Motivation

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welcome thinkers to season four episode

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two of thinking critically this is the

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first episode in the new two weekly

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cycle so for those who don't know we are

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going to move to every other friday for

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new episodes hopefully this will give

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you a chance to catch up on seasons one

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through three

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otherwise the only other thing to add is

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i am now streaming kind of on twitch

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both my homebrew dnd campaign you've

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heard throughout this show and also

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occasionally some of my favorite video

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games so you can find me at twitch.tv

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thinking critically

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otherwise let's get on with the show

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today's topic is motivation

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today this is a very special episode

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as once again i am joined by my friends

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at table chop journeys josh leunica and

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glenn thank you ever so much for joining

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us today guys can you tell us a little

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bit about yourselves on the show yeah

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absolutely thank you dan low thank you

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for having us so this is josh uh from

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tabletop journeys of course joined with

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my uh my erstwhile co-hosts uh glenn and

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lewinika and uh you know daniel i love

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that we uh have the opportunity to do

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this again honestly like coming on your

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show last year was one of the highlights

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of our year last year and i'm really

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glad that we've been able to collaborate

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on a couple of projects and that uh and

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that we're back on thinking critically

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this could be a good time

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uh so tabletop journeys is a a podcast

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largely about uh well has had a lot of

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content about dungeons and dragons 5e

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but is really all about uh tabletop

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role-playing games in general uh we do

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two episodes a week uh on saturdays we

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release uh discussion style episodes

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where we will talk about a particular

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mechanic or a particular game session or

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uh anything really to do with any aspect

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of tabletop gaming you know we love uh

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you know like we say on our show we we

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love having awesome people come in to

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talk about the awesome things that

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they're doing um so tabletop creators

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who are putting out kickstarter

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campaigns or writing their own games and

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everything like that you know we love

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having uh having them on uh we do so

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rules deep dive stop type type stuff on

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on saturdays uh and then uh tuesdays uh

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are actual play days and so we do a

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variety of actual play campaigns uh we

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do a uh

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a campaign with our patreon subscribers

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which is a tremendous amount of fun

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they're they're deep in the feywild

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right now so that's a that's a good time

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for everybody uh

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but we also feature other games on there

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too um the subscribers to our show

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probably just heard or probably in the

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middle of hearing uh the actual play

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that we did with the folks that created

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a powered by the apocalypse build based

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on the real thing um back in uh a couple

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months ago we uh with you we had our

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against the dark master uh ap which was

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uh which was fun and so so far so much

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yeah tuesdays are ap days uh saturdays

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are when we get to go ahead and uh pull

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out our our notebooks and our pocket

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protectors and our our spectacles and uh

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and do really geeky deep dive and to uh

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rules and mechanics and talk to awesome

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people so that's basically and uh yeah

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of course i'm one of those awesome

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people yeah you are yeah exactly you

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were on our uh we did we did that

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two-part space episode uh when uh when

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we were on your show last year so uh and

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we're awesome at the time that we met

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last time uh glenn wasn't able to join

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us i think he had just joined the crew

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actually at the point that we did that

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interview so uh i had i was like two

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weeks in yeah green

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didn't want to throw him to the wolves

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just yet you know because uh because you

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know danielle you are a tough interview

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really i mean very intense uh uh you

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know very very very harsh critic of uh

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take no prisoners yeah very formal every

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gray hair on this beard came after that

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i was still kind of in my interview

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slash uh orientation process and they

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hadn't decided that they could trust

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probation better word they hadn't

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decided yet if they could trust me in

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front of an international audience human

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resources said if there was paperwork

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yet it was a mess yeah it was awful that

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was uh i was all the way back

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approximately february 2021 yes season

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one episode 18 i could see from that was

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a year ago yeah uh yeah wow

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yeah almost almost to the day yeah it's

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funny our time flies in it and i'm

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honored to still be obviously in in

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frequent contact with you guys so again

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thanks for coming back i guess

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thanks for having us i tell people all

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the time whether you and i are speaking

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directly or not you and i are talking

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weekly because i'm listening to your

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show all the time um you know um there

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were a couple weeks where i missed an

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episode or two or i've decided look i

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really like that episode so i'm gonna

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i'm gonna definitely come back to that

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episode so you know i have i have like a

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playlist of podcasts that i'm

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re-listening to because it it really um

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helps

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my creative process

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oh i'm very happy to be uh helping you

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with that uh although you're not as good

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a fan anymore because you've missed a

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couple of episodes so yeah

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yeah yeah yeah

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episode by the way so that's that is a

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podcast that i found just to talk about

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how great your show is first of all

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uh

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so that was a podcast that i had found

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years ago that i put on like whenever i

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need something

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sort of irreverent and ridiculous and

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funny like

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shawn and flop is amazing uh and so i

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loved the interview that you did with

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with uh with those cats that was a that

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was a lot of fun so

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yeah yeah an interesting one again as

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they all are but uh

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topic of today's episode

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motivation so

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gentlemen

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what does that mean to you in the dnd

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and wider ttrpg framework luinika why

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don't you start with this one yeah yeah

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i'll jump in as i did in our previous

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episode it means two different

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it means similar things but two

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different things depending on if you're

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talking about from the player

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perspective or the storyteller

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perspective so i'm going to jump right

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in from the player perspective

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here and just talk about the fact that

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it really is the inciting incident it

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the why

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player characters do a thing um

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and as much as i'm a background guy

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that's rarely the why that's the

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perspective

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right so motivation to me is

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why do they leave the farm

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why do they attack the castle um and

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and there's an element of that that

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players have to bring to their character

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and they have to build into their

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character so no matter where they want

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to go with this character what class

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what lineage what features what feats

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none of that there's no mechanic for

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motivation

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it is something that needs to be written

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into the story that's the storyteller

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piece but it is also something that each

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individual player has to bring to their

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character so they have to decide

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you know why does john mcclane deal with

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all these guys because his wife is there

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and because he's a cop and it's the

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right thing to do so he's going to go do

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the hard thing uh he doesn't want to

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have to do the hard thing in fact most

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of die hard was him not wanting to do

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the hard thing you know oh come to the

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party have a good time right but he did

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his motivation was because at the end of

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the day he's a guy who does the right

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thing

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and i think that's that's what i think

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of when i think of motivation and that

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doesn't have to be every character's

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motivation it can be the coin right it

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can be the adventure it can be all of

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these other things but i think

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motivation is uniquely that one piece of

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the game

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that does not have a specific mechanic

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unless there's a spell that forces you

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to do that and that's a whole different

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agency discussion which was a great

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episode you did previously

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thank you

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you know i never i'd never thought of it

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as is that

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despite reading the book a lot and

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making the number of characters in my

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time it escaped me that

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that motivates like there isn't a more

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clearer way to help new players make

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some motivational

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piece for their characters i always say

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to the guys in my game when they're

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making new characters which two two have

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had to recently i've said from day one

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i'm like guys make sure you have a

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reason to go adventuring like something

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has to be quite big here to push you out

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one of the guys came back with a whole

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bunch of stuff and i was like i love it

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sounds great but what

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there isn't anything really there that

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would push you away from that because

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like your family are fine the world is

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fine as you know it there's no reason

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why would you why would you travel with

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these bunch of murderous strangers to go

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and do some random mission that

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somebody's

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you know

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you know just told you allegedly told

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you that is of utmost importance like

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there needs to be something quite

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compelling there i can't let's work

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together to try and

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divide it out of what you've got so far

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and that is

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well difficult yeah sometimes i mean i

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actually think that when

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uh in the wheel of time series and for

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in the first season of the wheel of time

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you know when you kind of got moraine

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and you've got like this group of of

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hillbillies from the two rivers that

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have never known anything except for the

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village that they grew up in the

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reticence that they showed about

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about the quest that they were being put

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on and told you know you are the people

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that have to go ahead and do this like

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there is there is nobody else

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you are the people you are the ones that

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have to go and do this and the reticence

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that they showed kind of throughout that

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entire

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jaunt into the the murderous mouth of

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evil

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was so tangible and so palpable it's

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like yep that's believable like i can

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imagine you know if somebody showed up

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at my door

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right now and said hey you know josh i

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hate to tell you you're the chosen one

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you need to leave behind everything that

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you've ever known and come with me

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i think reticence would be would be kind

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of the uh the first word that would pop

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to mind and there'd be several

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four-letter words that followed shortly

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thereafter so or or even

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a happy uh sought-off this is not

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happening right yeah yeah exactly you

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get the wrong cat like that's not my bag

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and that's the thing about trying to

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motivate players you know you're

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100 percent right leonika part of it's

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got to come from the player themselves

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that's why when we've talked about

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session zero before in the social

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contract we've made a point of saying

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you need to talk to your players and say

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that it's not just my responsibility to

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keep the game together and make it fun

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for you it's everybody's responsibility

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so you have to come up with that reason

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why you want to be involved with these

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other jokers or you know if you decide

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to rob them all and run home you're

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going to have a really boring night by

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yourself yeah

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so everybody's got to work on coming up

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with their own motivation for they want

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why they want to be part of it

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but then story can also motivate the

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downside there being

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the danger of perception

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right because going with the wheel of

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times series which is an amazing show

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and i've been reading the books since i

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was like a sophomore in high school and

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they came out like one every two years

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forever and then they and then robert

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jordan died

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oh god and then his son took it's been

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crazy like i've been a fan i've been in

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this for the long haul guys

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um he's the og wheeler yeah well i've

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got some compatriots out there with me

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marty's been reading it as long as i

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have one of the our patreons and uh fans

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of our show

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and friend of ours but anyway i digress

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but when you're motivating with story

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you've either got a craft you gotta as a

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storyteller from that perspective craft

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it well

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or

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handle it delicately to avoid the the

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scary word railroad

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um because when you're like well you're

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gonna go on this quest because otherwise

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you're gonna burn and kill everybody in

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your entire village

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yeah you know some if you if you present

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it wrong sometimes players can bulk but

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hopefully if everybody's on the same

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page of the social contract and trying

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to work together that won't be the case

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um because otherwise how would the

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reluctant hero ever get drug in

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the answer there is if you're gonna if

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you're trying to play that reluctant

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hero you've got to come up with your

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motivations you've got to come up with

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your reasons why you want to stay

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involved why you want to step out the

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door why you want to do the next right

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thing or the next cool thing or the next

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dangerous thing depending on you know

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your motivation

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i would uh to kind of use the wheel of

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time since that seems to be the great

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example that we have here today

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if i were running that as an rpg

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i would probably not have role played

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the preamble that we saw in episode one

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i would have started that campaign in

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media res with the trollic attack

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however in my session zero i would have

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said

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how are we building these characters and

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i would have said okay now that we have

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these characters that everybody wants to

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play let's find ways to weave you all

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together so your perspective is you're

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all friends you've grown up together you

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have complicated relationships but

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they're tight relationships despite

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those complications and just kind of

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weave that into the fabric of this is

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where we start so when we start in the

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middle of this festival and trollocs are

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attacking

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defending each other taking care of each

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other's family

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getting each other to safety looking out

385
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for each other that's where we start

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and that hopefully would provide that in

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and out of game motivation

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so that they can then move forward and

389
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allow them to role play the reticence

390
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knowing that

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at the end of those role play scenes

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they're still going on the adventure

393
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that to me would be how i would do the

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wheel of time if i were to try to

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recreate that type of scenario because i

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think that would be very difficult to

397
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take these people built play a couple

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sessions or play a session where you're

399
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home you're enjoying it this is where

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you want to be and then say oh by the

401
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way people attack and then they're going

402
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to chase you down and burn your whole

403
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village and i think what would have

404
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happened in that moment would have been

405
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just that the dreaded rr you know it

406
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would have been the railroad at that

407
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point because then it's like but what if

408
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i don't want to leave are they going to

409
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attack then anyway or you're just making

410
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me do this whereas if you start the game

411
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with the we're going on the adventure

412
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we're going to start in media res

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and here's where you go i think that

414
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would work best and i mean exactly that

415
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the difference that i would make if i

416
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was running the wheel of time because

417
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you're spot on the biggest difference

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that i would make to motivate them would

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be including key pieces and it's

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difficult because trollings don't speak

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english

422
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but mirror drill do

423
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right so the ilist yeah i don't think

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they've actually called the mirror

425
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drilled in the show yet but that's their

426
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problem

427
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although that might not be the way it's

428
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pronounced because like to me naive's

429
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name is nev and has been for i don't

430
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know 30 years but

431
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if you put in that piece that makes it

432
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obvious to them

433
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obvious to each player character that

434
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they are after them specifically whether

435
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it's the eyeless pointing them out and

436
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saying that one or

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something that makes it so that it's not

438
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a question dude these guys are here for

439
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us and our friends and family are in

440
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danger because of us

441
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that's that last piece that'll help push

442
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a player i think in the motivating

443
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factor absolutely

444
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yeah something i

445
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is a mistake but i always like to bring

446
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in my mistakes on the show because i

447
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like to other people to learn from them

448
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so

449
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i've already done the hard work for you

450
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[Laughter]

451
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is i i foolishly way back when i started

452
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my gimmick of trying to get the players

453
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together was that they were they'd been

454
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summoned to the ruler of the city's

455
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castle he's got a job for them but

456
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looking at their backstory their payment

457
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was going to be something unique to them

458
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so that in the letters he sent each of

459
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them individually was like i know that

460
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you're here because of xyz because i'm

461
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the leader and i know everything

462
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if you do this mission for me i will

463
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give you this piece of information or i

464
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know you're trying out you're running

465
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from the law so i can give you amnesty

466
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,720
if you do this thing for me which on

467
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paper i was like hey that's great it

468
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gets them all together and it gets them

469
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all on this first mission

470
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which is great

471
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except that that first mission was like

472
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the prologue of the story yeah so once

473
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the world opened up and there was a

474
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bigger thing to do

475
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i'm very lucky that my players

476
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were just like yeah we'll just go with

477
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it because

478
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there wasn't in hindsight really

479
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enough impetus there from me to be like

480
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okay but why don't you specifically you

481
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five you've done your job you've got

482
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your payment from the the city owner guy

483
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why would you still want to go on to

484
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this

485
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big scary thing that somebody's saying

486
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is big and scary that you should

487
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definitely go and do yeah other than

488
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nah i'm done like

489
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i've done my bit wash my hands goodbye

490
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made my money got my scars yeah

491
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man i try to think i think it was when

492
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we were doing one of our subclass

493
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episodes i think it was the rangers when

494
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we were talking about

495
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um and the the name escapes me because

496
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like i'm in gaming hangover this morning

497
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uh uh the the one that basically sits in

498
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the woods growing mushrooms and and

499
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having animal friends the the is that

500
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the gluten or the the swamp whatever

501
00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,640
whatever that one keeper swarm keeper

502
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yes yes the swarm keeper right that was

503
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one of my big takeaways after reading

504
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through the swarm keeper is why would

505
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this character ever be an adventurer

506
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this is a character that by model is

507
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content to sit around in his mud hut

508
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tending to his mushrooms and you know

509
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making sure that his moss isn't

510
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disturbed by whatever creature is

511
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running through it at that particular

512
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moment in time and so like that was

513
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i i found that was

514
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a tricky bit to go ahead and be like why

515
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would this why would they actually want

516
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to be an adventurer um and just recently

517
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we talked about the the new stricthaven

518
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book and there were pieces of that that

519
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were the same thing like uh there's a

520
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the book's been out for a couple of

521
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months so i won't spoil it but there is

522
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a party and there's a moment where one

523
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of the other goers at the party gets ill

524
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and you're supposed to want to follow

525
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this character and find out why they got

526
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ill and i'm like dude i've i've been at

527
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that party like

528
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when someone is like holding their mouth

529
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and running to the restroom the impulse

530
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is not oh what's going on with with

531
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timmy you know

532
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it's let's give timmy some space maybe a

533
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glass of water and open a window like

534
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that's yeah like he'll need some aspirin

535
00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,600
in a couple hours you know like that's

536
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that lay off the backs yeah right

537
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you know we'll find him in the garden

538
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,760
later whatever somebody exactly somebody

539
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,280
somebody will hang out outside the room

540
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just to make sure he doesn't die in

541
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there and that's yeah yeah you know slap

542
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his face when they pour him into the cab

543
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we're adventurous not hair holders you

544
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,240
know it's like nuts

545
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with that with that

546
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,360
swarmkeeper example

547
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with those kind of things you can always

548
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take it to the extreme as well as the gm

549
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or the world builder to be like well

550
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it's the end of the world so your little

551
00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,880
haven in the forest will be destroyed

552
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and that's you know that as easy and

553
00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,080
possible but the thing i don't really

554
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,640
like

555
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,320
that too much not to i don't i'm not poo

556
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,720
pooing on i mean i've done it so yeah

557
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,720
but i don't know

558
00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:03,280
it's it's like a that's obviously the

559
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,120
extreme and b that reveals a little bit

560
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,600
too many of the cards from my liking

561
00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:10,000
like right at the beginning to be well

562
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,200
it's going to end just go and play my

563
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,200
game please

564
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,640
yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah

565
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:19,120
i am a big fan of finding unique and

566
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:22,640
interesting ways to personalize

567
00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:24,799
motivations and i actually just posted

568
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,280
on our facebook group about this just

569
00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:29,039
the other day because i saw a meme and i

570
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,120
put it on the group and i talked about

571
00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:31,919
my one of my own campaigns that i run

572
00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:34,080
the

573
00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:35,520
land of 18c's chronicles of powerstock

574
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,799
it's a wonderful

575
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,720
homebrew campaign that i run for some

576
00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:44,720
some good friends and

577
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:47,039
our kids like my 15 year old his 17 and

578
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,840
15 year old play and it's a wonderful

579
00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:51,440
time but when i started that campaign in

580
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,120
our local shop

581
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,200
i

582
00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:58,480
decided i wanted to do something

583
00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:01,120
different and i had just re-watched the

584
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,840
mark wahlberg film four brothers and i

585
00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:06,640
said how cool that you have these four

586
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,360
very different people their only tie is

587
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,080
this family that this this made family

588
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:14,320
this combined blended family their

589
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,000
adoptive mother and the fact that they

590
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,679
are tight they argue with each other

591
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,799
they don't get along they do different

592
00:20:17,679 --> 00:20:21,360
things they are very different

593
00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:24,000
personalities but they are brothers and

594
00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:26,240
they are tight and at the end of the day

595
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,799
even when one of them ended up a big

596
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,720
spoiler alert for a movie that came out

597
00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:31,919
in 2005

598
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,159
but um

599
00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:36,720
one of them ended up being the catalyst

600
00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:39,200
for the whole problem in the movie

601
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,240
um but he because his brothers were

602
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,720
there

603
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,679
he's like no and he turns on what he had

604
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:48,480
previously done and helps the family

605
00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:51,520
and i loved that concept and i said

606
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,840
that's a powerful motivation so i built

607
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,080
into this campaign and it was actually

608
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,400
the start of this campaign world

609
00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,240
an orphanage and the idea is all the

610
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,520
player characters were in the orphanage

611
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,320
that allows

612
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:08,720
any player to play anything they want

613
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:10,960
lineage background race whatever

614
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,720
but the one thing i said this is the

615
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,200
concept of the game

616
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,400
your love for your brothers

617
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,039
is not

618
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,120
ever going to be in question

619
00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:23,120
you can fight you can argue you can try

620
00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,440
to do whatever but when push comes to

621
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:27,600
shove you guys have each other's back

622
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,679
that's how we start this campaign now if

623
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,240
things change as the game goes that's

624
00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:34,240
your agency you do that but there is no

625
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,039
question of the bond you have for each

626
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,400
other

627
00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:40,400
and i love that as a motivation so as we

628
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,799
went on all i had to do is put one of

629
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:46,960
them in jeopardy and everybody was all

630
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:49,440
in done it was an amazing it has been

631
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,320
it's an ongoing campaign so it still is

632
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,480
a really powerful motivating factor like

633
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,159
when we're doing something and and one

634
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,000
of the players will be like

635
00:21:56,159 --> 00:22:00,000
he just threatened my brother i know

636
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,080
what we're doing next when you hear that

637
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,840
at your table you're like man all the

638
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,799
heavy lifting is done it doesn't have to

639
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:09,600
be a world ending plot it just has to be

640
00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:12,720
a bully at the bar a sheriff who's not

641
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,880
too cool or what have you they have each

642
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,120
other they worry about each other and

643
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,880
they don't always get along and i think

644
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:19,679
that's that's kind of what i think about

645
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,400
about

646
00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:24,080
alternate ways to motivate characters

647
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,000
when you build those

648
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,640
the background like i said is the

649
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,640
perspective the back story

650
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,559
can be the way to motivate there's not a

651
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,280
mechanic for backstory

652
00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:37,280
and there's tons of people talking about

653
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,000
oh don't get three page backstories you

654
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,600
know try to keep it to a paragraph and

655
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,559
there's all kinds of different opinions

656
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,880
on that

657
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:47,600
but if we as storytellers think about

658
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,120
backstory as our only way into the

659
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,679
motivation

660
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:53,360
that's probably a good place to start

661
00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:55,280
yeah but it can't stop there like that's

662
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,640
the other thing too is that absolutely

663
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,360
like that's the motivation to get

664
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,280
started i think that the the the fine

665
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:03,280
line that storytellers

666
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,120
that we need to walk as storytellers is

667
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:10,080
making sure that

668
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:11,600
we don't overly reward players so that

669
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,440
that the game kind of goes off the rails

670
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,240
right uh make sure that we kind of keep

671
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,159
like

672
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,840
keep hitting the little dopamine button

673
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:20,880
every once in a while so that the

674
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,559
players continue to want to move through

675
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,159
the machinations that we're putting in

676
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,919
front of them without ever kind of

677
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:26,960
second-guessing the initial motivation

678
00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:28,880
about why they came in there in the

679
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,720
first place so that's

680
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,799
rewards is a great motivating factor

681
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,880
but you have to tailor your rewards for

682
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:39,120
the level of the game i tend to think of

683
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,120
it in terms of tiers at tier one the

684
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,720
things that i reward are going to be

685
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:45,200
very different than the things i reward

686
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,440
in tier two and now that

687
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,400
both of my ongoing campaigns are in tier

688
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,840
three i am doing vastly different types

689
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,679
of rewards and it doesn't have to be

690
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,120
like physical rewards or money or stuff

691
00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:57,120
or either like it can just be like

692
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:59,200
satisfying story like one of the things

693
00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:02,960
that i loved doing

694
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:05,840
at my table is each game picks an aspect

695
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:08,000
of one player's background and

696
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,840
weaves it kind of into the story in some

697
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,080
way like player x has a complicated

698
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,360
relationship with his father and so that

699
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,880
means that

700
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,799
that is going to come into you know

701
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,960
maybe the big bad is somehow threatening

702
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:21,440
his home village and his father is under

703
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,480
threat or his father is in on it you

704
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,159
know we talk about the connection to the

705
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,760
wheel of time like maybe his father's in

706
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:27,520
on it and helping the big bad get into

707
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,640
the village for whatever reason you know

708
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,080
kind of playing on one aspect one one

709
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,520
bullet point from one player's

710
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,840
background

711
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,840
becomes a thread in the tapestry of the

712
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,200
game world as a whole so

713
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,880
ah so you know you were going with the

714
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,640
wheel of time reference again with the

715
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,640
weave right i'm telling you like that's

716
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,640
yeah

717
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,039
as someone who has not read the books i

718
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,279
am thoroughly enjoying the series for

719
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:55,039
what it is recognizing the challenges

720
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:56,159
for those who've read the books oh as a

721
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,440
person who read the books that's how i

722
00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,320
go into it too i'm like this is not

723
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,919
going to be like the books it's

724
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,279
impossible they couldn't do it so i'm

725
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:02,320
watching it as its own thing that's how

726
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,720
i'm still enjoying it because some

727
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,279
people are mad at eddie yeah yeah but

728
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,880
it's a wonderful suit visually stunning

729
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:13,360
but very well done and it really applies

730
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,440
to the tabletop game and the dnde

731
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:18,320
framework to bring us back to center a

732
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,520
little bit but it covers all of those

733
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,279
types of things and josh you're right

734
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,320
you got to continue the motivations have

735
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:25,919
to not always be tangible sometimes it's

736
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,320
so-and-so just gets recognition when he

737
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:30,400
goes to town oh that's so-and-so that's

738
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,000
a motivating factor you know it's like

739
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,600
firefly when jane goes to that planet

740
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,360
where they think he's a god

741
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,960
yeah exactly yeah right yeah do we go to

742
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,680
the crappy planet where everybody thinks

743
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,039
i'm a hero

744
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,880
[Laughter]

745
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,039
you said uh glenn there some people are

746
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,640
mad already uh regarding willa time and

747
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,559
i think you just you just described the

748
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,720
internet yeah pretty exciting that's

749
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,799
fair

750
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,760
but i really liked what we were saying

751
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,120
when we're talking about tying

752
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,720
backgrounds and not just about the

753
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,480
initial motivation but continuing on the

754
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,320
way that josh does it because we talk

755
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,400
about it all the time you know that's

756
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,760
i will never tell a player just just

757
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,760
just a paragraph or two for your

758
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,039
background is all i need because every

759
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,480
detail they give me unless they get

760
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,840
totally off the rails and start trying

761
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,039
to define the world for me at which

762
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,320
point you know we'll have a conversation

763
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,279
and work that out

764
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,440
but every detail they give you is a

765
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,600
piece of information that you can work

766
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,679
to make the game world come more to life

767
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,880
to add more motivation

768
00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:25,120
to their character for what they're

769
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,279
doing and why they're doing it

770
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,240
and if if you're not

771
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,000
looking into your character's

772
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,320
backstories and you're not trying to

773
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,559
find ways to motivate them that are

774
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,320
specific and personal to them you know

775
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:38,720
without being heavy-handed

776
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,400
you really really missing a gold mine of

777
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,840
an opportunity because

778
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,840
if they spent

779
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,520
hours writing this three-page background

780
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,799
and you read it and say hey that's

781
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,520
pretty cool and you never look at it

782
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:51,440
again it's not just not motivating it

783
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,720
could be very much demotivating in your

784
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,600
game to you know have them feel like

785
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,600
well i went through all that work and

786
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,960
you just don't even care yeah so paying

787
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,480
attention to what your character's

788
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,320
backstory says will also kind of tell

789
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,000
you what your character wants

790
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,520
and give you directions to help motivate

791
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,240
them yeah it'll definitely help you

792
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,120
figure out how to motivate folks i know

793
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,320
when i write backstories because i used

794
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:13,039
to write

795
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,400
epochs

796
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:17,600
novellas like

797
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,760
you know uh like really really long

798
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,159
detailed things and then i i've learned

799
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,919
since to pair that back significantly

800
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:25,520
you know sometimes that cannon needs to

801
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:27,919
remain head canon

802
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,279
but i still like doing a backstory one

803
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:31,600
it helps keep me focused on the

804
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:34,799
character look we're adults

805
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,279
i don't play any single game five days a

806
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:40,000
week i'm playing most games twice a

807
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:42,240
month some of them once a month or once

808
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,399
a quarter so to go from session to

809
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,480
session i need something to help me out

810
00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:48,159
so i have started doing and i actually

811
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,080
started this couple years ago with some

812
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:50,880
palladium games that glenn was working

813
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,840
on

814
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,320
just doing a bullet point timeline

815
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:59,919
and i would leave blanks i didn't name

816
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:02,960
cities i didn't name units i might name

817
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:05,679
a one or two specific npc characters

818
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,520
that i interacted with because

819
00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:10,080
in my head the name sounded really cool

820
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,000
together or whatever dalton and uh

821
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,320
kenzie come to mind like i named those

822
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,919
two characters i named almost nobody

823
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,679
else involved with that whole thing and

824
00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:20,240
his rival or whatever i named the main

825
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:22,559
character his love interest and his

826
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,159
romantic rival and his best friend slash

827
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,919
brother yeah

828
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:27,440
you know nobody else did i name and i

829
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:29,279
kind of talked about the type of unit

830
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,520
they were in but i didn't name the unit

831
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:33,679
or what have you i talked about the type

832
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,520
of community they came from but i didn't

833
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:37,760
name or place the location of the

834
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,840
community and then i left blanks like

835
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,200
okay so this is the year they met this

836
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,360
is the year they fell in love there's

837
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,200
like years in between and i said you

838
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,760
know fill in what you want anywhere in

839
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,600
here and and it's like you do whatever

840
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,240
you want with the rest of this these are

841
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,679
just the key points that matter to me

842
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,360
focusing on who the character is and

843
00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:56,640
what the character wants to do

844
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,880
and

845
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,159
glenn specifically is amazing with that

846
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,320
kind of thing and i think part of that

847
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:04,240
is we have a connection that goes back

848
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,559
for many more years than i deserve to be

849
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,440
on this planet but uh

850
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,880
that

851
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,720
we can kind of speak each other's

852
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,640
written language and unwritten language

853
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,799
so that it works really well and for

854
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,039
players to kind of be with their

855
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,640
storytellers long term

856
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:20,640
you'll get that i'm sure you have

857
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,399
players that you've been with long

858
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,919
enough where it's like you get what

859
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:26,159
they're driving at so you have the

860
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:28,399
ability to deliver what they're driving

861
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:30,880
at and that give and take just works

862
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:32,399
smoothly um i built that with glenn i

863
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,760
built that with josh so it's like

864
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:35,520
there's certain things that i can just

865
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,600
do and say and they know where i'm going

866
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,200
and then they can also very easily they

867
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,720
feel comfortable saying that's really

868
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,240
not what i was going for in this game i

869
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,159
like the idea maybe you can save that

870
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,159
for another one how about this so we can

871
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:48,480
kind of build on that and then we can go

872
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:50,320
forward with that but bullet points work

873
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,320
really well for backstories they can be

874
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,799
relatively short i think uh for dalton

875
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,880
that was a page and a half maybe if if

876
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:59,440
that when you gave it to me by the time

877
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,919
i was done with it i think it was three

878
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,120
um but i mean again you're not wrong we

879
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,720
know each other well enough and we've

880
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,880
been playing with each other long enough

881
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,440
that once you handed me your backstory i

882
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,039
knew exactly what to do with it to make

883
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,640
it the kind of story for the character

884
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,039
you were trying to play

885
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,720
and it was easy to keep

886
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,480
dalton motivated as we moved through

887
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,159
that game just because of all the

888
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,240
heartstrings that you handed me on a

889
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:25,120
silver platter that i could play yeah

890
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,399
yeah when i do back stories will hand my

891
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,679
storyteller

892
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:30,000
pathos

893
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:31,919
tangible issues and some kind of

894
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,399
screw-up that my character did in the

895
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:36,480
past so you have a way to say this is

896
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:38,480
coming back to bite you you have a way

897
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,480
to say this is the issue that you have

898
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,320
to fix and then you have a way to say

899
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,799
this is the lesson you learned what do

900
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,480
you do with that

901
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,720
i love that point there even if you made

902
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:52,000
around the way you

903
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,840
architected your backstory there because

904
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,720
and it's very important to me because i

905
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,840
felt

906
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,840
not the pain but the challenge of having

907
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,440
a player as i said one of my more recent

908
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,519
players is having to make a new

909
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,120
character and they're all level 10s like

910
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,640
midway through campaigns there's a bit

911
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080
more baggage that has to there's a bit

912
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,919
more hoops they have to jump through to

913
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,600
be like not just why do you want to go

914
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:14,480
adventuring it's why do you want to go

915
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,399
adventuring with these guys

916
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,480
because you can't you could have 101

917
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:20,159
fantastic reasons to go adventuring but

918
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,919
unfortunately you're kind of tied to

919
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:22,720
these guys now because

920
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:24,240
we're

921
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,679
two and a half years into the campaign

922
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960
so sorry

923
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:29,840
and he

924
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,480
has a very active imagination and loves

925
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,760
fantasy and loves popular culture so he

926
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,279
comes back with all this stuff and i'm

927
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,200
like it's great

928
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,039
i just have to think now quite a lot

929
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,320
about how that impacts the world and i

930
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,159
think it's

931
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,159
can be easy for players who are only

932
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:46,480
players to

933
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:47,919
get lost in their imagination

934
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,919
so for example he wanted to be in the

935
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:52,640
ladder and who are historically from the

936
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:54,880
feywild and they come to the material

937
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,399
plane every so often so it's like okay

938
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,039
here's a challenge for us

939
00:31:56,399 --> 00:32:00,720
i've got to think now aladrin feyrold

940
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,480
weren't really in my campaign before now

941
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,840
they are what does that mean for my

942
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,240
campaign you need to help we need to

943
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,320
work together on this to boundaries and

944
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,240
scope and stuff like that why would you

945
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,360
be traveling to the material plane is

946
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,320
that something that happens frequently

947
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,000
if so

948
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,279
i kind of need to now think about

949
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,480
incorporating that down the line and

950
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,600
maybe you meet another band of a ladder

951
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,159
and we're like oh hey we're on the

952
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,039
material plane we're here on holiday

953
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,480
yeah

954
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,240
it's great

955
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:28,720
spring break

956
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,640
spring break t-shirts balloons

957
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,799
i'm just picturing a group of aladdin

958
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,480
with little uh pocket cameras on the

959
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:37,440
cords walking around taking pictures of

960
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,279
proper tourists yeah of the eye

961
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,720
in london one at the front with a flag

962
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:43,840
on a stick yeah

963
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,840
so they know

964
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,880
uh yeah so that that was again a unique

965
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,960
challenge i love this and this is really

966
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,360
unique really special and really cool i

967
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,640
just need to think you know give me some

968
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,080
time which is why i always set a

969
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,919
deadline before playing a week ahead

970
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,279
because i'm like now i have a week to do

971
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:01,279
a whole bunch of world building to

972
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,960
integrate this kind of stuff but what

973
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,240
you described there that lunica around

974
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,480
like

975
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,279
almost like placeholder stuff to then

976
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,679
empower the dm to comfortably fit that

977
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,880
in a way which isn't just when everybody

978
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:15,440
joins back

979
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,519
oh yeah turns out we're in a world of

980
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,360
perpetual night because someone wanted

981
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,880
to be a drow isn't it there isn't this

982
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,000
whiplash because of

983
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,660
a single piece of information that has

984
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,089
made it awkward

985
00:33:25,660 --> 00:33:30,089
[Music]

986
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:36,799
[Music]

987
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:39,640
so

988
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:42,720
we've talked a lot about

989
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,080
motivating player characters

990
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,919
so to

991
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,919
sim it's the other side of the same coin

992
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:51,440
with a similar theme i want to hear

993
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:52,880
about what motivates us all as players

994
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,799
why do you keep coming back to the table

995
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,919
oh man

996
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,919
and that should see us through until

997
00:33:55,919 --> 00:34:00,720
tomorrow maybe yeah

998
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:02,559
maybe next week yeah like

999
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,399
wow so

1000
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,480
i want glenn to go first because i i

1001
00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:08,159
think i have a good answer but i want to

1002
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,119
i'll let go i answered the first one

1003
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,720
first

1004
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,240
why do you want me to go first what if i

1005
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:14,480
don't want to go first

1006
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:17,119
that's right i'm not scared

1007
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,960
the double r

1008
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,720
so what keeps us coming back to the

1009
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,560
table as players

1010
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:23,839
yeah yeah when you i was expecting you

1011
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,599
to go the storyteller route and how we

1012
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:27,119
keep ourselves motivated as storytellers

1013
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,520
but all right let's change that mindset

1014
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:31,280
that's my third question

1015
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,599
for hour number three yeah

1016
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,399
fun man i mean that's the biggest one

1017
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,200
fun

1018
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:36,399
fun

1019
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,919
and

1020
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:41,200
fantasy and a little bit of escape you

1021
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:42,560
know it's it's a chance to get out of

1022
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,520
my

1023
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,919
nine to five daily grind it's a chance

1024
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,399
to walk away from all the stress and

1025
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:51,359
crap going on out there in the real

1026
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:53,919
world

1027
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:56,159
and all of the the crazy things that we

1028
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:59,200
see on social media regardless of which

1029
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:01,760
side of which issue you're sitting on

1030
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,720
all of that gets really overwhelming and

1031
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,760
role-playing and sitting down to a table

1032
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:09,200
for a session of d and d or aliens or

1033
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,040
against the dark master doesn't really

1034
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,280
matter what game i'm playing

1035
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,800
it just gives me that

1036
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,240
aside from the social because that's a

1037
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,920
big piece of a term this is this is like

1038
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,280
a loaded question

1039
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,800
you get the social contact you're

1040
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,640
hanging out with your with your best

1041
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,240
friends hopefully or making new friends

1042
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,240
because that's awesome too

1043
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:29,359
and you get to just immerse yourself in

1044
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:31,839
this this other person who's

1045
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:34,160
larger than life in some way i don't

1046
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:35,680
like to make paragons of perfection is

1047
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,119
what was recently put out when we were

1048
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,640
working with limitless heroics it was

1049
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,720
one of the terms that was

1050
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,240
thrown out there and i loved it

1051
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:45,200
i don't usually make paragons of

1052
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:47,200
perfection but you know they're still

1053
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,280
heroes they're still larger than life

1054
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,359
you know they're still more capable than

1055
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,440
i living in a fantasy world doing

1056
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:54,800
amazing things

1057
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,640
you know it's a chance to step into the

1058
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,599
lord of the rings it's a chance to step

1059
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,119
into my favorite childhood fantasies so

1060
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,480
it's a no-brainer that's that's a whole

1061
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,040
lot of motivation right there and it

1062
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,200
keeps me coming back and has for

1063
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,560
i don't know 40 years now i mean with

1064
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,000
the exception of

1065
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,839
early part of being a dad when there's

1066
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,720
no time to do anything else but work and

1067
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:17,440
take care of kids um i've been playing

1068
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:19,520
since i was nine so yeah eight maybe

1069
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,240
eight yeah we've all been playing for a

1070
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,079
super long time and for me

1071
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,280
i absolutely hear

1072
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,040
what you're saying glenn about the

1073
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,720
ability to dive into your favorite

1074
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,000
fantasy worlds and the ability to go

1075
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:32,640
ahead and take a little piece of

1076
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,480
literature or a little piece of some

1077
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,400
world that someone has created and

1078
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,320
explore it in your own mind and explore

1079
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,640
at the table with your friends

1080
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,480
that is i don't say that that is no part

1081
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,640
of my motivation but that is only a very

1082
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,720
small part of my motivation my

1083
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,079
almost entirety

1084
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,800
almost the entirety of the motivation

1085
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:52,480
for me to come back to the table is

1086
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,560
it's my favorite way to hang out right

1087
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:58,079
with my friends right it is the most

1088
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,160
rewarding thing for me to see

1089
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:02,240
my friends

1090
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,079
in that awesome role-playing scenario

1091
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,240
and that is something that like man when

1092
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:10,400
when i think i think back to like some

1093
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:13,040
of the larping um that lunica and i did

1094
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,359
mumble years ago and how

1095
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,000
much we celebrated

1096
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:21,520
our friends victories

1097
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,359
especially when they came at our defeat

1098
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,480
right like that moment where it's like

1099
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:28,000
oh man

1100
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,480
uh what you did there just really uh

1101
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,240
that's that's i hate you for that and it

1102
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,720
was amazing

1103
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:36,560
those moments like you can't

1104
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,000
look i mean yeah i can do that at work

1105
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,440
but like no one's going to celebrate the

1106
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,359
fact that i just

1107
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,800
left over one of my people that that i

1108
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:44,880
work with like they frown on that in

1109
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,560
public society but at the game table

1110
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,000
right now

1111
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,240
right exactly yeah you know for good

1112
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,920
reasons you know hr involved uh uh you

1113
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:53,040
know but at the game table it's like for

1114
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,119
me

1115
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,359
seeing the ingenuity of the people that

1116
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:59,359
i'm sitting at the table with you know

1117
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:02,400
i love surrounding myself with smart

1118
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:05,839
creative interesting people and seeing

1119
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,839
them take their idea and execute it

1120
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:11,200
in a way that i didn't anticipate or

1121
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:13,520
that surprised me or made me laugh or or

1122
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,520
interested or whatever right like

1123
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,240
whatever emotion it stirs up in me

1124
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,720
seeing my friends do that is there is

1125
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,400
there is no drug on the world in the

1126
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:25,119
world that is better than that you know

1127
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,280
it's like it's like oh wow holy crap

1128
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,440
glenn just did something amazing and

1129
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,800
that's fantastic or like i mean i think

1130
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,800
that's like the against the dark master

1131
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,280
game like the number of times that

1132
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,280
something amazing happened in that brief

1133
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,839
like four or five hours that we played

1134
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:43,520
and i just sat back said holy [ __ ]

1135
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:46,560
wow that was so cool it was so solid oh

1136
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,560
so solid you know and like ah

1137
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,000
like i live for that i absolutely i like

1138
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,320
if i could bottle that and sell that i'd

1139
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,920
be a millionaire because like like there

1140
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,560
is there's just no feeling like that in

1141
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,320
the world and yeah absolutely

1142
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,839
yeah right exactly yeah you know and so

1143
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,079
that that's that's what kind of that's

1144
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:04,400
what keeps me coming back i kind of i'm

1145
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:05,680
always chasing that high that high of

1146
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,839
like

1147
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,680
i think that's kind of why i love kind

1148
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:11,119
of collaborative world building so much

1149
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,200
is because that's at the end of the day

1150
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,720
as a storyteller that's what i want to

1151
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,640
be doing even as a player that's what i

1152
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,640
want to do is i want to

1153
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,640
i want to share this

1154
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,520
aspect of creation with my friends and

1155
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,760
see

1156
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,760
where they're going to take it you know

1157
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,680
see how they can take the this nugget

1158
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,200
that i'm going to throw out there uh and

1159
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,040
where they're gonna go with it and and

1160
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,720
then when it comes back to me

1161
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,560
what has happened to it and now what can

1162
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:36,400
i do with it and and that sort of thing

1163
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,359
i love the collaborative aspect of it

1164
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,040
yeah well said collaborative creation i

1165
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:42,640
mean gel in the maker is my world

1166
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,560
builder name i call myself a maker

1167
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,320
because i love to create it doesn't

1168
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,320
matter what it is so very very very well

1169
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,480
said mine was mine was surface yours was

1170
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,359
deeper nice

1171
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,880
and his touches on the first note when

1172
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:57,359
you asked the question i wrote down

1173
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,560
which is i'm chasing the scene right

1174
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:03,119
yeah josh talked about you can't get a

1175
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,680
better feeling than that uh even if you

1176
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:07,920
could put it in a bottle um i've

1177
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,520
referred to it in a couple different uh

1178
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,040
episodes where i'm like i'm always

1179
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,920
there's like certain scenes and like

1180
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,240
that's why i do this um when we did our

1181
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,440
aliens broadcast there was there was a

1182
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:22,960
scene where our friend steve

1183
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,560
on the dna podcast his character shoots

1184
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,160
another character in the head and i i

1185
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,800
saw a telegraph i'm like that's the

1186
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,319
moment like i live for those moments

1187
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,960
when we were doing against the dark

1188
00:40:30,319 --> 00:40:35,760
master and we got into that conversation

1189
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,119
about road bacon um

1190
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,200
i live

1191
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:42,240
for those moments there's just something

1192
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,160
organic and creative it's like

1193
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:47,280
in the universe

1194
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,359
we deal with really complex physical

1195
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,800
laws there's nothing created that didn't

1196
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:53,119
come from something else right there's

1197
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,520
no new matter there's no new energy or

1198
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:57,119
whatever in the creative space and in

1199
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,760
the creative mind

1200
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:02,640
we are breaking those rules every time

1201
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,200
we throw dice and come up with an idea

1202
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,960
it is the one space where we as people

1203
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:12,160
in this real mechanical physical world

1204
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,000
can do something amazing we can create

1205
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,680
just from our experiences and build

1206
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,800
something from where there was nothing

1207
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,200
and i think that was uh that that's what

1208
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,319
i'm chasing always that's my motivation

1209
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,760
for coming back to this game 40 years in

1210
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:27,520
just real quick that conversation about

1211
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,920
the road bacon that is exactly what i'm

1212
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:33,200
talking about right is that that moment

1213
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,960
when you and and your cast the modest

1214
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,319
are talking about the bacon and right

1215
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,839
you guys are all talking and like my

1216
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:39,280
character in a huff just decides to

1217
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:42,400
write off because he's done with your

1218
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,000
frivolity right uh and and luanika your

1219
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,520
character makes that subtle comment like

1220
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,119
don't worry about my brother-in-law like

1221
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,640
he got his [ __ ] like don't worry he's

1222
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:50,000
like you know and i think i think that

1223
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,119
was your character said oh yeah no i saw

1224
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,599
how much he ate and then you very very

1225
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,800
succinctly with the sniping line like

1226
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:58,000
yeah well what you probably didn't

1227
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,160
notice is you probably got some

1228
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,119
everybody else's too like it's like that

1229
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,640
little moment where i'm just sitting

1230
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,599
there like oh you

1231
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,359
you

1232
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:07,119
son of a [ __ ]

1233
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:09,599
party banter really really helps bring

1234
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,480
it all together yeah it helps make it

1235
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,240
you know

1236
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,280
i mean just like the bits going back and

1237
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:17,040
forth between garavald and yorkis as we

1238
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,560
went on with yorkus being this big

1239
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,119
mighty warrior he's trying to be in

1240
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,400
garival's like this you know three foot

1241
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,079
thing standing beside him but i'm

1242
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,160
blocking you with my shield and stepping

1243
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:28,240
on you by the end of it

1244
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,680
i love the the juxtaposition of

1245
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:34,960
arrogance and earnestness between those

1246
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,720
two characters is is lovely

1247
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,960
that was that was a great time it was it

1248
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:41,040
was magical and um

1249
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,440
you know i was never

1250
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,440
my military service i was not a sniper

1251
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,680
um however when it comes to the role

1252
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,680
playing scenes nearly every character i

1253
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,280
play is just that i will get those

1254
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:56,160
little zip lines right in there yeah

1255
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,400
yeah where did that come from

1256
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:02,160
that is what i do and i do it

1257
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:04,079
all the time like almost every year

1258
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,599
that's my hallmark i would say

1259
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,760
i have an example of that a

1260
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,119
collaborative creativity shall we say

1261
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,560
between my players and i want you you

1262
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,480
can live vicariously through them to

1263
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,200
have just a just a small piece of what

1264
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,720
they felt as it is such a drug but um

1265
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,839
in the game we played on tuesday as i

1266
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,880
said a couple other player characters

1267
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:20,880
have died

1268
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,480
many moons ago they died two gibberish

1269
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,720
mouthers so there wasn't a lot left of

1270
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,400
their bodies they managed to salvage

1271
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,920
this the skull of

1272
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,000
one of them it's a bit morbid i have to

1273
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,680
say but that character was

1274
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,880
skull motifs left right and center so it

1275
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,720
actually kind of made sense that they

1276
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,800
would the one remnant they'd have of his

1277
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:38,240
body is his skull and they kind of kept

1278
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,240
it as a keepsake just in case it would

1279
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:42,000
be important the player character who

1280
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,280
picked it up was his close friends he

1281
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,880
was like no you know what i'm gonna keep

1282
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,800
this and honor him and

1283
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,960
he loves skulls so it kind of makes

1284
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,560
sense that he lives on as a skull anyway

1285
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,880
flash forward to last session and i'm

1286
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,800
introducing the new player characters

1287
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,240
one of them has come back as an old

1288
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,760
friend of

1289
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:01,119
the one who is now just a skull who died

1290
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,160
so she comes in the room and she's like

1291
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,599
i'm here because i heard you were

1292
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,079
traveling with my friend i've heard that

1293
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:07,200
he's died i'm here to help avenge and

1294
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,880
whatnot

1295
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,800
and the guy with the skull is like i get

1296
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,079
out the skull and i give it to her and

1297
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,680
everyone in their

1298
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,480
every day was like whoa

1299
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:19,040
dude there's a time and a place to offer

1300
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,200
people their dead friends skulls

1301
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,760
and it just went quiet and he went yeah

1302
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,319
this is the time i give her the scope

1303
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,319
oh god

1304
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:32,400
this could go one of two ways

1305
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,640
and fortunately that new player with the

1306
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,520
this new character came in was like

1307
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,440
equally morbid and and you know like oh

1308
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,960
no i i can see i know what he's trying

1309
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,880
to do i can see what he's trying to do

1310
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,720
here i'm not gonna freak out and flip

1311
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,480
out and derail the whole thing they were

1312
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:48,560
just like yep cool

1313
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,400
thank you this means a lot and so on and

1314
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,480
so on but just at the collective gas

1315
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,640
with everyone else be like why no the

1316
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,480
skull is not what you do when you first

1317
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:00,560
meet somebody that's like that's at

1318
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,560
least a second date thing come on now

1319
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:06,960
there's got to be at least you know a

1320
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,560
dinner involved yeah yeah you met the

1321
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,200
parents and then you whip out the skull

1322
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,400
of their dear friend like that's

1323
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,000
as you were telling the story i

1324
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,599
immediately went back to our tourist

1325
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,599
group and now the skull was the flag on

1326
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:18,880
the stick

1327
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,880
themselves around with to make sure

1328
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,640
nobody got lost that's canada in my

1329
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,200
universe now that is

1330
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,560
so i i think listening to your show for

1331
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:31,440
the past year i know so many elements of

1332
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,440
your ongoing campaign i'm so sad to hear

1333
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,440
that it was the player kick who had all

1334
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,040
the skulls and all that that ended up

1335
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,960
dying because i knew someone had passed

1336
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,640
but they didn't know that that was the

1337
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,119
the character had passed like i was i

1338
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,440
was digging that character yes the the

1339
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,680
irony is not lost on the group uh the

1340
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,839
man who is all about death and and

1341
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,599
is it he's a cleric of the death domain

1342
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:53,680
covered in skulls and he's the first

1343
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:57,040
player character to die was

1344
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,160
poetic i think if you put it politely

1345
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,960
live by the skull foot in the grave yeah

1346
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,200
yeah precisely precisely he was ready to

1347
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,200
go

1348
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,440
well let us uh see this episode out then

1349
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,200
with perhaps talking of bones uh a

1350
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,680
question with the most meat on said

1351
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,440
bones uh in terms of

1352
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,040
storytellers as you call it or content

1353
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,480
creators or

1354
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,760
gm's or however you want to do it

1355
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,000
what made the three of you want to talk

1356
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,480
to me this morning

1357
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,000
it's a veiled question

1358
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,319
josh told me to and he's scary if i

1359
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,599
don't do it

1360
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:34,960
i didn't even tell him to i just put the

1361
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:37,520
invite on your calendar and expected you

1362
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,520
to show up

1363
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,440
i will chain you to your desk again

1364
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,440
glenn

1365
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,079
those jokes that's that's why i'm here

1366
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:49,920
okay some points great

1367
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:51,920
um

1368
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,200
you know a chance to throw out the road

1369
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,839
bacon bit again um which i used in the

1370
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,920
game we played last night uh

1371
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:02,079
for a brief moment like i think it has

1372
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,680
become something i'm gonna start talking

1373
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,040
about all the time because i still love

1374
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,960
that bit

1375
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,880
to be on the show to be a content

1376
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,560
creator to be a storyteller what

1377
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,599
motivates me is

1378
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,920
creativity and innate creativeness a

1379
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,760
long time ago i was asked

1380
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,880
how would you describe yourself

1381
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,160
and they weren't talking about

1382
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,760
physically it was like how would you

1383
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,640
describe yourself to people who want to

1384
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,599
know you

1385
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,359
and

1386
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,520
oftentimes that question is answered by

1387
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:30,240
oh well i do this for work

1388
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,319
well work is not my definition of myself

1389
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,920
like the job i do nine to five the

1390
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:36,319
reason i refer to it as a nine to five

1391
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,960
is because it is exclusively a means to

1392
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:41,920
an ends it pays the rent it puts food on

1393
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,119
the table and covers my uh my medical

1394
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,559
benefits

1395
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,800
aside from that

1396
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:48,640
it is not part of who i am it is just

1397
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,440
something i am capable of and good at

1398
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,760
doing

1399
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,640
i don't define myself that way i define

1400
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,000
myself as a person who

1401
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,760
tells stories

1402
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,200
shares experiences

1403
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,599
and

1404
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,920
wants to always be

1405
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,839
worthy of the friendship i have received

1406
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,040
in life like i want to be a better

1407
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:09,119
friend

1408
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,640
always the friends i have

1409
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:12,160
have been amazing they've gotten me

1410
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,240
through all the difficult times they've

1411
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,720
got they've been with me through all the

1412
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:19,359
great times uh and everything in between

1413
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,440
so i am constantly striving to be

1414
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:23,200
that so as a content creator what

1415
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,880
motivates me is

1416
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,240
that combination of those three things

1417
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,119
how do i

1418
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:31,760
tell stories that are enjoyable

1419
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:33,599
that share my experiences

1420
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,880
and can somehow

1421
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,359
identify

1422
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,599
uh or detail ways to be

1423
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:41,200
a better friend or a better person in

1424
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:43,520
some way so

1425
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,800
as a storyteller i for instance i don't

1426
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,559
often run quote unquote evil campaigns

1427
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,240
that's just my take i'm not saying that

1428
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,640
they're bad i've played in a few and

1429
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:54,000
enjoyed them i've run a few in the past

1430
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,079
and enjoyed it

1431
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,440
of late it's just not what i do it's not

1432
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:01,680
the kind of story i want to tell anymore

1433
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,440
and so what motivates me is just that

1434
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,359
sharing experiences

1435
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,839
in a way that

1436
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:08,720
is additive and not subtractive

1437
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:11,599
yeah

1438
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:14,079
and doing so in as creative a manner as

1439
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:16,079
possible i love creativity just talking

1440
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,520
to anybody who does any creative

1441
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,599
endeavor

1442
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,800
is amazing to me whether it be a

1443
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,240
musician

1444
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,880
of which i've

1445
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:26,800
dabbled with toydrath an actor of which

1446
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,720
role playing is largely me dabbling and

1447
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,599
toying with

1448
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:33,839
other content creators in this space

1449
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,359
that's what motivates me is yeah having

1450
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:36,400
those conversations and doing those

1451
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:37,839
things

1452
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,839
yeah i mean

1453
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:42,160
look i mean the easy answer is that

1454
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:43,280
first of all leonika you covered

1455
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,559
pretty much every bullet point that i

1456
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,920
had been thinking about when danielle

1457
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:48,640
first asked the question for one so

1458
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,680
screw you again and secondly happily you

1459
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,000
know

1460
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,680
secondly like again like i mean i think

1461
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,720
i think about like i think about this

1462
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,720
past year because i mean you know

1463
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:00,079
tabletop journeys came out in early

1464
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:01,839
december of 2020 early december 2020. so

1465
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,280
it's a little bit over been over a

1466
00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:05,599
little bit over a year

1467
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,720
you know and i look back at the at the

1468
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,000
last year

1469
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,000
and see

1470
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,319
the awesome people that we have had the

1471
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,079
chance to talk to and the awesome things

1472
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:15,280
that we have had the chance to talk

1473
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:18,079
about

1474
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,640
not even when the three of us get

1475
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:22,480
together and blather on for an hour and

1476
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,119
change but like the the people out there

1477
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,880
that look look i did a thing can i just

1478
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:28,319
talk about it and like yeah come in talk

1479
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,359
about your thing

1480
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:30,880
you talk about that like shared

1481
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:32,960
experience at the table where like you

1482
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,200
just want i just want my friends to to

1483
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,280
do something awesome and inspire some

1484
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,040
some feeling in me

1485
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,520
there is nothing

1486
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,880
better than than being on that creative

1487
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,839
side and having somebody else give a

1488
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,680
crap about it and to to talk to people

1489
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:50,480
about how passionate they are about

1490
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,400
their little corner of of the world

1491
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,160
it sounds silly to say after only a year

1492
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,480
but i'm honestly not sure like what else

1493
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,800
i would be doing with my time if i

1494
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,280
hadn't decided to go ahead and do this

1495
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,359
right you know and like we're all busy

1496
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,000
dudes like that like there's no

1497
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:07,599
no which no two ways about it right uh

1498
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,359
and and for anybody out there that is

1499
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,040
under the illusion that podcasting just

1500
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,480
sort of happens it's a thing you can you

1501
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,960
know whatever right

1502
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,720
it like it's work like it is absolutely

1503
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,559
work i think i think the amount of times

1504
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:20,240
you've had to reschedule this speaks for

1505
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:21,599
itself

1506
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,880
yeah yeah you know

1507
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,280
but man

1508
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,400
it's just so much fun like it really it

1509
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,319
like it's just like

1510
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,000
i get to spend my sunday morning talking

1511
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:32,400
to to you guys and like you know you're

1512
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,839
what six thousand miles away and like

1513
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,359
and we're talking about the shared

1514
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:36,559
experience that we all have and that's

1515
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:38,720
really like

1516
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:40,800
how could you not want to spend two

1517
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:43,119
hours or whatever talking technical

1518
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,720
issues be damned about you know about

1519
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,480
about the shared experience like we're

1520
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:49,440
talking about our shared

1521
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,240
experience as humans in kind of this

1522
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,440
this very narrow scope but we've covered

1523
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,359
so many other topics here we're talking

1524
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,839
about so many other things kind of under

1525
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:59,839
that umbrella that apply i mean it's

1526
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:01,359
you know i know my very philosophical

1527
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:02,960
rambling answer is basically just saying

1528
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:03,680
like why wouldn't you want to do this

1529
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,760
like

1530
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,200
like if you need to be motivated to get

1531
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,520
up and do this

1532
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,839
then don't do this don't do this right

1533
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,760
because like the motivation is the thing

1534
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:16,480
the motivation is the is the

1535
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,720
conversation the motivation is the

1536
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,480
is the act of doing it right like that's

1537
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,920
what that's what that's what got me up

1538
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,040
after six and a half hours of sleep last

1539
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,880
night going oh that's right we're

1540
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,760
talking with danilo today like finally

1541
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,040
like we've been trying to put this

1542
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,359
together for the six months like that's

1543
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,280
great fabulous you know that's what got

1544
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:32,640
me to roll out this early too well it's

1545
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,920
not even early but we were up really

1546
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,359
late last night yeah i just want the

1547
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,480
listeners to appreciate it you're making

1548
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:39,280
it sound like i've got you out of bed at

1549
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,000
like 4 00 a.m and it's like

1550
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,280
no no no no no it's totally totally

1551
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,720
self-induced i mean we started we

1552
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,720
started recording like 10 o'clock local

1553
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:49,440
time here in the u.s but the three of us

1554
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:51,280
were up until about 1 30 uh doing doing

1555
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,599
an actual play for our show last night

1556
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,839
so you know two o'clock by time i got to

1557
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:58,160
bed yeah last night yeah

1558
00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:00,640
yeah and the last thing i did when we

1559
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,359
signed off of that actual play which was

1560
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:06,720
a fantastic session really rewarding as

1561
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:10,480
well the last thing i did is i said

1562
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:10,480
see y'all at 10 a.m motivation

1563
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,400
and shut off the computer and went to

1564
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,720
bed you know

1565
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,359
and it was like in my head quite

1566
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:20,800
honestly in my my dreams i was like what

1567
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:23,040
am i going to talk about what am i what

1568
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,119
are the the points i want to hit and

1569
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,520
where are my notes because

1570
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,960
i write notes actually very close to

1571
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:33,440
when i do shows versus well in advance

1572
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,839
um that way the ideas are fresh they

1573
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,960
make sense but i ruminate over them for

1574
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:40,480
the days that come up to that and i got

1575
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,160
up this morning i'm like

1576
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,119
i'm gonna take notes on what's said

1577
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:47,280
during this session so i can go back to

1578
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,359
points or touch on things that come up

1579
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,079
but i know what i want to say about this

1580
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:52,079
like

1581
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,440
part of it is i am

1582
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:56,000
and we are

1583
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,359
fairly self-motivated

1584
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,599
so

1585
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:01,760
i just said you know what i don't need

1586
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:03,599
to really go to notes for this yeah i

1587
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,200
know what i want to say there may be a

1588
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:07,599
particular anecdote that i want to

1589
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,520
mention but for the most part

1590
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:12,319
right i know the things that drive me i

1591
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,240
i know the things that i love to do and

1592
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:15,200
this type of game role-playing games in

1593
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,000
general

1594
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,160
that drives me that makes me want to do

1595
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,119
more of this i i love

1596
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,920
when i build a character that has all

1597
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,680
these things that that it can do and i

1598
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,440
say all the time i don't optimize for

1599
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,520
the sake of building the biggest baddest

1600
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,760
i optimize for having

1601
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,359
the coolest moment

1602
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,040
which sometimes is not always the

1603
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:38,319
biggest and the baddest right you know

1604
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,760
sometimes it's just being able to do

1605
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:42,000
that cool thing that nobody really

1606
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,520
anticipated yeah one of the best things

1607
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,160
my warforged in another game did was

1608
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,079
do a commander strike as a battle master

1609
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,599
and give it to the barbarian who laid

1610
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,440
the killing blow

1611
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,400
i could have probably done just as much

1612
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,720
damage

1613
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,520
but that would have never been as cool

1614
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,480
as

1615
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,880
i dropped one knee say get him and i

1616
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,040
give him the the ability to strike and

1617
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,680
he says well i run up i jump off his

1618
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:10,160
back as he stands up to launch me and he

1619
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,040
drops the killing blow lays out the big

1620
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,240
bad guy which happened to be a giant and

1621
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,480
uh

1622
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:19,040
we took him out and i'm like

1623
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,559
that's badass yeah

1624
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,079
and then not only not only that but

1625
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,760
because you talk about kind of like the

1626
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,280
the the other side of this has

1627
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,240
optimization like you optimize for the

1628
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,839
story

1629
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,359
that's not even kind of like the

1630
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:30,559
greatest role-playing story that i can

1631
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:32,079
think of off the top my head the

1632
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:34,400
greatest role-playing story that i can

1633
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:38,079
think of off the top my head happened 20

1634
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:40,079
years ago when we were at a table and

1635
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:42,559
the big bad of the campaign marched up

1636
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:44,240
with his army and the the soon-to-be

1637
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,079
king of the realm

1638
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:47,920
decided to go ahead and go out and said

1639
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:49,839
enough thousands of people aren't gonna

1640
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,160
die and challenge the big bad to single

1641
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:54,240
combat and lost

1642
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:57,040
and that set forth

1643
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:58,160
a dozen campaigns from that singular

1644
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,799
moment

1645
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,119
when the big bad one and all of us are

1646
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:04,160
sitting at the table like you can't no

1647
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,079
no you can't do that and the

1648
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,000
storyteller's like out get out of here

1649
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:10,559
you're not here you don't know what's

1650
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,559
happening it's like but no but he can't

1651
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:16,720
he's gonna lose he's not gonna win

1652
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:20,480
out

1653
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:23,119
to be fair i was not at my best and most

1654
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,200
respectful player character phase yeah

1655
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:27,520
and i was ejected from that table for

1656
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,799
that moment while that scene went down

1657
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,520
yeah um

1658
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:33,599
but here we are 20 plus years later and

1659
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,680
i'm playing in the campaign

1660
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:38,720
and i have finally

1661
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:41,760
the current character i play uh actually

1662
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:44,160
did some actions to successfully

1663
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:47,839
start to undo the damage done in that

1664
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:50,799
scene 20 years ago so uh i i want you

1665
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:51,760
all to know that you know hk's got this

1666
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:54,240
he's

1667
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,880
he's got some that's some long-reaching

1668
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:59,359
decade spanning motivation right there

1669
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,440
yeah um but no i have to on the

1670
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:04,400
motivation front as a storyteller agree

1671
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,640
with uh both of my irreverent co-hosts

1672
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,240
and amazing friends

1673
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,839
that the creative collaboration is

1674
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,440
definitely where what it's all about but

1675
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:14,559
for myself i've always been i said

1676
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,559
earlier i'm a maker i mean i

1677
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,480
silly story but when i was in like i

1678
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,000
don't know

1679
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,359
first grade i decided i was going to be

1680
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,040
a writer so i locked myself in the

1681
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:24,400
bathroom why the bathroom i have no idea

1682
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,880
but the bathroom

1683
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,160
for about three hours while i copied

1684
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,720
verbatim

1685
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,559
my very very favorite book

1686
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,319
onto notebook paper which earned me a

1687
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:36,640
nice conversation about plagiarism and

1688
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:38,319
and a good life lesson along the way uh

1689
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,760
but i mean it's been in me since then

1690
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:42,319
that i've always wanted to make things

1691
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,240
and it's just grown and grown forever as

1692
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:45,119
a storyteller though

1693
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,760
that

1694
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:50,559
has to bring me to the storyteller chair

1695
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,359
because as a character i was creating

1696
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,440
but

1697
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:55,440
i wanted to do more right

1698
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,880
but what really really keeps me coming

1699
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,640
back which kind of sums up a number of

1700
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,680
the points in a scene that we've been

1701
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,720
discussing

1702
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:06,640
as a storyteller is the expression on my

1703
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:09,119
character's faces when i really truly

1704
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,839
achieve that shock and awe factor

1705
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:14,079
when a piece of my plot a bit of my

1706
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:15,680
story just slaps them in the face and

1707
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:17,839
they're wide-eyed like didn't see it

1708
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,799
coming what the hell just happened

1709
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,960
and

1710
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:22,880
not in a bad way necessarily sometimes

1711
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,920
you know depending on on the plot but uh

1712
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,160
the scene i'm thinking of in this

1713
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,000
instance is what what literally popped

1714
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,319
into my mind was the expression on one

1715
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,440
of our patreons faces

1716
00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:33,839
and a character she played in the

1717
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,119
boiling seas named ash

1718
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:37,680
when as they've been going on and they

1719
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,760
have this memory issue since the game

1720
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,280
started you know they they woke up all

1721
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,280
of them with no memory and they've been

1722
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,200
getting little flashes since and the

1723
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,760
moment when she meets somebody that she

1724
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,760
recognizes she thinks

1725
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,359
and then realizes based on a picture

1726
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,440
above the bar in the conversation that

1727
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:55,359
this is actually the granddaughter of a

1728
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,280
former paramour of hers

1729
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:59,119
who's now telling her but you died like

1730
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,640
75 years ago

1731
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:02,160
and she's also at the same time now

1732
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,200
wondering wait is this my granddaughter

1733
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,880
then and is watching her face as and the

1734
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,559
rest of the party's faces as it went

1735
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,559
through at that point and they realized

1736
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:12,319
that they're actually all dead people

1737
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:14,799
from the past

1738
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:16,720
that moment watching

1739
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:18,240
that revelation dawn

1740
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,240
and that that moment of collaboration

1741
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,119
together that that's what i'm in it for

1742
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:25,520
i've had several instances in my game

1743
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:27,040
when a player were to have just stood up

1744
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,319
and walked away because they're like oh

1745
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,119
can't believe this is happening i need

1746
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:34,070
to this is crazy and that's when i feel

1747
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,920
like i've succeeded

1748
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:38,799
[Laughter]

1749
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,960
well thank you very much gentlemen for

1750
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:42,720
this i i'm very very very happy with

1751
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,720
this episode um

1752
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:48,880
as we have covered not only the play

1753
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,760
side of things the first

1754
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,839
hot section was all about making

1755
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,000
characters that want to go an adventure

1756
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:58,000
and how to do that but also the

1757
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,839
soft side of things you know why

1758
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,119
why we find ourselves here in a gaming

1759
00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:05,680
hangover some more than others uh around

1760
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:08,000
looking around this kind of thing i mean

1761
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,440
almost always worth it

1762
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,799
i'm about to go for a few drinks i'm

1763
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,000
about to have maybe a legitimate

1764
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:16,079
hangover but uh

1765
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:19,440
key to a hangover is having the road

1766
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:19,440
bacon when you get back

1767
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,559
i don't know too much grease when you

1768
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,450
got a hangover is sometimes not a good

1769
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:25,200
thing

1770
01:00:23,450 --> 01:00:27,200
[Laughter]

1771
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:30,400
i say road bacon this morning for me

1772
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:32,319
with smoked salmon but whatever you know

1773
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,040
is is there anything

1774
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:37,040
burning to talk about that we might have

1775
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,200
missed i was gonna say i actually think

1776
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,280
we we covered it all i was terribly

1777
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,200
afraid that we were gonna miss pieces

1778
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:46,160
but i think we've we're getting really

1779
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:48,160
good at this the four of us together um

1780
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,640
like we covered some good ground here i

1781
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,680
think we talked about all the things and

1782
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:57,040
uh that deal with motivation

1783
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,480
yeah the only burning question for me is

1784
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,920
when are we going to get you back on our

1785
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,720
show

1786
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,720
[Laughter]

1787
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,559
very good question never um no i'm

1788
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,799
joking

1789
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:10,480
i don't blame you

1790
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:12,799
i wouldn't want to be on our show either

1791
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,040
i mean i'm scheduled in for all of 2022

1792
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:17,850
but who knows what's not

1793
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,440
yeah uh i'm washing my hair that day

1794
01:01:17,850 --> 01:01:21,040
[Laughter]

1795
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,520
when whenever you

1796
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:26,000
whenever you'll take me and my

1797
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:28,240
what did you say uh smooth velvety

1798
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,839
smooth english accent which is probably

1799
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,160
the best

1800
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:34,640
compliment i've ever had on this very

1801
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,520
poor spoken englishman's voice

1802
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,400
i i

1803
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,319
i will say that when we started playing

1804
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,760
uh against the dark master what i

1805
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:43,599
originally had for a voice for my

1806
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,119
character i changed because i'm like we

1807
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:46,559
already have an english accent and

1808
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:48,880
that's yeah you can't do a phony one

1809
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:51,040
next to a real one how would that sound

1810
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:53,760
i'm gonna come across like an ass if i

1811
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:57,440
tried that thing

1812
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,520
yeah uh you know i so i i didn't have to

1813
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,039
work work on that like i i literally

1814
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,799
have to work on some new accents because

1815
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:04,799
my goal is to keep gaming with you on a

1816
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:06,319
regular basis

1817
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:07,080
you have to try very hard to offend me

1818
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:08,720
i'm afraid

1819
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,319
[Laughter]

1820
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:13,440
being uh

1821
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:15,119
guilty of doing some poor accents in my

1822
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,920
time so yes

1823
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,359
mine are terrible like legendarily oh

1824
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,559
yeah terrible

1825
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,839
all of mine turn into scottish

1826
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,520
eventually if they go on long enough

1827
01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:25,760
doesn't matter what they start as all

1828
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:28,000
roads lead to edinburgh as they're

1829
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,799
saying guys

1830
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,920
well that's what the scots will tell you

1831
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:34,799
yeah

1832
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:37,200
well uh gentlemen thank you again

1833
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:38,480
for gracing me with your presence today

1834
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,960
it has been

1835
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,799
very very enjoyable thank you all so

1836
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,839
much is there anything you would like to

1837
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:45,359
promote

1838
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:47,520
sure yeah well so first of all thank you

1839
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:49,599
for having us on obviously this is such

1840
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,280
a good time uh you

1841
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,880
you know that you only have to call we

1842
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,559
will we will rally together to go ahead

1843
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,839
and come on your show anytime

1844
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:58,240
you're willing to deal with uh with

1845
01:02:55,839 --> 01:03:00,000
three uh three harsh new englanders uh

1846
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,920
you know uh we'll we'll we'll make the

1847
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,680
time to go ahead and make it happen um

1848
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,359
you know obviously the show continues to

1849
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,640
go ahead and run we would love for uh

1850
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:09,760
for your listeners to come check us out

1851
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:12,000
at www.ttjourneys.com

1852
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,839
uh you can follow us on twitter at tt

1853
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,079
journeys uh we're on facebook if you

1854
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:17,359
search for tabletop journeys uh we'd

1855
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:19,359
love for your listeners to go ahead and

1856
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:21,039
come check us out uh uh

1857
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:22,400
we think our show is a good time we love

1858
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,880
listening to ourselves talk as you can

1859
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,799
imagine um and uh we love other people

1860
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,559
to listen to us talk to kind of the big

1861
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:31,280
thing that we're looking to do for 2022

1862
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:33,200
here is we are getting into we alluded

1863
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,200
to content creation earlier uh we put

1864
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,680
out our first kind of booklet at the uh

1865
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,960
the very beginning of 2022 the

1866
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,720
traveler's guide to collaborative world

1867
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,240
building uh but at the point that this

1868
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,880
episode is airing for you uh we will

1869
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,640
have just put out kind of our first uh

1870
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,640
our first big boy book you know our

1871
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,400
first star our first big book uh the

1872
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,160
traveler's guide to the multiverse it's

1873
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,319
a companion to the latest wizards of the

1874
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,720
coast book uh monsters of the multiverse

1875
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:58,799
uh it is full of player options to go

1876
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,839
along with uh with that tome so

1877
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:04,160
backgrounds and feats uh and magic items

1878
01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:05,760
and mundane items uh and you know

1879
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,200
because we are because we are

1880
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,559
storytellers and content creators at

1881
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,400
heart there is a big section on cam hang

1882
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:14,960
hooks and adventure hooks and encounter

1883
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,640
hooks to go ahead and help bring all the

1884
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,839
uh this kind of mechanical stuff that

1885
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,319
we're throwing into the book uh help to

1886
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:22,240
bring it to your table uh to make your

1887
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:24,559
multiverse campaign

1888
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,680
legendary that's our tagline if i didn't

1889
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,200
throw it in there the lawyers would get

1890
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,799
upset

1891
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,160
exceptionally professional thank you

1892
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:32,000
very much

1893
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,640
and he didn't know his radio voice which

1894
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,640
is really scary

1895
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,559
no no there isn't good good

1896
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,880
[Laughter]

1897
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:42,079
uh well as usual all the links will be

1898
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,200
in the episode description only to the

1899
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,920
dms guild but also to uh with the

1900
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,920
ttjourneys.com

1901
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,079
so yeah i i would encourage you all

1902
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,960
there they are a lovely lovely group of

1903
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,559
folks

1904
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,839
i mean i say that off the record when

1905
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:56,559
we'll stop recording so i'll say it on

1906
01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:58,799
the record as well uh it is it has been

1907
01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:01,359
a pleasure uh so yeah all that's left is

1908
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:02,480
one final thank you guys yeah pleasure

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is all ours daniel thank you very much

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for having me absolutely

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thank you everybody for listening at

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home as usual please do check out all

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the links in the episode description of

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which they'll be you'll be chock full

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with this episode of all glorious links

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to such great content

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thank you all for listening and good

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night

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and now it's time for the patreon shout

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outs

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huge huge huge thank you to a great

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friend of the show matthew perkins who's

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out there making hilarious and

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educational dungeons and dragons content

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please go and check out his stuff at

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matthewperkins.net where you can find

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links to all of his socials and all of

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his content including his own patreon

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which i would very much encourage you to

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check out

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thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

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on twitter for supporting the show if

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you need support running your personal

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or business schedule head to

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make that difference between should do

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and done boss it better with support

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from cat who will help you get back that

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essential time you've been searching for

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if you would like to support what we do

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and get four shout outs a month head

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over to patreon.com thinking critically

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or you can just buy me a coffee at

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