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hello and welcome to thinking critically

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a d and d discussion a podcast where we

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deep dive single word concepts or ideas

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within the dungeons and dragons 5e

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framework my name is danilo and i like

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all kinds of games and the crunchy

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mechanics that make him tick you can

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find me on twitter facebook and

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instagram and i'd really appreciate a

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like or a follow today i am joined by

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cal aka the baron thank you so so much

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for joining us today cal can you tell us

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a little bit about yourself uh well yeah

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i'm the cow i go by the baron on youtube

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twitter uh instagram things like that um

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a lot of people always ask me why the

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baron actually goes back to uh i used to

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be a

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sort of semi-professional juggler back

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in college and the name just kind of

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stuck so

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there are genuinely people out there who

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only know me as the baron so it was just

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easier than going by cal the dungeon

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master or cal the gm

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that that's a really unique name i'm

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glad you saved that one for the

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recording rather than telling me

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beforehand because that's

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that's really cool

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thank you very much for joining us today

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i'm really looking forward to this one

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because it's a pretty pretty interesting

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topic uh

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a lot of heft to it today's topic is

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health

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so

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what does that mean to you

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well it's got a kind of dual thing

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within the ttrpg community actually

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because when we were talking i actually

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mentioned that i'm a trainee nursing

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associate at the moment i'm actually

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training to be a nurse

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uh in the long term

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and

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hilariously i started doing my training

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right at the start of covid so

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clearly something happened there but

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otherwise in terms of actual

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health weirdly enough i mainline

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healer classes in almost every

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role-playing game i play i mean

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if i play a character i'm usually gonna

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if i'm playing d and d i'll usually play

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a cleric

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or a ranger who obviously get a few

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healing abilities as well

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so health is like a really big thing

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because whenever i'm building a

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character my first thought is oh god

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which of my friends are going to die

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first and how do i stop that

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and

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that tends to be my jumping off point

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with a lot of my characters it's only

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been recently i've gone you know what

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they can all just

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they they've come to rely on me too much

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one of them can do it for once i'm going

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to play a rogue

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treat yourself mate yeah have a night

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off exactly

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i think i do like how

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i i never really realized it but i do

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like how a lot of people have like go-to

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archetypes

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and they're going my campaign and who

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play ball games with and he he's always

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like

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the barbarian tanky

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yeah kind of kind of person there's

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another guy who wants to play like the

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kind of interesting off off tanks or off

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dps classes always always and then the

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last guy is like pure glass cannon dps

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any opportunity that's

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what he'll roll so it makes when we come

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to those class picking

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situations

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like almost one person can do it because

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they can just dole out the classes to

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the other ones because we'll know what

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they want to

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yeah it sort of makes sense a bit easier

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i know my wife she always used to play

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rogue whenever we played a game like

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whenever she built up it was always an

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archer rogue every single time and it's

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only been recently she thought i'll try

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something else and now she's really

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stuck on warlocks and like caster

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classes

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yeah

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so it is nice having those archetypes

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that you just know you kind of like

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gravitate towards but playing outside of

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that you kind of go actually this is

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what we're missing out on mm-hmm yeah

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variety is the spice of life absolutely

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as they say so

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i'm going to open the the discussion

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then with

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a topic that

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i find really quite interesting and in a

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way

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unique to tabletop rpgs or at least uh d

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d and please you know correct me if i'm

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wrong so

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i'm fairly certain it's described or hp

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or health points have you want to talk

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about it is described in the rules as

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not

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raw health but more like fighting energy

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or fighting stamina and yeah it's like

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how much you can take before you get

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dropped yeah yeah which i think is

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really

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i think it can be a bit of a difficult

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mindset shift to kind of flip everything

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you've known till today on its head to

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really kind of see it in that way but

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then once you do

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a lot more things make

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a heck of a lot more sense

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in the in the game because like i was

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actually watching a video recently about

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um house rules and that kind of thing

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came up because so many people use the

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house rule of called shots like i aim

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for this limb or i aim for that and then

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the main problem with that rule is

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everyone's just going to aim for the

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head

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yes and i've played ttrpg's ass d is

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actually one of

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my less played ttrpgs

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and a lot of the games i play have

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differing hit locations to different

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parts of the body so the arm has its own

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hit points the head has its own hit

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points

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that kind of thing and in those

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mechanics

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cold shots work

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but with d d because it's one block

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number of how much you can take

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it doesn't really work

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at least not the way you want it to

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yeah i think in every game i've run at

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least at one point someone said can i

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aim for the ice to blind him yeah it's

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bad it's like taking the puppy out the

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back kind of thing it's like

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i'm sorry no

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because of a multitude of reasons we

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can't really get into now in the middle

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of combat and they'll just they can't

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help but at that time feel a bit bummed

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out but uh

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i'm like trust me if you understood it

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you'd be on my side but yeah if this was

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a game like for example chaoseum's

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runequest where the head has its own hit

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points and there are mechanics built

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into it for uh okay you aim for the head

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that will reduce your rounding

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initiative and your minus 25 off your

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attack roll to see if you hit

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then you hit the head

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that works but with d d because it is

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that like you said it's that fighting

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spirit it's that energy to keep going

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it doesn't necessarily work cause

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you've got a big bad evil guy who's

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i mean i know players love to ruin the

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big bad evil guy's monologue

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but ruining the monologue by

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decapitating him

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it's got a different feel to

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polymorphing him into a sheet because

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that at least works in the mechanics yes

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yeah i on that note i have planned

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probably about three years ahead of what

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i'm required to to ensure my big bad

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evil guy gets their monologue like i'm

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not taking any

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anti-magic zone silence like the players

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aren't doing anything he is he is having

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a spiel

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i have

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made it in my campaign so that he will

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get his monologue so much that i

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actually turned the big bad one of the

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big bad evil guys of my dungeon dragons

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one e campaign that i'm running travis

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delay spark

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into one of the player characters

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grandfathers

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[Laughter]

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so she was adopted and then because of

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things that happened ma really

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complicated basically i had to punish

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the rogue for something yeah so i

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decided to punish him by making it so

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that the guy that he killed was actually

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the wizard's father estranged

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biological father yeah and then it was

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like you know what

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that character is now the son of the big

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bad evil guy so yeah the big baby guy is

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the grandfather of the wizard yes and

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how that's that's some good motivation

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for the for the the big bad to be like

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well you killed my son so now i'm pissed

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the line i love that i did drop on them

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was um oh i'm so sorry dear did i miss

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too many birthdays

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and they thought i was being sarcastic i

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was genuinely playing the bad guy as

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genuinely concerned he'd missed his

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granddaughter's birthdays

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oh that's cute yeah we gotta get our

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monologues oh absolutely yeah yeah like

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allow me that bit of railroading please

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guys you've had you've had 100 sessions

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of freeform like you're giving me this

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please please i've rehearsed this in the

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mirror

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it is it literally is get out of my head

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man yeah

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i think all games masters do it doesn't

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matter what campaign you do you do to an

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extent practice voices or you at least

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practice getting into the mindset of

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certain npcs

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and it's so frustrating with the

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characters don't talk to that mpc

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yeah it's like i was ready

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oh yeah so

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back on track then um yeah so

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as i said like

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i think it works in d and d and again

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i'm going to rely on your expertise of

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other ttrpgs here but i think it works

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in dmd because there's so many other

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class abilities and features

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that play the part of

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affecting different body parts so you

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know fighters can disarm

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there's other things to blind there's

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other things there's a i think the

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samurai fighter subclass can basically

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hamstring somebody so you reduce their

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speed aka attacking their legs

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essentially so that's another reason why

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i don't

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like called shots in d d because

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it takes away uh other characters

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special abilities exactly which again is

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a very difficult thing to articulate in

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the middle of combat especially to

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newbies who are just like this is in

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isolation and there won't be any

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knock-on effects

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no actually yeah because once you set

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something as precedence then everyone's

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going to do it as well

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yeah yeah precisely yeah and it's like

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well actually the guy after you was

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about to do that with a ability that

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consumes a thing and if you do it for

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free then

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we're back into this

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exactly it's sticky situation here as

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games masters and players never seem to

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understand is it's our job to balance it

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it's our job to make sure that everyone

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has a fair chance and everyone gets an

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opportunity to feel like a badass which

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is way more difficult than it sounds

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yeah

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i've got to say balancing

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encounters so much easier than balancing

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the party in terms of making the combat

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fair for everyone versus trying to keep

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power levels in parity i i know in my 5e

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campaign that i've got again this on

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youtube i've had so many problems with

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um the sorcerer character and the

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barbarian getting way more kills than

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the paladin and the bard yeah and i've

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actually worked with the bards to

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actually help her

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feel a bit more productive in combat

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because she was hoping to be like the

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healer and the support and all this and

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then because the paladins then come in

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he's got his cure wounds and they're as

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good healers as each other

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yeah

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but now she's kind of gone more down the

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route of like dps and debuff

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yeah it is it is tricky i think

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we're digressing a little bit here but i

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do really like this discussion so i'm

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going to keep going in that

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what's again not immediately obvious

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and still you know i'm still learning

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now is that although the classes seem on

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paper very

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aligned and balanced they do have

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different skill ceilings it is it is

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like different classes in in a video

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game for example so some are really easy

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to pick up but the skill ceiling is is

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super high and some are you know hard to

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pick up but are very rewarding and i

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think bard is one of those ones that's

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a little bit trickier to really

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maximize the potential out of

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versus a barbarian yeah versus something

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like a barbarian who if you just go

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default default default class options

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all the way down you are kicking ass

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pretty soon but without a huge amount of

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thought with bard there isn't a default

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it's all over the place i mean the

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combination of jack-of-all-trades and

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expertise

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you could have an entire party of bards

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and have no two bars alike yes where you

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should have a party of barbarians and

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everyone's taking a different

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primal path

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but they're gonna

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effectively function the same it's just

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that one's gonna be a bit better at

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taking damage that was no better dealing

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damage and the berserker is currently

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exhausted in the corner

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yeah precisely i genuinely rolled up a

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barbarian berserker recently and

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realized how awful the class is i don't

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know completely

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it's no it's not one that's been too

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attractive to me i have to admit and

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it's it's probably because in the back

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of my head there was some a glaring

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problem i'd like to think but uh yeah

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well raging you get to attack three

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times you've taken the dual will hey

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that's attacking four times around which

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is amazing

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but the second you finish combat you're

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exhausted

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chimney right yeah i can imagine you can

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accidentally kill yourself by level 12

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because you can rage five times five

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points of exhaustion dead no death saves

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don

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i like this is still on track this is

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still talking about health because

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obviously we're talking about dying here

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so what i like about that is i've in one

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of the campaigns i'm playing in i'm

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playing a barbarian path of the zealot

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oh and paladin and they're kind of the

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opposite like he can't die because

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it's if you're raging you can't die

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basically you still make death saves but

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they don't take into effect until after

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you stop raging raging doesn't stop

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until you're knocked unconscious so

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you've just got this feedback loop of i

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can just keep going and keep going and

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keep going and keep going and yes i'm

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going to die after this

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yeah but here's the trick right this is

391
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why i power gamed a little bit and

392
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taking a few levels in paladin is

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because

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it isn't a spell

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so you can cast it while raging

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so you can just be like right is is the

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threat over yet think heal myself one hp

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literally some clever min maxing i like

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that

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i i have always like had a go at people

401
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not had a go at people but but called

402
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people out and ah you cheeky little mid

403
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maxer and little did i realize that i

404
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was doing that all along but um the

405
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thing is there's kind of a difference

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though because like someone who min

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maxes to the point where the character

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has no

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personality that's bad but what you just

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said there where you've taken a couple

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levels in paladin just to get the lay on

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hands and because you're a zealot anyway

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it makes sense exactly less into paladin

414
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exactly

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that was my defense all along and

416
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obviously my my oath is i can't remember

417
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what it is off the top of my head but it

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aligns with the de that i'm a zealot for

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anyway so it's all kind of again it's

420
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very similar it's a flavored

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you know i didn't really have to change

422
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my flavor at all it was like you're

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still a zealot barbarian it's just

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you're also getting some bits on the

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side yeah you're closer to the true

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religion that way

427
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yes because i always think because i've

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got in my party at the moment i've got a

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paladin and a barbarian of the uh

430
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barbarian zealot

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i always kind of think like so clerics

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are directly in contact with their deity

433
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yeah

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yeah

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paladins are a little bit in contact

436
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with their deity and

437
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i occasionally just throw random dreams

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of platinum dragons at the zealot

439
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because he's a zealot of bahamut

440
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oh wow okay and i just let him interpret

441
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that as he will

442
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that makes sense flavor-wise yeah

443
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exactly

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now the

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player decided to take the dream of a

446
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load of metallic dragons at peace as ah

447
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i need to come out as gay to the party

448
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so that was down to the player i i did

449
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nothing on that one that was his

450
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interpretation okay fine understood

451
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yeah

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it did cause a nice party banter in that

453
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and actually going back to the health

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thing actually on the zealot one thing i

455
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did think i love that zealots if animate

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dead is cast on them they just get

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revivified

458
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right okay

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uh

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if you're gonna walk me through that

461
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because that my my i've played that

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character in a while courtesy of so i'll

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just pull the path of the zealot really

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quick is that all right yeah yeah go

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ahead while you're doing that i can

466
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actually explain another thing i wanted

467
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to talk about is that i'm just gushing

468
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about my character now but hey oh god

469
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podcast

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um

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and the other thing is if you do after

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all i described earlier if you do

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eventually get

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killed you can be revived without

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material components so people are

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dropping revive fire on you for free

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essentially like there you go snap the

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fingers and you back up again no problem

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say yes i'm i'm looking forward to going

480
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back to being this unending anger

481
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machine yeah righteous fury

482
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so yeah actually sorry that was me

483
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misinterpreting the rule it's the

484
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warrior of the gods it's you don't need

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the spell components to respond

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as with rey's dead yes yeah that's they

487
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go great minds that's exactly what i was

488
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talking about yeah yeah it's it's

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fantastic so if you do get knocked down

490
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it's a piece of cake to bring you back

491
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especially at lower levels as well

492
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mm-hmm yeah it had a hella useful

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because

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in my campaign a couple of the players

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have been knocked and they've had issues

496
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in the past where

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the clerics had to be like guys that has

498
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cost me 500 gold to bring you back show

499
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some appreciation please that we could

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have spent on like health potions to

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stop it happening in the first place

502
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or just be careful

503
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yeah yeah

504
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yeah so you know there is

505
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absolutely value in there oh yeah so

506
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talking of exhaustion though

507
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we mentioned it there about the uh

508
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berserker barbarian and

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i'll jump on that as a segway

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so obviously we've talked about hp as

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fighting energy or fighting i don't like

512
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stamina because again that stamina

513
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implies it's it's something

514
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yeah stamina would be close to like

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spell points

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almost like almost like the um

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uh superiority dice or bardic

518
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inspiration that i'd imagine would be

519
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stamina yes that's a good way of

520
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thinking about it yeah for sure

521
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so it's like a willingness to fight in a

522
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way

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so exhaustion is

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kind of a sister to that right it's it's

525
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it's the same but different so i wanted

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to um obviously you've got a berserker

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barbarian and

528
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you can kill yourself at level 12 just

529
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by raging i'm just raging so hard right

530
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now

531
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so

532
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yeah i just i just wondered on your

533
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thoughts on exhaustion how it how it

534
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works with

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hp

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and how much of a

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drawback it potentially is and so on i

538
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mean with exhaustion at low levels it's

539
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not too bad because obviously at first

540
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level exhaustion you're rolling at

541
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disadvantage for all your ability checks

542
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and skill checks

543
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but then by the time you hit three

544
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you've got all the effects of those and

545
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i think your maximum hit points are

546
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halved

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and you're moving at half speed so that

548
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barbarian berserker who relies on moving

549
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40 feet per round

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and having the massive amount of hit

551
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points that a d12 hit dice allows them

552
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to have

553
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is now moving at 20 feet per round and

554
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has half the hit points they're used to

555
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just because

556
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they've been raging so often

557
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throughout the combat

558
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because the effects of rage don't negate

559
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the effects of exhaustion

560
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so

561
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,240
i think when you've got like a character

562
00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:07,919
that's not really suffering exhaustion

563
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,320
regularly which most characters aren't

564
00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:11,760
going to unless they push themselves i

565
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,679
think the only class can really think of

566
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,679
besides barbarian berserker that's going

567
00:19:13,679 --> 00:19:18,080
to suffer exhaustion regularly

568
00:19:15,679 --> 00:19:20,080
is probably like a wizard who might have

569
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,000
stayed up too late putting spells in

570
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,640
their spell tome

571
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,880
reading books exactly yeah which is a

572
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,520
massive aspect of the class

573
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,840
which is quite a nice parallel between

574
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,320
the stereotypically yeah more fighty

575
00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,480
frontline melee class and the

576
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,000
most stereotypically book learned

577
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,280
glass cannon back of the lion class

578
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,200
they've actually got something in common

579
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,720
which is quite romantic in a certain way

580
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,480
here oh my god i would love to have a

581
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,400
game campaign where a barbarian falls in

582
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,720
love with a wizard at some point over

583
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,880
their mutual exhaustion while the cleric

584
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,559
is calling the both idiots yeah they're

585
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,240
both just naked all the time and that's

586
00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:56,320
that's they meet in the middle and

587
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:59,039
that's their

588
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,039
wedding bells

589
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,919
but they're late because they're both so

590
00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,919
tired yeah

591
00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:06,240
but yeah i don't really know many of the

592
00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:10,080
classes where exhaustion comes into the

593
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:12,000
actual gameplay mechanics as much as

594
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,039
what it says those who like with

595
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,320
barbarian berserker it's literally in

596
00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,400
the rules that they will suffer

597
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,840
exhaustion for raging

598
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,840
and that's because they get that extra

599
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,919
attack which is a fantastic feature for

600
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,840
a class that deals as much damage as a

601
00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:27,280
barbarian does

602
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,679
and like i said the one time i actually

603
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,600
played a berserker i went with a

604
00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:33,760
um half orc

605
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,240
barbarian berserker who was dual

606
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:39,679
wielding axes blimey so you're getting

607
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,760
four attacks off in a round while raging

608
00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:43,120
then the bonus damage every attack with

609
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,480
advantage because if you're playing a

610
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,880
barbarian why aren't you attacking

611
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,320
recklessly every turn if you need to 100

612
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,760
yeah because that just ups your chance

613
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,080
of getting critical hits

614
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,000
yep i fully subscribed to the reckless

615
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,960
attacks in fact i said to my dungeon

616
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,360
master

617
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,200
from this point on just assume i am

618
00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,120
it's it will be the except it will be

619
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,559
the exception when i don't attack

620
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,640
recklessly and that's when i'll tell you

621
00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:06,960
i'm not but otherwise always hit me with

622
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,679
advantage dm from this point on the ego

623
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,200
carp launch i don't care anymore yeah no

624
00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:12,720
absolutely if i have a barbarian player

625
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,200
i'm just kind of assuming they're taking

626
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,360
reckless attack because why wouldn't you

627
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,640
yeah it would be like someone playing a

628
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:21,600
fighter samurai and not giving

629
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,679
themselves advantage

630
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,039
which i did i actually mentioned that

631
00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:26,480
because one of my party members mostly

632
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,720
mainlines fighters and fighter

633
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,240
subclasses and he was saying how can i

634
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,880
get do i have to do wheel to get more

635
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,480
attacks like well here's an option

636
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,760
because samurai have that ability that

637
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,760
allows them to just give them

638
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,679
self-advantage yeah for the rest of the

639
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,039
round yeah yeah and then they have an

640
00:21:39,679 --> 00:21:42,640
ability at higher levels where if they

641
00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:44,799
have advantage on attack they can

642
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,080
actually make two separate attacks

643
00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:47,760
oh okay

644
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,320
yeah i'll pull it up just to make sure

645
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:53,039
i'm right on that but i worked out that

646
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:56,159
if a samurai action surges that's 16

647
00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:56,159
attacks at level 20

648
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,080
i knew fighters are already like bonkers

649
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:04,400
so that is that is a wild i know

650
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,840
i only played a samurai level four

651
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,280
and yeah that i had that resource it was

652
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,520
quite limited at that level but it was

653
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,440
quite useful to combo it with action

654
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,200
surge to say okay give me advantage and

655
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,240
then i get two attacks this turn and

656
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,159
then obviously that would have been a

657
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,760
three yeah

658
00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:18,799
which is complete just to give yourself

659
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,880
advantage

660
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,840
before you've attacked is pretty

661
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,080
pretty

662
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,760
and for fighters that's such a great

663
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,919
ability

664
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,679
yeah here we go um

665
00:22:27,919 --> 00:22:31,039
rapid strike if you take an attack

666
00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:33,120
action on your turn have advantage an

667
00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:35,280
attack roll against one of the targets

668
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:37,360
you can forgo the advantage of that role

669
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,039
to make an additional weapon attack oh

670
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,640
wow against the target as part of the

671
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:42,559
same action

672
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,600
you can do so no more than once per turn

673
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:48,480
okay so you'd get a total of 10 attacks

674
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:51,280
if you action surged yeah but that's

675
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:53,440
still absurd right yeah yeah that i

676
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,600
really like that dynamic of consuming

677
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,440
advantage to turning yeah

678
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,760
i'm not a mathematician that that might

679
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,840
be like mathematically silly to do that

680
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,360
but i i like it as a you know as an

681
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,320
interesting decision at least at that

682
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,919
point

683
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,200
to make the call it's a fantastic one

684
00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:09,120
especially if you're in a situation with

685
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,000
a big evil guy you know has got like an

686
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:14,480
absurd armor class

687
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,240
and it's like okay do i take advantage

688
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,880
to increase my chance of hitting with

689
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,360
one attack or do i attack twice and hope

690
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,840
that both of them

691
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,440
yeah hit

692
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,039
people who aren't human calculators like

693
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,280
myself that is just on the face of it

694
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:29,440
are very interesting decision but yeah

695
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,280
that's the 15th level ability of samurai

696
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,679
rapid strike yeah i really like the

697
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:36,000
samurai class because it is a good class

698
00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:37,679
yeah i'd like to revisit it at some

699
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,320
point um

700
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:41,200
so talking of exhaustion just a second

701
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,559
ago

702
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,919
the campaign i'm playing in dungeon

703
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,600
stars and dudes

704
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:49,679
he is a funny enough a halfway barbarian

705
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,480
i think it is one exhaustion is one of

706
00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:51,760
those things we're talking about

707
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,080
depending on the level you have it at

708
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,799
but it is one of those things that is

709
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,640
as always context sensitive and by that

710
00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,480
in this instance i mean kind of where

711
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,080
you are in the adventure so if you're

712
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,240
doing like a beach episode or a shopping

713
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,919
episode in the city in your home city

714
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,600
then you know you might spend a week

715
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:10,080
there at which case that's seven long

716
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,080
rests at which case goodbye exhaustion

717
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,919
yeah exactly but if you if you're

718
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,080
in the middle of a dungeon or halfway

719
00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:18,240
out in the middle of nowhere and yeah

720
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,320
maybe you're you know it's a busy day in

721
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,760
quotes you're having a lot of combat

722
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,520
one or two levels of exhaustion is

723
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,760
suddenly a lot harder to get rid of and

724
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,000
that's it's that rubber banding of

725
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,840
time dilation that it's exactly yeah

726
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,159
prevalent that that really changes it

727
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,919
from oh my god this is going to [ __ ]

728
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:37,440
my class for the next five sessions yeah

729
00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:38,720
oh it's already gone

730
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,600
about it

731
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,440
and

732
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,440
going on that as well actually even

733
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,679
taking it out of a combat scenario let's

734
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,640
say you've suffered exhaustion

735
00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:49,760
for saving a town yeah

736
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,120
and

737
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,720
the

738
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:54,799
leader of the town the local law master

739
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,159
the mayor whatever the gm decides to

740
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:58,320
call them

741
00:24:56,159 --> 00:25:01,120
has invited you to a dinner in your

742
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,039
honor and you're currently failing on to

743
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:06,320
exhaustion

744
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:08,159
and you're the face character let's say

745
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:11,360
you're rolling at disadvantage for all

746
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:13,360
of your persuasion all of your charm or

747
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,960
everything that you are used to being so

748
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,799
good at

749
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,080
you're now bad at i mean honestly it's

750
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:20,720
one of the things i love to do to like

751
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,600
bards more so than any

752
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,760
because

753
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,039
bards get so many skills i mean the only

754
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,039
class that gets more skills in them is a

755
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:28,720
rogue but they tend to focus more on the

756
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,720
deck skill so it doesn't really worry

757
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,799
too much about like yeah can i seduce

758
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,000
the dragon let's say the classic

759
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:37,520
yeah so dropping exhaustion on a bard

760
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,120
make them roll disadvantaged on

761
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,960
persuasion

762
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,919
i thought that was a smart idea until my

763
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,520
bard player realized that as a college

764
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:49,039
of eloquence barge you can't roll less

765
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,000
than a 10 on persuasion yeah so that

766
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:51,760
ruined that plan i need to come with

767
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,039
something else

768
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,320
i mean on one hand i like the

769
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,240
interesting decisions but on the other

770
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,600
hand i also like because there's other i

771
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,159
think rogues get something similar where

772
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,919
they can't roll less than a 10 on yeah

773
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:04,720
something as well which is quite nice

774
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:06,400
it's probably stealth for acrobatics

775
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,240
something like that yeah maybe it's a

776
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,679
save maybe it's a deck save or something

777
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,080
like that they can just default it to a

778
00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:13,919
10 which is quite smart oh yeah

779
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,000
so yeah i've been

780
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:17,840
fortunate enough never to

781
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,240
really suffer from exhaustion in a way

782
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,520
that wasn't like oh you've been fighting

783
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,360
so hard you've been fighting for a day

784
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,799
you've got exhaustion oh well we're at

785
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:27,760
the end of the day anyway so i'll just

786
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:30,320
sleep off like i've never had to really

787
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,919
as a player deal with it too much

788
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:36,480
but i've got a question for you okay

789
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:38,880
which is talking of fighting energy and

790
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,279
talking of dropping to zero hp in the

791
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,400
middle of a fight yeah it's a bit fourth

792
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,760
wall breaking it's a bit um suspension

793
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,960
of disbelief

794
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,240
breaking

795
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,480
when

796
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,159
say you've got the barbarian who's just

797
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,640
been well let me put it another way so

798
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:56,400
you've got the paladin who is just been

799
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,159
at the front of the fight and it's just

800
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,559
been getting stomped on and whomped on

801
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:02,400
by yeah that's 60 points of damage oof

802
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,000
the rest of the party recoil and terror

803
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,559
because that would have killed them and

804
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,480
boom takes another 30 damage oh everyone

805
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:10,559
wins him eventually they go down they

806
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,520
hit zero and everyone's like oh my gosh

807
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,840
you know

808
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,320
like they've just been beaten to a pulp

809
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,480
somebody can almost trip and fall and

810
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,279
just like touch them with a cure wounds

811
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,720
and they're back up again you know 100

812
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,760
fighting

813
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,520
prowess and capacity so

814
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,039
that is even for me you know when you

815
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,279
when i put it in such a

816
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:33,200
obviously somewhat cynical uh example

817
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:36,159
like that it sounds

818
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,960
a bit it's silly does

819
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:40,960
it it does sort of i know it's a fantasy

820
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,120
game so there is a level of suspension

821
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,120
disbelief but there has to be a level of

822
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,840
realism to it as well otherwise the

823
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:49,520
threat doesn't feel

824
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,039
real and then obviously that like yeah i

825
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,640
get it it's it's a tricky situation for

826
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,240
designers i'm not a game designer i

827
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,399
don't i'm not i haven't got a you know

828
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,559
i'm not about to wow everybody with a

829
00:27:56,399 --> 00:28:00,480
completely robust alternative solution

830
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:03,120
no of course not what that does lead to

831
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,840
though is like a yo-yo effect especially

832
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,520
in parties that aren't maybe um they're

833
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,360
still kind of learning

834
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,440
each other learning a dynamic learning

835
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,600
how the game works so it leads to

836
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,039
someone's down i'd better heal them

837
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,640
i'll shout healing word of them from

838
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,320
across the room and they're back up yeah

839
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,120
paladin stands back up at maybe like

840
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,360
seven hp depending on the you know and

841
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:26,240
then oh i'm still standing right

842
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,080
underneath this basilisk stomp for 30

843
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,000
damage well okay

844
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,919
you've kind of wasted two turns in that

845
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000
you've wasted the healing word bonus

846
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:36,240
action and also maybe the to a certain

847
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,679
extent maybe the death saving rule on

848
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,679
the palate maybe he could have rolled up

849
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:41,840
you know higher than 10 and done it for

850
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:43,360
free exactly yeah you'd never know

851
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,880
because you might roll a nap 20. i mean

852
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,880
i know it's only a one in twenty chance

853
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,240
or a five percent chance but there is

854
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,559
always the chance that you'll roll a nap

855
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,600
20 and just get back up with one hit

856
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,520
point

857
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,520
yeah that i find less

858
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,200
i i'm more attracted to the idea of just

859
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,799
rolling a 20 and just standing back up

860
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,440
because it's like a you know and it's an

861
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:02,720
adrenaline rush yeah it's like a heroic

862
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,039
feat of

863
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,960
i can do this all day like

864
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:09,200
yeah exactly rather than just someone

865
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,919
going get well soon across the room and

866
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,080
they just stand up again like huh what

867
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:16,000
exactly is like what happened there

868
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,480
i guess i'm alive now

869
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,399
so there are i've seen people suggest

870
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,240
alternative rules for like to try and

871
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:24,480
make dropping to zero be a bit of a

872
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,600
bigger deal exactly yeah because i i

873
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,480
know that

874
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,320
i played a one-off level 20 campaign and

875
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,760
everybody was just a bit baffled by

876
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,440
their classes

877
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,279
i was i think i was a cleric at that

878
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,720
point and just diving in i think maybe

879
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,120
first or second time playing a cleric

880
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:42,080
diving at level 20. i was like oh what

881
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,760
the hell is going on here uh so

882
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,480
that there was a yo-yo a couple times of

883
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:49,679
i'll cast your wounds at level three

884
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:53,520
maybe oh that's healed 15.

885
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:55,679
great but the paladin's got 170 hp so

886
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,399
it's kind of worthless to a certain

887
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:59,279
extent and then stomp he's down again so

888
00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:00,880
yeah

889
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,279
people have thought about alternatives

890
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,279
to getting knocked down to zero hp and i

891
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,960
just wondered what if you've heard of

892
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,559
them what your thoughts are are there

893
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,399
any ways to

894
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,080
maybe increase the impact but not so

895
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:15,520
much that it makes it essentially a game

896
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,039
over i mean one i quite like to run

897
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,480
in the games and obviously when it comes

898
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,559
down to it a lot of these are home brew

899
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,640
rules that the party or the players come

900
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,760
up with and agree at the table

901
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,039
so

902
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,360
using the nat 20 get back up again

903
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:31,679
they're fine they're up their natural

904
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,440
instincts have driven them to recover

905
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,880
and they're standing again

906
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,360
it's their turn

907
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,200
yeah that said

908
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,120
if it's a situation with like someone

909
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,120
dumps a healing potion an unconscious

910
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,440
person i've actually said if someone's

911
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,799
unconscious you can't make them drink a

912
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,960
healing potion because they will drown

913
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:53,279
see that i'm gonna jump in here because

914
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,919
i talked on a previous episode about

915
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:57,919
everybody using bonus actions to drink

916
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:59,919
potions yeah and so much just to show

917
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:01,519
it's even a bonus action to

918
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:02,399
feed a potion to somebody else who's

919
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,240
down

920
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:05,760
and and you're swinging the pendulum the

921
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,600
other way to say you can't even do it

922
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,840
with an action which is which is really

923
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,360
interesting and i'm probably more

924
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,840
aligned with your train of thought than

925
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,399
i am the commonplace practice of bonus

926
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,919
action potions for that precise reason

927
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:20,080
you're in the middle of a fight right

928
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:21,840
you're not about to like put pop their

929
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,519
head up on a pillow be like they're

930
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,440
there come on let's you know have your

931
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,880
medicine put on a little teaspoon and

932
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,840
feed it into their mouth you know you

933
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,080
don't

934
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,679
yeah just eat the glass at their face

935
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,000
and be like get up

936
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:36,960
oh what i have said with the party is

937
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,399
you can't feed it to them you can pour

938
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,120
it over them it will have a lesser

939
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:42,880
effect but it will still heal them

940
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,240
so you know how a basic healing potion

941
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:50,159
does 2d 4 plus 2 hit points yeah it now

942
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:52,000
just does 2d4 you lose that bonus

943
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:54,640
and that's just cart blanche across all

944
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,320
healing potions you lose that bonus on

945
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,360
an unconscious person

946
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,159
because it's got to get into their

947
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,080
system via their skin basically yes yeah

948
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:03,679
like through the wound so it loses some

949
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,919
of that potency but at least they've got

950
00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:06,880
hit points that's one i hadn't heard of

951
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:08,159
i really like that one though it's

952
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,720
interesting a different a different

953
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:12,559
approach and on the bonus action potion

954
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,159
thing i actually do run that in the

955
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,240
campaign so you can use a bonus action

956
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:19,120
to take a potion

957
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,760
but i also mitigate it to an extent

958
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,760
i have all player starter packs so

959
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,559
adventuring starter packs in my

960
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:29,519
campaigns have what i call

961
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:31,600
a potion prepare pack

962
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,679
so they can prepare like a caster would

963
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,559
prepare spells they can repair up to

964
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:38,880
three

965
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:40,320
potions poisons oils that kind of thing

966
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,600
and to use one of those in the middle of

967
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,960
combat is a bonus action not an action

968
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,559
but if they want to use something that's

969
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,480
not one of those three it takes an

970
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:50,159
action

971
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,240
so it's a way of keeping the combat

972
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:54,880
flowing because when i first played guns

973
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:58,480
and dragons and we are going back about

974
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,159
12 years at this point um when i used to

975
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,000
play john's dragon as one e

976
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:03,440
with my friends in college it used to

977
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,440
really bother me because i was the front

978
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,080
line fighter i was all i either played

979
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,559
fighter ranger or paladin in one e

980
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,120
and it was always me taking the hits and

981
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:14,480
it was like i have to keep attacking

982
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,320
they have to keep healing me or i have

983
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,880
to take a healing potion and i couldn't

984
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,039
take the healing potion and attack

985
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640
so it just made me feel like right i

986
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:26,399
have to keep attacking and

987
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,640
i wound up killing off two characters

988
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:30,399
because i had to do that

989
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,679
because the cleric just wasn't healing

990
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:34,399
me

991
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:35,760
yeah it's it's it's lossy for the front

992
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:37,440
line to do it because you've lost the

993
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,600
turn of attacking and of course you're

994
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,519
not taking damage if everybody's dead so

995
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,880
exactly the enemies are dead so it's

996
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,080
it's a lossy process you might heal

997
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,600
yourself for 10 but then you've

998
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,960
sacrificed a turn of getting maybe

999
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,679
there'll be another round of getting hit

1000
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:52,159
for 11. so you've a net loss of one hp

1001
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:53,840
still so it's yeah but in regard with

1002
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:56,240
using the healing potion or using

1003
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,000
healing word or cure wounds

1004
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,360
i like to think of those in terms of

1005
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,000
combat as

1006
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,919
a defibrillator or

1007
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840
uh an epipen for someone who's going

1008
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:07,440
into

1009
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,639
shock so it's that sudden kick of

1010
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,159
adrenaline to their system to get their

1011
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,359
heart pumping get them better get them

1012
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,200
on their feet

1013
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:15,200
get them back in the fight

1014
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,839
but when the fight is over that

1015
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,560
character does get a point of exhaustion

1016
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:22,480
oh there we go there's the juice right

1017
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,520
but if they get themselves back up say

1018
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,240
with a nap 20 they don't have exhaustion

1019
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,399
or

1020
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:30,960
if they stabilize through death saves or

1021
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:32,000
are stabilized first before the cure

1022
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,200
wounds

1023
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000
they don't

1024
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,280
so i like to force my players to really

1025
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,839
think about their actions what the

1026
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,480
consequences are going to be is it

1027
00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:44,480
worth making this rash

1028
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,200
decision now

1029
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,359
because later it might really impact us

1030
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,040
that is again not what i've heard of but

1031
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:52,879
it's a really interesting ad adds a

1032
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,560
slight layer of complexity but the

1033
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:56,320
complexity comes from the players having

1034
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,079
to make that call of okay let's just get

1035
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,480
them up now and that's a problem for

1036
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,920
future me is exhaustion

1037
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,240
the future party worry about that or is

1038
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,800
it a case of wasting action

1039
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:09,119
trying to stabilize now and then another

1040
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,119
turn yeah but then not having to worry

1041
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,200
about that in the future

1042
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:15,119
that is one i'm going to write down

1043
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,400
and think about

1044
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:19,040
introducing

1045
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,800
as another dimension there because

1046
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,160
it was a loaded question as you might

1047
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,079
have guessed because i am also like

1048
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,839
just standing back up as

1049
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,520
is a bit trivial and i've you know i've

1050
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:31,200
got a druid in the party who's very keen

1051
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,640
on just dropping healing word and bush

1052
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,000
smash brush everyone's up again and it's

1053
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,359
a bit like

1054
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,359
come on there's a there's a bit more

1055
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:39,680
gravitas to what you you've saved

1056
00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:41,440
someone's life there that isn't just a

1057
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,200
get up okay fine whatever no one cares

1058
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,560
no i'm back tonight that annie i i felt

1059
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,800
like they needed to be a bit more

1060
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,920
gravitas to be like no he he was gonna

1061
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,359
die like yeah he was on death's door

1062
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,000
yeah yeah yeah i know it's only like a

1063
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:56,079
49 chance or whatever but i wouldn't bet

1064
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,200
on those odds no

1065
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,240
absolutely not

1066
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,160
if i've got those odds give me a dna

1067
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:03,599
[Laughter]

1068
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,960
sorry

1069
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:12,909
sorry ward humour

1070
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,909
[Music]

1071
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:22,480
[Music]

1072
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,400
hello danilo in post production here

1073
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,920
with a couple of announcements first

1074
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,400
this episode you're currently listening

1075
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,240
to is the finale of season one 25

1076
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,440
episodes seemed like as good a number as

1077
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:35,839
any so that means next week will be a

1078
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,200
special wrap up and retrospective

1079
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:39,440
featuring a few special segments

1080
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,040
including a q a if you have any

1081
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,640
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1082
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,640
campaign or anything else really please

1083
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,480
let me know through the usual social

1084
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,440
links and i shall be answering them next

1085
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,520
week

1086
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,599
secondly i am running a little

1087
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,839
competition just for the listeners the

1088
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:56,800
prize is a care package from gametee a

1089
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:59,119
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1090
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,920
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1091
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:04,480
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1092
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,400
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1093
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,640
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1094
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,560
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1095
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,160
the competition the winner will be

1096
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,079
decided at random and announced during

1097
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,040
next week's show and that's it without

1098
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:18,400
any further ado back to the show

1099
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,440
but no on

1100
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,520
healing words and everything i

1101
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,160
completely get that i mean in

1102
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,320
the 5e campaign i've got the

1103
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,960
paladin has dropped to zero hit points

1104
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,680
about three times

1105
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,200
purely by his own hubris more than

1106
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,079
anything else

1107
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,240
i mean he's a halfling paladin who

1108
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:40,079
thinks he can sneak oh clunking around

1109
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:42,240
and play armor yeah

1110
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,640
and one of my favorite parts that's

1111
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,400
happened so far i mean the characters

1112
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,920
played by my older brother who like me

1113
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,720
likes to build

1114
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,680
wrecked characters

1115
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:55,040
like

1116
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,880
his paladin has charisma score of 10.

1117
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,160
wow

1118
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,040
useless

1119
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,040
yeah

1120
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,920
with the exception of like

1121
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,359
a few spells he's basically reduced his

1122
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,400
spell list

1123
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:09,280
to only the barest healing spells

1124
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,240
and

1125
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,359
spells that don't require a dc save yeah

1126
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,200
because it's the only way he's getting

1127
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:16,000
anywhere yeah

1128
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,480
and

1129
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,720
because of that he's more like he's more

1130
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,119
like a holy fighter so he's got some of

1131
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,240
the holy abilities like the divine smite

1132
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,920
and everything which doesn't need the

1133
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,359
charisma

1134
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,200
but he's

1135
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:30,960
much more focused on like getting into

1136
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,040
combat getting in melee

1137
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,640
keeping the party safe really protector

1138
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,240
role

1139
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,320
so because of that

1140
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,839
he winds up getting dropped the most

1141
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,119
so of the party he's suffered the most

1142
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:42,800
exhaustion

1143
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:44,720
right which

1144
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,599
just has been quite good for some like

1145
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,359
really fun player interaction bits

1146
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,720
because he was actually exhausted going

1147
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:52,000
into a boss fight they were going to

1148
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,520
have

1149
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,359
so his plan was that him and the

1150
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,560
sorcerer were going to stay outside the

1151
00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:00,720
city lines and just throw things in with

1152
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,160
this archery battalion they had

1153
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,599
and

1154
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,599
because obviously being a halfling he

1155
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:07,920
only has a speed of 25 when the actual

1156
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,079
boss fight happened it was just the bard

1157
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,160
and the barbarian inside trying to

1158
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:16,160
masquerade as lizard folk

1159
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,800
that went wrong because yeah sorcerer

1160
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,160
dropped a fireball on them

1161
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,839
usually happens

1162
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,599
and

1163
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:25,839
by the end of the boss fight because of

1164
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,440
his exhaustion he actually didn't get a

1165
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:28,400
single attack off

1166
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,480
oh

1167
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,160
the sorcerer the barbarian the bard had

1168
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,720
already dealt with it

1169
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,520
to the point where the barbarian became

1170
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:40,240
the party healer for a turn

1171
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,760
right okay because the bard got to zero

1172
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,359
hit points and he just dumped a healing

1173
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,520
potion down a throat

1174
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:46,560
yeah or like poured it over

1175
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,520
yeah

1176
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,760
wow

1177
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,520
so i think exhaustion if it's used right

1178
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,839
by both the gm and the players and it

1179
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,200
does require the players to really role

1180
00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:57,359
play it

1181
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,119
because this is exhaustion this isn't

1182
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:00,880
just i'm feeling a bit tired i didn't

1183
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,640
get to sleep last night oh i didn't have

1184
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,359
a cup of coffee this morning

1185
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,280
that's not exhaustion no if as a person

1186
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:10,560
you've never actually felt exhaustion

1187
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:13,040
it's very difficult to explain it

1188
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,839
and i've only felt it recently with

1189
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:19,359
working on a very busy covert ward in

1190
00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:21,920
the height of the pandemic in britain

1191
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:24,560
you feel like your bones are breaking

1192
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,160
under you with exhaustion

1193
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,280
and

1194
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,200
it's

1195
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,880
really down to the players to

1196
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,640
role play that properly

1197
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,000
um i think if you frame it within dnd

1198
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,200
which is the example we're using right

1199
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,440
now of like these guys are otherwise

1200
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,079
crazy heroes of the realm right they can

1201
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,560
tackle liches and demons and dragons and

1202
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,920
stuff yeah so if they're if they are

1203
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,640
exhausted

1204
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,839
it's pretty flipping bad at that point

1205
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,040
right if

1206
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:55,119
otherwise they're leaping from

1207
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,440
battlement to battlement to grapple a

1208
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,720
flying dragon and shooting meteors from

1209
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,280
their hands

1210
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:04,720
they're feeling tired then it must be

1211
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:08,160
pretty darn tired yeah exactly

1212
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,160
it isn't just like ah

1213
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,400
it was tossed in turning last night oh i

1214
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,960
feel a bit rough this morning

1215
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,040
yeah it's like nah

1216
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,119
you you have a health problem funnily

1217
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,000
enough yeah and it's not one that can be

1218
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:24,160
cured with like cure disease or cure

1219
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,839
wounds i think the only spell that can

1220
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,400
actually help with exhaustion is um

1221
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:30,880
restoration yes yeah i can't remember if

1222
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,119
it's lesser or greater but yeah i yeah

1223
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,960
sounds right to me yeah and that's

1224
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,240
actually quite a high spell slot for

1225
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,119
dealing with something that most people

1226
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,880
would go oh i'm just getting

1227
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:41,119
disadvantaged on my ability checks oh

1228
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,720
well now i'm just rolling disadvantage

1229
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,400
on my saves that'll be fine and by the

1230
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:47,280
time you're at three

1231
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:50,560
there's no way a low level druid or

1232
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:53,280
cleric or bard is going to have enough

1233
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,560
spell slots to actually heal that

1234
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,640
it's something you've almost got to deal

1235
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,079
with there and then or it's going to get

1236
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,280
worse

1237
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,359
so i've just i've just brought it up

1238
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,000
actually and it actually has to be

1239
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:06,319
greater restoration

1240
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,480
so lesser doesn't do exhaustion

1241
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:10,560
explicitly yeah he does a few like

1242
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,800
poisoned and so on and so on and greater

1243
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,960
does all of the above plus exhaustion

1244
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,160
level by one as well so if you've got

1245
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,400
more than one so it that is a really

1246
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,920
now we've put it in plain paper that's a

1247
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,560
really

1248
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,640
interesting case of

1249
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,400
so it's a fifth level spell to do one

1250
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,200
level of exhaustion

1251
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,880
or

1252
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,839
and this is a direct parallel to a

1253
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,640
benefit or a long rest and an a hearty

1254
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:37,839
meal

1255
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:40,000
will have the same effect which is

1256
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:41,520
weird i i can't think of another example

1257
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,000
in the game where there's such a

1258
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,960
one-to-one parallel between us you know

1259
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,440
a spell and a non-spell effect that will

1260
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,520
have the same result mm-hmm but i guess

1261
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,040
the problem there is that the spell is

1262
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,280
instantaneous

1263
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,359
yes whereas the long rest you lose a day

1264
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,720
you lose eight hours

1265
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:00,400
again but i can't you know campaign

1266
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:03,119
sensitive right it's it that could mean

1267
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,440
the world or it could mean very little

1268
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:08,000
i must admit it's only 100 gp so it's

1269
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,160
not breaking the bank probably for

1270
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,319
adventurers

1271
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,359
level spells yeah but it's it's still an

1272
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:15,760
interesting

1273
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:17,760
thought process there to be like

1274
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,160
you know i mean the curse other things

1275
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,480
greater restoration does is cast

1276
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,000
a reduction to an ability score which is

1277
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,319
a pretty big deal

1278
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,400
yeah or reducing hit points charmed or

1279
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:30,800
petrified which again a

1280
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,359
charm not as big but petrified is

1281
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,800
obviously a game that's exactly like a

1282
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:36,400
game over you know especially if you can

1283
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,599
hit basilisks that say level three or

1284
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,560
four

1285
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,440
you're screwed without greater

1286
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:44,800
restoration so um see that it does you

1287
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,240
know it's a powerful spell and it is

1288
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,160
i think that's why there's so much talk

1289
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,000
around exhaustion of

1290
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,520
you could throw out like a more

1291
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,960
two-dimensional solution to the one you

1292
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,280
propose is

1293
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,960
if someone goes down to zero hit points

1294
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,359
they have a level of exhaustion yeah you

1295
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,440
know simple binary yeah you hit zero hit

1296
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:02,880
points next time you get up regardless

1297
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,040
of how it is

1298
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,079
you've got a level of exhaustion because

1299
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,599
when you say

1300
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:10,160
the payment of that is a fifth level

1301
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:12,400
spell of a hundred gold that is consumed

1302
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,280
i might add so it's 100 gold every time

1303
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,680
yeah

1304
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,680
that can quickly add up especially if

1305
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,200
you've got yoyo ring they stand up they

1306
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,680
get knocked they go back down okay well

1307
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,319
that's now two 200 gold or two two casts

1308
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,440
of great greater restoration i mean

1309
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:26,960
actually going back to the subject we

1310
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,119
actually said at the start with the um

1311
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,280
barbarian zealot

1312
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,800
barbarian zealot does

1313
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,240
basically fall in line with that a lot

1314
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,079
nicer because of the whole raised dead

1315
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,119
thing where they can just be brought

1316
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,240
back

1317
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,319
and

1318
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,599
i'm now really not sure whether it's my

1319
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:43,200
exhaustion is that because technically

1320
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,280
they're being raised

1321
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,200
by both whoever is using the raised dead

1322
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,040
but they're also having their god's

1323
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,000
input as well aren't they

1324
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,920
i see what you're getting there because

1325
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,599
in that case it is a do not resuscitate

1326
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,480
it is a do you know it's actually better

1327
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:59,040
if i die here yeah

1328
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,440
and then you can just ask my guardian

1329
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,599
get back on track after the fight in

1330
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,079
that situation i don't think you should

1331
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:07,920
applaud because that's basically

1332
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,839
like divine that is like a cleric's

1333
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,440
divine intervention in that situation

1334
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:14,560
because the god's actively getting

1335
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,079
involved to bring that zealot back yeah

1336
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,480
to say don't worry i'm providing the

1337
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:21,280
material components like i'm me and you

1338
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,800
halfway here so i would agree that in

1339
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,400
that instance no they wouldn't have a

1340
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,960
level of exhaustion because it is a

1341
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,760
divine interference to a certain extent

1342
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,400
to bridge that gap which case it is like

1343
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:35,040
i'd rather just die and then someone

1344
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,119
stabbed me if i go down

1345
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,359
and then catch that second level spell

1346
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:41,200
yeah i'll spend some time with my god in

1347
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:43,200
no worries we need to catch up anyway

1348
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,440
and then it'll pack me on the back side

1349
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,800
and i'll be i'll be good to go

1350
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,319
and in that situation it's like a

1351
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,000
cheaper version of commune as well yeah

1352
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:53,839
yeah which i think is like a cleric

1353
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,000
fourth level spell

1354
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:57,839
i do i like i haven't i have in my head

1355
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,400
and again this is how it be there's an

1356
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:01,839
episode of simpsons where homer you know

1357
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,000
he's up in heaven and he's sitting next

1358
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:06,560
yes to garden and they're on the the

1359
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,319
throne and homer's just like oh

1360
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,400
all right they just have like a chat it

1361
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:11,920
isn't like a a huge deal it isn't like

1362
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,000
tell me all the secrets of the universe

1363
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,440
it isn't no a bruce almighty situation

1364
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,960
it's just like oh you're right yeah yeah

1365
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,160
not too bad not too bad you're good well

1366
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,520
i'm feeling a bit down at the moment

1367
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,599
because you know my friends are fighting

1368
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,960
down there yeah

1369
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,319
do you want to get back to it do you

1370
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,960
know what yeah if you could that'd be

1371
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:29,760
great oh yeah cheers to you later mate

1372
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,400
i mean that is such a good episode

1373
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,680
in and of itself because i've recently

1374
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,480
been re-watching since because hey it's

1375
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,000
all on disney plus now yes yeah but that

1376
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,520
is generally a good episode because it

1377
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,400
does make you ask a few questions about

1378
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,240
like is god in church

1379
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,079
yeah but then actually relaying that

1380
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,640
into d and d

1381
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:50,800
i really like that

1382
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,359
and that's fantastic because i've got so

1383
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,520
many really religious characters in my

1384
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:58,480
campaigns at the moment yeah i mean i've

1385
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,920
got a cleric of a homebrew god

1386
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,599
um who's

1387
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,920
basically uh

1388
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:05,040
i've nicknamed him the god of nature and

1389
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,560
cruelty

1390
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,640
so wow that should tell you about what

1391
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,560
that kind of god is

1392
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,000
but then i've got the

1393
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,880
rogue is now a

1394
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,760
devotee of helm and the wizard has got

1395
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,520
like bane watching over her because her

1396
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,800
family is directly connected to the dark

1397
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,000
god bane

1398
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,920
oh yes which is hilarious when they're

1399
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,440
going he's an evil god he's a bad god

1400
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,880
and then he actually turns up and

1401
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,800
they're all like

1402
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,640
oh

1403
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,000
but i i like bringing the gods into it

1404
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,839
especially and with the healing because

1405
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,200
with d and d healing of the gods is

1406
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:38,559
directly connected

1407
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,520
it's yes

1408
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,720
a bit of a pet peeve of mine personally

1409
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,480
because the first time i ever played

1410
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:47,520
healer it was in a campaign where the

1411
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,440
healing was science it was medicine

1412
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,880
and that was just a hilarious tradition

1413
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,480
how that even started because i was

1414
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,680
originally the front line fighter of the

1415
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,359
party

1416
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,559
and it was a campaign where time travel

1417
00:47:55,359 --> 00:48:00,000
was a thing

1418
00:47:56,559 --> 00:48:01,680
so the entire party is down they're all

1419
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,200
dying

1420
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,160
no one has any healing i'm the only one

1421
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,359
conscious and i go i am going to time

1422
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,680
travel

1423
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:10,880
20 years in the past get my medical

1424
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,119
doctorate

1425
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,320
and all the medical supplies i need and

1426
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,640
come back when i'm 10 years older

1427
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,559
[Laughter]

1428
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,240
right and from that point on that just

1429
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,359
change the trajectory of not just that

1430
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,440
character because he went from being

1431
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:25,760
like an accountant who was also good

1432
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,040
with swords to being

1433
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,559
basically

1434
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:32,640
frankenstein mixed with dracula

1435
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,960
and that was then what started me mostly

1436
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,400
playing healers and

1437
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,160
i've kind of just do it all the time

1438
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,760
like as a main line i will go okay

1439
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,520
what's the healer variant right i'm

1440
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,599
having that

1441
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,880
i think with artificers

1442
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,960
i think they you could there's an

1443
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,960
argument there to say they can heal

1444
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,800
without i'm fairly certain they get cure

1445
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,319
wounds and i do i'm fairly certain

1446
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,960
there's an argument there to say they

1447
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:56,960
may be curing without divine interaction

1448
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,960
because they're more like arcanists like

1449
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,440
wizards warlock sorcerers yeah

1450
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,440
yeah um and of course wizards also don't

1451
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,520
have a religious aspect but i don't

1452
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,280
think they get any healing spells so

1453
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,880
they get one and this is a really cool

1454
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,480
spell and actually this is one i only

1455
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,240
found out recently

1456
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,400
um i can't remember the name of it but

1457
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,720
it's like a fourth level spell

1458
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,599
where they sacrifice

1459
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:22,720
3d eight of their own hit points

1460
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:24,960
and give double that to someone else

1461
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:27,040
now i think my cl i think the cleric in

1462
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,040
my game has that hmm

1463
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,720
yeah transference something like that

1464
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,359
yeah it's like health transference isn't

1465
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,839
it

1466
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:36,559
yeah yeah excuse excuse us listeners

1467
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:38,160
while we rapidly type on uh

1468
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,680
i've got my tablet ready i'm straight

1469
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,040
onto wikidot

1470
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,000
yeah here you go i've got life

1471
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:46,640
transference third level uh it is yeah

1472
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,599
you're right cleric and wizard yeah

1473
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,920
mad

1474
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:51,440
you take 48 necrotic damage which can't

1475
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,200
be reduced

1476
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,839
uh and one creature of your choice

1477
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,599
within range regains

1478
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:02,640
hit points equal to twice that damage oh

1479
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:04,640
see i thought it wasn't as bad as 48

1480
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,480
and then you can up it as well

1481
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,119
yes you can up cast it yeah if you want

1482
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,720
to push that push that envelope so yeah

1483
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,640
the cleric has told me you know out of

1484
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,880
character he's like that is my

1485
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,720
i'm gonna go nova in my healing

1486
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,040
essentially and then if i have to then i

1487
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:20,960
will yeah i will push that envelope and

1488
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,839
go right to the limit of what's possible

1489
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,200
um

1490
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:25,200
i did not know that was a wizard spell

1491
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,520
as well that is interesting i only found

1492
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,000
that out recently yeah yeah fitting

1493
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,440
thematically as well to say like it's a

1494
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,280
necromancy school right so they've

1495
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,760
they've had to learn some some naughty

1496
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,800
boy spells yeah and then secrets to be

1497
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,800
able to uh to pull that one off oh

1498
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,240
yeah interesting of course my my cleric

1499
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,640
in the campaign is a

1500
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:46,720
death domain and merkel is there so that

1501
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,160
again makes you know all the lines there

1502
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:50,640
oh yeah the only other one i was

1503
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,160
thinking about is bards now oh yeah i

1504
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,839
know that they're like

1505
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,839
i guess like again they get cure wounds

1506
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:57,359
at the very least healing word yeah and

1507
00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:00,480
again their

1508
00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:02,640
their magic comes from the weave and

1509
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,359
from yeah it's from creation itself

1510
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,839
isn't it yeah and like just from magic

1511
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:09,680
that's innate in in the world

1512
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:12,240
you could argue that both ways but you

1513
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,079
could say that their theirs isn't also

1514
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,680
necessarily a one-to-one

1515
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,640
right it's not directly connected and

1516
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,000
technically speaking you could say that

1517
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,520
with druids actually because they're not

1518
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,880
connected to a deity they're connected

1519
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,400
to nature itself but then isn't i mean

1520
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,240
again it's independent but isn't nine

1521
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,359
times out of ten nature itself and

1522
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:31,839
quotes basically represented by a goal

1523
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:33,440
some higher power again if your campaign

1524
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:35,280
or saying you know it doesn't

1525
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,960
necessarily have to be but i think

1526
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:41,680
mainly whether it's like sylvanas or

1527
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,440
somebody else or whatever i mean if

1528
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,319
clerics can have

1529
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,079
the whole oath of like nature

1530
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:51,839
then those are definitely nature gods

1531
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:53,760
that a druid could worship hmm yeah

1532
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:55,680
yeah it's it's an interesting it's an

1533
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,440
interesting one and i'm not

1534
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,280
super qualified to talk about like

1535
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,640
religion and the impact of religion and

1536
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,920
all that kind of stuff but in it

1537
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,160
obviously all this has been framed

1538
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,920
within dozens of dragons and exactly

1539
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,079
yeah it's it's an interesting one

1540
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,160
discussion to have and opens a lot more

1541
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:12,079
of a pandora's box than

1542
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,680
yeah and you really want to

1543
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,920
then frankly and thankfully we have

1544
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,200
enough time to talk about today yeah

1545
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,240
because that would just

1546
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,400
that i think that would have to be a

1547
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:22,319
whole nother conversation with someone

1548
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,280
who's more qualified than me

1549
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:27,440
yeah yes like guys for myself um

1550
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,440
but that's always been my only bug bear

1551
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,240
with dungeon dragons where there isn't

1552
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,599
like

1553
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,760
a

1554
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,760
science healer like like there's no

1555
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,880
magic whatsoever

1556
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,640
but then again it just doesn't work

1557
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,359
within the mechanics to be fair

1558
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,200
no

1559
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:42,720
you would have to have like

1560
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,319
it would be like it was like a fighter

1561
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,960
subclass

1562
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:48,079
almost like maybe like a battle medic

1563
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,240
yeah

1564
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:51,839
and i know the bannerist actually gets

1565
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,359
something where they can where basically

1566
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:55,760
when they use their

1567
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:58,480
uh second wind they can actually give

1568
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,400
some healing to anyone around them

1569
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,880
but like imagine that but like as

1570
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,000
an actual battle medic like frontline

1571
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,319
healer

1572
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,079
mm-hmm yeah there's a uh

1573
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:09,839
i took i don't know what it is but i've

1574
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:12,079
talked about glue maven a board game a

1575
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:13,440
lot recently oh yeah and um

1576
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,200
it's probably because i'm missing it

1577
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,640
more and and obviously the hope that we

1578
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,079
can start playing it again soon here in

1579
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,760
the uk um

1580
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:21,440
but there's a and this

1581
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,040
official spoiler warning for a

1582
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,400
gloomhaven class that isn't unlocked in

1583
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,920
the first six consider that you're

1584
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,280
warning everybody

1585
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,960
i'm presuming you're okay with me

1586
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,640
talking about oh yeah god yeah okay cool

1587
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,720
there's a there's a class that's uh

1588
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,240
indicated by a sore icon and you'll

1589
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:36,880
unlock it later on and it's it is

1590
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:38,160
basically like he said he he's a human

1591
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,920
in the universe for starters which

1592
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,400
immediately puts them on a little bit of

1593
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,079
a back foot in regards to weird and

1594
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,680
wonderful other bits that are going on

1595
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:48,800
yeah and he is a proper like the art and

1596
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,640
the fluff

1597
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,960
is proper like battle medic so he's

1598
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,000
literally like my weapons are sore bone

1599
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,359
like

1600
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,480
but i use that for healing as well as

1601
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:58,720
damaging

1602
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,359
and it's it's all the theme and all the

1603
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:03,599
fluff and all the flavor is around like

1604
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:05,520
somewhat brutal battle medicine of like

1605
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:07,040
yeah i'm just gonna snap your bones back

1606
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,680
together and you're just gonna have to

1607
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,359
grin and bear it yeah battlefield triage

1608
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,599
yeah exit precisely here's just a

1609
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:15,520
syringe of god knows what it's either

1610
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:18,319
going to hurt the enemy or heal you 50

1611
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,920
50. we're just gonna

1612
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:21,680
we're just gonna deal with it and you

1613
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,480
know like he's just carrying bloodied

1614
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,400
rags in the artwork yeah and he looks

1615
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,760
knackered funnily enough

1616
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,119
and that just maybe you know talking of

1617
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,400
like a battle medic just made me think

1618
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,240
of that and that was a really good

1619
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,319
artistic interpretation i like of that

1620
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,000
person who's just like weary because

1621
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:37,680
with one hand they're having to fight

1622
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,480
back abominations and the other they're

1623
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:43,040
having to apply splints and

1624
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,640
exactly yeah so yeah that would be

1625
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,040
it was yeah it's a good interpretation

1626
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,559
i'm sure probably someone is home brewed

1627
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,799
oh definitely all the gleam having

1628
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:52,880
glasses into dnd all right it's so

1629
00:54:50,799 --> 00:54:55,119
popular as a system and just as a game

1630
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,760
it looks so good i can't wait to like

1631
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,359
have like games back home like with

1632
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,640
everyone around the table

1633
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:02,480
yeah actually

1634
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,480
get it to be honest i've been looking at

1635
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,640
it for so long is getting it looks so

1636
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,799
good oh man it's fantastic yeah and it

1637
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,880
was we we had a really nice routine of

1638
00:55:08,799 --> 00:55:12,559
like every other friday i you don't know

1639
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,400
what you have until it's gone yeah and i

1640
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:16,480
didn't realize quite how cathartic it

1641
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,440
was you know literally like clocking off

1642
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,400
work

1643
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,599
these are my colleagues as well as

1644
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,200
playing with so we'd all clock off at

1645
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,720
work at similar time

1646
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,960
bulk round to mine

1647
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:27,680
and you know just shoot the [ __ ] get

1648
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,040
some kfc in yeah and just you know eat

1649
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,440
garbage

1650
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,640
you know play glee maven for for five

1651
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,160
hours you know rant about work

1652
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,160
it's just a good way of dealing with it

1653
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,160
and to be honest with my own youtube

1654
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,400
videos people actually ask me why i

1655
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,000
don't live stream like so many other

1656
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,240
people that do

1657
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,240
recorded sessions on youtube and things

1658
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,920
because most of them are via twitch or

1659
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:51,119
some other live streaming service

1660
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,880
it's because

1661
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:56,000
this is my friend group this isn't like

1662
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:58,559
something i'm doing as a job this is our

1663
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,920
weekly or every other weekly game

1664
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,680
and there's quite a lot of times we'll

1665
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,400
just have like a 5-10 minute break and

1666
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,920
just

1667
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:08,079
[ __ ] and moan about work and family and

1668
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:11,440
yeah and i just want to go through every

1669
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:12,799
week and cut that out yeah yeah but

1670
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,920
finally enough a guest that i was

1671
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:15,040
recording with recently he asked the

1672
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,720
same question

1673
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,920
to me is that your main game that you

1674
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,599
referenced in the episode it's the one

1675
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,040
that i've referenced this episode he's

1676
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,880
like do you do you stream that do you

1677
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,119
twitch it and i said you know what no

1678
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,200
and i don't think it would because it is

1679
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:28,480
again their colleagues and friends

1680
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,160
more friends than they are colleagues at

1681
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,720
this point and it is it serves a very

1682
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,000
specific purpose that would you know not

1683
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,839
be ruined but

1684
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,240
yeah it would change the dynamic i guess

1685
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:39,520
it's a better way to put it absolutely

1686
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,280
now to those listening this might have

1687
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,200
sounded like a huge

1688
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,200
off track however i'm going to

1689
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,240
definitely bring us back onto my last

1690
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,880
topic i had awesome which was uh mental

1691
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,240
health boom how how smooth the

1692
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,720
transition is that

1693
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,079
best ever

1694
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:58,720
so

1695
00:56:56,079 --> 00:57:00,160
it's a topic i talked about briefly with

1696
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:02,880
my friend simon

1697
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,400
on our episode on happiness

1698
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,799
and obviously we've talked about the

1699
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,319
mechanical stuff quite a lot but i just

1700
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:09,599
wanted to talk about a little bit on

1701
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:11,280
obviously it's been

1702
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:13,359
trying times for everybody absolutely

1703
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,280
and i know that the

1704
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:17,359
funnily enough the dnd game that we i do

1705
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,880
play in and i stream in

1706
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:20,319
has been

1707
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,319
an outlet

1708
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:23,680
you know it's it's i always look forward

1709
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:25,680
to games

1710
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,760
that's the nature of the game however i

1711
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,680
do have to say

1712
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,960
i've started to look forward to them

1713
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,440
more

1714
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,920
since being stuck in four walls

1715
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,079
it's that socialization isn't is that

1716
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,720
interaction with other people that we

1717
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:43,040
aren't getting as much as we're used to

1718
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,720
yeah it's it's just it's been slightly

1719
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,599
different it's really hard for me to

1720
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,920
articulate and um again this is a topic

1721
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,480
i'm in no way qualify to really give it

1722
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,319
the the weight and the absolutely

1723
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,319
impetus it deserves but what i'm what

1724
00:57:54,319 --> 00:57:59,520
i'm trying to get at is it's you know

1725
00:57:56,319 --> 00:58:00,960
playing d d and and playing tt rpgs and

1726
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,559
it's probably something that a lot of

1727
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,760
people can resonate with it has really

1728
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:04,559
been

1729
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,559
this

1730
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,240
savior of my

1731
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:11,040
you know mental health i suppose over

1732
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,359
the last 12 months it's been this

1733
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,960
when are we playing next boys saturday

1734
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:16,480
good i'm gonna

1735
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,640
settle down in front of my computer

1736
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,040
webcam on get some snackies in

1737
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,640
exactly yeah shoot the [ __ ] for for five

1738
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,640
hours and just to have a blast and it's

1739
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,960
the exact same over here because

1740
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,119
my main group the one that you might see

1741
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,119
in the travis of lace bar videos we've

1742
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:34,240
been playing over

1743
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:36,559
zoom uh messenger discord we've been

1744
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,440
playing that way for about five years

1745
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,960
now

1746
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,680
we've always done that because two of

1747
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,960
the

1748
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:46,079
main players chris and nick uh nick's

1749
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,440
there is a demented dm uh who i tweeted

1750
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:50,319
you about

1751
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,960
they both live in rugby which is about

1752
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:55,440
20 miles from where i live

1753
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,640
and that's a bit too far for us to go

1754
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,400
every week

1755
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,359
for a game that lasts about three four

1756
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,640
hours

1757
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:01,599
yeah

1758
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,880
and

1759
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:04,480
we did kind of peter off with the

1760
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,920
role-playing games after our last

1761
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,760
campaign we were looking for something

1762
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,440
new uh me and nick are the usual dms

1763
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,480
uh so we were just like bouncing ideas

1764
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,119
off each other about who wants to play

1765
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,799
what who does which that kind of thing

1766
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:18,640
and then the lockdown happened and it

1767
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:20,319
was like okay we need to get back into

1768
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,559
this we need to get

1769
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:23,680
more of this because this is our only

1770
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:26,000
for a lot of us this is our only

1771
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:28,559
socialization

1772
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,400
and it just keeps that

1773
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:32,079
it just keeps you sanity just keep it

1774
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,760
also keeps that hope alive with

1775
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:35,760
everything that's been going on and

1776
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,480
that's really important at the moment i

1777
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,920
mean

1778
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,680
hopefully touch wood we're coming

1779
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,920
towards the end of it now

1780
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,359
but so many people have suffered so

1781
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,359
badly and

1782
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:47,920
people who already had mental health

1783
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:49,920
disorders and illnesses

1784
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,520
are feeling it really badly

1785
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,799
and i know loads of people who have

1786
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,280
those problems and are known to the

1787
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:57,280
hospital are almost feeling worse

1788
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,280
because they're being overlooked for the

1789
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:02,079
people who were previously

1790
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,599
massive quotation marks healthy

1791
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:06,720
who are now starting to develop

1792
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:07,599
depression anxiety uh phobias that kind

1793
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,160
of thing

1794
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:12,079
so there's this whole problem with like

1795
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,200
who needs the attention first is that

1796
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:16,079
the people who

1797
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:19,040
have these conditions arising now or is

1798
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:22,160
it the people who've had it for longer

1799
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,839
and i think for a lot of people tt rpgs

1800
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,520
games nights

1801
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:27,440
um i know a lot of people do those like

1802
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,119
family quizzes over zoom

1803
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,359
yes i think it's

1804
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:32,480
kept a lot of people

1805
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:33,839
better

1806
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,720
than they might have done if it was a

1807
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:38,160
complete isolation

1808
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,920
i am

1809
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,359
exceptionally lucky with the situation i

1810
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,119
found myself i'm not going into too much

1811
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:44,559
details relative to

1812
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,920
you know the unfortunate position so a

1813
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,880
lot of people have found themselves in i

1814
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,680
i am

1815
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,040
infinitely fortunate and lucky but i

1816
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,960
think we have to all consider ourselves

1817
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,880
lucky that we live in a time where

1818
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,200
we can't have those remote meetings we

1819
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,359
can have those remote discussions i can

1820
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,240
walk my mom around the garden in on

1821
01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:04,240
webcam with my laptop out like exactly

1822
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,480
so she can identify plants for me that

1823
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,559
have grown up in spring that's uh

1824
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,839
that's really nice actually yeah i'm

1825
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:11,040
like what are these all these plants

1826
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:13,040
that have grown up in the last couple of

1827
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,520
weeks oh that's a buttercup vasa that's

1828
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,119
a chewy lip oh thanks oh i've got really

1829
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,799
nice garden uh

1830
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:20,720
but yeah if we didn't have the

1831
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:22,319
technology that we have now

1832
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,720
i've heard loads of people relate what's

1833
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:26,160
happened to like the blitz during world

1834
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,520
war ii

1835
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,520
and it's like

1836
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,240
it's not though because at least we can

1837
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,240
still see and talk to each other and we

1838
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,599
still have that interaction which

1839
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,960
like you still got that really lovely

1840
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:38,640
thing with your mum

1841
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,319
we've still got our games i mean it's

1842
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,319
been awful for my wife because she

1843
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:44,480
actually works from home

1844
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:47,359
so her socializing and her interaction

1845
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,200
while i was at work was going out into

1846
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:50,480
town going to the shops

1847
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,520
that kind of thing

1848
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:55,440
yeah and she's not had that for over a

1849
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,440
year so her mental health has

1850
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,039
really dropped off badly and it is

1851
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,640
thanks to ttrpgs we've managed to

1852
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:02,799
actually keep

1853
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,000
a level of interaction with the outside

1854
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:05,200
world

1855
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,640
and i think that's

1856
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,520
probably if i'm being truly honest to

1857
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,200
myself

1858
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,599
it's probably one of the reasons that i

1859
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,359
started the podcast was to meet new

1860
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:14,720
people and and talk to new people and

1861
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:16,160
have that

1862
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,760
that excitement that you get when you

1863
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,960
would normally go out and maybe you're a

1864
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,480
bar and you're talking to people and

1865
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,079
you're making friends and clubs and

1866
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,920
stuff and that you don't you know we're

1867
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,839
just not getting any more i've kind of

1868
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,559
backfilled with the with the podcast in

1869
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:28,240
it

1870
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:29,920
and i've got to say well that's

1871
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,680
served its purpose better than i could

1872
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,440
ever have hoped

1873
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,200
absolutely i mean

1874
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,920
this is this is probably the

1875
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,520
most i've spoken to anyone new

1876
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,640
besides people i'm looking after in the

1877
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,359
hospital

1878
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,799
and

1879
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:43,839
it is great being able to still go to

1880
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:46,079
the hospital because obviously with me

1881
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:48,160
i'm still getting that socialization but

1882
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:49,200
yeah everyone turning up they're all

1883
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,480
there for a reason they're all there

1884
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,000
because they're ill and you're there to

1885
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,839
look after them this is nice because

1886
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,240
this is actually talking about a hobby

1887
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:58,400
something i'm passionate about

1888
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,640
and it's exciting

1889
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,559
yeah good that fills my heart because it

1890
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,160
means that it's you know we've had a

1891
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,880
i've been able to help somebody else at

1892
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,640
least as well as myself so uh well on

1893
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,440
that wholesome

1894
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,599
note

1895
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,119
is there anything about health that uh

1896
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,559
we might have missed or you wanted to

1897
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,400
talk about

1898
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:17,920
i think we went over everything because

1899
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,920
everything went over about exhaustion

1900
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,000
and the use of healing potions and using

1901
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,960
different home brew methods

1902
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,000
to up the threat to the players i think

1903
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,200
that is important because they are

1904
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,440
basically

1905
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,119
mad demi gods with the attitudes of

1906
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,319
kleptomaniac children at the end of the

1907
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:34,160
day

1908
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:35,599
yep and i mean that about every player

1909
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,039
character especially myself when i'm a

1910
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:38,559
player character

1911
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:40,559
yeah yeah

1912
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:42,559
it's very easy to forget how powerful

1913
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,520
you are relative to the the commoner

1914
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,880
isn't

1915
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,039
especially as soon as you hit like tier

1916
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,240
two onwards i i find myself routinely

1917
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:50,480
having to

1918
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,160
to be like recently on when i go is my

1919
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,680
players have got a couple of them have

1920
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,280
got access to the fly

1921
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,640
spell oh gosh they're like oh i'm just

1922
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,960
gonna hop back to town i'm just gonna

1923
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,480
fly back yeah and they're not even when

1924
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,280
they're doing it i'm like okay you were

1925
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supermanning across a mining town

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full of miners like you know blue collar

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workers in this universe they're not

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going to react well

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yeah i'm like this is you know they

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they've already shot arrows at you when

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you were doing it before like

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and it's just so easy when you're when

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you're occupying that character's world

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view to forget how

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god-like as you said you can be i'm like

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you're flying this is this is this is

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insane like this is wild to these guys

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it's it's it's outlandish

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they are people

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like if i look out my office window if i

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look at my office window now and saw

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someone flying by i'd be like well it's

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the end times yeah did i was i drinking

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last night um am i am i drinking now

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yeah

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okay

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at time of recording it's 11 20. so that

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would be what's the concern there like

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just a little bit

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so yeah it's it's it's

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absolutely that every that reinforcement

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of like guys you are yeah special for

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lack of a better term you are empowered

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here and with great uh

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i mean one phrase my party has started

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throwing at me is i'm the kind of games

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master where no good deed goes

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unpunished

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and i kind of set that in motion so they

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didn't start doing the stuff that i

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really should punish them for

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i mean just one thing that's turned up

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at the moment in the wizard zero session

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she had the chance to

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coup de gras a cobbled

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now most player characters they'll just

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do that and think nothing of it

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she's playing a proper cutie pie

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character who just thinks everyone is

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lovely and she wants like a load of pet

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squirrels

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yeah it's like disney princess in this

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dark and gritty war story it's fantastic

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so she didn't kill the cobbled

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well that kobold has reappeared now in

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the campaign as an adult blue dragon

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oh

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good yeah

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who is loyal to the party because they

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they helped him and helped the kabul

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people

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but now they have a

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giant blue dragon

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that is walking around their town

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running a cobbled postal service

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who has brought with him an adult black

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dragon

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oh

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who the party have defined as an [ __ ]

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oh man that's a boiling pot

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and that's been so much fun just to

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watch them all freak out

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[Laughter]

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ah well i look look forward to hearing

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about that uh yeah yeah they'll fall out

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of that one all right well

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thank you so much cal on this very very

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interesting and expressive and expansive

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topic it's been so much fun yeah it has

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really good little saturday morning good

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vibes hopefully great start to the

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weekend indeed is there anything you

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would like to plug

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well my hopefully by the time this comes

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out i've actually broken the 500

2006
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follower limit on twitter which is kind

2007
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of my goal at the moment

2008
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i'm just gonna get

2009
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more videos out there

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so if any of your listeners would like

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to watch

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two different campaigns one of which is

2013
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this travels of lace spark which is

2014
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uh very serious very pretty it's

2015
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actually a d advanced first edition

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campaign

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going all the way back to retro

2018
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and then the other one is my archipelago

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dragons campaign

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it's all set in the same world but about

2021
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,920
100 years apart okay because what i've

2022
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told the party is that the oney party

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their interactions and their actions

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will shape the world for the next 200

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500 000 years

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and their actions are what causes it to

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go from first edition into fifth edition

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almost like the release of more magic

2029
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into the world hmm interesting okay but

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if i know there's like thousands of

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those kind of recordings online so

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people would actually like to come and

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actually listen to me just

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talk about does the dragon stuff a bit

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like jokey

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five ten minute recordings myself or

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watch me and my friends play board games

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because that's something else i do it'd

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01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:11,119
be fantastic if they'd like to jump over

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to baron's party plays on youtube

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01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:15,760
awesome and as usual all the links to

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everything uh cows just mentioned will

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be in the episode description again

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thank you for joining us thank you

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everyone at home for listening it's been

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a bit of a bit of a wild ride so

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uh yeah thank you all for listening as

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usual catch me on all the socials

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otherwise thank you and good night

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