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thinking critically

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this is episode one of season four thank

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you so much for your patience while i

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took a much needed break between seasons

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i hope you had a chance to catch up on

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some old episodes

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and

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this episode a special episode to bring

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us into season four features one of the

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players from my own homebrew campaign

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which you can now watch on twitch at

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twitch.tv thinking critically and also

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the voids are up on my youtube should

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you wish to catch up on that

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otherwise thank you all so much for

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returning there's plenty more very

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exciting content i've got coming up in

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the next few weeks that i'm very much

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looking forward to sharing with you all

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so without much further ado let us

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return

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to

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thinking critically

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today i'm joined by matt street a

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player in my game and somebody who i

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introduced to d thank you ever so much

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for joining us today matt can you tell

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us a little bit about yourself uh it's

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an absolute pleasure to be here thank

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you danielle yeah i'm 33 years old i was

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introduced at the ripe old age of 31 to

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dnd

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it's blessed and a curse

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a lot a lot of new things have come into

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my life uh because of dnd

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um it's not my usual games i uh i'll

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probably lose you a few followers here

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download but i tend to play fifa

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um as well as fortnight with i've got

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two sons and i play a lot of games and

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first person shooter kind of things with

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them i am introducing them to d d we've

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done our first little creation of

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characters and stuff which was

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absolutely brilliant to do

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they created

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completely opposite of what i thought

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they would do which now

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the longer i'm playing dnd the more i

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see other people doing that as well in

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fact there's a little bit that i'd like

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to jump on later about some of the newer

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characters that we've seen come in more

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recently

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but no apart from absolutely loving dnd

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uh i've been mainly looking for a decent

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console game since final fantasy 9 and

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struggling pretty

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pretty badly

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um yeah that's pretty much me i think

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you just regained any followers you

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might have lost with the final fantasy 9

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reference so i think i think we just

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about broken even with there uh

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so for the context for the listeners of

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course uh for those who do uh listen

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regularly you'll hear me often talk

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about my game that i run uh my campaign

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various anonymized players and their

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their characters they're in we've had

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two players so far all the way back in

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season one episodes two and three i

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think with jack and ian and now we have

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number three with matt and of course uh

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those that do this and i've an anecdote

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i've shared several times is when

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we started playing

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we were all at the same place of work

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together which made and the reason i

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always bring this

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is because it made scheduling a piece of

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cake because

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we're working together in the same

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office and it's very easy and that's how

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you got into it with that email and yeah

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this is this is the funny thing is i was

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i had a gap in dm'ing and i wanted a new

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game i was quite close with jack who was

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on the ability episode season one

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episode two and i said look should i

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just send an email out to like everybody

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in the technical department and

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hopefully some there'll be some some

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people even with like an attrition rate

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of like 99 there should be some biters

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there that will work yeah yeah that's

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not it so i pinned this email out and it

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was a bit of a you know put my heart out

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there put my heart my sleeve

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you know a bunch of random people that

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you know i don't really work with that

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closely sometimes

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there wasn't any responses for

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two weeks maybe give or takes i said

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i tried i'm sad

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and then i remember you and another one

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of the players josh uh catching me in

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the in the work kitchen and be like oh

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that email you sent out and i was like

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oh god have i have i

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something with work exploding that i

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have made a mistake on no no no the dnd

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one oh yeah we we're

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yeah sign us up where do we start how do

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we play here

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and that was we had to do it in person

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we didn't want it written down somewhere

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that we wanted to play

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first and and kind of leads us nicely

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into the first bit that i wanted to

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cover which was being a new player to

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the game so

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ttp rg rpgs weren't

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involved in any of them and there was

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that were at my school and at my college

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that played them that were a different

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group of friends and lifestyle and

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the email that you sent out is it broke

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stereotypes of people that can play the

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game um and that's also what i'm hoping

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that i can bring to your podcast is i'm

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still struggling with a lot of the

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mechanics of the game but that's because

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it feels to me

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really new even though i've been playing

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in your campaign for so long so

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in your email coming out me and josh

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uh both project managers have access to

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the meeting rooms we need a meeting i

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really fancy playing dnd with download

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yeah me too but we can't let on to

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anyone else that knows that we want to

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give clandestine

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yeah wastage of company time but yeah

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love it please i like the fact that you

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thought it was like a

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you know uh perchance that we happened

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to meet you in the in the kitchen but

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secretly we were watching you foreign

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um but knowing in doing that we we both

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felt this pretty similar in that we were

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nervous about doing it we didn't want to

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make fools of ourselves we didn't want

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to seem stupid or

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you know having the mick taken out of us

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but what you were brilliant at doing was

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breaking down those barriers i think

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even in that first little bit you bought

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either elfies or you were the first

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person to put a voice on or something

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and do a bit of role play and then you

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relax into this and and enjoy it and

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what we know

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other day i think it's two years seven

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months ten months between between those

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two numbers yeah which is crazy and

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certainly got me through a lockdown with

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everything and i mean all of your

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listeners are going to have suffered in

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some way because of the lockdown

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and we had that regular meet up still we

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still got to see each other's faces you

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meet-ups

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but we had that over uh discord and

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so yeah it was it was huge

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but going back to being a new person to

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the game you were quite uh forgiving

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and then you give us like that was like

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the little the little seed and you know

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maybe you want to get the players

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handbook and you gave it to us piecemeal

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almost to build us up

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but it was quite daunting for even uh

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new listeners listening to your podcast

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i've got a couple of people at work that

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started picking it up

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they're like there is so much i don't

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a source of i'm new to dnd i'll listen

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to this podcast that talks through all

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yeah there's just so much information

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coming in and that's how i felt oh i

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still feel today

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you've got a lot of you

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a lot of resources at your disposal

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a few seconds in your turn each time to

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try and get through as much as you can

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and remember all the uh yeah all the

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different bits but did you find that

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when you started

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well firstly thank you for doing my job

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for me and i have neglected to do my

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classic

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and for those who haven't already

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guessed it's new

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i jumped the gun no no you didn't at all

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i just neglected to do it uh which is

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fine hey i can't get you know 60 plus

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episodes in and be perfect in every

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single one something's got to be at like

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80 percent so we can retake then

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all the way scratch the last seven

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minutes back back to square one though

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uh never retake here all one take it

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so yes so new new new players uh and

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that's why it should be really good uh

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for for you being

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obviously it's

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i have a lot of guests on with various

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different experiences but obviously i've

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you grow from as you've just described

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i don't know what tt rpg stands for yeah

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ted now like oh i'm thinking of rolling

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this and here's my smite damage and this

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that and the other and here's how many

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dice i'm rolling and stuff so it's

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there's quite a good visible

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kind of graph there of

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knowledge and growth over the last let's

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call it two and a half years yeah and

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the other thing i wanted to talk about

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before we look back around and answer

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your original question but it's the

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prerogative of the host so

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whatever uh is

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is i think i haven't mentioned this to

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you guys before but it'll be useful to

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get it on on record is i think you guys

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in a very

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rather unique situation in that your

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first and only game has been

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one that will

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last for four years and be like 200

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sessions in because

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that ever and they've been playing

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for that to be your first

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it's i think a lot of listeners are

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going back oh

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wow they really dived in at the deep end

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which is

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maybe a mistake on my part but

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[Laughter]

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yeah because it went from that uh

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little session zero where you give it

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which is what we thought it was like it

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was just a kind of like a one-hit kind

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of thing

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you roped us in for life and we had to

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sign contracts and

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i don't see my children and my family

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yeah i didn't i didn't get your payment

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last month either matt can you sort that

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out because

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oh man oh

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man but no it's um

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yeah as especially as i've you know been

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exposed to more of the the dnd world and

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not just your podcast but you know on

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youtube and people i've spoken to

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most sessions don't go past

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10 12

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and they'll start at level 9 or whatever

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they choose to go in at

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um so to do a proper ground up

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is it's brilliant for me as a player and

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i recommend it to everyone the only

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thing that i thought of is would it be

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would it have been a benefit to have

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done a scripted pre you know pre-packed

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one before i did this but i don't think

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it would have been because

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the bit i enjoy is some weeks me and

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josh used to go in with we're gonna wind

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everyone up this week we're not going to

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take this one too seriously we've had a

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rough day at work you know we've got

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that flexibility whereas in the more

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scripted ones i don't i don't know if

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that flexibility is there

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oh well me neither to be honest but now

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i know you two were conspiring against

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my carefully crafted

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i hope that wasn't any of like the

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campaign ends or like the really serious

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face you know like someone's dying and

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there's you and josh like do

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i'm gonna fart on him

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but then again it is

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rather whimsical if i do say myself uh

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our campaign oof

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um

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but no it's

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that is a good question i don't know the

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answer as to whether playing

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a short form one would be better on the

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one hand

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immediately i'm like oh probably yeah

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because you get to learn a few bits and

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bobs but

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that kind of suggests you don't get to

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learn the bips and bobs in the first few

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sessions of a longer form campaign

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so the only thing the only benefit you

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really get

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is

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an experience in a given

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race and class combo now okay that that

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isn't to me anything special because

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like to new players specifically we're

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talking about you know i've never played

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before what am i going to play because a

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most dm's myself included will give

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people the chance to respec a given

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point in a longer form campaign to be

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like i know if you're not enjoying it

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you've tried it for a bit let's just

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wreck on everything and assume you were

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a new racing class from the start if you

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so choose which obviously sidesteps that

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problem quite neatly

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otherwise i can't really think of any

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benefits you know intrinsic to

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let's place five sessions of one other

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than

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well well i can't really think of any it

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just feels like us or that i skipped the

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you know the training tutorials at the

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beginning of most games

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yeah and i was like yeah skip all that

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go on hard mode i've got i've played

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many games before in my time oh why is

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there a massive dragon at my front door

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where's my sword how do i do that

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daniello

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is this an opportunity let's be serious

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is this time the opportunity attack when

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it this isn't an opportunity attack okay

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i'm sorry for bringing it up again

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you're trying you're trying to you're

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trying to get me to drop my podcast post

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persona matthew and it's not gonna work

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i'm gonna remain professional

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i will not right we'll cancel this whole

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session

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and you and you you talk as if the

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prologue of our campaign wasn't like

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six months because it just went on

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forever because i'm an idiot

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it most certainly wasn't it's down to

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your planning

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on some of the sessions you were like

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just to let you know you didn't touch

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any of my notes

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this is next this is next week sorted

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then because we're gonna be like

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daniello's clear path is over there for

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us let's go mug someone yeah

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yeah i do i do remember the running joke

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at the time being like guys this is

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still the prologue i wanna can we can we

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start the story soon because

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we're in tried so hard

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the training zone is essentially what

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that was but again as a learning point

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for me but to finally look around and

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answer your question around

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a new player i think i have the benefit

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of being

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what's the word an obsessive personality

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for new

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hobbies and new things

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and that is evidenced by a string of old

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hobbies that

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have been put by the wayside that i've

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invested money in and then done nothing

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with so every new shiny thing i get i'm

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like oh

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i've bought a bicycle i guess i'm a

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cyclist now i better get all the gear

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to ride

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once a year to the pub that i do

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[Laughter]

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or like let's get a 3d printer oh i

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guess i need this and i guess i need

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that and i can spend all this time doing

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that for it to

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kind of slowly fade in into the back so

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d d likely hasn't slowly faded into the

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back however when i first started

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as i am with board games i like to know

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the constraints so i would read

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you know instead of

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of mice and men before going to bed it

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would be

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the player's handbook uh so i like to

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read you know i've read that back

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back to back uh at least once because

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that's i'm like i need to know

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everything

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so i can craft the thing i want to craft

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and know

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what it is i can do so i have the

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benefit in this instance of having an

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obsessive personality to be like i read

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everything

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and

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the other thing i wanted to mention

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and this is behind the screen a little

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bit for yourself is

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okay let me not try and not leave the

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witness too much but i want to talk

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about digital

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services i'm in trouble

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yes i'm afraid um

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some people here for me danielle i've

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got to go

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the intervention is not spending enough

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time with your friends that's it

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um

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was

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yeah so digital services so

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you know we we

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use and i use dnd beyond there are other

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components out there and obviously

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there's physical versions

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but this is a discussion i've had with

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other

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players in our game

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but

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how have you felt

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from basically doing the majority of

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learning and playing through a digital

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interface

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well it's

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fascinating that you bought that up as

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one of your questions it's one of the

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bits i wanted to cover

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so

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i think in creating my first character i

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did it solely on beyond you know you

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gave us all the links and the the other

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parts and and all that gum that you gave

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us

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and i thought you know that's where i

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need to be spending all my times on

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beyond so

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you know first load and beyond up

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overwhelming there was you know i didn't

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even know the difference between home

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brew or

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could you like on the first page it says

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it's a homebrew character i don't know

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why can i add different types of things

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surely that's beyond job

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but eventually you know stumbled through

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it and come to like the standard array

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side of things or

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point by and things like that

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and it did feel like a huge effort to

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get to the

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my character i kind of wanted just to be

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able to like click his arms on click a

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sword on and be like boom there he is

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and there's me writing his backstory for

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his brother that got lost 10 years ago

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then i bought the players handbook

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and read

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foolishly unlike you but cover the cover

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i read what was specific to the

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character that i had made so it was very

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niche and of course i then missed parts

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because

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i didn't read the melee section on

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combat because i was a spellcaster for

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everyone listening

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i created for my first character a total

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sorcerer

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um

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and thought oh that looks reasonably

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reasonably good

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you know neglecting standard things like

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um totals

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uh predominantly good for strength and

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wisdom of since found out download not

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charisma

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also didn't help that i made this

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recluse who had been alone for a hundred

533
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years and his main stat was charisma and

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he didn't want to talk to anyone

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so

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those sorts of things aren't guided

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through any of the textbooks they give

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you

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and now that i've got a bit of an

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understanding the the player's handbag

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and beyond are brilliant because

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i know that it's

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as it's written that's how it is there

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is no ambiguity and if there is it's

545
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deliberate and things like that so but

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as a new player coming in i thought

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there was a lot going on here

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so beyond i think is brilliant and

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that's where i point people who ask me

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now i'll go go to beyond and use it if

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you need any help let me know

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the one i'm finding difficulty with is

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foundry okay um so we use that for the

554
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map side of it it's brilliant

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um i don't like the fact that we've got

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two ways of tracking

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health and dice rolls and other things

558
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because when it took me so long to get

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up to speed with beyond and be

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comfortable using it

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the

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foundry come along super cool for the

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maps and the work that goes in there is

564
00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,720
is excellent but

565
00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,559
the management side of things you know

566
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,120
whilst i'm listening to everyone's roles

567
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:04,720
uh sorry their turns in in battle i'm

568
00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:06,320
then thinking about what i can do and

569
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,880
then i'm oh someone's taking damage

570
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,400
they've now moved and all the while i'm

571
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,080
thinking where am i next going to do my

572
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,520
dice rolls can download see them can

573
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,880
everyone see them

574
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,360
so i think that does need to be a good

575
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,480
unified platform if there is such a

576
00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,960
thing

577
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,320
well i mean there are ways to do it but

578
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,880
i

579
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,320
don't care but i

580
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,400
if none of them wanted character sheets

581
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,760
to be in foundry that would be fine

582
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,360
because it's

583
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,720
i don't need that information you guys

584
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,919
it's your sheets as your sheets like if

585
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,520
you were playing with physical sheets

586
00:19:33,919 --> 00:19:36,960
that would be fine as well the only

587
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,200
thing is we kind of like the other

588
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,720
players like to see your hp because it

589
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,400
cuts out the how are you looking

590
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,480
question which is just kind of awkward

591
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,080
for everybody involved so out of

592
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,240
everything i think having to update your

593
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,240
hp in two places is probably the best

594
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,480
we're gonna get away with um yeah but

595
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,160
bear in mind when i'm running six

596
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,039
monsters like i was the other night

597
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,720
that's

598
00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:58,559
six tabs on beyond and the one on

599
00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,320
foundry and shifting between those two

600
00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:03,520
to manage abilities and spells and all

601
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:05,039
that kind of stuff so just shut up stop

602
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,760
stop crying

603
00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:08,960
ian sat there chuckling like this is why

604
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,400
i don't use it

605
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,320
um but interestingly but as uh with my

606
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,679
newest character so i've introduced

607
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,480
theron which is

608
00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:18,720
uh

609
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,840
my total sorcerer who unfortunately met

610
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:24,640
his demise a couple of sessions ago

611
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:27,039
uh my latest character is a dragonborn

612
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,919
uh paladin who although i've created him

613
00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:29,440
on

614
00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:30,880
beyond i've actually printed his sheets

615
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,559
off and i find that much easier i use

616
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,640
that in our last session because all the

617
00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:36,799
information is there what i've found

618
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,880
that i've not panicked that's just too

619
00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:41,679
much of a strong word but when it comes

620
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,960
to my turn i'm flicking between tabs all

621
00:20:41,679 --> 00:20:44,720
the time and i'm trying to do stuff and

622
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,320
then i've kind of missed you going oh

623
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,799
matt you're up next i'm like okay and

624
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,559
i'm juggling whereas with the sheets you

625
00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,159
just stand master over the top of them

626
00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:54,480
and go okay i might make a little mark

627
00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:56,960
here and there if i want to do this move

628
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,600
but it is a lot easier to use

629
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,760
pen and paper sometimes that i love that

630
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,360
you think that because the reason why i

631
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,280
asked that question

632
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,799
is because

633
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,720
a difference between your experience and

634
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:11,039
my experience as a new player and for

635
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,360
everybody listening i started as a

636
00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:14,840
player my first four or five sessions

637
00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:18,080
where as a player with a friend

638
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,919
dming uh a was built completely level

639
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,080
three rogue human rogue

640
00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:24,559
from the ground up with pen and paper

641
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,760
character sheet no digital help at all

642
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:27,840
and that was

643
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,280
a laborious effort

644
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,720
however

645
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,000
it teaches you

646
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,200
a lot

647
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,720
of how everything fits together

648
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,320
because

649
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,559
beyond other digital services do the

650
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,159
maths behind the scenes which is great

651
00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:44,080
and a time saver

652
00:21:42,159 --> 00:21:46,000
what you pay is kind of an understanding

653
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,840
of how that works together for a new for

654
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,080
a new player so like if i asked you

655
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,840
maybe now you'd know but maybe a year

656
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,400
ago if i said where's your plus six to

657
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,280
hit with your scorching ray come from

658
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,120
yeah

659
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,120
you probably would have been like i i

660
00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:01,280
don't know it's just plastics beyond

661
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,280
yeah

662
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,799
whereas once you when you have you have

663
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,640
to work out when you're making the

664
00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:10,480
character sheet from scratch manually

665
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,559
you have to work out that plus six and

666
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,280
what's it's a function of two other

667
00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:17,520
modifiers yeah they get added together

668
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,960
um so building it like that

669
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,880
is

670
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,760
very good of a learning experience so

671
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,880
now you've just told me that you're

672
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,400
using a paper sheet what i would

673
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,720
actually recommend to you

674
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,960
is you should try and build

675
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,280
your new paladin dragonborn

676
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,640
from scratch to try and match what

677
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,159
beyond has given you

678
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,919
to see if there's any difficulties and

679
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:37,200
see where you've made any mistakes

680
00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:39,360
because even when you said where you get

681
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,400
that plus six from i'm like yep

682
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,200
excellent

683
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,080
um

684
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000
because

685
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,000
you know well i hope you saw from the

686
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,960
backstory that i wrote separately to

687
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,360
beyond

688
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,120
i know my character inside out from an

689
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,960
rp point of view

690
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,480
and i've done a lot of reading to try

691
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,360
and understand him from a stat point of

692
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,039
view and

693
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:58,159
that side of things but yeah no i think

694
00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:59,600
that's going to be a good little

695
00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:02,080
exercise to do to

696
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,760
try i'm going to get it way wrong but

697
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,080
yeah and you will like you will do it's

698
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,919
so so easy to get wrong but that's

699
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,000
obviously as you we were talking about

700
00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:11,520
earlier on like it's easy to learning

701
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,760
from mistakes is

702
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,559
is one-on-one of growing as a human

703
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,159
being so like that's i mean i made a

704
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,440
shitload of mistakes making my rogue and

705
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:21,039
it wasn't until like two sessions in i

706
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,960
was like oh okay

707
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:24,400
carry the one but if i'd done that and

708
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,280
then i get that and then so it's

709
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,120
actually 4d6 right okay now i know going

710
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,039
forward which is why when you ask me

711
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:32,640
when we're playing

712
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,600
doesn't you know doesn't reuter the

713
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,799
rogue in the campaign doesn't he get

714
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,280
sneak attack and i'm like yeah that's

715
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:39,200
probably 5d6 and it's because i've had

716
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,039
to build a rogue in the past and i've

717
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,960
had to know i kind of broadly know the

718
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:44,880
scaling because i've had to work out

719
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,640
what the scaling is because

720
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,880
because

721
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:52,640
you bet like it gets rid of even at

722
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,840
level three it's it takes a long time to

723
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,200
make sure that

724
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,640
if that's the tick there then you get

725
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,640
that and that's for a simple character

726
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,159
as soon as you get like barred jack of

727
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,400
all trades which is half your

728
00:24:00,159 --> 00:24:05,679
proficiency bonus to all your abilities

729
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,200
yeah then you're like okay and then when

730
00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:08,400
you level up and your proficiency bonus

731
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,480
changes you have to change all your

732
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,200
ability modifiers yeah

733
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,120
that's so i would recommend

734
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,279
that exercise i just said but also maybe

735
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:19,360
for your first character do

736
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,320
doing it manually because it just taught

737
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:23,520
me

738
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,480
so much that now now i use beyond

739
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,480
for

740
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,000
the convenience store the time saving

741
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,840
yeah the elements of it and having the

742
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,159
spells as tooltips and not having to be

743
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,520
like to manually work out the maths i

744
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:34,720
think that's definitely what's missing

745
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,600
in my

746
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,200
to to solidify my confidence in the game

747
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,360
because at the moment what i'm doing is

748
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,679
i'm over compensating by

749
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:45,279
writing down you know planned moves and

750
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:48,320
like i can do this i can do that but

751
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:50,400
even when i do those sorts of things

752
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,640
i'm missing diverse certain dice rolls

753
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,960
because like this week when i wrote down

754
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,080
a list of bits i missed the extra 2d6

755
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,080
because my

756
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,799
flame sword was on fire

757
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,679
i missed that whereas like you just said

758
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,799
when you're going through and you're

759
00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:04,400
writing it down you're building those

760
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,159
stats you won't miss it once you've

761
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,159
added it a hundred times together loads

762
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:10,559
of different places well it's even it's

763
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:12,400
it's even even the cla like you boil it

764
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:14,720
all down and it's that classic learning

765
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,880
rhetoric of when you write something

766
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,440
down you remember it better yeah so just

767
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:22,960
purely the fact of writing plus one

768
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,320
flame tongue long sword equals plus 2d6

769
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,840
on my character you're just doing that

770
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,440
once and even if you don't play for

771
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,640
another two weeks you will be more

772
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,960
likely to remember that than just

773
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,200
clicking oh that blue sword looks good

774
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,559
and then you've forgotten about it

775
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,159
it's the number of times i've forgotten

776
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,960
about all the extra bits that come along

777
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:38,880
with

778
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,200
you know dnd not just you know your

779
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,159
immediate swords and spells and things

780
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,919
but the fact that you got like a

781
00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:46,000
traveler's pack or you know adventurous

782
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:47,120
pack and things i always forget about

783
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,200
those things because they were just

784
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,880
which one do you want uh both travellers

785
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,919
back that'll do yeah exactly all those

786
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,600
little bits they're lost on me um yeah

787
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:58,080
try not to this time i've got a little

788
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,760
spicy thing that i added in to try and

789
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,960
build in some better communication with

790
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,320
the group which

791
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,559
i hope will work

792
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,799
[Laughter]

793
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,720
yeah well and again like when you're

794
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,039
another not to

795
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,679
you know be a dead horse but um a

796
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:16,400
simultaneous drawback and

797
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:18,080
advantage of the phb

798
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,159
is that everything is laid out all over

799
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,640
the shop like literally

800
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:25,120
you need page five you need page 25 you

801
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,440
need page 105 and 205 to build a

802
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,880
character so you're like the whole book

803
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,240
is necessary to build a character which

804
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,400
is kind of

805
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,480
shitty design but conversely that

806
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,760
actually helps because you're flicking

807
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,600
backwards and forwards so much you're

808
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,559
kind of getting you get a feel for it so

809
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,400
like that adventure pack stuff is not

810
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:43,919
kind of not really near character well

811
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,919
you might be making

812
00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:47,520
like a barbarian

813
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:48,799
gnome or something but then the

814
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,200
equipment stuff isn't till right at the

815
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:53,760
end of the races and classes that's like

816
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,120
way down 50 pages 50 pages later so

817
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,120
you're going backwards and forwards oh

818
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:59,279
there's the one paragraph on adventurous

819
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,080
pack but what else is on this page yeah

820
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,880
there's

821
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,320
oh how do i get oh okay i see i can get

822
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,240
these other things here maybe at some

823
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,919
other time and then as i flick through

824
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,640
i'm flicking through when i land on the

825
00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:13,679
elf page and i go oh maybe elf is

826
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,039
better for me so i yeah just the sake of

827
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:16,640
having to flip through that book a

828
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:19,600
hundred times which is why the spine is

829
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,120
completely [ __ ] on my book because

830
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,600
it just gives out at some point because

831
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:26,640
like yeah you just you're going from the

832
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,840
extremes all the time i started huffing

833
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,760
the amount of times i was flipping

834
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,720
between for those wanting to do paladin

835
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,480
dragonborns 32 and 82 of your pages the

836
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,480
amount of time i was like man and now i

837
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,200
need to flick off

838
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,120
but

839
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,799
even that exercise got

840
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,200
got me a better understanding of how i'm

841
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,960
building my character compared to the

842
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:49,200
beyond side of things

843
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:51,520
mm-hmm yeah yeah i i and i remember my

844
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,279
elf rogue and i'd love to to pick him up

845
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,640
again at some point maximum

846
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:59,120
maximilian de la rouge rouge being a

847
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,880
joke on the common misspelling of rogue

848
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:03,279
of course

849
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,279
listen up everyone these are these are

850
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,799
little nuggets that i get in every one

851
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,919
of my campaigns

852
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,600
or every one of the sessions of the

853
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:11,120
campaign sorry you've got to be on your

854
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,720
toes constantly because that little just

855
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,480
start chuckling you're like i've missed

856
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,120
something here it's is it the way it's

857
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,120
name spell

858
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:22,130
[Laughter]

859
00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:22,130
[Music]

860
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:36,080
[Music]

861
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,240
you know i remember him the sheets i

862
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,679
think of long gone um

863
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,320
because that campaign that game ended

864
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:45,039
and whatnot but um i would love to to

865
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,039
pick him up at some point so yeah that

866
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:49,440
was one thing i wanted to mention is

867
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:51,520
that that experience of of dnd if you

868
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,480
ask ian who was on the experience

869
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,240
episode

870
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,279
that yeah he will agree and that like

871
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,360
you do

872
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:58,799
you just lose context doing it in

873
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,720
isolation because there they are as you

874
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:03,279
said like binary choices like explorers

875
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,720
pack or priests kit okay

876
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,440
i don't want to be a lame priest so i

877
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,760
guess i'll be an explorer click but you

878
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,279
get different stuff that although it

879
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,399
doesn't give you a plus one anywhere it

880
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,159
does

881
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:15,840
could drastically change the outcome

882
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:17,600
yeah yeah it could change the outcome of

883
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,080
an encounter because some not all packs

884
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,520
have crowbars in for example or pythons

885
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,039
for climbing so

886
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,360
i've gotta read the players handbooks

887
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,360
you get a crowbar

888
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,279
yes

889
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,799
it's all this stuff my character's just

890
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,399
lugging around with him the whole time

891
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:35,520
it's just like i don't ever bother with

892
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:36,880
any of that i've got spells

893
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,600
that's why bag of holdings are great

894
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,039
because

895
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640
ah spung everything in there and forget

896
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:42,480
about it probably my favorite thing to

897
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,760
come out of dd so far is how do i create

898
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,760
a real world version of that

899
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,039
i think it's called the loft because

900
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,840
that's where all my [ __ ] goes up and

901
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:53,440
disappears and i never touch again there

902
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,679
but i was putting bodies in there down

903
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,440
low nobody's in the loft

904
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:59,310
no but that works for bagger holding too

905
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,619
so yeah

906
00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:02,619
[Music]

907
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:11,919
[Music]

908
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,399
so i wanted to ask then as

909
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:17,200
a completely virgin player from not only

910
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:19,919
d d but also to tt rpgs in general and

911
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,960
yes uh you you said earlier on you are

912
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:24,000
familiar with

913
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,840
the rpgs the video game sure bgrpg's

914
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,159
like final fantasy or not but apart from

915
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,799
that which i think is self evident the

916
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:32,960
difference between the two what

917
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:34,840
have you enjoyed most

918
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,360
and

919
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,720
what have you know what have you learned

920
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,039
and do you have any other tips for any

921
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,039
new players now i'm

922
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,799
for better or for worse

923
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:46,720
jaded by

924
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,880
dming for

925
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,559
three years give or take

926
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,720
and obviously that changes my

927
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,840
perspective on things and you know i

928
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,679
played

929
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,919
other games before this one and loads of

930
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:59,760
ball games of like rpg elements and blah

931
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:00,720
blah blah blah blah but for you i want

932
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,880
to get that

933
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,080
really distilled

934
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,120
thoughts and experiences from oof

935
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,200
deep

936
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:13,679
welcome to the meaningful hour um

937
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,640
it it has been massive um i think the

938
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:17,519
biggest thing that i've taken from dnd

939
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,279
is

940
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,919
to stop taking everything so seriously

941
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,600
in life you know when we when i started

942
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:25,919
playing i was just taking on some

943
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,760
massive projects you know working with

944
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:30,799
the likes of the mod and things like

945
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:33,120
that and in those meetings i was acting

946
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:35,120
i wasn't mad at all i was this you know

947
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,679
i was trying to be oh look at me i can

948
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,440
say skills matrix 100 times in a meeting

949
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:41,679
and pretend to know what it's about

950
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,960
but then i felt out of place sitting

951
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:45,039
down with friends

952
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,360
trying to have a laugh and tell a story

953
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:50,640
because that's what i try to tell people

954
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,159
when they say oh you play dnd i go yeah

955
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,000
actually can you remember when you last

956
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:55,600
had fun doing

957
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,200
make belief with your friends when you

958
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,200
were little and you didn't have a care

959
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,720
in the world it brings those bits back

960
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,880
from your childhood

961
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,279
and i recommend it wholeheartedly to

962
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,720
everyone to drop the disguise of being

963
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:10,799
an adult it's boring and put on

964
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,600
a fat turtle suit

965
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,799
and pretend to hurt people with magic

966
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,200
it's

967
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:19,200
just the best feeling in the world um

968
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,919
and what i didn't realize would come

969
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,080
from it is this attachment to people and

970
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:26,159
characters that you you build into the

971
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,720
story because i thought this is danalo's

972
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:30,960
thing and we're gonna do it for him or

973
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,159
along with him but then all of a sudden

974
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,960
i had this character that i was like oh

975
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:36,640
this is mine and i can do pretty much

976
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,880
anything i'd like with him

977
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,399
which went down the route that i kind of

978
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,880
didn't want it to

979
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:45,600
eventually um i think you've touched on

980
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:48,880
it before my character

981
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:51,919
was involved in an incident that

982
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,519
caused another player's character to no

983
00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:54,399
longer play

984
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,840
you know

985
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:58,320
are you in a project management meeting

986
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,159
to the mod again is that the political

987
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,880
answers you're giving me right now

988
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:05,360
ian i'm sorry all right on record i'm

989
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,240
sorry i killed grishnack okay

990
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,600
um

991
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,840
it didn't happen the way that i wanted

992
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,000
it to i was trying to do something and

993
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,200
it didn't work but i was torn between

994
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,960
the whole

995
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,799
this is what my character would do kind

996
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,960
of vibe and

997
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,000
i want to do something with my character

998
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,720
because

999
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,799
hey it's we're not sitting down to play

1000
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,960
the most optimal game and if we were

1001
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,320
that would drive everyone nuts

1002
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,760
so yeah being

1003
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,799
you know you can almost be yourself

1004
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,720
through the lives of these other

1005
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,799
characters and stuff and it's

1006
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,240
it just brought home personally i was

1007
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,360
going through a lot of rough stuff

1008
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,799
mentally

1009
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,159
and dnd was a an excellent way out so

1010
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,440
that's probably the biggest thing i've

1011
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:45,519
taken from it

1012
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,399
hmm oh that's that that's what you've

1013
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,840
just described is very

1014
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:51,519
nice to hear

1015
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,679
from a as i said that quote-unquote

1016
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:55,600
jaded dm's perspective it's sometimes

1017
00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:58,080
hard to see the wood for the trees and

1018
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,960
it's very much like just a churn i need

1019
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,720
to

1020
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,240
you know you know hand to mouth like i'm

1021
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,399
making stuff i'm making stuff and making

1022
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,519
stuff that i need to consume and it's

1023
00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:09,280
it's very easy just to lose sight

1024
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,800
of the real reason that you know people

1025
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:15,679
are playing and it is that just like i

1026
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,159
want to forget about life for four hours

1027
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,000
and have pizza and

1028
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,320
you know be disconnected and just turn

1029
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,240
my brain off and and have fun

1030
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,679
which must be nice because i'm sitting

1031
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:29,339
there running at like 200 percent

1032
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,339
[Laughter]

1033
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:33,599
yeah

1034
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,679
i'll be honest i do miss the social so

1035
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:39,119
as you mentioned when we did it all

1036
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,800
together that was the absolute peak of

1037
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,560
the enjoyment of it all

1038
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,000
we were all getting around that massive

1039
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,000
table we were fortunate enough that one

1040
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,720
of our friends was hosting it in his in

1041
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,720
his uh conservatory had a huge

1042
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:51,919
eight-seater ten-seater table so we

1043
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:55,119
could all just get around it with

1044
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:57,359
laptops and dice and sheets everywhere

1045
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:59,920
and as a new player i was like this is

1046
00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:02,800
exactly how i imagined it except we're

1047
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:05,119
upstairs not in a basement and

1048
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,680
i was playing d d whereas over the zoom

1049
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:10,000
side of it although we do very well now

1050
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,720
we're into the swing of it at first it

1051
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,200
felt very isolated and

1052
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,640
he had to overcome a new a whole new

1053
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,960
part of feeling silly because i was

1054
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,520
playing in front of my family now but

1055
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,359
daddy's gonna go do a terrible voice of

1056
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,960
a turtle hello

1057
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:26,960
and they're like why are you

1058
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,400
talking like that dad please go to bed

1059
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,480
daddy's doing some very serious stuff

1060
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,640
with his friends

1061
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,990
i've got the mod on the line uh do you

1062
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,079
mind

1063
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:38,640
[Laughter]

1064
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:40,320
uh magic missile uh again please down

1065
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,880
the line yes we're hearing a magic

1066
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,320
missile strike is out there

1067
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,400
we've gone wait we've swung way too into

1068
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,599
politics like within the

1069
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,280
blink quick quick i bought

1070
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,920
i literally bit my tongue to not say

1071
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,280
anything further the second you said

1072
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,960
do you know what actually let's screw

1073
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,900
the whole whole d d bit i'm actually

1074
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,720
quite annoyed at the minute

1075
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:04,400
[Laughter]

1076
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,400
no i'm pulling that ripcord map

1077
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:09,599
[Music]

1078
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,520
music over the top of me yeah yeah just

1079
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:13,119
joining me this week matt anyway yeah

1080
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,260
anyway he can't say hey he's not here

1081
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,480
anymore to say goodbye

1082
00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:17,599
[Laughter]

1083
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,760
no i mean

1084
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,680
i'm very fortunate that i only have one

1085
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,240
other human that lives in by my house

1086
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,599
with me and her patients

1087
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,760
actually no i was going to say her

1088
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,440
patience is endless this is recorded

1089
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,599
this is recorded

1090
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,520
her patience is fantastic

1091
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:36,480
it is honest but actually her

1092
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,400
expectations are so low that i could be

1093
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,960
ah running around naked talking

1094
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,800
gobbledygook you guys which happens not

1095
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,560
the naked part but doing gobby dude for

1096
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,240
you guys happens quite often that she's

1097
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,680
she's walking around like his complete

1098
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,040
business as usual outside i see him

1099
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,160
landing wandering around out there and

1100
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,240
i'm there like

1101
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,920
liberty flop scooby bob you see the

1102
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,760
screams of dying angels in your ears and

1103
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,520
she's just like

1104
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,680
making dinner or something like this

1105
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,760
just picture when she goes to like

1106
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,000
friends houses and stuff to be like oh

1107
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,480
yeah how's your partner

1108
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,400
the normal screaming in his bedroom with

1109
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,560
his friends dressed up as elves and

1110
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,839
they're just looking at her

1111
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,839
do you want to drop some help

1112
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,480
but no i that ties in nicely to

1113
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,160
bringing in the newer players and you

1114
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,680
mentioned when we first started playing

1115
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,320
both in the session zero and when we

1116
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,920
were around that big table is i went out

1117
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,640
of my way

1118
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,640
to have the ears in fact an xp might not

1119
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,800
know this but an explicit objective of

1120
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,680
mine in that session zero

1121
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,880
was

1122
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,880
to act

1123
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,760
probably over act

1124
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,359
for that exact reason of being like

1125
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,440
this is this is

1126
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:47,839
like let me remove the boundaries for

1127
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,960
you because i'm already being an idiot

1128
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:50,880
so yeah

1129
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000
and i'm you're you're here for me so if

1130
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,599
you eat on mine being an idiot then

1131
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,160
you'll got free reign to do whatever you

1132
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,599
want that was my intent purpose there to

1133
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,800
be like i've got these

1134
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:03,440
these 20p elf ears from wish to look

1135
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,599
like an idiot for half an hour like that

1136
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,079
are kind of painful to wear which means

1137
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:09,520
that anything it goes basically that's

1138
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,040
that's my

1139
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,040
reasoning behind it and it was for that

1140
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,960
exact reason of trying to break down

1141
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,320
those walls of

1142
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,560
you know apprehension and

1143
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,040
self-consciousness which

1144
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,640
i i've we're very fortunate to have had

1145
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,480
a dm like yourself there are going to be

1146
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,839
a lot of people going into dnd for the

1147
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,599
first time

1148
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:29,599
that won't have that so you know someone

1149
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,960
has consider it as i've got a room full

1150
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,960
of

1151
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,400
late 20 early 30-somethings i've never

1152
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,440
played this before

1153
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,040
and you think through that um because i

1154
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,680
could imagine not having

1155
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,920
been guided like you provided for us

1156
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,119
people could walk away and be like

1157
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,800
exactly what i thought this definitely

1158
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,599
isn't for me i don't want to feel like

1159
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,720
that

1160
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,560
again

1161
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,880
i remember as we left and got in the car

1162
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,800
we were in fits of hysterics but

1163
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,079
not it was almost like a relief like

1164
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,720
dantelo

1165
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:02,000
is that was brilliant never in a million

1166
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,839
years do we think that was going to

1167
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,680
happen so yeah and then

1168
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:07,440
that was all broken down

1169
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,880
and i want other players to experience

1170
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,800
that and

1171
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,320
not feel all the apprehension stuff that

1172
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,560
sits behind

1173
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,640
basically acting you know you're yes

1174
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,079
you're an actor at a table you think

1175
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,000
i was really nervous at school getting

1176
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:21,200
up on stage to do acting and i was like

1177
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,359
i'm not going to sit and do a voice but

1178
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,640
the second you did a voice was like

1179
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:26,320
sit in the mirror for a bit and try and

1180
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,680
figure out the voice of somebody else

1181
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,000
and

1182
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,680
come on my little weird voice i'll

1183
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,599
hold forever i think

1184
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,240
so listeners will know their sonic day

1185
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:38,160
but you don't matt in that when i was

1186
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:40,160
riding my motorcycle tuned from the work

1187
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,960
that we used to share

1188
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,040
i would practice voices

1189
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,440
because i was you know in isolation in

1190
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,920
my helmet going down the motorway no one

1191
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,359
can hear i'm on my own that i would

1192
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,560
i would practice

1193
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:54,560
to and from

1194
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,280
work fantastic

1195
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,720
see

1196
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,119
i don't in the shower or when i'm

1197
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,640
driving and yes as i was driving back

1198
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,000
from work because i realized i submitted

1199
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,800
all my new character sheets to you for

1200
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,560
this uh for my new character

1201
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,240
i was trying to say his name because uh

1202
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,599
dracodandian is his clan name and i kept

1203
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,880
getting it wrong and i was like well

1204
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,000
just practice it like you did with all

1205
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,800
your big words that you've learned in

1206
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,680
life

1207
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,440
and then

1208
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,280
i was doing it in theron's voice and i

1209
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,960
was like matt you need a new voice how

1210
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,880
do i come up with something again that

1211
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,880
i'm so comfortable now doing theron's

1212
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,640
voice and the kids know and everything

1213
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,160
else and i think i'll put it in the text

1214
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,920
to you where i was like the best you've

1215
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,160
got is therin mixed with david

1216
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,079
attenborough and that's he's slightly

1217
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,640
posher a little bit more upbeat but

1218
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,560
that's as far as i can get it i can't

1219
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,480
ask for anything more

1220
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,359
that's perfect

1221
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,079
[Laughter]

1222
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:44,000
but

1223
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,920
that whole having to invent new things

1224
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,880
again brought out

1225
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,800
all the excitement again of you know

1226
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,000
the early days of i've got absolutely no

1227
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,520
idea what i'm doing here but this time

1228
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,680
around i had all that experience and

1229
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,960
guidance from you the players handbook

1230
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,560
the wonderful people of youtube

1231
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,599
and yeah i found that this time around

1232
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,319
even more enjoyable creating a character

1233
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:07,760
there is a reason why there's a meme of

1234
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:10,880
people having

1235
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,720
200 unused character sheets because like

1236
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,079
people it's that is one of the more

1237
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,160
exciting things

1238
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:18,319
for a lot of people is is is doing that

1239
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,960
process that you've just gone through

1240
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:23,280
at the dm and the game that i play in he

1241
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,200
has literally i've seen his sheets he

1242
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,040
was scrolling through trying to find one

1243
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,319
and it is in the hundreds

1244
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,599
i was like well you're really making use

1245
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:31,599
of that unlimited character sheet

1246
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,079
huh

1247
00:41:32,839 --> 00:41:39,200
cool i um i did a

1248
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,480
excel sheet in the early days of what

1249
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,280
the races i would like to play what

1250
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,440
those classes are and based purely on

1251
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,680
that what you know i like the word

1252
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,040
wizard that sounds cool i also like

1253
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,440
human i'll put those two together there

1254
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,599
was no stats that sat behind it

1255
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560
there was a monk that oh even this time

1256
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,640
around when i went back through that

1257
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,760
list i thought nope that looks far too

1258
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,720
complex

1259
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,800
um

1260
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,880
there was a

1261
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,359
i like the idea of playing a tiefling a

1262
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,040
female tiefling but i'm not quite ready

1263
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:09,280
for that yet i think that'll be the next

1264
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,440
character that i'll develop into which

1265
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,960
is why there was a huge relief when this

1266
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,760
time around we have a female in the

1267
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,480
party i was like dude whoa

1268
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,480
that's huge

1269
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,280
but yeah and i think i'm going to be

1270
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,800
progressing

1271
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,560
down that road of

1272
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,400
hopefully playing a female character in

1273
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,280
the next part yeah which would be

1274
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,240
awesome

1275
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,359
yes

1276
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,920
well you have to wait for this one to

1277
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:33,200
die which may or may not happen that was

1278
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,800
really close by the way in that first

1279
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,640
session back uh

1280
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,400
i made loads of errors on my turns a

1281
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,880
couple of people dropped down to oh

1282
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,400
danielle was going full throttle eh his

1283
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,240
first session back in the new year he's

1284
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,240
like okay let's see how good those

1285
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:48,400
characters you've just made are

1286
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,839
well you know i knew everyone was hungry

1287
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,520
we haven't played for ages everyone

1288
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:53,359
wants to try out their shiny new toys

1289
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,560
it's just like christmas right you you

1290
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:56,079
get you know you just go you've just

1291
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,160
unwrapped your playstation 2 you want to

1292
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:00,160
get that [ __ ] under the telly as soon as

1293
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,960
possible like you don't want to that's

1294
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,800
it

1295
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,040
get it plugged in get it going and when

1296
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,560
you did that lead intro bit for for the

1297
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,720
characters he you know stood at the

1298
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,640
doorway and he walked in i'd practice

1299
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,000
the line that i wanted to do over and

1300
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,000
over and over and it's supposed to come

1301
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,160
in like really deep like i am dragon

1302
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,240
dandy and rogar and when you did it you

1303
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,079
went and action matt go i was like oh hi

1304
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,760
i'm i'm a dragon porn chap you're right

1305
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,599
guys

1306
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,960
i couldn't get my voice in but because

1307
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,200
it just switched over to me i was like

1308
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,560
oh it's i've we've gone with it now

1309
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,560
i have to accept that forever

1310
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,880
if it makes you feel any better

1311
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,200
simon who plays in the game that i play

1312
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,280
in and it was on one episode again back

1313
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,359
in season one i think it's a running

1314
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,839
joke in our campaign with him

1315
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:45,200
that his voice i think changed three

1316
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,960
sessions in a row because he wasn't

1317
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,200
happy with it so he did like a sean

1318
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,920
connery one and we're like okay

1319
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,520
there's a lot there okay uh but fine

1320
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,720
but then because it was

1321
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,560
it was so

1322
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:58,560
like we couldn't help but laugh because

1323
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,760
it's he does it really well as well so

1324
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,200
it's like you can't

1325
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,119
but this is a bit now this isn't the

1326
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,400
character voices it's just a big really

1327
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,319
long bit

1328
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,440
for the rest of the campaign seems like

1329
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:08,560
yeah i'm gonna wind that down a little

1330
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,160
bit because it's people can't

1331
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,160
concentrate

1332
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,240
so he changed another one and then we

1333
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,960
did the whole fourth wall like why are

1334
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,720
you talking different now like

1335
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,160
literally we went to bed and woke up and

1336
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:23,520
now you're not scottish anymore

1337
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,200
but obviously like you know that's a bit

1338
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,160
of a light engagement yeah they wouldn't

1339
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,480
really do that because you kind of

1340
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,839
reckoned it and stuff but like that like

1341
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,240
people change their voices

1342
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:34,160
all the time even and then we're midway

1343
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,119
through the campaign and uh it will

1344
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,599
change

1345
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:39,760
and that's just that's so good but the

1346
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:41,520
the benefit of being a dm of course is

1347
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,640
the npcs that you might not see that

1348
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,760
frequently

1349
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,599
i don't really have to remember their

1350
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,599
voice because if i can't remember the

1351
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,599
players definitely can't remember so

1352
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,920
certainly i'm remembering the key one is

1353
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,800
still still on point yeah yeah but i

1354
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,200
started thinking like oh you haven't

1355
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,040
seen like the major npc you saw like the

1356
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,560
don last time i was like they haven't

1357
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,960
seen him for ages

1358
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,960
i'll just default to one that was

1359
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
swedish

1360
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,800
norwegians

1361
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,440
communicate what i needed to communicate

1362
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,200
and uh yeah that's that's the little dm

1363
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,800
trick is uh just leave it ages before

1364
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,660
you see npcs and then you can just make

1365
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:21,660
whatever voice you want for them

1366
00:45:17,660 --> 00:45:21,660
[Laughter]

1367
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,359
just quickly for a little tangent i'm

1368
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,000
also new to um

1369
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:32,160
voiceovers the the those apps the voice

1370
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,800
changing apps yeah tried a couple of

1371
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,480
them one of them just broke all my audio

1372
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,040
drivers that's why for this i had to

1373
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,800
reinstall my audio drivers i was like ah

1374
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,920
it saw the program that overwrote a load

1375
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,920
of stuff

1376
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,520
so that was a pain and i didn't end up

1377
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,599
using it anyway

1378
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,960
yeah it's weird again we're going to

1379
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,400
digress a little bit here for everybody

1380
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,560
at home but um

1381
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,640
something that you'd think would be

1382
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,839
everywhere like

1383
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,040
you know if you want if you want to talk

1384
00:45:55,839 --> 00:46:00,079
like we're talking now with cameras

1385
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,599
you've got you google online chat or

1386
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,560
something and they'll be yeah at seven

1387
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:04,960
million

1388
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,839
zoom teamspeak discord

1389
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,280
microsoft teams skype skype for business

1390
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:10,560
and then probably about 50 others that

1391
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,480
i'm not aware of

1392
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,119
google meets another one off the top of

1393
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,400
my head um other platforms are available

1394
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:17,440
uh yeah of course your

1395
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,400
your voip

1396
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,800
video platform of choice of course uh

1397
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,040
and uh but the moment you search like

1398
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,200
voice changer you're like immediately

1399
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:31,040
into the murky territory of like

1400
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:33,359
download this file wink it's totally not

1401
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,920
going to break your computer

1402
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:38,160
or like and it does

1403
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,119
here's a voice changer that'll be 300

1404
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,079
somewhat

1405
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,200
what

1406
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,480
yeah

1407
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,599
i just want to sound a little bit cool

1408
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,160
for people because that'd be a really

1409
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,680
cool surprise for everyone but no yeah

1410
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,880
broke my audio drivers and i went to bed

1411
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,960
in a sulk

1412
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,079
i that is a pain i have felt myself in

1413
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,520
the past so yeah that i for some reason

1414
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,880
i'm still bamboozled by that this day i

1415
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,119
found one that

1416
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,760
kind of maybe works some of the time and

1417
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:03,839
that's like okay fine i'm just gonna

1418
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,880
forget about it and either use it or it

1419
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,800
doesn't

1420
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:11,040
just pick up one of those masks from

1421
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,040
like a toy shop that does it yeah

1422
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,170
see if i can find one that roughly

1423
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:18,800
resembles a dragon

1424
00:47:17,170 --> 00:47:21,200
[Laughter]

1425
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,960
um one of the questions i asked earlier

1426
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:26,400
that we haven't got back around to yet

1427
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,119
was as a virgin new player two titty

1428
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,400
apogees what's your

1429
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,760
let me ask a

1430
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,559
couple of really interesting questions

1431
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,480
one what were you most surprised by like

1432
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:38,480
what was the most thing that was like oh

1433
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,359
i wasn't expecting i wasn't expecting

1434
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,720
that

1435
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:42,480
and then

1436
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,920
this question's on deck you're up next

1437
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,680
uh the other question is what have you

1438
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,400
enjoyed the most like what element what

1439
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,240
aspect and probably why

1440
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,800
okay so

1441
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:54,240
probably what i'm most surprised by is

1442
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,359
everyone's commitment

1443
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:58,160
to it

1444
00:47:55,359 --> 00:48:00,319
not not just our party but you know the

1445
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,839
wider community i mean even in the early

1446
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:03,200
days of your podcast when it first

1447
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:06,000
started going out

1448
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,240
a content in my opinion and others

1449
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,839
brilliant but you've gained traction in

1450
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:12,000
an audience really quickly because you

1451
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:13,359
weren't slandering people and

1452
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,359
you know you weren't talking load of

1453
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:17,839
rubbish and people were interested in it

1454
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:19,520
and people want to talk about it um the

1455
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:21,359
other things that i'm into in my

1456
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,599
personal life are quite solitary things

1457
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:26,000
that you i don't get that so i was

1458
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:27,920
surprised by this massive community that

1459
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,440
wanted to play wanted to talk about it

1460
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,440
you never felt like you couldn't ask

1461
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,599
questions and things like that

1462
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,960
which was lovely and

1463
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,200
the commitment from the guys that are at

1464
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,359
the table were our table

1465
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,440
okay we may run five minutes late

1466
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:44,160
starting and a few things here and there

1467
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,520
but every week i feel like everyone

1468
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,880
wants to play and everyone's committed

1469
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,359
to it

1470
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,599
from a more mechanical side of things

1471
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:53,599
i was surprised by

1472
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:56,000
how close

1473
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,079
we are always to die in slash winning

1474
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,599
those battles which is a credit to you

1475
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:02,480
for the balance

1476
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:05,599
but monsters are hard man

1477
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,599
dragons are hard

1478
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:09,680
weird creature that because i haven't

1479
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,359
got access to the monster handbooks

1480
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,119
cheers for making me try and buy

1481
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:15,119
everything d

1482
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,119
because i haven't got access to that

1483
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,839
you throw these crazy monsters out that

1484
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,160
are

1485
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:21,359
swallowing people and the ground starts

1486
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,920
to move a little bit oh my god it's a

1487
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:26,000
giant blob that's going to kill everyone

1488
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,160
those things constantly surprise me i

1489
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,280
just thought it was dungeons and dragons

1490
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,559
okay cool we've got some dragons there's

1491
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,559
gonna be some ogres and stuff like that

1492
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,240
but the you know the plethora of

1493
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,000
monsters and

1494
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,040
your knowledge in those monsters so you

1495
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,720
can bring

1496
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,240
maybe slightly trickier ones because

1497
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,960
we've got an extra person in the party

1498
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,040
or

1499
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,880
this situation would suit this crazy

1500
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,480
combat

1501
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,720
i'll leave some time when cat just looks

1502
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,760
at me sorry my partner cat it would be

1503
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,119
like

1504
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,040
what happened tonight you were just

1505
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:56,480
shouting the whole time i'm like babe

1506
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,480
the floor was eating people or

1507
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,400
it was a crazy session leave me alone

1508
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,119
for a bit i need to try and figure this

1509
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,720
out

1510
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:04,880
and then i'll try and plan my stuff for

1511
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:06,400
the next session like that and it's rp

1512
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,240
for three weeks which is brilliant but

1513
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,000
then i forget how to battle and then you

1514
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:13,839
come back with a dress

1515
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,880
constantly on edge um and what i enjoy

1516
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:17,839
most

1517
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,640
about what dnd in general

1518
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:22,720
yeah yeah the the experience for lack of

1519
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,119
a more defined term

1520
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,480
it will probably be the creation side of

1521
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,359
it

1522
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,800
so

1523
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:31,440
not just for me in creating my

1524
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,280
characters and those sides which

1525
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,359
is good for my

1526
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,359
my brain when i sit down and build stuff

1527
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:39,359
because i like to write stories and

1528
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:41,920
poetry

1529
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:43,839
the backstory bit is that's easy for me

1530
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,240
but also seeing the creations that you

1531
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:48,400
come up with for like the maps and

1532
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:50,079
i think we're hugely fortunate in your

1533
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,319
homebrew is this

1534
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,920
huge world that you've created and seem

1535
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:55,599
to be picking stories out left right and

1536
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,280
center more of how terry pratchett wrote

1537
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,599
his books where he built a world and

1538
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,839
then choose stories rather than

1539
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,200
building stories to make a world

1540
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:05,599
um

1541
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,640
and i i enjoy seeing you get excited

1542
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:10,400
about stuff that we will happily miss

1543
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,480
and go off in a different tangent in the

1544
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,680
game but also

1545
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,440
where other players at the table have

1546
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,119
created their characters it's

1547
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,119
i love creating stuff you guys are

1548
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:21,680
creating stuff and it's all coming

1549
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:25,040
together for us to get our face smashed

1550
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:27,040
in by the evil guy in a minute but

1551
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,319
that's lovely i you know when i was

1552
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,599
writing music

1553
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:30,960
that's what i enjoyed most about it

1554
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:33,680
wasn't necessarily the output it was

1555
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,599
that coming together of stuff yeah and

1556
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,280
being creative with other people what

1557
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:39,440
about you

1558
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,640
i know dm takes its toll

1559
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,240
yeah well here's the here's a funny

1560
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,319
thing you've answered that question

1561
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,720
unbeknownst to you with your own answers

1562
00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:48,640
there so i also love and you would also

1563
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,800
like like creating homebrew because

1564
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,920
there is one thing i do get very excited

1565
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,079
about is

1566
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,240
as i've told you guys before i have like

1567
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:58,000
my dm confidence that i'll we'll just

1568
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,119
chat for an hour and then at the end of

1569
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,960
it i'm like i've got to write all that

1570
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,800
down because we were just talking [ __ ]

1571
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,520
but there were some really good ideas in

1572
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,920
there that i really want to play and

1573
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,599
put in some kind of

1574
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,359
form that isn't just

1575
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,680
x that's why and that'll be great

1576
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:14,720
because story will happen it needs to be

1577
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,400
there needs to be a little bit more

1578
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,119
structure than just downloads whimsical

1579
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,720
idea but um yeah the creation sort of

1580
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,400
thing is very exciting and to be like oh

1581
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,559
then that could happen

1582
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,040
the tricky thing is is not as it is with

1583
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:28,880
d it's not to have too many too much

1584
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,880
plot and too much

1585
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,800
uh you know this has to happen for that

1586
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,760
then to happen so then this other thing

1587
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,559
can happen

1588
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,760
so a good example is uh the setting

1589
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,920
where we've talked about the podcast

1590
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,119
before where there was a green dragon

1591
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,200
that was

1592
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:44,079
kind of manipulating a

1593
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,680
town

1594
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,359
and in the town there was a minor civil

1595
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,359
dispute between like blue collar and

1596
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:51,119
white collar workers so i was very

1597
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:53,040
excited about that setup and all the

1598
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:55,200
little minutiae and

1599
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,559
here's the poster that the miners the

1600
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,800
blue collar workers give you to go and

1601
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:00,720
find their miners pub to learn more

1602
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,720
about them that that is super cool and

1603
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,839
super exciting and i'm very happy with

1604
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,000
how that turned out because it was a

1605
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:07,359
very good example if i do say so myself

1606
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,359
of like

1607
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:11,520
here's a bunch of stuff that's that is

1608
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:13,440
happening now

1609
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,559
what the players do is is you know

1610
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,480
stuff's going to happen whether they're

1611
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,160
there or not kind of things like that

1612
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,480
that dragon's always going to be there

1613
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,880
manipulating with their own plans

1614
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,200
this civil dispute it will end at some

1615
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,960
point in some way depending on what

1616
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,480
happens and the players can

1617
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,480
can

1618
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,079
impact that to a certain extent and

1619
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,280
that's the

1620
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,440
that's the

1621
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,359
exciting bit uh but also the tricky bit

1622
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,599
because you want to build in

1623
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:42,720
you want to build

1624
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:44,319
like story and plot a hard plot but you

1625
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,240
you yeah it'd be brothers if it was just

1626
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:47,200
a check box exercise going through yeah

1627
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,680
you've done that you've done this you've

1628
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,839
done it exactly yeah so it it's a it's a

1629
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,800
fine line as a dm to walk but the price

1630
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:54,880
of

1631
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,640
the price of having that much fun and

1632
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,640
you know character creation is one and

1633
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,119
done kind of thing the price of being

1634
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,960
able to do basically character creation

1635
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,960
every two weeks

1636
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,119
for every session always

1637
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,359
both micro macro is the combat

1638
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,720
encounters because they are

1639
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:12,240
exceptionally difficult at the best of

1640
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:15,119
times

1641
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:18,240
doubly so with six now five players

1642
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,480
which have all gone like burst dps apart

1643
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:22,079
from like one and a half of you

1644
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,760
it is

1645
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,680
a nightmare

1646
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,720
that's probably my least

1647
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,760
favorite bit that takes forever

1648
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:32,559
and

1649
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:36,079
is very difficult to not make you all

1650
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:38,480
die or not be completely boring

1651
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:40,000
that's that's a really interesting bit

1652
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,000
actually because

1653
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,920
we went from a party of

1654
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,920
a genuine mishap

1655
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,200
group of characters you know there was

1656
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,079
no

1657
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,359
team ethics there was no you know we can

1658
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,280
defend so we're going to bring one of

1659
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:55,040
these characters in it was

1660
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,799
five or six people just turned up like

1661
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,400
oh you're right yeah i can do this by

1662
00:54:56,799 --> 00:55:01,440
the way i've got a really tragic back

1663
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:04,400
story and everyone had that so

1664
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,559
they weren't you know uh optimally made

1665
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:09,200
characters my source almost certainly

1666
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:11,520
was not designed to be a sorcerer or

1667
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,920
or at all he was

1668
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,599
he was mined but then all the other

1669
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,920
characters were like that so you kind of

1670
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:20,000
had to balance the monster in the

1671
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,160
account so that whereas this time around

1672
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,160
i know a bit more about the you know

1673
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,839
optimization of characters and

1674
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,400
a bit like you uh collaborating with

1675
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:30,880
your dm people i talk to people from our

1676
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,400
campaign to figure out you know is this

1677
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,440
the better way to do this is this how

1678
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,599
you would do it when you make those

1679
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,119
characters and now you've got a set of

1680
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:40,079
characters that are

1681
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,000
a lot more efficient in their games

1682
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:44,240
so you can't just throw a random bunch

1683
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,400
of goblins at us that is likely to kill

1684
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:48,640
us i mean goblin nearly had me

1685
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,960
yeah every time i met him just one

1686
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,559
second i love by the way how

1687
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,160
novice i was that you were like oh

1688
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,680
there's a random little goblin sat

1689
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,440
playing on the thing and i was like we

1690
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,640
should help him and bring him into our

1691
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,079
party

1692
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,920
why is he attacking me down low what's

1693
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:06,000
it was like the perfect little trap for

1694
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,960
you so it's it's it's a classic it's a

1695
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,400
classic you know i'm standing on the

1696
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,839
shoulders of the giants there that that

1697
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:14,160
was not very much not the 100 download

1698
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:15,200
og content it that is that it's a

1699
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,680
classic

1700
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,799
enemy uh the you know the unassuming

1701
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,880
goblin

1702
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:24,240
character to then

1703
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,079
i mean he could have very easily killed

1704
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:28,319
you would have been a very amazing story

1705
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:30,160
to see how that happened out but in fact

1706
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:32,480
we're still seeing how that pans out

1707
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:35,440
without spoiling it for anybody here

1708
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,960
hello hello

1709
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,240
um is there anything that you wanted to

1710
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,280
talk about that we might have missed

1711
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:42,400
regarding new being new playing a new

1712
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,559
game

1713
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,720
uh i think that

1714
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:47,839
everyone should try d d

1715
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,520
there are going to be people that listen

1716
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:52,319
to this podcast that are doing it

1717
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,920
because someone suggested it to them um

1718
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:56,000
i suggest it to people so they should

1719
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,079
listen to me and try it

1720
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,240
it's just an experience that brings

1721
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:02,480
people together and you could share you

1722
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:04,079
know your lower moments in the sessions

1723
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,160
where i wasn't feeling particularly

1724
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,599
great from a rubbish week at work or

1725
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,880
things like that i'd bring that to the

1726
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,319
table and play it out through my

1727
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,520
character but then everyone else was

1728
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:14,559
there to

1729
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:17,200
support me and back me up for that week

1730
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:18,319
from a game side of it it's brilliant

1731
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,559
it's

1732
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:22,240
mechanically all laid out for you

1733
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:24,079
and i think that's a that's a huge bonus

1734
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,920
so sometimes when i go and play

1735
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:27,520
new games i think i now got to learn

1736
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,799
everything like all the controls and

1737
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,079
things like that

1738
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:31,520
i've got a group of people that around

1739
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,319
me that can

1740
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,079
you know

1741
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:35,599
help me guide through those those more

1742
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:37,119
challenging bits

1743
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:39,119
so yeah it's just an experience that i

1744
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,119
want everybody to to draw and go for

1745
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,280
even my mom and dad now i'm like guys

1746
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:44,400
you should try that uh you know

1747
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,240
we know people that have played it

1748
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,680
before and they're this type of person

1749
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,599
or they're that type of person i'm like

1750
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,280
that's why you're boring

1751
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:53,119
you're not willing to just be there and

1752
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,520
be silly for ages you did it when you

1753
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,559
were younger yeah so do it now you're

1754
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,440
older

1755
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:59,119
yeah

1756
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,440
yeah i do

1757
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,880
there is you know

1758
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,599
certainly a

1759
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,760
stigma and a couple of my more uh

1760
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,799
lady efrain some of which you know met

1761
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,440
um

1762
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:14,160
are very much like no this is some weird

1763
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,920
nerdy thing that dan lowe does that's

1764
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,559
and i'm not yeah but

1765
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,799
it's still fun

1766
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:20,799
i can't

1767
00:58:20,839 --> 00:58:25,280
describe definitely laugh which is the

1768
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,040
most important thing

1769
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,400
that's it i think

1770
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,839
cat even said it on the first couple of

1771
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,000
sessions i did it from here she's like i

1772
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:34,000
haven't heard you laugh like for years

1773
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,930
and i was like that's because

1774
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:39,119
josh was shagging jack it was brilliant

1775
00:58:36,930 --> 00:58:40,799
[Laughter]

1776
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:43,359
how can you not

1777
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:45,920
you know not not on zoom but like the

1778
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:47,839
characters got into a situation and

1779
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,839
it's so ridiculous it's

1780
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:52,240
it bubbles up inside you that you can't

1781
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:53,920
help but you know let it overwhelm you

1782
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,400
and burst out laughing the way you used

1783
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,960
to that's fantastic

1784
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:02,079
awesome well i think that pretty much uh

1785
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:05,119
brings us to the end of today's

1786
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,520
somewhat self-indulgent discussion but

1787
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:09,540
after almost 70 episodes in i think i'm

1788
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,799
allowed some self-indulgence uh

1789
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:12,480
[Laughter]

1790
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:14,160
here and there do so professionally and

1791
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,760
like you know what 70 in

1792
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,040
let's let matt come on and have a little

1793
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,880
rant about

1794
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,920
their campaign

1795
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,680
it's a good time because it's a very

1796
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,680
good time to have this discussion as

1797
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,280
well with a new character and

1798
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,559
you know the the experience you have in

1799
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,280
terms of

1800
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:31,119
other games and other styles of dming i

1801
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,799
know we had an interim dm for a couple

1802
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,280
of sessions in the middle very very

1803
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:37,359
short form almost blinking you miss it

1804
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,640
kind of thing but in terms of this it's

1805
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:40,000
it's

1806
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,400
very interesting to see what the future

1807
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,640
holds i think both for the our game but

1808
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:47,760
also you as a as a player and and your

1809
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,599
new character no absolutely and

1810
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,960
i'm still still got to do some more more

1811
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,960
research ready for next week actually

1812
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,599
i've still got reading and stuff to do

1813
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,119
to to keep it fresh in my mind but it's

1814
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:58,160
exciting times

1815
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,040
indeed

1816
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,160
uh

1817
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,839
so this is normally and

1818
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,359
uh in contrast to the start of the show

1819
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:07,440
when i forgot to do the routine thing

1820
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:09,200
i've now i'm now gonna do the routine

1821
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,240
thing ironically it's not really

1822
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,559
relevant

1823
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,240
uh normally at this point i would say is

1824
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,400
anything you would like to plug or

1825
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,240
promote however

1826
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,240
eagle-eyed listeners

1827
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,240
will know that this is the same master

1828
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,839
who happens to be

1829
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,680
a patron of mine

1830
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:27,680
so he's already getting a shout out at

1831
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:31,200
the end of the show anyway so thanks

1832
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,200
everyone listening and good night

1833
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,440
but no as usual uh is there anything you

1834
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,400
would like to

1835
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:40,559
in in addition or no i'm just gonna keep

1836
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,480
my standard hype man position up listen

1837
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:45,119
to thinking critically donald does an

1838
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,680
amazing job both on and off the table

1839
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:50,720
um tell your friends i i certainly do

1840
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,400
and everyone stay safe and

1841
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,799
play d d

1842
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,640
that's me good night i of course i'm

1843
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:58,319
just going to take the download as an

1844
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,960
amazing job on and off the table as a

1845
01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:02,720
little snippet out of context uh just

1846
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,599
drop it throughout the

1847
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,860
yeah

1848
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:06,799
completely different voices

1849
01:01:04,860 --> 01:01:08,960
[Laughter]

1850
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:11,520
just in every podcast someone's like and

1851
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:15,440
the reason i like to play a dragonborn

1852
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,440
is because download is excellent

1853
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:20,240
that's marketing 101 like

1854
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,520
so all that is left to say is obviously

1855
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,760
thank you ever so much for joining us

1856
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,480
today matthew that has been a very

1857
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:33,520
very fun uh and interesting and and

1858
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:36,960
different conversation it's nice to talk

1859
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:39,280
about stuff that i am have had a hand in

1860
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,040
and it's obviously very close to home so

1861
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,960
thank you for your for your time this

1862
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,880
lovely evening thank you for having me

1863
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,400
it's been a pleasure mate awesome thank

1864
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,760
you to

1865
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:51,280
everyone for listening at home

1866
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,200
and keep listening after this outro

1867
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,520
because you'll see and hear

1868
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:58,079
matt's patreon shout out

1869
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,400
however as usual

1870
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:02,880
please

1871
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:07,039
follow is the correct terminology for

1872
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:09,920
spotify and like on youtube and do the

1873
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,079
five star rating on your spotify app and

1874
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,039
god knows what apple losers do on apple

1875
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,160
music

1876
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:15,599
thumbs up

1877
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,880
apple users

1878
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:20,720
i think so yeah

1879
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,400
but no as usual uh i do really

1880
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,839
appreciate all the uh comments and

1881
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,440
feedbacks do you reach out i love

1882
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:26,799
talking and interacting and if anyone

1883
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,200
wants to hear more about

1884
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:31,520
the my machiavellian plans for matthew

1885
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:34,240
and his cohorts please do let me know

1886
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,000
otherwise thank you all for listening

1887
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,599
and good night

1888
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,559
and now it's time for the patreon shout

1889
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:41,760
outs

1890
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:44,400
thank you to robert hartley dm for viva

1891
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:46,720
the dirt league and writer on the d d

1892
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,240
logic web series

1893
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,119
i would encourage everybody to check him

1894
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,079
out at robert hartley gm on twitter and

1895
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:54,319
twitch

1896
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:56,799
thank you to optional rule a two time

1897
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:59,520
guest of the show and a very insightful

1898
01:02:56,799 --> 01:03:03,839
and knowledgeable source of information

1899
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,839
please check them out at www

1900
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:09,599
huge huge huge thank you to a great

1901
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:12,000
friend of the show matthew perkins who's

1902
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:14,400
out there making hilarious and

1903
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,200
educational dungeons and dragons content

1904
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,920
please go and check out his stuff at

1905
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,319
matthewperkins.net where you can find

1906
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,920
links to all of his socials and all of

1907
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:23,599
his content including his own patreon

1908
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,359
which i would very much encourage you to

1909
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:28,240
check out

1910
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:30,319
thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

1911
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,839
on twitter for supporting the show if

1912
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:34,440
you need support running your personal

1913
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:36,640
or business schedule head to

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01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,319
virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

1915
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,480
make that difference between should do

1916
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:42,240
and done boss it better with support

1917
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,559
from cat who will help you get back that

1918
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,000
essential time you've been searching for

1919
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:47,839
if you would like to support what we do

1920
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,640
and get four shout outs a month head

1921
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:52,160
over to patreon.com thinking critically

1922
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:56,060
or you can just buy me a coffee at

1923
01:03:52,160 --> 01:04:03,080
kofi.com thinking critically

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