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hello and welcome to thinking critically

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a d and d discussion a podcast where we

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deep dive single word concepts or ideas

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within the dungeons and dragons 5e

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framework my name is danilo and i like

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all kinds of games and the crunchy

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mechanics that make him tick you can

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find me on twitter facebook and

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instagram and i'd really appreciate a

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like or a follow

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and today is a very special episode as

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for the first time i'm joined by not one

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but two guests josh and luinika from the

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tabletop journeys podcast thank you ever

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so much guys for

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for both joining me today on this

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auspicious occasion josh why don't you

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tell us a little bit about yourself yeah

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thanks this is our pleasure donald

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thanks so much for inviting us uh yeah

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i'm josh from the tabletop journeys

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podcast i'm from the northeast united

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states so uh hopefully i'm not talking

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too fast here uh but uh i was born in

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boston uh live a little bit uh further

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north from that now and uh we're just

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absolutely stoked to be here today we're

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really excited to be talking to you

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today we love your podcast thank you

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and uh yeah and uh the the other half of

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uh table top journeys libernica yeah

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would you mind telling us a little bit

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about yourself absolutely thanks again

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danilo uh i'll repeat what josh said we

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love the podcast and uh thank you we

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really enjoy the opportunity to speak to

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your audience as well i myself am from

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upstate new york very far away from new

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york city but i've grown up mostly in

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new england and spent some time in the

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area where josh is from

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i am the other part of tabletop journeys

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and largely i come from a comic book and

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writing background i've been gaming for

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many many years and the opportunity to

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talk about gaming and get into detail is

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just something i absolutely love about

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the podcast realm

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and uh i too will attempt to uh not

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speak too quickly though i'm not often

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accused of that

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[Laughter]

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wicked thank you so much guys um all

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right

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let's get down to it so today's topic is

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space

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so i'm gonna i'll just open the floor

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what does what does that word mean to

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you within the dungeons and dragons

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framework

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i'll let josh go first because i know

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he's he that tends to be the way we do

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he like josh the lead

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well volunteered yeah no i said thanks

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yeah i appreciate that

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so in thinking about today's topic uh in

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kind of a dungeon dragons there were

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several kind of things that came to mind

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um and the first one uh that spoke to me

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tapped not just from my from my tabletop

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role-playing experience but also from a

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little side experience that i did for

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several years where i was doing a lot of

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medieval style sword fighting

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where i'm going with that is that from a

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tactical point of view

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space is a very important commodity to

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manage when you are

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squaring up one-on-one with with

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somebody in a kind of sparring capacity

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uh you know space is what allows you to

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if you can properly govern space between

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you and your opponent it is harder for

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them to hit you which is always a

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benefit uh when they are trying to do so

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um and so that was kind of the first

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thing that came to me is that

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from a lot of uh the feats particularly

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like in a fighter type capacity a lot of

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them use that concept of space to either

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uh allow them to move through space to

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get to their opponent faster and and

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therefore be able to to succeed in kind

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of that one-on-one

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uh type thing that happens in a combat

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situation but also allows them to uh to

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produce space uh as as bonus actions and

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things like that you know to go ahead

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and and not let their opponent get into

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a a critical range where they can where

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they can be effective but also to to

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allow them to close that space uh to uh

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to go ahead and and be most effective

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themselves so

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that was kind of the first thing that

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came to mind on that one from like a

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tactical point of view how does one

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manage space between between uh

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a character and their objective

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and this i'm going to sound like a

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broken record to to my listeners because

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somehow i really hit gold with my

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opening gambit of what does that word

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mean to you because i think every

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podcast without fail the guest has said

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something that i don't have on my notes

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so i've got i've got as i said like six

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or seven points around space and not one

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of them is to do with combat so i'm i'm

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really looking forward to to having that

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discussion in a bit and what about

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yourself limonica well interestingly and

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this happens a lot on our own podcast my

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point is very close and inclusive of

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some of what josh was talking about but

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slightly divergent um one of the reasons

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why we work well together um i thought

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about it and the first thing that came

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to mind was environments and encounters

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and how we construct them

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so as a dm it was

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how do you make the space in which your

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encounter is happening come alive it was

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talking about you know having a combat

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that's more than four walls in a stone

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room with a gridded square having

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sconces that protrude having levels to

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your to your combat so

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there are pillars and things to hide

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behind but also

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equipment and

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furniture with which can be manipulated

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or utilized in said combat so it's a

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combination of that managing space and

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how do you occupy space and move to the

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appropriate space but it's also

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taking your abilities and moving to the

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correct space to best utilize your

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individual characters abilities and

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allow your players to do that i tend to

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dm more than i play so i really try to

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make sure that every player has

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something in a

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created environment that they can

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utilize

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wasn't there a feat in third edition

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called throw anything or use anything

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that basically the the entire point of

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it was you know you're you're in a

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combat you're you're you're in a tavern

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there's a table right there and there's

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a large ceramic jug um and you can't

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quite get to your sword or it's on the

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other side of the room anything so now

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you can pick up that jug and basically

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use it as a club

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you know so that kind of that need to

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kind of fill out the space with making

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it alive um i remember that feet in

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particular uh benefited from that along

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it was in 3.5 i don't remember the exact

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term there is a version of it currently

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in 5e it's fairly recent i don't know if

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it's homebrew or if it's ua i just

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remember seeing it but it's improvised

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weapon i think is

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is that's a new feat

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and that may be the title of the

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original one but you're absolutely

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correct that's the kind of thing that we

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notice i ran a game live pre-covet that

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we utilized a lot of maps i spent a lot

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of energy and time buying them because

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i'm not a physical artist so i don't

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draw maps but i will buy maps that match

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my vision for whatever situation i'm

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creating and that was really cool

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but what really made those encounters

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sing was when the game store i was at

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had a lot of extra equipment like they

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had a bed that fit on the map in the

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spot where the bed was pictured so when

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you actually were placing minis on the

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map and then there was a bed and a

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dresser and a table you actually saw how

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small a 20 by 20 room is

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and why and and how to utilize a combat

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you know a halfling ducking under a

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table had more merit when you were able

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to depict that and it's very difficult

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theater of the mind to do that so again

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going back to you know where we start

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with space it is important for

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dms and storytellers to be very

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good at describing space and the items

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that take it up and describing the

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viewpoint that the characters see for

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their senses we have to remember we are

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the k as dms we are the character senses

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so we have to describe the senses and

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let them add the feeling and what we

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fill our spaces with is critical to that

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process

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yeah for sure for sure i've i personally

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think theory of the mind you know it has

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its place but it

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i've i found it

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quickly lost a lot of its legs the the

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more complicated the fights become so

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it's very easy just you know for say

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three characters versus three goblins

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you know you can almost pair them up at

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that point and it's quite simple at a

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low level but as soon as you start

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getting into that three-dimensional

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you've got arches up on the battlements

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you've got a pool of lava forming over

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here you've got you know some hard

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difficult terrain over there

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if you've got any kind of tactical

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players trying to effectively

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communicate that through theater mind is

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exceptionally difficult i i it is for me

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at least it you're you're absolutely

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right i mean so lee wanika and i met

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doing live-action role-playing and the

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physicality of a live-action role play

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versus a tabletop role-playing game is i

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think one of the things that attracted

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me to it most off

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you know if i'm if i'm 20 feet away from

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you and i only have abilities that allow

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me to reach 10 feet

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it really it it gives that really clear

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visual indication like i've got to

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figure out am i

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am i going to get the hell out of dodge

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here or am i actually going to try to

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try to close this gap and try to do what

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i need to do here so it's

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it's why i think a lot of the games that

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i run now

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i don't do a lot of theater than mine

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either i do again you know maps with

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minis that are on a camera that people

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can see or uh try to get into like

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visual tabletops or or virtual tabletops

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yes you know to try to really

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try to give a really great

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representation of what's actually

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happening

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in addition to that uh i tend to

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um i have refocused my energies since

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covid in

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not necessarily whole books but reading

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certain and very specific authors who

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are very good at visual description

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excerpts from stephen king experts from

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tom clancy are fantastic references for

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how to describe spaces and things you

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can read a tom clancy novel and get

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almost a full chapter that's describing

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something before characters are even

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involved and kind of taking those cues

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like what are the types of things he

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talks about what are the types of smells

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that he refers to what are the tactile

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senses that he tends to refer to and

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then utilizing that in your descriptions

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and building this lexicon of shorthand

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to describe the areas in which you're

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going to have encounters i'm not great

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with the technology piece of things i am

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trying to learn and i have a good group

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of folks who understand that and are

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quite forgiving for my lack of skill

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with technical stuff um and the guys on

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the channel are helping me uh come along

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a little bit better so i will tend to do

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a little more theater of the mind than

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the others but i try to make up for that

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with the description piece and then but

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when it does come down to the battle

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i do break out and do the best i can

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with what i've got in one fashion or

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another because

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i do think you need to have that battle

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where it's on a staircase and there's a

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balcony and there's a chandelier and

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there's yeah you know like i said

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sconces ropes and drapes and all of

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those fantastic things and fire is

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raging and then there's an earthquake

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outside so it's rumbling and you can

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show the changes and i love combats that

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have all of those things going on

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my own battle of mustafar if you will

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yes yeah which that sounds

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sick i want to be in that

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combination

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yeah i think

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to be fair i probably

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i maybe would have stuck with theory of

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the mind a little bit longer but a

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couple of my players quite

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you know in in in the details they like

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okay but how far away is he and how far

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away is that person and can i go around

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this side and duck under here and do

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that kind of stuff and it became more

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onerous on me to be like ah

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yeah

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you're kind of undermining the purity of

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the combat by

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basically making stuff up absolutely

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yeah i have a player just like that he's

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a great player he's also a very good

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friend he's a dm also so i play in his

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games he plays in my games and i would

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say for 20 years or more i've been that

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player for him uh and he is visiting

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that upon me with his rogue

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these days you know i'm just going to go

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up and over i'm going to use my ability

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to go along the wall and so i'm going to

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go over this guy and not produce an

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opportunity of attack i'm like

341
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well

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okay

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and

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all right

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so uh uh daniel i know exactly what

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you're talking about players will test

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dms

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and you do have to adapt how and what

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you do to the players you have at your

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table and if you have those tactical

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players you have to give them

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combats that have good tactics and you

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have to give them the ability to shine

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if you have players who aren't quite

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there you put it in just enough so it's

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there and it's a factor but then they

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only have to interact with what they

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want but you got to give those tactical

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players something to play with

360
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yeah there was a tabletop game that

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leewanika and i played in

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oh

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probably 15 years ago now anyway and it

364
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was really kind of a a watershed moment

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for me as a player where i learned

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you know how these role-playing games

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can be run and what you can do and

368
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honestly it was it was just that you

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know if me as a player am having a

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conversation with joe the npc you know

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i'm not just saying you know it was one

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of those moments where it's like no i'm

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not just going to say hey i want to have

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this conversation with joe the npc it's

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like no you and i we're going to stand

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up we're going to have this conversation

377
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face to face and i'm going to be joe and

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you're going to be you and we're going

379
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to do this thing we're actually going to

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we're going to fill we're going to

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transport ourselves to the space where

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these two people are having this

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conversation

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and it really it it was totally like

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mind-blowing to to me at that time like

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i'd you know i i didn't i clearly didn't

387
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know anything

388
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before that because having that

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experience was so like it was

390
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transformative

391
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i that

392
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that dm was the same dm that i was

393
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referring to and josh and i will go i

394
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think it was yeah josh and i will go

395
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back to that dm often because we gamed

396
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in his game together for many many years

397
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and maintained a very strong close

398
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friendship but

399
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for me that watershed moment was

400
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probably a year or two before that when

401
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i was playing some rogue or another and

402
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i wanted to hear uh secret conversations

403
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going on and we were at a game store and

404
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so i said to the dm i said i want to

405
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hear what's going on what do i need to

406
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roll and the dm just turned to me and

407
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looked and he said if you want to sneak

408
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up and hear the conversation walk over

409
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there and hear the conversation

410
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if they don't catch you you heard the

411
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conversation and then walked away and

412
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and did whatever he was doing with some

413
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other players i was like

414
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well all right then and

415
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and

416
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that

417
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literally crossing the space in that

418
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game store

419
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nonchalantly looking like i was looking

420
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at magic cards or dice or whatever was

421
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nearby where that conversation was

422
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and but still having an ear for uh what

423
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was going on and hearing the

424
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conversation was

425
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amazing

426
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uh you know that was freeing for me as a

427
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role player uh it was after that that i

428
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decided to start playing live action

429
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games for that same reason and i love

430
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bringing elements of that into the

431
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tabletop game and the tabletop realm

432
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where uh you can utilize that kind of

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thing and then do things like

434
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if there's minis on the table there's a

435
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large scale combat like armies your

436
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character cannot give an order to any

437
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character that is greater than

438
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two five inch squares away from you

439
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because you cannot be heard over the

440
00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:12,240
sound of battle um little things like

441
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that uh little things like that that he

442
00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,160
did like saying i want to shoot that guy

443
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is that in range and he said i'll tell

444
00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,000
you what roll your dice and shoot then

445
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we'll measure the range and if it's in

446
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range

447
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go from there but you wouldn't know you

448
00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:28,079
just see a target and you're gonna try

449
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to hit it little things like that

450
00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:35,120
depicted on this massive table it was

451
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two and a half eight foot tables long

452
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and three eight-foot tables wide with uh

453
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ram parts of a city and an undead army

454
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,839
that filled the entire rest of the table

455
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coming towards the ramparts and we were

456
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defending from the ramparts was amazing

457
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uh it really set the stage for how i

458
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view

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large-scale combat and it makes it

460
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possible if you use minis theater of the

461
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mind you can't do that you just cannot

462
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do that

463
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my poor elven archer is never going to

464
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live down missing that shot is

465
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illuminica oh no 20 years later you're

466
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still bringing that i still curse his

467
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name

468
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um let's um let's let me leverage some

469
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of your uh your uh live-action role play

470
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experience uh it's not not something

471
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that i've done before but i think you

472
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opened this discussion around

473
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you know the the space you occupy in a

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fight and i have

475
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been fortunate enough to have never been

476
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in a fight medieval or otherwise um so i

477
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have very little understanding of what

478
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it's really like so my my question to

479
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you guys is in terms of

480
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dnd and a stick with five e's

481
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representation of a melee

482
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how

483
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kind of accurate is that based on what

484
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you guys have done in the real world

485
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like that that kind of five-foot combat

486
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zone that each character entertains

487
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i find it to be reasonably accurate in

488
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so much as attacks of opportunity like

489
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when somebody's leaving a combat if

490
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they're not focused on being defensive

491
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and disengaging

492
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the fact that that leaves

493
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an opening for somebody who has the

494
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reaction to do so

495
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i think that's exceptionally accurate um

496
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and yet simplified enough to make it a

497
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quick and easy game mechanic and that's

498
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,120
a fine line that the wizards of the

499
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coast's creators had to tread how do we

500
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make things reasonably accurate yet

501
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simple enough um because many games that

502
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i've played and love are very much too

503
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granular they really dig into those

504
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details and they're much more accurate

505
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,080
but then again it's not simple and

506
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people hate learning those games and

507
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they don't have fun playing those games

508
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it becomes math and pencils and papers

509
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versus wow this was cool

510
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so i really think it's a perfect blend

511
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and i think at least in so much as the

512
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space and what you can do within it it's

513
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pretty accurate it's good enough it's

514
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solid yeah josh has much more fighting

515
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capability uh skill with me with with

516
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medieval weapons than i do so i i'll let

517
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him go into that the more technical

518
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aspect of that but yeah so i'm going to

519
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agree with with half of what you said

520
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and that is um specifically the attacks

521
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of opportunity bit where

522
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you know if i'm if i'm in a group of

523
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people and you're in a group of people

524
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and you decide to leave your group of

525
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people and come to my group of people to

526
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cause harm

527
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,520
you are going to have

528
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more people than you are targeting

529
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,799
trying to hit you right that's that's

530
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,679
just the nature of the beast if if uh

531
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but

532
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as far as like the the five foot block

533
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it's a lot tighter than that

534
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just to kind of

535
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speak where the experience is coming

536
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:47,200
from here um so the the combat style

537
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,600
that uh that i played in

538
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:52,080
did a lot of melee combat where you know

539
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uh your army of 300 people in our army

540
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,000
of 300 people we're gonna we're gonna

541
00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:59,039
meet on a field and and we're gonna

542
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we're gonna fight by our rules until one

543
00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,640
of our sides no longer has people right

544
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um because there are whole rules about

545
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,400
you know how how i can take out an

546
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,880
opponent and all that sort of thing

547
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,960
and so you know you'd be there in your

548
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,760
50 pounds of armor and your shield and

549
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your sword and you will be shoulder to

550
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shoulder hip to hip with the person next

551
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to you

552
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:22,159
because keeping the line that tight is

553
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,919
how you keep opponents from breaking

554
00:20:22,159 --> 00:20:25,200
your line and getting into your back

555
00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:27,600
field where they can cause the most

556
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,120
amount of damage um and so

557
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,039
you know the the five

558
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:33,200
i certainly did not have five feet to

559
00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:35,679
myself in that kind of situation because

560
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,240
spaces in that line are are are a

561
00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:39,919
weakness they are you know um now

562
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,080
i'm not going to fault d and d

563
00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:44,159
too much for that because you know they

564
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,159
have to they have to pick a number and

565
00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:48,480
you know that five feet is as is as

566
00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:50,080
close a representation i think as uh

567
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,000
as as makes sense i mean given the size

568
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,000
of the minis and everything like that

569
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,159
you know but uh it's it's certainly in

570
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,720
if if i can if i can put air quotes

571
00:20:56,159 --> 00:21:01,360
around real life um it's a lot more

572
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,679
compact than that okay um you know so

573
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:07,120
yeah i would think that more like real

574
00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:09,039
life to josh's uh comment is probably

575
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:10,480
closer to two and a half feet yep i

576
00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:12,799
think that's about right but that's

577
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,880
that's immeasurably difficult for the

578
00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:18,159
maths which is why i think they ended up

579
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:20,400
settling on five oh yeah and it's easier

580
00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:22,159
five feet 40 feet i count x number of

581
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,679
squares i'm good to go

582
00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:26,320
movement becomes easier i think it just

583
00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:28,400
makes the game mechanically

584
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,760
easier to play easier to learn much more

585
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,440
fun

586
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,840
and at a certain point accuracy has to

587
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,600
go away you know

588
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,919
right and like i don't really have a

589
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,520
base on my feet either like so you can

590
00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:41,679
be a lot tighter when you're in person

591
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,440
than than a mini can be on the board so

592
00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:45,039
there's there's certainly like again

593
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,120
this is this is not to go ahead and

594
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:49,039
throw shade at dungeons dragons like

595
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:50,480
they it's as close approximation as they

596
00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,760
can as they can do and that's that's

597
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,200
just fine

598
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,200
and i know we're talking about space and

599
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,880
so just to kind of bring that back in

600
00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,960
too boy when you are in a line and you

601
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,120
are as you are packed in like sardines

602
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,120
in your line and you've got six lines

603
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:07,200
behind you and they are as up close

604
00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:08,799
behind you as they can possibly be so

605
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,720
you've got you know 100 people that are

606
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:13,520
just moving as this blob

607
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,200
personal space does not exist it really

608
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,200
doesn't i mean it's like you can see the

609
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,240
eyes of the person next to you and and

610
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,039
you can

611
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:24,480
it is incredibly loud for for how packed

612
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:27,200
in it is and how and how tight you are

613
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,280
to hear anything over that amount of of

614
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,280
sound and everything uh you you are

615
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,280
yelling at people that are five feet

616
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,760
away from you and so that is very much

617
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,360
accurate where um you know you you you

618
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,720
can't get a message 30 feet across the

619
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,000
field like that's just

620
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,320
that's just not going to happen it's

621
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,760
like you you start to understand why

622
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,679
you know things like signal core and

623
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,520
stuff like that exist is because you

624
00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:49,520
know if i'm if i'm yelling at you and

625
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,039
you can only hear me from 20 feet away

626
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,240
you know for god's sakes i hope i don't

627
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,919
have to go ahead and get a message to

628
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,200
you 200 feet away because there's

629
00:22:53,919 --> 00:22:57,440
there's just no way that that's going to

630
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,200
happen and there's no way

631
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,120
again that i can run fast enough to go

632
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,960
ahead and get you get you that message

633
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,960
you know that kind of thing too so

634
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,440
you know in that sort of a situation and

635
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,440
you know again i i say real life in air

636
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,640
quotes because it's not it's not really

637
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,520
real

638
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,520
but

639
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,320
but it's also you know space becomes a

640
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,480
very

641
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,000
a very real commodity in that where you

642
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,240
know if you're if you're trying to burst

643
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,360
through a rampart and there are people

644
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,679
coming up behind you and if you're

645
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:25,039
getting squished in there

646
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:26,480
if you can't maneuver if you can't move

647
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,760
your arms if you can't move your shield

648
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,080
or anything like that

649
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,760
uh you're gonna have a real bad time

650
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:36,159
yeah so i have two real world examples

651
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,640
of just what you're talking about there

652
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:40,400
one is from my time in the united states

653
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,760
military where i trained as a combat

654
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,600
engineer specifically and what happens

655
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,640
in a combat situation was in a training

656
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,720
exercise where there was live fire it

657
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,799
was structured so it went well overhead

658
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,760
nobody was in a danger of that but there

659
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:58,000
were timed explosions at certain places

660
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,799
and we did a lot of planning we had like

661
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,039
a little sand table minis basically

662
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,640
showing where we were supposed to be

663
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,480
time markers for when we were allowed to

664
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,080
be at certain places and constantly you

665
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,840
had to know what time things were

666
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,080
happening because you could be in a

667
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,400
dangerous situation if you were next to

668
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,360
an explosion spot when it was supposed

669
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,679
to go off and i can tell you that

670
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:22,320
sound is

671
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:24,720
crazy under those circumstances it was a

672
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,400
night mission so it was dark you

673
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,559
couldn't see very well

674
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,960
you know shout out to any character type

675
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:33,600
that has dark vision uh

676
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,600
and you couldn't see very well uh it was

677
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,039
actually hard and disorienting once you

678
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,320
got done rolling around and doing

679
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:40,400
different things that you were required

680
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,840
to do to kind of get your bearings and

681
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,080
figure out where you were

682
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,520
and a couple of those explosions go off

683
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,880
a little closer than you're supposed to

684
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,200
be and then

685
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,679
you end up with uh 40 40 years later

686
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:54,480
with significant hearing loss uh like i

687
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:56,640
have you know so it's kind of it is

688
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,600
definitely something where i think the

689
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,000
game

690
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,919
lends itself to that to some extent but

691
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,440
doesn't quite get it 100

692
00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:05,600
not that it needs to

693
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,600
and the second example is if you've ever

694
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,559
i've been to a pretty

695
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,880
some pretty loud wild rock concerts and

696
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:15,440
been pushed up against the stage with

697
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,600
the crush of the crowd when you're that

698
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,200
tight with that many people

699
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,720
you don't hear a lot what's going around

700
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:25,120
you and it is very easy to lose your way

701
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,760
and lose your breath if you are not

702
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:30,080
protecting yourself well so definitely

703
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,320
space becomes a premium and i try to

704
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,360
bring those kinds of thought processes

705
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,520
to my encounter construction and the

706
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,960
games that i that i run and i try to

707
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,720
keep that in mind when i'm playing my

708
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,720
characters as well

709
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,960
i it definitely adds value to you as a

710
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,240
dm to consider those factors just

711
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,440
because it ties into what you were

712
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,880
saying earlier on about having

713
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,480
interesting dynamic spaces to fight in

714
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,360
talking about earlier on the

715
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,640
you know how realism or how realistic

716
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,799
the fighting

717
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,480
mechanics are obviously wizards are

718
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,400
bound by the same kind of was it like

719
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,480
the resource priority triangle right

720
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,559
you've got three competing

721
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,679
desires of a of a project and one of

722
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,440
those is

723
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:10,960
realism and of course you can't you

724
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,880
can't hit the point of the triangle and

725
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,880
all three resources that's not something

726
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,400
it's got to give at some point

727
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,000
and uh yeah you know that's to be

728
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,120
expected that's just that's just life

729
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,559
you can't

730
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,720
you can't have absolutely everything

731
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:24,960
it's still a game yeah for sure yeah

732
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,799
yeah what was it that somebody once said

733
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,640
you can have it fast you can have it

734
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,640
cheap or you can have it good yeah and

735
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,799
you've got to prioritize which of those

736
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,559
three you're going to do yeah precisely

737
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:37,200
that's essentially the the needle that

738
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:38,720
is being threaded by uh any role-playing

739
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,120
game um

740
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,200
and depending on what a table is looking

741
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,480
for a select group of players or dm's

742
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,400
are looking for

743
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,159
they might just pick a different game if

744
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,240
they're in the mood for i want the real

745
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:52,559
realism today and maybe that's a great

746
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,279
one shot but they come back to d for

747
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,240
their bread and butter or maybe they

748
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,559
want

749
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,919
some other element to be the best part

750
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,919
so they'll pick a game that really

751
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:03,039
doubles down on that for that moment

752
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:05,120
because that's what they're feeling at

753
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:07,520
that moment and i'm all about that i

754
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:09,679
played dnd consistently at the same time

755
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,679
i was larping but i was largely in the

756
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:14,480
two games for two entirely different

757
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:16,480
reasons uh you know i got different

758
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,559
things from each game and it didn't

759
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,480
diminish any one of the games even

760
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:22,320
though it didn't do that other thing

761
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,320
particularly well

762
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,640
well thank you guys for sharing your

763
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:30,000
varied and extensive

764
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,720
experiences there one er example to

765
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,240
to my own horn if i may for a moment um

766
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,600
of a an interesting use of space is my

767
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,159
players are currently working their way

768
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,000
through a cobalt dungeon and again i'm

769
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:44,720
gonna sound like a broken record

770
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,080
but i one thing i really wanted to take

771
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,480
into consideration with the design of

772
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,440
this dungeon was space so kerbals are

773
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,760
small

774
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:57,039
and crafty so all their tunnels are

775
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,120
small and you know or warren so i really

776
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:01,600
wanted to highlight that claustrophobic

777
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:03,520
feel for the players so every tunnel

778
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,640
they're they're crawling through i'm

779
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,159
saying okay well you've got to go on

780
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,200
your hands and knees

781
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:10,480
and go prone and go half speed and it's

782
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,640
dark

783
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,240
so and there's only room for one of you

784
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,760
to go through you have to you have to

785
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,360
form a line

786
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,440
essentially so they they went through

787
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,440
the first tunnel kind of nothing happens

788
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,360
there was some foreshadowing about some

789
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,279
murder holes okay

790
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,360
fine nothing happens it seems fine fair

791
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,520
enough as they go through the second

792
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,960
tunnel into the second room

793
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,600
there's combat waiting for them on the

794
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,399
other side for various reasons but

795
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,159
they

796
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:38,159
eventually learnt from their mistakes

797
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:40,399
but there was quite a bit of a laurel

798
00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:42,480
and hardy kind of like back pile of they

799
00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:43,760
all just you know went into the back of

800
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,279
each other into this tunnel and the

801
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,720
people at the back were like what why

802
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,000
have we stopped what's going on the

803
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,080
people at the front are getting just

804
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,279
like bombarded and can't respond because

805
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,799
they're just getting hammered and

806
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,320
they're like everyone's like keep go

807
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:57,120
push into the room push into the room no

808
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,559
i can't see into the room

809
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,600
so that that worked quite well they

810
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,960
learned

811
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,080
very quickly

812
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,440
going into the next stream it's like

813
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,159
right you're gonna teleport you wanna

814
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,320
misty step in uh you're gonna

815
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:10,240
trip one over and push yourself through

816
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,559
to the next side and and that kind of

817
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,960
stuff but that was yeah that that that's

818
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:18,000
that was the the dynamic combat for this

819
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,000
dungeon is the claustrophobic like okay

820
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,440
someone's got to be the spearhead

821
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,840
who who's pulled the short straw this

822
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,640
time to poke their head out of there

823
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,120
i i love that like

824
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,279
i think it when i think of action movies

825
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,760
or action horror i think about the

826
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:36,240
elements of aliens where some of the

827
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,320
scariest parts are when they're in the

828
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,799
tunnels or or like

829
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,640
you know this machinery factory becomes

830
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,480
much tighter when they're around the

831
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,960
chitness walls that have been formed by

832
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,760
the aliens like it gets scarier as the

833
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,600
space constricts and even if you don't

834
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,360
have a big scare

835
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,520
the tension gets ratcheted up the

836
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,279
tighter it gets the darker it gets the

837
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,320
harder it is for people to hear and then

838
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:02,320
when the line gets stopped oh man

839
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,640
and the people in the back like

840
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,000
oh it's awful and it makes choices that

841
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,080
people made when you were forming the

842
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,440
campaign so much better like i'm going

843
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,440
to be a frontline fighter well you're

844
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,799
going to go first but you're a

845
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,679
goliath you don't fit

846
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,399
you know

847
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:19,360
it's not a good idea to have you first

848
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:21,440
you know

849
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,120
exactly you know and really doubling

850
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,880
down on that oh that's

851
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,039
that that's the kind of game i le i want

852
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,120
to play in because

853
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,559
i can have fun with that i love when

854
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,120
like when you have that kind of

855
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,880
dynamicism saying the word correctly

856
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,480
that's what i really enjoy i love

857
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,640
bringing out those elements and how to

858
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,720
utilize your various features to make

859
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,720
use of that or what have you being a

860
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,320
halfling in that kind of game

861
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,360
best thing you could do

862
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,880
yeah yeah well

863
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,760
that's going to seem like a hindsight as

864
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,840
2020 to my players of which there is a

865
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,760
goliath of which there is a war forged

866
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,799
and of which there is a turtle

867
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,600
so out of six three of them are like

868
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,600
choppy boys

869
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,120
so they were pretty much bookended with

870
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,399
people that are just like scraping along

871
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,240
the tunnel

872
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:11,919
and they'd be like oh can i squeeze can

873
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,880
i like go between his legs and i'm like

874
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:14,799
man

875
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,600
no

876
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:20,080
unless you want to get really close like

877
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,600
like close

878
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960
you don't want to be on the business end

879
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,200
of the business if you know what i'm

880
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,200
saying

881
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,840
yeah yeah precisely so that was uh that

882
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:33,360
was quite good but you know i've also

883
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,200
done especially in the earlier levels

884
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,840
the as you said earlier on there for

885
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,519
stone walls sometimes it it calls for it

886
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,480
and sometimes that's just you know

887
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:44,559
laziness on my port or the combat is

888
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:48,320
part of the intention of that combat is

889
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:49,279
to be mundane in a way it's to it's to

890
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,519
be the

891
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:54,559
the intake of air before

892
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:56,080
the the mustafa fight right not

893
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,440
everything can be extraordinary right

894
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,640
right you've got to have you can have

895
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,360
some things that are mundane to make the

896
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,279
extraordinary seem better exactly yeah i

897
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,720
pride myself in the games that i'm

898
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:07,279
currently running that there are some

899
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,760
combats i don't set up there are some

900
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:12,080
combats that the players through their

901
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,519
own actions and choices set up so

902
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,600
they're going to set up the environment

903
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:18,320
that works best for them and sometimes

904
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,159
that relies on less dynamicism and it's

905
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,840
just because we're going to catch them

906
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:23,600
in the in the city square so there might

907
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,279
be a fountain and they're going to take

908
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,919
on the bad guys in the city square where

909
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:30,000
their mobility is to their advantage and

910
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:31,840
the disadvantage of their enemies giving

911
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,880
them the tactical advantage because they

912
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,840
planned it

913
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,559
versus they happened into a plan or a

914
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,120
plot of the bad guys so that advantage

915
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,480
swing is very cool to play out so

916
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,240
sometimes i'll have some of those

917
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,039
mundane adventures and then sometimes i

918
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,000
do it for theme i had a section of my

919
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:52,080
current campaign that was an old school

920
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,399
dungeon crawl where they went room by

921
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,640
room most of the rooms were four rooms

922
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:59,440
one interesting feature a couple red

923
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,960
herrings and one actual clue in most of

924
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,440
the rooms and they kind of went through

925
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,840
it you know each room but i highlighted

926
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,480
a couple spaces that were very dynamic

927
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:11,440
or had a lot of other things going on

928
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,320
but the big fight in that was by design

929
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,720
uh

930
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,200
40 by 60 foot room with

931
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,159
three units of bad guys and the heroes

932
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:23,519
walked in at an inopportune moment and

933
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:25,679
the scrum began you know and

934
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,279
there was something very relieving and

935
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:28,320
cool about that everybody thought that

936
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,200
was me

937
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,039
and

938
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,480
when the bad guy decided to run away and

939
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:34,159
they wanted to chase

940
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,559
then i got back to kind of my bread and

941
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:38,480
butter where i had a staircase it was a

942
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:40,880
five foot uh hall

943
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,480
and i had beasts that could walk on the

944
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,880
ground and on the ceiling so their pack

945
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,640
tactics effectively blocked the good

946
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,000
guys from catching the bad guy who's

947
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,679
escaping

948
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,080
and then they're like man i can't get

949
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:55,519
through that because they're three deep

950
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,720
six total

951
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,559
we're not getting through the bad guys

952
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,880
getting away

953
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,640
and that was kind of cool where they got

954
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,039
what they wanted with it and they got

955
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,000
that cool open slate but then had to

956
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,840
deal with something a lot more

957
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,879
challenging

958
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,679
yeah

959
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:10,960
i

960
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,639
imagine that would have been frustrating

961
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,960
for the player characters to you know be

962
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,639
so close to catching the uh the bad guy

963
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,560
and then ah

964
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,200
he gets away in the end that's that's

965
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,839
great it just increases that the

966
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,079
antagonistic nature here

967
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:27,520
i love recurring villains and i always

968
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,159
give my player characters the

969
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,960
opportunity to be able to get them

970
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,800
but

971
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,560
at the same time you can't have a

972
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,560
recurring villain if they don't get away

973
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,560
so uh

974
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,079
you have to walk that fine line between

975
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,480
okay i have a plan for the bad guy to

976
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:46,639
get away and allowing for the fact that

977
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,240
player characters could in fact

978
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:50,240
make the choice to sacrifice whatever

979
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,760
they had to they could have

980
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,359
a couple player characters could have

981
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,960
died doing it but they could have gotten

982
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:56,960
to the bad guy they made the choice not

983
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,400
to do that and i get that but i never

984
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,800
want to create a situation where they

985
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,720
can't get the bad guy

986
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,320
okay yeah yeah i mean that's a pretty

987
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,520
tough call to make so don't blame them

988
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,960
for

989
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,720
you know putting the value of their

990
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,880
lives or to two other parties lives

991
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,560
higher than capturing in this moment

992
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,480
there's always the we'll get them next

993
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,440
time

994
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,400
energy the optimism of players yeah yeah

995
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,640
uh

996
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,720
in fact that uh uh continuing on our

997
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,760
thread of kind of combat that the space

998
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:27,280
that combat

999
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:30,320
happens in and that same strategic

1000
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,839
player of mine who always wants to know

1001
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,400
where everything is

1002
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:36,800
again maybe unsurprisingly has built

1003
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,359
himself around he's a bug bear so he's

1004
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,079
got long arms a 10 foot reach

1005
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:44,000
uh uses a reskinned pole arm

1006
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:46,720
so i think he effectively has like a 15

1007
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,200
foot reach with melee weapons

1008
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,560
and also has i can't remember which feet

1009
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,480
it is but the one that basically gives

1010
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,400
you an attack of opportunity when an

1011
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,560
enemy enters your

1012
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,960
melee range it might be sentinel or

1013
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,040
polar master or one of those ones

1014
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,640
so basically he's always like has he

1015
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,760
moved within

1016
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,160
15 15 foot of me i'm like yeah

1017
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,200
all right take care take your hit and

1018
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,960
then

1019
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,599
yeah and that also reduces the

1020
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,640
creature's speed to zero yeah so that

1021
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:17,200
that's

1022
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,800
like way more powerful than i ever

1023
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,920
thought it would be on paper because the

1024
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,599
amount of kind of melee combatants he's

1025
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,839
shut down for a turn because they're

1026
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:25,200
just

1027
00:36:24,839 --> 00:36:25,920
oh just can't get close enough yeah

1028
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,920
god damn like

1029
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:31,280
because he's just gone think uh no

1030
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,040
you're gonna stay there

1031
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:37,280
so so i love that selection of feats and

1032
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,520
i actually use them on a warforged

1033
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,079
myself in the game that i play in

1034
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:45,200
because it is just that powerful and it

1035
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:46,960
is that evocative and cool but as a dm

1036
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,599
if you have players who have that

1037
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,760
mindset and have those feats you have to

1038
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,520
plan for that you have to expect it and

1039
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,760
then you kind of have to say

1040
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,720
do i have bad guys that are aware of

1041
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,520
this

1042
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,320
yes

1043
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,079
because

1044
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,200
if your characters are doing it in order

1045
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,400
to have that selection of feet they

1046
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,280
usually have to be somewhere in the four

1047
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,040
to six range in order to have everything

1048
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,480
in place to be able to do all that and

1049
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,800
if they get to sixth level they're

1050
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,560
pretty famous so do the bad guys have

1051
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,920
knowledge of their tactics before the

1052
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,520
combat if yes then plan for it they've

1053
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,000
got to have more ranged attack they've

1054
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,800
got to have more archers they've got to

1055
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,680
have traps and other things to sway his

1056
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,440
attention or they run formations you

1057
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,000
know where the first two guys are gonna

1058
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,520
get help but he can only use sentinel

1059
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,680
the number of times per reactions he has

1060
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,119
so it's it's not one guy rushing and

1061
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,200
then the next time another guy rushing

1062
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:41,760
it's three guys rushing at once let him

1063
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,040
pick you know

1064
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,119
and then you make one of them really

1065
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,599
cool really special but also harder to

1066
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:50,079
hit so he's got to decide

1067
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:52,720
do i definitely stop one or two one one

1068
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:54,800
or the other one or do i take a risk and

1069
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:57,680
maybe not stop any of them to try to

1070
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,680
stop the real big one

1071
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,599
now that that i better start taking some

1072
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,359
notes because

1073
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:05,200
because when you make your players

1074
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:07,920
especially your tactically minded ones

1075
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,760
make that call then you really amp up

1076
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,760
what they have to do and they start

1077
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,839
enjoying it even more they really will

1078
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,440
get to you know i'm gonna take out the

1079
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:17,119
ones i can take out you guys are gonna

1080
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,040
have to the big one's gonna get past me

1081
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:21,280
for now but i'm gonna stop you guys from

1082
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,400
getting hit by two or three other ones

1083
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,119
because

1084
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,280
action economy is critical um so

1085
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,520
sometimes taking out multiple guys even

1086
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,880
if the heaviest hitter gets through is

1087
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,760
okay

1088
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,599
absolutely yeah yeah action economy the

1089
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,599
be-all and the end-all the alpha and the

1090
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:40,000
omega of combat in

1091
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:41,440
dnd 5e is it is there anything you guys

1092
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,400
want to talk about more about the kind

1093
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,560
of the combat space

1094
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,760
as we say a lot in uh in our show down a

1095
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,880
little i think we have we have beaten

1096
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,359
this one to death

1097
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,280
so yeah there's there's a lot of meat on

1098
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:56,680
this bone but uh there are very few

1099
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,680
scraps left

1100
00:38:56,830 --> 00:39:00,159
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1101
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,720
[Music]

1102
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,800
well in which case then look you guys

1103
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:13,839
are gonna now

1104
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,720
see what my first note was on the topic

1105
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:17,200
space

1106
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:19,040
uh and i took it in a a in a completely

1107
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,359
different direction of uh

1108
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,880
outer space obviously as you would the

1109
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:27,839
space in you know full of stars and

1110
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,320
my only thought around that was

1111
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:32,160
d d world most of them and again you can

1112
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,760
play low magic or high magic what more

1113
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,040
but most are going to sit somewhere in

1114
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,320
the middle of the bell curve right

1115
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,480
there's going to be magic items you can

1116
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,640
have casters you know unless you're

1117
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,200
specifically playing low magic

1118
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,000
kind of a gritty realism

1119
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,240
then

1120
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,920
magic is going to be a thing in quotes

1121
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,119
in your universe i think it's pretty

1122
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,920
much a given

1123
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,920
now

1124
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,599
given that

1125
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,560
presumption

1126
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:59,119
and how powerful some spells are

1127
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,880
certainly at medium to high levels it's

1128
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,720
just it's the same problem i've people

1129
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,480
face with you know

1130
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,480
given magic is so prevalent why they're

1131
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,680
still injuries you know given a level

1132
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,480
two cleric can cast kill wounds

1133
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,960
why

1134
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,280
is anyone injured ever

1135
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,800
in the world and i know there's you know

1136
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,560
there's steps you can take say it costs

1137
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,240
money and maybe there's only you know

1138
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,079
you know you make um

1139
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,760
parallels to the real world and you know

1140
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,720
maybe clerics there's only one cleric

1141
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,839
per

1142
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,200
state per county so you know they're

1143
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:31,200
usually quite busy and they're usually

1144
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,319
expensive and so on and so on you can

1145
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,800
you can

1146
00:40:32,319 --> 00:40:36,400
make excuses essentially until the cows

1147
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,400
come home however you want

1148
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,119
i once just wondered like

1149
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,839
what the excuses are for basically not

1150
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:46,319
having space travel

1151
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:48,319
well i mean so there used to be right in

1152
00:40:46,319 --> 00:40:51,119
second edition there was a whole

1153
00:40:48,319 --> 00:40:53,920
subgenre of dnd called spell jammer

1154
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:56,720
which really married the

1155
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,280
concept of dungeons and dragons being

1156
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,119
set in a high magic world

1157
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,119
and so there were wizards that could

1158
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,640
power ships that could fly through space

1159
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,800
and go to multiple planets and we

1160
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,160
haven't seen that uh if i remember cook

1161
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,599
we didn't see it in third edition and we

1162
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,680
certainly didn't see it in fourth or

1163
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,680
fifth edition and so it's it has sort of

1164
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,720
faded out a little bit and i wish that

1165
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,880
they would bring it back because i

1166
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:20,960
remember playing in a spell jammer

1167
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:22,800
game when i was oh i was still in high

1168
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,720
school so i mean i was probably 14 15

1169
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,160
years old tops

1170
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:31,200
and it really had this very interesting

1171
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,560
uh this really interesting feel to it um

1172
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,839
one of the things that we talk a lot

1173
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:38,400
about on tabletop journeys is not just

1174
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:40,000
kind of a rules as written approach to

1175
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,680
playing dungeons and dragons or other

1176
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:46,000
tabletop games but what inspires us

1177
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,240
when we're writing worlds or when we're

1178
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,640
writing plot lines and and that sort of

1179
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:53,680
thing um and lee wanika and i are both

1180
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:56,240
huge fans of of star trek and star wars

1181
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,800
and it's because of that sense of

1182
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,040
exploration of that sense of you know

1183
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:04,400
you're seeing a very very small part of

1184
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:07,280
what is a positively monstrous world

1185
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:10,480
or universe with so many

1186
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,240
competing factions and so many

1187
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,319
competing elements

1188
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:17,599
that you cannot possibly conceive of it

1189
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:20,400
in in your um in your own little

1190
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,920
situation and so i i think maybe that's

1191
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,079
why it's coming about is because spell

1192
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,920
jammer got really complicated right like

1193
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,200
you're dealing with 300 different

1194
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,480
planets and all of them have their own

1195
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,440
governments and all of them have their

1196
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,560
own thing

1197
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,760
and so maybe that's why it hasn't come

1198
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,480
back because it's really kind of a

1199
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,880
complicated uh scenario to run to run

1200
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,480
plot in and instead what we're seeing is

1201
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,880
we're seeing a lot of uh a lot of

1202
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,800
cosmology right uh we're seeing like the

1203
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,200
rebirth of the feywild

1204
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,359
the rebirth of shadowfell and uh we're

1205
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,960
seeing um all these these astral planes

1206
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:51,359
that are that are opening up i was just

1207
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,040
talking with with somebody um who was uh

1208
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:55,040
who was running a gates of the moon

1209
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,319
plotline and he needed he was trying to

1210
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,760
figure out like what to put in there i

1211
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:59,839
said well you got to bring in the

1212
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,079
eladrain because they are basically the

1213
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:03,520
creatures that come from that world and

1214
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,119
there are

1215
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,560
25 different types of them so you can

1216
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:08,240
you can if you want a combative one you

1217
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,000
can pull a combat at one if you want a

1218
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:12,160
magicky one you can pull a magic e1

1219
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,520
there's all these variations in there um

1220
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,520
and so i think that's really kind of

1221
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,520
where they're where they're going

1222
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,960
instead with dungeons dragons is rather

1223
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,359
than getting into

1224
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,880
literal space and and

1225
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:25,359
they're getting more into cosmology and

1226
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,200
getting more into uh into

1227
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:30,560
thought-based realms and and stuff like

1228
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:33,440
that yeah i think that exploration niche

1229
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:35,440
that exploration need to to boldly go

1230
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,920
yeah is ticked by

1231
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,520
the planar the the great the wheel the

1232
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,119
wheel cosmology isn't it well if you

1233
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,200
have the inner and outer planes and all

1234
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:45,040
that kind of stuff so it's more of a

1235
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,839
planar exploration rather than a

1236
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,680
physical world exploration which is

1237
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:50,940
i guess a lot more exciting than just

1238
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,760
the vacuum of

1239
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:55,200
[Laughter]

1240
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,319
i space it can be yeah yeah you can

1241
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,599
think of it like some of the products

1242
00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:59,440
that have come out right so i mean they

1243
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,040
just released tasha's tasha's got a huge

1244
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,880
amount of feywild and a huge amount of

1245
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,920
shadowfell content in it what was the

1246
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,599
big thing that came out right before

1247
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,560
that was curse of straw and so they're

1248
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:10,160
dealing with kind of uh shades of raven

1249
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,040
loft and shades of those kind of

1250
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,000
parallel realms where you are both in a

1251
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,720
place

1252
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,680
um but but not

1253
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,359
it's going to sound weird but you're

1254
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,800
both in a place and not anywhere else at

1255
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:22,560
the same time yeah because that place

1256
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,599
doesn't it kind of exists as a pocket

1257
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,280
realm outside of what is normal uh and

1258
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,440
what it what is regular yeah that plane

1259
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,200
doesn't even have a concept of outer

1260
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,680
space as we know it right now yeah

1261
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,920
there's no satellites or anything it's

1262
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,359
oh i was going to say that along those

1263
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:42,400
lines um you know d d's history

1264
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:45,040
very early on in first edition had

1265
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,200
space stuff the first mind flayers were

1266
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,720
in a module where basically an alien

1267
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,040
ship crashed

1268
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:54,240
uh and the mind players were from this

1269
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,319
alien realm later retconned into being

1270
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:58,640
uh the spell jammer world so the mind

1271
00:44:56,319 --> 00:45:00,720
players that we see in the d d realm

1272
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,160
back then were basically

1273
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:05,359
people who left

1274
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:08,079
the space jammer world and landed

1275
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:10,240
on the world that d characters populate

1276
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:12,160
and so that that's kind of they were

1277
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:15,359
really setting up that cosmology back

1278
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,200
then and really put a planescape feel to

1279
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:18,480
it later on spell jammer became a

1280
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,960
separate product

1281
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:24,079
and a lot of things that we deal with in

1282
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,359
dnd beholders things like that uh pretty

1283
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:28,480
much anything that's listed as an

1284
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:30,560
aberration effectively comes from

1285
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,920
outer space it's aberration is just

1286
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,920
another a d word for alien

1287
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,839
you know uh and if you look at all the

1288
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,920
things that are aberrations generally

1289
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:41,680
speaking you're gonna find they don't

1290
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,680
well define where they're from they just

1291
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,400
define that that they're here

1292
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,560
um and that's kind of where that the

1293
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,440
history of all that begins

1294
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,200
hmm

1295
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,040
i had an epiphany there i had a

1296
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,040
realization while you were talking

1297
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,079
because i think you mentioned um

1298
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,920
star trek and it makes sense now why my

1299
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:02,400
brain went to outer space first for my

1300
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,920
notes here because literally yesterday i

1301
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,839
started watching the next generation on

1302
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,079
netflix

1303
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:10,720
so suddenly all the pieces have

1304
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:13,119
fallen into place and i've i've incepted

1305
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,800
myself

1306
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:17,359
i mean you you mean watching it again

1307
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,359
right because yes

1308
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,640
i was gonna say because

1309
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,720
we gotta we gotta let you pause and

1310
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,040
finish and then come back

1311
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,920
spoilers

1312
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,040
you know

1313
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,800
it was on tv and stuff when i was

1314
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,880
younger it was it was like a it's like a

1315
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,800
thursday night or a sunday afternoon

1316
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,520
kind of show um but now it's i think all

1317
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,280
of next year is on uk netflix so yeah

1318
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,800
it's on us too yeah yeah yeah so

1319
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,880
reliving that a little bit and that's

1320
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,599
definitely why my brain immediately went

1321
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,520
to outer space

1322
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,520
now do you guys get any of uh star trek

1323
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,720
discovery and the new series that's uh

1324
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,119
that's coming out now

1325
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:53,359
oh um quite possibly the name rings a

1326
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:55,599
bell um yes i think we do

1327
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:56,640
yeah uh watch it if so because it's

1328
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,560
excellent

1329
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,319
it's really really good yeah there are a

1330
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,560
lot of divergent opinions about

1331
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:05,599
discovery but as a

1332
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,280
star trek fan like as a young child

1333
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,680
my mother used to take me to the student

1334
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,520
union at cornell university to watch

1335
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,839
star trek when it was air when it was

1336
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,680
airing and rerun like before there were

1337
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:18,000
ever conventions my mom was one of the

1338
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,079
original trekkers wrote letters all of

1339
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,040
that so this is the world i grew up in

1340
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:24,400
by the way

1341
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:26,480
where i've always been a fan i found

1342
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,559
specifically this most recent season of

1343
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,119
discovery to be

1344
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:32,880
probably the most star trek-y star trek

1345
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,720
there was you just have to look at the

1346
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,000
whole season as though it were one

1347
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:40,160
episode of the original show like it

1348
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,480
like it's split up but if you look at it

1349
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,440
as one episode it was so

1350
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,319
true

1351
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,280
at its core to star trek uh and what

1352
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:52,160
it's all about that it was it was it was

1353
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:54,800
an epiphany um once you realize the

1354
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,000
whole thing um and while there may be

1355
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,680
different opinions out there in the

1356
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,640
internet you know spoiler alert the

1357
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,800
internet has varying opinions um

1358
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,640
no it doesn't

1359
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,520
and i refuse to believe that

1360
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,559
um

1361
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,880
but uh as a fan i can tell you i felt

1362
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:13,599
wholly supported and loved by the

1363
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,119
creators of this most recent season

1364
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,800
once i saw where it was going there was

1365
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,240
times in the middle where i was a little

1366
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,559
like where are they going with this

1367
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:22,640
what's going to happen here but by time

1368
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:25,599
it all the reveals were done and the c

1369
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,520
and c and the season ended i was like

1370
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:29,599
man that was satisfying that was

1371
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,280
everything i needed star trek to be but

1372
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:34,640
you had to look at it as a whole as

1373
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,480
opposed to its individual parts

1374
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,319
i better i better

1375
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,800
change the subject quickly before i

1376
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:43,119
say some star trek faux pas and put my

1377
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,980
foot in it because

1378
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:46,720
i have not come prepared for the

1379
00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:49,440
[Laughter]

1380
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,800
the highbrow discussion uh at all having

1381
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,830
been you know one episode through the

1382
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,559
next generation

1383
00:48:51,830 --> 00:48:56,240
[Laughter]

1384
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,640
the the other reason i mentioned kind of

1385
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:00,480
outer space is because i i saw

1386
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,760
this is back when i first started

1387
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,839
playing some you know theory crafting

1388
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,400
kind of is this theoretically possible

1389
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:10,800
given the rules in in 5th edition and it

1390
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,040
was basically like

1391
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,359
given some high level spells could a

1392
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,720
couple of wizards make essentially like

1393
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:20,480
an ion cannon or effectively the same as

1394
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,440
like a command conquer iron

1395
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,400
cannon

1396
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,200
so

1397
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,920
through teleporting stuff and you know

1398
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,520
changing the mass of stuff could we

1399
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,040
teleport this

1400
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,359
you know mount inside

1401
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,440
kilometers up into the sky

1402
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:36,720
and then crash it down and then the dms

1403
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,359
just like

1404
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,359
oh boy

1405
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:46,880
i guess

1406
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:48,640
let me just roll a million d6 for the

1407
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,160
damage uh

1408
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,839
yeah i think you're right i think with

1409
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:56,000
ninth level spells especially those um

1410
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:58,720
i think you can absolutely do it um

1411
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,960
within the rules uh meteor swarm is is a

1412
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,200
great place to start from i mean how

1413
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,880
much damage does meteor storm do

1414
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,440
what would you have to build into it to

1415
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,400
make meteor storm more damage

1416
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,240
are there effects is there

1417
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,119
precedent for magic items that could

1418
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:16,480
make that bigger or badder than what it

1419
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:19,359
starts at i think the answer is

1420
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:22,160
absolutely yes the question is

1421
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:24,319
do you do that or maybe it's not at that

1422
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,079
ninth level spell maybe it's the boom

1423
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:28,400
that you would grant to a character that

1424
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:31,599
goes beyond 20th level because while you

1425
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,760
don't level anymore uh you can get with

1426
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:35,760
the expanded rules you know three extra

1427
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,680
hit points a level or whatever it is per

1428
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,559
level and then you can get boons as

1429
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,920
opposed to feats so maybe one of those

1430
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,680
extra 20

1431
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,559
20th level things is a boon that

1432
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,640
increases the damage of meteors

1433
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:51,839
or something like that so i think

1434
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,280
i think the possibility is there

1435
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:56,480
i think

1436
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,880
as a player character it doesn't

1437
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,720
make sense narratively i don't think the

1438
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,599
enjoyment level would be there for

1439
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:05,440
player characters to do that however

1440
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:08,960
if you were to acknowledge that that

1441
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,880
exists as a dm and say somebody else has

1442
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,599
already done that work

1443
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:16,319
and you're a crew member on said ship

1444
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:18,720
voila now you're now you're chasing the

1445
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:20,160
stars on this boat that has the ability

1446
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:22,400
to breathe and you're fighting other

1447
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,200
enemies who've also done it or that are

1448
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,520
already out there um and now you're

1449
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,480
harkening back to some classic

1450
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,400
pulp fiction space stuff jules verne's

1451
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,160
to the moon and back uh edgar

1452
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,040
riceborough's john carter warlord of

1453
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,800
mars the original buck rogers novels all

1454
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,960
things that i read when i was very young

1455
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,720
that i hold very close and near and dear

1456
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,520
to my heart and i utilize those

1457
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:47,599
influences in the games i run um i run a

1458
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,200
series of one shots about a boat and

1459
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:51,520
it's just on the on the c right it's

1460
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,920
just a normal boat on an ocean doing

1461
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,960
different things but the idea is very

1462
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:59,359
star trek-like where they do missions or

1463
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:03,280
they go to places and visit strange new

1464
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:05,119
islands uh and meet new civilizations uh

1465
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,119
in an effort to learn more about the

1466
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:09,440
world in which they live in and by way

1467
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:12,480
of that learn more about themselves so

1468
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,240
it i mean space is is a great thing to

1469
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,520
play in a great area to play in and it

1470
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,160
offers

1471
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,280
great new things to look at but it can

1472
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,200
also be

1473
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,800
uh utilized as a catalyst to run

1474
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,800
adventures locally and you're just

1475
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,520
visiting new new places

1476
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,440
and the trip isn't what's important as

1477
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,200
much as what happens when you get to the

1478
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,640
location

1479
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,640
yeah is that they say something similar

1480
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,839
about star wars that it's a space opera

1481
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,400
and you could you could pretty much

1482
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:40,880
reskin a lot of star wars to

1483
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,880
pretty much any other kind of theme or

1484
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,640
decade and

1485
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:48,880
most beats would hit the same that that

1486
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:52,000
i do quite like that kind of

1487
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,839
the romanticism of exploring at sea it

1488
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,480
harkens back to like you know pirates

1489
00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:58,880
the caribbean uh christopher columbus

1490
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:01,839
kind of you know sea of thieves level of

1491
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,960
play is sinbad the sailor all of the

1492
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:06,319
yeah

1493
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:09,440
uh odysseus and and the odyssey

1494
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:11,040
i mean to go back to our classic roots

1495
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,559
um you know what can be better than that

1496
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,760
that's exactly what that was that was

1497
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,520
them just going to different places

1498
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,839
doing different things where they

1499
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,680
explored various aspects of how does

1500
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:22,400
this man grow and he doesn't get home

1501
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,839
until his journey has ended when he has

1502
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,160
finally become the man he should have

1503
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:28,640
been to begin with that's when he got

1504
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,800
home and not a moment before to kind of

1505
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,839
circle back i always loved

1506
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,400
the one thing i was loved about the

1507
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:37,040
odyssey is his home was ithaca where i'm

1508
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,280
from and i always go back to that kind

1509
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,680
of concept where it was very neat for

1510
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,839
him to go back home to ithaca where i

1511
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,520
started at the end of his journey

1512
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:46,480
something that i i look forward to at

1513
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,880
some point i would love to have a

1514
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,839
retirement in my hometown for that exact

1515
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,680
reason hmm yeah that's nice that's yeah

1516
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:56,640
i i'd like to see

1517
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,720
i'd like to play a game of that

1518
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,440
yeah that basically the next generation

1519
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:03,440
but you know pirates at sea yeah

1520
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,440
okay i'm i'm probably doing you a huge

1521
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,280
disservice and talking it down way more

1522
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,880
than it is but that that's

1523
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,960
the image i have for rightly or wrongly

1524
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:16,079
in my head it's not far off actually

1525
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,440
um you know because the nature of 5e is

1526
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:20,000
you need more combats and more

1527
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,680
interactions uh next generation is

1528
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,079
largely a much more introspective show

1529
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,240
than an action-oriented show while there

1530
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:28,160
are action episodes

1531
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:30,880
most of the episodes are not action in

1532
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,960
nature um they are more philosophical in

1533
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,680
nature there are other star trek

1534
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,400
programs that were more or less action

1535
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,000
oriented than the next gen

1536
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,760
and i take that into consideration when

1537
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,119
i'm running the game but you always work

1538
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,680
within the framework of the game you're

1539
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:47,920
playing uh which is you need more of the

1540
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,520
combat you need more of that encounter

1541
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,000
structure so i try to put that in there

1542
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:54,559
but but it's not far off it is kind of

1543
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,799
the the the road map that i've set from

1544
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:59,440
that for that game

1545
00:54:56,799 --> 00:55:00,400
uh and i've also just been thinking that

1546
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,520
what we were talking about earlier on

1547
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,559
about the different planes i think the

1548
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:06,960
astral sea is a is a thing which i often

1549
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:08,480
see is depicted as basically being

1550
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,559
space

1551
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,520
except it's purple rather than black

1552
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,599
um

1553
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,079
so yeah i guess that you know

1554
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:17,599
to get your space field kicks it's

1555
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:20,160
you know now uh now we've talked about

1556
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:22,160
it is there's 101 ways to do that and i

1557
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,280
think when you put the mundanity of

1558
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:27,760
space next to say the the gith and their

1559
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,440
eternal war in the astral plane

1560
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,040
you'd probably pick the actual plane

1561
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,640
over

1562
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,640
you know floating aimlessly forever in

1563
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,960
space yeah and again i mean that's that

1564
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,720
the astral plane is this connection to

1565
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,760
these great cosmological planes that

1566
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,760
they're that they're currently dealing

1567
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,000
with it's kind of the the highway that

1568
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,920
runs in between all these various

1569
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,720
cosmic cities

1570
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,640
yeah and we totally linked yeah i've

1571
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,960
recently started reading more and more

1572
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:56,400
on the gith and finding them very

1573
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,960
interesting i've not figured out the

1574
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:02,720
the hook that i want to use to adding

1575
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,160
them to my current games uh but i find

1576
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:07,119
them interesting enough that i'm looking

1577
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,799
for that hook like i want to oh okay

1578
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,559
and because i like

1579
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:13,359
that deep history that they have built

1580
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,119
up for them is really interesting um

1581
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:17,359
i i don't know if i've wrapped my head

1582
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:19,359
around the cosmology piece and the space

1583
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:21,839
that they occupy well

1584
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:23,200
enough where i feel confident running it

1585
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:25,040
but i would be

1586
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,839
very interested and happy to have

1587
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:30,400
somebody run one in one of my games or

1588
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:32,240
to even play one in another game or

1589
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,280
something like that certainly a one-shot

1590
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:37,520
or adventure league that type of thing

1591
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,480
a gift soul life i think would be pretty

1592
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,760
cool

1593
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,520
yeah

1594
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,000
that to uh i think that would be a lot

1595
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,559
of fun though i leaned closer towards

1596
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:49,040
the gethser eye than the githyanki uh i

1597
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,920
think yeah you sound like me and that

1598
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,240
you've

1599
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,160
reading the law and the fluff and that's

1600
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,240
what uh attracted me to say like

1601
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,720
warhammer back in the day i used to be

1602
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:01,599
quite heavily into 40k many years ago

1603
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:04,000
and i'd read the codices just to get all

1604
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:05,359
the fluff and the law and

1605
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,799
i thought i was particularly drawn to

1606
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:08,000
the tyranids and the chaos space marines

1607
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:10,319
because they had really kind of

1608
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,720
interesting and unique

1609
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:13,760
fluff and stories and all that kind of

1610
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,440
stuff and

1611
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,240
likewise with a couple of the creatures

1612
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,920
like the gif in d i'm like oh

1613
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,160
in the same thought thought processes

1614
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,480
view of i want to use this

1615
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,960
i just don't know how yeah

1616
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,079
exactly i've got a queue forming into

1617
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,319
you know knocking on the door of my

1618
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:33,680
campaign of of creatures being like yeah

1619
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:33,680
how are you going to fit us in because

1620
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:39,200
because we want in

1621
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,720
yeah and we and we know you want us in

1622
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,559
uh that's where i think

1623
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,799
uh situations like eventually when you

1624
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:47,599
have opportunities to play really come

1625
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:50,079
and come come into mind um i've got to

1626
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,359
play test some neat ideas and run

1627
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:53,520
characters through a couple different

1628
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:55,760
adventures just by playing them in

1629
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:58,799
in uh adventure league it's actually how

1630
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,319
i learned 5d i came to 5v fairly late it

1631
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:02,480
had been out for like three years before

1632
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:04,720
i started playing it um

1633
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,319
and i wanted to play people wanted me to

1634
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,880
run because i was running another game

1635
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:11,520
system like we want you to run d d again

1636
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:14,559
and i'm like well i have to learn it and

1637
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:16,880
they're like oh it's easy i'm like

1638
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:19,839
not when you want to play at the level i

1639
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,680
like to play at right i like to i have

1640
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:24,480
my own belief system and what makes a

1641
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,520
good game and if i'm running a game i

1642
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,839
have to have a certain level of

1643
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,359
confidence in that skill so i had to go

1644
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:31,440
learn the game and i found that

1645
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:33,760
eventually was instrumental in learning

1646
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,640
that like learning the the rules with

1647
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,079
space and combat and how things interact

1648
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,079
and and then

1649
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,960
pushing the limits of the rules as

1650
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,520
written

1651
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:46,720
to include uh the chandelier and all the

1652
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:49,280
other things and and then okay so

1653
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,559
you know your average aldm doesn't like

1654
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,400
that kind of thing or won't do that

1655
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:55,200
because he doesn't know how to get think

1656
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,520
outside of the text box or the dialog

1657
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,480
box but now that i'm going to be home

1658
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,040
ruling

1659
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,640
my campaign world i can so i can take

1660
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,079
that framework that i've now learned and

1661
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:08,000
understood and change that or alter that

1662
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:09,440
or tweak that so it can include the

1663
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,799
things that i want to do or that i've

1664
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,440
always done

1665
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:15,280
into this new framework and um that's

1666
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,280
kind of how i learn things so

1667
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,799
i learn by doing and so

1668
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,440
for me with 5v

1669
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:22,960
my doing happened in adventure league

1670
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,640
and now i'm and now i'm running and i'm

1671
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,720
running enough games and

1672
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,799
with this podcast and working with josh

1673
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,960
and having the opportunities to talk to

1674
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:32,799
other podcasters such as yourself

1675
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,680
getting enough uh

1676
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:35,440
where

1677
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,880
i no longer need adventure league as

1678
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,880
much as i used to

1679
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,359
because i can have great conversations

1680
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,599
like this and spitball ideas and come up

1681
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:44,559
with great techniques and great great

1682
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:47,040
plans

1683
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:49,200
that way hmm that's good yeah that's

1684
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,119
nice and i i

1685
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,960
actually am maybe a

1686
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:55,680
future version of yourself because i i

1687
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:58,400
have incorporated the gift into mine and

1688
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:01,119
i'll tell you how they are just for food

1689
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,760
for thought so the way i understand them

1690
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:05,040
is that they are well the gifts are i

1691
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,440
are kind of like

1692
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,799
galactic kind of peacekeepers to a

1693
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,480
certain extent not peacekeepers but you

1694
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:14,400
know they try and keep everything kind

1695
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,400
of natural and and neutral and

1696
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,799
yankier kind of the warfaring side of

1697
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:22,640
that and just want power to for the sake

1698
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:24,799
of having power so how i've tried to

1699
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,160
incorporate that is my players as

1700
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:29,440
players often do

1701
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,359
have found a powerful item a powerful

1702
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,319
relic of a bygone

1703
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:33,920
era

1704
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:37,200
so powerful that it's drawn the

1705
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:40,160
attention of the gith both sides

1706
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,079
so what i had was the gith

1707
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,359
ziri

1708
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:44,960
like appear

1709
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:46,880
in front of the pie as they're traveling

1710
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,799
back to home base and be like hey you've

1711
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,680
got a super powerful item that you have

1712
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:53,920
no idea what it does because you're just

1713
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,960
dumb adventurers and just pick up shiny

1714
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,119
things and

1715
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,599
hit other people with them

1716
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:00,960
uh whereas we're like you know

1717
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:01,920
centuries old

1718
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,680
you know

1719
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,760
playing our intelligences

1720
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,799
just just just give it to us because

1721
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,160
like you don't know what you're doing

1722
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:10,079
and you could do something very bad with

1723
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,240
it and of course the players like no we

1724
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,440
want the shiny sword it's ours

1725
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,440
go away

1726
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,520
green alien men which of course led to a

1727
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,280
fight that uh i think the gifts are

1728
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,559
right eventually just like plane shifted

1729
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,880
out of there except okay well we don't

1730
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:24,240
want to die so we'll just teleport home

1731
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,240
what the players don't know is that

1732
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,079
there are there are of course uh also

1733
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,280
get yankee who are

1734
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:31,200
uh

1735
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,040
not quite as polite

1736
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,680
shall we say without spoiling too much

1737
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:38,400
for my players when it comes to uh

1738
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,920
trying to get their hands on power so

1739
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,440
that's that's currently how they sit

1740
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,200
it's it's literally an arms race between

1741
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,079
the two gifts and it just so happens

1742
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,440
that the players uh caught in the middle

1743
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:49,200
smack in the middle yeah oh that's

1744
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:52,000
that's fabulous that's

1745
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:54,160
that's not a bad future state at all and

1746
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,680
if i end up or when i end up using

1747
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,520
something along those lines or that

1748
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:01,119
framework i will certainly give you the

1749
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:03,680
send up because i really do like that

1750
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:07,520
that's one of my uh about 50 spinning

1751
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:09,920
plates that i am

1752
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:13,520
running between to keep keep maintain

1753
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,520
that uh angular momentum

1754
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:19,440
so we've talked a lot about

1755
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,680
in universe space specifically within

1756
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,760
you know combat that that i remember

1757
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,079
seeing a a photo somebody did where they

1758
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,240
laid you know when they on on some grass

1759
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:30,000
they laid some two by fours out of wood

1760
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,520
and did the five foot square to kind of

1761
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,599
help people

1762
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,760
see and visualize what a five foot

1763
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:38,240
square is for the sake of combat let's

1764
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,920
do in the rounds maybe a year ago i saw

1765
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,079
that uh actually

1766
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,680
um i actually looked at that i want to

1767
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:47,200
say last week again to just kind of

1768
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,440
re-educate myself as to what that space

1769
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,280
looks and feels like and i find myself

1770
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,799
oddly at various times like if i'm in a

1771
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,640
waiting room waiting for something

1772
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:57,760
thinking about whoa here's my five foot

1773
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,760
combat square and

1774
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,839
just in case anyone in this waiting room

1775
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:03,680
kicks

1776
01:03:00,839 --> 01:03:05,599
off yeah if this line doesn't move in

1777
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,480
the dmv something's going to happen here

1778
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:08,480
that's all i'm saying

1779
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,880
hopefully in australia you have not

1780
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,039
digressed into a bureau of motor

1781
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,240
vehicles like we have here in the states

1782
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:18,799
and you don't have to deal with that

1783
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,400
line and obviously post covid we're not

1784
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:22,799
dealing with lines like that anymore but

1785
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:26,880
it is the bane of our existence here in

1786
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:28,720
the states is waiting in the dmv line

1787
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,960
he's also in england

1788
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,960
oh

1789
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,680
i'm not sure whether to be flattered or

1790
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,960
insulted

1791
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,559
flattering because that's how it was

1792
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,960
intended

1793
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:44,520
i'm kidding i'm kidding anyway pokhart's

1794
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,520
over thanks guys

1795
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,480
we are fortunate to not have the horrors

1796
01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:55,359
of the dmv to the extent that i

1797
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:57,119
understand uh you are lucky to to have

1798
01:03:55,359 --> 01:04:00,160
them

1799
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:01,760
uh are we all done by post here um

1800
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,799
but uh oh gosh i forgot what we're

1801
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,400
talking about

1802
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:07,200
well we're talking about the five foot

1803
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,559
squares and i don't know yes

1804
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,079
yeah no no

1805
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,119
hey that's the that's the nature of the

1806
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,599
beast

1807
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:15,599
especially with this this episode um so

1808
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:18,000
yeah that was that's quite an

1809
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:20,319
interesting visualization to help people

1810
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,880
kind of really comprehend because

1811
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:25,119
often i get the question of

1812
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,520
they want to move their maximum speed

1813
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:28,720
and it's 30 foot which is kind of an

1814
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,480
abstraction

1815
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,319
to a certain extent of

1816
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,280
the pieces on the board

1817
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:35,599
and

1818
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,000
it doesn't seem very far but then when

1819
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:39,359
you show people that visualization it's

1820
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,559
like no hey

1821
01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:44,799
30 foot when you're getting accosted by

1822
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:47,359
you know aberrations from space

1823
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:50,000
it's pretty darn far to be fair

1824
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:51,440
uh in in my youth i was much faster than

1825
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,400
i am today

1826
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:57,839
and even in my youth me to go 30 foot

1827
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:59,599
took basically something chasing me

1828
01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:01,599
in six seconds right because around six

1829
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:04,400
seconds correct in six seconds i just

1830
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:06,319
don't move 30 feet in six seconds and i

1831
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,400
inherently get that with the space

1832
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:10,559
because of my experiences in the real

1833
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,640
world as well and i'm sure josh has a

1834
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:15,280
much better understanding of that uh

1835
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,480
having done sca yeah yeah very much i

1836
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,960
mean it's it's

1837
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,559
that that feeling where you know you

1838
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:25,039
have a a brief gap of time to move from

1839
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:28,000
where you are 50 feet away and you're

1840
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:29,680
wearing 50 pounds of armor and just

1841
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,359
desperately hoping that somebody does

1842
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,720
not try to stop you because then that's

1843
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:35,680
going to be a challenge that you need to

1844
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,760
overcome to get to your spot uh yeah it

1845
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,480
is it is a palpably

1846
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:43,200
terrifying experience i bet yeah for the

1847
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,880
for the uninitiated what is a ca stand

1848
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,960
oh sure yeah yeah so the sca is the

1849
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,720
society for creative anachronisms uh

1850
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:51,119
it's basically it's a medieval

1851
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:53,440
recreation organization and one of the

1852
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:56,559
big things that they do is is uh uh

1853
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,760
simulated armored combat so wow okay of

1854
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,680
course that was that's for the benefit

1855
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,920
of the listeners i of course knew sure

1856
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,760
what that was

1857
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,760
absolutely yeah and then in my

1858
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,839
experience with the military uh when i

1859
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,480
joined and i went to basic training you

1860
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:12,400
know i was in great shape at the time

1861
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:15,440
and i thought i was in decent shape i

1862
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:19,359
could walk anywhere do anything you know

1863
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:21,359
going on a 5k uh walk or hike was fine

1864
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:23,119
but then in the military

1865
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:25,599
you're doing that with

1866
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:29,039
60 pounds of gear

1867
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:30,839
a seven pound weapon in your hands and

1868
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:33,520
that's not including

1869
01:06:30,839 --> 01:06:36,240
ammunition and then you're walking at

1870
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:38,480
180 steps per minute

1871
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:42,000
for five kilometers

1872
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:44,400
in uneven territory uphills downhills

1873
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:47,039
around things over obstacles things like

1874
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:49,760
that and when you put all of those out

1875
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:51,920
any one of those elements is easy

1876
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,680
all of those elements and the total

1877
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,799
duration of time

1878
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,319
i get

1879
01:06:54,799 --> 01:07:00,880
the exhaustion rules i understand i

1880
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:03,119
understand that a short rest will get

1881
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,200
you a little bit but not a lot of it i

1882
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:08,079
understand that a long rest is what it

1883
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:10,799
takes after a 5k road march and all of

1884
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:14,160
those things you add into there a combat

1885
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:16,559
or two and i get i get what the game is

1886
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,000
trying to bring to the table and when i

1887
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:19,520
hear players

1888
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,880
not understand that like i should be

1889
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,039
able to do this i should be able to do

1890
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,440
that i'm like

1891
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:28,079
probably not in the real world and in a

1892
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:30,720
game sense i think they did a masterful

1893
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:32,000
job of simplifying a way to make it

1894
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,400
clear that

1895
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,240
even if you're playing superheroes uh

1896
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,039
you gotta take a breather

1897
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,520
yeah

1898
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:41,440
you're still limited by you know biology

1899
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,200
and physics to us to a certain extent

1900
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,680
and there's someone slams haste on you

1901
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,680
but uh

1902
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,559
yeah i mean that that feeling when uh in

1903
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,440
in a physical space or you know in again

1904
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:55,359
in the air quote real real world when

1905
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,599
you know that you want to go from point

1906
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:58,480
a to point b and your body is is telling

1907
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:01,520
you

1908
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:03,920
you need to sit down and get some food

1909
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:06,640
in you get some water in you because you

1910
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,640
know it's it's 110 degrees out and

1911
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:12,160
you're foolishly running around in 50

1912
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:14,960
pounds of armor like sit your ass down

1913
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:17,520
yeah good luck uh i i i watch shows like

1914
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,199
naked and afraid and things like that um

1915
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,520
and i think they're awesome

1916
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:24,480
and watching a show like that is very

1917
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,000
easy to say oh i could do that but then

1918
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:26,960
think about that for a moment could you

1919
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,279
really

1920
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,600
could you really with no clothes so your

1921
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:34,239
feet aren't even protected land yourself

1922
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:36,560
in the african savannah hearing lions

1923
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:40,480
and cheetah howl at night

1924
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:43,040
survive for 40 days or 60 days my guess

1925
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:45,359
is probably not like you'd be tapping

1926
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:48,000
out pretty quick um you know even the

1927
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:50,159
people that tap out after two episodes

1928
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,799
which is the equivalent of you know a

1929
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:54,319
week or three days they're heroes they

1930
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:55,920
did more than most people are gonna do

1931
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,199
they certainly did more than i would do

1932
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,279
because i didn't even go out for the

1933
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:01,120
show you know

1934
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:03,199
right exactly yeah i looked at the

1935
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:06,080
premise and said no yeah i said this is

1936
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:09,920
gonna be a good a good watch

1937
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:13,759
yeah from my couch experts from my couch

1938
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,759
in my jammies with my hot coat

1939
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:19,759
and my shoes yeah slippers yeah

1940
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,279
one thing that we took to distance in

1941
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:22,719
combat and we will basically agree that

1942
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,679
the hey you know in the in the heat

1943
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:28,319
about 30 foot is pretty decent decent

1944
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:30,080
enough i was reading recently that again

1945
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,600
it's it's a bit minmaxy it's a bit you

1946
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:34,159
know unlikely to

1947
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,520
happen that often but i think it's a

1948
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:37,199
combination of like if you're i think

1949
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,920
tabaxi

1950
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:41,600
can double their speed or

1951
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,319
something at some point so if you

1952
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,440
combine that with a monk and haste that

1953
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,799
was it someone someone did a theory

1954
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:49,279
crafting on reddit that basically said

1955
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:52,080
what's the theoretically highest

1956
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:54,159
speed in around someone that we can do

1957
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,199
with all feats and all items and all

1958
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:56,400
spells

1959
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:58,320
pushed together like you've seen

1960
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,320
probably before with the ac

1961
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,960
theoretically highest ac so 35 or

1962
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:04,960
something bonkers i think i think it was

1963
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:08,000
like 415

1964
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:11,040
feet yes yeah it's it is quite

1965
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,040
ridiculous i've seen it done

1966
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,120
and monk was definitely used i forget

1967
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,440
what the other class was used is

1968
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:20,159
actually done with a very human but a

1969
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:23,760
youtuber who i follow

1970
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:25,520
does d d versions of superheroes

1971
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:28,800
and he did the flash

1972
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:31,600
and it was crazy it was just crazy

1973
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:34,640
like just the amount of space this

1974
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:37,120
character he created could do was insane

1975
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:39,360
he's also done sonic the hedgehog and a

1976
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:41,199
few others and it's like

1977
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,320
how in the world is he able to get this

1978
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:43,120
done

1979
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,880
um

1980
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,040
yeah i mean it's probably a lot you have

1981
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,400
to sacrifice to get that level of

1982
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,920
speed as in that you're probably not

1983
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,199
running a very well-tuned character in

1984
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:55,520
any other area but right no no no they

1985
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:58,239
were optimized for a purpose

1986
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,920
yeah but i'd i would like to see the

1987
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:01,520
grin on my face if i rocked up to a

1988
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:03,440
table with with my mates and they're

1989
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:06,159
like oh how far can i move the combat no

1990
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:08,080
30 oh 20 25 because you know you're a

1991
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:09,520
halfling yeah yeah and i'm just there

1992
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:13,199
like 120

1993
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:14,719
before i've even like attacked it

1994
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:17,360
and i'm gonna dash as a bonus action

1995
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:19,199
yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah cool anyway

1996
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,920
i'll see you guys in the next city uh

1997
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:23,440
next week yeah all right exactly

1998
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,520
i'll have a room set up for us yeah

1999
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:28,480
those kind of characters are excellent

2000
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:30,080
for one shots and yeah again adventure

2001
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:32,400
league is perfect for those types of

2002
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,239
things because you do them they're fun

2003
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,640
they're in the moment and you don't have

2004
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:38,880
to worry about the ongoing tedium of

2005
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:42,239
that being the only thing you can do you

2006
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,719
know it's great if you can move 850 feet

2007
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:46,880
or whatever in a single round but

2008
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:48,320
if you move that far to stab somebody

2009
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,840
for 1d4

2010
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:52,719
it gets real old by the time you're

2011
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,159
level six or seven

2012
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:55,600
that uh that recurring enemy that you

2013
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:57,920
were talking about before knows you're

2014
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:00,159
the fast guy and makes sure to bring a

2015
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:02,000
wizard that can freeze you in time

2016
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:03,360
before you run around you know yeah

2017
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,760
which is uh which is an ability the

2018
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:07,600
gifts are i have i think one of those

2019
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,840
the higher gifts or i can do like a time

2020
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,159
shift thing to really get a nice little

2021
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,880
bow on there

2022
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:16,320
on that conversation yeah absolutely uh

2023
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,679
you know it's great when the combat

2024
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,679
takes place in knee-deep mud

2025
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,640
good luck run if you will

2026
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,960
i don't know why that's so funny

2027
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,400
this is the marsh like swamp plan

2028
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:36,080
fighting yeah

2029
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:37,280
yeah uh so we've talked a lot about this

2030
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,280
is what i was getting to about 20

2031
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:41,120
minutes ago but we're back here now so

2032
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,719
it's all good um

2033
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,600
in in universe

2034
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:47,199
space and speed and restrictions and the

2035
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,199
physicality of the dimensions and

2036
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:50,400
whatnot and we talked a little bit about

2037
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:51,199
outer space

2038
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,120
and

2039
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:55,199
tangentially we've talked a bit about

2040
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,040
kind of minis and and combat on the

2041
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:59,280
board and kind of

2042
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,360
physical space in the real world

2043
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,600
here's one thing that i thought we could

2044
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:06,320
end on to to really come out of the

2045
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:09,040
field was mental space

2046
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:12,480
so what i mean by that is and this is a

2047
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:14,640
this is a labored attempt to make this

2048
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:16,719
have a wholesome end to the podcast and

2049
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,640
i wanted to talk a little bit about

2050
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:20,080
you know why do you play essentially you

2051
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:23,600
know what does it how does it make you

2052
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:24,880
feel you know do you play to escapism

2053
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,600
you know do you come out the other side

2054
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,960
being like hey i'm i'm feeling better

2055
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,400
you know

2056
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,600
the woes of

2057
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,080
today have

2058
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,360
melted away a little bit so

2059
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:38,880
you know what what do you guys do what

2060
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:41,920
you do essentially so

2061
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,440
i think that luanika and i will agree on

2062
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,440
this that

2063
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:47,199
at our hearts

2064
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:49,440
we are doing this

2065
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:52,400
because we're storytellers because we

2066
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:54,080
want to we we have a story in our head

2067
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:57,199
that we want to

2068
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,560
invite friends to participate in and to

2069
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:00,960
contribute to

2070
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:04,560
you know it that's sort of the core

2071
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:06,719
belief behind uh a collaborative world

2072
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,280
building approach to

2073
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:11,520
a homebrew campaign now both of us use

2074
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,880
d5 as kind of the core rule set behind

2075
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,120
it but we also play in heavily

2076
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:19,760
homebrewed campaigns and

2077
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:21,280
really i'm asking players to

2078
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,120
come

2079
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,960
see the world that that i've kind of

2080
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,199
imagined and experience the things that

2081
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:29,520
i've imagined and play in the scenarios

2082
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:31,760
that i'm setting up for you but i really

2083
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,679
want that to be a collaborative process

2084
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,040
i want them to tell me

2085
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:37,120
you know when they walk into the city

2086
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,120
for the first time that their character

2087
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,640
has never been to what is it that they

2088
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:44,080
see or what is it that draws their

2089
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:46,320
attention to that sort of thing and so i

2090
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,080
start from the point where i want to

2091
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,840
tell that story or i want the story to

2092
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,760
be told i don't want to tell the story

2093
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,360
as the dm but i want the story to be

2094
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,960
told i want

2095
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,040
i want i want to know what happens you

2096
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:59,280
know i want to know how does it play out

2097
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,880
you know i i i'm setting up a scenario

2098
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,880
but i don't i don't know if they're

2099
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,800
going to win at the end i don't know if

2100
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,640
they're going to be the big bad guy i

2101
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,400
don't know if they're going to figure

2102
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,400
out the mystery or or if the mystery is

2103
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,640
going to remain unsolved you know that's

2104
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:15,040
that's all part of the story

2105
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,640
for me and i i'm i'm as curious as they

2106
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,560
are to go ahead and

2107
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,560
wait to the end to find out uh to find

2108
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,560
out what they did that's where i'm where

2109
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,480
i'm beginning and why i want this you

2110
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,239
know to to

2111
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:29,520
why i'm doing what i'm doing and why i

2112
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:32,880
why i play and why i storytell and to

2113
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:34,320
circle around to josh's uh statement

2114
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,560
again where

2115
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,800
i start from almost exactly the same

2116
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:41,040
point but diverge slightly i would say

2117
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,640
the same things but i would add to that

2118
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:46,320
that for me

2119
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:49,040
i approach this in my own headspace as

2120
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:51,280
being the vehicle for the story

2121
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,800
on the car on the wheels or whatever and

2122
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,120
i'm going to lay a road out in front of

2123
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,800
everybody but the players are steering

2124
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,080
the direction the players are choosing

2125
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,640
where to stop

2126
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:03,040
and i think what it satisfies in me

2127
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,920
personally is my ability to be creative

2128
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,800
to

2129
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,800
create a new thing build a new thing

2130
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,640
do something that creates excitement and

2131
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,880
enjoyment for other people

2132
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,640
and also to build a community um i come

2133
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,080
from a very small town

2134
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,520
and community is very important i'm

2135
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,360
still close with kids i was in

2136
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,760
kindergarten with

2137
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:24,239
you know 40 plus years later i still

2138
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,920
talk with them regularly on facebook

2139
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:28,719
because we don't live anywhere near each

2140
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:31,120
other um all over the country sometimes

2141
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:32,320
the world and so building that community

2142
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,560
the people i went to high school with

2143
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,000
i'm still close with uh in various

2144
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,600
states and various

2145
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,120
countries and nations i have friends all

2146
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,520
over the world and i think building a

2147
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:44,239
community is part of what fuels my drive

2148
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:46,480
to be a storyteller a dm and a creative

2149
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:50,080
content person there's an element of

2150
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:52,320
escapism in it this world has been ugly

2151
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,920
uh we talked before the podcast that at

2152
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,000
one point josh and i talked about doing

2153
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,000
a political podcast and we decided

2154
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,640
that's just not fun that's just

2155
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:03,760
it's draining to my soul to do politics

2156
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,560
on a regular basis but this isn't

2157
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,400
so

2158
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,080
escape from some of these real world

2159
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,320
things i think is an important part and

2160
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,719
then the other part is catharsis

2161
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:16,080
if i'm frustrated even in that political

2162
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:18,719
realm i can find an analog for it in a

2163
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,960
medieval fantasy and have

2164
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:22,560
you know an evil ruler who's deposed and

2165
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:25,120
all the things that happen

2166
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:27,199
as that process goes on and have that be

2167
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:30,080
an exciting thing because the heroes are

2168
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:32,080
part of getting rid of the evil ruler um

2169
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,719
not to get overly political but i do

2170
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,320
think catharsis is part of it i think

2171
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:37,760
everybody who's listening to the podcast

2172
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,560
will probably get what i mean by saying

2173
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,960
that

2174
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,640
um you know so those are big elements

2175
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,480
for me that's kind of what i think about

2176
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,719
but it all comes right back to

2177
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:49,760
being creative and creating that story

2178
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:52,400
and wanting to have a story told me to

2179
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,800
be a part of it like a director of some

2180
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kind but not necessarily me sitting

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around the campfire telling the entire

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thing i want to be surprised too i want

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to find out where it's going

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all right thank you guys yeah that's

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nice to

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to hear you know such genuine

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01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:12,640
and sincere enthusiasm for you know the

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01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,320
creative side of it and i it's really

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01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,719
quite nice to hear that community side

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of it and it reminded me of as i

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01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:20,800
mentioned i i dm for

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colleagues and friends

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and it originally started way back when

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01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,640
as me i literally sent an email out to a

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01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,080
whole bunch of colleagues at work that i

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01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,840
thought would be interested and didn't

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01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,520
get a response back for a couple of

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01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,520
weeks and was kind of bummed out and

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01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,800
just thought oh hey i kind of you know i

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01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,880
kind of put myself out there a little

2201
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,880
bit there's still a bit of a

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01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:41,199
can be a bit of a negative connotation

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01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,560
to d in the in the uk

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01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:44,159
certainly in you know certain

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01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,520
demographics

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01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:47,199
and then to have nothing come back i was

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01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,920
a bit like oh man

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no no one wants to be my friend anymore

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[Applause]

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and then i caught one of them

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,320
literally like in the kitchen

2212
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,760
and he's like oh hey danielle i saw your

2213
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,520
email the other day uh yeah that sounds

2214
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,280
like fun what like

2215
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,280
what do we do how do we start and oh

2216
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,360
yeah uh and funny enough another guy

2217
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,480
called josh he he he wants to join in

2218
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:09,120
too and then suddenly it went from

2219
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:10,000
nobody to like six people

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and

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i think at the

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first christmas

2223
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:17,920
that came after we started playing they

2224
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,440
bought me a dice tower a little foldable

2225
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,360
capsule dice tower

2226
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,040
as to say you know thanks for

2227
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:25,360
bringing us into your hobby bringing us

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01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,640
into your world we're having like a

2229
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,480
bunch of fun that we never thought we

2230
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,000
would so you know you've put yourself

2231
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:31,760
out there and this is to say thanks from

2232
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,360
from all of us at the you know just

2233
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,040
before we start session and i was like

2234
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,840
oh

2235
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,840
my heart

2236
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:42,960
yeah that's awesome that's wonderful um

2237
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:45,199
you know work is a challenging and scary

2238
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,239
place to talk about this particular

2239
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,320
hobby

2240
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:50,640
i struggled with how i would do that

2241
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:53,520
with the podcast and

2242
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:55,360
amazingly found great support amongst my

2243
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:58,400
co-workers and it's a new job i just

2244
01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:00,480
started less than a year ago um so it's

2245
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:03,040
a combination of being the new guy

2246
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:05,280
and the geek guy

2247
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:08,080
and being one of very few guys in my

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01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:10,400
office talking about a hobby which is

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01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,800
very largely male centered uh

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01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,000
unfortunately um

2251
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,760
so

2252
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,360
it was weird putting out like what are

2253
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,840
you doing it's like you know being

2254
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,120
excited about the podcast and

2255
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,199
the feedback i've gotten from my

2256
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:25,120
co-workers has been amazing but it was a

2257
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:26,880
little bit slow in getting there i'm not

2258
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:28,960
sure if everybody knew how to approach

2259
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,400
the discussion but

2260
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:34,960
it's getting there and it's and it's

2261
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:37,280
pretty cool yeah cool yeah ah good at my

2262
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:40,639
my gambit of ending this podcast and a

2263
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:43,760
wholesome night has paid off so uh yeah

2264
01:20:40,639 --> 01:20:45,040
um did anyone uh have any think we

2265
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,480
haven't covered yet anything specific

2266
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:49,760
they wanted to talk about

2267
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:52,400
no i think we covered great grounding is

2268
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:55,760
it was an amazing topic that had so many

2269
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:57,840
different avenues uh and spaces to uh to

2270
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,440
investigate and i think we did an

2271
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,600
admirable job of it

2272
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:03,520
so many spaces really

2273
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,920
are there but in that now that is the

2274
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:08,480
end of the holocaust

2275
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,679
to be fair uh danielle i want to say

2276
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:11,280
that uh

2277
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:12,800
one of your recent podcasts somebody

2278
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,520
said something about low-hanging fruit

2279
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:17,120
is their favorite fruit i can enjoy the

2280
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,360
low-hanging fruit

2281
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,360
yeah

2282
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:25,280
awesome well again i i know i can't

2283
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:26,960
express uh my gratitude enough um that

2284
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,840
you guys have chosen to spend your

2285
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:32,239
afternoons uh recording with me so thank

2286
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:34,000
you very much for for joining us today

2287
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:36,000
yeah thank you very much for giving us a

2288
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,040
space to uh to come on here and and uh

2289
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,800
and talk with you this has been a

2290
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,880
tremendous amount of fun yeah it has

2291
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,199
been and i really enjoy everything that

2292
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,600
we've uh talked about today and look

2293
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:47,760
forward to much more of your podcast oh

2294
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,360
awesome thank you thank you so so much

2295
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,600
you don't know you don't appreciate how

2296
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,280
that how much that means to me to those

2297
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:56,080
listening at home thank you for joining

2298
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,920
us on this special bumper episode and

2299
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:00,400
you know any comments as usual you can

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01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:03,360
find us all on twitter there'll be all

2301
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:05,520
the details in the description otherwise

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01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,100
thank you all for listening and good

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01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:12,289
night

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