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welcome thinkers to season 3 episode 15

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of thinking critically today's topic is

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music

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today i'm joined by stuart also

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known as this is bard core thank you

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ever so much for joining us today stuart

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can you tell us a little bit about

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yourself absolutely my name is stuart i

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am a musician

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content creator i suppose although i'm

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not particularly fond of that term i

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make music i make covers of music in a

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in a genre that's known as bard core so

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essentially covers of popular songs in

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the style of a bard but because i'm a

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ttrpg nerd i put elements of fantasy and

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ttrpg into my songs i'm also a composer

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and i can post some ttrpg music and uh

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podcaster as well i'll take part in a an

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actual play podcast and mainly i post

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bad jokes and dad jokes on twitter

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that's supposed mainly what i do

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that's your primary performance

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profession is yes bad dad jokes

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[Laughter]

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awesome so today's topic is

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appropriately enough music

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so what it what does that word mean to

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you in the d and wider ttrpg framework

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right well essentially i've i got back

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into ttrpg

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like a lot of people did about 18 months

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ago to coming up to two years ago when

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the world ended

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and whenever i get back

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i used to play d d 30 years ago when i

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was a kid but whenever i get into any

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kind of hobby inevitably i will find a

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way to put my expertise as a musician

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into that so i i studied music when i

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was younger i make a living as a music

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teacher i was a performer pretty

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pandemic

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so i was looking at ways where i could

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transplant my musical skills

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into ttrpg and i came across

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the genre of bad call which was my first

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foray and it's it's ttrpg adjacent

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rather than ttrpg music but through that

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discovered

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a whole community of composers who were

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composing music for for role-playing

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games

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the industry around rpgs is

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as well you know is huge the number of

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people that are creating

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content that are creating

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tools

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creating

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assets for for others to use in their

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games is huge so i came across this

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whole world of people that were creating

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music some of them were creating it

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releasing it on spotify others were

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releasing it via patreon and other such

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platforms

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and generally speaking i was absolutely

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blown away by the the quality of the

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music that these people were creating

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i always consider myself a skilled

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musician i've been doing this for a long

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time but some of the people i've i've

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come into

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contact they're just unbelievable we're

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talking cinematic quality music yes

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that's being produced by

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someone in their in their tiny home

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studio

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and then they get and then they're

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putting this music out there for for

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people to use you know for either ad for

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free or for a small cost um some

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absolutely phenomenal stuff now

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in terms of how how i feel it impacts

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ttrpg playing

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i'm i'm in a strange position of being a

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musician in the ttrpg sphere who hasn't

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really experienced a great deal of music

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within my playing life

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okay so i will be playing my first

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in-person game of pathfinder in two

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weeks time right and that'll be the

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first time i've played in person for

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like i say for 30 years but i mean so i

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think that you know music in an

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in-person setting

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is all is

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absolutely vital i can't think the idea

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of sitting in a in a silent room and

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just playing

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d and d or pathfinder or whatever

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without any kind of music playing would

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seem really odd because in what other

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situation do you get together with your

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and not have somebody you know you go to

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a bar there's some background music you

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go around to someone's house having a

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chat you put some music on there's

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always something on in the background so

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the idea is sitting

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and not having music in the background

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would be i think it feel really awkward

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yeah and then the flip side of that is

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i did experience an in-person game so

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it's it's slightly uh

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it's just a white lie to say that in two

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weeks time is my first in-person game i

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a friend of mine run a a game for some

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kids

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and we run it in a in a bar

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food venue in manchester and they

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obviously play music because they're

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they're a social venue and the music

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that they played was the type of music

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that they play in a bar on a sunday

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afternoon absolutely not conducive to a

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fantasy environment

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it takes you out it takes it takes you

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out of the immersion in the game so

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i can really see that having the music

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there

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is vital and having the right music is

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vital yes so having played having played

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they've been a few occasions where dms

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that i've played with

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through the virtual tabletop have played

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some backing music

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and sometimes

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i'll be honest sometimes i turn the

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volume of it right down because it can

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be quite intrusive

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but other times it absolutely adds to

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the experience and i think probably more

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so because you're playing online

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so if i can give an example

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i'm currently playing in two long-term

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campaigns one of them is a curse of

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stride campaign yeah i don't i don't

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know whether you've ever played stride i

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know that you're uh you prefer your

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homebrew stuff rather than oh yeah

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pre-written modules

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but i'm playing strad at the moment

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during one of our one of our sessions

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the dm played some

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some ambient music that was

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that was happening in the game so not

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just background music to to to make this

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i see yeah in universe music in universe

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music yeah so

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i should know the words we call it

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diegetic music i think we call it i

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think i think we do yeah oh big big

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words for a sunday morning

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and in that circumstance sitting in my

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own sitting on my own

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in my little studio where i am now which

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is the smallest room in the house it's a

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tiny room it's like two meters by three

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meters with a pair of headphones on at

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11 o'clock at night when everyone else

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has gone to bed and all of a sudden this

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creepy chanting starts coming down

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it's so immersive

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and i think that that's one of the

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things that playing online gives you

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that playing in person probably won't

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ever give you i don't think that the

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music could be could ever be as

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immersive playing in person as it could

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be online

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oh wow and that was that purely because

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you're sitting at home alone is that is

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that the

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i think he's sitting at home alone also

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you've got headphones on so it's that

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that has a big impact because

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it's it is literally physically more

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immersive because the you are

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you are kind of contained within the

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music how about do do you use music in

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your games

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three broad

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environments i guess that you've

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mentioned there so we've got in-person

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private games like at someone's

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home

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yeah in person in a public venue like a

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friendly neighborhood local gaming store

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or you know a board game cafe or or a

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bar on a friday sunday afternoon um and

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then there's a remote and i have

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experience in playing and running all

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three and each have their own

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pros and cons when it comes to

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adding so i firstly i completely agree

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and say that i

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i couldn't play without

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music or at least i would rather play

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the ability to have some kind of

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background music

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even you know i i when i first started

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dming i spent way more time than i

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should have done putting together

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spotify playlists for like his just you

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know miscellaneous adventuring quote

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unquote his

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adventuring in the dungeon his combat

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here's a spooky combat here's a sad

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combat here's some sad music so i ended

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up with like 10 different playlists each

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of which are like two hours long with

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all sorts of music from

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video games and films and so on and so

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so i really loved being like when i when

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you know here here it is i made an intro

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song that is like the theme song for the

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for my homebrew campaign that

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was really much a

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a dm's tool to be like the game is now

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beginning everybody so

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stop looking at facebook because

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this is the time to play uh

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and also set the tone and the theme and

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so on and so on so i used to love doing

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it works

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i see here's where i disagree somewhat

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i think it works better in person than

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if only for the reason that you can put

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a speaker

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like in the middle of the table

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equidistant from everybody else

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that although the dm or whoever's

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talking has to talk over to a certain

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extent it's not literally the same

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discord i tried a whole bunch of

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different discord bots to play music

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support spotify or you have to pay or

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it's a little bit iffy when it comes to

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licensing and so on and so on but

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obviously they appear in the discord

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channel as another user so in terms of

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talking over them it's

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and turn down that one particular user

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that's the bot all the way down so they

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can hear each other but then it's this

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is less control i would suppose from the

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from the dm's point of view because i've

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had you know i've been dming before and

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people are like oh there's music playing

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oh yeah because

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you know a month ago i muted that person

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because i didn't want to hear whatever

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it was and i'm like oh [ __ ] that's

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all that thematic build up wasted

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whereas if you're playing a person like

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i can hear it that means everybody can

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hear it

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so it's being played so

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oh and also i wanted to mention my my

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own musical chops um i did get to grade

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four uh on the trumpet wow probably

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about uh two decades ago so

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there you go that's we've reached the

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end of my musical expertise

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it's really interesting what you say

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though about using a piece of music in a

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live setting

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to set the tone so yeah i think this

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when we i'm i'm not a dm by any stretch

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of the imagination i have dm'd some

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games because

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i'm a creative person so once i started

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playing i had ideas for things that i

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would want to do so i've dm'd i've i've

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done bits of homebrew and when you're

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dming

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i assume that everyone is like me okay

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let's let's let's work on the basis that

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i'm making a huge assumption that

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everyone works in a similar way to me so

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we look for

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inspiration in lots and lots of places

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so we we get inspiration from art we get

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inspiration from film from tv from

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whatever from comics

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and from music

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and then what we might you know we might

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we might lay out an adventure that

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follows the narrative structure of a

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particular film that we like or

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we might

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design a an aesthetic to a place that's

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based on something and this the idea

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that we might have then a piece of music

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that's inspired us and by playing that

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piece of music we can transport our

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players and we could try and get our

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players into a similar mindset to where

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you were when you were creating the the

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adventure or creating the idea because

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it's music i think music

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more so than any other art form so it's

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gonna sound so pretentious now music has

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got the ability to manipulate people's

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emotions more than any other thing so

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you know

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it's no it's no big revelation to say

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that you know music in advertising has a

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massive impact on the way that people

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feel and has a massive impact on the way

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people react to

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an advert music in films you know

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there's some great resources great

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videos that i use in my day job to show

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how changing the music in a tv scene

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completely changes your perception of

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what's going on so by using that piece

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of music at the start of a session what

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you can hopefully do

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is manipulate your players into being in

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the right frame of mind to to to where

359
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you want them to be for your session

360
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mm-hmm yeah that is that is i mean i'm

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all for manipulating players so that's

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uh

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you know taking the right box out the

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gate

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but though like very much i wanted you

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know a recognizable theme

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song yeah that has this kind of air of

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you know

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impending adventure you know that ex

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that building excitement of yeah we're

371
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going on an adventure uh to quote

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another piece of media and um so that

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that has become very

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like tradition of the campaign and then

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for for a spell when we first moved to

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remote i we didn't have it for a bit

377
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which made me sad uh and then i managed

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to find a way to bring it back in and

379
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that was good again and it was like

380
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feeling it was like feeling back at home

381
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we're back we're back now this is this

382
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is this is the good times

383
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but yeah as i said i had many

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playlists and like literally i one is

385
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called sad

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and because easy for me as a dm to go

387
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you know npc's dying i want this to be

388
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like

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a tear jerker

390
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boom pop that one shuffle

391
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and that's doing half the heavy lifting

392
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for me in terms of like

393
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emotion and role-playing the players

394
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know

395
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to feel sad

396
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it sounds weird but so when you're dming

397
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and you're running a session are you

398
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sitting there with whatever your phone

399
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your ipad with spotify on and as part of

400
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your

401
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system you are swapping playlists on the

402
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fly as things are happening in the game

403
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yeah yep so back i mean i haven't done

404
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it in person for a long time

405
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unfortunately

406
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for various reasons i won't bore you

407
00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,920
with the details but uh yeah back in the

408
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day we had a huge table which was great

409
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to fit all seven of us around and yeah a

410
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bluetooth speaker uh i'd have my laptop

411
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open anyway which had all my notes on

412
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yeah we'll just connect you know the

413
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laptop

414
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and spotify playing device to that

415
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bluetooth speaker and yeah literally had

416
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all my playlists there uh okay double

417
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click wait for it to start

418
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welcome back adventurers to my homebrew

419
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campaign and then we'll talk through and

420
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then if they were in combat i'd go right

421
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where's the battle playlist double click

422
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and then immediately it's like clashing

423
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of swords and

424
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exciting battle music from films that i

425
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know

426
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all of us know like lord of the rings

427
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you know recognizable

428
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music that

429
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not only

430
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the music in isolation

431
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conveys a certain feeling in a certain

432
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sense but also the association with a

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piece of media as you said it has like

434
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another layer of oh i remember this it

435
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was from the battle of helms deep which

436
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is

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sick so i know exactly

438
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what the dm is trying to convey to me

439
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here

440
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this is what i hope had happened but

441
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yeah

442
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i'm sitting there lapped upon and it is

443
00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,399
you know a case of just changing their

444
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the spotify playlist essentially that's

445
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what i use i'm sure everybody else can

446
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use their own music player of choice but

447
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uh

448
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[Laughter]

449
00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,480
just in case it ends up on the bbc one

450
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day uh

451
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[Laughter]

452
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the bbc sounds player for all your ttrpg

453
00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,519
music needs

454
00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,959
um so yeah no i i literally just sit

455
00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:08,800
there and as i said now they've kind of

456
00:16:06,959 --> 00:16:12,079
fallen into disuse because

457
00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,639
playing remotely i haven't found an easy

458
00:16:12,079 --> 00:16:16,880
way to do it

459
00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:18,639
you know via a discord

460
00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,560
um and in person it was very little

461
00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:22,320
overhead just uh you know spotify was

462
00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,480
always open anyway so it's very little

463
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,160
overhead on me as a dm to be like okay

464
00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,360
while they're all rolling initiative i

465
00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,639
can just double click this other

466
00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,320
playlist because i'm not really doing

467
00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:31,920
anything else anyway well they're all

468
00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,519
rolling their d20s

469
00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,040
whereas now it's like i have to go into

470
00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,639
this chat window and copy and paste and

471
00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,480
make sure this is clear and can everyone

472
00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:40,880
turn it up properly and is it not too

473
00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,720
loud and oh god it hasn't it's it's not

474
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got permissions and all this other stuff

475
00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,519
so

476
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for me there is a huge divide between

477
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in person and

478
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remote and also as as you said

479
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all the sound

480
00:16:54,079 --> 00:16:57,759
both people talking

481
00:16:55,759 --> 00:17:00,480
diegetic sound sound effects and the

482
00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:03,279
music is all coming through

483
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typically headsets or earphones so

484
00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:08,400
they're all kind of vying for the same

485
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space and the same attention whereas in

486
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an open room

487
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you can kind of

488
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talk over it and turn it down for

489
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everybody and and then just pause it

490
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whatever you need to do there's just

491
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it's

492
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i have also

493
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turned down the music that a dm has been

494
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playing in yeah

495
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when i've been playing remotely because

496
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i

497
00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:31,120
i don't really need this like it's fine

498
00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,799
i get it i'll just let me just crank

499
00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:34,960
that down a little bit which makes me

500
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feel horrible uh that's saying out loud

501
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now

502
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i just went through all that effort to

503
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being like here's all the effort i made

504
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and here's how important it is um

505
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but sometimes it's it's

506
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it is like i'd rather hear the people

507
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and i don't really want to have to fight

508
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over the music to to be able to hear

509
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,720
them all all audio that's coming across

510
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,320
uh coming across the internet though

511
00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,080
he's getting compressed so you've got

512
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all you've got all the compression of

513
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the the people's voices you've got all

514
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,799
the compression of the music so

515
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everything just becomes a a carpet of

516
00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:08,480
sound you know yeah we're all kind of

517
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used to

518
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to playing online and constantly you

519
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,039
know oh no no no no you no you go you go

520
00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,320
talking over each other you know there's

521
00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,480
so much

522
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,799
so much kind of neurotic politeness

523
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,799
involved in the playing playing online

524
00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:24,240
yeah that the music can get in the way

525
00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,919
of that so

526
00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,240
i i imagine

527
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a majority of people are playing online

528
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,919
where the dm has found a way to play

529
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music to them either through the virtual

530
00:18:31,919 --> 00:18:36,880
tabletop or discord or whatever i think

531
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the majority are probably turning it

532
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down if not off

533
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so

534
00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:44,640
don't feel bad about it don't feel bad

535
00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:47,520
you're not you're not a bad person for

536
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,520
that reason damn

537
00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,559
and of course as the third medium that

538
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,160
we discussed playing in person which i

539
00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,559
have done at a

540
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there's like a community driven

541
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:04,960
not-for-profit place there in the in the

542
00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:08,320
city that i live and we played in there

543
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,640
and obviously you're surrounded by

544
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,240
you know three four other tables each

545
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,360
playing their own

546
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ttrpg or board games or something

547
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and also when i recorded the

548
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quote-unquote live episode back at the

549
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tail end of

550
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season

551
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two

552
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might be one um that was in a

553
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,960
yeah friendly local gaming store flgs

554
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and that was

555
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,799
the reason i recorded there was because

556
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,559
i wanted the background ambiance of

557
00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,080
all these these people talking and

558
00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:37,919
having their tg

559
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,440
rpg games and however in both of those

560
00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:41,440
cases

561
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,240
none of the games are playing music and

562
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,160
i just it is very interesting to me that

563
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,600
we've just spent best part 20 minutes

564
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,600
talking about how important it is and

565
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,960
why we like it and how it can change the

566
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,160
nature of the game and this that and the

567
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:56,559
other and yet there's a large portion of

568
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,160
people who prefer to play in these

569
00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:59,679
spaces that

570
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,320
basically it's very impractical to have

571
00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:04,000
music because and also very rude

572
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,919
because it's going to disturb

573
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,080
the three other games that are near you

574
00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:09,919
and obviously they get by

575
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,919
without it and so maybe just the

576
00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:13,360
background ambiance of the the store of

577
00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:16,640
the venue

578
00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:19,280
fills that gap do you think

579
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,960
i think so it's yeah i mean

580
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,600
is it worse than if you're playing in a

581
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,919
place and they are playing some

582
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,840
generic music rather than so like i said

583
00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:29,440
when we played in a bar the other week

584
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,120
or well or when i watched some people

585
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,200
playing in a bar the other week the

586
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,919
music that's being played is completely

587
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,080
not so so you kind of you just end up

588
00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:39,919
blanking it out as background music yeah

589
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,320
and it and it serves the same purpose

590
00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:43,760
then of just background chatter but you

591
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,520
know what if they play all of a sudden

592
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,960
they pull you know i'm trying to think

593
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,200
of a song that

594
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,360
some something comes on like living on a

595
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,640
prayer by bon jovi and why i've chosen

596
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,760
that song

597
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,520
you know that that's a song that

598
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,440
everyone knows it's a song that whether

599
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,960
on whether or not you like that song you

600
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,880
probably know the words to it whether or

601
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,640
not you like that song at some point in

602
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,120
your life you've probably sung along to

603
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,120
that song

604
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,320
you want your players sitting around the

605
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,080
table all of a sudden

606
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,000
shouting about all the halfway there you

607
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,240
know yeah

608
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,600
it's better to have no music i suppose

609
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,760
than to have

610
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,360
the wrong music to have music that's

611
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,520
going to completely take you out of it

612
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,520
and yeah i do think that

613
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,679
to go back to the the example i gave

614
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,520
before if you just chatting to friends

615
00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:29,120
and you put some background music on

616
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,320
you're not listening to the music that

617
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:34,799
music is just providing a sound bed yeah

618
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,120
your experience isn't it

619
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:39,600
so the the sound of other people playing

620
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,760
you know i i suppose you could you could

621
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,600
rationalize it and say that the the

622
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,159
background chatter of the other games

623
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,679
gives the ambience of a tavern and you

624
00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:49,360
know it makes you feel like whilst it's

625
00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:51,520
not necessarily

626
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:54,080
serving the action of the game it's

627
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:57,760
providing uh an ambiance which is

628
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,360
conducive to fantasy storytelling

629
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,740
good that's my sound bite for this

630
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:03,679
episode

631
00:21:59,740 --> 00:22:05,679
[Laughter]

632
00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:07,520
yeah so i mean

633
00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:08,799
it's obviously the times i've played in

634
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,720
person

635
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:15,120
i only only typically play with people i

636
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:17,360
know so i don't have a huge reason to go

637
00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,240
to play with strangers in these places

638
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,760
so

639
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,960
all those things consider this me i

640
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,400
don't really typically play in those

641
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,400
instances that much often no now that

642
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,159
isn't to say i might not ever uh and

643
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,840
then therefore we could rejoin this

644
00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:31,360
conversation uh and redo this

645
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,280
conversation once i've had a bit more

646
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:34,640
experience but it was

647
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,640
i would encourage everybody to listen to

648
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,400
that live episode which i'll link in the

649
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,240
description because you do get a really

650
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,200
good feel of the the kind of environment

651
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,880
to play in and it's a really interesting

652
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,080
contrast to what we've just discussed

653
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,120
around like

654
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,640
you know you're sitting alone in your

655
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,320
room you've got the headphones on and

656
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,760
it's you know you're really in the music

657
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,440
and it can make you know you can make

658
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,960
your players cry compared to like here's

659
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,200
a bubbly

660
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,440
happening place people coming and going

661
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,760
and i think it's a credit to the hobby i

662
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,080
suppose that you can

663
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,159
have both ends of those extremes and

664
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:09,840
everybody can still have a lot you know

665
00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:11,760
a really engaging and rewarding time

666
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,400
music as well i think music's the the

667
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:18,080
easiest thing that we can do to try and

668
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:20,000
make a a more immersive experience like

669
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,360
if if you play in person and you play

670
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:26,320
with with minis and terrain and those

671
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:28,480
kind of things that's

672
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,480
it's doable but

673
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,799
for a lot of people

674
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,159
to actually make immersive terrain to

675
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,960
actually have

676
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:39,520
3d dungeons and

677
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,400
really great well-painted minis and what

678
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,400
have you

679
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,840
it's a full-time job you know it really

680
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,520
is a full-time you know us there's a

681
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,360
couple of people that follow on youtube

682
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,159
because i am a i'm a minis painter as

683
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,679
well

684
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:52,000
and i follow a couple of people that

685
00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:53,840
make terrain and what have you and who

686
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,679
and people who make their living as

687
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,120
professional dms because one of the

688
00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:59,440
things that they do is provide that

689
00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:02,320
level of immersion and yeah you can do

690
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,559
that but you know short of

691
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,840
getting everyone to dress up

692
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:10,080
and having your sessions in a

693
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,960
castle or a you know

694
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,640
in a

695
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,039
in a suitable place

696
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:18,720
music is the easiest thing that that is

697
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:21,200
that can provide the most immersion

698
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,039
for the least amount of effort i suppose

699
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,559
yeah i'm talking about this like that

700
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:25,600
that's really important for some people

701
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,960
immersion

702
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,320
they're fully aware that they're playing

703
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,400
a game you know there's different types

704
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,320
of players i'm a role player that's

705
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,720
everyone anyone who ever plays with me

706
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,640
will know that i am first and foremost a

707
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,360
role player rather than a game player

708
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,279
yeah and for me that immersion is

709
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,279
brilliant because it means that i can

710
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,120
forget about stuart and i can just

711
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:48,080
inhabit my character

712
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:49,919
whereas for other people they play a

713
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,440
an rpg like they play a game like they

714
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:52,640
play a computer game they want to whiz

715
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,919
through they want to do the best that

716
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,200
they can they want the you know the

717
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:57,200
maximum amount of treasure for the

718
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320
minimum amount of minimum amount of

719
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,640
effort

720
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,840
and for those people immersion might not

721
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,080
be might not be important at all no no i

722
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,840
think that's a thing right like um one

723
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,360
recommendation would be to learn from

724
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,520
from my mistakes

725
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,520
as a dm and not spend hours and hours

726
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,600
and hours curating a bunch of playlists

727
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,440
if the majority of your players are how

728
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,279
you've just described but aren't you

729
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,640
know just slam on any old generic

730
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,760
youtube and i'll be fine in the

731
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,440
background that might turn it down

732
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,559
anyway and not download you don't need

733
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,120
to spend

734
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:29,279
a day's worth of effort trolling through

735
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,480
to find the quote unquote perfect songs

736
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,120
to your playlist because that's the kind

737
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,559
of person i am um when it doesn't you

738
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,240
know it might not even really matter

739
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:38,799
it's like prio right you need to focus

740
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,720
on the 20 which has the most impact but

741
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:43,200
if that's if that's an enjoyable part of

742
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,799
your preparation as a dm then

743
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,320
purely apart you know completely

744
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,480
separately from whether or not it has an

745
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,960
impact on the game if it has an impact

746
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,600
on how much you enjoy preparing to dm

747
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,520
then it's it's a useful thing

748
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,840
does the searching for music and

749
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,760
prepping those playlists actually have a

750
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,840
positive impact on the way that you then

751
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,679
prep your sessions because you've got

752
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,600
things in mind you psyched about a piece

753
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:07,200
of particular piece of music so you

754
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,000
think about how that's going to impact

755
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,200
on a combat and you change you know you

756
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,279
you know it can be it can be so

757
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,760
important for a dm as well i mean i

758
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,919
won't mention any names but i had i

759
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,880
started a campaign a couple of

760
00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:21,039
uh

761
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,279
18 months ago with a with a dm that i'd

762
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:25,440
never met it was all online

763
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,360
uh the players i knew the dm i did not

764
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,360
know none of us knew this guy and we

765
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:31,520
started this campaign he was a great dm

766
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:33,440
and he played music during the sessions

767
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,960
we played over role 20 and he always

768
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,559
played music and he was a it was a

769
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,159
fantastic dm

770
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,919
uh and we were all really really

771
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:42,240
enjoying it and then about eight

772
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:44,480
sessions into the campaign

773
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,720
he uh he told us he'd fallen out of love

774
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,760
with diamond and he'd fallen out not

775
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,320
falling out of love with you i mean

776
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,960
falling out of love with d and d

777
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:56,320
completely um and didn't want to carry

778
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,279
on and we were like seems really sudden

779
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,720
you know

780
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,799
one of the things that he said to us

781
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,640
then he says he's tried reading he's

782
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,880
tried listening to music he's tried all

783
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,080
these different things to

784
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,279
to get himself back into it because

785
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,600
that for him

786
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:13,440
the the the music that every that was

787
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,520
all part of what was being a dm and when

788
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,600
he was struggling as a dm when he wasn't

789
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,039
enjoying the game anymore

790
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,200
he lent on

791
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:23,360
he went on music he lent on things to

792
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,720
try and inspire him back into him

793
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,880
you know so even if the players aren't

794
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,399
enjoying it if they i mean that's a pr

795
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,399
that's a bit of a bummer of a story to

796
00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:31,440
be to be fair on yeah when i started

797
00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:33,600
telling it

798
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,679
i hadn't really thought it through but

799
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,640
the the fact that he then in a time of

800
00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:40,559
dm crisis he went on the music and it

801
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,399
didn't work

802
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,159
he still gave up dnd and to the best of

803
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:45,360
my knowledge he's completely out of the

804
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:48,080
hobby you know

805
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,240
but he did try he did try the but on

806
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,159
this occasion the power of music was not

807
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,520
enough

808
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:55,360
i think that's the end of the podcast

809
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,120
yeah yeah

810
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:59,679
i'm falling out of love with dnd now

811
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,679
anyway so

812
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,520
that is quite a ripcord pull from that

813
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,760
dm there oh it was it was it was it was

814
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,200
horrifying you know because we

815
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,760
or those as players you're like is it us

816
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,320
because we were all

817
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,600
reasonably

818
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,200
inexperienced you know i'd only been

819
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,720
back playing for

820
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,000
maybe three or four months when we

821
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,840
started

822
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,039
one of the other another couple of the

823
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,640
players we were from my my other group

824
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,200
the other two were slightly more

825
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,679
experienced but not hugely so and where

826
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,679
i are this was you know we've been we've

827
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:37,200
been we'd have messages talking about

828
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:39,200
where our characters were gonna go you

829
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,640
know we've been planning planning things

830
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,279
out behind the scenes with him and then

831
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,559
all of a sudden rug pulled sorry guys

832
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:46,559
you've made me hate the game

833
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,039
i hate you as well goodbye

834
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,640
i hope he doesn't listen to this

835
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:59,080
i'm gonna pull off my mask and it was me

836
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:04,840
this has all just been an elaborate year

837
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,840
and a half set up to pull

838
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,869
[Music]

839
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:17,600
[Music]

840
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:18,799
see one thing there that made me laugh

841
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,880
is that

842
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:23,200
i talk about doing prep and stuff

843
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,559
i i listen to a lot of music that isn't

844
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,279
how should i put this like dear the

845
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:30,159
fantasy music yeah so when i'm doing my

846
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:32,720
prep i'll have i'll have music on that

847
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:34,960
might well be k-pop it might well be

848
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,679
vaporwave it'll be something that is

849
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,760
very much not a fantasy and now i'm

850
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:41,440
thinking like why don't i when i'm

851
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,559
doing you know writing these emotive

852
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,880
little you know session intros or these

853
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:48,320
montage intros or these

854
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,960
you know trying to script a certain

855
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,399
interaction with an npc why

856
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,399
i'm having some self-reflection you know

857
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:56,240
some introspection now like why don't i

858
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:57,760
listen to my emotive fantasy music i'm

859
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,360
such a hypocrite of being like oh it's

860
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,720
so emotive and makes the players feel a

861
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,360
certain way

862
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,240
do you do that to help you down low nah

863
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,600
well

864
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,600
flip that though why don't you play the

865
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,440
k-pop or the vaporwave when during your

866
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,360
sessions you got

867
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,880
you taken i mean

868
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,880
k-pop might be slightly problematic

869
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,200
because i'm not uh

870
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,679
my knowledge of k-pop is is incredibly

871
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,320
superficial and i understand it's there

872
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:25,200
is a there is breadth within the genre

873
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,520
but but to the uninitiated there is an

874
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,960
aesthetic there is a sonic aesthetic to

875
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,399
k-pop which

876
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:35,279
doesn't necessarily suggest the

877
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:36,640
um the suitability whereas

878
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:39,360
something like

879
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,200
vaporwave you've got

880
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,799
you've got pieces of music that would

881
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,360
you'd be you'd be able to make a sad

882
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,679
vaporwave playlist you'd be able to make

883
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,200
a high tension vaporwave play you know

884
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:51,679
there are there are things that you

885
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,960
could do i know some people it's fantasy

886
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:56,240
you don't want

887
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,399
uh uh another another composer i know

888
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,480
guy called ghost of red mountain

889
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:03,760
as soon as he hears an electric guitar

890
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,840
in a piece of rpg music he's out

891
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,240
like there's no it's no it should be

892
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,039
it's it's either orchestral cinematic or

893
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720
it's

894
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:13,760
strings

895
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,080
and harps and you know well you you you

896
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,279
you might joke but i did actually have a

897
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,360
have a

898
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,559
a couple of playlists that were i was

899
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,480
gonna have as kpop dnd playlists and

900
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,159
then i got through and was like yeah

901
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,240
that this really is this is a stretch

902
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:32,919
even for me here

903
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,919
this is not probably not gonna work

904
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,799
too many vocals that's the problem and

905
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:40,960
that is that is a thing vocal vocals in

906
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:43,679
music rpg music of any sort i think

907
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,519
vocals do take you out

908
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:47,919
yeah absolutely absolutely and of course

909
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,440
it's their replete with vocals so there

910
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:51,679
was no and i'd be too busy you know

911
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,440
bopping along as well to concentrate on

912
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,640
them but um

913
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,000
i was just going to say like all that

914
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,919
that other composer you mentioned he

915
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,000
would hate my games because all those

916
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:03,760
those uh spotify playlists i said i put

917
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,279
together are pulled from every corner of

918
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,679
pop culture including a lot of video

919
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:09,600
game stuff so i've got in there like

920
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:11,120
devil may cry

921
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,039
you know songs and then songs from

922
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,360
bayonetta and smash bros and all that

923
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,279
other kind of stuff um

924
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,559
so yeah when you know and then from you

925
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,159
get whiplash you know you go from that

926
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,679
and then it is just like the battle of

927
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,960
helm's deep or something but it's always

928
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:24,320
all to me it

929
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,320
tries to pull out the same emotions from

930
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,200
the players uh but yeah obviously in

931
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,799
those kind of songs there is a lot of

932
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,919
electronic

933
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,440
influence yeah so i i personally i don't

934
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:37,679
i don't i don't see there being a being

935
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,240
an issue i think that i like the idea of

936
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:43,279
you you know you listen to

937
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,360
han zimmer for example yes um

938
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:48,559
hanzo whether whatever in your opinion

939
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,320
of hans zimmer he's managed to

940
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,880
meld

941
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,320
cinema traditional cinematic orchestral

942
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,559
music with

943
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,799
electronic elements with modern

944
00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:00,000
production elements in a really in a

945
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,640
really

946
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,880
good seamless way and i i i personally

947
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,760
do i like han zimmer's

948
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,200
work

949
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,640
or whether it's actually han zimmer's

950
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,480
work or whether it's one of his minions

951
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,760
that does his work for him but i like

952
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,000
the things i like the things that are

953
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,600
presented to us as the works of anzima

954
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,440
and he does

955
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,039
you know he does he does mix things in

956
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760
he does change things around and i think

957
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,159
that

958
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:26,000
we are we are telling stories when we

959
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:28,559
play games yeah and certainly for me the

960
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,760
most common and the biggest impact

961
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,720
storytelling medium of my life is film

962
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,880
so

963
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,159
we're gonna take inspiration from film

964
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,960
music

965
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:38,960
and

966
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,120
you know that that is where film music

967
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,880
is at the moment it's not it's not

968
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,039
sweeping up the sweeping orchestral

969
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,320
music of the you know hollywood in the

970
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:50,080
1940s there's a huge breadth of

971
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,679
cinematic music

972
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,279
and that is going to influence us

973
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,720
because that is where where we're going

974
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,240
to pull our

975
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,320
preconceptions of what music for

976
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,480
storytelling is

977
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,360
yeah absolutely i think i think i've got

978
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,120
some inception and interstellar on there

979
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,639
which at least one of those is hanzo i

980
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,760
haven't installed anyone by assuming

981
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,000
i'm pretty sure at least one of them is

982
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000
there

983
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:16,480
so

984
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,919
one burning question that i've had then

985
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,639
seeing as you said that you you mainly

986
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:22,480
play and you don't dm yeah but being

987
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,000
called this is parkour and making your

988
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,159
own music

989
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,280
what classes do you play i'm trying to

990
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,839
not lead the witness too much but uh

991
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,240
i i i have played i haven't do you know

992
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:36,159
i haven't played every single class uh i

993
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:37,679
haven't been playing i've been back for

994
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,520
long enough to play every single class

995
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,720
even just in

996
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,720
uh even just in the last

997
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:46,480
18 months two years so

998
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:49,119
any including one shots and things like

999
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,599
that i do play a bard yeah there it is

1000
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:54,960
that's it there we go yeah

1001
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:57,839
but i also play uh up until a week ago i

1002
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,640
was playing a fighter and then he died

1003
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:02,160
rest in peace i yeah i play i've played

1004
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,280
more monks than i've played anything

1005
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,599
else

1006
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,040
um i do have a tendency to when i need

1007
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,480
to roll up a character to roll up a

1008
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,720
month i'm playing a wizard at the moment

1009
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,119
you know in strad

1010
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,640
so i i'm i'm trying to spread it around

1011
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,640
a little bit i've only ever played one

1012
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,560
bard i don't know what and i play the

1013
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,520
bard that i play is in the podcast that

1014
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,680
i'm a character on and

1015
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,280
i don't know what i would do if

1016
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,240
something happened to that character

1017
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:31,440
because so much of my

1018
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:33,760
online presence my brand or whatever is

1019
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,880
is is around that the kiss on my

1020
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,560
on twitter my youtube channel is has my

1021
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,800
name as my character's name is the

1022
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,880
youtube channel you know all my all my

1023
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,800
artwork all my profile pictures are all

1024
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,119
the character artwork of my character my

1025
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,599
bad character from this game you know if

1026
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,359
he if anything ever happened to him

1027
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:54,480
i'd have to completely and utterly

1028
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:55,680
change my entire online

1029
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,760
do you think

1030
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,040
that character has

1031
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,000
is an easier fit for you then as a as a

1032
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,960
fellow

1033
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880
music

1034
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,320
creator um

1035
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,839
like is there is there a lot is there

1036
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,440
more of you in that character than there

1037
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:12,720
is perhaps the other ones do you think

1038
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,680
oh problematically so it's yeah i mean

1039
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,200
i what happened i think that it got very

1040
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,800
personal very very quickly with that

1041
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,400
character there's an awful lot in my

1042
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,880
character's

1043
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,400
story and in the depths of my character

1044
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,960
that is 100

1045
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,040
just me he's i would say he's marginally

1046
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,200
better looking than i am in real life

1047
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:34,079
um but he's

1048
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,160
it is very much it's a lot of my

1049
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:39,440
and the worst thing is that sometimes

1050
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,880
the when the dm will play in play

1051
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,320
something against the character that

1052
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,720
plays into the insecurities of the

1053
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,480
character which are also my insecurities

1054
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:49,920
as well we had a battle of the bards

1055
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,720
once yeah and i didn't win

1056
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,480
and

1057
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:57,200
i behaved fairly badly afterwards

1058
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,560
i carry an npc called my character a

1059
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,599
talker and i behaved very very badly

1060
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,760
afterwards

1061
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,119
um so it's it's it's pretty it's

1062
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,920
difficult and it's dangerous when you

1063
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:10,000
put so much into a character there's a

1064
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,280
lot of people who see d and d as therapy

1065
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,440
and

1066
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,960
it kind of is i'm not sure it's a i'm

1067
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,160
not sure it's the healthiest way to get

1068
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,560
your therapy

1069
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,240
but i certainly work through an awful

1070
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,040
lot of

1071
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:26,880
playing my character helps me to me to

1072
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,760
understand exac a lot about me

1073
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,440
uh i don't know whether it's just

1074
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,640
because he's a but i don't the fact that

1075
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,440
he's a bad

1076
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,720
isn't necessarily um okay you know not

1077
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,560
necessarily important he's not a

1078
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:39,040
particularly musical bard he's a college

1079
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,200
of eloquence bard oh very cool yeah

1080
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,040
but he does he does use music but he

1081
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,040
plays a drum so

1082
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,400
you know if that is even considered

1083
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,480
music i know there's a lot of jokes

1084
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,560
about drummers but

1085
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,960
there's no even then that we don't we

1086
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,119
don't really involve music in the game i

1087
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,680
know what you know i see i see photos of

1088
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:59,119
uh of people's playing setups and

1089
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,599
there's clearly a bard at the table

1090
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,200
because there's a there's a harp

1091
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,640
and when they do the bardic inspiration

1092
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,079
they'll sing a little song to the other

1093
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,520
players and whatever

1094
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,200
fair play you know

1095
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,359
fair play but i'm uh you know i'm not

1096
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,280
i'm not singing to to our players at the

1097
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:15,520
time

1098
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,960
that's your line in the sand is it yeah

1099
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,960
you're gonna arouse them with uh an

1100
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,760
well i did so what i did was i wrote for

1101
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:29,040
every spell i wrote a poem

1102
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,480
okay so i i say poems for when i cast my

1103
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,320
spells as the verbal component so

1104
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,240
whenever i whenever i level up and i get

1105
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,640
new spells i have to write my new poems

1106
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,839
i lost my notebook a couple months ago

1107
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,680
and had to do a session without my

1108
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:42,240
notebook and it was the most the most

1109
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,119
stressful thing unless an improvisation

1110
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,920
yeah

1111
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,920
just couldn't cast any spells

1112
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,640
uh okay cool thank you thank you for

1113
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,240
that look i didn't mean for it to turn

1114
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,560
into like

1115
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:56,240
how does stuart live his life and cope

1116
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,599
emotionally with his day-to-day actions

1117
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,200
i didn't need to

1118
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,440
every every time i go on someone's

1119
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,680
podcast it always ends up with me me

1120
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,160
talking about my insecurities that's

1121
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,440
always happens this is just people go oh

1122
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,440
does anyone like to come as a guest on

1123
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560
my podcast yes yes free therapy for

1124
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,160
school yeah well i'll have to start

1125
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000
charging you now i didn't realize what's

1126
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,240
the hourly rate for a therapist nowadays

1127
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,560
probably pretty good

1128
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,839
more than i can afford

1129
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,760
well then we will have to stop the

1130
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:22,790
podcast

1131
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,550
for the second time

1132
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:26,550
[Laughter]

1133
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,280
okay so i had a i did have a question

1134
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,400
that i was thinking about mainly for the

1135
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,000
listeners of course of course uh around

1136
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,560
obviously you opened with your little

1137
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,640
bio around bard core

1138
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,760
music i don't know

1139
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,440
please excuse my ignorance whether

1140
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,079
that's a genre and of itself or if it's

1141
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,839
a subgenre or whatever if it's a style

1142
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,800
rather than a genre of music but

1143
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:51,200
could you

1144
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,200
elaborate a little bit more on

1145
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,320
that then and more more of the specifics

1146
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,440
of what that

1147
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,680
means

1148
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,599
absolutely so it was something that i

1149
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:04,319
had never ever heard of until

1150
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,800
the start of the pandemic when one of my

1151
00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:07,839
friends sent me a link to a youtube

1152
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,880
video

1153
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:12,000
and

1154
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,760
a few years ago i'd had an idea that

1155
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,800
what if i took

1156
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,079
modern songs rewrote the lyrics to make

1157
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,920
them

1158
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:22,960
kind of 1920s

1159
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:26,560
and recorded so my idea was take for

1160
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,240
example skater boy by avril lavigne

1161
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,880
random song number two off the top of my

1162
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:35,040
head re rewrite the lyrics in as a very

1163
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,040
kind of genteel 1920s and recorder that

1164
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,079
kind of 1920s

1165
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,280
jazz ragtime stride piano

1166
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:46,079
accompaniment and sing in a

1167
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,760
1920s voice over the top of it make it

1168
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,640
sound old

1169
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,000
put it on youtube and go oh my god i

1170
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,599
can't believe avril lavigne got away

1171
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,119
with this you know she's she's stolen

1172
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,720
this song from the 1920s i thought

1173
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,960
that'd be an interesting like a funny

1174
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,200
thing to do like record these spoof

1175
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,680
versions and pretend that modern songs

1176
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,839
were actually covers of these old yes

1177
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,000
and then the genre of bad call was

1178
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:10,560
brought to my attention and some of the

1179
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,960
stuff that i saw early doors

1180
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,000
it was pretty enough so

1181
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,079
um

1182
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
do you know what midi is i was in the

1183
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,240
the

1184
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,160
the music sound input output absolutely

1185
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,160
so music instrument digital interface so

1186
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,560
what you can do is you can get a midi

1187
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,440
file of a song which is all of the

1188
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,040
different instrumental lines but as data

1189
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,720
and you can put that then into your

1190
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,480
software and you can choose what

1191
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:36,640
instruments they are and so some of them

1192
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,960
were literally where they've got a midi

1193
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,680
file of a song and they've put it on a

1194
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,520
dulcimer uh midi patch

1195
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,839
and you listen to the song and it's just

1196
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,240
a enough computerized instrument or with

1197
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:49,920
a generic medieval sound on it and then

1198
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:53,119
there were a few that were really really

1199
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,240
good so the biggest name in the

1200
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:58,960
i mean it is a genre uh but it's it's

1201
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,680
very very niche the biggest name is a is

1202
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,079
a an artist called hildegard von blingen

1203
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,520
okay so it's a pun on there was a there

1204
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:09,680
was a musician in the medieval age who

1205
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,280
was a nun and she was hildegard von

1206
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,960
bingen and hildegard von blingen did a

1207
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,440
cover of

1208
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,520
pumped up kicks where she'd rewritten

1209
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,839
the lyrics to make them

1210
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,400
medieval so she put medieval terminology

1211
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:27,680
in and then the music had all been

1212
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,560
rewritten to make it sound medieval yeah

1213
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,040
and

1214
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,560
it was substantially better than a lot

1215
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,359
of the other stuff that that i'd seen

1216
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,560
which was just fairly enough medium

1217
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:37,359
filter of

1218
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,280
like

1219
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:40,480
ye olde music now

1220
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,520
absolutely

1221
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:46,560
so i thought i could do this i was

1222
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:49,359
working from home so i had a i had extra

1223
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,400
time uh i you know i'd gained travel

1224
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:52,880
time and what have you and it was

1225
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,040
something that i could do

1226
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,960
to give me give me a bit of an outlet

1227
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,960
and something fun to do so i

1228
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,480
i thought right i'll rewrite a song and

1229
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,079
i sat down and i wrote the very first

1230
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,400
one i did was

1231
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,359
don't stop believing my journey so i sat

1232
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,200
and i

1233
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:09,760
i did a bit of research and i pulled up

1234
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,720
some medieval and some old english

1235
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,599
glossaries and saw what i could feasibly

1236
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:18,560
do and rewrote the lyrics to

1237
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,920
to don't stop believing and then sat

1238
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,000
down and

1239
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,800
got out some instruments now i i don't

1240
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,720
know about you but i don't have medieval

1241
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,839
instruments sitting around in my house

1242
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:32,240
but what are you doing last week

1243
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:34,000
i do now i do now actually but what i do

1244
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,680
have are instruments so what i thought

1245
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,680
was one thing that would

1246
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,720
would help me was a lot of the music

1247
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,400
that was out there was all

1248
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,720
electronically done and some of it was

1249
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,240
done very very well but it was it was

1250
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:49,440
midi whereas i play instruments so i got

1251
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:52,480
a i got a classical guitar and i

1252
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,720
played that as if it was a loot i

1253
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,960
used a little drum i

1254
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,280
i went and bought myself a tin whistle

1255
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,440
and and just tried to try you know it

1256
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,160
was ukuleles and mandolins and things

1257
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,560
that i had around so i i recorded this

1258
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,920
music so yeah it is basically it's music

1259
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,839
songs rewritten in a medieval style a

1260
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,240
lot of it is just instrumental there are

1261
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:15,839
a fair few people that do the the vocal

1262
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,359
stuff as well

1263
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:20,079
and at the time i thought right this is

1264
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:21,680
it i i got in

1265
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,920
when i first discovered it and i put out

1266
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,720
my first song i think this the out maybe

1267
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,720
two or three months into this trend

1268
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:31,040
and it was a pretty nice trend but a

1269
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,880
fairly large niche you know hildegard

1270
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,480
von blinger when she brings out a track

1271
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,720
she's getting over a million views on

1272
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,280
youtube you know there are there have

1273
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:41,119
been articles written about this yeah

1274
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,160
and i thought right i mean i'm in early

1275
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:45,119
doors

1276
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,200
i believe that my stuff that i do is

1277
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:48,800
objectively

1278
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,000
some of the better stuff that's out

1279
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,480
there

1280
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,839
and i thought right that's it no i'm i'm

1281
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,839
i don't think i'll ever have to go back

1282
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:57,440
to work i'm now going to be a

1283
00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:58,800
professional bard and i'm going to be

1284
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,680
famous

1285
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,079
and yeah i just it's i think of a song

1286
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,760
that i might that i reckon i could i

1287
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,720
could get a little hook

1288
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,800
where

1289
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,680
i could feasibly change the lyrics and

1290
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,599
then

1291
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,520
the lyrics is the difficult thing you

1292
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,160
know you know sitting there and trying

1293
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,839
to

1294
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,760
trying to rewrite things whilst keeping

1295
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:19,280
the narrative of a song and keeping the

1296
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,119
meaning of a song

1297
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,520
a lot of hip-hop songs are fantastic for

1298
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,280
it because they've got

1299
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,520
really good narratives yeah you know i

1300
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,079
did a cover of uh i did a cover of 99

1301
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,200
problems by jay-z yeah four scoring 19

1302
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,640
worries

1303
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,040
it was

1304
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,319
they're so wordy like oh this song will

1305
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,640
be brilliant like i've been thinking i

1306
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:41,359
might do vanilla ice ice ice baby yes

1307
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,280
really kind of evergreen song everyone

1308
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:45,520
knows it but just

1309
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,960
you know you google ice ice baby lyrics

1310
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,119
not that i need to because i know them

1311
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,119
off by heart when you google them it's

1312
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,560
it's like three pages of lyrics and i

1313
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,560
look at that and i'm going like that's

1314
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,920
six hours of work probably just to write

1315
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,720
the lyrics

1316
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,359
yeah it's it's covers of modern songs in

1317
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,040
a medieval style but i

1318
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:05,280
try and put

1319
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,119
little bits in there so there might be

1320
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,720
there might be references to a d d

1321
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:11,280
monster there might be references to a

1322
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:14,560
spell there might be i i've changed

1323
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,240
africa by total to ravnica

1324
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,020
which works really lucky for you that

1325
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,160
worked really well off the timeline yeah

1326
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:22,480
[Laughter]

1327
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,040
so yeah it's good fun i i've slowed my

1328
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,280
output has slowed down massively uh

1329
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,240
because i'm i haven't got the same

1330
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,200
amount of free time and i've been doing

1331
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,359
other musical endeavors within the rpg

1332
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,960
space as well but yeah i'm still

1333
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:38,880
still putting out hardcore music and

1334
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,200
releasing that on

1335
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,640
youtube and spotify and all over the

1336
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,079
place

1337
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,200
now you mentioned i think i do have an

1338
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,640
instrumental

1339
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,720
i guess what would be considered bad

1340
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,520
core in in one of my playlists funny

1341
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,160
enough

1342
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:56,240
that one of the players said oh was this

1343
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,599
that song i'm like yes it is kind of

1344
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,800
quite a few people have approached me

1345
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,240
and have

1346
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,599
i get a lot of comments of people saying

1347
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,240
i'm going to use this in my game i'm

1348
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:06,079
going to use this in my when my players

1349
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,400
are in a tavern i'm going to use this

1350
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:10,960
for oh i've got a player that does this

1351
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,400
this song is perfect you know um so i

1352
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,760
think there are quite a lot of people

1353
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,480
that use

1354
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,400
oh maybe the instrumental stuff more so

1355
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,480
than than the vocal stuff because i

1356
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,880
think vocals are problematic as we said

1357
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,319
yeah yeah i wanted to say they're on the

1358
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,359
uh you know you said oh you've made it

1359
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:26,640
big and

1360
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,920
you know you know quit your day job and

1361
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,040
i have to say well clearly that's failed

1362
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,559
because you're here talking to me

1363
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,160
[Laughter]

1364
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,760
it's just it's again though that's

1365
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,920
managing expectations i think everyone

1366
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,760
who starts doing any kind of creative

1367
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,599
pursuit even though you know well no i'm

1368
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,119
not doing it i'm not doing it for money

1369
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:45,760
i'm not doing it for

1370
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,839
for fame but you would like to think

1371
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,520
that you will have some kind of level of

1372
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:51,920
success and

1373
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,520
i have had a level of success it but for

1374
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,240
me though the success is when i get

1375
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,000
someone who who messages me and he says

1376
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:59,680
uh i really like that i really like that

1377
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,040
track that you did or or i'll release a

1378
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,240
new track and and i'll get a message

1379
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,800
that says oh this is the best one you've

1380
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:06,480
ever done or i'll get some really nice

1381
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,319
comments or someone will share something

1382
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,079
i've done on reddit or

1383
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:11,920
or wherever you and and it'll get back

1384
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,680
to me that people are appreciating what

1385
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,040
i'm doing because otherwise i'm just a

1386
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,880
guy

1387
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,160
sitting in a three meter by two meter

1388
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,359
room

1389
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,280
singing in a in a posh voice whilst i

1390
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:25,680
pretend that my acoustic guitar is a

1391
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,400
loot which if you break it down to that

1392
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,520
is a is essentially a mid-life crisis at

1393
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,880
best and

1394
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,880
a nervous breakdown at worst

1395
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,240
well my midlife crisis was learning to

1396
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,440
ride a motorcycle uh so i don't know uh

1397
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,400
mine was a hell of a lot more dangerous

1398
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,559
so at least you've got that going for

1399
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,559
you

1400
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,079
i wanted to add on that and obviously i

1401
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,760
don't make music but i make this this

1402
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:51,520
podcast and

1403
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,760
a lot of it i was thinking that when you

1404
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,520
were talking that

1405
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,760
yeah i think when everybody starts in

1406
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,280
any creative endeavor there is that

1407
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,800
i what i want you know obviously it's

1408
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,760
human nature to be like i want this to

1409
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,200
be

1410
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,800
i want to reach as many people as

1411
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,640
possible because as you said i think

1412
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,960
what i do is good so

1413
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,800
you want to kind of increase

1414
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,079
the amount of people that can consume

1415
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,000
good content

1416
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:16,160
but i have to say no matter you know

1417
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,000
watching the numbers go up and down of

1418
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,480
listeners whatever it's kind of

1419
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,440
two-dimensional but what matters more

1420
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:26,079
you know what impacts my day much more

1421
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,359
is when i'll have a message or someone

1422
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,800
will

1423
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:30,559
just tweet and provide a link to the

1424
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,920
episode that just says oh i listened to

1425
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,200
this and it was really good and i'm like

1426
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,880
man that's

1427
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,160
that's pretty wild because i never

1428
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,280
didn't really have you know like an

1429
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,480
internet presence beforehand at all so

1430
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,000
you know the people i knew were the

1431
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,880
people i knew in real life

1432
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,440
so to go from that to like some person

1433
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,319
in across the atlantic

1434
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,400
has

1435
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:52,000
you know messaged me or or referenced me

1436
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,000
in some way to say

1437
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,079
i've increased the happiness of their

1438
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,079
day that's that's mad that's bonkers

1439
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,440
when i get i get messages i've i mean

1440
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,520
various different kind of group chats

1441
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,680
and what have you and you know i've had

1442
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,119
i've had messages from friends of mine

1443
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,680
who've said have you listened to donald

1444
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:14,319
trump's latest show you know it's people

1445
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,839
that the idea that there are people who

1446
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:18,160
might just be talking about and you

1447
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:20,400
don't even know about it but someone

1448
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,280
someone on any given week is probably

1449
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,160
mentioning you to one of their mates

1450
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,680
and like that's that's mind-blowing like

1451
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,680
recently you did an episode with john

1452
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,040
from taylor the manticore oh yeah we

1453
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,720
i've got i've got a tale of the

1454
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,960
manticore channel

1455
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,400
in my in my discord where me and my

1456
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,240
mates talk about what's happening in

1457
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,040
sale of the month ago because we're so

1458
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:43,920
invested in it and john is in he's just

1459
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,680
a normal bloke like you or i who puts

1460
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,520
out content

1461
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,920
yet there are people you know there are

1462
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,200
people who are who are so invested in

1463
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,520
his storytelling in his his podcast that

1464
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,000
they're just completely separate from

1465
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,200
him talking about his characters you

1466
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,119
know there are there are people that

1467
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,240
will be doing that for for your podcast

1468
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,599
there are people that do that for my

1469
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,920
podcast

1470
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,440
and that that is

1471
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,200
that's an incredible level of success

1472
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,359
when you think about it yeah that you

1473
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,359
that you are impacting people's life

1474
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:16,400
even when they are not directly

1475
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:18,319
consuming your your media mm-hmm

1476
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,520
it's pretty cool yeah absolutely

1477
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:21,359
absolutely and thank you for providing

1478
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,559
that reference uh for those listening

1479
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:24,000
you can go and listen to the episode

1480
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,599
with john from town of the montague i

1481
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,960
think the episode is uh story off the

1482
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,280
top of my head which i believe is the

1483
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,480
openness to this season which was a

1484
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,240
really really really good episode i mean

1485
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,400
they all are but uh

1486
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,800
that one was it was uh had a certain

1487
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,850
sequoia shall we say this one sucks with

1488
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,119
stewart don't listen to this one

1489
00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:43,359
[Laughter]

1490
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:45,920
55 minutes in yeah stop listening to

1491
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:47,359
this this is bad

1492
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,079
to the two people that have made it this

1493
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:52,720
far of course

1494
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:54,319
i'm joking of course um

1495
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,520
well uh on that note is there anything

1496
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:57,520
that you wanted to talk about about

1497
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,000
music that we we haven't got around to

1498
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:02,319
yet well interestingly one of the things

1499
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,319
that that well i thought about when i

1500
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:06,160
was coming on was the idea of music in

1501
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:08,720
podcasts so

1502
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,960
i don't listen to many

1503
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:13,200
ttrpg podcasts despite being a cast

1504
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,680
member on one i've listened to bits and

1505
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,839
bobs and the one that has has absolutely

1506
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,119
gripped me is taylor the monte carl and

1507
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:21,200
i think that

1508
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:23,680
that john's use of music entailing the

1509
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,680
monte carl is really really good so we

1510
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,440
don't have any music

1511
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,440
on my show on dyson desire the only

1512
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,680
music we have are intro songs which i

1513
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,319
record as a recap at the start of the

1514
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,119
episode then there is no incident and no

1515
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:38,640
incidental music no music bed it's just

1516
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,319
dry audio

1517
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,559
because for me

1518
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:45,599
the idea of of putting music on the

1519
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:47,920
podcast i would want to be composing

1520
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,839
original music for the pod to go out

1521
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,319
every week i'd want to be scoring it

1522
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:54,000
like a film yeah and i can't i can't do

1523
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:55,440
that you know it'd be it'd be a

1524
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,440
full-time job for me to score the

1525
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,119
podcast as a film

1526
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,200
so when i list when i first started

1527
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:03,760
listening to taylor the manticore what

1528
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,119
struck me was the way that john treats

1529
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,240
the music

1530
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:09,280
more like a computer game than like a

1531
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:12,480
movie

1532
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,559
and i think that that's the way to go so

1533
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,240
by that i mean rather than having

1534
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,240
specific music for specific things

1535
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,240
although he does sometimes drop you know

1536
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,760
new things in for a

1537
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,559
particular character or a particular

1538
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,240
event but generally speaking he's got a

1539
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:28,559
little library of music that he uses

1540
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:31,359
which you then become familiar with yeah

1541
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:34,319
and the music becomes almost a character

1542
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:35,440
in its own right and that's more akin to

1543
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:37,119
the way

1544
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,720
music is in computer games you know you

1545
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,480
think about

1546
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:42,400
essentially two types of music that used

1547
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,440
in computer games

1548
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,280
one is

1549
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,880
something called horizontal resequencing

1550
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,480
which is the idea that

1551
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,160
as something changes in the game you

1552
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,680
just switch to a different loop of music

1553
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,839
so an example of that would be something

1554
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,839
like mario kart you know you're driving

1555
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:58,000
around you've got the music you pick up

1556
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:59,839
the star and it's

1557
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,079
and it just shifts the other the other

1558
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:04,000
type of music is a linear loop which is

1559
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:07,040
just a great big long loop of music

1560
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:10,240
background music that doesn't

1561
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,599
get impacted by the action so a lot of

1562
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,520
games a lot of

1563
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,960
a lot of combat games you've got all the

1564
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,800
sounds

1565
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,640
but the music itself is just background

1566
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,000
music that doesn't change and i think

1567
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,400
that that's one of the things that john

1568
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,800
does really well and it

1569
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,480
struck me as being a different approach

1570
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,119
to the way that i would have done it and

1571
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,599
i think if i was going back to the start

1572
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:33,280
and starting my podcast again

1573
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,359
that is what i would do

1574
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,359
i would have a little library of music

1575
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:39,440
and it's it's it's the same way that you

1576
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:40,960
describe really the

1577
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,359
the way that you use music when you're

1578
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,960
dm and in person you don't think right

1579
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:46,559
i'm at this point we're going to have

1580
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,240
this piece of music because it's you

1581
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,640
just you've got a playlist and you put

1582
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:53,440
it on so that's something that i

1583
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:56,400
that i have learned from consuming other

1584
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,160
people's media that if i could go back

1585
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,680
and start our podcast again i think i'd

1586
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,119
like to do i think it'd be weird if i

1587
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,640
all of a sudden started chucking music

1588
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:06,480
in it now

1589
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,559
you know we're 69 episodes deep into uh

1590
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,559
into the ap now so it'd be

1591
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:13,119
very odd if all of a sudden episode 70

1592
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:14,799
the production value changed completely

1593
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:16,880
you just got to do it slowly just like

1594
00:55:14,799 --> 00:55:19,280
half a song every episode until you've

1595
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,280
built up

1596
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,440
like uh like like building up your

1597
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,839
tolerance to a poison you have a little

1598
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,680
bit at a time yeah

1599
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:28,799
and then we'll notice and it will it

1600
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,280
will work great and then you'll be half

1601
00:55:28,799 --> 00:55:32,280
as good as that symmetrical

1602
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,599
do i do love that [ __ ] i do i'm upset

1603
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:39,359
i'm properly obsessed with taylor the

1604
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:42,160
money car i really am

1605
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:44,640
it's a fantastic show fantastic show uh

1606
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:47,040
awesome so i think that that pretty much

1607
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,960
brings us to the end of today's

1608
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,920
discussion but as always there's

1609
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,319
definitely more to be said um i feel

1610
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,880
like i haven't mind your experience and

1611
00:55:54,319 --> 00:56:01,640
expertise enough probably because of my

1612
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,640
own lack thereof uh

1613
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:06,079
but such is life

1614
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,880
so is there anything you would like to

1615
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:11,119
promote yeah absolutely so um

1616
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,520
people can find me pretending to be a

1617
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,559
bard uh an actual bad pretending to be a

1618
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,640
bard

1619
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:18,240
on the dyson desire podcast that's my

1620
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,599
kind of main home

1621
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,559
uh incredibly proud of of our podcast we

1622
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:24,240
are

1623
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:26,079
choking cheese with with manticore

1624
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:28,559
really we're very silly but we've got a

1625
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:30,960
great bunch of players uh we've

1626
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:32,559
again we get some really great feedback

1627
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,799
from from people listening to the show

1628
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:37,599
so people can find us dice and desire

1629
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:40,880
we're everywhere that podcasts are i'm

1630
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:43,440
on youtube at dweasel vanz affair which

1631
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,880
is a an absolute pain to spell so it's

1632
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,359
probably best that people just find me

1633
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,520
on twitter at this is bard core and then

1634
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:51,520
my links are all through there i'm on

1635
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,359
spotify and everywhere else under the

1636
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,920
artist name this is bard core it's

1637
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:57,200
stylized as all one word i've got one

1638
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,880
thing that i would like to kind of

1639
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,680
briefly i've got like a

1640
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:05,440
a spoiler but an exclusive for you if

1641
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,839
i'm out yet please so i am currently

1642
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,680
working with a couple of very very

1643
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:12,960
talented people one of them

1644
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:15,760
is is a friend of a friend of the show

1645
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:18,640
mike hibbert oh yep so i'm working with

1646
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,799
mike and a guy called ross who's a

1647
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,720
fantastic artist and we are going to be

1648
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:24,960
publishing our

1649
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:28,240
very first game

1650
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:31,440
i'll say soon but but the word soon is

1651
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,440
how long is a piece of string um it's a

1652
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,200
storytelling collaborative storytelling

1653
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game which

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is unique because music is at the heart

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of it okay so as part of our game

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when you play the game you pick up you

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pick an album or a playlist of songs and

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that album or that playlist of songs

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help to mold the storytelling in the

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game so rules rules-like

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gm-less collaborative storytelling game

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that's based around the idea it's based

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in a world of of music and motorbikes

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and it's called halcyon days motorcycle

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nights and it will be coming

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soon soon question mark

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as soon as we're currently we're

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00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:17,359
currently play testing so the game is

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written and we are play testing and uh

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it will be coming i think we're gonna

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i think we're gonna put it up on itch.io

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first of all and then

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maybe

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look for a crowdfunder

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to to produce a physical copy of the

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game as well amazing well that is and of

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course as you said mike has been on on

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the show before an episode season one on

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podcasts is the meta title of that

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00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,920
episode so uh everyone can go and check

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00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,760
out that as well and my my network of

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00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,280
friends of the shows is uh ever

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increases but that's awesome news to

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00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,319
hear and um obviously everything you've

1685
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,920
mentioned including your unspellable uh

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00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:58,160
youtube link will be in the episode

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,359
description so people can click it there

1688
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,920
rather than type it out for their

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00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:04,079
convenience otherwise all that's left to

1690
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,880
say is uh thank you ever so much for for

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joining me on this sunday morning stuart

1692
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,440
well thanks for having me man it's been

1693
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:15,040
a really really nice way to uh to stay

1694
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,040
out of the rain for uh for an hour

1695
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,799
and you know there's like 70 hours of

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00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,920
content if you want you know me to keep

1697
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:23,200
you company if you have to go out in the

1698
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,400
rain uh you know absolutely so you know

1699
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,680
otherwise uh

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thanks to everyone for listening at home

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,880
as usual everything will be in the

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,440
episode description so please do check

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00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,520
out all of uh stuart stuffs and dice and

1704
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,280
desire not dyson desire as a joke i've

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00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:42,640
made previously on twitter which was a

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00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,640
career highlight of mine i have to say

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00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,040
but though please do check it all out

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00:59:44,839 --> 00:59:49,520
otherwise thank you all for listening

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00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,119
and good night

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00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,319
and now it's time for the patreon shout

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00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:55,119
outs

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00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:57,680
huge huge huge thank you to a great

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00:59:55,119 --> 01:00:00,079
friend of the show matthew perkins who's

1714
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,640
out there making hilarious and

1715
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,440
educational dungeons and dragons content

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01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,160
please go and check out his stuff at

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01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,559
matthewperkins.net where you can find

1718
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,079
links to all of his socials and all of

1719
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:11,839
his content including his own patreon

1720
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,599
which i would very much encourage you to

1721
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:16,480
check out

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01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:18,400
thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

1723
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,680
on twitter for supporting the show

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01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,680
if you need support running your

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01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,880
personal or business schedule head to

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01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,559
virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

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01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,640
make that difference between should do

1728
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:30,480
and done boss it better with support

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01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,799
from cat who will help you get back that

1730
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,319
essential time you've been searching for

1731
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:36,160
if you would like to support what we do

1732
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:38,880
and get four shout outs a month head

1733
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,400
over to patreon.com thinking critically

1734
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,410
or you can just buy me a coffee at

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01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:51,420
kofi.com thinking critically

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