Feb. 4, 2022

Music


This melodic episode I'm joined by Stuart, a.k.a. Thisisbardcore, to talk about music and ambience in your TTRPG games. We break down the three primary ways games can be played and how they change what options are available to you as a GM, such as forced diegetic sounds courtesy of your local FLGS! I discuss my failed attempted at merging K-Pop and D&D, along with my several wasted hour curating now-redundant playlists. Stuart explains the trials and tribulations of being a modern day bard; when a PC is a little too good a reflection of the player.

  • 01:24 - The Vitality of Music
  • 07:37 - Applications of Sound
  • 18:51 - Ambience Versus Immersion
  • 29:16 - Genre Wars
  • 34:13 - The Dangers of Art Imitating Life
  • 39:27 - This Is Bardcore
  • 47:22 - Making it as a Creator

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Intro Music: 'Local Forecast' by Kevin MacLeod
Intermission Music: 'Chill' by Kevin MacLeod
Outro Music: 'Local Forecast - Elevator' by Kevin MacLeod

Transcript

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welcome thinkers to season 3 episode 15

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of thinking critically today's topic is

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music

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today i'm joined by stuart also

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known as this is bard core thank you

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ever so much for joining us today stuart

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can you tell us a little bit about

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yourself absolutely my name is stuart i

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am a musician

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content creator i suppose although i'm

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not particularly fond of that term i

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make music i make covers of music in a

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in a genre that's known as bard core so

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essentially covers of popular songs in

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the style of a bard but because i'm a

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ttrpg nerd i put elements of fantasy and

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ttrpg into my songs i'm also a composer

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and i can post some ttrpg music and uh

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podcaster as well i'll take part in a an

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actual play podcast and mainly i post

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bad jokes and dad jokes on twitter

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that's supposed mainly what i do

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that's your primary performance

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profession is yes bad dad jokes

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[Laughter]

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awesome so today's topic is

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appropriately enough music

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so what it what does that word mean to

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you in the d and wider ttrpg framework

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right well essentially i've i got back

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into ttrpg

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like a lot of people did about 18 months

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ago to coming up to two years ago when

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the world ended

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and whenever i get back

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i used to play d d 30 years ago when i

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was a kid but whenever i get into any

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kind of hobby inevitably i will find a

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way to put my expertise as a musician

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into that so i i studied music when i

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was younger i make a living as a music

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teacher i was a performer pretty

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pandemic

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so i was looking at ways where i could

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transplant my musical skills

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into ttrpg and i came across

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the genre of bad call which was my first

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foray and it's it's ttrpg adjacent

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rather than ttrpg music but through that

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discovered

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a whole community of composers who were

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composing music for for role-playing

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games

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the industry around rpgs is

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as well you know is huge the number of

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people that are creating

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content that are creating

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tools

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creating

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assets for for others to use in their

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games is huge so i came across this

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whole world of people that were creating

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music some of them were creating it

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releasing it on spotify others were

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releasing it via patreon and other such

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platforms

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and generally speaking i was absolutely

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blown away by the the quality of the

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music that these people were creating

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i always consider myself a skilled

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musician i've been doing this for a long

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time but some of the people i've i've

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come into

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contact they're just unbelievable we're

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talking cinematic quality music yes

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that's being produced by

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someone in their in their tiny home

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studio

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and then they get and then they're

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putting this music out there for for

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people to use you know for either ad for

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free or for a small cost um some

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absolutely phenomenal stuff now

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in terms of how how i feel it impacts

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i'm i'm in a strange position of being a

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musician in the ttrpg sphere who hasn't

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really experienced a great deal of music

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within my playing life

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okay so i will be playing my first

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in-person game of pathfinder in two

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weeks time right and that'll be the

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first time i've played in person for

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like i say for 30 years but i mean so i

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think that you know music in an

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in-person setting

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is all is

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absolutely vital i can't think the idea

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of sitting in a in a silent room and

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just playing

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d and d or pathfinder or whatever

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without any kind of music playing would

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seem really odd because in what other

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situation do you get together with your

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mates

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and not have somebody you know you go to

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a bar there's some background music you

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go around to someone's house having a

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chat you put some music on there's

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always something on in the background so

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the idea is sitting

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and not having music in the background

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would be i think it feel really awkward

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yeah and then the flip side of that is

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i did experience an in-person game so

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it's it's slightly uh

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it's just a white lie to say that in two

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weeks time is my first in-person game i

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a friend of mine run a a game for some

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kids

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and we run it in a in a bar

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food venue in manchester and they

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obviously play music because they're

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they're a social venue and the music

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that they played was the type of music

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that they play in a bar on a sunday

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afternoon absolutely not conducive to a

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fantasy environment

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it takes you out it takes it takes you

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out of the immersion in the game so

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i can really see that having the music

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there

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is vital and having the right music is

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vital yes so having played having played

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they've been a few occasions where dms

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that i've played with

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through the virtual tabletop have played

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some backing music

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i'll be honest sometimes i turn the

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volume of it right down because it can

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be quite intrusive

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but other times it absolutely adds to

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the experience and i think probably more

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so because you're playing online

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so if i can give an example

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i'm currently playing in two long-term

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campaigns one of them is a curse of

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stride campaign yeah i don't i don't

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know whether you've ever played stride i

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know that you're uh you prefer your

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homebrew stuff rather than oh yeah

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pre-written modules

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but i'm playing strad at the moment

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during one of our one of our sessions

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the dm played some

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some ambient music that was

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that was happening in the game so not

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just background music to to to make this

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i see yeah in universe music in universe

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music yeah so

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i should know the words we call it

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diegetic music i think we call it i

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think i think we do yeah oh big big

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words for a sunday morning

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and in that circumstance sitting in my

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in my little studio where i am now which

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is the smallest room in the house it's a

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tiny room it's like two meters by three

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meters with a pair of headphones on at

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11 o'clock at night when everyone else

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has gone to bed and all of a sudden this

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creepy chanting starts coming down

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things that playing online gives you

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that playing in person probably won't

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ever give you i don't think that the

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music could be could ever be as

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immersive playing in person as it could

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oh wow and that was that purely because

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you're sitting at home alone is that is

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i think he's sitting at home alone also

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you've got headphones on so it's that

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it's it is literally physically more

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immersive because the you are

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music how about do do you use music in

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environments i guess that you've

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mentioned there so we've got in-person

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private games like at someone's

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home

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friendly neighborhood local gaming store

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or you know a board game cafe or or a

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bar on a friday sunday afternoon um and

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experience in playing and running all

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three and each have their own

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pros and cons when it comes to

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adding so i firstly i completely agree

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and say that i

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i couldn't play without

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music or at least i would rather play

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the ability to have some kind of

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background music

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even you know i i when i first started

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dming i spent way more time than i

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should have done putting together

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spotify playlists for like his just you

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know miscellaneous adventuring quote

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adventuring in the dungeon his combat

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here's a spooky combat here's a sad

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combat here's some sad music so i ended

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up with like 10 different playlists each

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of which are like two hours long with

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all sorts of music from

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video games and films and so on and so

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so i really loved being like when i when

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you know here here it is i made an intro

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song that is like the theme song for the

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for my homebrew campaign that

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was really much a

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a dm's tool to be like the game is now

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beginning everybody so

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stop looking at facebook because

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this is the time to play uh

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and also set the tone and the theme and

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it works

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i think it works better in person than

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if only for the reason that you can put

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equidistant from everybody else

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that although the dm or whoever's

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talking has to talk over to a certain

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extent it's not literally the same

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discord i tried a whole bunch of

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support spotify or you have to pay or

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it's a little bit iffy when it comes to

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licensing and so on and so on but

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obviously they appear in the discord

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channel as another user so in terms of

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like

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talking over them it's

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you know everybody has to go and manage

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and turn down that one particular user

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that's the bot all the way down so they

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can hear each other but then it's this

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is less control i would suppose from the

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from the dm's point of view because i've

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had you know i've been dming before and

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people are like oh there's music playing

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oh yeah because

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you know a month ago i muted that person

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because i didn't want to hear whatever

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it was and i'm like oh [ __ ] that's

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all that thematic build up wasted

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whereas if you're playing a person like

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i can hear it that means everybody can

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hear it

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so it's being played so

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oh and also i wanted to mention my my

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own musical chops um i did get to grade

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four uh on the trumpet wow probably

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about uh two decades ago so

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there you go that's we've reached the

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end of my musical expertise

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it's really interesting what you say

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though about using a piece of music in a

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live setting

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to set the tone so yeah i think this

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when we i'm i'm not a dm by any stretch

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of the imagination i have dm'd some

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games because

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i'm a creative person so once i started

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playing i had ideas for things that i

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would want to do so i've dm'd i've i've

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done bits of homebrew and when you're

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dming

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i assume that everyone is like me okay

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let's let's let's work on the basis that

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i'm making a huge assumption that

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everyone works in a similar way to me so

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we look for

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inspiration in lots and lots of places

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so we we get inspiration from art we get

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inspiration from film from tv from

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whatever from comics

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and from music

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and then what we might you know we might

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we might lay out an adventure that

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follows the narrative structure of a

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particular film that we like or

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we might

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design a an aesthetic to a place that's

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based on something and this the idea

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that we might have then a piece of music

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that's inspired us and by playing that

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piece of music we can transport our

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players and we could try and get our

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players into a similar mindset to where

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you were when you were creating the the

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adventure or creating the idea because

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it's music i think music

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more so than any other art form so it's

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gonna sound so pretentious now music has

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got the ability to manipulate people's

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emotions more than any other thing so

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you know

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it's no it's no big revelation to say

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that you know music in advertising has a

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massive impact on the way that people

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feel and has a massive impact on the way

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people react to

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an advert music in films you know

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there's some great resources great

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videos that i use in my day job to show

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how changing the music in a tv scene

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completely changes your perception of

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what's going on so by using that piece

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of music at the start of a session what

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you can hopefully do

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is manipulate your players into being in

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the right frame of mind to to to where

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you want them to be for your session

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mm-hmm yeah that is that is i mean i'm

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all for manipulating players so that's

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uh

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you know taking the right box out the

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gate

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but though like very much i wanted you

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know a recognizable theme

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song yeah that has this kind of air of

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you know

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impending adventure you know that ex

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that building excitement of yeah we're

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going on an adventure uh to quote

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another piece of media and um so that

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that has become very

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like tradition of the campaign and then

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for for a spell when we first moved to

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remote i we didn't have it for a bit

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which made me sad uh and then i managed

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to find a way to bring it back in and

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that was good again and it was like

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feeling it was like feeling back at home

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we're back we're back now this is this

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is this is the good times

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but yeah as i said i had many

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playlists and like literally i one is

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called sad

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and because easy for me as a dm to go

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you know npc's dying i want this to be

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like

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a tear jerker

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boom pop that one shuffle

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and that's doing half the heavy lifting

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for me in terms of like

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emotion and role-playing the players

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know

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to feel sad

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it sounds weird but so when you're dming

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and you're running a session are you

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sitting there with whatever your phone

399
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your ipad with spotify on and as part of

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your

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system you are swapping playlists on the

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fly as things are happening in the game

403
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yeah yep so back i mean i haven't done

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it in person for a long time

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unfortunately

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for various reasons i won't bore you

407
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with the details but uh yeah back in the

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day we had a huge table which was great

409
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to fit all seven of us around and yeah a

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bluetooth speaker uh i'd have my laptop

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open anyway which had all my notes on

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yeah we'll just connect you know the

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laptop

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and spotify playing device to that

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bluetooth speaker and yeah literally had

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all my playlists there uh okay double

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click wait for it to start

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welcome back adventurers to my homebrew

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campaign and then we'll talk through and

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then if they were in combat i'd go right

421
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where's the battle playlist double click

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and then immediately it's like clashing

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of swords and

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exciting battle music from films that i

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know

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all of us know like lord of the rings

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you know recognizable

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music that

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not only

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the music in isolation

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conveys a certain feeling in a certain

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sense but also the association with a

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piece of media as you said it has like

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another layer of oh i remember this it

435
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was from the battle of helms deep which

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is

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sick so i know exactly

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what the dm is trying to convey to me

439
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here

440
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this is what i hope had happened but

441
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yeah

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i'm sitting there lapped upon and it is

443
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you know a case of just changing their

444
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the spotify playlist essentially that's

445
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what i use i'm sure everybody else can

446
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use their own music player of choice but

447
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uh

448
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[Laughter]

449
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just in case it ends up on the bbc one

450
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day uh

451
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[Laughter]

452
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the bbc sounds player for all your ttrpg

453
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music needs

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um so yeah no i i literally just sit

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there and as i said now they've kind of

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fallen into disuse because

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playing remotely i haven't found an easy

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way to do it

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you know via a discord

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um and in person it was very little

461
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overhead just uh you know spotify was

462
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always open anyway so it's very little

463
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overhead on me as a dm to be like okay

464
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while they're all rolling initiative i

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can just double click this other

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playlist because i'm not really doing

467
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anything else anyway well they're all

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rolling their d20s

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whereas now it's like i have to go into

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this chat window and copy and paste and

471
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make sure this is clear and can everyone

472
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turn it up properly and is it not too

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loud and oh god it hasn't it's it's not

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got permissions and all this other stuff

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so

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for me there is a huge divide between

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in person and

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remote and also as as you said

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all the sound

480
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both people talking

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diegetic sound sound effects and the

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music is all coming through

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typically headsets or earphones so

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they're all kind of vying for the same

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space and the same attention whereas in

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an open room

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you can kind of

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talk over it and turn it down for

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everybody and and then just pause it

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whatever you need to do there's just

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it's

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i have also

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turned down the music that a dm has been

494
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playing in yeah

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when i've been playing remotely because

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i

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i don't really need this like it's fine

498
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i get it i'll just let me just crank

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that down a little bit which makes me

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feel horrible uh that's saying out loud

501
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now

502
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i just went through all that effort to

503
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being like here's all the effort i made

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and here's how important it is um

505
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but sometimes it's it's

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it is like i'd rather hear the people

507
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and i don't really want to have to fight

508
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over the music to to be able to hear

509
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them all all audio that's coming across

510
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uh coming across the internet though

511
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he's getting compressed so you've got

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all you've got all the compression of

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the the people's voices you've got all

514
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the compression of the music so

515
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everything just becomes a a carpet of

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sound you know yeah we're all kind of

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used to

518
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to playing online and constantly you

519
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,039
know oh no no no no you no you go you go

520
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talking over each other you know there's

521
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so much

522
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so much kind of neurotic politeness

523
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involved in the playing playing online

524
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yeah that the music can get in the way

525
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of that so

526
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i i imagine

527
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a majority of people are playing online

528
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where the dm has found a way to play

529
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music to them either through the virtual

530
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tabletop or discord or whatever i think

531
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the majority are probably turning it

532
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down if not off

533
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so

534
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don't feel bad about it don't feel bad

535
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you're not you're not a bad person for

536
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that reason damn

537
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and of course as the third medium that

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we discussed playing in person which i

539
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have done at a

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there's like a community driven

541
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not-for-profit place there in the in the

542
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city that i live and we played in there

543
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and obviously you're surrounded by

544
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you know three four other tables each

545
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playing their own

546
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ttrpg or board games or something

547
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and also when i recorded the

548
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quote-unquote live episode back at the

549
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tail end of

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season

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two

552
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might be one um that was in a

553
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yeah friendly local gaming store flgs

554
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and that was

555
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,799
the reason i recorded there was because

556
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,559
i wanted the background ambiance of

557
00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,080
all these these people talking and

558
00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:37,919
having their tg

559
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,440
rpg games and however in both of those

560
00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:41,440
cases

561
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,240
none of the games are playing music and

562
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,160
i just it is very interesting to me that

563
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,600
we've just spent best part 20 minutes

564
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,600
talking about how important it is and

565
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,960
why we like it and how it can change the

566
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,160
nature of the game and this that and the

567
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:56,559
other and yet there's a large portion of

568
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,160
people who prefer to play in these

569
00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:59,679
spaces that

570
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,320
basically it's very impractical to have

571
00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:04,000
music because and also very rude

572
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,919
because it's going to disturb

573
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,080
the three other games that are near you

574
00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:09,919
and obviously they get by

575
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,919
without it and so maybe just the

576
00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:13,360
background ambiance of the the store of

577
00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:16,640
the venue

578
00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:19,280
fills that gap do you think

579
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,960
i think so it's yeah i mean

580
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,600
is it worse than if you're playing in a

581
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,919
place and they are playing some

582
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,840
generic music rather than so like i said

583
00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:29,440
when we played in a bar the other week

584
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,120
or well or when i watched some people

585
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,200
playing in a bar the other week the

586
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,919
music that's being played is completely

587
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,080
not so so you kind of you just end up

588
00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:39,919
blanking it out as background music yeah

589
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,320
and it and it serves the same purpose

590
00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:43,760
then of just background chatter but you

591
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,520
know what if they play all of a sudden

592
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,960
they pull you know i'm trying to think

593
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,200
of a song that

594
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,360
some something comes on like living on a

595
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,640
prayer by bon jovi and why i've chosen

596
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,760
that song

597
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,520
you know that that's a song that

598
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,440
everyone knows it's a song that whether

599
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,960
on whether or not you like that song you

600
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,880
probably know the words to it whether or

601
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,640
not you like that song at some point in

602
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,120
your life you've probably sung along to

603
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,120
that song

604
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,320
you want your players sitting around the

605
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,080
table all of a sudden

606
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,000
shouting about all the halfway there you

607
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,240
know yeah

608
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,600
it's better to have no music i suppose

609
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,760
than to have

610
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,360
the wrong music to have music that's

611
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,520
going to completely take you out of it

612
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,520
and yeah i do think that

613
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,679
to go back to the the example i gave

614
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,520
before if you just chatting to friends

615
00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:29,120
and you put some background music on

616
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,320
you're not listening to the music that

617
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:34,799
music is just providing a sound bed yeah

618
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,120
your experience isn't it

619
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:39,600
so the the sound of other people playing

620
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,760
you know i i suppose you could you could

621
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,600
rationalize it and say that the the

622
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,159
background chatter of the other games

623
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,679
gives the ambience of a tavern and you

624
00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:49,360
know it makes you feel like whilst it's

625
00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:51,520
not necessarily

626
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:54,080
serving the action of the game it's

627
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:57,760
providing uh an ambiance which is

628
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,360
conducive to fantasy storytelling

629
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,740
good that's my sound bite for this

630
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:03,679
episode

631
00:21:59,740 --> 00:22:05,679
[Laughter]

632
00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:07,520
yeah so i mean

633
00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:08,799
it's obviously the times i've played in

634
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,720
person

635
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:15,120
i only only typically play with people i

636
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:17,360
know so i don't have a huge reason to go

637
00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,240
to play with strangers in these places

638
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,760
so

639
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,960
all those things consider this me i

640
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,400
don't really typically play in those

641
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,400
instances that much often no now that

642
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,159
isn't to say i might not ever uh and

643
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,840
then therefore we could rejoin this

644
00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:31,360
conversation uh and redo this

645
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,280
conversation once i've had a bit more

646
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:34,640
experience but it was

647
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,640
i would encourage everybody to listen to

648
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,400
that live episode which i'll link in the

649
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,240
description because you do get a really

650
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,200
good feel of the the kind of environment

651
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,880
to play in and it's a really interesting

652
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,080
contrast to what we've just discussed

653
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,120
around like

654
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,640
you know you're sitting alone in your

655
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,320
room you've got the headphones on and

656
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,760
it's you know you're really in the music

657
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,440
and it can make you know you can make

658
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,960
your players cry compared to like here's

659
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,200
a bubbly

660
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,440
happening place people coming and going

661
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,760
and i think it's a credit to the hobby i

662
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,080
suppose that you can

663
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,159
have both ends of those extremes and

664
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:09,840
everybody can still have a lot you know

665
00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:11,760
a really engaging and rewarding time

666
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,400
music as well i think music's the the

667
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:18,080
easiest thing that we can do to try and

668
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:20,000
make a a more immersive experience like

669
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,360
if if you play in person and you play

670
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:26,320
with with minis and terrain and those

671
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:28,480
kind of things that's

672
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,480
it's doable but

673
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,799
for a lot of people

674
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,159
to actually make immersive terrain to

675
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,960
actually have

676
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:39,520
3d dungeons and

677
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,400
really great well-painted minis and what

678
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,400
have you

679
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,840
it's a full-time job you know it really

680
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,520
is a full-time you know us there's a

681
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,360
couple of people that follow on youtube

682
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,159
because i am a i'm a minis painter as

683
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,679
well

684
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:52,000
and i follow a couple of people that

685
00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:53,840
make terrain and what have you and who

686
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,679
and people who make their living as

687
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,120
professional dms because one of the

688
00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:59,440
things that they do is provide that

689
00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:02,320
level of immersion and yeah you can do

690
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,559
that but you know short of

691
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,840
getting everyone to dress up

692
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:10,080
and having your sessions in a

693
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,960
castle or a you know

694
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,640
in a

695
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,039
in a suitable place

696
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:18,720
music is the easiest thing that that is

697
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:21,200
that can provide the most immersion

698
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,039
for the least amount of effort i suppose

699
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,559
yeah i'm talking about this like that

700
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:25,600
that's really important for some people

701
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,960
immersion

702
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,320
they're fully aware that they're playing

703
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,400
a game you know there's different types

704
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,320
of players i'm a role player that's

705
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,720
everyone anyone who ever plays with me

706
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,640
will know that i am first and foremost a

707
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,360
role player rather than a game player

708
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,279
yeah and for me that immersion is

709
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,279
brilliant because it means that i can

710
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,120
forget about stuart and i can just

711
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:48,080
inhabit my character

712
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:49,919
whereas for other people they play a

713
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,440
an rpg like they play a game like they

714
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:52,640
play a computer game they want to whiz

715
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,919
through they want to do the best that

716
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,200
they can they want the you know the

717
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:57,200
maximum amount of treasure for the

718
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320
minimum amount of minimum amount of

719
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,640
effort

720
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,840
and for those people immersion might not

721
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,080
be might not be important at all no no i

722
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,840
think that's a thing right like um one

723
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,360
recommendation would be to learn from

724
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,520
from my mistakes

725
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,520
as a dm and not spend hours and hours

726
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,600
and hours curating a bunch of playlists

727
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,440
if the majority of your players are how

728
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,279
you've just described but aren't you

729
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,640
know just slam on any old generic

730
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,760
youtube and i'll be fine in the

731
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,440
background that might turn it down

732
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,559
anyway and not download you don't need

733
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,120
to spend

734
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:29,279
a day's worth of effort trolling through

735
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,480
to find the quote unquote perfect songs

736
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,120
to your playlist because that's the kind

737
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,559
of person i am um when it doesn't you

738
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,240
know it might not even really matter

739
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:38,799
it's like prio right you need to focus

740
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,720
on the 20 which has the most impact but

741
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:43,200
if that's if that's an enjoyable part of

742
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,799
your preparation as a dm then

743
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,320
purely apart you know completely

744
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,480
separately from whether or not it has an

745
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,960
impact on the game if it has an impact

746
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,600
on how much you enjoy preparing to dm

747
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,520
then it's it's a useful thing

748
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,840
does the searching for music and

749
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,760
prepping those playlists actually have a

750
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,840
positive impact on the way that you then

751
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,679
prep your sessions because you've got

752
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,600
things in mind you psyched about a piece

753
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:07,200
of particular piece of music so you

754
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,000
think about how that's going to impact

755
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,200
on a combat and you change you know you

756
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,279
you know it can be it can be so

757
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,760
important for a dm as well i mean i

758
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,919
won't mention any names but i had i

759
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,880
started a campaign a couple of

760
00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:21,039
uh

761
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,279
18 months ago with a with a dm that i'd

762
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:25,440
never met it was all online

763
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,360
uh the players i knew the dm i did not

764
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,360
know none of us knew this guy and we

765
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:31,520
started this campaign he was a great dm

766
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:33,440
and he played music during the sessions

767
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,960
we played over role 20 and he always

768
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,559
played music and he was a it was a

769
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,159
fantastic dm

770
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,919
uh and we were all really really

771
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:42,240
enjoying it and then about eight

772
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:44,480
sessions into the campaign

773
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,720
he uh he told us he'd fallen out of love

774
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,760
with diamond and he'd fallen out not

775
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,320
falling out of love with you i mean

776
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,960
falling out of love with d and d

777
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:56,320
completely um and didn't want to carry

778
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,279
on and we were like seems really sudden

779
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,720
you know

780
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,799
one of the things that he said to us

781
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,640
then he says he's tried reading he's

782
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,880
tried listening to music he's tried all

783
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,080
these different things to

784
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,279
to get himself back into it because

785
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,600
that for him

786
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:13,440
the the the music that every that was

787
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,520
all part of what was being a dm and when

788
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,600
he was struggling as a dm when he wasn't

789
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,039
enjoying the game anymore

790
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,200
he lent on

791
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:23,360
he went on music he lent on things to

792
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,720
try and inspire him back into him

793
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,880
you know so even if the players aren't

794
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,399
enjoying it if they i mean that's a pr

795
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,399
that's a bit of a bummer of a story to

796
00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:31,440
be to be fair on yeah when i started

797
00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:33,600
telling it

798
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,679
i hadn't really thought it through but

799
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,640
the the fact that he then in a time of

800
00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:40,559
dm crisis he went on the music and it

801
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,399
didn't work

802
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,159
he still gave up dnd and to the best of

803
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:45,360
my knowledge he's completely out of the

804
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:48,080
hobby you know

805
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,240
but he did try he did try the but on

806
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,159
this occasion the power of music was not

807
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,520
enough

808
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:55,360
i think that's the end of the podcast

809
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,120
yeah yeah

810
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:59,679
i'm falling out of love with dnd now

811
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,679
anyway so

812
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,520
that is quite a ripcord pull from that

813
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,760
dm there oh it was it was it was it was

814
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,200
horrifying you know because we

815
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,760
or those as players you're like is it us

816
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,320
because we were all

817
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,600
reasonably

818
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,200
inexperienced you know i'd only been

819
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,720
back playing for

820
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,000
maybe three or four months when we

821
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,840
started

822
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,039
one of the other another couple of the

823
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,640
players we were from my my other group

824
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,200
the other two were slightly more

825
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,679
experienced but not hugely so and where

826
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,679
i are this was you know we've been we've

827
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:37,200
been we'd have messages talking about

828
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:39,200
where our characters were gonna go you

829
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,640
know we've been planning planning things

830
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,279
out behind the scenes with him and then

831
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,559
all of a sudden rug pulled sorry guys

832
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:46,559
you've made me hate the game

833
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,039
i hate you as well goodbye

834
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,640
i hope he doesn't listen to this

835
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:59,080
i'm gonna pull off my mask and it was me

836
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:04,840
this has all just been an elaborate year

837
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,840
and a half set up to pull

838
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,869
[Music]

839
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:17,600
[Music]

840
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:18,799
see one thing there that made me laugh

841
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,880
is that

842
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:23,200
i talk about doing prep and stuff

843
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,559
i i listen to a lot of music that isn't

844
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,279
how should i put this like dear the

845
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:30,159
fantasy music yeah so when i'm doing my

846
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:32,720
prep i'll have i'll have music on that

847
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:34,960
might well be k-pop it might well be

848
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,679
vaporwave it'll be something that is

849
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,760
very much not a fantasy and now i'm

850
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:41,440
thinking like why don't i when i'm

851
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,559
doing you know writing these emotive

852
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,880
little you know session intros or these

853
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:48,320
montage intros or these

854
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,960
you know trying to script a certain

855
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,399
interaction with an npc why

856
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,399
i'm having some self-reflection you know

857
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:56,240
some introspection now like why don't i

858
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:57,760
listen to my emotive fantasy music i'm

859
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,360
such a hypocrite of being like oh it's

860
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,720
so emotive and makes the players feel a

861
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,360
certain way

862
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,240
do you do that to help you down low nah

863
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,600
well

864
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,600
flip that though why don't you play the

865
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,440
k-pop or the vaporwave when during your

866
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,360
sessions you got

867
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,880
you taken i mean

868
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,880
k-pop might be slightly problematic

869
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,200
because i'm not uh

870
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,679
my knowledge of k-pop is is incredibly

871
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,320
superficial and i understand it's there

872
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:25,200
is a there is breadth within the genre

873
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,520
but but to the uninitiated there is an

874
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,960
aesthetic there is a sonic aesthetic to

875
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,399
k-pop which

876
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:35,279
doesn't necessarily suggest the

877
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:36,640
um the suitability whereas

878
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:39,360
something like

879
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,200
vaporwave you've got

880
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,799
you've got pieces of music that would

881
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,360
you'd be you'd be able to make a sad

882
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,679
vaporwave playlist you'd be able to make

883
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,200
a high tension vaporwave play you know

884
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:51,679
there are there are things that you

885
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,960
could do i know some people it's fantasy

886
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:56,240
you don't want

887
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,399
uh uh another another composer i know

888
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,480
guy called ghost of red mountain

889
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:03,760
as soon as he hears an electric guitar

890
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,840
in a piece of rpg music he's out

891
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,240
like there's no it's no it should be

892
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,039
it's it's either orchestral cinematic or

893
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720
it's

894
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:13,760
strings

895
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,080
and harps and you know well you you you

896
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,279
you might joke but i did actually have a

897
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,360
have a

898
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,559
a couple of playlists that were i was

899
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,480
gonna have as kpop dnd playlists and

900
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,159
then i got through and was like yeah

901
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,240
that this really is this is a stretch

902
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:32,919
even for me here

903
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,919
this is not probably not gonna work

904
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,799
too many vocals that's the problem and

905
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:40,960
that is that is a thing vocal vocals in

906
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:43,679
music rpg music of any sort i think

907
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,519
vocals do take you out

908
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:47,919
yeah absolutely absolutely and of course

909
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,440
it's their replete with vocals so there

910
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:51,679
was no and i'd be too busy you know

911
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,440
bopping along as well to concentrate on

912
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,640
them but um

913
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,000
i was just going to say like all that

914
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,919
that other composer you mentioned he

915
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,000
would hate my games because all those

916
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:03,760
those uh spotify playlists i said i put

917
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,279
together are pulled from every corner of

918
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,679
pop culture including a lot of video

919
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:09,600
game stuff so i've got in there like

920
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:11,120
devil may cry

921
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,039
you know songs and then songs from

922
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,360
bayonetta and smash bros and all that

923
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,279
other kind of stuff um

924
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,559
so yeah when you know and then from you

925
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,159
get whiplash you know you go from that

926
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,679
and then it is just like the battle of

927
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,960
helm's deep or something but it's always

928
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:24,320
all to me it

929
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,320
tries to pull out the same emotions from

930
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,200
the players uh but yeah obviously in

931
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,799
those kind of songs there is a lot of

932
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,919
electronic

933
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,440
influence yeah so i i personally i don't

934
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:37,679
i don't i don't see there being a being

935
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,240
an issue i think that i like the idea of

936
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:43,279
you you know you listen to

937
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,360
han zimmer for example yes um

938
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:48,559
hanzo whether whatever in your opinion

939
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,320
of hans zimmer he's managed to

940
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,880
meld

941
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,320
cinema traditional cinematic orchestral

942
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,559
music with

943
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,799
electronic elements with modern

944
00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:00,000
production elements in a really in a

945
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,640
really

946
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,880
good seamless way and i i i personally

947
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,760
do i like han zimmer's

948
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,200
work

949
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,640
or whether it's actually han zimmer's

950
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,480
work or whether it's one of his minions

951
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,760
that does his work for him but i like

952
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,000
the things i like the things that are

953
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,600
presented to us as the works of anzima

954
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,440
and he does

955
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,039
you know he does he does mix things in

956
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760
he does change things around and i think

957
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,159
that

958
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:26,000
we are we are telling stories when we

959
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:28,559
play games yeah and certainly for me the

960
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,760
most common and the biggest impact

961
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,720
storytelling medium of my life is film

962
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,880
so

963
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,159
we're gonna take inspiration from film

964
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,960
music

965
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:38,960
and

966
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,120
you know that that is where film music

967
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,880
is at the moment it's not it's not

968
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,039
sweeping up the sweeping orchestral

969
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,320
music of the you know hollywood in the

970
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:50,080
1940s there's a huge breadth of

971
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,679
cinematic music

972
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,279
and that is going to influence us

973
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,720
because that is where where we're going

974
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,240
to pull our

975
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,320
preconceptions of what music for

976
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,480
storytelling is

977
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,360
yeah absolutely i think i think i've got

978
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,120
some inception and interstellar on there

979
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,639
which at least one of those is hanzo i

980
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,760
haven't installed anyone by assuming

981
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,000
i'm pretty sure at least one of them is

982
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000
there

983
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:16,480
so

984
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,919
one burning question that i've had then

985
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,639
seeing as you said that you you mainly

986
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:22,480
play and you don't dm yeah but being

987
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,000
called this is parkour and making your

988
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,159
own music

989
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,280
what classes do you play i'm trying to

990
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,839
not lead the witness too much but uh

991
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,240
i i i have played i haven't do you know

992
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:36,159
i haven't played every single class uh i

993
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:37,679
haven't been playing i've been back for

994
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,520
long enough to play every single class

995
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,720
even just in

996
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,720
uh even just in the last

997
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:46,480
18 months two years so

998
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:49,119
any including one shots and things like

999
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,599
that i do play a bard yeah there it is

1000
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:54,960
that's it there we go yeah

1001
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:57,839
but i also play uh up until a week ago i

1002
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,640
was playing a fighter and then he died

1003
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:02,160
rest in peace i yeah i play i've played

1004
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,280
more monks than i've played anything

1005
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,599
else

1006
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,040
um i do have a tendency to when i need

1007
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,480
to roll up a character to roll up a

1008
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,720
month i'm playing a wizard at the moment

1009
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,119
you know in strad

1010
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,640
so i i'm i'm trying to spread it around

1011
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,640
a little bit i've only ever played one

1012
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,560
bard i don't know what and i play the

1013
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,520
bard that i play is in the podcast that

1014
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,680
i'm a character on and

1015
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,280
i don't know what i would do if

1016
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,240
something happened to that character

1017
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:31,440
because so much of my

1018
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:33,760
online presence my brand or whatever is

1019
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,880
is is around that the kiss on my

1020
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,560
on twitter my youtube channel is has my

1021
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,800
name as my character's name is the

1022
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,880
youtube channel you know all my all my

1023
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,800
artwork all my profile pictures are all

1024
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,119
the character artwork of my character my

1025
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,599
bad character from this game you know if

1026
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,359
he if anything ever happened to him

1027
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:54,480
i'd have to completely and utterly

1028
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:55,680
change my entire online

1029
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,760
do you think

1030
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,040
that character has

1031
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,000
is an easier fit for you then as a as a

1032
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,960
fellow

1033
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880
music

1034
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,320
creator um

1035
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,839
like is there is there a lot is there

1036
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,440
more of you in that character than there

1037
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:12,720
is perhaps the other ones do you think

1038
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,680
oh problematically so it's yeah i mean

1039
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,200
i what happened i think that it got very

1040
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,800
personal very very quickly with that

1041
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,400
character there's an awful lot in my

1042
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,880
character's

1043
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,400
story and in the depths of my character

1044
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,960
that is 100

1045
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,040
just me he's i would say he's marginally

1046
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,200
better looking than i am in real life

1047
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:34,079
um but he's

1048
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,160
it is very much it's a lot of my

1049
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:39,440
and the worst thing is that sometimes

1050
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,880
the when the dm will play in play

1051
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,320
something against the character that

1052
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,720
plays into the insecurities of the

1053
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,480
character which are also my insecurities

1054
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:49,920
as well we had a battle of the bards

1055
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,720
once yeah and i didn't win

1056
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,480
and

1057
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:57,200
i behaved fairly badly afterwards

1058
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,560
i carry an npc called my character a

1059
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,599
talker and i behaved very very badly

1060
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,760
afterwards

1061
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,119
um so it's it's it's pretty it's

1062
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,920
difficult and it's dangerous when you

1063
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:10,000
put so much into a character there's a

1064
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,280
lot of people who see d and d as therapy

1065
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,440
and

1066
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,960
it kind of is i'm not sure it's a i'm

1067
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,160
not sure it's the healthiest way to get

1068
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,560
your therapy

1069
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,240
but i certainly work through an awful

1070
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,040
lot of

1071
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:26,880
playing my character helps me to me to

1072
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,760
understand exac a lot about me

1073
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,440
uh i don't know whether it's just

1074
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,640
because he's a but i don't the fact that

1075
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,440
he's a bad

1076
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,720
isn't necessarily um okay you know not

1077
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,560
necessarily important he's not a

1078
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:39,040
particularly musical bard he's a college

1079
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,200
of eloquence bard oh very cool yeah

1080
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,040
but he does he does use music but he

1081
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,040
plays a drum so

1082
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,400
you know if that is even considered

1083
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,480
music i know there's a lot of jokes

1084
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,560
about drummers but

1085
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,960
there's no even then that we don't we

1086
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,119
don't really involve music in the game i

1087
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,680
know what you know i see i see photos of

1088
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:59,119
uh of people's playing setups and

1089
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,599
there's clearly a bard at the table

1090
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,200
because there's a there's a harp

1091
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,640
and when they do the bardic inspiration

1092
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,079
they'll sing a little song to the other

1093
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,520
players and whatever

1094
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,200
fair play you know

1095
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,359
fair play but i'm uh you know i'm not

1096
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,280
i'm not singing to to our players at the

1097
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:15,520
time

1098
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,960
that's your line in the sand is it yeah

1099
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,960
you're gonna arouse them with uh an

1100
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,760
well i did so what i did was i wrote for

1101
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:29,040
every spell i wrote a poem

1102
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,480
okay so i i say poems for when i cast my

1103
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,320
spells as the verbal component so

1104
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,240
whenever i whenever i level up and i get

1105
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,640
new spells i have to write my new poems

1106
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,839
i lost my notebook a couple months ago

1107
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,680
and had to do a session without my

1108
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:42,240
notebook and it was the most the most

1109
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,119
stressful thing unless an improvisation

1110
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,920
yeah

1111
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,920
just couldn't cast any spells

1112
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,640
uh okay cool thank you thank you for

1113
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,240
that look i didn't mean for it to turn

1114
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,560
into like

1115
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:56,240
how does stuart live his life and cope

1116
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,599
emotionally with his day-to-day actions

1117
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,200
i didn't need to

1118
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,440
every every time i go on someone's

1119
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,680
podcast it always ends up with me me

1120
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,160
talking about my insecurities that's

1121
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,440
always happens this is just people go oh

1122
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,440
does anyone like to come as a guest on

1123
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560
my podcast yes yes free therapy for

1124
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,160
school yeah well i'll have to start

1125
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000
charging you now i didn't realize what's

1126
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,240
the hourly rate for a therapist nowadays

1127
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,560
probably pretty good

1128
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,839
more than i can afford

1129
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,760
well then we will have to stop the

1130
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:22,790
podcast

1131
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,550
for the second time

1132
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:26,550
[Laughter]

1133
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,280
okay so i had a i did have a question

1134
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,400
that i was thinking about mainly for the

1135
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,000
listeners of course of course uh around

1136
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,560
obviously you opened with your little

1137
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,640
bio around bard core

1138
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,760
music i don't know

1139
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,440
please excuse my ignorance whether

1140
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,079
that's a genre and of itself or if it's

1141
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,839
a subgenre or whatever if it's a style

1142
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,800
rather than a genre of music but

1143
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:51,200
could you

1144
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,200
elaborate a little bit more on

1145
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,320
that then and more more of the specifics

1146
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,440
of what that

1147
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,680
means

1148
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,599
absolutely so it was something that i

1149
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:04,319
had never ever heard of until

1150
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,800
the start of the pandemic when one of my

1151
00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:07,839
friends sent me a link to a youtube

1152
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,880
video

1153
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:12,000
and

1154
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,760
a few years ago i'd had an idea that

1155
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,800
what if i took

1156
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,079
modern songs rewrote the lyrics to make

1157
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,920
them

1158
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:22,960
kind of 1920s

1159
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:26,560
and recorded so my idea was take for

1160
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,240
example skater boy by avril lavigne

1161
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,880
random song number two off the top of my

1162
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:35,040
head re rewrite the lyrics in as a very

1163
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,040
kind of genteel 1920s and recorder that

1164
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,079
kind of 1920s

1165
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,280
jazz ragtime stride piano

1166
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:46,079
accompaniment and sing in a

1167
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,760
1920s voice over the top of it make it

1168
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,640
sound old

1169
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,000
put it on youtube and go oh my god i

1170
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,599
can't believe avril lavigne got away

1171
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,119
with this you know she's she's stolen

1172
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,720
this song from the 1920s i thought

1173
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,960
that'd be an interesting like a funny

1174
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,200
thing to do like record these spoof

1175
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,680
versions and pretend that modern songs

1176
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,839
were actually covers of these old yes

1177
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,000
and then the genre of bad call was

1178
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:10,560
brought to my attention and some of the

1179
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,960
stuff that i saw early doors

1180
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,000
it was pretty enough so

1181
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,079
um

1182
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
do you know what midi is i was in the

1183
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,240
the

1184
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,160
the music sound input output absolutely

1185
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,160
so music instrument digital interface so

1186
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,560
what you can do is you can get a midi

1187
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,440
file of a song which is all of the

1188
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,040
different instrumental lines but as data

1189
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,720
and you can put that then into your

1190
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,480
software and you can choose what

1191
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:36,640
instruments they are and so some of them

1192
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,960
were literally where they've got a midi

1193
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,680
file of a song and they've put it on a

1194
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,520
dulcimer uh midi patch

1195
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,839
and you listen to the song and it's just

1196
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,240
a enough computerized instrument or with

1197
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:49,920
a generic medieval sound on it and then

1198
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:53,119
there were a few that were really really

1199
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,240
good so the biggest name in the

1200
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:58,960
i mean it is a genre uh but it's it's

1201
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,680
very very niche the biggest name is a is

1202
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,079
a an artist called hildegard von blingen

1203
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,520
okay so it's a pun on there was a there

1204
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:09,680
was a musician in the medieval age who

1205
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,280
was a nun and she was hildegard von

1206
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,960
bingen and hildegard von blingen did a

1207
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,440
cover of

1208
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,520
pumped up kicks where she'd rewritten

1209
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,839
the lyrics to make them

1210
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,400
medieval so she put medieval terminology

1211
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:27,680
in and then the music had all been

1212
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,560
rewritten to make it sound medieval yeah

1213
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,040
and

1214
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,560
it was substantially better than a lot

1215
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,359
of the other stuff that that i'd seen

1216
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,560
which was just fairly enough medium

1217
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:37,359
filter of

1218
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,280
like

1219
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:40,480
ye olde music now

1220
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,520
absolutely

1221
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:46,560
so i thought i could do this i was

1222
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:49,359
working from home so i had a i had extra

1223
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,400
time uh i you know i'd gained travel

1224
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:52,880
time and what have you and it was

1225
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,040
something that i could do

1226
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,960
to give me give me a bit of an outlet

1227
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,960
and something fun to do so i

1228
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,480
i thought right i'll rewrite a song and

1229
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,079
i sat down and i wrote the very first

1230
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,400
one i did was

1231
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,359
don't stop believing my journey so i sat

1232
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,200
and i

1233
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:09,760
i did a bit of research and i pulled up

1234
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,720
some medieval and some old english

1235
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,599
glossaries and saw what i could feasibly

1236
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:18,560
do and rewrote the lyrics to

1237
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,920
to don't stop believing and then sat

1238
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,000
down and

1239
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,800
got out some instruments now i i don't

1240
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,720
know about you but i don't have medieval

1241
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,839
instruments sitting around in my house

1242
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:32,240
but what are you doing last week

1243
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:34,000
i do now i do now actually but what i do

1244
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,680
have are instruments so what i thought

1245
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,680
was one thing that would

1246
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,720
would help me was a lot of the music

1247
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,400
that was out there was all

1248
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,720
electronically done and some of it was

1249
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,240
done very very well but it was it was

1250
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:49,440
midi whereas i play instruments so i got

1251
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:52,480
a i got a classical guitar and i

1252
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,720
played that as if it was a loot i

1253
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,960
used a little drum i

1254
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,280
i went and bought myself a tin whistle

1255
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,440
and and just tried to try you know it

1256
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,160
was ukuleles and mandolins and things

1257
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,560
that i had around so i i recorded this

1258
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,920
music so yeah it is basically it's music

1259
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,839
songs rewritten in a medieval style a

1260
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,240
lot of it is just instrumental there are

1261
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:15,839
a fair few people that do the the vocal

1262
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,359
stuff as well

1263
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:20,079
and at the time i thought right this is

1264
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:21,680
it i i got in

1265
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,920
when i first discovered it and i put out

1266
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,720
my first song i think this the out maybe

1267
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,720
two or three months into this trend

1268
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:31,040
and it was a pretty nice trend but a

1269
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,880
fairly large niche you know hildegard

1270
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,480
von blinger when she brings out a track

1271
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,720
she's getting over a million views on

1272
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,280
youtube you know there are there have

1273
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:41,119
been articles written about this yeah

1274
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,160
and i thought right i mean i'm in early

1275
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:45,119
doors

1276
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,200
i believe that my stuff that i do is

1277
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:48,800
objectively

1278
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,000
some of the better stuff that's out

1279
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,480
there

1280
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,839
and i thought right that's it no i'm i'm

1281
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,839
i don't think i'll ever have to go back

1282
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:57,440
to work i'm now going to be a

1283
00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:58,800
professional bard and i'm going to be

1284
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,680
famous

1285
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,079
and yeah i just it's i think of a song

1286
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,760
that i might that i reckon i could i

1287
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,720
could get a little hook

1288
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,800
where

1289
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,680
i could feasibly change the lyrics and

1290
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,599
then

1291
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,520
the lyrics is the difficult thing you

1292
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,160
know you know sitting there and trying

1293
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,839
to

1294
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,760
trying to rewrite things whilst keeping

1295
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:19,280
the narrative of a song and keeping the

1296
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,119
meaning of a song

1297
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,520
a lot of hip-hop songs are fantastic for

1298
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,280
it because they've got

1299
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,520
really good narratives yeah you know i

1300
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,079
did a cover of uh i did a cover of 99

1301
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,200
problems by jay-z yeah four scoring 19

1302
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,640
worries

1303
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,040
it was

1304
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,319
they're so wordy like oh this song will

1305
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,640
be brilliant like i've been thinking i

1306
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:41,359
might do vanilla ice ice ice baby yes

1307
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,280
really kind of evergreen song everyone

1308
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:45,520
knows it but just

1309
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,960
you know you google ice ice baby lyrics

1310
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,119
not that i need to because i know them

1311
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,119
off by heart when you google them it's

1312
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,560
it's like three pages of lyrics and i

1313
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,560
look at that and i'm going like that's

1314
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,920
six hours of work probably just to write

1315
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,720
the lyrics

1316
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,359
yeah it's it's covers of modern songs in

1317
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,040
a medieval style but i

1318
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:05,280
try and put

1319
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,119
little bits in there so there might be

1320
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,720
there might be references to a d d

1321
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:11,280
monster there might be references to a

1322
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:14,560
spell there might be i i've changed

1323
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,240
africa by total to ravnica

1324
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,020
which works really lucky for you that

1325
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,160
worked really well off the timeline yeah

1326
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:22,480
[Laughter]

1327
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,040
so yeah it's good fun i i've slowed my

1328
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,280
output has slowed down massively uh

1329
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,240
because i'm i haven't got the same

1330
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,200
amount of free time and i've been doing

1331
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,359
other musical endeavors within the rpg

1332
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,960
space as well but yeah i'm still

1333
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:38,880
still putting out hardcore music and

1334
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,200
releasing that on

1335
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,640
youtube and spotify and all over the

1336
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,079
place

1337
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,200
now you mentioned i think i do have an

1338
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,640
instrumental

1339
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,720
i guess what would be considered bad

1340
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,520
core in in one of my playlists funny

1341
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,160
enough

1342
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:56,240
that one of the players said oh was this

1343
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,599
that song i'm like yes it is kind of

1344
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,800
quite a few people have approached me

1345
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,240
and have

1346
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,599
i get a lot of comments of people saying

1347
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,240
i'm going to use this in my game i'm

1348
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:06,079
going to use this in my when my players

1349
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,400
are in a tavern i'm going to use this

1350
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:10,960
for oh i've got a player that does this

1351
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,400
this song is perfect you know um so i

1352
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,760
think there are quite a lot of people

1353
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,480
that use

1354
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,400
oh maybe the instrumental stuff more so

1355
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,480
than than the vocal stuff because i

1356
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,880
think vocals are problematic as we said

1357
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,319
yeah yeah i wanted to say they're on the

1358
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,359
uh you know you said oh you've made it

1359
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:26,640
big and

1360
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,920
you know you know quit your day job and

1361
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,040
i have to say well clearly that's failed

1362
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,559
because you're here talking to me

1363
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,160
[Laughter]

1364
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,760
it's just it's again though that's

1365
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,920
managing expectations i think everyone

1366
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,760
who starts doing any kind of creative

1367
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,599
pursuit even though you know well no i'm

1368
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,119
not doing it i'm not doing it for money

1369
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:45,760
i'm not doing it for

1370
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,839
for fame but you would like to think

1371
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,520
that you will have some kind of level of

1372
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:51,920
success and

1373
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,520
i have had a level of success it but for

1374
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,240
me though the success is when i get

1375
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,000
someone who who messages me and he says

1376
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:59,680
uh i really like that i really like that

1377
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,040
track that you did or or i'll release a

1378
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,240
new track and and i'll get a message

1379
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,800
that says oh this is the best one you've

1380
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:06,480
ever done or i'll get some really nice

1381
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,319
comments or someone will share something

1382
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,079
i've done on reddit or

1383
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:11,920
or wherever you and and it'll get back

1384
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,680
to me that people are appreciating what

1385
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,040
i'm doing because otherwise i'm just a

1386
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,880
guy

1387
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,160
sitting in a three meter by two meter

1388
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,359
room

1389
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,280
singing in a in a posh voice whilst i

1390
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:25,680
pretend that my acoustic guitar is a

1391
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,400
loot which if you break it down to that

1392
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,520
is a is essentially a mid-life crisis at

1393
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,880
best and

1394
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,880
a nervous breakdown at worst

1395
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,240
well my midlife crisis was learning to

1396
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,440
ride a motorcycle uh so i don't know uh

1397
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,400
mine was a hell of a lot more dangerous

1398
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,559
so at least you've got that going for

1399
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,559
you

1400
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,079
i wanted to add on that and obviously i

1401
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,760
don't make music but i make this this

1402
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:51,520
podcast and

1403
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,760
a lot of it i was thinking that when you

1404
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,520
were talking that

1405
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,760
yeah i think when everybody starts in

1406
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,280
any creative endeavor there is that

1407
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,800
i what i want you know obviously it's

1408
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,760
human nature to be like i want this to

1409
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,200
be

1410
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,800
i want to reach as many people as

1411
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,640
possible because as you said i think

1412
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,960
what i do is good so

1413
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,800
you want to kind of increase

1414
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,079
the amount of people that can consume

1415
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,000
good content

1416
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:16,160
but i have to say no matter you know

1417
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,000
watching the numbers go up and down of

1418
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,480
listeners whatever it's kind of

1419
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,440
two-dimensional but what matters more

1420
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:26,079
you know what impacts my day much more

1421
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,359
is when i'll have a message or someone

1422
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,800
will

1423
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:30,559
just tweet and provide a link to the

1424
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,920
episode that just says oh i listened to

1425
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,200
this and it was really good and i'm like

1426
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,880
man that's

1427
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,160
that's pretty wild because i never

1428
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,280
didn't really have you know like an

1429
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,480
internet presence beforehand at all so

1430
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,000
you know the people i knew were the

1431
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,880
people i knew in real life

1432
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,440
so to go from that to like some person

1433
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,319
in across the atlantic

1434
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,400
has

1435
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:52,000
you know messaged me or or referenced me

1436
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,000
in some way to say

1437
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,079
i've increased the happiness of their

1438
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,079
day that's that's mad that's bonkers

1439
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,440
when i get i get messages i've i mean

1440
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,520
various different kind of group chats

1441
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,680
and what have you and you know i've had

1442
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,119
i've had messages from friends of mine

1443
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,680
who've said have you listened to donald

1444
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:14,319
trump's latest show you know it's people

1445
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,839
that the idea that there are people who

1446
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:18,160
might just be talking about and you

1447
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:20,400
don't even know about it but someone

1448
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,280
someone on any given week is probably

1449
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,160
mentioning you to one of their mates

1450
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,680
and like that's that's mind-blowing like

1451
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,680
recently you did an episode with john

1452
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,040
from taylor the manticore oh yeah we

1453
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,720
i've got i've got a tale of the

1454
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,960
manticore channel

1455
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,400
in my in my discord where me and my

1456
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,240
mates talk about what's happening in

1457
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,040
sale of the month ago because we're so

1458
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:43,920
invested in it and john is in he's just

1459
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,680
a normal bloke like you or i who puts

1460
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,520
out content

1461
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,920
yet there are people you know there are

1462
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,200
people who are who are so invested in

1463
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,520
his storytelling in his his podcast that

1464
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,000
they're just completely separate from

1465
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,200
him talking about his characters you

1466
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,119
know there are there are people that

1467
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,240
will be doing that for for your podcast

1468
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,599
there are people that do that for my

1469
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,920
podcast

1470
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,440
and that that is

1471
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,200
that's an incredible level of success

1472
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,359
when you think about it yeah that you

1473
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,359
that you are impacting people's life

1474
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:16,400
even when they are not directly

1475
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:18,319
consuming your your media mm-hmm

1476
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,520
it's pretty cool yeah absolutely

1477
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:21,359
absolutely and thank you for providing

1478
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,559
that reference uh for those listening

1479
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:24,000
you can go and listen to the episode

1480
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,599
with john from town of the montague i

1481
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,960
think the episode is uh story off the

1482
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,280
top of my head which i believe is the

1483
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,480
openness to this season which was a

1484
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,240
really really really good episode i mean

1485
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,400
they all are but uh

1486
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,800
that one was it was uh had a certain

1487
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,850
sequoia shall we say this one sucks with

1488
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,119
stewart don't listen to this one

1489
00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:43,359
[Laughter]

1490
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:45,920
55 minutes in yeah stop listening to

1491
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:47,359
this this is bad

1492
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,079
to the two people that have made it this

1493
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:52,720
far of course

1494
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:54,319
i'm joking of course um

1495
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,520
well uh on that note is there anything

1496
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:57,520
that you wanted to talk about about

1497
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,000
music that we we haven't got around to

1498
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:02,319
yet well interestingly one of the things

1499
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,319
that that well i thought about when i

1500
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:06,160
was coming on was the idea of music in

1501
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:08,720
podcasts so

1502
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,960
i don't listen to many

1503
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:13,200
ttrpg podcasts despite being a cast

1504
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,680
member on one i've listened to bits and

1505
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,839
bobs and the one that has has absolutely

1506
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,119
gripped me is taylor the monte carl and

1507
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:21,200
i think that

1508
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:23,680
that john's use of music entailing the

1509
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,680
monte carl is really really good so we

1510
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,440
don't have any music

1511
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,440
on my show on dyson desire the only

1512
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,680
music we have are intro songs which i

1513
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,319
record as a recap at the start of the

1514
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,119
episode then there is no incident and no

1515
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:38,640
incidental music no music bed it's just

1516
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,319
dry audio

1517
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,559
because for me

1518
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:45,599
the idea of of putting music on the

1519
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:47,920
podcast i would want to be composing

1520
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,839
original music for the pod to go out

1521
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,319
every week i'd want to be scoring it

1522
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:54,000
like a film yeah and i can't i can't do

1523
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:55,440
that you know it'd be it'd be a

1524
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,440
full-time job for me to score the

1525
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,119
podcast as a film

1526
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,200
so when i list when i first started

1527
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:03,760
listening to taylor the manticore what

1528
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,119
struck me was the way that john treats

1529
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,240
the music

1530
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:09,280
more like a computer game than like a

1531
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:12,480
movie

1532
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,559
and i think that that's the way to go so

1533
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,240
by that i mean rather than having

1534
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,240
specific music for specific things

1535
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,240
although he does sometimes drop you know

1536
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,760
new things in for a

1537
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,559
particular character or a particular

1538
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,240
event but generally speaking he's got a

1539
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:28,559
little library of music that he uses

1540
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:31,359
which you then become familiar with yeah

1541
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:34,319
and the music becomes almost a character

1542
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:35,440
in its own right and that's more akin to

1543
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:37,119
the way

1544
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,720
music is in computer games you know you

1545
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,480
think about

1546
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:42,400
essentially two types of music that used

1547
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,440
in computer games

1548
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,280
one is

1549
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,880
something called horizontal resequencing

1550
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,480
which is the idea that

1551
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,160
as something changes in the game you

1552
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,680
just switch to a different loop of music

1553
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,839
so an example of that would be something

1554
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,839
like mario kart you know you're driving

1555
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:58,000
around you've got the music you pick up

1556
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:59,839
the star and it's

1557
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,079
and it just shifts the other the other

1558
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:04,000
type of music is a linear loop which is

1559
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:07,040
just a great big long loop of music

1560
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:10,240
background music that doesn't

1561
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,599
get impacted by the action so a lot of

1562
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,520
games a lot of

1563
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,960
a lot of combat games you've got all the

1564
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,800
sounds

1565
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,640
but the music itself is just background

1566
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,000
music that doesn't change and i think

1567
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,400
that that's one of the things that john

1568
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,800
does really well and it

1569
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,480
struck me as being a different approach

1570
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,119
to the way that i would have done it and

1571
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,599
i think if i was going back to the start

1572
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:33,280
and starting my podcast again

1573
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,359
that is what i would do

1574
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,359
i would have a little library of music

1575
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:39,440
and it's it's it's the same way that you

1576
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:40,960
describe really the

1577
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,359
the way that you use music when you're

1578
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,960
dm and in person you don't think right

1579
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:46,559
i'm at this point we're going to have

1580
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,240
this piece of music because it's you

1581
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,640
just you've got a playlist and you put

1582
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:53,440
it on so that's something that i

1583
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:56,400
that i have learned from consuming other

1584
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,160
people's media that if i could go back

1585
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,680
and start our podcast again i think i'd

1586
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,119
like to do i think it'd be weird if i

1587
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,640
all of a sudden started chucking music

1588
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:06,480
in it now

1589
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,559
you know we're 69 episodes deep into uh

1590
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,559
into the ap now so it'd be

1591
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:13,119
very odd if all of a sudden episode 70

1592
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:14,799
the production value changed completely

1593
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:16,880
you just got to do it slowly just like

1594
00:55:14,799 --> 00:55:19,280
half a song every episode until you've

1595
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,280
built up

1596
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,440
like uh like like building up your

1597
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,839
tolerance to a poison you have a little

1598
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,680
bit at a time yeah

1599
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:28,799
and then we'll notice and it will it

1600
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,280
will work great and then you'll be half

1601
00:55:28,799 --> 00:55:32,280
as good as that symmetrical

1602
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,599
do i do love that [ __ ] i do i'm upset

1603
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:39,359
i'm properly obsessed with taylor the

1604
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:42,160
money car i really am

1605
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:44,640
it's a fantastic show fantastic show uh

1606
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:47,040
awesome so i think that that pretty much

1607
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,960
brings us to the end of today's

1608
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,920
discussion but as always there's

1609
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,319
definitely more to be said um i feel

1610
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,880
like i haven't mind your experience and

1611
00:55:54,319 --> 00:56:01,640
expertise enough probably because of my

1612
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,640
own lack thereof uh

1613
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:06,079
but such is life

1614
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,880
so is there anything you would like to

1615
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:11,119
promote yeah absolutely so um

1616
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,520
people can find me pretending to be a

1617
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,559
bard uh an actual bad pretending to be a

1618
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,640
bard

1619
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:18,240
on the dyson desire podcast that's my

1620
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,599
kind of main home

1621
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,559
uh incredibly proud of of our podcast we

1622
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:24,240
are

1623
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:26,079
choking cheese with with manticore

1624
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:28,559
really we're very silly but we've got a

1625
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:30,960
great bunch of players uh we've

1626
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:32,559
again we get some really great feedback

1627
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,799
from from people listening to the show

1628
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:37,599
so people can find us dice and desire

1629
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:40,880
we're everywhere that podcasts are i'm

1630
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:43,440
on youtube at dweasel vanz affair which

1631
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,880
is a an absolute pain to spell so it's

1632
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,359
probably best that people just find me

1633
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,520
on twitter at this is bard core and then

1634
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:51,520
my links are all through there i'm on

1635
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,359
spotify and everywhere else under the

1636
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,920
artist name this is bard core it's

1637
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:57,200
stylized as all one word i've got one

1638
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,880
thing that i would like to kind of

1639
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,680
briefly i've got like a

1640
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:05,440
a spoiler but an exclusive for you if

1641
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,839
i'm out yet please so i am currently

1642
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,680
working with a couple of very very

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talented people one of them

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is is a friend of a friend of the show

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mike hibbert oh yep so i'm working with

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mike and a guy called ross who's a

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fantastic artist and we are going to be

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publishing our

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very first game

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i'll say soon but but the word soon is

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how long is a piece of string um it's a

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storytelling collaborative storytelling

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game which

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is unique because music is at the heart

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of it okay so as part of our game

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when you play the game you pick up you

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pick an album or a playlist of songs and

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that album or that playlist of songs

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help to mold the storytelling in the

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game so rules rules-like

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gm-less collaborative storytelling game

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that's based around the idea it's based

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in a world of of music and motorbikes

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and it's called halcyon days motorcycle

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nights and it will be coming

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soon soon question mark

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as soon as we're currently we're

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currently play testing so the game is

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written and we are play testing and uh

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it will be coming i think we're gonna

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i think we're gonna put it up on itch.io

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first of all and then

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maybe

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look for a crowdfunder

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to to produce a physical copy of the

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game as well amazing well that is and of

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course as you said mike has been on on

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the show before an episode season one on

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podcasts is the meta title of that

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episode so uh everyone can go and check

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out that as well and my my network of

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friends of the shows is uh ever

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increases but that's awesome news to

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hear and um obviously everything you've

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mentioned including your unspellable uh

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youtube link will be in the episode

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description so people can click it there

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rather than type it out for their

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convenience otherwise all that's left to

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say is uh thank you ever so much for for

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joining me on this sunday morning stuart

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well thanks for having me man it's been

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a really really nice way to uh to stay

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out of the rain for uh for an hour

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and you know there's like 70 hours of

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content if you want you know me to keep

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you company if you have to go out in the

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rain uh you know absolutely so you know

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otherwise uh

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thanks to everyone for listening at home

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as usual everything will be in the

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episode description so please do check

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out all of uh stuart stuffs and dice and

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desire not dyson desire as a joke i've

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00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:42,640
made previously on twitter which was a

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career highlight of mine i have to say

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but though please do check it all out

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otherwise thank you all for listening

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and good night

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and now it's time for the patreon shout

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outs

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huge huge huge thank you to a great

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friend of the show matthew perkins who's

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out there making hilarious and

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01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,440
educational dungeons and dragons content

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please go and check out his stuff at

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matthewperkins.net where you can find

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links to all of his socials and all of

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01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:11,839
his content including his own patreon

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which i would very much encourage you to

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check out

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thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

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on twitter for supporting the show

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if you need support running your

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personal or business schedule head to

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virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

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make that difference between should do

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and done boss it better with support

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from cat who will help you get back that

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essential time you've been searching for

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if you would like to support what we do

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and get four shout outs a month head

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over to patreon.com thinking critically

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or you can just buy me a coffee at

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kofi.com thinking critically

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[Music]

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Stuart Bullock (thisisbardcore)

Musician

43 year old. Veteran musician and educator. Back in the RPG and table top communities after a 25 year hiatus.
Played 23 basic D&D back in the early 90s but new to 5e.
Cast member on Dice and Desire actual play podcast and producer of bardcore music. Also Composer of TTRPG music.