile those and

677
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,000
manage it at the table

678
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,520
that's really tough i've fortunately

679
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,400
never had to

680
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,520
dm

681
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,919
uh with a split party because i i worry

682
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,919
about it and i have nightmares about

683
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:45,760
about that kind of thing

684
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:47,279
um and you know from listening to

685
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,679
critical role and

686
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,720
and seeing uh other people dm and stuff

687
00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:53,279
like that

688
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,760
i feel like it is a fear of many dms a

689
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:58,559
split party because it involves a lot

690
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,520
more um thinking and keeping track of

691
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:01,440
stuff

692
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,960
than you already have to do which is

693
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,799
which is quite a lot

694
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,760
in terms of dealing with it though again

695
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:09,279
it's how the dm wants to uh use time in

696
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,120
their game like

697
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:14,720
uh you could have

698
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:16,480
set amounts of minutes or days of how

699
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,919
long tasks take

700
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,440
or we could make it even simpler than

701
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:22,400
that i feel like when i've seen other

702
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,640
people dm they say cool you've done a

703
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,919
number of things now two or three things

704
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,120
that's enough we'll move over to the

705
00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:29,360
other

706
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,799
side of the table and let you guys do

707
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,400
two or three things

708
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,000
again it's how intricate you want to be

709
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,799
with it personally i'd probably just be

710
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,480
like

711
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,440
you've done two things those tests are

712
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,360
complete

713
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,760
we'll move over to the other table on

714
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,039
the other side of the table now but what

715
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,880
about you what would you do in that

716
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:48,400
situation it's

717
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,840
a judgment call and and experience cool

718
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,679
i would say and i don't want to sound

719
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,240
like i'm up on my you know my ivory

720
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:57,120
tower casting judgment on everybody

721
00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:00,559
below but well you are the guru of

722
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:04,240
my eyes so i'm flattered thank you

723
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:07,360
i am lucky in reality that i have a good

724
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,120
intuition and sense for stoking those

725
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,720
fires so the way that

726
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:13,279
the way i'm visualizing it quite

727
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,720
dynamically in my head at the table is

728
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,320
it's basically those sitting around the

729
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,880
table opposite me of their own kind of

730
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,200
little furnaces and i can go and stoke

731
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,679
them for five to ten minutes which will

732
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,640
give them life for maybe 15 to 20

733
00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:27,039
minutes

734
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,799
and then i just bounce around

735
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,480
and i just kind of have this innate

736
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:33,039
intuition which i know is no help to

737
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,279
anybody else but you can build that as a

738
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,919
skill to say okay i've probably left joe

739
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:39,919
bloggs for a little bit and i know him

740
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:41,279
as a player and i know he's got quite

741
00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:42,640
high demands

742
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,919
so i need to kind of go back to him

743
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,360
maybe quicker than i need to go back to

744
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:47,200
somebody else who's actually quite okay

745
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,799
just to be kind of a passive participant

746
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,480
so maybe i only need to bounce to them

747
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,880
every half an hour but the other people

748
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:56,000
i can go to maybe every 10 minutes or so

749
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,919
but that's a not only a dm experience

750
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,679
but also an experience of your table

751
00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:01,600
specifically and the players are at it

752
00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:04,159
and some people are like no i'm happy to

753
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:07,039
watch forget about me we can do me

754
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:09,520
another time or in between sessions

755
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:10,960
that's okay and others are like god

756
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,559
what's happening i really need to know

757
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,799
now or i'm just going to completely

758
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,679
check out so it's that

759
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,440
that

760
00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:18,720
thought process and yeah literally for

761
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,400
me it's it's

762
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,720
a case of

763
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,679
i almost consider each

764
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,120
part each uh team

765
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:28,080
a

766
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,880
session

767
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,799
so

768
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,880
just like yourself and probably most

769
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,240
other dms there'll be an allowance for

770
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,279
actions that have a certain length of

771
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,960
time to do something so say when people

772
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,279
stayed at the tavern and a couple of

773
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,120
people went to the shop to buy some some

774
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,200
potions so maybe

775
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:48,080
that party they turn up to the shop they

776
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,159
get introduced and they ask for

777
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,679
you know how much does this cost

778
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:53,279
so in the same way that i manage an

779
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:55,760
individual session

780
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:57,360
i'll tend to manage those little

781
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,720
snippets in the same way and by that i

782
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:02,559
mean i want to cut away at an exciting

783
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,400
time yeah so when they say how much does

784
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:07,279
this cost i might say oh well the

785
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,320
shopkeeper kind of scratches his chin

786
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:12,159
looks a bit wily anyway back to the inn

787
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,000
yeah

788
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:16,559
but that that is such a

789
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,240
fantastic narrative tool

790
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:21,760
everyone has probably seen the subreddit

791
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,440
um perfectly cut screams oh yeah or like

792
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,120
to be continued meme

793
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,159
all those kind of things rely on that

794
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,600
trope of

795
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:30,480
cutting away from the action at the

796
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,120
perfect time to you like you almost

797
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,640
almost get it but you don't quite and i

798
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,559
love that kind of stuff

799
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,840
it really excites me extended like oh

800
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,440
what what was that what was that and

801
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,000
then it's really good good way of

802
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,399
building suspense and to go back to how

803
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,640
you manage it with like like a specific

804
00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:48,559
different people and stuff like knowing

805
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,320
and having that experience with your

806
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,760
players and knowing how they would react

807
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,799
to certain things

808
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,600
again

809
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:57,520
time really links into experience quite

810
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,120
quite a lot i don't know if you've done

811
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,279
a podcast on experience already i don't

812
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,720
want to step underneath we did yeah but

813
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,640
it was it was a completely different

814
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,120
take on what we're about to be talking

815
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,880
about i imagine so okay cool but maybe

816
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,399
maybe those people should listen to it

817
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,000
if they want to hear maybe maybe they

818
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:15,400
should go back and listen to that

819
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:18,729
podcast for sure

820
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,729
[Music]

821
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,919
yeah but the more time you spend with

822
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:30,240
your your people you play d and d with

823
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:32,399
the better experience you have with them

824
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,600
like the other day when me needed that

825
00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:36,399
one shot

826
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,520
and i was i was running

827
00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:42,080
i was really really impressed with how

828
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,159
well you guys as players immediately

829
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,399
pick up on something that is a bit and

830
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:47,919
just completely run with it

831
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:49,520
and i don't think when we first started

832
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:50,640
playing together that would have

833
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,559
you know it would have necessarily

834
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,399
happened but the experience and the time

835
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,640
that we spent with each other means that

836
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:59,279
we just know how we react to certain

837
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:02,559
things and how we play the game as such

838
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:04,559
and it made for a wonderful time on my

839
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,880
part at least just watching that unfold

840
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:09,279
i've seen so many memes of like d and d

841
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,919
memes of when you see your uh your

842
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:13,360
players have half an hour of uh rp and

843
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:15,200
you don't say anything at all and you're

844
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,320
just silently smiling to yourself

845
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,919
because it's exactly how you wanted it

846
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,919
to go yeah

847
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:22,000
um and yeah i do

848
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:24,080
really love that that kind of

849
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,720
you sit back as a dm you've set up a

850
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,559
situation for them and your players just

851
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,440
envelop themselves in the universe they

852
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:33,600
just have such a good time with it

853
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,360
and that definitely comes with

854
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,200
with time and effort and experience and

855
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,600
all those wonderful things that seem to

856
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,679
tie in so well together yeah i said it

857
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,000
at the time and i'll say it now i think

858
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:46,480
that all of us and especially yourself

859
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,320
considering such short notice you know

860
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,640
we all i said short notice and to come

861
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,440
out the other side with somehow a very

862
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,799
coherent everybody on the same page

863
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,399
you know all the players working

864
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:58,559
together all the characters working

865
00:29:56,399 --> 00:30:00,960
together and enabled and facilitated by

866
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:02,080
the dm considering i would say it's fair

867
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,679
to say

868
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,520
maybe only

869
00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:07,840
the theme you had in mind just the dm

870
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,600
maybe only a fraction of that was maybe

871
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,279
used by the players

872
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,960
uh yeah i mean

873
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:16,000
yeah the notes and stuff i've written up

874
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:18,799
i think this is a common dm issue is you

875
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,600
you write a lot of stuff and you expect

876
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:23,600
certain things to happen and they do not

877
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,840
happen the way that you

878
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,520
you plan out in your head and

879
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,520
time is spent on

880
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,760
a very specific thing like

881
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,600
going to look for cigars and a can of

882
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:37,440
prunes yeah yeah and and not at all like

883
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,240
looking for monsters and talking to the

884
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,720
right people to get the right

885
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,120
information to move the story forward

886
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:46,320
yeah that's definitely a horrible thing

887
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,919
when that happens here when so simon who

888
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,000
talked about happiness with me was

889
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:52,159
preparing for a one shot he was saying i

890
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,520
need your help okay fine he said i'm

891
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:55,200
planning do you think you know i've

892
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,640
planned for three combat encounters do

893
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,320
you think i need more

894
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,919
and i was like man

895
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,240
that's probably like seven sessions

896
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:02,240
worth

897
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,120
i said one one

898
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:09,840
piece of combat is probably good enough

899
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,720
yeah maybe two if the first one is very

900
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,559
trivial and that and he was like ah

901
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,399
yeah you're right and then he cast his

902
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,399
mind back to previous sessions and

903
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:20,880
previous one shots i'm sorry yeah i've

904
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:22,559
just wasted my own time there kind of

905
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,480
planning when it you know it's not

906
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,919
especially with us you know you're never

907
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,320
going to hit that three combat

908
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:30,640
encounters for in his example

909
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,760
yeah unless you like your players are

910
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,000
really

911
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,399
efficient and know exactly how things go

912
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,399
and you've made the encounters quite

913
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:40,799
easy in ways you're never going to get

914
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:42,880
three cameras done i had planned

915
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:44,880
three encounters for the one shot as

916
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,480
well i i kind of i guess i knew in the

917
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,159
back of my head that you wouldn't get

918
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,000
that far yeah

919
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:51,600
technically i had four encounters

920
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,760
planned because there was one

921
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,679
that was like a seriously unlikely thing

922
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,480
to have okay yeah back pocket kind of

923
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:58,399
thing

924
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,159
just like a little

925
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:02,159
oh you roll the natural one when you're

926
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:04,559
trying to stealth and then

927
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:07,360
i've heard of zombies appear yes yeah

928
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,559
that that kind of thing but yeah it can

929
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,480
uh

930
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:12,640
definitely never go as it's planned but

931
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,840
we've gone off topic a lot here no no i

932
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,200
like it because it's still it's i was

933
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,039
just about to say that it's still all

934
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,039
related to time right the time that

935
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:20,559
someone spends planning

936
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,480
and we've just given two really good

937
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,000
examples there of how that

938
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,320
in reality

939
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,919
rarely stacks up in terms of how long

940
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,640
the players are gonna take to get

941
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:33,840
through it yeah and i've i have a lot of

942
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,480
rubber banding in my own preparation for

943
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,080
my campaign so if it's kind of newish

944
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,799
stuff or

945
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,760
the lull between chapters

946
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,919
which

947
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,000
sounds unintuitive but i actually find

948
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:48,320
that harder to prepare because it's a

949
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,600
lot more open and a lot more you know

950
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,159
free form

951
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,000
and yeah they're just in a town or in

952
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:56,480
some place of safety and there it's a

953
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,760
lot more like oh god they could go here

954
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,519
they could go there i've got to think

955
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,480
about you know three or four different

956
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:04,640
possible avenues and that takes up a lot

957
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,480
of time to plan

958
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,960
and then the sessions

959
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,039
still go much shorter than i anticipated

960
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,240
and even now that you know that still is

961
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:16,000
the case for me every session still i'm

962
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,840
surprised at how little we get through i

963
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,840
don't think i've

964
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,919
ever had a single session where it's

965
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,880
been the other way around ever

966
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:25,519
in

967
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,080
over 50 that i've dm'd

968
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,640
probably over 60 that i've dm'd i've not

969
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,559
had one single session with the three or

970
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,559
four different parties that have gone

971
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:36,960
the other way around yeah i wonder if

972
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:38,480
there's any dms out there that have

973
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,640
actually

974
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,440
planned a whole session and the players

975
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,039
have

976
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,919
gone through all of it i don't think

977
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,279
that's

978
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:47,279
ever a thing

979
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:49,200
it just doesn't exist

980
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,760
that's the unicorn of

981
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,410
d here yeah we've found it we found the

982
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,399
unicorn perfect one shot

983
00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:57,679
[Laughter]

984
00:33:56,399 --> 00:34:00,640
and then you wake up and it was just a

985
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:01,760
dream anyway this is all the trick

986
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,480
um

987
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,159
but then like when they're in a dungeon

988
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,359
which is this cobalt dungeon there are

989
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:11,839
now i've basically had to do

990
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:13,839
no prep so i've had a lot of spare time

991
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:15,359
for quite a few weeks yeah there's you

992
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:17,520
know some encounters need to be tweaked

993
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:19,520
and there's some little bits that i can

994
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,520
wreck on in and think about the bigger

995
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,399
picture but in terms of the nitty-gritty

996
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,480
like

997
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:26,079
okay [ __ ] we're playing tomorrow ugh

998
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,599
i've got put some things together don't

999
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,000
we have to do that because the dungeon's

1000
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,800
been made it was made like six months

1001
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,639
ago

1002
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,320
yeah and you know once they finally got

1003
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,760
to it yeah it's a bit of an overhead at

1004
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,119
the start there's a bit of front loading

1005
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,800
you have to do but then once they've got

1006
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,639
to it at that time

1007
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,079
my personal time

1008
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,000
flips around

1009
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,919
completely on its head to in between

1010
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,040
prep is kind of

1011
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:51,440
small yeah is the map on tabletop yep

1012
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,079
okay is the combat have i set the tokens

1013
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,320
up yeah okay

1014
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:58,720
fine have i done the the episode intro

1015
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,960
yep cool done between like here's the

1016
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,880
npc here's his needs want some flaws

1017
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,240
here's the shop he runs okay here's the

1018
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,599
other shop that they might want to go to

1019
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,690
because it's a shopping episode here's

1020
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,880
his npc

1021
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:10,960
[Laughter]

1022
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,839
yeah those i imagine those i haven't

1023
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,599
dm'd a lot but i imagine those

1024
00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:17,599
are probably the worst to prepare for

1025
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:19,680
like the episodes where your characters

1026
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,680
are not really in combat

1027
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,520
and you have to

1028
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,280
go through rp with them have the world

1029
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,040
properly fleshed out so

1030
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,480
if they go down an alleyway and find

1031
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,280
something that you weren't expecting you

1032
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,119
can

1033
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,599
react to that in the right way but

1034
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:35,440
that's kind of um

1035
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,119
the fun of it for a lot of dms is yeah

1036
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,359
when you make that

1037
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,400
universe and you you like live it in

1038
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:41,760
your head

1039
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,400
you can react to anything that happens

1040
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:47,040
in it really yeah yeah for sure yeah i'd

1041
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,599
say that i'm definitely very much a

1042
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,720
i do a lot of improvising when i'm dming

1043
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,640
and

1044
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,480
i in life i'd say i do that as quite a

1045
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,160
lot

1046
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,920
because i don't i don't prepare as much

1047
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,920
as i should do for a lot of stuff and

1048
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,839
including when i'm dming and i feel like

1049
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,960
i've gotten quite good at just

1050
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:04,960
improvising

1051
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,119
situations and coming up with stuff on

1052
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,839
the spot and i find

1053
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:11,280
that a lot more fun than doing loads and

1054
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:12,800
loads and loads of prep and having

1055
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,880
absolutely every situation planned out

1056
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,800
and perfect yeah and just seeing what

1057
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,359
happens naturally and what naturally

1058
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,119
kind of organically yeah it's created by

1059
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:21,920
you and your players i find that much

1060
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,680
more

1061
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,839
interesting than over planning what's

1062
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,880
going to happen for sure yeah likewise

1063
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:29,280
and i think

1064
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,599
doing a lot of that kind of prep up

1065
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,240
front spending a lot of time to do it

1066
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,599
can be a bit of a crutch for me at least

1067
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,680
in terms of

1068
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:40,640
uh well i know

1069
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,200
how i want this npc to react

1070
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,839
and you can't help but let that bias you

1071
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,440
as a dm a little bit to be like maybe

1072
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:49,040
slightly more of a bastard to the

1073
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,160
players because

1074
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:55,440
you've got like quite a hard

1075
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,200
theme in your head whereas if it's a

1076
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,920
kind of aloof

1077
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,839
dad's army shopkeeper that you've just

1078
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,760
magicked up out of thin air

1079
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:05,920
yeah and you're ju it's literally just

1080
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,920
bouncing between improvisation and

1081
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,200
improvisation between yourself and a

1082
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,640
couple of the players

1083
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,000
then i think there's

1084
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,760
because you don't have that crutch to

1085
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,400
stand on you've got a lot more

1086
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,680
freedom to be like okay actually he's

1087
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,280
going to do

1088
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,000
this this time

1089
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,240
but

1090
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,400
on the on the flip side of that some

1091
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,680
characters you you really need to have

1092
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,480
that prep in

1093
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,480
some things require a detailed

1094
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,040
background like something

1095
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,119
super crazy that you've prepared

1096
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,680
just so when the players do spend the

1097
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:39,520
time kind of discovering all that it's

1098
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,760
super rewarding for them because you've

1099
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,760
clearly put in the time for that yes so

1100
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,680
yeah again like we've discussed

1101
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,400
previously it's balanced as all things

1102
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,400
should be you know

1103
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,560
so um i saw a

1104
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,160
post on twitter a little while ago that

1105
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,359
posed the question of

1106
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,040
how can you play a young wizard the

1107
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:03,359
point being is that

1108
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:06,400
the nature of the class implies that

1109
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:09,119
they're learned academic and

1110
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,640
in a lot not all but a lot of the

1111
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,040
artwork and

1112
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,560
certainly in earlier editions you know

1113
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,040
in first and second ed when it was

1114
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,520
literally just like fighter wizard

1115
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,480
cleric and rogue yeah uh the wizard was

1116
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:25,359
always like gandalf yeah i'm old and

1117
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,119
frail and but have experience yeah but

1118
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:28,079
that's why i'm all wizards so what do

1119
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,560
you what do you think about that like

1120
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,880
how would you play a young wizard how

1121
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,040
would you you know how is that possible

1122
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,480
um is it possible

1123
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,079
the first thing that popped into my head

1124
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,480
as soon as you said young wizard was

1125
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:43,040
have you ever read terry pratchett books

1126
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,160
uh no can't say i have so he wrote a ton

1127
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,079
of books like a series um the university

1128
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,480
created called disc world novels yep

1129
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:52,720
familiar with the yeah university and

1130
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,599
like there's one that is around it's

1131
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:58,800
called equal rights and it's around the

1132
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:01,760
very first uh female wizard and it's

1133
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,760
such a a crazy thing in in the world but

1134
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,680
they have like in that um

1135
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,960
universe there's a wizard college which

1136
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,280
they go to

1137
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,440
uh and there's a really funny uh young

1138
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,079
wizard who is incredibly naturally

1139
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,000
talented and and knows and reads loads

1140
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:18,160
of books and has all this knowledge and

1141
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,000
has so much power but is like a bit

1142
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,599
clumsy with it and doesn't quite know

1143
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,119
how to control it and

1144
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,040
i definitely take

1145
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,119
a lot of inspiration from that if i was

1146
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,480
playing a very young wizard because

1147
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,400
without the experience to kind of

1148
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,440
control very powerful magic you would

1149
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,920
probably

1150
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,720
mess up quite a lot with that i imagine

1151
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,000
yeah so i don't i think i'd like to

1152
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,359
have it if i was playing it very young

1153
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,440
wizard have a chat with the dm and be

1154
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:43,920
like look this is how i wanted to play

1155
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,640
him can you maybe

1156
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,359
take from like wild wild magic stuff and

1157
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,040
yeah

1158
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:51,440
maybe roll every time i do a spell to

1159
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,280
see if it goes correctly or whatever or

1160
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,440
have a little bit of fun that way

1161
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,160
just to kind of impound the

1162
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,079
lack of experience yeah that this wizard

1163
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,560
may have yeah that's one kind of take i

1164
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:04,720
put on it yeah i sometimes i find it odd

1165
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,319
that that question's posed when

1166
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,319
especially now with the release attaches

1167
00:40:06,319 --> 00:40:10,720
you can pretty much

1168
00:40:08,319 --> 00:40:12,960
have any race be any class yeah and and

1169
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:15,040
still be very effective

1170
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,200
and people are still asking well how can

1171
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,119
you how can you have a young wizard when

1172
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,880
they're meant to be very

1173
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:23,359
learned and they say well

1174
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,359
you can have whatever the hell you want

1175
00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:27,680
be constrained just because

1176
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:30,000
it says you've got to be learned learn

1177
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:33,359
it yeah you know just just do whatever

1178
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,359
you want i always design a character

1179
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:37,599
like form and function in unison so

1180
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:40,079
class and backstory and race for that

1181
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:42,800
matter in unison and

1182
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:44,240
i try to never let one preclude the

1183
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,240
other so

1184
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,880
as we know from from quinn from dungeons

1185
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:51,760
to dyson dudes he is very much not

1186
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,480
some 80 year old kind of frail he's just

1187
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,839
a

1188
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
it's just a dude

1189
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:57,760
yeah it's just a dude in a dungeon with

1190
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,760
some dice

1191
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,680
speaking of which if you want to follow

1192
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,400
uh

1193
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,400
then

1194
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,319
do it on instagram and follow us there

1195
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,200
now well you sound like a social media

1196
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:10,800
manager for these guys is that

1197
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,280
funny you'd say that that's definitely

1198
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,839
what i am yeah

1199
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,400
so yeah like it's an interesting class

1200
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:21,359
to talk about because none of the others

1201
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,800
i mean it's it's weird it's it's both

1202
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:24,480
none and all of them so you could level

1203
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,560
the same argument at say clerics and

1204
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,160
paladins and say well surely they have

1205
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,160
to devote their life to a religion

1206
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,200
before they can start to gain

1207
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,440
these benefits yeah and like you know

1208
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,000
any skill takes time to learn so why are

1209
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,480
there a shitload of like 18 year old emo

1210
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,079
rogues when

1211
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,440
doing sneak attack isn't just something

1212
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,359
you just learn

1213
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,440
like oliver twist

1214
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:49,200
like he hit to learn

1215
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,640
yeah that's true so it's the same way

1216
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,400
with everybody just you know while they

1217
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,010
were studying the blade i studied the

1218
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,040
book

1219
00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:57,119
[Laughter]

1220
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,040
that's definitely true and it ties into

1221
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,800
experience obviously but

1222
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,040
in in real life there are

1223
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,240
tons of people who have crazy natural

1224
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,400
ability just

1225
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,800
amazing dances or amazing a particular

1226
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,800
sport that kind of thing so i you could

1227
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,720
definitely make the argument that your

1228
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,880
character in deity is just naturally

1229
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:17,200
very talented

1230
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,400
all that time on learning his craft as

1231
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,800
such

1232
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,240
i agree in that there's people that have

1233
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,760
you know some people are better at some

1234
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,440
things than others that's just life

1235
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,359
right that's just a nature nurture the

1236
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,000
whole thing put together so and in the

1237
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:31,920
same way the dnd universe is the same

1238
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,200
and i think that for most characters

1239
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,760
it's they have an intuition for playing

1240
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,040
music and drawing the weave out of the

1241
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,800
universe

1242
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,400
you know you're a bad casual great at

1243
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,560
the university yeah as you do once you

1244
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,560
do

1245
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,040
but what you know i thought i had is

1246
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,680
that it'd actually be a really cool

1247
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,960
character to play to be one who who

1248
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,839
hasn't and he's maybe like a fighter

1249
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,760
but

1250
00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:01,200
he's had to really train

1251
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,480
like super hard to be a fighter for like

1252
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,800
60 years

1253
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,599
and even at 60 years old he's only level

1254
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,000
one

1255
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,599
whereas you know if you juxtapose him

1256
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,440
next to a

1257
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,440
you know charlotte and street urchin

1258
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,400
who's literally just got by on

1259
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,079
luck

1260
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,760
he tripped and his knife fell out of his

1261
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:19,839
pocket and it stabbed somebody he was

1262
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,079
mugging him oh well fine i'm now rich

1263
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:23,920
and can you know this that and the other

1264
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,839
that would be a really good

1265
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,680
friction there between the two

1266
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:30,880
characters to be like

1267
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,560
you are a bastard and i hate you because

1268
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,720
you're just naturally good at this and i

1269
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,359
had to spend my whole [ __ ] life like

1270
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:38,480
dedicated my life to training and that's

1271
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:40,880
that's you know really good character

1272
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,240
idea there to be like no not the book

1273
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,920
but you know some people don't like

1274
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,359
maths or aren't very good at maths and

1275
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,560
they have to work really really really

1276
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,440
hard

1277
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,760
at

1278
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,680
maths to even come out the other side as

1279
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,520
much as some people are just like i can

1280
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,359
just i can just see the numbers move on

1281
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,119
the page and they turn into the answer

1282
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:58,400
and it just makes sense to me i hate

1283
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:00,400
people like that

1284
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,000
yeah tell me about it uh yeah but

1285
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,560
everyone comes out with a b in gcse

1286
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,480
maths right so it's

1287
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,240
so that'll be really interesting i think

1288
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,720
to have you could you could juxtapose

1289
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:12,640
like a really old wizard next to a

1290
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,319
really young prodigy

1291
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,079
he's just like i don't know i just wait

1292
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:18,079
for my wand and read some words and like

1293
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:20,079
fire comes out it's pretty cool that's

1294
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:21,760
it that's that's our role in it yeah

1295
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:24,400
next to someone he's like no you have to

1296
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,000
train and

1297
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,800
it's not fair

1298
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,800
yeah exploring that difference

1299
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,119
would have would be very fun rpg that

1300
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,240
for sure having two characters bounce

1301
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,640
off each other

1302
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:38,400
basically arguing about what the right

1303
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,720
way to do something is yeah you've got

1304
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,000
pre-baked character arcs in both of them

1305
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,440
then and then they can both you know

1306
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,040
meet in the middle and the young person

1307
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,040
could be like no i've got to respect my

1308
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,040
elders and the young the older person

1309
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,800
can be like hey no he's naturally

1310
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,680
talented and i shouldn't be bitter about

1311
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,920
his success and yeah you've got you know

1312
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,160
a lovely two character arc story there

1313
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,079
pre-baked oh yeah for sure and then you

1314
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,359
could leave it on such a wholesome note

1315
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,880
like it's fine

1316
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:06,560
everybody's different and that's okay

1317
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,640
you're like a sunday you were a brother

1318
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,079
to me

1319
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,319
you're my brother

1320
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:14,640
sorry i can't help that yeah well i set

1321
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:14,640
you up

1322
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,480
any chance i have to coach star wars i

1323
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,560
probably will say hey i'm fresh off the

1324
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,359
back of episode one the other day so um

1325
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,640
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah a little treat a

1326
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:26,640
little treat going back in time

1327
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,000
so

1328
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,760
talking about another thing that you

1329
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,079
know takes time

1330
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,839
in game if we if we if we talk about

1331
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:38,079
something mechanically now and then

1332
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:39,359
we'll loop back around to maybe a

1333
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:41,760
a higher level

1334
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:44,160
it's a thing i was going to about rests

1335
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,960
and we mentioned them briefly earlier on

1336
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,160
but

1337
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,160
we talk about a little bit more detail

1338
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,839
now so the alternative rules i'm not

1339
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,240
sure if you're aware that the dungeon

1340
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:54,079
master guide provides alternative rules

1341
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,560
for i think it's literally called gritty

1342
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:58,880
realism for rests i know they've come

1343
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,720
across this before yep so the standard

1344
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,560
rest is you know short rest is one hour

1345
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,160
and a long rest is eight hours and

1346
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,200
basically you could be

1347
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,960
you know basically have all your

1348
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,480
arteries severed but as long as you go

1349
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,880
to bed and have a dinner you'll wake up

1350
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,119
and you'll be good to go which you can

1351
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,440
brush away under the well they're an

1352
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:18,480
adventurer and they're kind of got some

1353
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,079
magic in them that kind of helps them

1354
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,160
so they're they're also gritty realism

1355
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,839
are they basically crank it up so a

1356
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,720
short rest is essentially the same as a

1357
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:28,800
long rest so a short rest is eight hours

1358
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:30,640
and the long rest is i think a week

1359
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,119
oh wow which makes a lot more sense in

1360
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,839
terms of okay yeah i've gotta

1361
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:39,599
sit in casts for seven days and have a

1362
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:41,920
splint put in and be on iv because yeah

1363
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,520
have my hoons properly dressed and yeah

1364
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,880
yeah fighting a beholder broke every

1365
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,680
bone in my body and i can't just sleep

1366
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,000
that off

1367
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,240
[Laughter]

1368
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,079
yeah that is proper realism that yeah

1369
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,280
yeah so i don't know like

1370
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,040
what are your thoughts about that and

1371
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,720
how it impacts the time and the

1372
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:00,400
resources and how it will change the

1373
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:02,480
how the players are going to play i

1374
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,040
suppose their characters

1375
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,680
yeah i guess it's kind of again what you

1376
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,440
want your players to experience

1377
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,480
if they are really into like the

1378
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,560
survival part of playing d d and and and

1379
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,319
the mechanics and stuff and making sure

1380
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,599
that they bandage each wound and they

1381
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:18,960
have to think about if they've been

1382
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,720
stabbed and how that's going to affect

1383
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,559
like their organs and stuff like that

1384
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,319
and getting really really nitty gritty

1385
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,920
into how they would heal over time

1386
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:27,839
making sure they have the right potions

1387
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,839
and spells and stuff and they find a lot

1388
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:31,760
of joy out of that then

1389
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:34,640
yeah 100 i would

1390
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,160
go ham on realism and it's why like a

1391
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,400
lot of um

1392
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,839
like really famous rpg games have like a

1393
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,359
hardcore mode

1394
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:43,440
fallout definitely has like a hardcore

1395
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:45,280
mode where you have to think about

1396
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,680
making sure you eat regularly and have

1397
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,240
enough water and all of the things that

1398
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,000
you pick up have like proper weights and

1399
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,880
you have to constantly be thinking about

1400
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,480
that

1401
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,040
and if you're really into that kind of

1402
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,520
stuff it can make the game be super

1403
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,200
engaging and realistic and you get a lot

1404
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,960
of fun out of it but at the same time if

1405
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,800
you're not into that

1406
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,599
then maybe that would be the worst thing

1407
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,520
in the world having to constantly

1408
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:11,839
be thinking about

1409
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,640
going into combat and worrying about oh

1410
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:17,440
i'm quite a small human that means i can

1411
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,599
get damaged quite easily and

1412
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,839
having to be really cautious and careful

1413
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:23,440
and overthink literally every encounter

1414
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:25,040
that you have with somebody in case it

1415
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,000
goes wrong and you have to fix it in

1416
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,839
some way so like i keep saying in this

1417
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,160
podcast it seems uh having a good

1418
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:33,200
balance would probably be preferable

1419
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,280
nathan

1420
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,880
in our campaign

1421
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,160
i think he's gone for a bit of realism

1422
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,079
and when we

1423
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,839
when we go down or our unconscious

1424
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:44,319
enjoying combat

1425
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:46,240
if we are brought back afterwards

1426
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:49,040
there is a consequence that we're not

1427
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:52,000
just fine afterwards we have like either

1428
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:54,400
some visible damage on us or we have

1429
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,800
some kind of uh disadvantage for

1430
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,280
a long period of time because we're

1431
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,079
perhaps not at full strength yeah like i

1432
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,920
was getting very frustrated as ulric

1433
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:05,920
when he uh oh

1434
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,600
should i say spoilers i don't know yeah

1435
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,650
spoilers he dies

1436
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,650
[Music]

1437
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,720
no stop it

1438
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,800
and then that has a knock-on effect when

1439
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,119
he's brought back especially in the

1440
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,599
manner that he's brought back like for a

1441
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,880
long period of time he's has levels of

1442
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,640
exhaustion

1443
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,640
and that doesn't go straight away just

1444
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,200
after having a long rest yeah just

1445
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,800
eating like nathan definitely imposed

1446
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,280
quite a lot of disadvantage on me

1447
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,240
because of that and yes it's frustrating

1448
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,640
but it makes sense and it makes

1449
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,480
every encounter i went into

1450
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,720
i had to think more about it and had to

1451
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,079
kind of plan a bit more um as as a

1452
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,359
player not the character my character

1453
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,760
would never plan anything in his life

1454
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:52,240
but um

1455
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,960
it was it definitely brought like a new

1456
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:56,640
level of gameplay for me which was a lot

1457
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,640
of fun so like things like that can

1458
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,920
definitely improve your players

1459
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,079
experience but

1460
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,760
yeah i guess that does that make sense

1461
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,200
yeah and it's

1462
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,880
it's something that we talked about with

1463
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,200
jamie briefly in the mistakes episode

1464
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,720
about there being punishments for dying

1465
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,119
which is the biggest mistake you can

1466
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:15,040
make yeah i think the the balance is

1467
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:17,119
probably somewhere in between

1468
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:20,000
the gritty realism and

1469
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,280
having debuffs for going down

1470
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,440
yeah and

1471
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,960
it's something that my players have

1472
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,119
not taken for granted but a a bit

1473
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,559
lackadaisical about being knocked down

1474
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:33,040
to zero

1475
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:34,640
hp they're fairly confident that someone

1476
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,839
will get them up and i probably need to

1477
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,079
impose

1478
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:40,160
a bit more on that

1479
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:42,800
yeah just to really be like yeah okay

1480
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,640
although there's a a fifty point five

1481
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,119
percent chance that

1482
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,760
you might be okay in four hours

1483
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,000
there's also a 49.5 percent chance that

1484
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,839
you'll be dead forever so yeah

1485
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,240
uh yeah you know there's there's got to

1486
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:57,920
be a cost there and not only is it time

1487
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,760
because if you're left to stabilize

1488
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,640
yourself you get up in maybe one to four

1489
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,960
hours

1490
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,079
or two to two to five hours i think is

1491
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,359
that is that yeah

1492
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,200
yeah if you're

1493
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:08,960
basically stabilized

1494
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,440
so not healed

1495
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,599
you roll a d4 and it's a d4 plus one and

1496
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,280
that's when you regain consciousness

1497
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,800
right just just by naturally you've been

1498
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,559
knocked out for that length of time and

1499
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,200
constitution brings it back yeah you get

1500
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:23,599
one hp at the end of that time that's

1501
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,240
rules is written cool versus like no you

1502
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:27,040
can be dead forever so there's

1503
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,359
yeah

1504
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,839
they've probably been a little bit

1505
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:33,760
chill about that

1506
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:35,839
yeah and i need to

1507
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,839
maybe reinforce a little bit of yeah

1508
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:40,559
okay it's it's a stupid goofy world

1509
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:43,920
sometimes and there's a grogs and a

1510
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,920
dwarf box coffee and but if you die you

1511
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,800
die if you die you die

1512
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,800
if you die you

1513
00:51:48,839 --> 00:51:53,760
die and then talking of rests and you

1514
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,200
know the alternative rules arrests

1515
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,800
there's there's some other thoughts and

1516
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,720
i'd like to get your idea on of

1517
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,480
people have said before that

1518
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,839
like leveling up

1519
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,760
shouldn't be

1520
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:08,960
instant so basically there's two the two

1521
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:11,920
kind of extremes are xp based

1522
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,720
and literally the moment you ding

1523
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,200
you level up then and there and you get

1524
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,760
a second wind and your health comes back

1525
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,920
and you can turn the tide to combat

1526
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,880
and everybody's happy versus people that

1527
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,119
are like no it's milestone based when

1528
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,599
the characters have learned enough in

1529
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:32,079
universe and have shown to apply that

1530
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:33,920
knowledge then in here's the here's the

1531
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,000
meat is that they need to you can't just

1532
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,160
like level up instantly or even over a

1533
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,319
long rest they need to spend some time

1534
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:44,160
basically like writing up notes or

1535
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:46,720
practicing moves or studying your books

1536
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:50,640
yeah which i'm i kind of like

1537
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,240
yeah as a as a as an idea i haven't put

1538
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,400
it into practice it's probably a bit too

1539
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,400
late to impose that now on my players

1540
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,599
but i'd like to maybe try it some time

1541
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,599
to in a longer campaign to say

1542
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:03,920
you know you're now ready to level up

1543
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:06,960
when you get a chance to do so

1544
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,319
oh that's really really tough because

1545
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,319
going back to the very beginning of this

1546
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:12,640
podcast we were talking about how

1547
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:15,119
over time things change

1548
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,119
like that makes so much sense for your

1549
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,839
leveling up process to be

1550
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:21,119
a process not not an instantaneous thing

1551
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:23,599
and you just go through and change it

1552
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:25,680
all you learn with experience and time

1553
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,559
and effort and then you have these new

1554
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,160
skills

1555
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:32,400
personally

1556
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,720
i don't think i'd like that very much

1557
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,839
in theory it sounds really good and it

1558
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,800
sounds like it would be quite an

1559
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:39,280
interesting

1560
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:42,000
way of developing your character

1561
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,599
but at the same time i play a lot of rpg

1562
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,040
games for

1563
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,800
the leveling

1564
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,720
that's like the like instant bit of

1565
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,880
serotonin that you enjoy when you level

1566
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:52,880
up and it's so exciting

1567
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,319
and having to then go through on dnd

1568
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,559
beyond and

1569
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:59,040
change all of your uh your stats and

1570
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:01,680
enroll your or your hp and figure out

1571
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,000
what if you want to asi or if you want a

1572
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,800
fee take a fee that for me doing all

1573
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:09,680
that in in one kind of session is really

1574
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:12,160
fun i enjoy that kind of process but

1575
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,480
again taking the time to

1576
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,800
put rp into

1577
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,480
say you spend time

1578
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,640
with like a

1579
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,040
a master of the craft to learn this

1580
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,040
particular kind of feat and you go for

1581
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,559
like a process with them that would be

1582
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,079
interesting as well

1583
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,760
so yeah that's a real tough question

1584
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:31,920
because me as it put me as a person

1585
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,280
means a player of the game

1586
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,680
get a lot of joy out of the leveling

1587
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:38,960
process but as like a

1588
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,960
thinking critically about it oh nice

1589
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,130
i'll then mow you the 10 pounds after

1590
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,079
that

1591
00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:46,640
[Laughter]

1592
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,640
thanks man

1593
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:52,079
as like a intellectual exercise that is

1594
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:54,400
really interesting and i think it would

1595
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:56,240
be very enjoyable process as well so

1596
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,480
that's really tough i i'm not quite sure

1597
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,480
where i'd stand

1598
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,839
on that kind of loving process

1599
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:07,200
oh yeah hit me with a doozy at the end

1600
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:08,400
yeah yeah it's awkward like i

1601
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,920
you're trying to have your cake and eat

1602
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,599
it with your instant leveling up but

1603
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,119
also your you know the more you put in

1604
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:15,200
the more you get out kind of thing so i

1605
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:17,680
can see why you're now in you know

1606
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,119
internal conflict i'm in the dilemma

1607
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,119
yeah uh

1608
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:24,000
it's tricky i think a lot

1609
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,760
of people will probably play it as a

1610
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,960
game and so therefore you know the level

1611
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,319
ups are

1612
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:32,240
about as concrete you can get as to say

1613
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:34,640
you know positive feedback to say we're

1614
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:36,559
doing things that are right and

1615
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,960
good and well

1616
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:41,599
and i've now been rewarded for that by

1617
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,440
having more hp and so on and so on

1618
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:45,280
i don't know it's i i think it's a good

1619
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,559
idea on paper

1620
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,400
yeah i think

1621
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:50,960
implementing it in practice might be

1622
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,559
very difficult to do well

1623
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,480
because

1624
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,760
i imagine it's a piece of cake

1625
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,440
especially if you used to do it six

1626
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,400
seven eight times

1627
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,640
and that's

1628
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,400
you know for a decent length campaign

1629
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,040
but even that might not be enough

1630
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,520
but have this okay my four players each

1631
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,559
one of you we now have to role play a

1632
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,079
week

1633
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:12,079
it's worth of stuff

1634
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:13,839
and i could just see that very easily

1635
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,119
being like okay what a week passes and

1636
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:16,880
you level up

1637
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:19,920
and now it's mechanically no different

1638
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,680
to just leveling up overnight anyway so

1639
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,079
apart from you've just made them lose a

1640
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,760
week well that almost seems like you're

1641
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:28,000
you're bringing in this rule

1642
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:31,280
just to make them waste time at that

1643
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,359
point yeah which is really really tricky

1644
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,920
i think if

1645
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:38,960
for example like a lot of people do

1646
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,319
uh play d d for a podcast and for

1647
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,520
entertainment purposes that kind of

1648
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:43,200
thing yeah

1649
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,920
and and to play obviously

1650
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,720
as well if if your campaign is

1651
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,720
more around the entertainment value and

1652
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:53,520
the enjoyment of the story

1653
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:55,440
then that that would make more sense for

1654
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,200
your your campaign as such because you

1655
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,440
could spend a lot of time with those

1656
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:02,160
characters and and build in like a

1657
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,079
montage process if you like of of how

1658
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,680
they would level up and yeah do that

1659
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:08,240
kind of uh serious thing and that would

1660
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,640
be quite cool as like a concept but if

1661
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:13,280
if you're playing the game for enjoyment

1662
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,839
purposes as well um yeah you'd have to

1663
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,680
be so careful to not make it just

1664
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:20,640
almost like a punishment yeah for

1665
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,799
leveling up and using that extra time to

1666
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,480
to like develop the character in that

1667
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:28,160
that manner oh yeah that's really

1668
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,599
really hard that but it really

1669
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,760
interesting to explore i mean you have

1670
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:33,839
to try it wouldn't you yeah try it and

1671
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,799
see how it goes you definitely need the

1672
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:39,200
players who are on board with

1673
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:40,640
kind of heavy-ish role-play

1674
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,160
to fill that gap because i've got

1675
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,079
players that would just go

1676
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,799
i just do nothing for a week can we move

1677
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:48,079
on yeah which is fine but then you've

1678
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:50,960
why would you bother implementing it

1679
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:54,000
then yeah for sure so

1680
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:56,160
you started with this episode of saying

1681
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,440
basically time is this

1682
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,920
thing that

1683
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,680
no one really knows and

1684
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,599
there's a human construct almost in a

1685
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,000
way i mean it is but it isn't but you

1686
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:07,280
know it's one of those tricky

1687
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,400
things of

1688
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,079
trying to nail jelly to the wall yeah

1689
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,280
yeah that's good analogy

1690
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:15,200
i don't think i made that up i think

1691
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,480
i've heard that somewhere else yeah just

1692
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,240
for the record

1693
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,480
um

1694
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:24,000
and it's that

1695
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,760
duality of it is but you know ultimately

1696
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,480
we're all still spending our time

1697
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,480
playing the game and one thing we spoke

1698
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,559
about with simon was

1699
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:35,520
that you know we play it to have fun and

1700
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:37,680
it's a happy time and we enjoy it so

1701
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,760
it's a really nice bridge to say

1702
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,920
you know spend that time

1703
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,760
in a worthwhile endeavor that you enjoy

1704
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,920
and i guess what i'm trying to

1705
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,520
look back around to is what simon said

1706
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,280
is that if you're not having fun then

1707
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,119
don't waste your time doing it

1708
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,799
uh yeah

1709
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:55,599
a hundred percent

1710
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:57,359
it sounds dumb right but the amount of

1711
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:59,040
people that don't do that i think you

1712
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:01,760
might be surprised

1713
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,680
yeah you can very easily

1714
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,440
know if you're wasting time on an

1715
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,680
element of dnd if

1716
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,960
you find yourself getting distracted by

1717
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:12,720
it or not engaging fully with it

1718
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,520
and if if it

1719
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,799
disengages you or your players from what

1720
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,880
you're doing

1721
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:19,760
then it's not worth your time it's a

1722
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,359
very

1723
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,119
easy little uh

1724
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:25,520
key for

1725
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:28,079
if a concept or if if something you want

1726
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,440
to do in a in a game should work or not

1727
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:31,440
if people are engaged by it people want

1728
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,559
to actually try it then 100 but if as

1729
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,640
soon as you

1730
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:36,480
feel yourself getting bored by it and

1731
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,599
not thinking and not focusing properly

1732
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,720
on it then

1733
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,079
you know it's probably not worth your

1734
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,400
time

1735
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:44,839
and um obviously as as we mentioned

1736
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:47,359
earlier on like time is this kind of

1737
00:59:44,839 --> 00:59:49,200
entropic force

1738
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:50,960
yeah in the universe

1739
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,559
i think the two are intrinsically linked

1740
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,760
to say you can't have one without the

1741
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:58,240
other one and as as time goes on things

1742
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,520
degrade and and so on and so on yeah i

1743
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,160
don't know if you can put it in a more

1744
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:05,440
elegant way than myself how how to

1745
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,720
employ that kind of mentality in a dnd

1746
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,319
game

1747
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,720
well the best way i can describe it is

1748
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:12,640
like as a story based thing like

1749
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,880
there's so many

1750
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,400
philosophers and and people who say deep

1751
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,119
things

1752
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:22,000
that talk about the times journey and

1753
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:24,240
how life and things are a journey and

1754
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,799
the journey that you go on is what's

1755
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,480
important that perspective that you you

1756
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:30,960
see things change

1757
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,559
and the actual being in the moment of

1758
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,480
what's going around you is what's

1759
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:36,400
important and our perception of that is

1760
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,000
what's important at the end of the day

1761
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,079
we can talk about

1762
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:43,920
time as this crazy construct and the

1763
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:45,520
mechanics of time in in d and d but it's

1764
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,839
how i perceive that how we have fun with

1765
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,280
it and what we do with like these cool

1766
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:51,040
concepts and stuff

1767
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,119
that is the double part

1768
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,040
and i think

1769
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:57,440
that that's what you should really focus

1770
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,400
on uh more than anything else is that

1771
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,319
kind of

1772
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,480
element of what do i need to spend my

1773
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:03,280
time on what shouldn't i spend my time

1774
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,880
on

1775
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,319
and what's fun

1776
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,079
i guess

1777
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:09,119
yeah i don't know if that made sense or

1778
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,319
not but

1779
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,640
you're speaking from the heart which is

1780
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:14,240
what matters

1781
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,160
that's why i always do that's what i

1782
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,040
always do

1783
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,319
i've

1784
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,920
i

1785
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:21,760
got very excited myself building this

1786
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,760
campaign actually made a

1787
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,319
calendar

1788
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,920
to track the time nice uh which is

1789
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:30,480
stupid because that was a waste of time

1790
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,920
ironically because it's way simpler just

1791
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,079
to use

1792
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,000
like the gregorian calendar that

1793
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:39,040
everybody's familiar with but did you

1794
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,119
enjoy spending your time doing that yeah

1795
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,119
yeah well then then it's not wasted

1796
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,799
because that enjoyment you got from

1797
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:46,720
spending the time creating that element

1798
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:49,359
of your campaign

1799
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:51,760
is time well spent for me i'd say

1800
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:53,599
even if your characters don't use it

1801
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,760
the enjoyment that you got out of it is

1802
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:59,440
is also important

1803
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,440
that's nice you've reassured me

1804
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:04,079
yeah i must admit i had you know

1805
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,680
named all the months and different days

1806
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,760
in the week and this that and the other

1807
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,280
but i mean that's pretty impressive

1808
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,799
here's what i'm trying to get at is that

1809
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,960
like

1810
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:14,640
in game despite us playing the campaign

1811
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:17,119
now for two years

1812
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,720
in game it's only been about 30 days

1813
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:20,240
wow so it's it's

1814
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,319
and that's when i when i started

1815
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,440
tracking that and i was about halfway

1816
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:25,119
through and i said let me try and

1817
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,559
transcribe these onto my calendar so i

1818
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,400
can see

1819
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:30,480
how far through the year they are i was

1820
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,680
like oh no still summer

1821
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,760
so

1822
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:36,240
okay

1823
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:39,200
fine i think they're about to go into my

1824
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,119
equivalent of autumn essentially uh

1825
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:44,880
harvests pride which has probably been

1826
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:46,799
used everywhere else but um uh yeah so i

1827
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,920
do use that as a tool to say like what

1828
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:52,000
the weather's like yeah rather than just

1829
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,000
it's just a day it's just a summer's day

1830
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,920
so that's that's uh

1831
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,119
oh i wanted to end it on a high note and

1832
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,440
unfortunately i brought it all the way

1833
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:02,440
back down to literally calendar dates on

1834
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,440
a

1835
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,280
some of the best rpg games that i've

1836
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:11,280
played like skyrim and stuff they have

1837
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:14,319
their own calendar and it is part of the

1838
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:17,359
law and is part of the richness of the

1839
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:19,839
the universe has created some of the

1840
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:22,240
most awesome kind of universes that were

1841
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:23,200
ever created for stories

1842
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,440
have

1843
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:28,319
a ton of law like have languages that

1844
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,799
are like purposely made for

1845
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:32,400
those stories like lord of the rings

1846
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:35,359
like star wars

1847
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,680
star trek all the stuff that real nerds

1848
01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:40,400
love so much this you can even warhammer

1849
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,319
40k i know that it's a sort subject here

1850
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,400
but

1851
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:47,359
there are like channels and and people

1852
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,799
dedicated to the the nitty-gritty law of

1853
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:49,920
those universes that have been created

1854
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:52,960
by people

1855
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,880
so it's never wasted when you go real

1856
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,880
deep into creating something like that

1857
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,880
and spending the time on that because

1858
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:01,599
someone's out there will really enjoy

1859
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:03,680
that part of your creation yeah which is

1860
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,520
why i said before if you enjoyed doing

1861
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,119
that part of it someone else is going to

1862
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,039
enjoy that as well it doesn't

1863
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:10,880
necessarily mean that

1864
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:11,760
it's used all the time in your campaign

1865
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,160
but

1866
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,599
someone will appreciate it for sure um

1867
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,440
thank you for those

1868
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,680
that nice thoughtful

1869
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,200
words at the end there

1870
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,400
funnily enough as we're

1871
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,640
getting to the end of our time for this

1872
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,319
episode is there anything you wanted to

1873
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,640
add is there any topics we didn't cover

1874
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:32,720
that you wanted to talk about um no not

1875
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:35,280
really i feel like we uh

1876
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,079
covered a lot of interesting stuff there

1877
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,160
and

1878
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:42,400
as rightly so with the discussion

1879
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,319
podcast we went off on wild tangents

1880
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,960
yeah we really really dipped and peeked

1881
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:48,480
and troughed in like

1882
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,680
moment-to-moment combat all the way up

1883
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,640
to

1884
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,559
you know

1885
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,960
what just dive yes

1886
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:54,960
what am

1887
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:03,680
uh well okay is there anything you want

1888
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:06,079
to plug then uh well i'm sure it's been

1889
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,760
plugged on this podcast a couple times

1890
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:10,799
already but it can't hurt to do it a few

1891
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,880
more times yeah me and nila are part of

1892
01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:14,640
dungeons dyson dudes which is

1893
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,000
our playthrough

1894
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,559
campaign of dnd that we've been doing

1895
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,559
now for

1896
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:24,720
like a year or so before my time yeah

1897
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:25,599
you you joined um like a few sessions in

1898
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,440
i think

1899
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:29,920
a very welcome addition might i add oh

1900
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,839
thank you um

1901
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,720
yeah we have a lot of fun the characters

1902
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:35,280
are

1903
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,599
pretty mental here and there but um

1904
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,280
yeah if you like d d and you've liked us

1905
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:42,079
talking about d d and want to hear some

1906
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,799
people play d d then you can find uh us

1907
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:47,039
on instagram or twitter instagram is uh

1908
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:49,599
dungeons dyson dudes twitter is just

1909
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:51,119
dudes underscore dice and on those

1910
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:53,039
social medias you can find links to

1911
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,880
where you can listen to us and uh yeah

1912
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:57,599
we've got like

1913
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:59,680
six episodes out already and we'll have

1914
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:01,359
a few more coming out in the future yep

1915
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,119
if you want to hear about a young

1916
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:04,960
arrogant wizard you can listen to me

1917
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:07,599
play one

1918
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,920
in in quinn's boots yeah that ties in

1919
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:12,319
nicely yeah yeah and this uh this

1920
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,839
episode of my podcast is scheduled for

1921
01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:16,079
actually new year's day

1922
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:18,720
so i'll take this opportunity to wish

1923
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:20,640
everybody a happy new year

1924
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,480
yeah happy new year had a nice christmas

1925
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:25,039
however odds that it's been this year

1926
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,640
but whatever indeed um

1927
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:28,240
and uh

1928
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,880
yeah that's that's it for today's

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episode about time if you have any

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thoughts or questions please drop me a

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message on twitter at download

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underscore dnd

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otherwise thank you all for listening

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and good night

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good night

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