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welcome thinkers to season 3 episode 11

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of thinking critically today's episode

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is items

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[Applause]

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and today i'm joined by david from the

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shonen flop podcast thank you ever so

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much for joining us today david can you

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tell us a little bit about yourself

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absolutely well first of all thank you

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so much dan for having me on the show

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i've been looking forward to it i always

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love talking about dnd stuff so my show

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shonen flop is me my co-host jordan and

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a guest where we take a look at some of

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the lesser known manga that random

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shonen jump for those who may not be

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familiar that's where series like one

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piece dragon ball z naruto got started

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and so we really look at the series that

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just didn't make it big including some

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serious by some of those major artists

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so it's really interesting to see what

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they tried before they were able to find

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their success or sometimes what

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didn't work after their big success

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ended mm-hmm amazing yeah well we'll

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talk about that a little bit later on

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because i'm also into well more anime

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than manga but yes uh i now want to talk

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about that but no right podcast dnd

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right okay

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so uh

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today's topic is items so what does that

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mean to you in the dnd framework so i

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really think that items are perhaps one

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of the most interesting ways to show

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your creativity in dungeons and dragons

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and to me

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while

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to be honest i feel like it's a mature

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thing to say it can be humble items or

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you know plot but really

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really it just means to me what's the

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kind of cool [ __ ] you can give players

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that gets to change how they interact

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with the world and give them agency

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mm-hmm yeah i'm gonna

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come at you now

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i'm coming i'm flying out the gate and

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say that

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that sounds great but it's like i'm a

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stickler for balance so all i'm going to

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say is that it's great but it's way

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easier said than done or maybe i'm

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making a storm and a teacup but

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in terms of like

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balancing let's start with that then

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because it's something that's clearly

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right on the on the forefront of of my

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brain and

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we all know that

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combat encounters and and the cr system

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is awkward and yankee and

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oh yeah you know

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i set a

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just because i'm in new york

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passive aggressive like straight out of

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the gate yeah this is how

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this is how i antagonize all my guests

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uh wonderful wonderful

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but uh like you know it's very swingy

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and difficult then you need a level of

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experience because

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but at least there are

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mathematical rules there are clear-cut

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give or take

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guidance as to broadly

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what should be an okay fight and then

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the dm can kind of yeah

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muddle his way through but for items

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i'm just always so scared that something

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i'm gonna give them is just gonna have

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such unforeseen power consequences that

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it's just gonna screw like really just

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take whip the rug out from under my feet

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to be honest like i kind of embrace it

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so i do like a hundred percent or i

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would say 90 improvised campaign and so

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part of it is they don't have a campaign

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they can really break because there's

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nothing i created like for instance

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combat encounters i actually don't give

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hp to the monsters i just think they die

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when it seems like an interesting time

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for them to die which means one you

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don't have to bookkeep as carefully and

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two it means combat is always exciting

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because you never get into that kind of

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pokemon a stick stage of combat where

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the monster effectively is lost but they

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still have 100 hp so you have to play

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five more turns of combat you can just

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have them die yeah or likewise if the

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encounter is too hard they don't know

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that you just nerfed the creature mid

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combat you know

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and i play a very high fantasy campaign

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where magic is very common the players

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have a lot access none of my players

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absolutely my most recent campaign had

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spell casting abilities which is maybe

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why i think items make up for some of

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this like for instance none of them knew

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any healing magic or utility magic which

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definitely made problem solving very

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unique so you had to be very

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environmental or seed them with items to

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solve problems later on

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which you kind of reverse engineer based

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on what you've given them yeah but

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that's what i would say and i can

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totally understand how certain campaigns

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that breaks it but

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yeah they got nothing to break so just

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let them have fun with the things you

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give them

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okay yeah that's that works for the way

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you certainly run that like improvised

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you know no hp for the monsters

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absolutely i can see how that would be

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less of an issue

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and to be fair that's something i need

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to be a bit more cognizant of when i'm

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like in the middle of combat and my mind

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is going a mile a minute i really need

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to be like [ __ ] it that monster's dead

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just move on even if it does have 100 hp

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left because that slog is not fun for

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anyone

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yeah i i just i honestly think combat is

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probably one of the least interesting

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parts of d d especially before like

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level like five or six

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yeah i mean it doesn't really get

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exciting as your own character until

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five onwards to be honest in terms of

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what abilities you've got that you can

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do more than once

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oh yeah like oh no i'm out of my two

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spells i know as a level two wizard yep

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i guess i'll stab him with a dagger

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great well they do have canter so yeah

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3.5 fixed things a bit but yeah yeah so

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okay i what i want to i want to bring up

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something you mentioned there that was

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really really really cool and it was

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well actually let me look around for

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that so firstly that idea of

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backfilling for shortcomings in the

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party makeup which is something that

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happens you know every every time i see

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the post on reddit or facebook some some

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new dm saying none of my players and my

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new group of have a healer and i'm

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thinking about this like it's a

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traditional ipg and i need it i need a

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heat a

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quote healer what do i do god they're

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gonna just die straight away um nine

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times out of ten the answer is just give

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them like a bunch of health potions

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somehow or some why that so that is the

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haven't really got some reliable healing

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npcs says ego you take them

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what other ones have you employed what

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other kind of items that are you know

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explicitly for that reason of trying to

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plug a gap in the pie

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the big thing is just look at the

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wizard's spell book and look at the

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utility spells and that really can tell

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you what are the gaps like for instance

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feather fall that can prevent you from

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accidentally having other players die

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you know so stuff like that stuff like

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jump detect magic dispel magic that if

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you have a party that doesn't have those

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spells or if you have players that just

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are i guess are very single-minded

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those are good spells to look at so just

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think like if i was a wizard would spell

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what i always want with me and that is a

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really easy source of the type of magic

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items that you know will have instant

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utility for players that aren't spell

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casters okay yeah so just like i mean

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i'm kind of reticent to spell scrolls

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because to me they're kind of boring

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although i'm not like freaking anyone

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out but like i'm not being like

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blasphemous or something but um

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that's just like a free spell isn't it

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yeah no one likes carrying around books

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like her dusty old paper i want to carry

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around a mace that shoots lightning like

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yeah no you can always add a twist so

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like for instance i gave them a feather

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that lets them cast feather fall but the

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way it works is so you can only use it

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once per day but the other thing is you

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activate it by saying a word for wind

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that you haven't said before so you can

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be like zephyr gust tornado hurricane so

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the players have to like think of words

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and then like if they can't think of you

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know a good word

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you know they're screwed

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and that so that's a very like bland

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spell but it adds an interesting meta

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twist which is something i always look

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forward to is like how do i make these

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elements not just i guess interesting at

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value mm-hmm yeah which is exactly the

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problem that i think spell scrolls have

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raw is that they're just literally yeah

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you can spell you're like oh yeah

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there's a wizard we retained a wizard

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for two minutes

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yeah no i love that idea and now my mind

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is now racing trying to think of like

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other examples of that of that i'd like

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i i guess that's kind of like soft meta

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that's not meta in in such a you know a

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negative connotation where it's you know

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ruining somebody else's fun but it's

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just a nice little garnish on the side

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of the game just to get the players to

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think is is a nice little a nice little

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touch

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although if i was that player i'd make

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i'd get my thesaurus out the moment i

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had that i just uh

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yeah i i i i'm taking a break from now

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but i actually did a word of the day in

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the shonen flop discord where we had a

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channel where i just posted it every day

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so yeah i uh i had words so i was like

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seeing if they paid attention to the

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word of the day because i would use them

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sometimes uh-huh like zephyr zephyr is a

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great vocabulary word yes yeah for that

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there's a there's a zephyr strike is one

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of the newer spells in one of the new

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books that's uh meant to be uh pretty

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decent so uh

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yeah i just made me think of that for

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some reason um i think it's my favorite

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hangman word

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now if i were trying to spell it off the

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top of my head i wouldn't even attempt

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it but uh yeah i'm just looking up how

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to spell yeah yo

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z e p and you're like what

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sarah y in that word yes there's an ah a

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couple of r's maybe a couple of y's just

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throw them against the wall and see what

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fits yeah

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yeah exactly

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um

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and the the the other thing there

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that you mentioned was

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kind of like retroactively designing

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puzzles off of items you've given them

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and yes that is not something i've heard

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before in terms of like always

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any time i've talked about puzzle design

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i read about puzzle design even in uh

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you know tasha's cauldron of everything

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it's always in isolation it's always

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like

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there's this room that the players could

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come into and you could put this room

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anywhere and here's the puzzle and

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that's that's it but in terms of like

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they pick up some doll from

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somewhere and then 10 sessions later

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it's it's useful i've not come at it

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that way so have you got any examples of

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that process that train of thought so

300
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that's a really good question

301
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i'm trying to think just because yeah to

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be honest the puzzles definitely are a

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challenge

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and i think more so it's not like you

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need the item to solve the puzzle it

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just gives you an easier path or maybe

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gives you scaffolding on the puzzle

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where it solves some of the initial

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stages so

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for instance i'm just trying to think of

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a good example because that's such a

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good question so i'm just thinking back

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on the puzzle oh so

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so this is going to be a really dumb

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example but my players were given

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something called fairy flurry which they

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were in fantasy hollywood so it was

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essentially cocaine and they were having

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to answer riddles and they just

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bribed the real master with cocaine so

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he would drop some of the riddles

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so that was they didn't need cocaine to

323
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solve the riddles but it meant that it

324
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dropped some of the challenge of that

325
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because he just gave they just gave him

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cocaine itself answering the last riddle

327
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had you foreseen that at all no i did

328
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not but i was like yeah i mean that's

329
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the thing is you got to reward players

330
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because when you're giving them items

331
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that aren't clearly specifically defined

332
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which you don't want to do

333
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you know you don't want items that

334
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literally they're going to have a very

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specific purpose and are not useful

336
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because d d should be a sandbox for the

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players

338
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and so that's what you do is your reward

339
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sometimes they get an easy win because

340
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they remember it's like you know if you

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gave an item that's like an electric

342
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containment bottle because you thought

343
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oh they could use this it's like a power

344
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source and then they fight a lightning

345
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element and someone says i'm going to

346
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try and shove them in the bottle and you

347
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that just defeats like a cr5 rating and

348
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a turn because they rolled like an 18 on

349
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their strength check

350
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you should reward them for that for

351
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thinking creatively

352
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and then you know in the future hey we

353
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shouldn't probably have them fighting

354
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electrical elementals

355
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you know yeah or maybe you do and then

356
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it tries and then you come up with a

357
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clever reason why it doesn't work that

358
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time

359
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which also is in our way is if they get

360
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over reliance on items rather than

361
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destroying the items or nerfing them

362
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which you know sometimes you still have

363
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to but thinking of when are the times

364
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where you could say hey this isn't

365
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always going to work this isn't the

366
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silver bullet you think because that's

367
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much more rewarding and says oh well

368
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then there has to be a different

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solution if the obvious solution doesn't

370
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work

371
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which kind of makes me think a little

372
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bit about one piece if you're familiar

373
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with that series the manga in that a lot

374
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of the encounters generally have like a

375
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very obvious solution and then he makes

376
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sure to show why the obvious solution

377
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doesn't work so you have to think of a

378
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second solution which kind of challenges

379
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the reader to really think of what else

380
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is available as a resource for solving a

381
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puzzle oh and you know trying to

382
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overcome someone's ability um oh man i'm

383
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scared that like all my puzzles are just

384
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[ __ ] now like they're the few i've had

385
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and used uh

386
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out of almost fear of creating something

387
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that's a bit crap uh yeah sometimes when

388
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i want a break i just park them in front

389
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of a sudoku puzzle and give them 15

390
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minutes

391
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[Laughter]

392
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go to the toilet make your dinner like

393
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yeah you know

394
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have a break

395
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[Laughter]

396
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i think this is this is good i'm glad

397
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that i have have you to talk about items

398
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because i can already tell that we

399
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approached the topic from from slightly

400
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different points uh which should make

401
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for a very interesting discussion

402
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so to loot back around then

403
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here's the reasons why i want and i

404
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wouldn't use that example you gave of

405
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fighting the electric elementals and

406
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maybe one of them uses some you know imx

407
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to

408
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essentially mitigate it completely

409
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and it's not that

410
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i'm precious about that encounter it's

411
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not that well they i set up a fight they

412
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have to have that fight because i set up

413
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a whole bunch of stuff and

414
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if they choose to fight they choose to

415
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fight and if they don't they don't and

416
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that's fine that's the nature of the

417
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game to me so it's not that i'm worried

418
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about it's more that for example for one

419
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example

420
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is perhaps there's another person in the

421
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party who is an

422
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anti-elementalist or you know someone

423
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who can banish or has

424
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you know is strong against electricity

425
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creatures and then the gnome rogue rolls

426
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that one check and immediately defeats

427
00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,600
this thing like it's a ranger's favored

428
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foe or something and the range is like

429
00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,600
stand back i'll kill this thing and then

430
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someone else just goes boop no i did it

431
00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,920
you're kind of useless now

432
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that that is the stuff i

433
00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,160
get worried about because that other

434
00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,800
player then feels very you know impotent

435
00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,639
almost i mean i think you should embrace

436
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that because again that's the thing is

437
00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:39,760
that you don't want to make them think

438
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that they're over reliant on the tool so

439
00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,760
that means you're actually getting a

440
00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,639
reward as a tm for having it not work

441
00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,839
twice

442
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so think about it you could have it

443
00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:48,720
where they deal one elemental but what

444
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if they deal with two and they can only

445
00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,240
shove one in the bottle who's going to

446
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,839
take care of the second one and say ah

447
00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,000
you know i found a weakness in what you

448
00:14:53,839 --> 00:14:58,800
did last time now is my time to shine so

449
00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,880
i don't think it's quite as big a deal

450
00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,560
um as you might consider

451
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just because it actually can set you up

452
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to strength show the strengths even if

453
00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:08,399
at first glance it seems like though the

454
00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,560
items given are are hiding their

455
00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:12,240
abilities yeah and don't don't please

456
00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,519
don't pull any punches one of the

457
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,199
reasons for the show is i'm i'm here to

458
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learn as well so if you want to if you

459
00:15:15,199 --> 00:15:19,440
tell me some ideas cocker maybe then

460
00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,959
please do but i don't know i think you

461
00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,639
have a very because these are definitely

462
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trappings that less experienced dms

463
00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:25,920
could fall into where they just have a

464
00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,839
solution and they just do the same

465
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solution to every single time because

466
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you know it i'm the players might get

467
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bored but they'll still be happy at

468
00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,959
least for the start that they're just

469
00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:37,279
solving these problems yeah yeah and i'm

470
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having an epiphany as we speak by the

471
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way because

472
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so many times on this show

473
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we've discussed you know like players

474
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having you know their characters having

475
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faults and and that learning from their

476
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mistakes and thinking outside the box

477
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and you know

478
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leading into your the drawbacks of your

479
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particular character and never once have

480
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i really stepped back and thought

481
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how can you apply that train of thought

482
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to being a dm and you've just given a

483
00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:06,959
really good example there of of like ah

484
00:16:05,279 --> 00:16:10,639
this has gone

485
00:16:06,959 --> 00:16:11,759
sideways uh for a reason i didn't

486
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foresee

487
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but here's how i can leverage that as a

488
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,199
yeah as a it's almost like the job of

489
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the dm in a way to leverage those

490
00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:22,480
sideways moments rather than just leave

491
00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,800
them in isolation and just be like well

492
00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,000
that was a one-off event oh god i hope

493
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,440
that doesn't happen again it should be

494
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,040
no that's that's

495
00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,880
that's the learning opportunity there

496
00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,279
and i i harp on about learning

497
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opportunities for players and i've not

498
00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:37,519
once really you know stepped back and

499
00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:38,880
looked at myself to be like give it

500
00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:40,560
down like you got to learn it sometimes

501
00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,320
well

502
00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,839
yeah i mean that's the thing is that the

503
00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,600
players don't know what you're planning

504
00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:47,279
so you can really change anything you

505
00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,680
want or you can make seem like anything

506
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is on purpose

507
00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,880
that's the magic of it it's like how

508
00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,320
modularity is probably the most

509
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,079
important thing that really takes a

510
00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,560
beginner gm to an intermediate dm is

511
00:16:56,079 --> 00:17:00,639
learning i can just reuse any ideas i

512
00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,320
had i don't have to railroad they don't

513
00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,000
know that just because they skipped a

514
00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,600
room they don't know what was in that

515
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,360
room i can literally have it that the

516
00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,559
next dungeon they're in i reused the

517
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:09,600
puzzle that was in the room they skipped

518
00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:10,640
because how would they know what they

519
00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,559
skipped

520
00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,199
yeah yeah i mean i've done a warrenis

521
00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:18,160
kobold dungeon and they went to about

522
00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:19,520
55 of it and funnily enough missed on

523
00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,959
magic items

524
00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,079
oh that's always fun and uh actually in

525
00:17:20,959 --> 00:17:24,319
the previous dungeon as well they

526
00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,720
skipped they missed a room at the end as

527
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well now i don't want to encourage like

528
00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,160
a completionist attitude because then

529
00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:32,400
that would be a bit boring and a bit bit

530
00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,720
tropey but both major dungeons in a row

531
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,720
they've skipped areas and both happened

532
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,799
to have magical items in

533
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and then one of them did say oh you

534
00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:41,919
don't have a lot of magical items down

535
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,799
low and well

536
00:17:41,919 --> 00:17:46,559
there were rooms you didn't go into yeah

537
00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:47,840
a little bit behind the screen maybe

538
00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:48,960
more than i should have done but i was

539
00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,720
like well you know you never you never

540
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,720
know they could be thicker yeah there

541
00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,360
could be less stuff

542
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,640
but um yes they've skipped yeah whole

543
00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:59,039
rooms before which there was there was

544
00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,600
an item a special poison dagger i think

545
00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:03,200
in a cardboard dungeon that was fitting

546
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,200
and that would have been for the rogue i

547
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,240
had intended it you know a good a good

548
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,840
fit

549
00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,600
but yeah they didn't they didn't go that

550
00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,280
way no that's a shame it doesn't have it

551
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,080
uh i mean obviously as you've just said

552
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,080
like

553
00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,840
the chances are they'll be you'll get an

554
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,840
opportunity to buy it or it will turn up

555
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,320
somewhere else of course but the the

556
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,919
mystery of what what they left behind is

557
00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,120
something which i think is

558
00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:28,320
really special about dnd it's so easy to

559
00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:32,320
so i'm playing um tales of a rise now on

560
00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:33,200
um playstation the jrpg video game yeah

561
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,960
and

562
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,440
that is

563
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,679
like anytime you go into a new area

564
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,760
you can see the whole map for that area

565
00:18:39,679 --> 00:18:44,160
and often places only have one entrance

566
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,600
and one exit so any paths which don't

567
00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,120
lead to an exit

568
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,480
there's an item down

569
00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,360
so it's it's

570
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,720
not

571
00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,640
you know it's just like oh okay i guess

572
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,480
i'll go there first and sure enough

573
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,600
there's some items so it's kind of like

574
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,440
there's no real mystery or exploration

575
00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,280
because you know where everything is you

576
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,720
guarantee that there's some kind of item

577
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,240
for you at the end of that corridor that

578
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,360
doesn't have an exit and the exit takes

579
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,200
you on to the next area where you do the

580
00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:09,200
same thing again for sure so i love that

581
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,880
in you know dnd you can have those i

582
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,919
don't know i don't have a map

583
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,360
nine times out of ten they probably

584
00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:15,200
won't have a map i don't know where the

585
00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:17,360
items are and i'll just

586
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,720
have to make do with with what happens

587
00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,480
but um

588
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,760
talking about uh i'm gonna shoot my own

589
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,799
trumpet for a bit but uh such is life

590
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,720
about

591
00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:28,480
the modularity and the thinking on your

592
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,799
feet and

593
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:34,320
there was a good example of that and

594
00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,320
i'm mid

595
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,400
i'm conceiving ideas for today's

596
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,640
discussion in the in the middle of it oh

597
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,919
you're giving idea fat birth

598
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,360
um

599
00:19:41,919 --> 00:19:44,720
npcs

600
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,919
can

601
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,120
act as

602
00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:48,880
you know you can think about them in the

603
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,480
same way you think about items that was

604
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,760
the second epiphany i've had in the last

605
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,440
21 minutes um and the reason i just

606
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,600
thought of that is because in the epi in

607
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,440
the session i just ran actually

608
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,039
there's a big flying elven city up in

609
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,559
the sky thousands of kilometers above

610
00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,840
them like dalaran from world of warcraft

611
00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:05,520
i'll pretend i know what a kilometer is

612
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,120
but yeah

613
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,720
it's like 20 feet right yeah yeah just

614
00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:11,360
just like a head height yeah

615
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,640
very very high up in the clouds um and

616
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,919
they're you know on the ground

617
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,320
underneath them they're working on the

618
00:20:13,919 --> 00:20:18,320
gravity elevator blah blah elven magic

619
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,679
stuff to go to lift themselves back up

620
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,080
to the city

621
00:20:19,679 --> 00:20:24,400
the city is currently a bit you know

622
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,840
being a bit lovecraftian

623
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,000
explosions happened and there's

624
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:31,039
aberrations and creatures and it's

625
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,240
starting to break and fall apart and and

626
00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:33,440
there's all sorts of horrible stuff

627
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,440
happening so as they were down on the

628
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,559
ground floor tinkering away on the on

629
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:40,880
the panel to fix the gravity elevator

630
00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:43,120
i say to the the super perceptive rogue

631
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,360
who has a robe of eyes never say i don't

632
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,159
give him anything um who has a rope of

633
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,400
eyes

634
00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:50,400
um i was like you see a little black

635
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,520
dot high above you seem to be getting

636
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,280
bigger

637
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,320
and to cut a long story short it was

638
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,919
some it

639
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,960
it was someone falling

640
00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:58,240
from

641
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,200
the city

642
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,120
now my play is being paranoid

643
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,799
fighters all the time he was like are

644
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:07,600
ready my crossbow to shoot it if it's

645
00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:08,720
coming towards us i'm not okay that's

646
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,159
fine

647
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,600
uh until eventually it got a bit closer

648
00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:14,320
and i was like yeah and you can hear the

649
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,240
screaming and that was pretty much

650
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,760
as much as i'd planned with that

651
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,080
interaction i was like someone's gonna

652
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,760
fool and i imagine they'll just let them

653
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,200
die because my players are sometimes

654
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,880
like that yeah yeah that's life

655
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,360
sometimes have a player die once in a

656
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,120
while but uh no they they ended up

657
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:31,679
rescuing the npc through some very

658
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:33,760
hilarious portal mechanics of

659
00:21:31,679 --> 00:21:36,000
dimension door and and saving them and

660
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,600
stuff and after a period of you know

661
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,000
shock where they were like i was just

662
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:43,039
about to die and now i'm saved by a

663
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:45,039
group of six crazy creatures that are

664
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:46,960
shooting fireballs and stuff

665
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:49,840
basically that was their

666
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,159
exposition machine to say oh [ __ ]

667
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,000
don't man the city's crazy right now

668
00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:55,679
you'd be crazy to want to go there and

669
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,039
then they're like ah we were just about

670
00:21:55,679 --> 00:21:59,600
to head up

671
00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:01,840
so this emphasis is like nah don't

672
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,600
you don't do that there's all sorts of

673
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,360
creatures flying around and throwing

674
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,120
people off the roofs and and all that

675
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:10,080
kind of stuff so that was i guess

676
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,360
i mean that embassy was quite

677
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,960
two-dimensional

678
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:14,159
but they served a very similar person

679
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,159
that could have been achieved through an

680
00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:20,159
item and yeah i kind of like that

681
00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:21,600
it's a bit reductive in a way to you

682
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:23,039
know there's more benefits to

683
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,400
differentiating between the two but

684
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,600
sometimes

685
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,120
i guess what i'm getting at sometimes

686
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,280
when you think oh an item might be good

687
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:31,919
maybe you know a book falls from the

688
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,840
city and they go oh this book has fallen

689
00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:35,520
which means that it's a bit messy up

690
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,200
there sometimes that might be better

691
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,679
suited to an npc

692
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,000
to be able to have a little bit more

693
00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:44,240
dynamacy a little bit more flexibility

694
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,760
and how to have that interaction with

695
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,039
the players rather than it just being a

696
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,799
one-way kind of uh mundane item yeah and

697
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,720
you can always also just combine the two

698
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,960
so say rather than being innate to them

699
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,039
it could be an item so like for instance

700
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,480
um the players i worked for part of a

701
00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:59,760
wizard's guild where they had a series

702
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,600
of really powerful mages with an item

703
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,679
called armor breakers and so what they

704
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,400
were was like plus two equipment that if

705
00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:07,520
you

706
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,280
exceeded the ac check

707
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,720
on a roll it had an additional effect so

708
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,919
like one of them casts funder wave if

709
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,280
you exceeded the ac by three and so that

710
00:23:13,919 --> 00:23:17,760
was just a really powerful ability that

711
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,280
the npc had and hey maybe the npc gives

712
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,960
it to one of the players after like a

713
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,600
really big quest or something

714
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:26,559
oh man that's that's so like

715
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,480
if say the ace is 15 they hit 15 16 or

716
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:30,480
17 they hit they got 18 on their roll

717
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,520
yeah yes they hit as normal but then 18

718
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:36,240
and up they also cast thunder wave yep

719
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,640
so like trip or something that's uh

720
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,279
that's cool yeah

721
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,320
um i'm gonna steal that

722
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:44,460
she's gonna give credit to the

723
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,960
show-n-flat podcast every time yeah

724
00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:48,880
[Laughter]

725
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,720
and because you hold an 18 you get to

726
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,080
cast thunder wave credits the show

727
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,640
podcast

728
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,400
[Laughter]

729
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,480
exactly just like that i'll bring up a

730
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,679
little watermark on my my discord camera

731
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,679
as well

732
00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:02,880
so just so they know yeah thank you very

733
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:06,159
much

734
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,080
um i know that that is a very cool idea

735
00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:10,559
so yeah sorry thank you thank you for

736
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,159
humoring me there and listening to me go

737
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,320
round around the houses

738
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:16,400
no it's not good a brain just just

739
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,559
throwing out crazy things i'm thinking

740
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,400
up on the spot but um

741
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,480
yeah i mean i'm

742
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,600
stoked because i felt like i've learned

743
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,640
a lot and

744
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,480
we've talked about a whole bunch already

745
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,679
one one thing that i wanted to get your

746
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,760
take on and again this is going to be a

747
00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:34,880
decent question i think because of the

748
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:37,200
nature of our games

749
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,120
so one of my notes was about pricing and

750
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,559
pricing magical items and i already know

751
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:43,919
what your answer's going to be but my

752
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:45,360
hit i'll i'll ask the question anyway

753
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:47,360
was that i think there's some broad

754
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,720
guidance in xanathar's but really

755
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:51,520
there's no

756
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,679
yeah kind of hard written this costs x

757
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,640
or even you know blue items cost y and

758
00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:56,320
greenland

759
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,919
i never [ __ ] know what to cost items

760
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,520
i just

761
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:00,720
i don't even know at this point like

762
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,400
that's another thing where i just make

763
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,480
it cost x and i balance the entire

764
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,480
economy over the prices i give players

765
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,919
mm-hmm yeah as i that's what i thought

766
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,640
that you would just eyeball it funnily

767
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:12,400
enough but yes yeah yeah old man mcguppy

768
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,520
this fish man that just like hey you

769
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,360
want to buy some items

770
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,440
yeah i i

771
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:21,200
i am a fool because funnily enough that

772
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,039
when they were in that elven city before

773
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,039
um before us all being attacked by

774
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:27,200
lovecraftian horrors they went to like a

775
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:29,679
little minor magic shop and i'd set up

776
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,679
a a bit of machiavellian of me i have to

777
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:33,120
say but i'd provided a number of

778
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:35,600
trinkets and baubles so we're not

779
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:38,480
talking like you know legendary or even

780
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,000
blue items mainly just gold and uncommon

781
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,720
i like utility you know maybe about 10

782
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,720
of the utility and aesthetic items but

783
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,880
the total cost was more than the current

784
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:50,320
gold they had which was a as i said a

785
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:52,480
bit a bit mischievous of me to uh

786
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,320
to meta in such a way but i wanted to

787
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,720
force the interesting decision of well

788
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,240
we've got a limited resource what should

789
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,760
we buy without then how do we want to

790
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,279
cut it do we want to get two weaker ones

791
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,240
or one stronger one or whatever that's

792
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:06,880
always the dilemma isn't it and uh

793
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,799
to get to that you know obviously to to

794
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,279
do that to achieve that interesting

795
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:13,200
decision i had to know what to cost them

796
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:15,840
and that was a rabbit hole i was not

797
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,840
prepared for

798
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:21,039
i mean i guess i could have attributed

799
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:23,200
you know dan low's own cost homebrew

800
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:24,799
cost to these items but then i don't

801
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,799
know maybe for some reason at that time

802
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,080
that seemed like more work and then

803
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,919
actually trying to find the actual cost

804
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,159
of the items was absolutely was actually

805
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:33,760
more work so

806
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:35,440
that's true yeah sometimes you just got

807
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,880
to give up on that kind of stuff economy

808
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,159
is just probably the most broken thing

809
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,559
because you know it's hard to eyeball

810
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:41,840
how much everything costs yeah yeah oh

811
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,240
good i'm glad it's not just me because

812
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,520
my economy is fine no no no yeah yeah i

813
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,880
don't even know if my players have a use

814
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,559
for money anymore

815
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,279
yeah yeah i

816
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:52,960
i i find that i guess if you want to

817
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:54,640
stretch the terminology get the golden

818
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,360
items and treasure and diamonds and that

819
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,360
count as items yeah and i i always did

820
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,200
find it a bit weird that you know like

821
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,559
the the treasure tables and the rolling

822
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,279
tables and all the loot in the books

823
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:07,679
it's like you find 2 000 g's worth of

824
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:09,760
gold and i there was always a niggling

825
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:12,080
thought in the back of my head that like

826
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,880
is that good because it doesn't sound

827
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,000
great

828
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,480
if you're playing like a one shot or

829
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,840
even a short campaign like five sessions

830
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,440
realistically

831
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,480
unless you set up some there's a shop

832
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,760
next door

833
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,120
which is kind of contrived you may as

834
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,799
well just skipped out them finding their

835
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,640
gold and just just give them the money

836
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,640
exactly yeah exactly right

837
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,120
oh oh it's a longer term campaign like

838
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:34,960
hours where eventually money becomes

839
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:38,320
completely redundant anyway yeah so

840
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:41,600
i could i just couldn't seem to find

841
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,279
the particular game where that worked

842
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,640
i mean you always got to see what does

843
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,240
and doesn't work it also depends on the

844
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,559
campaign

845
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,720
obviously if you were running like excel

846
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,159
spreadsheet campaign where you know you

847
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,000
counted and you know that everything had

848
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:56,000
a value and and

849
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,799
managing finances was an element then

850
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,039
yeah for sure i can see why you'd wanna

851
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,480
have it but otherwise it's just like

852
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,520
it's just like nothing it's just like

853
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,200
you find the end of the dungeon here's

854
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,080
2000 gold

855
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,000
oh

856
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,039
great

857
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,320
it doesn't really

858
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,720
it doesn't really strike it because i

859
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,320
think the problem is is you need

860
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,440
that in of itself

861
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,679
in d and d

862
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,919
isn't a reward it's

863
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:21,919
predicated on there being a way to spend

864
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:23,120
it which in of itself is determined by

865
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:24,320
the dm

866
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,399
so even though you might have given

867
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,919
players 2000 gold you actually haven't

868
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:29,840
given them the actual reward until

869
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:31,840
you've given them a shot to spend it in

870
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,440
which until they get there

871
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,559
they don't know when or where that is

872
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,399
which is just nothing yeah but yeah so i

873
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:40,080
did i did do in that in that research of

874
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:41,200
mine i did do a whole bunch of i googled

875
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,399
and asked a whole bunch of people that

876
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,480
said i need to price them and i got a

877
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:46,799
number of good resources to doing so

878
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,480
both specifics and broad

879
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:51,120
but there's a there's a tt rpg i'm

880
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,799
looking at a new one and the way they do

881
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,559
things against

882
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:57,600
against the dark master and the way they

883
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:59,360
do things which you might like is

884
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,600
from what i understand they just there's

885
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,399
no monetary that there's no numerical

886
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,600
value to money yeah based on your you

887
00:29:04,399 --> 00:29:07,360
know your kin

888
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,600
your lineage your background all that

889
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,240
kind of stuff determines

890
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,840
kind of like a bracket you fall in and

891
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,720
basically if something is in your

892
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,399
bracket or lower you can afford it

893
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,320
essentially and that's that's it really

894
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:22,159
yeah yeah that's it's just it's also

895
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,440
just like money all doesn't it's just

896
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:25,120
weird bookkeeping where it doesn't

897
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,480
matter until it does that's a good way

898
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,120
of putting it doesn't matter until it

899
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,700
does but then it's not fun

900
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,969
exactly

901
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:34,969
[Music]

902
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,240
[Music]

903
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,120
another thing

904
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880
there

905
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,480
then around

906
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,279
rarity

907
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,320
so

908
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:50,399
when you're

909
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,039
santa claus and just throwing magic

910
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:54,240
items at you out yet bag left right

911
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,000
which is the image i have in my head of

912
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,080
course relatively relative to the grinch

913
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,120
which is me of course hoarding them all

914
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,440
yes that's very accurate

915
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,520
[Laughter]

916
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,150
if i was any good at r i'd draw us in

917
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,880
you know in that situation

918
00:30:05,150 --> 00:30:09,600
[Laughter]

919
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,760
but uh so in terms of like rarity then

920
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,600
does that even come into your equation

921
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,520
of that or is that just just give them

922
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,120
light i think they'll like

923
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,480
i mean within the power level of

924
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,559
obviously if it's like a damaging enemy

925
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,480
give them a plus one or something

926
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,440
yeah i also have a nara system so let me

927
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,960
know what's good to talk where i

928
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,320
actually if we want to get into like

929
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,919
what to do with the items that they just

930
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,279
don't really use anymore and how you

931
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:31,200
find new uses for that because i

932
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,640
actually have like a recycling magical

933
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,399
item mechanic if you would like me to

934
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,520
get into that oh yeah go ahead talk

935
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:37,360
about that that'd be interesting to hear

936
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,600
because that ties into something i was

937
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,039
going to talk about later on so uh so

938
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,640
what it is is they work for the guild

939
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:43,760
and so a mechanic i came up with was

940
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440
because they kept collecting like

941
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,480
different random artifacts and magical

942
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,399
pieces is

943
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,559
there is a forge and what they can do is

944
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:53,039
they actually can give different magical

945
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:54,720
items to be fused together to make new

946
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,240
ones but what happens is the way it's

947
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,200
fused is they have to call upon an

948
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,120
elemental spirit that inhabits the items

949
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,960
and so it turns it actually into like us

950
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,039
i would say like a mini boss fight where

951
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,960
they have to fight a creature that

952
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:09,279
represents what the new item will do

953
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,080
like for instance one player had a magic

954
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:14,159
bow a plus one bow um and he later got

955
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,640
like a plus two crossbow and he had like

956
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:19,279
a healing potion of giant strength and

957
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,039
so he combined the two into a potion and

958
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,200
so he had to fight like this archer

959
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,880
giant creature and then when he won you

960
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,840
know he got this potion where once per

961
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,760
day he can activate it and it give it

962
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,360
super sizes his arm and flies like a

963
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,960
giant arrow

964
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,120
out but he had to beat the boss to be

965
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,440
able to get that item yeah

966
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,919
that is is i love it because it's

967
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,320
classic like video game crafting oh yeah

968
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:43,600
it's 100 super video game in there yeah

969
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,600
yeah i like you know use the two

970
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,120
reagents to create you know but you know

971
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,320
warning these things will be consumed in

972
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,760
the process do you want to continue i

973
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:54,080
love i love that uh that's great um

974
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,600
and presumably you're home brewing all

975
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,679
the resultant items because there could

976
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,679
be any number of combinations

977
00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:00,799
yeah so that's just been a mechanic i

978
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:01,919
really liked in the players really love

979
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,519
it because you know then they're

980
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:04,799
checking you know they're remembering

981
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,000
what they have because they have to go

982
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,519
through their inventory and say oh i

983
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,039
could use this and this and then runs up

984
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:11,120
oh i forgot i have this really cool item

985
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,279
like they i gave them like a it was like

986
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,120
a grooming kit where if you applied it

987
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,799
in the morning you would get plus one on

988
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,080
your charisma checks

989
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,279
so they like completely forgot they had

990
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,720
that in them until they were like oh you

991
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,519
should really start using this more you

992
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,080
know

993
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:26,480
it's part of my morning preparation

994
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,720
after i've done a long rest i love that

995
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,559
is also reassuring to hear because i've

996
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,640
heard and it's the same with myself even

997
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:34,720
though they don't have the the swimming

998
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,840
pools of magical items your players do

999
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,000
even so

1000
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,240
my players regularly forget

1001
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,559
that they're like oh [ __ ] yeah i forgot

1002
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,480
i had those like i think the the rogue

1003
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:46,080
again has got boots of elven kind and he

1004
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,679
just yeah just completely forgets about

1005
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,279
them half the time

1006
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:51,360
so that is a very good

1007
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:53,919
in universe way of getting them to dig

1008
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,080
through their bags and exactly find out

1009
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:57,919
what they've got yeah no i love that i

1010
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,159
love that all this random magic [ __ ] in

1011
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:01,919
their pockets

1012
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:02,960
i'd love to have them like

1013
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:04,640
oh you should do something where they

1014
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,320
like overload the machine or maybe

1015
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,000
there's like two like you know

1016
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
incompatible items or they put three

1017
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,919
items in then something

1018
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,159
crazy happens maybe that's definitely an

1019
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:15,600
interesting direction

1020
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:18,240
so far limited to two because i also

1021
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,960
have to think of like items then

1022
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,480
yeah yeah yeah sure sure oh yeah sorry

1023
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,320
i'm now like thinking about you're just

1024
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,919
like i just i just want to play d d

1025
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,000
right now

1026
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:30,399
the curse the curse of running the show

1027
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,820
is that is often the case of what

1028
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:33,039
happens

1029
00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:34,399
[Laughter]

1030
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,600
but for those

1031
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:38,399
i think i think

1032
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,720
that is a solution to power creep i

1033
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:42,880
guess is one way to put it so and i

1034
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,240
think that's quite inevitable especially

1035
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,679
in longer form campaigns uh where

1036
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,360
there's you know you're leveling up from

1037
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,799
like one to ten one to twenty or

1038
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,600
whatever and it isn't just a one shot

1039
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:56,480
where the plus one long sword might seem

1040
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:59,279
you know insane at level three

1041
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,480
but then level seven onwards it doesn't

1042
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,159
really make a difference someone's

1043
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,120
taking a feat and they've got plus two

1044
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:06,880
in there you know their primary skill so

1045
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000
my sword doesn't even do that

1046
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,879
so like

1047
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,879
in in in campaigns where there aren't

1048
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:15,679
so many magic items or this you know

1049
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:17,599
magic forge doesn't exist wha what have

1050
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,879
you got any thoughts around like

1051
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,879
how to

1052
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:23,040
get around that or is your solution just

1053
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:25,040
also to be like just chuck it it just

1054
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,480
gets upgraded it's just a long it scales

1055
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,000
with the players in a way you could do a

1056
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,679
very video game thing where it scales

1057
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,040
with the players well i mean that's why

1058
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,359
i have that recycling mechanic because

1059
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,960
even if an item isn't really powerful

1060
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:36,240
enough you can merge it with other

1061
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,480
unpowerful items and that's how you

1062
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:40,000
might be able to get a plus two

1063
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,480
so that's really what i have done and

1064
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,119
then yeah just naturally just find new

1065
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,599
tools and stuff and also i

1066
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,440
the combat encounters are more i guess

1067
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,639
cinematic so it's not super important

1068
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,159
that they need to become more powerful

1069
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,240
as long as they feel more powerful

1070
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,599
mm-hmm and how how do you achieve that

1071
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:57,440
how do you how do you achieve that

1072
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,880
feeling for the players well yeah so

1073
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,040
like i said like i dynamically change

1074
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,640
the stats i encounters i make sure they

1075
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,680
have weaknesses that play up to it so

1076
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,359
you know if a player thinks that a

1077
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,560
creature has a weakness and they don't

1078
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:07,760
there's no reason why they can't have

1079
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,960
that weakness to make the player feel

1080
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,160
like they're clever mm-hmm you know

1081
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,079
we play very different games

1082
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,440
that's fair i just that you know it's

1083
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,640
like when you don't prepare anything you

1084
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,000
should at least let the players get the

1085
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,040
most out of what they're trying to do

1086
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,040
because it's not like they have anything

1087
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920
they're ruining yeah

1088
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,680
i'm

1089
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,680
so ambivalent right now because on the

1090
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,560
one hand i'm jealous of your like

1091
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,960
free-wheeling care you know carefree low

1092
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,200
risk but high reward way of playing it

1093
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,960
but then on the other hand i'm like

1094
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,480
no but things have to be

1095
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,480
you know

1096
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,240
undeads are undeads and that's it and

1097
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,000
you know they're weak to to radian

1098
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,520
damage but resistant to bludgeoning

1099
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,520
damage and that's that's

1100
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,599
that's it that's my two my two sides and

1101
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,760
my personality are now very much in

1102
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,359
conflict so thanks

1103
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,599
oh geez i'm sorry to bring such

1104
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,839
struggles for your life yes yes first of

1105
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,560
all dnd

1106
00:35:56,839 --> 00:36:01,200
problems that would be a good name for a

1107
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,839
podcast yeah yeah yeah that's winte

1108
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,640
first world edition yeah oh okay

1109
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:08,720
trademark trademark uh right

1110
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,079
thank you

1111
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,680
okay so

1112
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,040
this this question there might be a

1113
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,640
little bit more up to your street in

1114
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,440
which case then

1115
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,520
do you have a favorite item

1116
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,800
oh yeah so my favorite and this one just

1117
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,560
completely can break the game it's

1118
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,599
called nagrum staff

1119
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,160
where uh do you have any guesses

1120
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,200
presumably that's someone's name

1121
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,000
um

1122
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,760
but

1123
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,800
outside of that no

1124
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,760
so it is a staff that when it touches an

1125
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,240
object within your size or smaller or i

1126
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,560
guess medium or smaller it allows you to

1127
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:45,510
cast polymorph to turn it into any other

1128
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:49,040
object that it is an anagram of

1129
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:49,040
[Laughter]

1130
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,320
okay

1131
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,720
okay

1132
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,200
oh man again that's like

1133
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:59,200
there's a theme appearing here uh like a

1134
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,880
wordplay theme for you i know i'm

1135
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,079
gradually like working out what ticks

1136
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,240
your boxes right okay okay uh i'm not

1137
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:08,320
very good with spelling so as the zephyr

1138
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,920
thing should have really painted a good

1139
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,680
picture of earlier on so i'm struggling

1140
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,560
to think of one off the top of my head

1141
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:17,760
uh what what use cases have have you had

1142
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,960
so far with that sure so like there was

1143
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,920
a golem

1144
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,000
where they were able to bestow life into

1145
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,280
it by changing part of the earth into a

1146
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,880
heart

1147
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640
ah

1148
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,599
so that's one where it's like if you you

1149
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,760
just have to let it go because you're

1150
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:33,359
going to break a lot of stuff yeah but

1151
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,040
it's also the players it's a lot of work

1152
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:37,040
to find good combinations so it's really

1153
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,520
one of those where either they don't use

1154
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,640
it or they have a very very clever idea

1155
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,320
yeah

1156
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,160
yeah i can imagine

1157
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,400
it being

1158
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,880
uh you can't really plan for that as the

1159
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,560
dm i would say you just it's a good it's

1160
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,599
a good like one shot or maybe a

1161
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,040
two-parter where you let them think

1162
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:55,839
about uses and then if they break things

1163
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,599
in the second session it's fine

1164
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:59,040
it reminds me of like those those those

1165
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,640
video games where you can draw you you

1166
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,800
type in what item you want to appear and

1167
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,320
it just appears and you can use it

1168
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,079
it's that similar thing let me just

1169
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,640
completely change the

1170
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:10,560
uh the world here okay do you know why

1171
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,520
it's called nagrum i presume it's an

1172
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,200
anagram

1173
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:17,200
of anagram yeah yeah okay good good

1174
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,880
i'm gonna obviously in post cut all this

1175
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,680
out and say well it's an anagram of

1176
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,960
anagram of course and

1177
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,240
it actually would work differently

1178
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,760
though in the uk because you spell some

1179
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,839
words different so

1180
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,240
uh well maybe just the you right you

1181
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:32,240
drop the news over there which would

1182
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,400
make things more difficult i would

1183
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,359
imagine man spelling really isn't my

1184
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,610
forte

1185
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:40,640
if that isn't patently obvious already

1186
00:38:37,610 --> 00:38:43,440
[Laughter]

1187
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,599
uh i see i knew i knew that you like as

1188
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,440
soon as i asked you like boom i know

1189
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,599
here's my favorite item of all time

1190
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,359
that's now i know

1191
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,119
yeah another one i really liked is um it

1192
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:57,200
was a fedora where if you tap if you

1193
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:57,200
tipped it it would cast zone of truth

1194
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,900
no one ever no one ever used it i'm just

1195
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,680
here to interrogate you milady

1196
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:07,440
[Laughter]

1197
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,960
uh okay

1198
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560
though i think i think there's a

1199
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,800
homebrew item in the campaign i play in

1200
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,200
that the guy the the dm has given one of

1201
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,880
the players and it's it's a hat funnily

1202
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,359
enough and you can make

1203
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,359
like three spectral birds fly around it

1204
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:22,560
like proper looney tunes comic book

1205
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,560
style of

1206
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:28,920
like you're being dizzy essentially and

1207
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,920
that's it that's like it's gimmick

1208
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,920
what about then

1209
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,200
obviously none of your own well maybe

1210
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,040
some of your own maybe you did make some

1211
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,240
mistakes in the past but in terms of

1212
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,079
like let's go to the other end of the

1213
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,599
scale then like bad items do you think

1214
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:43,760
there are any like

1215
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:47,359
i know bad is you know subjective and

1216
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,960
relative but i'll leave you to define

1217
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:51,119
the scope but

1218
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,359
what items have you not enjoyed either

1219
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:55,200
creating or using or your players using

1220
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:56,720
so that's a really good question i think

1221
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,800
really the problem is if you make items

1222
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,720
that are too complicated or too obscure

1223
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,040
so that's really where you get into that

1224
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,200
oh i forgot i had this where they're not

1225
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,040
impactful enough they're not interesting

1226
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,319
you know it's also a problem where

1227
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,079
players will get paranoid about saving

1228
00:40:08,319 --> 00:40:11,280
it for later you know hoard it i feel

1229
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,560
like potions are really the only

1230
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,920
exception where players know they can

1231
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,760
just use it because they are frequent

1232
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,680
enough but sometimes you know they'll

1233
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,280
just hold on to like a massive damage

1234
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,400
item or a massive buff item just because

1235
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,079
they're like i don't know when i need

1236
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,680
this like this boss fight's going pretty

1237
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,359
well i don't need to you know give

1238
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,359
myself plus two for this combat and

1239
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:29,599
never have it again so that's really why

1240
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:32,319
i've tried to weigh towards items that

1241
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:33,680
have weird uses but are

1242
00:40:32,319 --> 00:40:35,599
reasonable on how much you can use them

1243
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,520
so that they feel rewarded and not have

1244
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,119
to be paranoid about is this the best

1245
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,400
time i can use it

1246
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:42,000
yeah there's nothing worse than having

1247
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,400
something and then not really being able

1248
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,000
to use it and doubly worse if it's you

1249
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,520
they're making you not be able to use it

1250
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,200
because you're you're holding it which

1251
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,160
is such a classic you know that's

1252
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,079
everybody

1253
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,960
suffers from that at some point he'd be

1254
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:56,800
in video games with ttrpgs um i think my

1255
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,599
guys have had a potion of

1256
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,200
invisibility for like 30 sessions and

1257
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:03,200
yeah that's something the players never

1258
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,240
will use yeah yeah i'll be knocking

1259
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,400
around in the bottom of their bag of

1260
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,240
holding foot until the credits roll yeah

1261
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,240
yeah i think so maybe there's drink it

1262
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:11,520
at the end just for fun yeah well that's

1263
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,280
the fun of the final bosses then you can

1264
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,119
just stack it on everything just do

1265
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,040
everything and then one shot it yeah

1266
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:18,240
yeah so i i think i definitely agree

1267
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,319
there that having

1268
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,319
reusable items makes sense because it

1269
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:24,640
lessens that burden of well if this

1270
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:26,319
doesn't work i'm screwed and the players

1271
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,160
have enough of that with spell slots

1272
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:29,839
like there's already enough of like

1273
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,000
here's a fourth level spell

1274
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:33,760
[ __ ] the enemy made this save well that

1275
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,839
was a waste of that slot today which you

1276
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,040
know which is already enough of

1277
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:39,359
a resource

1278
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,119
experiment so i think having items that

1279
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:43,440
are a bit more flexible than that

1280
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,480
definitely the way to go there yeah how

1281
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,560
about you is there any items you

1282
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,200
regretted giving your players oh

1283
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,280
so you know funnily enough

1284
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,319
yes one came to mind

1285
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,560
right then because you said

1286
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:56,480
over-complicating items and that is a

1287
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,839
pitfall you know i i like doing this

1288
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,200
podcast because i like

1289
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:01,920
letting other people learn from my

1290
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,560
mistakes and this is one where i feel

1291
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,440
it's not you know egregious but it it

1292
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,839
definitely is one where

1293
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,400
in my in my campaign there are

1294
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:14,560
eight or ten basically super magical

1295
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,240
macguffin artifacts

1296
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,640
and the players on the request together

1297
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,280
they got one and

1298
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,839
i

1299
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,520
i think i'd picked it up in my head a

1300
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:25,760
little bit more than necessary so i

1301
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,119
wanted it to be like oh it does this but

1302
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,440
it needs a little bit more so it does

1303
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:32,800
this as well and it's a suit of armor

1304
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:35,760
but it it does a whole bunch of really

1305
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,599
niche context specific things that

1306
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,880
really aren't getting seen the light of

1307
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:42,960
day so yeah it really swung from like

1308
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,200
this is sick to

1309
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,640
oh yeah he's got that evil armor on and

1310
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,040
that's what it's boiled down to and

1311
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,880
that's kind of sad to have this [ __ ]

1312
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,040
yeah to have this like really cool big

1313
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,960
you know centerpiece item

1314
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,400
boiled down to he's wearing big spiky

1315
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,920
i'm a lull

1316
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,240
and that's a failing on my part which is

1317
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,079
why uh you know it's it's it's good

1318
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,680
opportunity to have these these

1319
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,480
discussions and these thoughts because

1320
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,000
it's

1321
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,079
so everyone can can not do that

1322
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,440
but yeah so it was basically like plus

1323
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,359
some ac

1324
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,560
and because it was like you know ancient

1325
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:18,160
and fiendish he has

1326
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,200
telepathy

1327
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,160
with

1328
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,720
fiends within 60 foot which of course

1329
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,359
has just led him to going is it a fiend

1330
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:29,040
no next enemy is it a fiend no this is

1331
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:30,880
just the shopkeeper

1332
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,480
is it a fiend okay this one is flying

1333
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,960
with leathery wings but it's technically

1334
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,520
a demon so no

1335
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,160
so yeah that's led to just like so far

1336
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,079
just a disappointment um which is well

1337
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,440
done down low great um

1338
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:46,480
and then there's another one that means

1339
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,400
another ability where it's like if he

1340
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,440
is subject to a an effect that would

1341
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,280
move him so like thunder wave or even

1342
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,440
being just shoved

1343
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,680
he is i think it's just a like flower

1344
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,440
immune or like immune to the first 10

1345
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,440
foot of movement or something

1346
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,040
um which again sounds great on paper

1347
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,119
it's like i can't be pushed anymore

1348
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,040
except that every creature you're going

1349
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:09,839
to fight from now on won't ever have

1350
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,839
that ability here

1351
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,880
so finding those items which

1352
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,640
as we've touched upon earlier on are

1353
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,680
like always useful and always fun to use

1354
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,480
i think

1355
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,720
is is tricky and so

1356
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,640
setting dependent yeah

1357
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,240
exactly but uh yeah you still find

1358
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,200
success you know i would say more often

1359
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,560
than not they're at least excited

1360
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,000
because it's just fun to find an item

1361
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,680
and then you know when you give them so

1362
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,480
many it's it's actually not that big a

1363
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,680
deal some of them aren't successful

1364
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,079
really you're really layering on the

1365
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,319
benefits here of your like uh

1366
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,720
multi-item

1367
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:46,480
it's great not having to prepare

1368
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:47,599
[Laughter]

1369
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,839
um

1370
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:52,480
none of the others really spring to mind

1371
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:54,720
to me the only other thing that i'm

1372
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,599
not super keen on is straight plus plus

1373
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:00,160
weapons which is a symptom of not having

1374
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:02,160
as many items as you because the few

1375
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,839
they do find i want them to be

1376
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,800
spectacular which i know after what i've

1377
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:08,000
just said

1378
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,920
that even that fails sometimes but

1379
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,920
to me you know a plus one item isn't

1380
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,880
especially that level nine soon to be

1381
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:17,760
ten so oh mazel tov that's a big big big

1382
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,440
level yes yeah thank you uh i'll let

1383
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,240
them know because they think every level

1384
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,440
up is

1385
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:24,160
something they should be getting every

1386
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,920
episode anyway um but yes no i don't

1387
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,440
know they just seem a bit uninspired to

1388
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,040
me but

1389
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,079
having that extra flavor like you talked

1390
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:34,000
about earlier on is is maybe my fix to

1391
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:37,200
it's it's a plus one but

1392
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,359
oh and it's it's a plus one and

1393
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,560
uh i feel like there's a dm skilled

1394
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:43,119
product in that

1395
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,720
plus and or something like that you know

1396
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,880
weapon plus and or something like that

1397
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,560
is the name that sounds all right uh and

1398
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,560
it's it's a list of plus plus items that

1399
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,960
have got little flourishes on them to do

1400
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,359
other bits and bobs which i know

1401
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,560
i've read before a lot of

1402
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:00,880
people say you know to give a plus items

1403
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,720
some extra flavor is is you know

1404
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,800
describe them they are you know like

1405
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,480
dracula's sword that's ornate and this

1406
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,520
then it's got gems set down here but

1407
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,000
that's so

1408
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,520
i love it because i love theming and

1409
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,040
aesthetic and stuff but the moment

1410
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,400
you're in combat and again depending on

1411
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,079
the player that could just be forgotten

1412
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,400
about in an instant and is therefore

1413
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,640
back to being nothing so um and that

1414
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,319
makes sense yeah i will think about this

1415
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,200
now i want to go back and think about it

1416
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:24,319
uh

1417
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,520
but um

1418
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:27,599
on that

1419
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,960
a similar train of thought

1420
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:31,839
there are some

1421
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:35,599
items which

1422
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:36,480
uh almost like essential adventuring kit

1423
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,000
so

1424
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,280
i mean i presume your players have got a

1425
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,400
bag of holding

1426
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,079
uh

1427
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,599
i don't think they do actually oh no

1428
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:45,200
come on you can't you can't you can't

1429
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,119
spend 15 minutes talking about how many

1430
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,119
items your lucky players get and not and

1431
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:51,200
they don't have a bag of holding yeah

1432
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,800
they probably do

1433
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,000
what is this upside down world i'm

1434
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,520
living

1435
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,280
at some point at least it's not an issue

1436
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,319
where they fit everything

1437
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,520
well that's the thing is they keep

1438
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:00,880
merging all their items so they actually

1439
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,040
don't have a ton of magic items on them

1440
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,400
at all times ah are they making a lot of

1441
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,240
use out of that thing then that forge

1442
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,240
yeah yeah

1443
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,240
that's cool i was gonna well i was gonna

1444
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:13,040
say like i i seem to think that

1445
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:14,560
basically a bag of holding is

1446
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,960
uh

1447
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,119
mandatory adventures baby's first magic

1448
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,599
item yeah yeah for sure and then then

1449
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,760
that kind of begs the question of like

1450
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:26,240
for for newer dms it's just lost in the

1451
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,160
in the uh in the dungeon masters guide

1452
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,760
but it takes a little bit of experience

1453
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,319
to to find it and to see it and to

1454
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,480
realize that it's super useful and they

1455
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:36,400
should really have one uh

1456
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,000
so on and so on

1457
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,599
i don't know it almost seems like it

1458
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,400
should have it's like there should be

1459
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:44,480
their own section in the dmg that says

1460
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,760
like these are

1461
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,640
really

1462
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,319
typical useful adventuring items that

1463
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,559
you might want to think about having

1464
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:54,559
with your players

1465
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:56,960
what do you think about that or my wider

1466
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:58,240
mark there oh god i don't even know how

1467
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,000
to take that one in

1468
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,440
we've we've said so many interesting

1469
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,680
things that one might be a little too

1470
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,680
much

1471
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,880
it's happened i finally got to this

1472
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,440
place as a host where i'm

1473
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:15,440
i'm bamboozling the guest

1474
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,440
questions this filthy yankee i am

1475
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,720
um because like every every campaign

1476
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,160
i've played in there's a bag holding how

1477
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:24,559
many players put the bag holding in a

1478
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,400
bag of holding well not many because i

1479
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:28,000
think there's a meta understanding there

1480
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,599
that it's probably uh

1481
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
not a good idea but that doesn't stop

1482
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,400
players

1483
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,040
[Laughter]

1484
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,960
uh he was who's i was i was recording

1485
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,119
recently and a guest was telling me that

1486
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,559
um one of their players

1487
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,160
uh one of their players they had two

1488
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,839
bags holding in the party

1489
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,760
one of the owners of one of them went

1490
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:48,079
down was killed or incapacitated and

1491
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,920
whatnot and to transport the body they

1492
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:51,359
slung it in the other bag of holding and

1493
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,040
it wasn't until they were slung in that

1494
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:54,559
they were like oh

1495
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,839
[ __ ] didn't that person have their own

1496
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,720
bagger holding

1497
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:58,880
uh

1498
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:00,839
so there's i mean i guess it can happen

1499
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,960
you know benignly

1500
00:49:00,839 --> 00:49:04,400
innocently just know people usually will

1501
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,480
do that like to self-sacrifice

1502
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,079
themselves to take down a big bad it's

1503
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,319
little you know get eaten on purpose and

1504
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:12,319
then you know create the tactical nuke

1505
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:13,599
yay

1506
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:14,800
tactical nuke

1507
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:16,800
um

1508
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,720
yeah that's okay now i can't have my

1509
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,839
players listen to this because they'll

1510
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,359
go out and

1511
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:22,640
desperately try and find a second one

1512
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:24,000
and then that's where i'm gonna have to

1513
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,370
be like oh didn't you know you've got

1514
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,440
the only one anyway

1515
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:31,680
[Laughter]

1516
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,000
yeah so all i mean is that like they're

1517
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:37,119
just they're just like sending stones as

1518
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,800
well which i i know again if you have a

1519
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,480
you know one or two spellcasters in your

1520
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,680
party they diminish in

1521
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,880
usefulness

1522
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:47,119
as the levels go on but for most newbie

1523
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,800
parties it feels like they're just

1524
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:51,520
they're just like mandatory adventuring

1525
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,359
kit yeah what i'm getting at is if most

1526
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,000
adventurers need this mandatory

1527
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:57,280
adventuring kit it just is like

1528
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,960
i'm really i'm struggling to articulate

1529
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,800
but it's just like not boring in a way

1530
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,160
but like just a given it's not it takes

1531
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,920
the mystique away from them a little bit

1532
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,760
and i i don't know whether that was ever

1533
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,640
intended i mean i feel like you need to

1534
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,240
have some sort of baseline to really be

1535
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,079
able to play with it because if players

1536
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,480
don't have a sense of normality how are

1537
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,760
they supposed to know what isn't normal

1538
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,280
i mean people in the real world go

1539
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,280
hiking with the same things and the hike

1540
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,720
is still exciting

1541
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,319
you know it's what you do on the hike

1542
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,920
that makes it interesting and who you're

1543
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:26,240
with it's the friends we make along the

1544
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,440
way exactly so i i think it's perfectly

1545
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,119
fine if everyone starts with the same

1546
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,440
items and there is of course times where

1547
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:32,720
you can play around with that but yeah i

1548
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,839
i really don't think it's that big of a

1549
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,800
deal

1550
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:37,200
okay

1551
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,720
okay i might because i'm

1552
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,119
longer term planning to run this

1553
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,119
campaign again and where did i

1554
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:46,400
at some point they got given them by an

1555
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:47,760
npc and i think i might just mandate in

1556
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,920
the next group of players i'm just going

1557
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,680
to say and you get the speaking stones

1558
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,000
and you get the bag of holding and then

1559
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,359
just be like that it's done and i don't

1560
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,839
have to worry about it before you've

1561
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:59,359
even started you guys have who cares it

1562
00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:01,280
was a long-lost relic blah blah blah

1563
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:03,359
your grandma found it in the basement

1564
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,040
whatever doesn't matter you've got and

1565
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:06,079
then we don't i don't have to have this

1566
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,480
hello

1567
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:10,400
i'm your friendly neighborhood

1568
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,160
yeah quest guide here's your items that

1569
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,280
you'll need uh that's all right

1570
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,960
i heard

1571
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,720
uh again this is this is gonna be an

1572
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,559
interesting question i think well for me

1573
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:22,480
at least for you it's probably boring as

1574
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:24,640
hell but um

1575
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,040
i mentioned earlier on the like the loot

1576
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:30,960
table was the roll tables for you're in

1577
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:33,040
a dragons hoard bro for what you find

1578
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,880
actually this could go either way do you

1579
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,119
do you use those

1580
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:40,000
uh no okay i just i already know what

1581
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:41,280
they're finding ah okay that's that's

1582
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,040
different i might pretend they're all

1583
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,559
though ah

1584
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,720
okay okay

1585
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,960
because that that's very good segue

1586
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,480
there because what i was building to is

1587
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,400
i'm

1588
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,000
a fan of having

1589
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,119
like the magical items make sense which

1590
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,400
is probably why there's less of them

1591
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,640
because i don't haven't been to very

1592
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,400
exotic places yet but i always like the

1593
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,319
magic items to make sense in the world

1594
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,839
and where they are and it's not just

1595
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:07,680
like a random nine live stealer on a

1596
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:09,200
skeleton on a skeleton in the middle of

1597
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,440
a dungeon somewhere

1598
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,520
that's like what the [ __ ] why is this

1599
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,200
this is this is this is a

1600
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,119
screw the rest of the dungeon we're done

1601
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,680
like

1602
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,800
so does that is that why you already

1603
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,960
know what they're going to get because

1604
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,240
it makes sense in context

1605
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,920
yeah because again everything is

1606
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:28,160
tailored around the player experience so

1607
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,599
it's like i want to try and give them

1608
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,200
it's also when there are holes and what

1609
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,640
they can do do you don't really want to

1610
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,079
put up to risk because this could cause

1611
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,280
legitimate issues for the party or make

1612
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,640
it that they have trouble interacting

1613
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,240
with future elements

1614
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,760
so that's why you just want to give it

1615
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:41,200
to them and then you know there's still

1616
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,800
a sense of randomness for when they're

1617
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,839
crafting these items and that's when you

1618
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,119
kind of have to be like all right how

1619
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:46,400
did these two items interact which is

1620
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,599
you know effectively almost random

1621
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,440
because you don't know what the players

1622
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,599
want to merge

1623
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,920
yeah yeah so for example earlier when i

1624
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:56,079
mentioned that like dagger poison which

1625
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,680
was in the kobold dungeon which you know

1626
00:52:56,079 --> 00:53:01,680
koppel was known for their crafty poison

1627
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,559
traps and daggers and

1628
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:07,359
so that that made super perfect sense to

1629
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:08,720
be there yeah rather than like

1630
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:10,079
you know a lot of bastard sword or a

1631
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,599
long sword or a great axe or something

1632
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:13,200
which these three foot cobalts

1633
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:14,800
definitely aren't using so why on earth

1634
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,920
have they got

1635
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:20,400
great x so i that's why i

1636
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,640
cherry pick i would say

1637
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,480
so like every every magical item is is

1638
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,240
predetermined so i'm very much at the

1639
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,079
you know it creates more work for me

1640
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,599
because i have to go round about and and

1641
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,800
be like what would make sense here but

1642
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:37,599
then what's still good for the party and

1643
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,440
you know they have fun and get useful

1644
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,160
you know use out of

1645
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,200
but

1646
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:45,839
it's yeah probably more work than maybe

1647
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,280
required potentially overkill yeah

1648
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:49,440
exactly

1649
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,960
and then and then finally uh and that's

1650
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,079
the should be interesting again

1651
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,559
in xanathar's guide to everything they

1652
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:59,119
brought out they they included a bunch

1653
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:01,520
of like common and uncommon magical

1654
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:04,160
items like yeah just just aesthetic and

1655
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,839
theming and vibey ones do you have many

1656
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,200
of those not those specific ones but

1657
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:10,480
those similar in in style

1658
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,000
uh do you mind giving me an example i

1659
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,079
just i haven't read that book oh no

1660
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,240
worries so there's there's like the cape

1661
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,680
of billowing and it's literally like as

1662
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,440
an action you can cause your cape to

1663
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,640
billow you know majestically like a

1664
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:25,599
superhero

1665
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:28,079
or there's a uh there's a pipe of

1666
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:29,760
smoke monsters where when you puff like

1667
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:32,240
it's like gandalf's pipe and you can

1668
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,559
cause the smoke to take the form of

1669
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,799
various things there's

1670
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:39,599
the wand of conducting and it's like you

1671
00:54:36,799 --> 00:54:40,960
know uh wind waker zelda wind waker wand

1672
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:43,359
where you can just throw it you can just

1673
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,559
wave it in the air and everybody hears

1674
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:46,720
music

1675
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:48,160
i think there's one that's like a it's a

1676
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,920
walking cane

1677
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,960
but it can turn into just a regular long

1678
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,880
sword

1679
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,440
so i know there's like stealth

1680
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,599
yeah you know elements there but most of

1681
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,000
them oh there's like a

1682
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:02,079
i call it a chrono band but it's um an

1683
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,920
orb of time or something that allows the

1684
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,839
person just to know the time of day at

1685
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,520
any given moment oh that's really great

1686
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:09,520
and also there's one for direction as

1687
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,640
well a compass essentially that works

1688
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,480
you know whether it's not magical it's

1689
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,079
just a compass

1690
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,280
but it's like if you're on the ground or

1691
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,200
wherever wherever you can always it

1692
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,400
always points to wherever you need it to

1693
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:23,359
point to blah blah so those kind of like

1694
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,880
uh soft magical items that aren't like

1695
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:26,160
here's a mechanical benefit or here's

1696
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,040
something that could change the tide of

1697
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,400
combat it is it's very much like i have

1698
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,640
a capability because i'm like that's

1699
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,060
sick oh i spent 300 golden looking like

1700
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,559
a superhero all the time yes please

1701
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:38,880
[Laughter]

1702
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:40,720
um i'm not sure i would say maybe one

1703
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,480
that's in that kind of tier was i gave

1704
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,079
my players like these rbg potions where

1705
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,200
they kept randomly changing colors so

1706
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:49,160
when they drank them they could roll on

1707
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,160
the magic wild table once

1708
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:54,720
how how did that go i think one got the

1709
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,480
teleport ability for six minutes and an

1710
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,930
r1 grew eight feet

1711
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,079
uh

1712
00:55:56,930 --> 00:56:00,559
[Music]

1713
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:02,640
grew to eight feet okay but he was he

1714
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:05,200
was uh he was seven foot four so it

1715
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,040
wasn't quite as impressive

1716
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,640
that that's the kind of growth that like

1717
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,200
when you see your mum next she goes oh

1718
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,480
boy haven't you grown yeah yeah yes six

1719
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,960
inches

1720
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,960
i checked

1721
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:18,240
okay cool well um is there anything you

1722
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,000
wanted to talk about that we might have

1723
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,839
missed no i think that truly covered

1724
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,720
everything yeah

1725
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:26,880
awesome awesome well thank you so much

1726
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,559
david that was that was very uh

1727
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,960
interesting and entertaining and it's

1728
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:34,400
always good as a host to be

1729
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:38,000
uh i mean this nicely challenged on my

1730
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,520
status quo so i very do appreciate your

1731
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,920
joining me on this journey for this

1732
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,079
episode yeah i had an absolute blast

1733
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,359
thank you so much for having me on the

1734
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,920
show it was really fun to be able to

1735
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:49,520
talk to about d and d ah awesome awesome

1736
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,079
my pleasure uh is there anything you

1737
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,760
would like to promote yes absolutely i'd

1738
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,839
love to promote my show shown in flop as

1739
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,920
we talked about where um as i said it's

1740
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:00,000
the start of the show my host and i read

1741
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,839
a lot of kind of usually pretty bad

1742
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,359
manga but sometimes we find some gems

1743
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:05,119
with a guest we've had some really fun

1744
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:08,079
people we had sean from anime out of

1745
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:09,520
context we've had jeffrow from mother's

1746
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,280
basement was a really exciting guest we

1747
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,720
had tim bat from the worst of idea of

1748
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,319
all time and we're actually going to

1749
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,000
have one of the creators of dragon ball

1750
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:18,480
z the abridged series coming on the show

1751
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,799
in a few weeks so uh we've got some

1752
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,839
really exciting uh episodes coming up

1753
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:23,920
too

1754
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:27,680
amazing awesome that sounds

1755
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,760
very exciting so as usual check out all

1756
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,520
the links to david and training flop in

1757
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,160
the episode description i very much

1758
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:36,960
encourage you to check them out

1759
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:39,240
yeah we're on spotify itunes youtube

1760
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,280
patreon or um and our website is

1761
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,799
shonenflop.com yeah made sure as soon as

1762
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,280
i we made the show i was like let me buy

1763
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:46,960
the url nice and easy yeah yeah and you

1764
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,240
can find us on twitter at showdown

1765
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,359
flopcast amazing so yep uh for for your

1766
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,599
convenience everything will be in the

1767
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:56,079
episode description perfect thank you

1768
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:59,520
david once more for joining us thank you

1769
00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:02,640
everybody for listening at home

1770
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,319
as usual like follow review subscribe

1771
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,000
all that lovely stuff thank you all for

1772
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:09,839
listening and good night good night and

1773
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,280
now it's time for the patreon shout outs

1774
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:14,480
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1775
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,280
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1787
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,319
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1788
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:42,559
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1789
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:45,680
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1790
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:47,520
you drop me a rating on spotify which is

1791
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,119
a thing now you can do on the mobile app

1792
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:52,000
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1795
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,640
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1796
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:04,280
more than the other stuff to be honest

1797
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:04,280
so thanks again for listening and bye

1798
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[Applause]

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[Music]

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