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welcome thinkers to season 3 episode 6

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of thinking critically today's topic is

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editing

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[Applause]

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and today i'm joined by michael corley

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thank you ever so much for joining us

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today michael can you tell us a little

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bit about yourself well thank you danilo

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my name is michael corley i'm a voice

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actor magician and podcaster and for the

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past four years i've been the dungeon

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master for the chafing armor podcast

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and just to

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summarize that very briefly chafing

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armor is a real play dungeons and

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dragons 3.5 home brew rules

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where moresi the half-orc barbarian

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ticks the gnome paladin the thora the

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tiefling fighter penton the spell-scale

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sorcerer and distant bells the kinku

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rogue are on a mission from god to heal

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a mystic staff and save the world all

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while riding a necromantic chicken hut

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okay that's quite the elevator pitch

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consider my uh interest peaked um well

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thank you ever so much for joining us

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today michael absolutely the

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topic of today's discussion is editing

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so what does that mean to you in the dnd

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and wider ttrpg framework

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well editing is

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very

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near and dear to my heart

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my

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university degree is in radio television

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film with an emphasis on audio editing

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so that was literally what i went to

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school to do and then promptly

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did not do it for any of my day jobs as

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you were um

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so as often happens with people in in

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roles like that

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so but i love editing and when i watch

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movies when i listen to things i i'm

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always paying attention to the editing

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because it just

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really makes such a tremendous

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difference uh the biggest thing that

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that i'm the biggest proponent of when

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it comes to editing is clarity

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uh that's that's what i wanna i want you

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if you are considering editing your

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podcast and i definitely recommend that

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you should

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that you should start with that is how

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can i make this as clear to the listener

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as possible

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if i if i'm failing at that nothing else

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matters it doesn't matter how great the

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music is

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if the music overwhelms

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the player's voice

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it doesn't matter how great that sound

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effect is

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if it's in the wrong place and confuses

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people

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you know and that's where why i think

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when when you are considering editing

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your show you should think about clarity

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okay so do you mean let's define what

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you could mean by clarity there because

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as soon as you mentioned it to me

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that to me

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you know a non-educated and non-audio

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engineer educated person either means

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quality of

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the audio signal for please excuse my

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ignorance but um you know just just how

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well it sounds and i realize the irony

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you know people are listening to this

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now probably going well it doesn't sound

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very good

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[Laughter]

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and then versus the the other side of

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that clarity coin in terms of like

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information so like making sure that

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the content is

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clear the content is has clarity so are

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you know how do you kind of split a

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difference between those two definitions

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well i absolutely mean both and it's a

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it's a balancing act between the two

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you absolutely and and as the

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conversation goes on i'm going to talk

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specifically about things you can do for

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the audio clarity that you know you want

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your player your different voices and

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the sound effects and the music and

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everything to be understood

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but also the storytelling and

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obviously

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episodic type thing the storytelling is

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going to be very important but my

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goodness how could it be

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more important than when it's at

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dungeons and dragons or other

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you know role-playing game where you are

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literally telling a collaborative story

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the the choices you make in editing are

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going to make the difference between

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people understanding what's going on

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and being very very confused

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yeah i'm just

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that's a classic

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i'm very proud of this

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segway i'm about to talk about here uh

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that it's literally just come to me i

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think that's a similar kind of

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issue

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to though there's there's an age old

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discussion is whether the dm should do

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the the last session recap whether the

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players should and there's there's you

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know pros and cons to both arguments and

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pretty much it boils down to whatever

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you guys want to do is

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make sense for your game um there's no

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one right answer obviously

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but one of the criticisms against

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well actually both

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of those both the dm and the players

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giving the last session recap is that

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they might miss

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critical information so from the dms

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perspective they might do the recap and

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either skip things that the players

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thought were important but weren't

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actually important and have thereby kind

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of shown their hand a little bit

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um and likewise might just miss things

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because to the dm it's oh well of course

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they'll know that that's trivial so i'm

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not going to bother i'm not going to

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bore them with that information again

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when in reality the players would be

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lost without it and vice versa the

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players might

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grossly misunderstand something and

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skip over bits that were important that

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they think aren't important and i think

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that's the same with kind of like

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editing the actual play especially if

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living it if you are playing it or or

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running that game and then also

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responsible for editing it i imagine it

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could be sometimes difficult to see the

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wood for the trees and be like is that

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bit really important no i'll cut it out

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because i know we were just goofing

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around at the table it doesn't really

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mean anything important but then

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you might actually be surgically

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removing like the soul

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for lack of a better term with the show

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uh again i'm speak this is all what i'm

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hypothesizing having not had to edit an

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actual play before but am i am i broadly

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in the right speculation this is wild

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speculation in any way grounded in

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anything no you're you're absolutely

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right and to

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start with what you first said which is

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should the dungeon master or the players

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recap they're like you said there's

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valid arguments to both the reason i

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recap at the beginning is because i

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personally if i listen to a podcast

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i want to get to the action as quickly

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as possible yeah uh i'm not mad at

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people if they want i i have shows that

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i love

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but my goodness they spend a solid 10

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minutes just gibbety-gabbitting

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and i will literally just hit the scrub

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boop it all skip forward like five

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minutes and then say oh are they talking

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about the subject nope

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i want to make a show that i would want

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and so if on a normal chafing armor it

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starts with my voice i i personally like

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it when you hear a human voice first

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i'm not mad at somebody if they have a

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if their music is first but it says

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death woes and then the music hits music

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is 10 seconds long

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uh just long enough to be music to be

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intro but short enough that they don't

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want to skip through it

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and uh it fades out and then it comes

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back welcome back to the chafing armor

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podcast and i i go right into

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i i introduce all of the players because

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i want to make sure that they are all

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introduced

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and i uh you know have them tell us who

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they're going to be playing and then i

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very briefly recap and the re i could

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absolutely you know like have a roster

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where each player recaps the last

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episode

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but i want to get to the action

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and so that's it that's a choice that i

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out of expediency because i know that i

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can very very simply do it and get us to

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so if i if i left the recap to my

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players well that would be half the

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on any given session

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um of them you know talking about you

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know just jokes and goofing around and

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this that and the other so i think for

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for my game the reason i do it is it's a

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very clear bookend to be like right

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banter is you know

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we don't care about what you have for

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dinner or any more your life that is now

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the game has begun and it's a very clear

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line in the sand to be like

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here's me talking for

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use those 50 seconds to kind of occupy

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the headspace of your character

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rather than kind of slowly

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meander your way into the role play

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zones that's why i do it

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at my at my home table of course but to

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leap frog off of another point you made

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there about the kind of the opening of a

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funnily enough i was looking recently at

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listener stats and how to improve

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engagement and retention and all that

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kind of stuff and

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shocking to a naive person such as

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how much you know like long intros can

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impact retention so i can i totally get

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why you're like 10 seconds of music and

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no more because

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people will just especially new

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listeners will just

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be like what is i don't care boom done

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but that is such a such a huge deal and

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i'm already thinking like maybe i need

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to restructure my intro

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because now it does open with a it does

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open with the intro musics now i'm like

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oh god i've embarrassed myself and i

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already 10 minutes

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to be honest that was an offhand comment

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from a uh a professional editor yeah uh

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he said and i was like oh my gosh i i i

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so like because when my i've had three

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career

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and uh i transitioned them over to that

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after hearing that because i really like

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that when you hear a voice and you'll

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hear a lot of people do it the other

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thing that i do

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this is to kind of like show off my

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editing skills and it's also

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it's like in a movie where uh if you

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think about like a james bond movie

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where they do the cold opening and it's

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like not necessarily directly connected

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to the story or just tangentially

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uh i will often do a cold opening and

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that is actually scripted

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where i have written a thing and the

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characters the guys are playing often

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characters that are not their characters

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and it gives me a chance to show the

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rest of the world like i can show a den

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of thieves or i can show a you know a

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governor somewhere or i can have a group

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of gods talking to each other yeah and i

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can really go heavy on the editing and

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the music and the atmosphere and it's

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very short they're usually like two or

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three minutes long

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but

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it's exactly what you were saying

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earlier like that would draw somebody in

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uh and that's what i'm going for

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yeah

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uh this is this is probably way too meta

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for me to like because immediately as

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we're talking about it all i can think

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of as ways to improve my own show so i'm

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being

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absolutely selfish sorry listeners but

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that's the

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that's the nature of the feast

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well when you when you asked me about

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subjects there were a lot of different

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things i could talk about i mean we're

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all you know anyone who's listening to

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this loves dnd and loves podcasts and

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there's a million different things i

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could talk about but what when you said

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improving

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like there's a million things i could do

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to improve my show and i was like what

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is the one thing i could probably talk

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about that would be most helpful

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and i wish someone had talked to me

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about editing especially editing a

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multi-track show before i had started

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yeah like likewise and that's

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i'm i'm fortunate enough to be

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of um you know i i have the the capacity

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to learn new skills

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relatively quickly and you know there's

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an element of enjoyment in that exercise

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for me so i i went from literally no

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audio experience

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whatsoever to having some some web files

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knocking around that i needed to somehow

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quote unquote edit and whatever that

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really meant to a naive young down low

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12 months ago

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you know

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eq couldn't tell you what it stood for

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couldn't tell you what it was um so i've

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i have really enjoyed the

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progression i'm gonna sound like super

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arrogant now but i have really enjoyed

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the hopefully noticeable improvement in

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clarity in every definition of the word

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from episode one all the way down now

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into season three

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where i've

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had to learn as i i've gone on

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and improved as i've gone on and as i

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was telling you 15 minutes ago my little

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little intro

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warm-up speech that all the guests get

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that's now like honed after

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50x episodes of recording and

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so has my editing process so

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i guess i'm quite fortunate and then

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normally i've only got two tracks to

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edit yours and it wasn't mine the guests

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of mine

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how many you say four players in your in

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chaffing armor uh so

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five uh five players so it's a it's a

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six track

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editing uh and that in addition to that

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it is uh

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i have a track for my sound effects i

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often will have two tracks for sound

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effects because i may need to do two

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simultaneously

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and then also there's track for music

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and then there's a label track which

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i'll i'll get to in a little bit but

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before before i get to those those

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tracks in multi-track i do want to

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mention to the people listening if you

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heard all of that and you died inside

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um

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first of all you don't have to edit your

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podcast i just want to throw that out

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there the most popular show

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in dungeons and dragons right now of

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course is critical role it's not edited

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you know stop and think about that for a

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minute i mean they may throw a noise

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reduction

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you know before it goes out to podcast

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but the show itself is not edited you

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know they they do take a break in the

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middle and i'm and they cut to

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commercial so there is some light

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editing but the actual show the people

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talking to each other is not edited and

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the music is played live

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there

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so from a from a standpoint that is a

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non-edited show

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and so i i want you the listener if

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you're too intimidated to begin like a

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big editing project

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you don't have to

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because editing will greatly add to the

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total time

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that it takes for you to make your show

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what i'm here to tell you today is i

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think that it's worth it i think that

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you will get a better product and you

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will be happier with what you have if

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you do edit your show but i don't want

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concerns about editing your show to stop

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you from doing it

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no that's that's great that's such a

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nice

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kind of wholesome idea to have and to

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communicate and

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i'm going to scare more people off now

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by saying

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back when i started and this is because

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i was learning as i was going so

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inevitably it takes longer because i'm

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half the time is spent clicking buttons

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that you don't know what they do but for

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each one hour episode it was about four

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hours from beginning to end yeah which

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at the time i was like what

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why why have i started this stupid hobby

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uh

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and why didn't i know it would take

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those so long and now

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thankfully i've got that you know less

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than half of that time

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which is great because then i can focus

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on the other builds and whistles like

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transcription and

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making sure that you know they're

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promoted tweets

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looking a bit more professional and you

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know automated to a certain extent and

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that kind of stuff so it was

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exceptionally manual

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but you you can always obviously improve

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and get to a point where it is

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a more enjoyable experience as with any

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aspect of any hobby you know there's

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always that initial like

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i don't know what i'm doing and it's

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difficult into like oh i know what i'm

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doing and now i can kind of relish in

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the you know the small little bits here

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and there that i learn and pick up along

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the way

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well i i definitely want people when

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they're visualizing which way they want

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to go with this there are two major

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options and uh just as you mentioned you

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are recording our conversation on zoom

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as a contingency which is very very

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smart by the way

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um but what i what i want people to know

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is while i absolutely edit a multi-track

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show so each of my players are recording

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natively they're recording at their you

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know home on their computer

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you don't have to do that if you all

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talk to each other on zoom or discord or

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skype there are a numerous ways to

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record that audio all in one track

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if the multi-track is too intimidating

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you can do that

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it's easier

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it's less work for your players they

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don't have to record anything

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the downside is

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if that individual one is lost

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you're done it's gone uh the other big

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thing is you cannot then edit the

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individual tracks if one person is

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louder one person is softer uh you can't

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manually there are things you can do at

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the end but there you can't manually fix

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that and if there are any audio issues

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with one person

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there's very little you can do about it

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you can't isolate them

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exactly in general it's going to be a

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lower quality

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at the end of the day if it's recorded

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at home

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on your computer it's going to be a much

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higher quality than what you're

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recording is essentially all of that

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audio being shot out through the

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interwebs

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and then captured

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so there's always going to be some

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degradation there

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the other advantage to a single track is

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that it'll be easier for guests

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now like obviously again i'm a huge

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audio nerd you said i'm going to record

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this audio you know natively i'm like

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cool i know exactly what you're talking

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about i'm sure there are some guests who

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are like what what

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what what's that again you know so uh

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just if you are planning to regularly

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have guests just be aware that there may

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be a a a one-inch hurdle as they

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sometimes call it yeah of getting them

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to record locally

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we're gonna we're gonna peek behind the

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thinking critically curtain a little bit

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now perhaps for the first time to this

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extent

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but i can't i couldn't think of a better

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episode to do so where

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you're absolutely right due to that due

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to the nature of the show obviously i've

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had such a fantastic breadth of guests

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from from all experiences and all walks

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of life and i'm hopefully

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proud of myself that no one can

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obviously tell whether there's been a

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one-inch hurdle or not

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because i've managed to work with some

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you know fantastic willing and

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professional people to take that hurdle

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with me but it is at you know

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you're asking something of a stranger at

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that point and so you're pretty much

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relying on the kindness of strangers

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which obviously has

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the risks that that entails in your in

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your day as it does in your day-to-day

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life but um

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for me and this show in particular

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because the environment is uncontrolled

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for the guest

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until we start talking it's an

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uncontrolled it's a variable right they

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could be in a they could be in the

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sydney opera house or they could be

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inside their washing machine they

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you know it could be anything so

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i think

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thinking critically could only work on

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separate tracks so i can i have that

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tight control of those variables as much

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as i can once they've

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once i've once i have control i can do

565
00:19:55,919 --> 00:19:59,120
what i want

566
00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,240
which is quite why i kind of

567
00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:02,240
mandate

568
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,400
my guests to jump through those hoops at

569
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,200
the beginning here

570
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,159
and it gives you one other option is if

571
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:13,120
for any reason one player something goes

572
00:20:10,159 --> 00:20:15,120
critically wrong uh i've had twice in

573
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:17,039
the four years of chaffing armor where

574
00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:19,360
someone's audio just went

575
00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:21,200
just didn't record for whatever reason

576
00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:23,200
we were actually able to

577
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,240
like get the general gist of what they

578
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,400
had said

579
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,120
and just have them re-record it and i

580
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,880
popped it in and i guarantee you no one

581
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:33,130
ever noticed

582
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,520
the magic the magic of post-production

583
00:20:33,130 --> 00:20:38,480
[Laughter]

584
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,080
speaking of magic i did want to

585
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,039
talk about like kind of like you say

586
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,120
meta

587
00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:44,799
just a few things that

588
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,640
really will change the way you think

589
00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:49,360
about your editing

590
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,440
one of the biggest ones is hotkeys or

591
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:54,960
shortcuts whatever you call it

592
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:57,039
if you are doing a task more than twice

593
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,480
uh in your editing process you should

594
00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:00,480
consider

595
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,600
making that a hotkey

596
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,600
because it will greatly reduce the time

597
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,919
that you do uh now the perfect example

598
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,720
to this is the one that i i added early

599
00:21:07,919 --> 00:21:11,679
on

600
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:14,640
there is in audacity which is what i use

601
00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:17,760
there is a function called cursor short

602
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,600
jump left very lovely term and cursor

603
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,320
short jump right

604
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,679
what i did is i assigned those

605
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,440
uh two different keys that are right

606
00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:27,840
next to each other

607
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,080
and so what that allows me to do is if

608
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,080
i've done a complicated edit whereas

609
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,679
like i'm editing on someone's voice and

610
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,799
i'm i they said

611
00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:35,840
uh

612
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,080
and

613
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,159
and i decided to take that out you know

614
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,919
if i'm if i'm editing silence i it's not

615
00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:43,840
a problem i don't need to go back i know

616
00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:46,400
i just removed the silence but if i need

617
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,960
to get that just right i edit it and

618
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,480
then i hit that key and boop it skips

619
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,880
back a second

620
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,120
yeah and then i hit play and then it

621
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,120
will go and i can hear it and that

622
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,200
allows me between those two keys i can

623
00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:02,159
just kind of scooch

624
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,320
in the editing and it saves me so much

625
00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:06,559
time because otherwise i have to take my

626
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,159
mouse move to the place i want click on

627
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:09,200
the place that i want and hit play and

628
00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:11,039
you wouldn't think that would take that

629
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,679
much longer but when you're constantly

630
00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:16,080
doing it it will save you so much time

631
00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:17,679
so if you if you find yourself doing an

632
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,679
action

633
00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:22,480
on not all things can be turned into a

634
00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:25,200
short key but some of them can

635
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,039
and so definitely just just think about

636
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,400
that in your in your

637
00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:31,520
process

638
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,120
and it will save you so much time

639
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,880
yeah that ties into what i was talking

640
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:37,520
about earlier on those kind of

641
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,280
automation elements that's one part of

642
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,200
them just to

643
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,080
just to speed up and it is you know for

644
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,760
shows

645
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,559
such as ours that obviously quite long

646
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,039
in

647
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:49,039
length and have a lot of

648
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:51,039
repeated actions

649
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:53,200
but yeah those shortcut keys and that

650
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:55,039
automation is it adds up is what i'm

651
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,360
getting at over you know as i said if

652
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:59,280
i'm editing an hour long episode and i

653
00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:02,240
have to do that action

654
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,320
200 times or whatever and even if it's

655
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,080
only three seconds each i'm not gonna do

656
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,320
the math of the top of my head but span

657
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,520
that across every episode that i've done

658
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,960
clearly that's

659
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,600
life that i don't want to waste away

660
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,720
sitting in front of my computer

661
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,159
absolutely absolutely and i want to

662
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,799
one of the things you mentioned before

663
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:23,440
we started recording is mono

664
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:25,919
i do highly recommend that you record in

665
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,080
mono as opposed to stereo

666
00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:31,200
uh the reason is if you're recording a

667
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,559
multi-track show the the size of that

668
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,120
file

669
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:37,039
is going to be stupidly big and the odds

670
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,720
of it crashing

671
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,840
are going to increase the larger the

672
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,720
file is

673
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,520
and

674
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,159
the the benefit the the higher quality

675
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,279
that you get out of stereo is minuscule

676
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:50,400
but the

677
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:52,080
ease of the entire thing moving more

678
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,120
fluidly because you record you have them

679
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,360
in mono track as opposed to stereo

680
00:23:55,120 --> 00:24:00,400
by the way i have a hotkey

681
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:02,240
for converting mono stereo to mono if i

682
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,600
if i get a file and i just go i just hit

683
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,159
that hotkey and

684
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:09,279
you know put it into mono good to go

685
00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:10,080
uh so it's incredibly important uh the

686
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:11,760
other

687
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,120
one that's incredibly important just to

688
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,559
think about when you're editing is

689
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,520
silence

690
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,440
that kind of like you were saying

691
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,360
earlier with clarity it's it's there's

692
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,840
two different sides to silence

693
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:23,679
one is you want to remove

694
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,120
a lot of silence there's going to be a

695
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:28,960
lot of dead air

696
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:30,720
uh you do have the option uh i have a an

697
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,080
acquaintance who tried to show me

698
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,440
through reaper which is i believe what

699
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,760
you use yes

700
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,640
yes uh he tried to show me a system that

701
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,880
he uses for truncating silence is what

702
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,720
it's called is where you go in and

703
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,080
pop out all the silence

704
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,200
i have

705
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,600
never

706
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,600
run that where i was satisfied with it

707
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,200
now i don't want to say that that

708
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,039
doesn't exist you might be someone out

709
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,760
there who's got the settings right and i

710
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:57,360
don't but when you're dealing with five

711
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,520
six different voices and all these

712
00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:01,440
different things what i have found is

713
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,400
that the the computer is just not smart

714
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,240
enough

715
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,760
and you will find characters that

716
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,799
instead of saying you know let's go over

717
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,919
here it goes uh oh right here yeah uh it

718
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,679
will it will

719
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:13,200
clip out because they were speaking just

720
00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:14,400
a little more quietly at the beginning

721
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,720
or at the end

722
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,480
and a lot of people

723
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,960
work into their

724
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,360
words or work out of their words

725
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,679
my wonderful player lee

726
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:28,640
with his amazing australian accent he

727
00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:30,480
just kind of he will often kind of lead

728
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,640
into a word like that

729
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,080
and i found when i tried to use truncate

730
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,320
which i did try at the beginning of

731
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,200
chaffing armor it i didn't like what it

732
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,760
did

733
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,760
and it's a lot more work to go out and

734
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,240
manually remove those silences but i

735
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:47,440
think that it's really worth it

736
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,880
and the other side of silence is

737
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,240
killing sound

738
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,240
when you're dealing with multi-track one

739
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,200
of the real powers you have is and by

740
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,640
the way most of my silencing is me

741
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,840
because i'm the dungeon master i'm

742
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,240
talking the most

743
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,080
and what'll happen is if somebody says

744
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,720
something important you know like oh i

745
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,919
want to do this or this is what i say to

746
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,600
her blah blah blah and i don't like i'm

747
00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:11,440
i'm just a little lagged and i start

748
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,520
talking and i talk over them

749
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,080
guess what i can go in that multi-track

750
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,880
i can select it and hit silence

751
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:22,480
and boop i've just removed my voice and

752
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:25,760
now you can hear them clear as day

753
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,760
so silence is your friend uh you you

754
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,520
want to remove it and you want to

755
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,600
utilize it to

756
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,799
make your your audio sound good

757
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,600
yeah what i love about

758
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:38,559
sounds so lame what i love about silence

759
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,000
cool

760
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:44,799
is that it's despite all the like the

761
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,760
the mechanical nature of editing and the

762
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,880
kind of the the mathematics behind it

763
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,400
which because it's all just you know

764
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,159
ones and zeros and manipulating those

765
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,679
ones and zeros at the end of the day you

766
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:56,320
know when it comes to like

767
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:57,520
volume and equalizers and compression

768
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,799
and all that kind of stuff it's just

769
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,679
manipulating a form of data but what i

770
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,320
love

771
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:07,600
about editing is there's also this human

772
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,960
element of understanding the flow of a

773
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,679
conversation

774
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,559
which is why the truncate stuff isn't

775
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:16,240
100 perfect because sometimes you need

776
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,039
that silence

777
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,279
for

778
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:21,520
dramatic reasons for

779
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,880
to give the listener a rest

780
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,440
whatever it may be

781
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:29,279
and only really a human can who has the

782
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,360
intuition of a conversation can really

783
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:34,080
make that judgment cool within the

784
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:36,320
context of that discussion within the

785
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,120
context of that particular sentence

786
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,120
and

787
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:41,279
that's why silence

788
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,600
as you said you can use it to improve

789
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:44,960
the quality by like leaving it in in

790
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,880
some places

791
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,720
and not just like

792
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,799
i used to be

793
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,320
very strict in it it was

794
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,840
silence was bad

795
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,840
there's a big gap i can just see i can

796
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,919
just eyeball it on the waveform and be

797
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,480
like right take that out take that out

798
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:01,440
take that out but then now i'm

799
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,720
less

800
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,000
uh

801
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,159
surgical

802
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,600
and more kind of like actually no there

803
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,200
um you know we'll leave that bit in

804
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,880
there that makes sense that flows a

805
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,320
little bit nicer but it's that's it it's

806
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,720
an intuition

807
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,840
that you get with experience

808
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,440
and

809
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,039
that's what i kind of love how it's like

810
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,200
these two sides the same coin you've got

811
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:24,080
the one very heavy like

812
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:27,440
luffs and decibels and

813
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:29,840
tracks and mono and file sizes

814
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,840
married with like how does that how does

815
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,520
that conversation flow

816
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,600
should i take out that um or do i leave

817
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,840
it in because it implies that the

818
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,000
speaker is thinking about their answer

819
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,720
which is actually kind of meta

820
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,159
information to that sentence in a way

821
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,840
you don't you don't want to imply they

822
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:46,880
just had the answer for the top of their

823
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,520
head because it doesn't really make

824
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,720
sense like that those kind of nuances

825
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,799
are which

826
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,960
are like the interesting questions that

827
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:57,360
editing asks me when i'm going through a

828
00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,000
track which you don't get if you just

829
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,640
let the computer truncate the silence

830
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,720
i i couldn't agree more and uh i i think

831
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,720
of everything in movie analogies and

832
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,720
it's in the in the daniel craig reboot

833
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,720
when he first meets q

834
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,480
and q says that you know i can do more

835
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,480
before i drink my first cup

836
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,919
then you can out in the field

837
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,520
and he goes but i do acknowledge there's

838
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:20,480
someone who needs to pull the trigger

839
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,720
and bond says or not pull the trigger

840
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,480
and so exactly to your point is that

841
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,640
knowing part of being a good editor is

842
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,240
knowing when to leave the silence in

843
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,120
when there's a pregnant pause when

844
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,559
there's a big moment to leave that

845
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,240
moment

846
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,840
there was a moment where my players had

847
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,159
been in a plane

848
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,720
and there were these weird canyons that

849
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:42,000
just like went straight down and there's

850
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,000
a moment like

851
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,000
episodes and episodes later where you

852
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,000
zoom out where they're flying

853
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,880
and they look down and they realize it

854
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,520
is actually a massive miles and miles

855
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,240
long handprint

856
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,880
and that that a magically modified

857
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,600
bigsby's hand had been cast thousands of

858
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,679
years ago and had like just squashed a

859
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,640
tarasque yeah like a bug

860
00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:06,880
and

861
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,600
that moment was really big and if i had

862
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,039
edited out the silences in there

863
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,440
it would have

864
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,240
taken away from that moment

865
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,760
yeah

866
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,799
yeah that's what it's it's

867
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,760
as it's one of those things that

868
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:23,039
is

869
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,840
i can't i i learned intuition i guess is

870
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,919
the way is the two words i would use to

871
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,120
to describe that which everybody has

872
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:31,279
because we're all human beings who talk

873
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,799
to other human beings so that it it is

874
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:35,120
there

875
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,640
but because it's second nature and often

876
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,520
people hate hearing their own voice as i

877
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,120
did

878
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,039
but i found a good remedy to hating your

879
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,080
own voice is to listen to hundreds and

880
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,279
hundreds of hours of it so uh

881
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,960
yep

882
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,159
that very quickly got me over that

883
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,640
hurdle

884
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,360
whether i liked it or not

885
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,240
so

886
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,159
i

887
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,360
if we compare our two shows then so mine

888
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,720
is

889
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,039
i mean

890
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,640
trivial in comparison as i said it's

891
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,640
just the two tracks one on top of the

892
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,960
other and they can occupy the entire

893
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,480
height of my screen so it's very easy

894
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,960
for me to see

895
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,960
you know and to align them and stuff

896
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,399
so in in some ways i'm quite lucky i

897
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,200
have edited a couple of episodes which

898
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:17,840
had multiple guests before which were

899
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,120
an experience and oddly it isn't a

900
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,120
linear

901
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,880
increase so i was

902
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,320
very anxious going in because i was like

903
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,640
well geez

904
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,399
just two editing me and one guest takes

905
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,240
an hour at two hours

906
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:32,240
for sake of argument

907
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,720
with five guests well that's gonna be

908
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,320
like 12 hours but it isn't a linea you

909
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,240
get like diminishing returns it isn't

910
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,320
just a linear increase and i'm not

911
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,240
intelligent enough to work out

912
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,039
why or how that

913
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,840
is

914
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:47,919
but uh it wasn't quite as scary as i

915
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,919
thought

916
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:51,679
you will notice an increase but you're

917
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:54,240
absolutely right like editing

918
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:55,919
you know six as opposed to four isn't

919
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,080
that much more work now i do notice

920
00:31:55,919 --> 00:32:00,320
because i do do side quest episodes

921
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,519
where like one or two characters goes on

922
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,000
an adventure

923
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:06,320
uh and i i i do notice that those are

924
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,120
shorter as you can imagine like to edit

925
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,039
but

926
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,960
once you get like past two or three it's

927
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,519
it's pretty much the same

928
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,840
um i i do want to mention a couple of

929
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:18,080
what i really like when i'm getting a

930
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,919
how-to editorial is i want something

931
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,399
crunchy something i can sink my teeth

932
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:24,080
into that i you know like i can use this

933
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:25,360
after listening to this

934
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,120
and you know like i was talking about

935
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,120
the short keys and silence and things

936
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,000
like that the one thing i want to really

937
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,200
talk about before you edit is prepping

938
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,080
your file

939
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,399
okay because it will make a tremendous

940
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,399
difference and especially when you're

941
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:43,760
multi-track editing

942
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:45,760
before you put all the various ones in

943
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,760
the the master file

944
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,240
uh i cannot recommend enough just doing

945
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,440
a simple noise reduction going in

946
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,360
finding

947
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:58,159
an empty space where there's this

948
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,200
that that right there that is the sound

949
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:02,960
that my room is making you capture that

950
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,960
you select noise selection and get the

951
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,760
audio profile then select the entire

952
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,679
thing

953
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,200
and hit noise reduction it'll take a

954
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:10,480
couple of minutes it'll run through the

955
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,720
the file

956
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,320
that one thing

957
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,559
will make your

958
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,000
just instantly increase the quality of

959
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:20,480
your show

960
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,080
because what happens is that those

961
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,519
little noises

962
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,000
if you then

963
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:28,559
need to bring that level up yes

964
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000
it will proportionately bring up that

965
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,480
background noise and that background

966
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,320
noise may be invisible to you right now

967
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,080
but if you if that person was recording

968
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,799
a little quiet and you need to beef it

969
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,640
up

970
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,880
you're then bringing up that that hiss

971
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,960
or that pop or that electrical

972
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,880
outlet sound or that fan in the distance

973
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,640
that they didn't realize was there

974
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,039
uh and just doing that noise reduction

975
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,519
before you start will save you so much

976
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:53,200
agony yeah later yeah

977
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,960
it's another reason why doing

978
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,760
multi-track is so powerful because being

979
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,200
able to remove each person's individual

980
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,919
background noise

981
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,000
makes a tremendous difference

982
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:06,000
and of course back to the mono stereo

983
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,440
thing obviously it takes longer to do

984
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,599
those kind of uh

985
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,040
effects on stereo tracks because there's

986
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,320
more stuff to

987
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,119
churn through

988
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,359
and

989
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,960
the reason i mentioned that is because

990
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:18,240
i think the first few episodes are just

991
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,480
you know i didn't know what was doing

992
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:22,560
recorded everything default

993
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,040
at the time i was using audacity and it

994
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,839
wasn't stereo and so first i was like

995
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,280
wow that's a large file but fine i don't

996
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:30,879
know i don't have a frame of reference

997
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,040
so it is what it is and it wasn't until

998
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:35,280
i read online that people were like

999
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,599
recording mono because

1000
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,800
you're only using one microphone so

1001
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:42,480
there's only ever one track

1002
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,079
i was like

1003
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,079
why didn't i think of that as such it

1004
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,440
was so obvious

1005
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,879
like you have stereo because often

1006
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,280
you've got two i'm looking at my two

1007
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:53,119
desk speakers now i've got headphones on

1008
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,200
left and right here but when you have

1009
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:56,480
your microphone you only ever have one

1010
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,280
and i was like such

1011
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,280
so like slapping me in the face obvious

1012
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,280
i was like frustrated with myself and

1013
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,800
not clicking mono because it was like

1014
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,240
some alien

1015
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,920
combo box that i shouldn't touch because

1016
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,400
i don't know what i'm playing with but

1017
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,839
so obvious that it's just like one input

1018
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,320
means you have a mono track and that's

1019
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:15,920
that and uh yeah i do

1020
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,440
that yeah you know even when it comes

1021
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440
down to the brass tacks it's just like

1022
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,160
sending the file size it just makes it

1023
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,960
so much easier yes that this uh

1024
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,320
does make me reminisce about the uh

1025
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,359
the early days of of thinking critically

1026
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,720
[Laughter]

1027
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:33,040
well if it makes you feel better i

1028
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,880
absolutely edit it in stereo at the

1029
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,359
beginning too and then just like i just

1030
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,760
was like why why am i doing this yeah

1031
00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:42,320
and that it just changed it made the

1032
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,280
whole process so much easier

1033
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,200
uh once i change to mono

1034
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,599
do you have any other i'm gonna be

1035
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,440
selfish again now and say do you have

1036
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:54,400
any other like

1037
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,800
golden golden bullets silver bullets or

1038
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,400
you know uh you know special special

1039
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,240
tips and tricks for

1040
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,079
doing specifically audio because i

1041
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,680
imagine you're you know your education

1042
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,040
dealt with more than just say podcast

1043
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,920
dialogue you dealt with probably a whole

1044
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,340
bunch of stuff but specifically for what

1045
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,560
i do

1046
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:13,440
[Laughter]

1047
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,599
well i do actually um i i mentioned

1048
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,240
noise reduction so there are technically

1049
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:20,000
it's two steps the the second step is

1050
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:22,560
two things put into one

1051
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,880
uh i have a hotkey

1052
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,160
that i do i do the noise reduction and

1053
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,640
then i do limiter and normalize

1054
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,560
yeah and and that's you can just think

1055
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,480
of that as high and low

1056
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,720
uh what it does is it goes through and

1057
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,920
this is each individual voice track i do

1058
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,400
this on

1059
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,640
uh before i put them all together

1060
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,880
what the limiter and normalize does is

1061
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,800
it brings your lows up and it brings you

1062
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,560
really highs down and it kind of just

1063
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,280
puts it there in the middle

1064
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,800
and what that will do is really help

1065
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:57,200
each person sound around the same level

1066
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,599
uh i want to be clear that i have one

1067
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,760
more step that i do along that line that

1068
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:05,280
i do at the end and there's a reason why

1069
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,720
i have a label track when i edit

1070
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,520
it's because

1071
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:12,240
i

1072
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:14,079
do all of my voice editing first

1073
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,560
all of my voice editing when there's a

1074
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,920
part that's going to need a sound effect

1075
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,200
or music

1076
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:24,079
i in the label track say something like

1077
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,720
uh start fight music here or sound of

1078
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,760
someone getting their head ripped off

1079
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,079
and

1080
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,960
once i'm completely done editing the

1081
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,320
voice

1082
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,160
i then export all the voice

1083
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,920
as a wav file and you're going to say

1084
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,520
wait wav file is bigger than an mp3

1085
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,920
there's a reason for that it's because

1086
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:47,280
there is a program called levellator yes

1087
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,800
yes and levellator will go in and it

1088
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,839
will make everything the same

1089
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,920
now

1090
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:55,599
why if levelator makes everything the

1091
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,440
same why did i bother doing the limiter

1092
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,200
and normalize before

1093
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,359
it's because of what i said before about

1094
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:05,359
the background noise levelator will make

1095
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:07,599
everything the same the way like uh

1096
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:09,119
like imagine a monster going like i'm

1097
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,720
gonna make everyone the same height and

1098
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,680
just grabbing a person and stretching

1099
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:14,640
them

1100
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,800
you know it will distort

1101
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,400
audio if one is really really low and

1102
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,480
one is really really high

1103
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,760
so what you want is them all to be like

1104
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,920
80

1105
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,480
about the same and then level later will

1106
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,640
get you that last 20

1107
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,079
uh but if you if one is really really

1108
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,760
low and one is really really high you're

1109
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,400
going to get what they call an editing

1110
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,200
artifacts it's just like these weird

1111
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,599
almost electronic sounds of just like

1112
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,119
uh because it's trying so hard to make

1113
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:43,920
everything matte yeah

1114
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:46,079
but i love levelator it it just gives me

1115
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,640
that that it's why i go through the

1116
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:51,359
extra effort of having that label track

1117
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,400
that i then ex you know re-put in the

1118
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:56,880
the completely done audio

1119
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,119
and then i do my

1120
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,520
sound effects and music based on that

1121
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:03,520
final audio and that way i know exactly

1122
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,200
how loud it's going to be

1123
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,320
and this is really important when you

1124
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,400
when you were talking about the you know

1125
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,520
the the little tics tricks and all that

1126
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,640
good stuff

1127
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,280
is

1128
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,760
you cannot have your sound effects and

1129
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,000
music overwhelm the audio

1130
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,599
um and this is a meia culpa because i

1131
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,720
have absolutely done this in shaping

1132
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,160
armor

1133
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,599
absolutely done this from time you know

1134
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,119
i go back and listen i'm like oh my gosh

1135
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,480
why did i do that

1136
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:30,320
but your music needs to be much quieter

1137
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,520
than you think

1138
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,880
and your your best friends are amplify

1139
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,880
you'd think wait why amplify this make

1140
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,560
it louder amplify you can go in and

1141
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,119
scooch it down

1142
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,359
uh you can d amplify in fact i have a

1143
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:46,240
hotkey called d amplify and i think it's

1144
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:48,320
like minus 15 something like that and it

1145
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:50,480
just kind of like kicks the the legs out

1146
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,400
of under this big booming bombastic

1147
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,760
music and makes it more like background

1148
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,320
music

1149
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,320
um you also have the envelope tool which

1150
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,720
is where you can go and boop and make

1151
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,680
little dots and and individually bring

1152
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,920
down

1153
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,680
elements if you want to get really fancy

1154
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,440
like if you have your characters walking

1155
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,680
into an inn and they're walking out of a

1156
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,160
rainstorm you could theoretically use

1157
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,920
the envelope tool to then make the rain

1158
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,079
go

1159
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,760
down into a background so like when that

1160
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:19,440
when that when the metaphorical door

1161
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,520
shuts and they're like now you're in the

1162
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,560
end and the rain kind of goes back down

1163
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,160
to a background that's really cool um

1164
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,839
i'm not saying you have to do that i'm

1165
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,240
just saying that the envelope tool is a

1166
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:34,160
really good way to do it

1167
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:36,800
yeah i'm i'm glad that i don't have any

1168
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,720
sound effects in this in this show

1169
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,400
i'm tempted to add in like you know like

1170
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:42,000
public radio

1171
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,240
buying and

1172
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,560
stuff now just uh just to like test and

1173
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:49,680
and uh prove prove to people that i can

1174
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,720
but no i'm i'm glad i haven't had to uh

1175
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,480
to use those yet but um yeah i used to

1176
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,640
use levelator

1177
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,839
and then i as as more of a part of a

1178
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,079
learning

1179
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:00,800
practice for me i was like let me try

1180
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,359
and

1181
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,839
work out myself and then i went down the

1182
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:07,280
rabbit hole of loudness and and

1183
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:09,119
mastering and

1184
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,760
that you know the standards that apple

1185
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:15,839
demands for for podcasts you know hit

1186
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:18,079
minus 19 luff's eye and i'm like

1187
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:21,200
i'm way out of my depth

1188
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:24,560
what is all of this so uh i have

1189
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,200
attempted the last couple of episodes to

1190
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,720
kind of fudge my way through

1191
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,240
i guess manual

1192
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:32,000
normalization

1193
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:35,119
through the use of

1194
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,359
various effects that that reaper has um

1195
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:41,119
two i would say

1196
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:42,960
fairly good success at least the the uh

1197
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,400
the stats of the final file seem to

1198
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,760
suggest it's

1199
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,960
broadly

1200
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,520
good

1201
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,400
so i'll take that i

1202
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560
know

1203
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,880
that would do

1204
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,839
yeah yeah it all it all matters it all

1205
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,839
helps it all moves you forward

1206
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:03,040
uh when doing it uh i i did want to talk

1207
00:42:00,839 --> 00:42:05,119
about like we were saying before like

1208
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,119
having that editing sense

1209
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:10,000
is when you're starting you don't have

1210
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:12,160
that yep you know you don't know and so

1211
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,480
the the question is like well where do i

1212
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,760
add music or sound effects

1213
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,920
like

1214
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,640
where do i do this and the answer is

1215
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,000
when you're first starting just do

1216
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,400
the combat

1217
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,119
and do the funny parts

1218
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,440
start with there uh like now like if the

1219
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,880
characters are somewhere for ext you

1220
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,400
know like they're out in the planes or

1221
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,720
if they're at a dock

1222
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,880
uh i will actually play

1223
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:39,680
you know background sounds you know that

1224
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,839
are just the dock very very quietly

1225
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,079
uh you know and then when it goes into a

1226
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:46,160
fight scene i i transition it into a

1227
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:48,800
fight scene uh music

1228
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,480
but when you're first starting just have

1229
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,800
the uh

1230
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,800
uh whenever there's combat it's good to

1231
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,520
have fight music

1232
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:01,040
you can certainly find that music free

1233
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,160
in various ways or for a very low cost

1234
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,760
of

1235
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,160
free to use

1236
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,920
youtube does have youtube creator studio

1237
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,280
which has a lot of good music you can

1238
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,359
play with

1239
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,680
and also most of the sound effects

1240
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:15,599
honestly i get off youtube

1241
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:20,319
i just capture them directly

1242
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:22,720
uh i one little tip is look for horror

1243
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:24,560
because if you want the sound of someone

1244
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,880
getting a lot of really violent things

1245
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,319
happen in dungeons and dragons uh and if

1246
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,839
you if you need the sound of someone

1247
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:31,760
getting their head ripped off guess what

1248
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:33,280
there's a horror sound for that

1249
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,240
and you know

1250
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,240
you're gonna hear the sound of the

1251
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:40,160
you know that that thing that ripping

1252
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:42,560
the tearing the tendons it's very

1253
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,319
visceral and a lot of that is in horror

1254
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,319
sound effects and so if you when you put

1255
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:49,359
in sound effect horror

1256
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:50,720
you know ripping or chewing or stabbing

1257
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:52,000
that will get you a lot of those really

1258
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:54,000
fun ones

1259
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,920
that's a good tip and another to add to

1260
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,400
add on to that is something i found so

1261
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,000
recently i can't remember why

1262
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,440
i was looking oh it was for the end of

1263
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,319
season one i wanted like a little

1264
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,359
celebratory noise um the bbc over here

1265
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:09,200
in the uk

1266
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:10,480
uh they've got an archive of open open

1267
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,440
source isn't the right word free you

1268
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,520
know

1269
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,760
free to access sound effects from you

1270
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,400
know their decades of broadcast

1271
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,920
recording and you can search for like

1272
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,319
bell or

1273
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,359
fireworks or you know waves and they'll

1274
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:25,440
have

1275
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:27,920
you know the raw sound files that are

1276
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,599
free you know what's the word

1277
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,040
like creative commons or whatever it is

1278
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,040
for

1279
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,880
being able to use them um

1280
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,640
so yes that link will be in the in the

1281
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,240
episode description of that bbc archive

1282
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,160
because uh it's quite it's quite a few

1283
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,440
interesting uh interesting sounds on

1284
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,880
there

1285
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,530
i will check it out that sounds that

1286
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,869
sounds great

1287
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:47,869
[Music]

1288
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:57,760
[Music]

1289
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:59,440
so we've talked a lot so far about the

1290
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,599
as as you've said a hundred times that

1291
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,400
you know the meta the the post

1292
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:05,599
production of a podcast and we've

1293
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,160
touched a couple of times about the

1294
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,440
differences of say a show like this one

1295
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,720
where it's just

1296
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,520
two people chatting away versus

1297
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:17,280
an

1298
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:19,920
actual player real play of a ttrpg

1299
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,560
i mean a minute you know tracks aside

1300
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,480
number of tracks aside sound effects

1301
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,280
music um

1302
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,440
do you think there are any other kind of

1303
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,240
special considerations that have to be

1304
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,440
made when either doing a show like this

1305
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,960
or doing

1306
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,839
an actual play

1307
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,839
and

1308
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:41,680
if so

1309
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:44,640
to your ear to your trained ear can you

1310
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,000
can you spot an edit or like when you

1311
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,240
when you feel like something doesn't

1312
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,520
make sense or or the sound changes

1313
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,119
subtly can you

1314
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,319
can you do you think you can spot that

1315
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,760
like do you ever listen to actual

1316
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:56,800
players and go oh

1317
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:59,680
if they've cut there

1318
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,800
so the short answer is yes uh if you if

1319
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,200
you edit

1320
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,800
it's like if you've been a waiter like

1321
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,640
you know exactly when the waiter does

1322
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,079
something right or wrong you know you

1323
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,200
just you just know and if you're an

1324
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,040
editor

1325
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,880
you see everything uh the the joke that

1326
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,640
i always used to add i think they

1327
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,480
finally vanished now

1328
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,839
but uh i'm old enough that i was

1329
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,599
actually a projectionist at a movie

1330
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:20,880
theater in the 90s

1331
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:23,200
and

1332
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,839
when in the old days the the old

1333
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,480
projectors you had multi projectors and

1334
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:30,400
so because they just had one reel and so

1335
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,200
when the reel was going to change to the

1336
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,880
next one there was a little tiny blip in

1337
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,680
the top left-hand side literally a

1338
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,839
little distortion you've never seen it

1339
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,839
but if you worked as a projectionist i

1340
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:44,400
guarantee you you saw that

1341
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:45,760
because that meant that you started the

1342
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,480
other one

1343
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,319
and then at the one when the scene would

1344
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,400
fade out you would

1345
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:54,400
close one screen and open the other one

1346
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,119
to let the next reel go

1347
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,599
and that's my little mind

1348
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:01,359
example of editing is is once you've

1349
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:03,200
done editing you will then see all those

1350
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:05,359
little blips you will hear

1351
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,680
where they cut just a little too close

1352
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:09,680
on someone's voice you will definitely

1353
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,440
hear if they use truncate silence

1354
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,000
because you'll hear those

1355
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:17,119
uh cut out at the beginning at the end

1356
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,599
uh you will hear uh sloppy

1357
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,000
music editing uh if you

1358
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:24,880
i will tell you i i am very cavalier

1359
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,640
with my music because i keep it very

1360
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,640
very low and so that the side effect of

1361
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,359
that is people can't really hear it

1362
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,680
uh but if you do need to edit music

1363
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:35,119
correctly just look for the beats just

1364
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,920
you know just hit that you know boom

1365
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:39,119
boom boom boom you know most most modern

1366
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,160
music is for

1367
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,000
hits

1368
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,119
and all you need to do is just here look

1369
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,200
for boom boom boom boom edit there stick

1370
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:49,839
the other one on at the beginning of the

1371
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,280
of the number one and 99 of the people

1372
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:53,359
won't hear it

1373
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,440
but here's the thing even if you don't

1374
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:58,240
do that most people won't hear it

1375
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,480
uh but if you're an editor you will you

1376
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:02,559
will hear it uh and you'll definitely

1377
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,720
hear when they had to do something

1378
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:06,480
what i call like um

1379
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:08,480
catastrophic like there there was

1380
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,160
clearly a big problem and they yeah you

1381
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,079
know they just had to to they just had

1382
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,079
to scorch the earth

1383
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,119
and you'll hear people talking and

1384
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,720
then uh

1385
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,960
you know it just suddenly

1386
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,440
switches uh absolutely that's very very

1387
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,440
visible to to a editor

1388
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,760
mm-hmm yeah it's something that i always

1389
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,920
have in the back of my mind and those

1390
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,079
scorched earth examples are good for

1391
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:33,280
when i you can both in audacity and

1392
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,800
reaper you can you can edit the

1393
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,280
like the spectrum rather than the

1394
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,960
waveform so if there's like a particular

1395
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,319
frequency you want to cut rather than

1396
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,319
just

1397
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:44,400
you know five seconds of nonsense you

1398
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:46,800
want to cut a frequency within that for

1399
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,960
like a fire alarm or

1400
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,400
some other beep microwave beep whatever

1401
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,319
it might be you can you can cut the

1402
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,720
frequency of that beep but

1403
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:56,400
being very heavy-handed there

1404
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,720
i've when i've

1405
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,119
i've been like i really can't locate it

1406
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,119
let me just like obliterate

1407
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:05,280
most of the frequency here

1408
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,280
it sounds so like half a second that

1409
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,640
person's talking underwater through a

1410
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,920
blanket and i'm like yeah i can't get

1411
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,079
away with that

1412
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,920
that's yeah that's a little bit a lot of

1413
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,599
times when you when you remove something

1414
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,920
it's just because i i can't save that

1415
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,760
yep i can't save it it's got to go boop

1416
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:23,119
it's gone yeah that sentence is gone

1417
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:25,599
just forget about it never happened

1418
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:26,559
and the the one that i i meant to

1419
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,400
mention at the beginning and i

1420
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:31,920
definitely want to

1421
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,559
underline bold italics is sync locking

1422
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,040
if you are editing a podcast and it is

1423
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:39,440
multi-track you must

1424
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,280
and constantly and frequently and always

1425
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,040
use sync lock

1426
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,839
because what that will so what sync lock

1427
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,920
does is if i remove three seconds from

1428
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:50,240
one track it removes three seconds from

1429
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,440
ultra oh yeah yeah and it removes them

1430
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:54,800
the same

1431
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,520
because if my sync lock isn't on and i

1432
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,599
remove uh penton chalice the spell scale

1433
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,599
sorcerers part where where there was

1434
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:02,960
some weird audio suddenly he's out of

1435
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,400
sync now

1436
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,800
and he's out of sync for the rest of the

1437
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,960
thing and all i can do is manually go in

1438
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,240
and try to resync him and it's usually

1439
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,280
not great

1440
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,960
however when you are done later you are

1441
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,200
going to want

1442
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,280
to unsync because you that's how you add

1443
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,240
the sound effect to the music yes yeah

1444
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,640
uh so i actually my my sync lock is on a

1445
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:27,839
hotkey on its b for me because that's

1446
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:30,160
how often i use it and i i will unsync

1447
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:31,839
throw the sound effect in of of uh

1448
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,880
someone exploding or getting struck by

1449
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:35,680
lightning

1450
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,680
and then re-sync it and you just look

1451
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,280
for that little symbol on the left-hand

1452
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,880
side in audacity of when there's a

1453
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,839
little clock that shows you that it's

1454
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,160
synced

1455
00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:46,160
uh and when you try to edit the the edit

1456
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,559
visually looks different

1457
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,119
uh and that that sync lock will save you

1458
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:52,400
so much time and pain and action yeah i

1459
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,760
i was

1460
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,839
you're giving me some flashbacks here

1461
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,520
because i i vividly remember

1462
00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:01,440
editing on one track for a minute or

1463
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,960
something and then you know cutting bits

1464
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,160
out moving things around and then got to

1465
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,960
the end i was like

1466
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,200
oh oh yeah that's a worthless because

1467
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,640
it's you know they weren't

1468
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,040
you know cascaded the effects weren't

1469
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,960
cascaded down with via sync clock so i

1470
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,440
was just like oh yeah that's oh that's

1471
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,440
been wasted because there's no way i can

1472
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,400
work out

1473
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:24,160
7.26 seconds here and that i've cut and

1474
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,839
four point three eight seven seconds

1475
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,839
there that i've cut but then i added in

1476
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:29,200
some silence like there's no way you can

1477
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:31,119
reconcile

1478
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,720
those changes so uh

1479
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,400
yes yeah uh

1480
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,200
i've kind of bundled that in so i can i

1481
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:40,079
can kind of um stack actions with

1482
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,160
hotkeys uh in in in reaper so i've got

1483
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,359
one that is like i just want to cut just

1484
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,880
this track

1485
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:47,359
turn off sync and then when i want to

1486
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,760
cut both tracks it will turn on sync and

1487
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:50,880
then do the cut for me so um

1488
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,119
that's

1489
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,720
how hopefully fingers crossed he says i

1490
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:59,200
won't fall foul of that again

1491
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:00,800
uh very smart and i i

1492
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,400
exactly what you said there that's a

1493
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,640
really advanced thing and i i really

1494
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,079
like that i've i've never done that

1495
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,599
what i want to let people know just as

1496
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,920
we're kind of like reaching the wrapping

1497
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,800
up point is there is no right way to do

1498
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,680
this

1499
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,119
is i've given out some things that i do

1500
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,440
and that i highly recommend and that i

1501
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,520
think are very helpful but you will find

1502
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,160
your own way to edit

1503
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,800
and nobody can tell you what is the

1504
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,920
right way it's just the way that gets

1505
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,680
you what you need the most effectively

1506
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,680
and that's that's what you're trying to

1507
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,319
do you should absolutely listen to the

1508
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:38,319
advice of people who are already editing

1509
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:40,400
uh as i do i i the uh that normalize and

1510
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:42,319
leveling that i do at the beginning that

1511
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,160
was from another dungeons and dragons

1512
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,680
editor who mentioned it to me and i was

1513
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,000
like oh yeah no that's perfect i love

1514
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,960
that and i i incorporated that into my

1515
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,880
flow

1516
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,800
and that's exactly what i want people to

1517
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,599
take from this conversation is take what

1518
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,599
is useful to you throw away the rest

1519
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,520
um yeah i think as i think you put it

1520
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:01,119
really well earlier on when you said

1521
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,599
you want to produce something that you

1522
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:06,480
would listen to i think that's a really

1523
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:09,200
great place to start

1524
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:12,240
and then as you said incorporate

1525
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,079
the tips and tricks and feedback from

1526
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,760
other people but i think obviously at

1527
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,119
the end of the day

1528
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,000
certainly for

1529
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:21,599
ventures such as ours i think you know

1530
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,960
making it to your own standard is is

1531
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,040
obviously

1532
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,599
the best you can do you know that's such

1533
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,040
a such a noble goal to start with and

1534
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,559
then you can start worrying about these

1535
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,640
little tricky little bits here and there

1536
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,440
that the audio files may or may not pick

1537
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,040
up on

1538
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,400
i think it's such a such a great place

1539
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,640
to start

1540
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,200
i i did have one

1541
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,920
i did have one weird this is a very

1542
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,319
weird question now i say at the 55

1543
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,319
minute mark um which is probably an

1544
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:50,079
editing faux pas because this might be

1545
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:52,400
at like the 53 minute mark after all the

1546
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,359
setting but whatever

1547
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,280
again

1548
00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:57,359
we're way past the looking glass now in

1549
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,880
terms of my creative process so in for a

1550
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:00,640
penny

1551
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,680
do you think and again this is me i'm

1552
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,680
i'm

1553
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,280
outside of this question but for actual

1554
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,839
plays

1555
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,800
do you think there's a

1556
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:15,599
propensity there to kind of

1557
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:17,760
alter history in a way the editor has

1558
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:20,400
ultimate power over the flow of the

1559
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,319
story just like how you know you can in

1560
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,160
court lawyers can edit and doctor

1561
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,839
documents so it seems someone's being

1562
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,119
you know overtly aggressive when in

1563
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:28,480
reality that that was taken out of

1564
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,240
context and doesn't mean something

1565
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,640
completely different

1566
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:35,280
you know editors can do that to

1567
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,480
actual play podcasts and you know doubly

1568
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,000
sofa

1569
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,640
remote ones where everyone's kind of

1570
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,119
like isolated do you think

1571
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,240
there is a does you know a desire to do

1572
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,079
that or do you think that adds or

1573
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:47,839
benefits so you know

1574
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:50,160
the overall value

1575
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:51,760
that power can bring do you think that

1576
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,760
has like negatively impacted some

1577
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,119
podcasts or

1578
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,760
because you kind of again it's kind of

1579
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,680
like taking the soul out in a way maybe

1580
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,280
i'm being way too melodramatic but

1581
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,359
hopefully you can kind of meet me

1582
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:06,400
halfway and pick up what i'm what i'm

1583
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:08,480
poorly trying to put out here

1584
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,119
absolutely well i again i said at the

1585
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,440
beginning i am obsessed with editing

1586
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,240
editing will make or break

1587
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,000
any

1588
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,960
audio visual medium

1589
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,480
and

1590
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,400
when you think about like that's one of

1591
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,160
the condemnations made on shows of like

1592
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,240
you know did this so and so murder

1593
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,480
someone it's like well you can edit that

1594
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:28,319
to look like whatever you want yes you

1595
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,240
can edit those you know you can have one

1596
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:31,920
guy talk and then and then edit in

1597
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,960
another guy talking and it sounds like

1598
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,720
they're agreeing with each other but

1599
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,520
they're really not you know that's

1600
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:39,359
that's the power of editing

1601
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,880
and what you have to do at the end of

1602
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:42,720
the day with the show that you're making

1603
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,240
like you said you want it to be the kind

1604
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,599
of show you want to watch the kind of

1605
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,880
thing you'd want to

1606
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:50,160
ingest

1607
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,480
is will it serve the story

1608
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,480
you know first and again going back it's

1609
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,799
got to be clear it's got to tell the

1610
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,400
story it's got to be exciting and

1611
00:55:56,799 --> 00:56:00,799
interesting that's why you're removing

1612
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,040
those long gaps of silence and leaving

1613
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:05,599
the ones that are dramatic uh that's

1614
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,839
that's part of that editing process the

1615
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:10,000
other thing this is i i didn't talk

1616
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:11,440
about this as much is i want my players

1617
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,920
to look cool

1618
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,799
like when my players do something really

1619
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:19,520
exciting uh when when osoka the shifter

1620
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:21,920
ranger who's now sadly deceased uh you

1621
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,880
know leaps on top of a hut leaps into

1622
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,160
the air

1623
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,920
grabs a sea hag out of the air and slams

1624
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,640
her into the ground i want that to be as

1625
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,119
dramatic as possible i want him to have

1626
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,880
i want you when you're imagining it to

1627
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:37,359
see it like a movie

1628
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,280
you know and and if if i have a body

1629
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:40,559
impact sound

1630
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,960
when it hits

1631
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:45,520
after i i we say that happens and he

1632
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,280
makes his role you know i want them to

1633
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,599
look cool

1634
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:52,240
it's not about me it's about the story

1635
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:53,760
and it's and it's their story

1636
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,920
you know i'm the dungeon master who's

1637
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,599
leading it but they're the ones who are

1638
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,359
going through it and telling it and

1639
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:02,319
that's what good editing will do

1640
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:03,760
okay

1641
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:05,520
thank you yeah i'm just trying to

1642
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,880
process like

1643
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,079
the profound nature of uh

1644
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,720
what we've been talking about for the

1645
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:15,200
past hour and what you know slightly

1646
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,680
starting to take my

1647
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,119
my savage cuts to some previous episodes

1648
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,599
a little bit more uh

1649
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:24,079
under under a microscope now but uh

1650
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:25,760
no uh is there anything um

1651
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:27,119
else on the topic of editing that you

1652
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,160
wanted to discuss that we might have

1653
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,319
missed

1654
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,280
only on the most tangential way but i

1655
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:32,480
want to mention this because i think

1656
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,079
it's important

1657
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,040
is when you're when you're done with all

1658
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:37,760
your editing and you've got your

1659
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,440
beautiful done audio file

1660
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,520
i want to recommend that you put that

1661
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,760
audio file on youtube

1662
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:46,240
and that sounds weird because youtube is

1663
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,400
a visual medium but here's the thing

1664
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,799
youtube is one of the most searched

1665
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,960
engines in the world

1666
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:54,880
and it is surprisingly easy to do this

1667
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,119
all you do is take any video editing

1668
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,119
software i use adobe premiere elements

1669
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,799
it costs i think eighty dollars

1670
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,880
there are free ones as well

1671
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:05,280
and put your logo

1672
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,920
on the screen you know as a static image

1673
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,799
and slap that audio file underneath it

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00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,760
export it as a video and throw it up on

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00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:14,079
youtube

1676
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,480
you know make a youtube channel

1677
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:20,079
this is important because

1678
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,599
when people are searching for something

1679
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:23,359
think about the last time you googled

1680
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,599
something it showed you like the top

1681
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:27,119
searches it showed you the stupid ads

1682
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,400
and then it showed you videos that you

1683
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,720
could go to

1684
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,799
and uh by the way the reason i chose the

1685
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,520
name chafing armor my players suggested

1686
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:37,200
way better names like 100 better names

1687
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,680
the reason i chose chafing armor is

1688
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,319
because there wasn't anything else

1689
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,960
called chafing armor the the closest i

1690
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:46,720
could find was a uh those little books

1691
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,720
you could pick up in skyrim

1692
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,280
there was one of the books uh talked

1693
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,799
about treating uh chafing caused from

1694
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,280
armor you know it was like a little joke

1695
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:56,880
yeah yeah that was how obscure that

1696
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,559
particular phrase was and now i

1697
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,240
guarantee it anyone right now and of

1698
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:02,079
course i want you to do it put in

1699
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,599
chaffing armor mine's the first thing

1700
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:06,640
that comes up

1701
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:08,400
uh so if you when you pick the the name

1702
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,400
for your show that you should consider

1703
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,040
that but i just wanna i really wanna

1704
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,160
encourage you in addition to of course

1705
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,839
you could put you should put it out to

1706
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,799
all the different podcast sites you know

1707
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:21,200
the apple and uh spotify and all of that

1708
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:24,000
you should put it on youtube as well and

1709
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,160
in fact uh duke who's one of my longest

1710
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,760
listeners on my show i met him on

1711
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,400
youtube because he started interacting

1712
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,799
with me on youtube oh amazing and

1713
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,880
so i just i want to really encourage

1714
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:36,400
that because it's it's a it's a very

1715
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,440
easy thing to do

1716
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,559
and here's a little extra tip uh youtube

1717
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,559
is free

1718
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:45,200
and it's there forever and guess what if

1719
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:47,359
you like missed a payment on your libsyn

1720
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,520
and they destroyed all of your audio and

1721
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:52,000
you didn't have it you know stored guess

1722
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,920
what you got it there on youtube

1723
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,480
and another another pro of youtube it

1724
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,000
has a transcription service for videos

1725
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,520
that's true i hadn't even thought about

1726
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,119
that see i'm learning i've been i've

1727
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,359
been i've been researching it and

1728
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:05,760
looking at alternatives and one a lot

1729
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:07,440
one a lot of people say is it's free so

1730
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,200
you kind of upload the video let it do

1731
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,920
its trend it might not be

1732
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,960
the best accuracy but it's

1733
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,240
if you're uploading the video you're

1734
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,319
uploading the video anyway right so you

1735
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,640
mentioned

1736
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:20,960
uh okay cool well

1737
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:23,359
uh thank you very much for sharing your

1738
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,799
expertise and knowledge on this the most

1739
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:27,359
meta i thought you know i thought i

1740
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:28,480
picked the meta subjects on the topic of

1741
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:30,400
podcasts

1742
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,359
but no we we're there's

1743
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,359
pushing the boundaries

1744
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,520
uh so thank you thank you ever so much

1745
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,680
uh for joining us today is there

1746
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,480
anything you would like to promote

1747
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:45,119
uh just that you can find chaffing armor

1748
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,520
on shavingarmor.com and if you go to all

1749
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:50,480
the major social medias twitter facebook

1750
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:53,599
instagram you can find uh chafing armor

1751
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,319
on there as at chaffing armor

1752
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:58,079
i'm happy to interact with you say hi uh

1753
01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:59,839
if you have a and i want to really put

1754
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:02,000
this out there this that's this episode

1755
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:04,319
is about editing if you have a question

1756
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,640
about editing your podcast by all means

1757
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:09,280
direct message me and i'll be happy to

1758
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:12,160
help again my name is michael corley oh

1759
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:14,160
you you fool michael because

1760
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,559
what have i done

1761
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,599
because once we stop recording

1762
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:22,079
you strap in for another hour because uh

1763
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:24,319
i'm gonna talk your ear off uh but no

1764
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:26,559
yeah absolutely uh do do check out chef

1765
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:28,000
yama and i mean all that's left to say

1766
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:30,640
from me is thank you ever so much

1767
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,720
michael for joining us it's been here uh

1768
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:35,119
fun and educational the best kind of

1769
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:38,480
educational chat so thank you very much

1770
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:40,480
thank you uh thank you all everybody as

1771
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,680
usual for listening at home please do

1772
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,799
check out all the links in the episode

1773
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,799
description to everything we've talked

1774
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:47,839
about today uh love later it's probably

1775
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:50,079
a good one to check out uh having

1776
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:53,040
positive endorsements from both of us

1777
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:55,200
uh otherwise thank you all for listening

1778
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:57,359
and good night

1779
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,599
but not quite yet as i have my first

1780
01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:02,559
patreon shout out to do huge thank you

1781
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:04,799
to matt street at mpstreet88 on twitter

1782
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:06,240
for supporting the show if anyone else

1783
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:08,000
would like to support what we do and

1784
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,839
hear themselves picked up at the end of

1785
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,400
every episode head on over to

1786
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:13,839
patreon.com thinking critically or if

1787
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,240
that's not your scene you can also buy

1788
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:18,640
me a coffee over at kofi.com

1789
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,640
thinking critically love you all safe

1790
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,300
home and for real this time

1791
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:31,620
good night

1792
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:35,670
[Applause]

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01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:35,670
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01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:45,889
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