March 5, 2021

Acting


For this special [natural] twentieth episode, it's my pleasure to welcome Ben, Darrel, Vicky, Grace, and David from No Small Rolls (@nosmallrolls), the amazing actual-play podcast where there are no small rolls! It's a laugh a minute as they take me through their experiences in producing NSR, and how they've approached portraying a character based on a sheet full of numbers. It was interesting to find out how a career in acting affects the D&D experience, or more accurately, how it doesn't. Ultimately, there is no silver bullet to successful role play (whatever that means!), and no single person is "more suited" to the experience than any other. Alongside such earnest guidance, you can also hear me mess up in literally my first sentence, learn how to buy friends, and appreciate how slippers can give you proficiency in stealth!

  • 00:56 - Meet the cast!
  • 21:06 - How acting and podcasting affects the D&D experience
  • 35:49 - The character sheet - your "Director"
  • 46:58 - Dealing with the misconception of stage fright
  • 58:08 - Finding your voice
  • 70:00 - Performance as performers
  • 78:26 - Darrel's Pearls of Wisdom™

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Intro Music: 'Local Forecast' by Kevin MacLeod
Intermission Music: 'Chill' by Kevin MacLeod
Outro Music: 'Local Forecast - Elevator' by Kevin MacLeod

Transcript

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[Music]

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hello and welcome to thinking critically

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a d and d discussion a podcast where we

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deep dive single word concepts or ideas

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within the dungeons and dragons 5e

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framework my name is danilo and i like

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all kinds of games and the crunchy

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mechanics that make him tick you can

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find me on twitter facebook and

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instagram and i'd really appreciate a

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like or a follow today

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i am joined by the cast the whole cast

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of one no small roles oh excuse me sorry

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yes bar one of no small roles

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grace

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thank you for

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volunteering why don't you tell us a

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little bit about yourself and the

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podcast uh i certainly shall thank you

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so much uh apologies for just uh butting

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in there um so no small roles is an

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actual play d d podcast where there are

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no small roles but six british actors

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that bonded over their love of d d we've

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all worked for the same fabulous theatre

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company open bar go check them out and

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we've all performed in various

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shakespeare plays across the uk with

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that company in pub gardens so we all

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quite like a drink and it was at one

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fateful cast company party where you get

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to meet the people from the other shows

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where there was drinking going on in a

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kitchen and uh this this conversation of

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d d just kept on popping up all over the

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kitchen and uh at one point baby david

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our dm uh decided to produce a d20 from

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his bag and so the plan to start

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actually playing d d between actors that

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knew what it was and didn't uh was

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hatched um and myself and david had been

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percolating the idea of doing a podcast

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we thought that'd be pretty cool but you

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know life was pretty busy and then life

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got considerably less busy

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and uh

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there was also considerably less

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attention for us as actors

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thus we finally had no more excuses to

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actually start baking no small roles and

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we absolutely love getting to play in

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this magical world that uh of d d and uh

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david's homebrewed world of dolomia

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thank you very much i always thought

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people that carried d20s with them was a

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thing of legend but now i'm

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like i'm i'm beating the unicorn

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no it's real i have no idea why but

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there always seems to be at least one

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full set of dice in my bag

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uh good you have to be prepared you

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gotta be prepared you never know when

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you might need to make a decision

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[Laughter]

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ironically your stag do involved rolling

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a d20 yeah it did giving you forfeits

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it was like wow yeah it was like a whole

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wild magic thing but each age thing on

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the table was something awful

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it wasn't it was really

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one of them was that i had to fly for a

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full minute which meant that i was just

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carried around by everybody else

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didn't touch the floor

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that is totally a reason to get married

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uh okay well uh uh david the unicorn why

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don't you um why don't you tell us tell

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us a little bit about yourself hi i'm

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david baby david as i have been

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nominated

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i'm a an actor a writer composer um i

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met vicky years and years ago we were

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both working at madam two swords

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together uh down in the scare attraction

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hilarious um

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vicky and uh nikki and ellie

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first started open book

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theater company vicky basically grabbed

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me and pulled me in and uh

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whilst i uh

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was like yeah like acting work great um

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i was also very subtly like also do you

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need a composer because i write music

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and i can see that you don't have a

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composer on there on the crew yet so can

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i be your composer thank you very much

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also he wasn't getting paid at this

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point we didn't have any budget so we

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were like absolutely yes absolutely

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i was like oh look

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opportunity um and

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how long ago was that that was 2013.

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that was about seven years ago yeah

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uh yeah basically since then i've uh

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been resident composer for them uh which

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is fantastic it means there's loads of

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different like uh loads of different

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types of shows that they put on they do

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they do loads of shakespeare stuff but

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they also do uh adaptations of classic

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literature as well uh perform them in

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public spaces

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me getting interested in dungeons and

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dragons

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uh having such a good friendship with

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vicky i was like please come like you've

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dragged me over into the theater so i

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will drag you back into

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into geekdom um

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and yeah that was about five six years

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ago as well

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that was sort of i got i got the

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starters set for for christmas one year

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and

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uh we ran through that and then from

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there i just decided i'm going to start

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home brewing everything else tell a

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completely unique story but using sort

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of going straight on from the from the

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back of the starter adventure

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um and that's where that was what yeah

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six years ago and then yeah two years

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ago

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i think was roughly the conversation

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that all of us

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uh were in uh a party one of these uh

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hello miss christwine yeah yeah yeah it

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was like i swear this name changes every

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time every time

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christmas is roughly what it is so call

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it a christmas because i can't say the

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rest of it yeah

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and yeah it was like as grace said it

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was literally different conversations on

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opposite sides of the room and every

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time one conversation would start up you

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saw people in the other corner like like

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there is perking up looking over being

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like what

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i want to join in that conversation and

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then start a different conversation with

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whoever they were stood nearest until

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eventually we were all chatting together

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um and yeah so then me and grace uh got

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into a conversation because we were like

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great let's play d and d

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but then after a few games we were like

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how do we start

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a podcast

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yeah let's take that leap

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and yeah so then

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basically i spent a lot of time

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rushing around trying to like prep as

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much stuff as possible uh so that when

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we dove into it like we could just go

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full hog

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uh use use the homebrew world i've been

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using uh in that first game with vicky

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and uh that campaign is still running

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still to this day isn't it yeah yeah

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and then yeah and and here we are six

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months later

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what six months it's a bit mad behind me

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spinning it's spinning a lot of plates

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uh you're you're as

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brave or as foolish as i am as well

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still quite haven't decided what side

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that falls on but no no i do and i spend

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the worst the worst it is for me is when

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man that'd be really good if this

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happens and then that happens and then

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this happens and i'm like what

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yeah an hour later and you're like okay

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i've fallen far too far down this rabbit

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hole

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and the best thing is i won't remember

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it tomorrow morning so cool great

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not wasted time at all

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thank you david uh ben

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um hello i'm ben galpin the first of

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this bunch that i met was uh vicki many

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many years ago because we trained

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so that's the first time that we met and

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then since then uh i've been lucky

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enough to be employed several times by

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vicky

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and and nikki and the rest of the open

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bar and open books absolutely

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i'm vicki and i pay for friends

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it's fine by me

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you can keep paying for my friendship

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so so yes i met vicki

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at drab school then subsequently worked

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together and the first summer that i

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bar theater um

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show together and david was

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comprehending our music and grace came

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even better there you go what paid

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so that was what i met the rest of the

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the rest of the team i think for the

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first time unless i've met you

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somewhere before and i briefly met you

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dracula because i guess i did

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i came in for dracula to um what was

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to be like on book in case any of us

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needed you

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but you ended up saying more than anyone

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else in the cast yeah yeah i just ended

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in one of vicky's scenes where i was

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just like no i don't know where we are

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that's a docker moment yeah yeah

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so yeah so okay yeah so i did meet david

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awesome thank you and also i thought i'd

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mention there's no preference here i'm

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literally going right to left on the

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zoom call today

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vicky your last spoilers uh so yeah

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i'm disappointed now

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that's happy our second but now i'm sad

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uh daryl uh can you tell us a little bit

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about yourself

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hey um yeah daryl here um

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similar to everyone else um one vicky

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gaskin paid for my friendship and she

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has it to my

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[Laughter]

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yeah i i auditioned um to be in um open

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bars production of 12th night which is

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where i met um ben david and grace uh on

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that job yeah which is wonderful for me

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because at the time i had been

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dropped by my agent it's kind of like

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young and burning like i'll make it

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anyway on my own

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and then for like ages didn't get

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anything until um

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until that year when i got um 12th night

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and also um a different job completely

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unrelated to 12th night when vicki ben

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and those guys who i met literally like

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a week before came to see me in the

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other show which is really nice of them

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and i actually about nothing yeah

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that's being friends ever since that was

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like 2016

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15 2016 yeah wow

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yeah since then um

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yeah d d was very new to me when i

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when it came to the christmas christmas

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christmas

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halloween and christmas that comes in

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mid-november

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i'm gonna take biggie's wedding now i'm

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gonna have to learn that word later put

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it in my dictionary

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let's call it really really catchy

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i'm just going to try and avoid any

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references to the last quarter of the

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year

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this is a can of worms it's a can of

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worms

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i thought at one point you're going to

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say you auditioned to be her friend and

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i was going to say wow how high is this

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absolutely

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all right thank you very much daryl and

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last but obviously absolutely not least

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vicky how about how about you

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uh so yeah i paid this slot to be my

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friend um yeah i'm an actor i trained

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with ben and i run open book and open

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bar theatre is sort of my my main job uh

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which they've quite nicely

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described all of that for me

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uh

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so there's not really much more to add

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yeah i sort of met

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uh grace and daryl and chris who

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is our other cast member through open

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bar

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shows um the pub shows

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um and yeah i've just it was been really

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lovely to sort of

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work with everyone again i guess it's

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nice to sort of have a community i

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david's favorite david because he's so

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young uh introduced me to d when he was

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like do you want to play and i was like

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hell yeah

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um and i have like quite a narrow it

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like i've only played like two

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characters really in d and d for like re

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like a really long period of time in a

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really intensive period of time so i

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have like loads of knowledge on bits and

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then no knowledge outside of that which

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is interesting sometimes um

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yeah that's kind of it wicked this

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here's the weird thing for me right

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because i only know all your voices from

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the show which is obviously

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predominantly talking in character which

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is obviously that there are differences

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between your your natural voices so it's

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it's this almost this weird kind of like

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existential

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weirdness i'm getting every you know

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every so often and you know some words

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will be very similar to your characters

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and i have to be like no i'm actually

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talking to these people

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[Laughter]

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my dad makes fun because every every now

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and then i'll say a word and it'll come

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out west country for no reason never

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lived in the west country like nothing

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like sometimes i say 19 like

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there's no reason for it

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uh lovely so again thank you all for

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your introductions and for coming on

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today the topic of today perhaps

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unsurprisingly is

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acting so i will open the floor

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and say

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what does the word acting mean to you

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within the dungeons and dragons

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framework

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and i've just got a little tumbleweed

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animation ready for putting everybody on

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the spot we knew this that we knew this

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word was coming and yeah all of a sudden

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what does it mean in the context of dnd

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i'm

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i think

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character-driven dungeons and dragons i

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think like because we're all

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professional actors we really get a kick

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out of

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the sort of character side of thing and

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i think david having knowledge as a

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performer as well as an experienced dm

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he really plays off that so it's kind of

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that's very much the d game i think we

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play is more like

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we're not in it for the experience

404
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points we're in it to sort of

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create situations and

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kind of act our way through it

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yeah yeah that's that's a nice

408
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springboard for a topic i have later on

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um but does anyone else ever have a

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slightly different take or that maybe a

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different interpretation of of what it

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means to you maybe personally

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um not too um not a different

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interpretation more just to add on to

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what vicky says in terms of um

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when it comes to because we're all

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trained performers um and you guys might

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remember um being taught about given

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circumstances

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um back in drama school

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and and just realizing what

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circumstances you are handed not

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circumstances you necessarily created

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and making choices within those confines

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and which is a weird word to say within

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dnd because from an actor's perspective

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you're role-playing and you're improving

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so you're kind of free there's no like

429
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structure there's no lines or script or

430
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story to like kind of rigidly follow but

431
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you know that okay my character can't

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face through walls and the ceiling is

433
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coming in what can i do

434
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you know i mean and being able to

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inhabit that

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somewhat realistically with with

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expectations and

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kind of performing that faithfully if

439
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that makes sense

440
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yeah yeah that i think it's a really

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fine line isn't there between kind of

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acting in an improvisation and something

443
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i've had to deal with in previous games

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that i've played with certainly a

445
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younger set of players and there was a

446
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bit of a gap i had to bridge there

447
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between like hey no this is

448
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you guys get to make the script

449
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i know i'm making a script for you now

450
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this is this is on you guys yeah i've

451
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i've quite often described it or just d

452
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in general to other people as uh it's

453
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like improv acting mixed with gambling

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because there's the the aspect of

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of like daryl was saying like you've got

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like some boundaries they're much wider

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than they would be in any drama game uh

458
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but you've got some boundaries of like

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what your character can do like the

460
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particular situation that you might be

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in

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but you also don't have complete control

463
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over it either

464
00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,360
your character can try and make a like a

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performance decision but then

466
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the dice will just go completely against

467
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you and you've got you've gotta like

468
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just go okay well i guess that's not

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happening and turn on a dime straight

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away

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david's catchphrase is well you can try

472
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to try

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yeah

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i'm just going to add to like my i'm

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putting my hand up because i'm like oh

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because

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um but like for me like acting the way

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like it works so well with dnd because

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for me acting is play

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uh and and that's coming from kind of

481
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more of a clowning background and a

482
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cabaret background as well like that's

483
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been a big part of my acting career

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and so it is about playing and being

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present and and um

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and that's what you'd have to do in d d

487
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you can't like go in with too much

488
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planned because you don't know what's

489
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going to happen you don't know what's

490
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going to suddenly fall from the sky you

491
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don't know what your dice is going to do

492
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so you have to play and then within that

493
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there is this amazing freedom as an

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actor to be able to just go sod it i

495
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don't need to learn my lines i just need

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my sheet in front of me and some dice

497
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and let's play and let's just fully like

498
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enjoy being in this world and so yeah

499
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they i think you can't have d d without

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acting because but i'm saying that

501
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because i'm an actor you obviously can

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do d d without

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everyone

504
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i also think it'd be cool to do a

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character sheet for a character you were

506
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playing

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yeah i think like to actually do that

508
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for the acting process like just doing a

509
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character sheet would be amazing it'd be

510
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really useful i've never done it but i

511
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was like i'm gonna do it for the next

512
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job i get you heard it here

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cool uh thank you all so much for your

514
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takes there on on acting and um i've

515
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told ben this but for for the rest of

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your benefit i've got some some chops

517
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myself if i do say so uh i played uh

518
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oliver

519
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the oliver twist

520
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tough roll title right yeah

521
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back back in uh secondary school uh

522
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maybe about 15 years ago

523
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the question is

524
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way too early

525
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so yeah that's we've reached the limit

526
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of my of my acting credentials there uh

527
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singing where is love you know you know

528
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feet away from your

529
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mum was uh you know it was an experience

530
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i don't soon forget

531
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,440
was she on stage as well it was a weird

532
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setup uh we were i was on like a table

533
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like on the in front of the stage i

534
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think

535
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uh

536
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,039
yeah it was quite like an immersive

537
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production

538
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i think i was just happy to be doing

539
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something at that point so

540
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i was swinging my legs under the table

541
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,679
and i got told to stop because i'm

542
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singing like a

543
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it's a pretty sad song right so

544
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,360
stop looking happy for context i was

545
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,480
like you know young i'm not young

546
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,919
anymore so

547
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,679
this wasn't like last year for anyone

548
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listening tradition traditionally oliver

549
00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:56,960
is quite a youngster

550
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i played it last year i think the

551
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,840
casting was a little special when i

552
00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:02,559
shave i do knock off about 10

553
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,080
years absolutely i'm not knowing that

554
00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:04,390
you've got a very flexible age gap it's

555
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,799
fine

556
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:08,159
[Laughter]

557
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,799
so

558
00:21:08,159 --> 00:21:12,960
one thing i i wanted to ask and we we've

559
00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:15,200
touched on it a little bit so far but i

560
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,600
wanted to go into a bit more detail is

561
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,039
how do you think that your

562
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,919
experience

563
00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:25,039
in your careers acting in real life has

564
00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:27,360
impacted or affected your performance

565
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,880
at the table as it were and i know some

566
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:31,360
of you've got some experience

567
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,200
not for the podcast and so maybe

568
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,799
question one b would be

569
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,320
is there any further differences between

570
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:39,440
those two

571
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,440
yes between between absolutely d and d

572
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,840
on a podcast and d not on a podcast um

573
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,600
well so as a startup for ten if how your

574
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,240
how your experience as

575
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,760
career actors has shaped your

576
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,200
table play

577
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,840
which i hope isn't

578
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,840
a turn

579
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,880
i think that's what you were doing

580
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,039
was the audience

581
00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:20,400
[Laughter]

582
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,640
so yeah if anyone if anyone wants to

583
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,480
take take the bait on that one yeah sure

584
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,520
um

585
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,320
etiquette i'd say and so in terms of

586
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,720
like

587
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,840
um again all loads of drama school

588
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,440
memories are just floating through my

589
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,679
mind right now um

590
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,000
um serving the writer or serving the

591
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:40,559
story and also

592
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,480
knowing what um one of the best

593
00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:45,360
exercises i ever did in terms of

594
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:48,320
performances what does the space need

595
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:50,159
and whilst in dnd you don't really know

596
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,039
what the overall story or outcome is

597
00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:55,039
going to be you as a performer gain an

598
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,799
instinct of knowing what does this need

599
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:59,200
right now like

600
00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:01,520
you have your turn in combat to cast

601
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,600
your spells and make a movement or when

602
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,360
there's um dialogue happen between

603
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,799
characters if you're not there or it

604
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,640
doesn't really involve you you know when

605
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:10,159
to give people space and if you know

606
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,880
that someone wants to come in you kind

607
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:12,480
of

608
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,840
give them that room

609
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,720
you kind of sense it out it's not kind

610
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,039
of like an

611
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,280
unspoken agreement that everyone

612
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:22,000
acknowledges that okay this person needs

613
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,679
this space to do this and and they have

614
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,760
they're gearing up to do something here

615
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:26,960
i can back off a little here and i think

616
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,840
being on

617
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,240
online you're much more aware of it

618
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,159
as there's of course like

619
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,240
disrepresences between internet speeds

620
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:39,039
and you're careful not to talk over each

621
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,960
other because of editing so

622
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,200
and also just balancing

623
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,640
that in between and it's just it just

624
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,400
kind of came to mind when grace put our

625
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,159
hand up and like we still remember our

626
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,159
manners

627
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:51,360
you know we're like not physically in

628
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:53,200
the same room

629
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,559
so i haven't really answered your

630
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,679
question that well when you say how does

631
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,520
your career

632
00:23:55,679 --> 00:24:00,400
affect your table play but it's kind of

633
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,559
like again instincts um gained from

634
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,400
yeah from working and training let's say

635
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:06,080
for me at least

636
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,760
so to follow on with that put your hands

637
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,159
a vibe there are of course no wrong

638
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,159
answers

639
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:15,279
which is another lesson that comes from

640
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,760
the acting industry yes i remember a

641
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,480
teacher ben and i had sonia

642
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,279
she

643
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,279
what was it she used to say um

644
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:25,440
there are no right answers like you'll

645
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:27,440
always get it wrong didn't she

646
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,320
and the idea was like just try it was

647
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,320
sort of more encouraging

648
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:36,640
the idea was like trying anything is

649
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,640
better than not doing anything and your

650
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,960
director's job is to sort of reign you

651
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,679
in here there and everywhere and i think

652
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,200
like as an actor it's very like yes and

653
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:47,120
there's a game where you know someone

654
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,679
does it and someone said yes and this

655
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,960
yes and this and it sort of

656
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:52,799
gets your

657
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,440
brain in the right gear doesn't it to

658
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:58,159
sort of be able to sort of see

659
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,400
everything but then stay true to the

660
00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:03,440
like one cog that you have

661
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,279
going around and and not be like

662
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,360
you know if if daryl's character's like

663
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:09,679
let's go off in this direction not be

664
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,919
like no unless you know it's a it's a

665
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:13,520
gwen keydo moment in which case they're

666
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:15,200
they're sort of building on each other

667
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,440
by sort of pulling apart but

668
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,400
understanding that it might not be what

669
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,480
you plan to do but you sort of

670
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,400
you're like cool with sort of

671
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,000
it's sort of the law of improvisation

672
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,080
yeah it's like in d that's kind of

673
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,400
another level of it because there is

674
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,559
conflict between characters but it's you

675
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,440
can't just say no but you have to say no

676
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:38,159
and a reason why and it's kind of as

677
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,240
long as it the improv is developing and

678
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:42,000
it's still like interesting to have that

679
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,039
conflict and it's fun for us to play as

680
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,880
well um so yeah it's taking it's taking

681
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,400
that yes and to another level when it

682
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,960
comes to d and d

683
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,559
yeah which is quite yeah and like daryl

684
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,960
like you said sort of serving the story

685
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:57,600
and serving the space rather than just

686
00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,240
what you want to do as a character yeah

687
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,559
exactly yeah that yeah what does the

688
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,480
space need i really like and something

689
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:06,080
i've struggled with articulating in such

690
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,000
a way and that's a really good way of

691
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,559
putting it to not anymore players but

692
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,919
i've mentioned on previous episodes like

693
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,720
serving the story what does the space

694
00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:16,159
need just knowing when is not the

695
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,520
correct time because i guess there isn't

696
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:19,840
really ever a correct time but knowing

697
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,360
when is the a good time to step back or

698
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,039
when is there a good time to be like hey

699
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,120
these characters need some space i'm

700
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:27,840
just gonna shut up and not just be like

701
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,720
i buy two flagons of ale okay these two

702
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,720
are trying to have a moment here like

703
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,960
could you not um

704
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,360
so knowing that i think is a yeah a huge

705
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,720
deal so it's cool that you're saying

706
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,720
that you know you guys are getting that

707
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,679
impart from the experience you've had in

708
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,039
acting

709
00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:46,320
i actually

710
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:48,880
just wanted to just a as a thing i found

711
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,120
being an actor a bit of a hindrance in

712
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,440
my first ever dnd game

713
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:55,279
because i was so

714
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,120
nervous it was a game with some friends

715
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,799
who had told me about d d and i was just

716
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,559
like oh yeah sure and like like you're

717
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:04,640
an actor you'll be good at it

718
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:06,559
and then in comes the self-doubt and the

719
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,720
oh i'm supposed to be good at this

720
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:11,760
because i'm an actor and i've got to be

721
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:14,000
good and and i closed up at the table

722
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,840
like i only played a couple of sessions

723
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,480
of that campaign because

724
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,520
i didn't i i just felt so um i felt the

725
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,440
pressure

726
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,120
of having to be good at it and like it

727
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,880
and they like not nobody else at the

728
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,039
table was putting that pressure on me it

729
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,960
was me putting that pressure on me

730
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:31,679
yeah and um so it's just it actually

731
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,640
took listening to some d d podcast to go

732
00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:36,559
oh i can do anything

733
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,960
oh it doesn't matter

734
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,799
being wrong is just as fun and

735
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,360
interesting as being right and there

736
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:45,039
isn't like so but like definitely at

737
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,240
first like those first couple of games

738
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,840
it just like

739
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,520
i was too much in my head because i was

740
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,200
like oh well i'm an actor so this is

741
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,880
going to reflect badly on me if i'm bad

742
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,960
at this game

743
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,200
it's why actors are the worst like

744
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,799
volunteers to have in a show

745
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,559
like getting an actor on stage you're

746
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,559
like oh god do i go for it and like

747
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,039
okay so

748
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,679
i guess for those who have played games

749
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,440
outside of no small roles have you found

750
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:21,440
that experience different

751
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,080
at all and i guess the easy answer which

752
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,679
i probably know is yeah of course due to

753
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,720
reasons being it's it's being recorded

754
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:28,880
and whatnot but what about some of the

755
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,320
nuances what about some of the smaller

756
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,720
changes that might not be so obvious to

757
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,919
people listening because

758
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,600
often

759
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:39,919
especially with you guys it's it's quite

760
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,640
polished there's you know very few kind

761
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:45,840
of gaps in in anything because we edit

762
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,840
them out yeah yeah

763
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:52,559
i i definitely take no small roles much

764
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,880
more seriously and we were the last time

765
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:57,200
we played david i went away and was like

766
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,919
there's there's things i do in that in

767
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,000
that campaign that i was almost a bit

768
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:04,399
like i need to take some of this spirit

769
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,120
and put it into no small roles because i

770
00:29:04,399 --> 00:29:09,120
think you know it's a podcast and

771
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,440
particularly is we've been really lucky

772
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,600
to have some really lovely feedback i

773
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,919
personally feel like you know there's a

774
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,720
responsibility to remember what your

775
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:20,880
character is doing and to sort of to

776
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,120
really sort of drive the story on

777
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,880
whereas i play a minus two intelligence

778
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,520
dragonborn barbarian in the other

779
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,159
campaign and we were we were fighting

780
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,120
some yeti a few weeks ago

781
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:32,320
and

782
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,760
it almost feels like there's no

783
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,440
consequence like you're not being

784
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,200
recorded so if you say something it just

785
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,600
goes out into the ether

786
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,440
um whereas

787
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,200
with no small roles there is a there is

788
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,360
a duty isn't there to sort of drive the

789
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,520
story on and i mean

790
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,279
it's not that it's not fun but you i do

791
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,080
feel like there is a responsibility

792
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:54,559
which i think is nice because

793
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,559
i do need to take it more seriously

794
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:59,520
because i can't i can't fumble around

795
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,880
with minus two intelligences tuna but i

796
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,880
i was i've been thinking a lot about

797
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,720
that recently so it was a very poignant

798
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,880
question for me

799
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,399
it's true though i feel like

800
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,440
compared to the two games

801
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:11,760
uh

802
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,919
the prep work that i do going into like

803
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,240
the home game is a lot less

804
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:18,480
like i'm not worried if i can't remember

805
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,000
a character voice i'm not worried if it

806
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,080
doesn't quite make sense to something

807
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,760
that's happened beforehand whereas like

808
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,679
the character prep

809
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,240
it's not a huge amount there's too many

810
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:29,600
too many npcs for one dm to think about

811
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,279
but the character prep that goes into

812
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,640
the podcast

813
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,720
like i'm actually making notes about

814
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,440
which i don't for the home game

815
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,080
um so that kind of like

816
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,600
like an actor prepares moments

817
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,240
yeah there is a lot more of it that goes

818
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480
in

819
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,480
like you say vicky because there's

820
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,640
again it's it's really fun i've quite

821
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,880
happily spent my entire life just

822
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,360
planning npcs it's just really indelible

823
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,880
isn't it exactly for other people not

824
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,480
just for yourself yeah i'm aware that

825
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,320
we're there to have fun

826
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,159
uh but that other people are gonna be

827
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,279
following it as well so there needs to

828
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:03,840
be some

829
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,640
some consistency for them

830
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,679
yeah

831
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,519
yeah

832
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:09,919
i just i think that yeah like i've

833
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,760
played in a a few other like games and

834
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:14,399
campaigns and stuff like outside of this

835
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,799
and like dm one for a little bit of time

836
00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:19,200
and i think like with no small roles i

837
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:22,240
think it is much more

838
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,200
when we're playing this game

839
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,559
partly because of the style of the

840
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,039
players but also i think a lot because

841
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:28,320
it's podcast and we're aware it's been

842
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,240
you know being put out and it's a story

843
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,039
and all of that like it does feel much

844
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,640
more i think story sort of driven and

845
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,080
role play driven than some of the other

846
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,159
games where you can be like let's just

847
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,320
go and bash up some monsters for four

848
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:42,399
hours and roll some dice and

849
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,559
you know have a laugh and that's fine

850
00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:46,240
like and that's really fun um and i

851
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,320
think no more roles we're much more

852
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,480
aware of like

853
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,640
character all the time much more aware

854
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,240
sort of plot much more aware of um that

855
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,080
thing we were saying earlier about daryl

856
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,440
like you're saying like giving everyone

857
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,720
the space that they need and sort of all

858
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480
of that and like okay this is really

859
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,880
nice scene so really want to make sure

860
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,559
that this scene plays out sort of nicely

861
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,080
for the for an audience point of view as

862
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,240
well so i think there's

863
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,480
there's lots of other considerations i

864
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,919
think like that that you take on when

865
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,080
you're when we're doing like a no small

866
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:16,080
roles episode compared with this stuff

867
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,919
yes wilson dyson

868
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,000
it's like we're all kind of taking a bit

869
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:22,320
more responsibility for the story

870
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,080
together it's not i feel like it's not

871
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,159
so much on the dm's shoulders as it

872
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,240
might be in another game but like we're

873
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:30,320
because we all have to be like in it and

874
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,799
present we're all thinking about keeping

875
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,320
an eye on things and and be taking like

876
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,840
you know really taking in character

877
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,880
names and stuff because it's important

878
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,799
and i kind of have been really enjoying

879
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,200
that and want to take some of that back

880
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,440
to my more home games and actually

881
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,880
be more attentive because it's really

882
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,200
fun the more you get into it and this

883
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,080
story we're all building together it's

884
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840
like

885
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,279
it's bloody cool

886
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,120
yeah yeah

887
00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:00,240
i think that's the difference between

888
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,480
doing it for a podcast doing it in a

889
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,240
home game and also being an actor in

890
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,640
either of those situations

891
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,240
just make it um everyone here is like

892
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,799
the answers that everyone just gave now

893
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,240
they're all like aware of an audience

894
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,919
you know i mean whether that audience is

895
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,320
themselves because they enjoy investing

896
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:18,240
in that story or the fact that oh what i

897
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,279
do and say someone's gonna listen to

898
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,799
that and you know i have to make this

899
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:25,120
enjoyable for them

900
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:27,360
whereas um people i don't want to speak

901
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,080
for everyone who is not an actor most

902
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,919
people who play d d are actors and

903
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,679
they're playing a game rather than

904
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:35,600
they're telling a story

905
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:37,600
this made me think of the last session i

906
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,080
dm'd i was running a module

907
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,880
and even though i had this intricate

908
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,399
plot that the adventure gave like one

909
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,880
character just wanted to romance the

910
00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:48,799
quest given the other person wanted to

911
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,840
preach their religion and it was fun it

912
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:53,360
was bonkers

913
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,279
and i realize

914
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,279
not not thinking like have i been

915
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,200
spoiled by no small roles like by

916
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,919
getting to play a really rich involving

917
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,519
story or have i forgotten that d is

918
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,880
essentially a game and these guys are

919
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:07,120
just getting what

920
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,960
they want to get out of it and we can

921
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,320
still have fun that way

922
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,679
i don't know it's just a quick one just

923
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,359
like to bring it back to your first

924
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,480
question dunlop about

925
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:18,800
what do we bring as a performer

926
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,800
to it what do we bring from our career

927
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,480
into it i think daryl you're absolutely

928
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,079
right like an awareness of audience and

929
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,520
i think it's probably no coincidence

930
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:30,159
that all of us have met doing open air

931
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,679
shakespeare in pub gardens where you're

932
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,599
performing not to like shakespeare and

933
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,200
aficionados who sit there because you

934
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,480
know they love every single shakespeare

935
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,079
play and you know can recite all the

936
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,679
speeches backwards but are there to have

937
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:42,079
a good time and like

938
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,159
it's really an interactive show with the

939
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:46,240
audience the the stuff that openbar puts

940
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,079
on and i think you just have to have

941
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:49,839
like an understand like an audience

942
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,599
awareness performing in that kind of

943
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:53,359
show and i think that and as as the as

944
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,760
the person who's employed you all to do

945
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:59,119
that like what what everyone in no small

946
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,599
roles has is that ability to do that

947
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:03,200
which is why

948
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:05,440
they've got those jobs in the first

949
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440
place

950
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:09,280
because you have to when you've got you

951
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,359
know tony whose wife sandra's dragged

952
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,040
him down to watch some shakespeare with

953
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:15,200
the promise of a pint in the middle of

954
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,200
it

955
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,960
like you say ben you've got you've kind

956
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,760
of got to have that sadistic side of you

957
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,560
where you kind of know that it all could

958
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,599
really crumble at any given moment yeah

959
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,880
yeah

960
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,200
and embrace that

961
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,880
yeah

962
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,920
you want to push push that line right up

963
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,520
to crumbling point and go okay

964
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,720
now we'll take it back walk on the cliff

965
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:43,050
edge

966
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:43,050
[Music]

967
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,880
[Music]

968
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:52,480
there's an interesting thing you

969
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,680
mentioned there vicky about and you in

970
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,599
the other game you mentioned that you

971
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,880
play a character with -2 intelligence

972
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,040
and how that

973
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,320
you could say directs

974
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
to use

975
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,720
terminology that you might be familiar

976
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,560
with um so my question to that and this

977
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,160
is a this is a deliberately a loaded

978
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,600
question because uh i'm going to be

979
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,119
splitting the party

980
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,040
[Laughter]

981
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:16,320
baby david and the rest of you

982
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,620
i love splitting the party

983
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,119
thing

984
00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:22,400
[Laughter]

985
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,000
by saying

986
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,280
do you feel that your character sheets

987
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,040
provide you

988
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,400
direction which now i say out loud

989
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,680
sounds kind of stupid but if you can

990
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,599
kind of meet me halfway and understand

991
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,359
what i'm getting at in that like

992
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,480
if it's -2

993
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:36,160
you know that's going to drastically

994
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,839
change how i act or change how you

995
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,440
approach that role

996
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:41,440
and then i'm a fan of follow-up

997
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,880
questions it would appear uh obviously

998
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,119
david you don't have that i would know

999
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,640
as a dm unless you don't typically build

1000
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,520
full character sheets for that you might

1001
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,920
have

1002
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,720
ideals blonde bonds flaws a lot of the

1003
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,880
time he does

1004
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,880
say

1005
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,680
we've answered that question ahead of

1006
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,920
time then because there's the answer so

1007
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,920
i guess so everybody then how do you how

1008
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,640
do you feel that your character sheet in

1009
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:12,400
of itself as a thing unique to d and d

1010
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,800
affects how you portray the role

1011
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,160
i oh i i

1012
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,599
i don't know if this is a conscious

1013
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,280
decision of mine

1014
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,920
but when we definitely when we started

1015
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:25,200
no small roles i was using the stats on

1016
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,960
my character sheet to help define the

1017
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,720
performance of my character like i'm

1018
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,000
looking at it right now because it's

1019
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:33,200
always within i'm answering my desk um

1020
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,240
like um

1021
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,320
enkidu character um his high stat is

1022
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,599
charisma and i remember there was a

1023
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,040
scene where

1024
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,119
guy is played by chris who is not with

1025
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,240
us today um

1026
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:49,359
and in guido were chatting to two

1027
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,119
all three young women in a pub and

1028
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:55,119
i thought well

1029
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:55,119
i've got charisma i've got i'm a warlock

1030
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,040
i

1031
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,880
had an attempt at that it's weird i do

1032
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,400
it does inform a little bit of it i

1033
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,040
don't i'm not i don't have to no one

1034
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,760
told me i have to but some part of me

1035
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,440
is wanting to use that as a framework

1036
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,680
to shape in my performance on my

1037
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,160
character

1038
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,599
yeah definitely i i

1039
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,520
haven't really found myself sitting on

1040
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,400
one side of the fence or the other i

1041
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,599
obviously

1042
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,680
obviously people make characters they

1043
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,359
want to play uh you know to a certain if

1044
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,359
you want to play a strong dude you plumb

1045
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:27,280
all your points into strength okay fine

1046
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:28,800
if you want to play an intelligence

1047
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,119
wizard you plumb more points into

1048
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,640
intelligence okay that makes sense

1049
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,240
but in terms of

1050
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,000
for charisma characters being the face

1051
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:38,320
of the party that always to me is

1052
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,920
something i don't like to lean into too

1053
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,800
much because it's not

1054
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,480
almost for the sake of it so i probably

1055
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,320
go swing too much in the other direction

1056
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,599
especially in one campaign i played semi

1057
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,040
recently i was

1058
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,960
very much uh

1059
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,720
kind of like an edgy bard in that i was

1060
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,079
like no i don't wanna i don't talk to

1061
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,760
anybody

1062
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,680
and the rest of the players are like

1063
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,880
pushing me to the front i'm like nah i'm

1064
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,880
shh i can't do

1065
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,280
your bard probably got a lot of

1066
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,200
attention

1067
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,040
yeah just because you were being cool

1068
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,560
and standoffish everyone's like so

1069
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,240
charismatic

1070
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,670
like a celeb wearing sunglasses and a

1071
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,000
hat

1072
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:23,119
[Laughter]

1073
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,560
what about the rest of you have you

1074
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,599
found that your character sheets provide

1075
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:31,040
a certain level of direction or do you a

1076
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:32,880
bit like myself try to do the opposite

1077
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,400
no i definitely i definitely find like

1078
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,960
it provides a center direction as well

1079
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,040
and i always kind of enjoy the

1080
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,960
the kind of playing into the low stat a

1081
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,800
little bit as well with it like what's

1082
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,079
the what's your lowest stat like how

1083
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,920
does what does that say about your

1084
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,839
character as well the bit that they're

1085
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,119
not good at like

1086
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:50,960
you're building these heroes and these

1087
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,800
people who are you know super strong or

1088
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,720
super intelligent or super dexterous or

1089
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,400
you know whatever but they've they've

1090
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,079
got to have flaws as well otherwise

1091
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,760
they're not i don't think they're

1092
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,680
they're interesting otherwise or they're

1093
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,760
not as interesting certainly

1094
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,680
um and certainly again for leaning into

1095
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,520
a podcast like i think you know you want

1096
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,240
to you want to explore flaws and all of

1097
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,079
that

1098
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,800
so with with oren in particular like

1099
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:17,040
charisma is his lowest stat like

1100
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,880
he's not charismatic um at all um

1101
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,040
and you know i've played like warlocks

1102
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,560
and stuff in the past and like enjoyed

1103
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,560
leaning into the charisma a bit more and

1104
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,280
like i play a charismatic

1105
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,200
bard rogue combo in a different campaign

1106
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,240
and then i quite like with lauren that

1107
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,800
he's he's just not good at that at all

1108
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,000
uh and that's sort of i think become

1109
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,400
quite a key sort of defining

1110
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,359
characteristic for him really

1111
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,599
i just was gonna say it's really fun

1112
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:45,359
not necessarily just playing but hearing

1113
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:47,760
a character try to do something they're

1114
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:50,800
really bad at it's like it's so

1115
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:53,440
satisfying to to sort of like be like oh

1116
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,200
god like there's a great moment that is

1117
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,160
coming up that i'm sure will have aired

1118
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,560
by the time this comes out where gwen

1119
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,800
and oren are having to make a decision

1120
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,760
on something and it's just the two of

1121
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,440
them

1122
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,720
which also doesn't give any spoilers if

1123
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,280
anyone hasn't watched this particular

1124
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:11,920
episode and there's something so joyful

1125
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:15,200
as the two characters that that aren't

1126
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,640
the ones to necessarily jump into the

1127
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,800
we're going this way we're going that

1128
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,839
way and sort of see see how that plays

1129
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,319
out it's really really fun i think as a

1130
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:27,119
sort of listener

1131
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:28,240
yeah like our character like sheets can

1132
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:31,119
give us

1133
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:32,480
building blocks to like use and have fun

1134
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,040
with like

1135
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,400
it's it's a fun way of kind of building

1136
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,920
your character is going okay well what

1137
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,200
did the dice tell me that my character

1138
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,200
is okay that's interesting i'm gonna

1139
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,760
use this build to inform this part of

1140
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,680
their personality and stuff and or it's

1141
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,839
gonna inspire like for example like you

1142
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,160
deciding to go against um

1143
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:53,680
certain stats like it's inspired you to

1144
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,680
do something different like okay that's

1145
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,000
what it is but i'm gonna twist that and

1146
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,079
like i think that's really fun like what

1147
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,000
vicky was saying like the idea of making

1148
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,520
a character sheet for a character we

1149
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,040
were playing in a play

1150
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,560
is really useful because it just gives

1151
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,400
us more to play with like

1152
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,640
building blocks that can be manipulated

1153
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,480
and like play-doh but um

1154
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,000
rather than just having a blank

1155
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,520
canvas and not knowing where to start

1156
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,319
you've got you've got things to help you

1157
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,359
yeah

1158
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:22,800
i think the other thing with that as

1159
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:23,599
well to just pick up on that grace is

1160
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,839
like

1161
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,520
with skills and things like that all

1162
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:29,200
leads to that can all be a source of

1163
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,119
character building as well so if you're

1164
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,200
like oh actually i wanna i want this

1165
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,880
character to be really stealthy and then

1166
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,560
you kind of go like okay his proficiency

1167
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,720
is in stealth and then you go

1168
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,400
why is his proficiency in stealth like

1169
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:43,599
that leads to an interesting question in

1170
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:46,480
your character creation to go okay so

1171
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:48,079
is this something because of his

1172
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,240
i don't know because of his background

1173
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,440
or because of his size or because of how

1174
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,520
he walks or

1175
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,160
or what is it like or because he only

1176
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,960
wears slippers i don't know like

1177
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,960
you definitely should

1178
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,480
and that makes a lot of sense now

1179
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:18,319
have tabaxie don't need shoes she does

1180
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,839
i'll have to tell you all about her

1181
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:21,200
sometimes she's got an in-depth

1182
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:22,960
backstory

1183
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,200
is she very stealthy though grace is the

1184
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,839
question she's so stealthy and she wears

1185
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,839
a lot of videos

1186
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,680
i think she packs a knitting needle

1187
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,599
separately

1188
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
i do think it's uh it's interesting that

1189
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:39,040
even with

1190
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:42,160
like even if you were to use the

1191
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,760
your stats as a building block for

1192
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,200
how to describe your character not just

1193
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,599
in a mechanical sense but in like a

1194
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,200
backstory in a uh

1195
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,920
a sort of a personality sense the thing

1196
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,599
is is that like the six basic stats

1197
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,880
there are so many different directions

1198
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,839
that you can go in just off of those

1199
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,359
anyway

1200
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:59,040
like somebody who's got a really high

1201
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:00,079
intelligence doesn't necessarily mean

1202
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,400
that they are

1203
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,079
incredibly educated

1204
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,000
like in the same way like it's not that

1205
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,920
they've gone to college and university

1206
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,880
and like spent thousands of years

1207
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,720
studying like the the depths of the arc

1208
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,800
they might have just been

1209
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,160
really intelligent street wise and

1210
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,720
they've got like a

1211
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,560
you know they've they've learned things

1212
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,480
from people from talking to people

1213
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,560
rather than from studying in books like

1214
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,440
that's a very

1215
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,960
rushed uh example uh but

1216
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,800
like they can be used all of these

1217
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,160
things can be used as building blocks

1218
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,040
but there's still so much choice in that

1219
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,599
in and of each one anyway so you're not

1220
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,800
necessarily tied to an exact number like

1221
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:45,280
a more simplistic would be like a

1222
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,440
heavyweight lifter versus a ballerina

1223
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,160
they're both really hella strong

1224
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,760
but in very different ways yeah yeah

1225
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,280
definitely

1226
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,440
yeah i think that's uh and i don't

1227
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,240
mention that a lot of newer players

1228
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,119
don't

1229
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:00,560
often appreciate might be there and

1230
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:03,359
but on the same breadth you know it can

1231
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,200
act as a crutch is maybe too negative a

1232
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:06,560
word but a you know a supporting thing

1233
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,319
to say i don't know what the hell this

1234
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,160
game is let me just

1235
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:11,440
read these numbers and kind of go from

1236
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,359
there but um

1237
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,200
one thing you mentioned ben about

1238
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:17,599
playing to the all weaknesses is

1239
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,520
something i'm super super super keen and

1240
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,319
fond on and i love and it's it's it i

1241
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:25,040
would say it uh makes the character have

1242
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:28,480
more humanity but of course that's a bit

1243
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:31,440
species specific within dnd so

1244
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:34,640
seem uh be more rounded i guess is

1245
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,880
the species agnostic way of doing it um

1246
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,760
and a short campaign i was just playing

1247
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,520
in that we had a necromancer wizard in

1248
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,160
the party who had

1249
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,720
garbage uh charisma

1250
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,720
and wisdom for that matter um and we we

1251
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,839
just ended a small like hamlet and there

1252
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:53,440
had been a murder by allegedly some

1253
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,800
undead horrors during the night and

1254
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,040
there's a bunch of towns go hard and

1255
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,720
people outside but oh crying sad

1256
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,440
someone's died usual kind of stuff um

1257
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,720
i'm

1258
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,359
probably surprising that i was in oliver

1259
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,359
with that performance

1260
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,520
but uh

1261
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,960
this uh this their commander just walked

1262
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,960
up and was like

1263
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:16,240
what's happening with the body then guys

1264
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,280
and the rest of us are just like

1265
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,040
why would he

1266
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,640
do that he just turned around like just

1267
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,160
completely poker faced the rest of us in

1268
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,079
real life and was like

1269
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,800
because i've got you know i don't know

1270
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,920
how to talk to people and i want to

1271
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,400
resurrect

1272
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,400
[Laughter]

1273
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,160
so yeah that led to its really own kind

1274
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,680
of unique

1275
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,240
interactions with the town guard and

1276
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,160
like the grieving family and all that

1277
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,160
kind of stuff so that's something i

1278
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,160
super super recommend it's all

1279
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,400
it's all too tempting to build a mary

1280
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,200
sue

1281
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,079
when you have that unlimited power of

1282
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,200
building a character you want to build

1283
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,480
so

1284
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,560
talking of

1285
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,480
acting and

1286
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,800
how you bring that to the table and how

1287
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,480
you perform at the table what

1288
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,240
recommendations would you have and this

1289
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,079
might be another tricky question for

1290
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:14,880
people who are potentially less

1291
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,319
comfortable with getting in character at

1292
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,119
the table

1293
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:19,040
so

1294
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,839
people who aren't actors people who are

1295
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,559
maybe uh you know slightly shyer

1296
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:25,920
slightly less self-confident but i've

1297
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,760
turned up to play the game as with

1298
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,839
everybody else and it's still a bit like

1299
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,760
you were mentioning earlier on grace and

1300
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:32,559
it's similar vayner

1301
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,200
kind of

1302
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,800
expected to perform

1303
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,400
what did what what would your thoughts

1304
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,119
be on that and maybe your recommendation

1305
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,920
to those in that situation

1306
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:45,839
um first establish that the place that

1307
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,359
you're playing is a safe place thank you

1308
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:49,359
vicky gaskin um a safe place

1309
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,480
i ran a show called safe place

1310
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,520
but yeah i've noticed that the the

1311
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,599
places that you're playing in is safe no

1312
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,319
one's gonna judge you uh you're among

1313
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:04,000
friends and for characters imagine the

1314
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:05,440
person that

1315
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,920
you wish you were

1316
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,359
or wish you could be and

1317
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,599
try and go for that

1318
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:12,880
because i

1319
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:15,680
i

1320
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,280
the first time i played dnd

1321
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,480
the guys i was playing with were very

1322
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,119
clearly

1323
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,920
free of any social inhibitions in that

1324
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:25,440
game

1325
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:27,280
and i was like what is this

1326
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,480
what are you doing no we can't do this

1327
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,079
oh never mind um but yeah like if you're

1328
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,760
maybe if you're underconfident like

1329
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,720
think about the person you wish you were

1330
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,240
and try and bring them to life and then

1331
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,160
now on down the line realize that person

1332
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:42,800
was you the whole time

1333
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,119
[Music]

1334
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,610
i wish we were at times

1335
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,440
there

1336
00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:50,720
[Music]

1337
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,800
daryl say something profound later

1338
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:55,280
yeah i've got them in fortune cookies

1339
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,280
let me just

1340
00:48:55,839 --> 00:49:01,040
i would buy those i think like if i was

1341
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,119
not an actor and wanting to put together

1342
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,960
a character like

1343
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,200
i would recommend to somebody like to

1344
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,839
draw inspiration maybe from their

1345
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,599
favorite film or their favorite book or

1346
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:13,680
something like that to go you know i

1347
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:17,359
like this character or this character's

1348
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,960
interesting like um that they could go

1349
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:20,559
hey i'm that's going to be my base

1350
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,640
that's where i'm going to start i like

1351
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,119
and whether it's like because everyone

1352
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:28,880
can do a silly voice like if they wanted

1353
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:30,800
to do or an impression of someone uh and

1354
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,920
like they could like if there was a film

1355
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,200
that they liked and they were like oh

1356
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,800
yeah i can do an impression of that

1357
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,960
person maybe i'll use that as my

1358
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,200
starting block and then i'll develop it

1359
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,359
further like to kind of just give

1360
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,040
yourself something fun to start with

1361
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:45,359
like something that is familiar

1362
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,680
territory so that it doesn't feel too

1363
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:49,680
like you out of your depth and something

1364
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,520
you can connect to but also something

1365
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,240
that will give you the freedom to build

1366
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,079
something new and have fun with and i do

1367
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,680
think like even though i know accents

1368
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:00,400
and voices are not for everyone and i

1369
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:02,079
don't think that they're necessary i

1370
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,680
like doing them because and especially

1371
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,599
for a podcast it makes it much clearer

1372
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,520
for our listeners to know if it's grace

1373
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:09,040
speaking or gwendolyn although right now

1374
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,559
my voice sounds a lot like gwendolyn so

1375
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,520
maybe

1376
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,599
but

1377
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:16,640
like it can also be a way to kind of

1378
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:18,960
help you get out of your own inhibitions

1379
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,119
like to kind of help you like even if

1380
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,440
it's just like oh i'm doing a little bit

1381
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:25,920
more of a different voice or or i'm just

1382
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,839
speaking a bit higher and that's the way

1383
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,319
that i'm going to try and feel like it's

1384
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:32,000
not just me because then you can be like

1385
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:34,000
okay it's the character like the

1386
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,040
character is talking i don't have to

1387
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,079
worry about

1388
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,760
me grace saying something stupid because

1389
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:41,920
my character might say something stupid

1390
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,200
and that's fine and that's good

1391
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,880
and

1392
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,160
hopefully that would i don't know that

1393
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,680
would be my recommendation for somebody

1394
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,520
who felt a bit more shy about the role

1395
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,800
play sort of thing kind of start with

1396
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,640
something that's familiar to you and

1397
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,800
build on it and

1398
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,800
give you ways to feel comfortable that

1399
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,079
it's not you that's being judged

1400
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,079
and your character's not being judged

1401
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:03,440
either like allow yourself to play and

1402
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:05,040
be free and to make mistakes like

1403
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,559
falling over is one of the most

1404
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,760
important things in acting and i think

1405
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,680
it's one of the most important things in

1406
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,880
role players let yourself fall over

1407
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,880
because you can get back up again

1408
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:17,440
i'd actually always say like picking up

1409
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,040
on that grace like try and

1410
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,520
push the character away from you a

1411
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,040
little bit if you can because

1412
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,119
having a little bit of separation almost

1413
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,359
between the character and you

1414
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,319
might be a nice way of being like okay

1415
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:29,760
well if

1416
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:31,520
i say something stupid as the character

1417
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,040
that's the character being stupid like

1418
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,559
that's not me like we're completely

1419
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,440
different right yeah

1420
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,880
um

1421
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,400
it might might help some people some

1422
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,160
people might want to play something that

1423
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,680
feels sort of similar to them and so

1424
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,680
close to them um

1425
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,920
i think the other thing that i'd say

1426
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,680
that's quite a useful little thing to

1427
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,520
think about is also

1428
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,280
describing like what your character does

1429
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,640
a little bit like a little bit in third

1430
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,599
person as well if you don't feel

1431
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,920
comfortable like breaking down in tears

1432
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,040
at a table you know or whatever you can

1433
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,160
say

1434
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,160
she then

1435
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,680
does this and like she screams in

1436
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,359
frustration and throws our axe through

1437
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,200
the window like

1438
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:09,920
you don't have to like actually scream

1439
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,839
in frustration and hit someone

1440
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,400
at the table like please don't hit

1441
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:18,000
anybody at the table that would yeah

1442
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:20,000
what table again with the safe space

1443
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,880
but yeah that might just help people

1444
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,880
kind of

1445
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,160
get you know into the mindset of their

1446
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,319
character without feeling that they have

1447
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,680
to physically like embody everything

1448
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:30,079
themselves immediately that's a good

1449
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,319
point like it doesn't all have to be

1450
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:33,839
like voiced as your character like yeah

1451
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:36,480
you can drop into

1452
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:38,559
um third person and say she you can even

1453
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,720
sort of stay in character and be like i

1454
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:42,720
would like to do this and like talk like

1455
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:44,400
that and describe it in that way

1456
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,240
that yeah you're still you're still role

1457
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,680
playing you're still enjoying the game

1458
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,359
you're still controlling that character

1459
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,559
and being that character

1460
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:52,160
there are just there's so many different

1461
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,599
ways to express that

1462
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,640
if you're worried if you are worried

1463
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:58,880
about the performance aspect

1464
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,839
i think as well there are characters

1465
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:04,319
that if i i think inevitably if you are

1466
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:06,160
playing a character in d and d

1467
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:08,640
you will grow to love that character and

1468
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,960
enjoy playing them um

1469
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,200
but i think like like there are like for

1470
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,640
example um

1471
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,800
the character i play in david's other

1472
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,200
campaign which is a dragonball barbarian

1473
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,079
with very low intelligence

1474
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,160
for a beginner that's quite a good

1475
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,119
character to take on because you can

1476
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,040
kind of

1477
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:29,680
you don't have to worry too much about

1478
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:33,359
leading the party in decisions and your

1479
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,880
sort of your focus can go on well how

1480
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:36,800
does my character sort of feel about

1481
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,240
this and they're sort of dragged through

1482
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,599
a bit and

1483
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:43,280
my natural energy is to jump in and go

1484
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,359
let's do this but there's something

1485
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,680
quite nice about playing that character

1486
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:50,079
that sits back and is like just sort of

1487
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,520
led and she yeah she sort of goes over

1488
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:54,160
here and

1489
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,680
says the wrong answer and it's sort of

1490
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,440
there's something

1491
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,760
quite freeing about that and i think if

1492
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,800
if someone was really feeling anxious

1493
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,800
about playing a character to maybe

1494
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,280
choose a character that that does stand

1495
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,960
back a bit to just sort of break them in

1496
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,480
and then you know your stats go up as

1497
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,880
you level up that's the beauty of

1498
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,960
levelling up isn't it you can go oh well

1499
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,119
you know i might do this subclass that

1500
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,280
gives them a bit more of this or i might

1501
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,640
take this feat and as you sort of grow

1502
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,559
to know the game you can sort of

1503
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,480
building block on what is essentially

1504
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:28,319
sort of a child character and sort of

1505
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,160
grow out from there yeah they have a

1506
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:32,319
story arc you don't know necessarily

1507
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,280
where that arc is going to go but it's

1508
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:36,799
building and developing and

1509
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,400
and like so there's so many different

1510
00:54:36,799 --> 00:54:39,839
approaches to

1511
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,839
having these things but it's also

1512
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:44,720
remembering that this is a collaborative

1513
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:46,640
game it's never going to just be like

1514
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,240
folk the spotlight constantly on you

1515
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,160
it's

1516
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,680
role playing like making sure that if

1517
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,839
you're worried about role playing then

1518
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,200
ask another character a question like

1519
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:59,119
draw them into your conversation to like

1520
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,720
and also like as players who are more

1521
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,319
confident whether somebody's less

1522
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,480
confident at the table

1523
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:06,240
draw them in to your conversation give

1524
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,240
them an opportunity to role play if

1525
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,440
they're not feeling like

1526
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:11,839
up to the

1527
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,240
moment like give them something to work

1528
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:16,960
with i think that's being very generous

1529
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:18,880
as a team and and as a party is

1530
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,960
something that i think helps

1531
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,200
all round for the role play and those

1532
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,880
who aren't so confident with the acting

1533
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,720
yeah absolutely yeah trust in the

1534
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,319
process just adding on to what both

1535
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:30,640
vicky and grace are saying especially

1536
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:32,880
when vicky said about a child like when

1537
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,960
you start a campaign or a session you

1538
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,280
are a child you and your character you

1539
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,599
both know literally nothing

1540
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,000
um you know what you want to do and what

1541
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:44,000
you can do what maybe you want to do in

1542
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,920
the future but the world around you

1543
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,839
might not know a lot and you're going to

1544
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,440
be asking the dm and other

1545
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:51,040
players loads of questions about where

1546
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,839
do we go from here and what's going on

1547
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,280
in that place over there and as you play

1548
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:56,799
if you're in the campaign as you play

1549
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,200
more games you learn more about the

1550
00:55:56,799 --> 00:56:01,200
world you get an idea of

1551
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,839
what you as a player want to get out of

1552
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,040
this game and what your character is

1553
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:08,079
going towards like you both grow from

1554
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,319
there

1555
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:12,480
and yeah trust in that process and just

1556
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:14,000
losing yourself in the game you just try

1557
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,000
school week try training wheels will

1558
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,440
come off

1559
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,040
i was i was mentally preparing for

1560
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,040
another profound moment and it came

1561
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,760
there's a there's an irony there in in

1562
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:29,680
character development i think of to put

1563
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,119
a nice little bone out of what i started

1564
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,359
this question with of people coming to

1565
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,720
the character and feeling a bit like

1566
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:36,880
ah i'm

1567
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,920
i'm boxed in and everyone's expecting

1568
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,760
and expecting on me but to basically

1569
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,599
time what you guys have said that in in

1570
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,400
fact the opposite is true it's an

1571
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:48,079
opportunity to be free and to live

1572
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,480
somewhere else and then to not and to

1573
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:52,720
completely forget about any boxes and

1574
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,319
walls and pressures and to to be to do

1575
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:56,799
the complete opposite thing

1576
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:58,640
yeah it's the ultimate escapism isn't it

1577
00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:00,480
like particularly at the moment when all

1578
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,240
we can do is be on zoom

1579
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,559
you can get lost in tillersham or

1580
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:06,640
wherever you know

1581
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,400
be someone completely different

1582
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,640
so i i have a

1583
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,520
one of my primary campaigns um

1584
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:16,000
my character in that is a barbarian

1585
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,160
paladin primarily barbarian but one of

1586
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,680
the reasons i chose that was to

1587
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,200
basically have the evening off versus dm

1588
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,440
hey i'm just going to sit down and i'm

1589
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,760
going to come along for the ride and

1590
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,040
he's not like stupid he's just

1591
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,880
i know you know he's got a very strong

1592
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,200
moral code funnily enough but it's it's

1593
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,200
just that this is my evening off i'm

1594
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,440
gonna have a few beers and not have to

1595
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,160
just freak out anytime anyone asks me a

1596
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,559
question and i have to go oh god how is

1597
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,359
this npc gonna react

1598
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:47,599
and then on the other hand i also play a

1599
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:48,960
high intelligence wizard who nicely

1600
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,280
fills in the other half of my

1601
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,150
personality of being a very arrogant

1602
00:57:51,280 --> 00:58:00,799
holier than thou

1603
00:57:52,150 --> 00:58:02,480
[Laughter]

1604
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:04,319
so my day-to-day interactions of actual

1605
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,559
human beings i i kind of sit in the

1606
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,559
middle

1607
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:11,520
um so we we we talked briefly there i

1608
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,280
think gracie mentioned about voice

1609
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,119
acting um which is a form of acting i

1610
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,359
believe um

1611
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:21,839
i and you mentioned briefly there about

1612
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:23,680
you know it not being a mandatory thing

1613
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:25,760
and again it's similar to

1614
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,680
just physical acting for lack of a

1615
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,040
better term at the table so what are

1616
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,400
your thoughts on

1617
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,240
that and not to put anyone in an awkward

1618
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,359
position of saying like it's

1619
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,359
it's better when people aren't

1620
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,799
comfortable about it but i just really

1621
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:37,760
wanted to get your guys

1622
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:38,720
gauge

1623
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,920
on it

1624
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:43,359
a because i know you guys do them um and

1625
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,000
do them rather well

1626
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:47,599
um obviously mine end up tend to being

1627
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,720
uh

1628
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:50,720
generic gruff man

1629
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,119
there is a real place for that in

1630
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,200
dungeons and dragons absolutely yeah

1631
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,640
absolutely

1632
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,400
my party members have met so many

1633
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,720
generic gruff men

1634
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,720
[Laughter]

1635
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,040
um

1636
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,880
i finally left the generic craft women

1637
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,880
sound quite similar unfortunately

1638
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,280
uh yes i don't know what your guys takes

1639
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,720
are on on voice acting on how to maybe

1640
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,359
if people want to flex that muscle a bit

1641
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,559
more how can they approach that if they

1642
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:23,520
if it's something they want to do but

1643
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:26,720
again maybe aren't quite there yet uh

1644
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,760
and how you feel it impacts the game as

1645
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,520
a

1646
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,280
narrative

1647
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,359
thing

1648
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,440
david said to us when we did our session

1649
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:37,760
zeros which ended up being episode one

1650
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,400
and two he said for that if you want to

1651
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:43,440
try an accent do it it doesn't mean you

1652
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,359
have to do it and that was really lovely

1653
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,280
because i wasn't sure whether i wanted

1654
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:49,359
to have a like

1655
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,040
like a junior voice

1656
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:53,040
but because he was like you know you

1657
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,960
don't you don't have to commit to it you

1658
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,119
can just give it a go and

1659
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,880
i think you sort of you get to know

1660
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,720
sometimes it's right sometimes it's not

1661
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,880
right and

1662
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:05,760
for me i was like oh yeah this is juna's

1663
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,520
voice but equally it might not have been

1664
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,920
but it was nice to go just try it for

1665
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,359
one or like if you were someone who was

1666
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,280
a bit more like oh god i'm gonna try

1667
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:15,839
this accent it might come out complete

1668
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:18,000
rubbish but to you know maybe like today

1669
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:20,240
i'm going to try a voice it might go

1670
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,760
well it might not and just sort of flag

1671
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,359
it up and then if you start doing a

1672
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,040
voice and fade it out halfway through

1673
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:27,200
the session no one's going to be like

1674
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,160
what is going on with that character

1675
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:33,760
it's just you know it's all part of the

1676
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:36,640
building on the story stuff isn't it and

1677
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:39,359
yeah for me like the first dnd game i

1678
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:43,599
ever played with david diem and um and i

1679
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:44,799
made a wood elf ranger perrin who i love

1680
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,480
um

1681
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:49,520
but like i remember in the first session

1682
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,520
like he didn't have a voice

1683
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,040
well we have to do voices as well like

1684
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,359
everyone else everyone else was like

1685
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,280
much more experienced like role players

1686
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:01,200
and d d players it felt like or most

1687
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,240
people were apart from me and sarah like

1688
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,079
knew what they're doing and everyone

1689
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,960
suddenly like chris was there doing his

1690
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:10,480
like obi-wan kenobi voice and vicky was

1691
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:13,839
suddenly like busting out voices a thick

1692
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,839
cod spanish accent

1693
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,480
this sort of juggling knife throwing

1694
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:19,280
kind of uh dwarf right yeah

1695
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,559
yeah

1696
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,160
um

1697
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:23,599
but then i remember the second i think

1698
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,359
it was the second session maybe i was

1699
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,599
just like he's going to be west country

1700
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:29,599
like just just go big broad west country

1701
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,839
kind of voice and

1702
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:33,920
i just remembered for me like i just

1703
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:36,079
started enjoying the character so much

1704
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,480
more because it just suddenly felt

1705
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:40,880
separate and sort of like

1706
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,000
it was a uh a quick route into kind of

1707
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,440
creating a bit of a character that then

1708
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,880
hopefully has sort of deepened a bit and

1709
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,040
sort of developed a bit as it's gone

1710
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,040
along but it was it was a helpful

1711
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,559
shortcut to start off but do you think

1712
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,640
as grace says like

1713
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:54,559
you don't need a you type you don't have

1714
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,680
to but like it also doesn't have to be

1715
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,520
you don't have to be good at accents or

1716
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,480
anything like that if you just are like

1717
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,160
okay actually he

1718
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,400
i don't know talks in the third person

1719
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,400
or he's a little bit talks faster than

1720
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,000
me or slower than me or

1721
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,319
whatever it is like just a little

1722
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,440
something i just think is is a nice way

1723
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:15,280
of just differentiating and just helps

1724
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,200
helps you get into it a little more i

1725
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,200
find helps you think like for example if

1726
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,799
you're having a conversation

1727
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,559
like say you're talking about what

1728
01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:24,079
you're going to do next

1729
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:26,319
if you start having that conversation as

1730
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:29,200
you the player you can kind of get a bit

1731
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:31,599
metagamy whereas if you're doing it a

1732
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:34,000
bit more in character then it's easier

1733
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:35,839
to access like thinking oh what would my

1734
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,680
character do okay

1735
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:39,680
my character would say this so i'm gonna

1736
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,440
say that and that and rather than kind

1737
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,240
of overthinking it too much you can kind

1738
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,400
of

1739
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,640
access being in your character a bit

1740
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,559
better like doing a voice can help that

1741
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,319
it can really help you get into that if

1742
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,839
you're looking for a kind of crutch to

1743
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:53,680
how do i get into my character then

1744
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:55,440
giving them a voice is something really

1745
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,400
useful i mean for us like obviously

1746
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,559
we're a podcast so having clear

1747
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,200
different voices is just useful for our

1748
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:06,400
listeners and it's also more interesting

1749
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:08,240
i think as well but for home games it

1750
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:11,039
can just be like

1751
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:13,200
in in our other home game uh within um

1752
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:14,880
that we do with our circus uh my whole

1753
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:19,280
character was based off the accent

1754
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:22,160
because i am a very charming

1755
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:25,200
gnome bard and obviously my surname is

1756
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:28,640
jones because i am gregor jones and like

1757
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:31,599
the whole character came from that voice

1758
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:34,160
but i wouldn't have had it any other way

1759
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:35,839
yeah yeah that's there's love

1760
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,240
one good friend of mine

1761
01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:40,960
who was the one i mentioned uh that i

1762
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,799
started playing d d with and his anytime

1763
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,400
he starts a new character the rest of us

1764
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:47,359
at the table you could have collectively

1765
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,839
just hold our breath for what

1766
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:51,039
wonderful voice he is going to grace us

1767
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:52,319
with

1768
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,920
this session

1769
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:57,599
um he does

1770
01:03:53,920 --> 01:04:00,240
a stellar sean connery

1771
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:02,960
which is a very interesting to play

1772
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,960
opposite uh

1773
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,720
i think something you said there grace

1774
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,559
about overthinking it that's something i

1775
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,400
personally do probably a little bit too

1776
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,200
much and i really need to get rid of

1777
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,920
that

1778
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,839
hang up of being like okay

1779
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,599
what do i want to say in this situation

1780
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:20,000
rather than just letting it kind of it's

1781
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:24,319
just happening in the moment

1782
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:26,240
which i find easier to do as a dm

1783
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:27,680
because i think the stakes are slightly

1784
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,640
lower with

1785
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,760
nine out of ten npcs in in a given

1786
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,039
campaign

1787
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,160
rather than my

1788
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:36,480
my baby

1789
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,520
who's who's you know he's got the stakes

1790
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,079
are through the roof because he don't

1791
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,680
want to die so

1792
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,790
but generic shopkeeper a he can be as

1793
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,599
flippant as he wants

1794
01:04:42,790 --> 01:04:47,520
[Laughter]

1795
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:48,880
well yeah i was gonna i was gonna say

1796
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,520
like for especially

1797
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,400
from a dm perspective like it is worth

1798
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,480
having

1799
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,720
like ideas of different voices for

1800
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,280
different characters but ultimately as

1801
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,480
long as you're you're talking as them

1802
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,079
like the players will completely

1803
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,839
understand what you're saying and if you

1804
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:08,000
happen to sound like the same guy from

1805
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:10,480
two towns over like it's not an issue

1806
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,359
um if anything it can be quite funny we

1807
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,960
had a

1808
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:15,520
situation where

1809
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,839
um a few episodes ago the whole party

1810
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,760
decided to go to a posh house that i

1811
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:20,720
hadn't really prepared

1812
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,160
um

1813
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:26,400
and uh the the the housemaid came out

1814
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,559
and she was west country uh because

1815
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,480
that's how she was talking and uh

1816
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:33,119
apparently all housekeepers are west

1817
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,880
country now uh like basically i fell

1818
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,880
back on a different housekeeper that

1819
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,319
they'd already met a few episodes ago

1820
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,280
before that

1821
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:41,839
so

1822
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,160
now it's a thing that housekeepers sound

1823
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:45,520
with a west country voice um doesn't

1824
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,760
help of course that the west country

1825
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,839
accent when juna starts talking

1826
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,280
is so

1827
01:05:48,839 --> 01:05:52,640
addictive uh it's really hard to like

1828
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,559
fight against it

1829
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,319
but yeah something i struggled with for

1830
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,760
all of those like on the fly characters

1831
01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:59,520
it really doesn't matter as long as

1832
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,400
you've got the right the

1833
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:04,880
the attitude of that character

1834
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,880
any voice okay like you can you can slap

1835
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,480
anything on it and and everyone at the

1836
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,640
table is going to have a good time

1837
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:13,119
mm-hmm yes i think sorry ben mentioned

1838
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:16,000
about the the almost the mannerisms the

1839
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:18,640
foy balls are probably more important

1840
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,760
than you know how they yeah

1841
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,119
how they approach the party how they you

1842
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,880
know the words they use maybe they have

1843
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:26,240
a phrase maybe they end each sentence

1844
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,280
with

1845
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,720
like

1846
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,839
yeah

1847
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,039
in it

1848
01:06:30,839 --> 01:06:36,400
yeah maybe they don't pronounce their

1849
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:38,079
t's like yeah yeah yeah and

1850
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,079
if you're if you're struggling to like

1851
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:41,599
make a decision about those things like

1852
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:43,680
fall back on

1853
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:46,400
what does the character want

1854
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,640
because say it's a sneaky character uh

1855
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,480
like again coming from like an npc

1856
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:53,119
perspective like if they're trying to

1857
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,400
approach the party in like a hushed way

1858
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,839
they're probably going to be talking a

1859
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,039
little bit softer

1860
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:59,440
like they're not going to be walking up

1861
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:01,839
to be like hello how's it going i've got

1862
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,839
crime

1863
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:07,680
i want to meet that in dc now

1864
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:11,039
i've got red crime i've got blue crime

1865
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:13,359
i've got all the crime yeah going quick

1866
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:15,839
so yeah like having an idea of like

1867
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:17,599
uh from a from a player perspective like

1868
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:20,480
an idea of what it is that your

1869
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:23,119
character wants all together can kind of

1870
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,599
like trim such a show-off and so he had

1871
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:27,760
a really showy-offy voice didn't he yeah

1872
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:29,839
yeah so yeah like it can it can help

1873
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,280
guide how your character sounds yeah

1874
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:33,200
that's there's so many things to play

1875
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,680
with there's accent there's softness

1876
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:38,640
there's speech pattern there

1877
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:40,839
so much uh vocal tics like

1878
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,000
tempo as well

1879
01:07:40,839 --> 01:07:44,319
yeah characters

1880
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,200
they use like maybe they use lots of big

1881
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:50,400
words um maybe they use like maybe they

1882
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:52,559
just say like one word at a time

1883
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,520
like there's so much to play with it's

1884
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:56,799
not just accent

1885
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,160
the other thing is like just just

1886
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:00,400
picking up just slightly on the back of

1887
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,480
that is like that that it's a slightly

1888
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,160
improv thing of like just sort of lean

1889
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,680
into any happy accents if you start

1890
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,200
saying something as a character and it's

1891
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,319
like not at all what you thought it was

1892
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,839
going to be and it's all gone a bit

1893
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:11,760
wrong and sounds like it's come out

1894
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:13,920
weird like okay maybe that's how the

1895
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,119
character yeah again that's what they do

1896
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,199
like they

1897
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,640
they say things in a certain way or like

1898
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,080
you know they get things

1899
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,319
certain things wrong and like that can

1900
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,920
become a little character that like

1901
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,359
they don't know the meaning of two

1902
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,880
different words or something or you know

1903
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:29,120
or they get you know

1904
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,719
uh get things in a model like lean into

1905
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:34,480
it if something comes along

1906
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:34,480
the best ideas can come from mistakes

1907
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,359
and and it kind of comes back to a

1908
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,679
previous question like i think one of

1909
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:44,960
the things from being performers is that

1910
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:47,520
we like when people laugh at us it like

1911
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,880
fuels us to go further and i think you

1912
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,400
know it's

1913
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,799
it's you sort of forget that if you're

1914
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,279
not a performer that fear of people

1915
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:56,799
laughing at you can be quite inhibiting

1916
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:58,799
and it's almost like if everyone's

1917
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,960
laughing at what you're doing

1918
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:03,839
do it more like that sort of your your

1919
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,560
road map to where to go rather than what

1920
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:09,279
to sort of pull away from

1921
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,040
yeah my my friend jamie who featured on

1922
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,640
the mistakes episode in that episode he

1923
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,880
put it quite well and that dnd is a

1924
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,400
series of mistakes

1925
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,719
happy accidents

1926
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,640
the whole game is pretty much

1927
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:22,960
being on part the dm beyond part of the

1928
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,440
players or the npcs like it's it's a

1929
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,839
series of unfortunate events strung into

1930
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:30,799
some compelling narrative by

1931
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:32,960
the with the will of the ether um

1932
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:34,000
and the dice the

1933
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,839
like dice

1934
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,080
it back to what david said earlier like

1935
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:39,920
if you fail like you're a super

1936
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,799
charismatic character and you roll a one

1937
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,279
like

1938
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:45,279
you know again lean into that like

1939
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,560
what have you said what's this massive

1940
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,000
clanger you've just dropped into that

1941
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,560
conversation that's like killed the

1942
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,600
conversation dead or like

1943
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,239
you know

1944
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,360
embrace embrace the failure

1945
01:09:54,239 --> 01:10:00,000
that's a a very excellent segue into my

1946
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:02,480
next thought which is of course

1947
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,880
one of the skills in the fifth edition

1948
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:06,880
character sheet is performance

1949
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,400
and i wanted to

1950
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,000
get your

1951
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,159
temperature on

1952
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,000
whether that skill is

1953
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:16,640
like loaded in a certain way for you

1954
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,080
guys i i'm struggling to you know put it

1955
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,600
in a way that makes sense but obviously

1956
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,840
to us

1957
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,360
regular folk and you know

1958
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,640
sat behind a computer for eight hours a

1959
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,600
day um

1960
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,960
it's it's it kind of it feels it falls

1961
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,560
in the milieu of all the other of you

1962
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,440
know i'm no more an acrobat that i am a

1963
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,719
performer i'm no more a weightlifter

1964
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,000
than i am

1965
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:37,199
bear grylls

1966
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,520
um

1967
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:40,880
but obviously you your profession is

1968
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,040
performance

1969
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,640
so i wanted to know whether that had any

1970
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,800
kind of yeah just just extra

1971
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:49,520
connotations there that

1972
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,120
other people might not be aware of

1973
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,719
it's made me terrified to ever play a

1974
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,000
bar

1975
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:56,000
i feel like

1976
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,520
the pressure is would be enormous i

1977
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,120
think yeah so yeah oh i don't know

1978
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,360
there's another there's another

1979
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:05,440
character i play who is terrible at

1980
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,920
performance and as a performer it's

1981
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:10,800
almost like a real like relish

1982
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:14,159
so this is this sort of thick character

1983
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:16,719
and she was told a joke by a depressed

1984
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:19,679
clown so her version of humor was

1985
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:21,840
insulting people and you know like

1986
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:23,760
there's it's almost like

1987
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,480
like going away from

1988
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,719
some like our job is performing but our

1989
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:30,480
character's performance is terrible but

1990
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:34,000
then they're trying to perform there's

1991
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:36,159
sort of almost like a sick thrill out of

1992
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,640
leaning into the rubbish stats like what

1993
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:39,600
ben was saying earlier

1994
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,440
i don't know if that answers the

1995
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,600
question but that just was my thought

1996
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:45,679
that came into my head

1997
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,679
yeah there's more stakes as well because

1998
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:49,760
you know performance performing to put

1999
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:50,960
on the show and like it's a routine like

2000
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,320
we did this show tonight and we'll be

2001
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,760
back tomorrow night and the night after

2002
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,360
and we get paid and we go and tour and

2003
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,199
there's an audience that love it usually

2004
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,560
you put on a performance because i know

2005
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:00,480
your mates need to sneak around the back

2006
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,440
or something so there are stakes to it

2007
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,440
so of course you're going to be

2008
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,120
terrifying when the dean goes you want

2009
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:08,239
to do make a performance check and

2010
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,840
you're like oh no

2011
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:11,840
because you know what happens you know

2012
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,960
what the stakes are yeah

2013
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,480
and it's a it's another

2014
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:19,120
it's another check it's another game

2015
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:21,199
mechanic rather than it for me at least

2016
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,920
rather than it being loaded with well

2017
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:26,480
this is where i inject myself into this

2018
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,960
one check amazing do or die

2019
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:32,400
it's again like ben said it's a the dice

2020
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:34,560
are a much bigger factor than any trait

2021
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,760
i could bring to that if that makes

2022
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,320
sense

2023
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:41,040
and it's like our job as actors is like

2024
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,800
professional lying essentially

2025
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,880
but that doesn't mean that actors are

2026
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,560
good liars you're right in their real

2027
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,360
life

2028
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,360
or are we

2029
01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:55,020
[Laughter]

2030
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:02,320
like suggestion perhaps that uh the

2031
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,400
performance skill

2032
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,080
kind of refers to

2033
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,159
maybe it's just me like a musical

2034
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,520
performance mm-hmm like but again

2035
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,760
because it seems to be a lot of bards

2036
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,440
that it's well like you associate it

2037
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,719
with bards that then

2038
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,080
sort of that then follows through that

2039
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:18,000
maybe there's probably an instrument

2040
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,520
involved or singing or something but

2041
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:22,560
yeah like daryl says like the

2042
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:24,480
performance can be anything like that

2043
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,760
but it can just be a full distraction

2044
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,040
like that doesn't have to be a deception

2045
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,880
or a persuasion or anything like that

2046
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:32,880
could be a performance

2047
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:36,320
yeah so yeah like i feel like in real

2048
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:39,280
life people are performing in a lot more

2049
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:41,199
capacities and they necessarily realize

2050
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,360
and so like yeah having that moment in

2051
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:45,600
game of a performance especially when

2052
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,199
it's not tied to i'm on a stage i'm

2053
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,719
commanding a crowd

2054
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:50,000
i mean that crowd can literally be two

2055
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:51,199
guards whilst your friends think around

2056
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,560
the back

2057
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,800
it's uh

2058
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:57,120
there are actually a lot more uses to to

2059
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:59,360
the idea of performance than

2060
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,520
than are like yeah inherently biased in

2061
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,920
it

2062
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,760
just just from as i said my my office

2063
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,960
day job sometimes dealing with uh

2064
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:10,159
colleagues requires a certain level of

2065
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,320
performance

2066
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:15,360
i mean anyone that's got like a a call

2067
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:17,040
center job like that is pure performance

2068
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,650
trying to sound like you're interested

2069
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,280
in this person's problems like

2070
01:14:18,650 --> 01:14:23,199
[Laughter]

2071
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,640
but also in the context of dnd like i

2072
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,960
guess it can come into all sorts of

2073
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:29,679
different ways like if you're a really

2074
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:32,719
skilled sword

2075
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:33,840
smith that's not a word is it swords

2076
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:36,719
swords

2077
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:40,800
man yeah swordsman swordsmanship smear

2078
01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:42,960
swords personally makes them smooth

2079
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,960
no

2080
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:56,560
[Laughter]

2081
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,600
but if you're really good with a sword

2082
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:10,080
fixes in post it's fine

2083
01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:12,159
[Laughter]

2084
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:14,320
then um that the performance could be

2085
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:16,640
like i put on a dazzling performance

2086
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,239
with my sword and and then your dm's

2087
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,280
like rob performance like it doesn't

2088
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,159
have to be

2089
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,840
i

2090
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:24,880
sing a song and now actually sing a song

2091
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:28,320
at the table or you know actually do a

2092
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:30,880
dance or whatever it is play the ukulele

2093
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:32,800
yeah i always try to lean on the lesser

2094
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,719
used skills more for those kind of

2095
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:37,760
situations so i think in my game one of

2096
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:40,400
my players who's a bug bear said it's a

2097
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,920
he's a big gross monster dude

2098
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,740
tries his best

2099
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,719
he wears a hood

2100
01:15:42,740 --> 01:15:49,280
[Laughter]

2101
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:51,440
he was pretending to sneak into a

2102
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:54,719
masquerade party at the front gate to

2103
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:56,560
the guard by pretending to be like uh

2104
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:58,800
the charity for buck bears against

2105
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,159
adventurers kind of thing like knock

2106
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,440
knock we're knocking on your door can

2107
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:02,560
you let's see

2108
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:04,239
we know that

2109
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,840
the owner of this mansion's like mega

2110
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:07,679
rich so we want to come and try and get

2111
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,360
some of his patronage and that was that

2112
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:11,679
was a prime example there of i think

2113
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,760
confusing sounds super modest but uh of

2114
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:15,120
using performance there is

2115
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,679
there wasn't even more rating it was

2116
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,719
professional lying as i said

2117
01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:20,080
yeah

2118
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:21,840
and of course there's always where you

2119
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,679
mix up skills with the

2120
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,120
the ability that they're not innately

2121
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:26,640
linked with so instead of performance

2122
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,719
charisma you could do performance

2123
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,679
dexterity for maybe your swordsmanship

2124
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:34,560
dancing smithery

2125
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:34,560
performance yeah

2126
01:16:35,230 --> 01:16:45,840
[Laughter]

2127
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,360
um

2128
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,960
okay so

2129
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:51,520
i don't know if anyone had any other

2130
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:53,040
kind of burning thoughts or kind of

2131
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,120
nuggets of

2132
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,920
wholesome insight

2133
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,880
that anybody had on the topic of acting

2134
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,199
within

2135
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,199
d d

2136
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:06,880
hmm

2137
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,440
well if we've we've mined your wholesome

2138
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,280
inside nuggets

2139
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:14,719
daryl any more wisdom for us i've got

2140
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,480
i've got a little one like if i if i may

2141
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:18,960
and i think it's i think it was one of

2142
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:21,120
my improv teachers who who'd said this

2143
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:23,040
and i'm apologies to whichever one it

2144
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,560
was that said it but they said like that

2145
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,600
i just think is useful like listen like

2146
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,320
a thief

2147
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,360
like listen which is something an improv

2148
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,480
you're like you're looking for the

2149
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,320
little game and you're looking for the

2150
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,679
little nuggets and stuff and i think

2151
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,280
that's something

2152
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:38,320
that's like useful also to think about

2153
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,920
in d d like listen like a thief like

2154
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,440
what what's the other character saying

2155
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:44,400
that you can kind of

2156
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:47,199
pick up on and like use or ask question

2157
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,000
about or you know develop in some way

2158
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,679
yeah

2159
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,000
that's my little nugget

2160
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:54,560
as a i encourage that but as a dm that

2161
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,560
scares me

2162
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:00,080
maybe not to your dm

2163
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:02,480
and certainly when they're not talking

2164
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,679
in character don't do that that's mean

2165
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:06,159
they'll be like well actually last

2166
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:07,600
session you said

2167
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,120
you said there were three goldfish now

2168
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:12,000
there's only two so

2169
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,960
where's the third goldfish go on dave

2170
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,239
we've got to find out what's happened to

2171
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,800
the goldfish there's a whole there's a

2172
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:19,679
whole plot about the garbage no

2173
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,400
goldfish the worm sorry

2174
01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:26,199
now that that is professional line

2175
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,199
players that's it

2176
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:31,679
uh anything else for anyone else

2177
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:33,280
go on daryl take us home

2178
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:36,640
now you're on the spot

2179
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:40,120
i am on the spot um

2180
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,120
i want to be crying

2181
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,960
emotional speech emotional speech

2182
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,440
um

2183
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:53,040
listen to what's being offered

2184
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:55,360
offer when there's opportunity to do so

2185
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:58,400
don't be afraid to take a risk be bold

2186
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,400
no choice too small

2187
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,800
and

2188
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,640
and have fun and don't be embarrassed

2189
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,199
about expressing

2190
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:10,080
something that is

2191
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:12,159
uniquely yours which everyone has um

2192
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,880
loads of people will say like oh i can't

2193
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:16,080
act i mean like it you can it's not like

2194
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a chosen

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magical ability that only chose if you

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have like like all of us here in

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,560
multiple roles be trained to learn how

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to act we had some idea of what it was

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then we paid money time and blood and

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01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:30,960
tears to learn how to do it and it's a

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skill that we could turn on and off but

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01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,960
everyone can do it and it's just a

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01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:38,080
matter of

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01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:40,560
just giving it a go and um and trust in

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01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,800
yourself that it's fine it's safe the

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01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:45,600
world doesn't end if you if you're not

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01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,719
satisfied with what you bring but

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01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,400
you go to

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01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:50,880
play d d because you have something to

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01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:53,440
bring and it's your chance to

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01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,960
give it so give it

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[Music]

2213
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,640
thank you very much

2214
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,080
oh my god and one final thought if you

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:03,480
sat on a table singing a song don't

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01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,480
swing your legs

2217
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,719
if i could just add one last thing

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that even at a table where you're all

2219
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:20,639
playing a game together there might be

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01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:24,560
some small parts

2221
01:20:20,639 --> 01:20:24,560
but there are no small roles yes

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that's it

2223
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:33,600
that's the one

2224
01:20:30,639 --> 01:20:35,600
you you guys are a treasure because my

2225
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:38,480
following question is is of course is

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01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,880
there anything you would like to plug

2227
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,880
yes

2228
01:20:42,639 --> 01:20:47,760
yeah cheers

2229
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:49,679
if you've enjoyed listening to us um

2230
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,239
chat today then please do check out our

2231
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:54,239
podcast it is no small roles you can

2232
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:56,000
find us on twitter and instagram at no

2233
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:58,400
small roles you can search for us on

2234
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,679
facebook by searching no small roles you

2235
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:03,920
can search on google you'll find

2236
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:03,920
pictures of toilet roll and bread um

2237
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:08,239
no you do actually now you google us we

2238
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:10,000
do actually come up uh much sooner than

2239
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,920
we used to which is great very exciting

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01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,520
it's a very exciting day when when

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01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:17,360
google started showing pictures of us

2242
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,360
rather than just literally roles

2243
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:22,320
just endless bread rolls are like bread

2244
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,000
i want to know the kind of person that

2245
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:29,000
searches for small roles and why they

2246
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,000
need

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01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:48,960
[Laughter]

2248
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,639
sorry grace you're promoting our podcast

2249
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,199
and you can basically find us on pretty

2250
01:21:50,639 --> 01:21:54,880
much every podcasting app if we're not

2251
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:56,719
on it then tell us and we'll try and

2252
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,480
make sure that we get on it and we're

2253
01:21:56,719 --> 01:21:59,840
also on spotify you can find us on

2254
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,520
youtube

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01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,080
um we've got a website we've got a

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01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:07,080
website now as well haven't we yeah

2257
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,080
www.nosmalrolls.com

2258
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:12,800
is that correct correct

2259
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:15,040
i think we've got a discord now as well

2260
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,760
we do have a discord uh i still don't

2261
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,760
understand it

2262
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,719
but daryl knows it

2263
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,880
i'm gonna like my discord has been

2264
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:27,120
pinging throughout this whole interview

2265
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:30,480
i'm on it all the time um yeah we have a

2266
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:34,320
discord um the link will be made um

2267
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:35,679
very shortly when it's ready lovely yeah

2268
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,280
all the links everything will be in the

2269
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:40,400
in the episode description of this so

2270
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,920
should anyone yeah i'll find it um

2271
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,560
guys thank you

2272
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:47,040
ever ever so much uh for a really super

2273
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,560
super duper awesome episode it was a

2274
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,360
hell of a lot of fun so thank you all

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01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,960
for

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01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,960
spending your evening with

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01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,800
thank you

2278
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:02,480
and yeah oh that's left i don't have a

2279
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,480
catchy outro like you guys

2280
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,840
i need to hire more friends

2281
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,920
there we go

2282
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,960
uh yeah all that's left to say is thank

2283
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:18,080
you everybody for listening and uh good

2284
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:22,920
night

2285
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,920
and we'll think critically next time

2286
01:23:26,150 --> 01:23:31,300
[Music]

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