Roles

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hello and welcome to another episode of

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thinking critically a d and d discussion

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my name is danilo a d d lad and i like

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all kinds of games and the crunchy

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mechanics that make him tick

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today we are talking about roles and i'm

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joined by another international guest

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howie aka the blue collar dm can you

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tell us a bit about yourself

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yeah sure absolutely so

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i

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am a youtube creator and twitch streamer

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i've been

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dabbling in the space for the better

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part of 2020 ironically and i actually

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stream a game online but then not only

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that we actually what we're really kind

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of known for is our dungeon master kind

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of like talks and so or just at least

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subject matter so we do like monster

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breakdowns

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we actually recently started a new

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campaign where we actually break down

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homebrew submissions from our viewership

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and actually evaluate them live on

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stream and actually ask questions answer

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questions and kind of have a really

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great dialogue back and forth

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and then we actually also do a lot of

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kind of deep dives and some of the uh

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the virtual table tops that are out

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there and compare them as best we can

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apples to oranges to creep fruits and

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kumquats as best we can so been done

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remestering for the better part of a

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year and also i've been playing the

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fifth edition game for

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about four years now so it's it's been

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quite a quite a journey but uh it's been

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really fun and uh

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i'm excited to see what the close of

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2020 has for everyone and see what 2021

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has indeed i think we all are and i

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actually watched that video of yours

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about comparing the virtual tabletops so

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yeah i actually found that quite useful

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myself and i'm thinking about migrating

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away from roll 20 to um foundry in the

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end excellent it's actually the one we

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use in our live stream game uh you know

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it comes with its own challenges of

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course with it being kind of a

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primarily beta released software

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platform where it's constantly being

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updated and stuff like that but i love

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the presentation style i love the

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reasonable price point that it has i

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love that there's a lot of community

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driven content that's or community

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driven like

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they call modules but basically just

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interfaces that have been added to the

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platform which really has that's what i

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like about it i love the customizability

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of it as opposed to being like stuck in

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only one way to do things yeah i've got

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to get over that initial hurdle of

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migration but then once that i'm looking

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forward to getting my teeth into it

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absolutely so today's topic is rolls

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r-o-l-e-s

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let's dive in what does roles mean to

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you

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it kind of means a few things actually

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you have what i like to think of as your

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traditional player roles your

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traditional

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character roles so i definitely

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delineate between the two between like

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like your player plays a role at your

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table in addition to the character that

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they're playing plays a role in their

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party in addition to just i also kind of

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think about general role play in that

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sense as well just like and i kind of

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dump it into that bucket because the

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role play aspect also has an impact on

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who you are and what your role is at the

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table as a player and also as your

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player character so

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when i hear the word roles i it you know

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i can think of a million different

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things i'd love to dive into and and and

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so it gets a little overwhelming but

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when i hear the word i basically think

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of those three things sure funny enough

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there one of the things that i started

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with too is

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the role of the party members the player

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characters so

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my opening question to you is

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a lot of typical role-playing games so

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predominantly video games having a

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rounded party is a constant right you

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have your tank think of world of

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warcraft for example you can't even

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queue for a dungeon without a tank and

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the gila slots filled and then three dps

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in for fun

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yeah how do you how do you think that

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applies to d and d do you think it needs

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that same level of rigor do you think it

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benefits or it subtracts from the

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experience

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um in all honesty i don't find that it

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does now i don't think

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so it's it's funny i have this um

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perspective on d d where d d is the game

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that you make for everyone's enjoyment

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so if everybody wants to be

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healey clerics would that barely put out

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any sort of damage whatsoever they have

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the ability to do that if they want to

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and there's definitely

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story lines and compelling plots and

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things that can come out of that kind of

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a scenario so when i think of like

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necessarily the general party balance

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and those kinds of roles that people

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kind of think of like you're saying with

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the world of warcrafts and the other

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kind of um pillars of eternity and all

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those sort of games where you kind of

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have to have somebody that can go out in

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the front occupy everybody and get their

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attention while the healer keeps them up

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while everyone else is kind of just

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trying to blast them from the side

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that's a way you can play and that's

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totally fine but i don't think that

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especially the 5th edition game is

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beholden to that standard that we see

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out of traditional video game media and

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stuff like that i think

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it's

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flexible enough and the framework is

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there that it allows you to flex in and

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out if you want to do that kind of thing

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but also allows is provided your dungeon

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master is able to adapt to that kind of

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style it depends on your table depends

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on your game depends on your players i

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think that it really

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helps

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bridge that gap in the fact that you

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don't necessarily need to play the game

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one way you can play it in multiple

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different ways and phil

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everyone can feel the same role like

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everybody can play the same character

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class but also play it in very different

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ways like you have your bard trees you

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have all those kind of like your clerics

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like no cleric is the same like everyone

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jokes about

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at least some of the critical role

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characters like jester never heals well

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yeah that's she's playing a different

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kind of cleric which but she's also

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role-playing it even and like leaning

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into it even more just for the the laws

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but i find that like we said like

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the traditional party balance doesn't

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necessarily need to be that important in

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the game yeah i absolutely agree there's

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a player in one of my games who twice

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now he says i'll be the last to pick a

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racing class combo because i want to

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plug any gaps and i've said to him like

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don't don't worry about that man just

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play where you want to play because i

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see it as you touched on it there about

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the dm can adapt i do think one of the

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roles the dm has is to

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adapt to that setup and

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a follow-on idea is some of the most

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funniest party compositions i've heard

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of are like the teenage mutant ninja

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turtles you've got four monk totals

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which of course is

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it's quite restricted there but then of

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course in in the subclasses you've got a

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bit of leeway as you said but that

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sounds great and i'd love to dm that

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even though it would be trickier in a

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way because you don't have a cleric and

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you don't have a paladin and yeah yeah

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but i absolutely say that that's the

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dm's role is to enable and facilitate

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that kind of composition well and

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creativity too like if the players all

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want to play and lean into one whether

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it be character class or like archetype

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you can still have very engaging

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storylines and plot hooks even just

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branching out of those particular places

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i was like you you say teenage mutant

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ninja turtles i'm already thinking about

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like rival monasteries and you know the

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hills of or the mountains somewhere in

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some world and they're almost like a

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cobra kaya scenario or something i'm

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already kind of like spinning here and

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i'm already coming up with ideas so it's

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but of course we think of d d kill

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things smash monsters all that kind of

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stuff but like there's plenty of ways

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with the dungeon master fulfilling their

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role they're able to kind of

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they need to facilitate that i mean

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at the same rate it's the players want

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to be this creative and be this and like

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have this kind of game then it's kind of

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on you to kind of help facilitate that

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and that's then like you said that's

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kind of the role that the dm plays in

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those scenarios for sure and of course

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you rattled them off further on like the

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usual caveats of the kind of players and

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the kind of dm and the kind of game you

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want to play of course that's all goes

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without saying you know every game is

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different so on and so on but yeah i

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agree that for a game to be you know any

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shape and form successful or to maintain

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the players for any length of time i

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would say yes one other dm's rule is to

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kind of encourage and facilitate that do

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i think that now

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maybe there should be you know maybe it

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just leads to a more versatile game a

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more kind of long lasting game if the

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classes are varied honestly

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i don't think i know the answer to that

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question i think it would be hilarious

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to play a party of like five bards in a

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band that sounds

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dope

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but yeah

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the classic like gotta make our way to

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the conference concert venue before it

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closes and we've we're on a bender last

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night we have no idea what we are or who

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we are or what what particular

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instrument we're supposed to be playing

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where are the drumsticks don't know

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gotta find them on the way to the

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concert yeah exactly exactly sounds

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hilarious but for maybe for long-term

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campaign viability

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my thought would be maybe having a

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variety in classes might just enable

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more avenues for exploration and more

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avenues for interesting backstory

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developments i don't know i'm just

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thinking out loud what do you think i

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think it absolutely can uh it's just

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that i do believe that there is

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like think about when uh the power

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rangers were very popular like in

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essence they're all kind of like the

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same character class or think of any

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kind of like

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group of individuals that kind of have

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similar skill sets like there's still

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some variability within their you know

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like say they're all monks like there's

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still some variability in all their

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skill sets that they have but in

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addition to that like there is a big bad

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evil guy whether it's um the uh i can't

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even remember that

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zord or whatever the heck

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um and then madam i think it was like

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madame repulsa or something like that

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she sees the batter yet yeah and so

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there's like still like existential

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threat it comes in a very episodic

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format which is very similar to what

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dungeons and dragons is and even then

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like they've still kind of had that

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ability to continue to be creative and

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come up with those varying storylines

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now they pretty much all have the same

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rhythm fight putties

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kill uh kill the bad thing when it's

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small it gets big make megazord yeah

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kill it again but at the same time they

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have gone deep enough to vary it enough

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that it feels fresh

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especially i mean all when we're kids

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but i mean even still now if you

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probably look back on it like it's

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you can see the patterns that exist but

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that's kind of the pattern in dungeons

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and dragons too like

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i mean instead of like fighting putties

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and stuff like that it's usually like

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find plot hook travel to plot hook plot

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hook is not actually what we thought it

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was go to the next pla hook and there's

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the bad thing so it still kind of has

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that rhythm that depending on how you

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run your games but um i do understand

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what you're saying though that if you

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have

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more varying player classes in your

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group it does make it probably makes it

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a little bit easier i would say yeah as

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a dungeon master to come up with that

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kind of stuff but i think even still

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like

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i think it's a kind of a cool challenge

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to kind of be able to have long-term

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campaign viability with a party full of

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human fighters that would be the fun

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that would be fun

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actually i want to run a game where

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maybe an eberron or something ever on

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adjacent where it's a party full of

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different types of artificer and they're

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like going around and trying to discover

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some new technology before some

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existential threat finds it and tries to

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take over the world which you know

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spoiler alert the existential threat

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will usually get it first but then they

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have to fight against that existential

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threat again in order to be able to take

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it back or something along those lines i

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think

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those kinds of things do excite me but

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just as much as the balanced

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quote-unquote player character parties

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do as well and you've got lots of room

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for role-play there you're almost having

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to not force the players but to carve

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out their own niche so if you're all

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there if they're all the same class then

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maybe the players want to well i'm i

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want to be

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this kind of artificer and i want to be

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this kind of artist so whereas if you're

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in a mixed party and there's just one

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rogue i think it can be quite easy to

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fall back into the stereotypical i'm the

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edgy rogue or i'm the person that's

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going to go in front and make sure that

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the doors aren't going to blow up in our

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faces or whatever the case may be yeah

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exactly i see what you're saying yeah

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and it's funny that you say that too

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because like i even like to say that no

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one even same subclass necessarily can

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all isn't always necessarily played the

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exact same way and not to turn this into

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a giant artificer discussion because i

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love artificer way too much you can have

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two artillerists that do very similar

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things with as far as like they have

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those eldritch cannons and all that kind

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of stuff but they also have that ability

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to take different

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uh magic items from their infused item

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tree which is can make them very unique

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and very different and they can play

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very differently and even if you have

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like a party full of monks you might

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have some monks that like maybe they

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come from the same monastery maybe they

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don't and maybe the beliefs of one

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conflict with another and there's a nice

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big gap there that you can kind of fill

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with just different creativity and role

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play that can be really fun and very

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rewarding yeah for sure so we mentioned

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a couple of stereotypes during that

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whole discussion and i wanted to talk

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about

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very related topic of certain classes

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being expected to play certain roles so

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for example clerics are often for

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rightly or wrongly seen as the healer

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and likewise with barbarians are often

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seen as the tank do you think

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that well the answer is i probably know

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what your answer is going to be here

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you can play it however you want which

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is absolutely the right way to go about

402
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it but often i think about you know

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people approaching the game for the

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first time or

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even they've come from maybe other

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tabletop rpgs and

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i think that often that's they're the

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preconceptions right for rightly or

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wrongly you know how does that affect

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player experience do you think that

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makes certain classes easier or harder

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to play you know what are your thoughts

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on

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predetermined archetypes for the

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character classes

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hmm

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i don't think it necessarily takes away

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from them there there is some

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like you said there is some familiarity

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with those very stereotypical kind of

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archetypes and

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they exist for a reason they exist

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because

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that's what we readily gravitate towards

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now for say a new player who's starting

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out and like kind of wants an idea of

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what they could or couldn't do or what's

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available to them like obviously

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anything's available to them in the 5th

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edition version of the game or even some

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of the older ones as well but

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it's a nice starting point for someone

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who's not really sure what they're like

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if they're diving in for the first time

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and it gives them the ability to kind of

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pick

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a

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archetype that they either identify with

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or one that they think that they can

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emulate or maybe they don't identify

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with and that's why they want to pick it

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just so they can try something that they

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haven't done ever before and

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i think that it can be useful especially

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in that scenario and it is sometimes

446
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even fun for veteran players to do that

447
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as well like i joke with my friends all

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the time like the next game i play and i

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might just play a barbarian so i don't

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have to think so hard but um

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but even still i could also just really

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think really hard as a barbarian

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regardless just because there's plenty

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of ways that you can play your

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barbarians in a you know a myriad of

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different ways like yes combat may be

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like i go up and hit something but maybe

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it's like i go up and i go this way and

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i try to jump off of this thing and then

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i hit something and like so it doesn't

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necessarily have to get stale and it's a

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good way to like allow people to kind of

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grow and then eventually branch off from

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that archetype and be able to i don't

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know if there's an actual number but

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like say like you get 10 sessions in and

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the player finally feels like they have

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an idea of what's going on here they

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have an idea how the game is played so

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now they can start making those kind of

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more

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radical non-archetypal decisions because

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it's maybe it's a character moment and

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they're deciding that you know what hey

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this happened to me and now i feel this

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way about this because of that event and

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that

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can be really enriching especially for

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new players and for old players alike

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and

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do i think it necessarily takes anything

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away

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not necessarily like kind of like what

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we just talked about but at the same

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time

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i think that at the end of the day each

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character should be unique in its own

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way you can still play an archetype like

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a human fighter that goes around hits

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things but that human fighter could be

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anything they could have been an old

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gladiator they could have been a human

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noble they could have been

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a failure out of a monk monastery they

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could be a lot of different things and

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that can inform like i guess it's an

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archetype to play it a certain way maybe

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in combat but like you can still feel

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unique and refreshed depending on like

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the amount of investment you put into

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the character in their backstory

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yeah that's a really good point and i

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think fighter can sometimes get a bit of

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a bad rap for being like oh a human

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fighter boring but

506
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man some of those subclasses are insane

507
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not to cut you off but

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i think that the fact that human fighter

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is seen as very boring i think is like

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one of the biggest like misconceptions

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and myth that exist

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i almost like to say teefling warlocks

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are really boring because everybody

514
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loves to play a tiefling warlock because

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they're high charisma and it makes sense

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i love the fact that the human is like

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kind of your almost big jack of all

518
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trades currently in the current um

519
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edition

520
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before tasha comes out and completely

521
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throws everybody upside down and we'll

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have a bunch of orc wizards out there

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yep but

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i think it's one of the most flexible

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and the most unique classes i think we

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just think about it wrong and like we

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just said like i've already come up with

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three i can probably come up with like

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five more different scenarios where the

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human fighters background is going to

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inform how they fight or what they are

532
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or who they are and how they interact

533
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within the world and is going to make

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them unique to that particular storyline

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where it fits

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and so a lot of the other class

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character races like they have that but

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like

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they also have their own stereotypes too

540
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that typically people want to lean into

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but

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a lot of times there are myriads of

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different types of humans on planet

544
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earth in our prime material but when we

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think of dwarves and elves and we only

546
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really think of the there's only one

547
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kind of dwarf and there's only one kind

548
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of elf and there's a stereotype there

549
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too so when people say to me like human

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fighters boring i'm like human fighters

551
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are great they can literally be anything

552
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yeah because they are kind of the blank

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slate

554
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,280
there's not already like okay if you're

555
00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:53,360
a dwarf and you're a cleric all right

556
00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,280
there's already an archetype to assume

557
00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:56,559
there and yes human fighter is an

558
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,320
archetype that you can assume but it can

559
00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:00,559
flex into so many different directions

560
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,480
that i just find it

561
00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:04,080
very interesting and unique that that's

562
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,240
where

563
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,000
people still kind of identify with it

564
00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,520
but i like to say it's just like

565
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,919
you just gotta dig a little deeper man

566
00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,520
yeah i i agree that just just looking at

567
00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:15,600
the subclasses available now especially

568
00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:18,640
the tasha's on the horizon they're just

569
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,240
mad and they provide such good

570
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,480
backstory

571
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,039
what's the word inspiration so oh i want

572
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,480
to be the samurai fighter subclass and

573
00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:27,919
absolutely you read the read the fluff

574
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,840
text to samurai and it's all you know

575
00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:31,120
honor and nobility and all this other

576
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,000
these other kind of things and then you

577
00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:35,280
read it for the other fighter subclasses

578
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,440
and that's

579
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,440
you know it takes one read of that fluff

580
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,840
to go wicked i've got a great idea here

581
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:45,039
i am yeah the idea i've got for a

582
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,720
fighter an orc samurai fighter is that

583
00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,640
he's basically like a vigilante kind of

584
00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,919
like a bounty hunter vigilante who i

585
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,360
love he's going to get rid of the bad

586
00:18:49,919 --> 00:18:52,799
guys by his own hand because he doesn't

587
00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:54,480
trust you know the police aren't doing

588
00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,320
their job and what not he's like well

589
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,600
it's down to me because they are bad and

590
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,440
therefore they got to go and i'm going

591
00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,559
to do it by my own kind of justice kind

592
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,840
of way and that's that's great and

593
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:04,320
that's still just a

594
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,760
just a fighter yeah exactly and

595
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,720
and i think we kind of touched on a

596
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,640
little bit too the other thing that's

597
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,919
going to be fun in tasha's if the

598
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,760
listeners aren't aware is that they're

599
00:19:09,919 --> 00:19:12,559
also allowing you to kind of flex one of

600
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,480
your

601
00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:16,160
ability score increases from your race

602
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,600
to a different one so that's why i was

603
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,840
saying like we're going to start getting

604
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,480
some very interesting crazy combinations

605
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,640
of like orc wizard or

606
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,160
what elf barbara i mean i guess you

607
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,760
could still be a barbarian as a what but

608
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,840
you know what i'm saying or like or

609
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,080
actually even better uh gnome barbarian

610
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,840
and just like just crazy combinations

611
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,760
that like i don't think we've ever seen

612
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,080
which is going to be interesting but

613
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:41,200
um the one thing that and we've kind of

614
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,760
discussed this already i fear for the

615
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,440
it's it's unique but it's almost it is

616
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,520
going to be unique for unique sake and i

617
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,880
do think that some folks will lean into

618
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,400
that for a little while it's like you

619
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,080
know having the vidulk and mystic as

620
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,559
expedo level 3 likes to say like yeah

621
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,559
it's the most out of the out of the wall

622
00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:58,400
thing you can think of but guess what

623
00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:59,600
everyone plays the vidal mystic the same

624
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,440
way because everybody has a

625
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,400
preconception of whatever dulcan mystic

626
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,559
is or

627
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,559
whatever the case may be but where you

628
00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:08,480
take something that's more i guess you

629
00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:10,000
could say mundane that we normally think

630
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,280
of like

631
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,880
but if you can actually take that and

632
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,240
expand upon that you'll probably find

633
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,760
that you have much more deeper

634
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,679
investment into those characters than

635
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,760
the ones that are just kind of like

636
00:20:17,679 --> 00:20:22,000
i almost like to say zebras and a pack

637
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,360
of horses if that makes sense yeah like

638
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,120
it's like yeah it's very unique and

639
00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:26,720
weird because of what it is but like is

640
00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,080
that all that's unique to that

641
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,240
particular character is the fact that

642
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,360
they they are a vidal mystic is there

643
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,120
something else about them that makes

644
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,480
them unique and a lot of times

645
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,240
unfortunately and not fortunately

646
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,840
unfortunately i i should preface every

647
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,280
single statement i say

648
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,360
your game is your game play it the way

649
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,480
you want yeah but like i'm

650
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,320
very much

651
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,440
i love the investment into deep

652
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,600
enriching

653
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,440
role play and

654
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,320
and that's why i say like a lot of folks

655
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,720
play those kind of zebra type characters

656
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,280
in one kind of facet in one way because

657
00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:00,000
it's novelty but after you get about 10

658
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,440
to 15 games in when does that novelty

659
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,880
wear off and then you have to start

660
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,400
realizing that like i don't have

661
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,760
anything other about this character

662
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,039
other than the fact that they are that

663
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,720
they are a novelty yeah they're a bit

664
00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:10,400
too dark what are they they're actually

665
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,120
two-dimensional because of the fact that

666
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,960
they

667
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:14,400
basically just lean into that one

668
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,880
characteristic about themselves rather

669
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:20,400
than actually having deep existential

670
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:22,640
crises and thoughts yeah but uh so i i

671
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,080
agree that they i think

672
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,240
i so

673
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,320
the same trap as you in the everybody's

674
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,640
game is their own however my my stance

675
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,360
on that is usually yes everybody's game

676
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,600
is their own but from experience

677
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:38,080
i find that the more you put in the more

678
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,080
you get out so the more you want to lean

679
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,440
into it the more enriching the payoff

680
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,480
ends up being

681
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,559
and i guess if you don't want them in

682
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,880
enriching off then okay that's that's

683
00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:49,280
fine hey pretzels and you know pretzels

684
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,799
and beer style d d is still a thing and

685
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,880
that that's what helps people kind of

686
00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:55,120
unwind on the weekends and i i get it

687
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,640
like it's like watching football and it

688
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,919
like it's the same kind of thing for

689
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,320
folks or

690
00:21:57,919 --> 00:22:01,200
american football

691
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,039
don't worry i might i made the

692
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,880
translation in my head sorry i know but

693
00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:06,320
i you know i gotta i want to clarify i'm

694
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,400
trying to make sure

695
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,240
but um you know it's it's it can be

696
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,919
cathartic which is nice but then like

697
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,159
you're saying the more you put into a

698
00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:16,400
game like this like and from that

699
00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:17,919
standpoint the more you do definitely

700
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,120
get out and the more rewarding it can be

701
00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:20,720
when things happen and the more

702
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:22,559
investment that you have and like what

703
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,200
happens to your character is huge too

704
00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:24,640
and

705
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,799
it just all kind of you know it's

706
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,640
building a snowball it just gets better

707
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:31,120
yeah and i think in my primary campaign

708
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,799
had a mix of player experience so it's

709
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:35,200
at the six setting four never played

710
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:37,679
before and then two had and

711
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,200
the absolutely that kind of

712
00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:41,200
cool off cathartic experience that you

713
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,360
mentioned has been for a couple of

714
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,200
players that very much that like it just

715
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,559
takes me away from the real world

716
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,080
because the real world kind of sucks

717
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:49,360
right now so let's go and live in a

718
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,559
different world for a bit and i don't

719
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,000
really care what happens as long as it

720
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,120
ain't the real world anymore which is

721
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,640
fine

722
00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:56,559
and as long as you don't put in an

723
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,070
existential pandemic inside your game

724
00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:02,000
which i've actually done before but

725
00:22:59,070 --> 00:23:04,320
[Laughter]

726
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,720
imitates life as they say

727
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,360
so yeah that's uh yes that's interesting

728
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,440
and

729
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:11,039
i've said it in an earlier episode that

730
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,400
there's a couple of big payoffs there

731
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:14,080
that i'm really looking forward to in

732
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,679
terms of like this is like two years in

733
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,400
the making almost at some point so it's

734
00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:20,559
gonna be a really juicy like wall that's

735
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,080
that's a big deal and that's thanks to

736
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:24,240
the players in part you know it's it's

737
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,640
them absolutely providing me the

738
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,480
munitions and i just got to knock the

739
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,240
arrow and let it fly

740
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,600
exactly i'm really proud of that analogy

741
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,480
well metaphor

742
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,559
so yeah trademark that one

743
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,480
not scripted whatsoever

744
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:40,640
by the way that was completely off the

745
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,760
cuff thank you

746
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,279
um

747
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,840
so yeah we've talked about kind of the

748
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:47,200
classes and then the roles they should

749
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,760
or shouldn't play

750
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,799
if we take that out up a level away from

751
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:56,000
the table top and around the table yep i

752
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:57,440
would like your professional opinion on

753
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,880
and it's going to sound like a stupid

754
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,799
question but i think some listeners are

755
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:04,080
going to appreciate it

756
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:06,240
how does the role of the dm differ from

757
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,640
the role of the players i am honored

758
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,320
that you call me professional however um

759
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,679
so

760
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,679
that's that's interesting

761
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:19,360
so it's funny you phrase that question

762
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:21,279
because my initial instinct and i want

763
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:23,279
to i want to make sure i'm providing

764
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:24,240
the best value i can here is that it it

765
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:26,480
doesn't

766
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,840
in a sense it doesn't really differ all

767
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,320
that much

768
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,919
while you are playing the npcs and like

769
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,960
you're pl you're fulfilling a lot of

770
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:36,720
different hats in this dm seat at the

771
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,960
end of the day like you are creating a

772
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,600
game for your players but they're giving

773
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,120
you just as much like and you even said

774
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,159
giving you the ammunition to knock the

775
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,760
arrow

776
00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:46,720
they're coming up with just as much

777
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,240
stuff

778
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,360
through their role play and their

779
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,919
complete

780
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:53,919
unabashed like real reactions to what

781
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:54,880
actually happened in your game

782
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:57,520
that

783
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,200
it basically gives you your prep like

784
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,760
yes you prep

785
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,640
but you prep because your players give

786
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,760
it to you

787
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,600
and so

788
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,200
from that standpoint like i like to

789
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,240
think of it as like yes you're giving

790
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,960
them something but they're giving you

791
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,200
something back from that standpoint so

792
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,640
i find that it really doesn't differ all

793
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,240
that much it's just that you're pl you

794
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,640
are in a different role because you're

795
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,880
playing a different position on the in

796
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,320
at the gaming table but

797
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,080
even and i think you can agree with me

798
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,400
on this like

799
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,799
especially for npcs and stuff like that

800
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,880
like you have pretty much generally

801
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:32,000
surface level investment in a lot of the

802
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,360
different characters that you are

803
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,640
portraying because you have to manage a

804
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:37,120
lot of them

805
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,799
but you dive in specifically on very

806
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:41,039
important ones that you care about and

807
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:42,400
you develop them quite a bit that's what

808
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,919
your players are doing

809
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,039
at all times

810
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:46,480
and so

811
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,799
in essence like

812
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,240
the way you are reacting is very similar

813
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,159
in the way that your players react it's

814
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,320
just that you do at the end of the day

815
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:56,960
do have control over a number of the

816
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,559
things that they run into but

817
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,400
nine times out of ten it's because

818
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:02,240
they've given you something

819
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,000
that tells you and cues into you that

820
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,400
they want this and that's what you give

821
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,720
back to them so and like and they want

822
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,720
it from you so in a sense i guess it

823
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,880
technically i guess it could still like

824
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,440
even with my roundabout description on

825
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,960
how this works is that it could still be

826
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,279
technically different but it's not very

827
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,360
different it's very similar both player

828
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:23,360
and dm are giving each other

829
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,960
just as much ammunition

830
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:27,360
if not more by the player side pretty

831
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,960
perfectly honest that the dm is kind of

832
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,080
putting back out there it's just that

833
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,919
they happen to be the one with the

834
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,600
screen in front of them that knows that

835
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,559
what's going to happen versus the

836
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,400
players

837
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:38,159
kind of fuel you with like

838
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,159
this is what they'd like to see happen

839
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:42,000
that's a really eloquent way of putting

840
00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:43,440
it there and they're almost like two

841
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,640
sides of the same coin right you're both

842
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,000
sitting at the same table to have the

843
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,080
same experience

844
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,919
so exactly everyone's there to have fun

845
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,600
at the end of the day so

846
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:52,640
one thing i do quite like about dming is

847
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,960
that

848
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,799
proactive and reactive

849
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,159
prep so you've got as you said you've

850
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,840
got an idea of what's going to happen

851
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:01,679
but then the players provide that well

852
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,200
this is what is going to happen sir and

853
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:05,120
this is this is what we're going to do

854
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,760
now exactly and then you've got exactly

855
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:09,919
yeah do that reactive the other half

856
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,360
there's all the taylor two sides on

857
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:13,120
every side of it

858
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,799
and and and don't get me wrong like i've

859
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:17,200
been blessed with great players who like

860
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:19,279
you know for example like i might like

861
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,640
come up with a world and prep all that

862
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,080
kind of stuff and give them a situation

863
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,000
like hey this is the little bubble that

864
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,080
you're starting in but then they also

865
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,240
just give me this entire giant bubble of

866
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,320
like what they want to produce or give

867
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,840
as part of their character and what they

868
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,360
what they see their character what their

869
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,520
character's history used to be where

870
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,200
they see the character going

871
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,120
that just gives me fuel to kind of okay

872
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,480
well you want this to happen well hey

873
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,240
guess what now there's something over in

874
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,760
this part of the world that exists and

875
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,200
like when you guys go to explore it

876
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,279
that'll fulfill that thing that you

877
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,640
wanted and like it continues to branch

878
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,760
off of there so because at the end of

879
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,000
the day like

880
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,480
in essence the dm's role is to make sure

881
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,080
that everyone's having a good time

882
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,840
and that even means themselves and the

883
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,039
players their kind of role is to make

884
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,799
sure that they themselves have a good

885
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,320
time which then would make the dm have a

886
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,840
good time so it kind of is a nice like

887
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,279
you're saying different sides of the

888
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,080
same coin

889
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,760
but

890
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,919
i find that it's

891
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,240
not too dissimilar and i find that it's

892
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:13,600
a two-way street it you know it's like

893
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,120
playing tennis you hit the ball one way

894
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,640
it comes back the other way it's just

895
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,080
that there's like six people on one side

896
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,320
of the court and one person on the other

897
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,320
yes

898
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,440
you're gonna meet in the middle exactly

899
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:28,159
something i have had an internalized

900
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,760
struggle with before is that it does

901
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:33,919
feel like i have to do a lot of homework

902
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:35,440
sometimes in terms of making maps and

903
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:37,760
you know making sure combat encounters

904
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,520
are going to be engaging and exciting

905
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,279
and that always takes longer than i

906
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,360
think it will do specifically combat

907
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,799
encounters so sometimes

908
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,159
sometimes it can fit a bit one way i

909
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,760
have to say that that's a personal

910
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:49,360
experience on my part and sometimes it's

911
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,200
a bit difficult for me and it's

912
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,679
something i need to work on as i as i

913
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,000
grow and and and get a better dm and

914
00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:58,480
sometimes just to disassociate

915
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,880
some things and some elements and

916
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,480
and so on and so on but um it's it's

917
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,320
funny you use the word disassociated and

918
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,320
i'm sorry to cut you off no no no i

919
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,080
wanna i actually wanna kind of hit that

920
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,679
part that you just mentioned please

921
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,039
because i've had

922
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:13,760
and this is gonna feel like a tangent

923
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:16,159
but it's not meant to be a tangent and

924
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,320
one thing that i find especially when

925
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:20,159
working with players who

926
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,279
might be having difficulty engaging in

927
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:23,679
role play

928
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:26,240
a part of what the

929
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:27,840
or at least what i find is that they

930
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,200
find themselves

931
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,480
well they're worried about the ridicule

932
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,919
from the people around them at the table

933
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360
which seems silly it's supposed to be a

934
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:34,159
safe space but sometimes that is the

935
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,760
thing

936
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:37,279
but they can't actually dissociate

937
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,200
themselves from the actions that the

938
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,480
character is taking between that and

939
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,360
themselves

940
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,159
and

941
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,080
that

942
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:45,279
that's why it prompted it in my head

943
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,880
that you said something about like it's

944
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,880
hard for me to disassociate like the

945
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,240
amount of prep and like the investment

946
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,760
or what i'm getting back out and it's

947
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,399
like and i do want to come back to that

948
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,080
too but if there's any listeners out

949
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:57,520
there who are trying to like figure out

950
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,159
ways to get their players to role play

951
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,760
more or whatever like that

952
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:03,279
a lot of the strategies i like to use

953
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,640
are usually like

954
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,480
like and if you you've heard it all

955
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,240
before like you know refer to each other

956
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760
as your character and refer and refer to

957
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,840
the actions that you're performing as

958
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,880
your character and all that kind of

959
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,279
stuff

960
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,640
but once you can get that kind of like

961
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,840
there's a little bit of a switch that

962
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,000
happens when you're able to kind of

963
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,360
disassociate yourselves from the actual

964
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,960
character themselves and realize that

965
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,799
you're playing the character and playing

966
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,880
a role not playing yourself as the

967
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,919
character which is always very difficult

968
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,440
in the beginning because most people

969
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:31,360
want to play characters that are very

970
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,520
similar to themselves which then leads

971
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,440
to the barrier role play is hard to

972
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,440
break down because there is that link

973
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,960
once you can take that away

974
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,080
you're amazed by the amount of freedom

975
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,760
that you can have and the amount of

976
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,279
awesome experiences you can have by

977
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,799
being able to kind of take a step back

978
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,559
and be like hey i'm just playing you

979
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,360
know vlad the impaler or whatever like

980
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,039
that

981
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,799
i am not vlad the impaler but i am

982
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,480
making decisions for vlad based on what

983
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,000
i think he would think

984
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,919
yeah and that

985
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,080
helps because then you are taking

986
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:59,200
responsibility of that action by the

987
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,880
character

988
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,440
the character is

989
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,240
and that can be very helpful but let's

990
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,600
all right sorry no no

991
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,960
dissociate's one of my favorite words

992
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,720
because it immediately makes me think of

993
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,159
that right off the bat yeah yeah no

994
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,320
that's great that's the purpose of the

995
00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:15,679
podcast so please anytime just please

996
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600
just dive in

997
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:20,240
that point you've made there of having

998
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,000
that responsibility for the character's

999
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,760
actions so

1000
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,159
we're going to talk about it the my guy

1001
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,399
syndrome thing and

1002
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:29,919
the best response i saw to that of you

1003
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:31,679
know someone saying well i'm going to do

1004
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:33,440
it because it's what my guy would do and

1005
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:34,480
it's it's almost you know they're almost

1006
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,960
putting their hands up and saying it's

1007
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,320
out of my control my my idiot barbarian

1008
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,919
would run in and

1009
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,080
essentially commit suicide because he's

1010
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:43,679
running headlong into some stupid thing

1011
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,200
and their response

1012
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:47,279
their response was

1013
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,120
that's crap you were in complete control

1014
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,559
of the actions of your character but the

1015
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,320
meaty part is

1016
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:54,000
as you were saying better than i can say

1017
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,919
is that you get to make that decision

1018
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,240
you get to make those choices and you

1019
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:59,679
can never abstain from responsibility

1020
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,519
because every action your character

1021
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:03,360
makes is one that you've consciously

1022
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,880
chose them to do and so you're always

1023
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,640
you always have a choice it's that

1024
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,559
fantasy trope of there's always a choice

1025
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,760
and like you're saying and and thank you

1026
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,399
for flattering me with saying that i'm

1027
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,960
smart um but um

1028
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:18,559
even still like in like the ability to

1029
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,640
be able to dissociate those actions is

1030
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:22,000
great but then the concept of like oh

1031
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,159
it's what my character would do it's

1032
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,360
like kind of thought processes that go

1033
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:26,640
along with that

1034
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,840
like you're saying at the end of the day

1035
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,399
you control your character but at the

1036
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,559
end of the day it's also you playing

1037
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:34,880
your character or playing the character

1038
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,000
so and i think and i tried to mention it

1039
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,919
before and i want to kind of hit this

1040
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,720
home like

1041
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:42,640
i believe in role play is utilizing the

1042
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,640
experiences that a character has had and

1043
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,159
being able to utilize those experiences

1044
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,640
and those thoughts and those ideals in

1045
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:51,600
order to be able to inform what they do

1046
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,200
in the future in given situations

1047
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,960
the example you gave me just there with

1048
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,519
the barbarian that just runs in headlong

1049
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,039
into a suicidal situation

1050
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,039
just because they're a dumb barbarian

1051
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,320
with an intelligence of four

1052
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,919
doesn't mean they don't have basic

1053
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,519
instincts on how to survive and they

1054
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:06,880
know that running into a fight that they

1055
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,480
know that they are going to lose is not

1056
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,200
something that they would do unless they

1057
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,720
are a psychopath which i'm probably not

1058
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,480
using the correct terminology but like

1059
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,519
unless they actually have something

1060
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,519
wrong with them i guess the best way to

1061
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:20,960
put it in that standpoint something

1062
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,240
chemically but that playstyle i'm doing

1063
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,919
it because my character would do it

1064
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,360
thought process in the kind of like the

1065
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,200
loaded part that comes along with that

1066
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,720
is is crap

1067
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,000
because of the fact that like

1068
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,960
it's not what your character would do

1069
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,960
it's what you're having your character

1070
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,320
do because you think it'd be funny

1071
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,600
exactly or you think that it would you

1072
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,200
think that would stir something up and

1073
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,159
that's not really what's happening and

1074
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:43,039
and i the best example i have is that

1075
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:44,799
i've been playing a cobalt artificer go

1076
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:47,760
figure and artificially but uh kobold

1077
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:49,279
artificer who um is very jumpy and

1078
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,799
anxious and like but he's an artificer

1079
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,159
so he's smart but he does have the

1080
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,600
tendency to act out of instinct

1081
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:54,720
occasionally because of the fact that's

1082
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,799
what he is

1083
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,679
and there was a point in our campaign

1084
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,519
where

1085
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:01,200
a number of different yuan t and a

1086
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,080
medusa were kind of all closing in on us

1087
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600
and

1088
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,519
they saw him

1089
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,159
and knew that he was there

1090
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:09,520
and the thing made eye contact with him

1091
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,639
and started walking towards him so he

1092
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,720
did the one thing that he thought he

1093
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,639
should do which was react and do

1094
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:16,320
something and try to fend it off as fast

1095
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,919
as possible

1096
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,359
even though the creature was telling

1097
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:21,760
them no

1098
00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:23,839
like don't because like it's like don't

1099
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,000
attack us or whatever like that but this

1100
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:28,000
character also knew from experience

1101
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,560
that if he didn't then there was very

1102
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,159
likely improbable that

1103
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,320
he would die

1104
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,119
or at least that's the thought process

1105
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,560
so

1106
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:38,159
having those kinds of moments at the

1107
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,560
table you have to kind of think like and

1108
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,159
and as me as a person like i was like i

1109
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,960
really think that this is what he should

1110
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,960
do

1111
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,960
this is a really what i think and based

1112
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,679
on like how i know this character this

1113
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,359
is what i think he would do

1114
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,720
so i'm going to do it even though i

1115
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:56,159
don't like it because gamer me is like

1116
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:58,400
this is a situation he's probably not

1117
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:00,640
going to be very successful in

1118
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,400
but it's kind of like a like cornering a

1119
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,839
cat like it's going to react somehow and

1120
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,359
that's the basically the situation i

1121
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:06,320
felt i was in

1122
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:07,280
so

1123
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,280
i did

1124
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,480
and it ended up being fine i mean the

1125
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,920
steel defender turned to stone you know

1126
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,680
whatever but

1127
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,119
which is kind of funny i find out that a

1128
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,560
steel defender can be petrified but

1129
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:19,119
that's that i actually had to look in

1130
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,240
that and apparently that happens um

1131
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,280
i was like

1132
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,880
and like it's not the one thing it

1133
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,880
should be immune to is like if it's like

1134
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,240
a piece of steel and it turns into rock

1135
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,079
shouldn't it still work um but um

1136
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:32,000
it ended up being fine and then a very

1137
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,720
similar situation came down in the in

1138
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,480
the

1139
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,000
games following and

1140
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,520
it was also very challenging too because

1141
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,839
it was also giant up ape at the time so

1142
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,599
that made it even more challenging but

1143
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:43,920
those situations where you run yourself

1144
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:44,640
into and like it may not necessarily be

1145
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,280
like

1146
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,599
either scenario had its own benefits and

1147
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,079
and disadvantages and

1148
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,680
you know scenario a of like trying to

1149
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,200
stay hidden and go ahead and be prisoner

1150
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,040
and see what happens

1151
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,800
that is one way you can go but the other

1152
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,800
way is to stand up and fight or at least

1153
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,720
react and

1154
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,079
that based on like what i knew my

1155
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:06,400
character's tendencies were and

1156
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,680
basically who they were i knew that was

1157
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,599
the way they were going to react because

1158
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,880
they used to live in a little kobold

1159
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,400
society and like they were brought

1160
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,160
rotten that way and like

1161
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,440
they're very small so they have to like

1162
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,280
kind of be nimble and quick and they

1163
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,680
have to think quickly or else

1164
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,119
they'll die because they're pretty weak

1165
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,720
and pathetic yeah let's not beat around

1166
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,560
the bush unless of course you get the

1167
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:27,359
really cool armor later on down the line

1168
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,359
so from that standpoint like

1169
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:32,000
that is a just a good

1170
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:34,320
what my character would do result in

1171
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,160
action but the idea of like i'm just

1172
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,599
going to stir the pot because i'm and

1173
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,280
i'm going to use the excuse that it's

1174
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:41,680
what my character would do so that way i

1175
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,680
don't have to take any ownership of it

1176
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,000
that i think is crap oh for sure

1177
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,800
absolutely um and you said they're like

1178
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,119
oh i'm just gonna do it because it's fun

1179
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,280
the the follow-up question to that is

1180
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,960
it's fun but only for you and you have

1181
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,119
to you have to consider that there are

1182
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,839
four five six other people who are going

1183
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,119
to be having the opposite of fun so then

1184
00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:02,800
you're just

1185
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,480
just a bit of a dna

1186
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,240
i like to think that every player on the

1187
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,680
gaming table in their own way is a

1188
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,040
dungeon master in their own sense

1189
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440
because but they only really have to

1190
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,720
manage and think for one person for one

1191
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,880
character but it is still their

1192
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,240
responsibility to ensure that the the

1193
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,079
enjoyment of everyone else around the

1194
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,520
table and i think that gets forgotten

1195
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,960
sometimes because of the traditional

1196
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,040
scenario you say like oh it's the

1197
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,320
dungeon master's job to do xyz and they

1198
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,920
got to produce all this stuff and make

1199
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,760
sure everybody gets like their piece and

1200
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,920
their character and stuff like that but

1201
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,440
there's also the idea of being a good

1202
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,480
player means that you also have to make

1203
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,079
sure that

1204
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,440
you're playing your character in a way

1205
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,720
that also includes everyone and make

1206
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,359
sure that everyone has fun and all this

1207
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:41,920
kind of stuff and at the same time

1208
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:44,480
enjoying it yourself and so i think that

1209
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,400
sometimes that gets lost occasionally

1210
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,000
and it's something that i

1211
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,839
in the like i said terrible podcast

1212
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,599
guess

1213
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:52,800
i think it's uh i think it's something

1214
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,560
that um

1215
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000
that people should think about the next

1216
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,960
time they go to sit down at their table

1217
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,960
is like

1218
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,640
how am i contributing to the enjoyment

1219
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,400
of everybody else around me

1220
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,920
like do i really need to be the person

1221
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,079
that stirs it up every time is that

1222
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,839
really what i like have to do or is that

1223
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:10,800
really only just serving myself in some

1224
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:12,000
cases like being the like potster that's

1225
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,920
a role and that's what i was going to

1226
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,200
make a joke about or i was going to talk

1227
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,040
about when we were talking about roles

1228
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,640
in the specific player roles like

1229
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,920
some people have their roles at their

1230
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200
table like if you're in your friend

1231
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,640
group there's always that one friend

1232
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,160
that like loves to make jokes and like

1233
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,640
because likes this through the pot but

1234
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,000
then like everyone has a big laugh about

1235
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,760
it because of it and there's always that

1236
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,119
one person that kind of you know helps

1237
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,720
people out when they get down and

1238
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,880
there's always that one person that kind

1239
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:36,240
of like is kind of like the speaker of

1240
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,599
the group and like is much more

1241
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:40,160
assertive and there's like willing to go

1242
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:42,480
into those uncomfortable situations and

1243
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,920
like that's where that piece of the role

1244
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,359
situation comes in like there is the

1245
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,480
role of the character and role playing

1246
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,520
the character and all that kind of stuff

1247
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,400
but then

1248
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,920
the

1249
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,760
roles that you play within your own

1250
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,000
friend group is also a big piece of the

1251
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,970
equation too and having a very fun very

1252
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:01,919
enjoyable dnd game

1253
00:38:55,970 --> 00:39:01,919
[Music]

1254
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:09,119
[Music]

1255
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:12,640
talking about the you know enabling

1256
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:15,599
everybody to have more fun i think i

1257
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,400
imagine in my headspace the game the

1258
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:21,359
flow of a session to have an ebb

1259
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,760
and a flow to it so you know sometimes

1260
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:26,240
these two characters might be talking

1261
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,640
just themselves for five ten minutes but

1262
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:30,400
then they'll you know they'll flow back

1263
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,599
out to sea and then another two

1264
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,880
characters will come in to fill that

1265
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:35,839
space and then they'll have their time

1266
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,599
to shine and that's how i personally see

1267
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:40,320
part of everybody's role to ensure that

1268
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:42,000
that ebb and flow is balanced and

1269
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,320
managed because because no one person

1270
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,240
can do that you need

1271
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,400
everybody at the table to be on board

1272
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,920
with that kind of okay now i've talked

1273
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,920
enough let me

1274
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,359
next couple of encounters maybe let me

1275
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,880
let me just take a backseat maybe i'm at

1276
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:56,320
the bar for the next couple of

1277
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,240
encounters and that's okay and that's

1278
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,520
fine i think someone that does a really

1279
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,200
good job there's a couple people that i

1280
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,520
think do a really good job and

1281
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,119
um i know a lot of folks get triggered

1282
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,400
when i say things about or when anyone

1283
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,680
says things about critical role but i

1284
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,200
think two people that do a really good

1285
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,280
job of that specific thing that we're

1286
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,440
talking about here is actually travis

1287
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,280
willingham and sam riegel like

1288
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,960
especially in the first campaign they

1289
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,319
know their roles in the in that seat

1290
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,079
during that first campaign and even in

1291
00:40:18,319 --> 00:40:21,520
this other campaign

1292
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,440
but they know

1293
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,359
they have that ability to kind of judge

1294
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,599
the ebb and flow of like when do i need

1295
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:30,079
to to speak or when do i need to be

1296
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:32,400
included or when when do i need to do

1297
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,839
something versus i need to take a step

1298
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,280
back and let these characters have their

1299
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:37,440
moment because they need to breathe and

1300
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,480
figure out what's going on and like have

1301
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,400
that moment in the sun and then

1302
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,079
go to a you know a shop and then like

1303
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,920
knock out a couple guards and then have

1304
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,040
all that you know the hilario hilarity

1305
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,319
that goes along with that whole

1306
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,599
situation that they had in the first

1307
00:40:48,319 --> 00:40:50,800
campaign so

1308
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,319
and like i'm not saying that everyone

1309
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,760
should pretend to be like them but like

1310
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:55,280
that's just a really good example of

1311
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,960
like if you want to see and like have

1312
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,040
something to kind of like look at as a

1313
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,560
player and have a model to kind of look

1314
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,480
at like look at how like those

1315
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,720
particular individuals kind of like play

1316
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,240
the game and how they they will step up

1317
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,000
and take the spotlight when they when

1318
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,720
necessary but they are

1319
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,720
engaged the whole time maybe not sam but

1320
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:14,880
they're engaged the whole time they're

1321
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,319
really invested in what's going on they

1322
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,920
want to know everything about the other

1323
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:19,440
characters as well not just like what

1324
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,440
happens to their own

1325
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,440
and then as a result

1326
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,960
that makes it so that way they're

1327
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,480
ensuring not only that everyone has fun

1328
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,839
but they're also having fun by hearing

1329
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,119
every like hearing what's going on

1330
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,400
that's allowing everyone to have fun and

1331
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,480
then when they get their moment it makes

1332
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,079
it even more special which is at the end

1333
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,839
of the day like what we want right like

1334
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,599
everyone to have fun and then you have

1335
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:39,119
fun ultimately in the end

1336
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,960
similar situation happening in in the

1337
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:42,720
game that i'm playing in at the moment

1338
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,720
with a couple of the players have been

1339
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:47,200
incarcerated and actually my character

1340
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:49,119
is the only one to escape out of a party

1341
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,800
of four so the dm and i were talking

1342
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,880
today at length about like how do we

1343
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,680
want to approach this this is when we we

1344
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,560
record it for its own podcast and

1345
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,760
even less boring stuff on air because

1346
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,359
you know one-sided so he's like it's

1347
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,880
only going to be you and me i don't want

1348
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:04,480
it to take too long but we just had that

1349
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,319
candid and open discussion about here's

1350
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,680
how we can approach it in a way that is

1351
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:10,560
going to be interesting but i said to

1352
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,599
him i said frankly with the players that

1353
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,800
we have

1354
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,480
i think the three of the guys are going

1355
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,720
to be more than happy just to listen to

1356
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,720
you and me talk about what's

1357
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,839
what's going to happen for that exact

1358
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,280
reason of

1359
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:23,040
their you know they're invested in the

1360
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,720
in the story and the narrative because

1361
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,760
they're having fun and right my

1362
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,440
character wasn't even there for the

1363
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,880
first 10 sessions they've had 10

1364
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,960
sessions without me you know it's that

1365
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,440
ebb and flow i guess is what i'm getting

1366
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,160
at that yeah it's bringing every

1367
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,480
everybody's level of enjoyment up

1368
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,960
exactly wow that was a

1369
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,960
we really went to town on that one huh

1370
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,079
oh yeah

1371
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,079
no not scared

1372
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,480
worst worst podcast guest ever no no no

1373
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,000
no

1374
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,040
that's the beauty of editing anyway who

1375
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,480
knows

1376
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,760
i know right

1377
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,359
um

1378
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,440
one thing i was i was thinking about

1379
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:01,440
then and it's a thought i've had before

1380
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,640
about i honestly can't remember whether

1381
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,920
i've talked about it before on the

1382
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,640
podcast or not but um i think that

1383
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,160
people might gravitate towards the human

1384
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,400
fighter and the

1385
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,880
you know the orc barbarian because

1386
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,640
they are maybe seen as easier i don't

1387
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,240
think maybe seen i think

1388
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,400
certainly barbarian is a simpler class

1389
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,839
than say druid for example certainly at

1390
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,599
an earlier level

1391
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:25,440
for sure especially for newer newer

1392
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,880
players who are like intimidated by a

1393
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,400
lot of the mechanics if you can you know

1394
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,760
if they can learn some of them it makes

1395
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,280
their life easier and then they can kind

1396
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,760
of branch into spell casting as they go

1397
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,960
but so yeah i think that like maybe

1398
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,760
newer players will gravitate towards

1399
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,480
those simpler classes for that reason

1400
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,640
but then ironically they can be harder

1401
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,560
to role play because you have to put

1402
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,480
more effort into that i'm not going to

1403
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,359
charge into that suicidal situation i'm

1404
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,880
not just going to be the edgy mute rogue

1405
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:52,319
in the corner who doesn't do anything or

1406
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,880
say anything because

1407
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:57,920
i'm quite silent type you almost because

1408
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,400
i'm so emo and edgy yeah yeah the fringe

1409
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,599
is coming down their face and this it's

1410
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,040
they're almost

1411
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,880
setting themselves up there for a harder

1412
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,880
job of role-playing because they've got

1413
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,160
no you know they've painted themselves

1414
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,960
into a corner almost of playing the role

1415
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,960
to

1416
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,440
bring us back onto the topic of the [ __ ]

1417
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,359
i was playing the role of that class

1418
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,119
is you know i'm playing the barbarian

1419
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,720
hey that seems nice cool fun i get to

1420
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,119
clobber things and do a lot of damage

1421
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,880
okay and then what do you want to drink

1422
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:28,079
is the first question the dm might throw

1423
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,760
at that player oh uh

1424
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,720
don't know i

1425
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:35,040
couldn't say whereas the the bard or the

1426
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:37,760
or the nature loving hippie druid will

1427
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,640
be like you know i want a

1428
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,920
herbal tea or i want uh your a gin and

1429
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,720
tonic for the bard or something i've

1430
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,560
already got some legs to stand on there

1431
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:48,160
whereas or our druid who wants to eat

1432
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,160
old spoiled milk but that's beside the

1433
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,160
point

1434
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,440
something in the air because in my other

1435
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,280
campaign i'm running i made them

1436
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,720
the players are in like a hyper

1437
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,800
commercialized capitalistic dwarven town

1438
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,880
so it's not it's not just like

1439
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,680
mining and smith's it's almost like a

1440
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,280
mall a shopping center um with really

1441
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,800
like mass produced

1442
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,640
garbage so there's there's like

1443
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,800
literally like closed rails of armor

1444
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,920
that it all just carbon copied and

1445
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,800
one of the reasons they're there is to

1446
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,240
be like why this is a bit crap but

1447
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,319
one of the one of the things i set up

1448
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,119
for them was that was a dwarf box to go

1449
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,400
and get

1450
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:29,040
coffee

1451
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,119
yeah and then they all ordered milk here

1452
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,200
so i don't know what a weird coincidence

1453
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,599
i thought okay milk

1454
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,079
seven milks please

1455
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,280
the irony of a spores dwarf druid that

1456
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,390
wants milk

1457
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,319
that's spoiled

1458
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:43,520
[Laughter]

1459
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,800
that's what i'm dealing with in my

1460
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,920
campaign which is

1461
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,079
hilarious that's good lots of yeah lots

1462
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,440
to work with and lean into there you

1463
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,280
know how many dairy farms i'm like

1464
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,880
thinking of now just to come up with

1465
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,480
just for him and like how many different

1466
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,400
varieties of milk and where they come

1467
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,240
from like it's your players give you

1468
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,560
what they want yeah that's that's it's

1469
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:04,720
it's it's literally that easy i love

1470
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,200
seeing the the tropes and the memes of

1471
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:08,160
people searching for like how to make a

1472
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,960
bomb

1473
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,720
but don't worry fbi agent i'm a dm

1474
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,560
like this isn't a real oh yeah i'm doing

1475
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:16,560
it for the game

1476
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,160
likewise like what types of milk and and

1477
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,520
i think we've all every dms had to do

1478
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,839
that at some point when they've gone

1479
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,839
okay let me let me think about that and

1480
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:24,960
then just furiously have to research

1481
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:27,040
some

1482
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,319
some insane bizarre topic that they'd

1483
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,599
never have to google before and

1484
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:30,960
definitely end up on some kind of

1485
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,119
register somewhere

1486
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,640
oh yeah absolutely one thing

1487
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:38,160
again i made a i made a map of a

1488
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,000
super simple there's a second map i made

1489
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,319
so it wasn't it wasn't very good map of

1490
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,960
a kind of like a mana mansion house for

1491
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:46,560
a uh masquerade party first floor ground

1492
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,640
floor on first floor or first floor and

1493
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,150
second floor to translate it

1494
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,680
of you know

1495
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:53,680
[Laughter]

1496
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,280
i was like wait what

1497
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,720
i was on the same page with you and then

1498
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,640
i was like wait what i could never

1499
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,079
remember which way round it is but yeah

1500
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,560
i mean it would be first floor second

1501
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:04,240
floor but the way you you you presented

1502
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,000
it i was able to

1503
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,160
maybe smarter than i think i figured it

1504
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,160
out

1505
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,040
like you know there's like a dining room

1506
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,480
the

1507
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,480
the study the the kitchen area a bunch

1508
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,920
of bedrooms upstairs and of course

1509
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,040
within the first 10 minutes one of the

1510
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,359
players is like i'm gonna go into the

1511
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,599
bathroom and we i'd made a battle map

1512
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:25,040
just for sake of simplicity and

1513
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,720
was like oh crap

1514
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,000
i didn't put any bathrooms on this map

1515
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:32,079
of this house that people live in there

1516
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,200
uh there's an outhouse outside it's not

1517
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:37,680
on the map yeah so i i quickly took the

1518
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,119
tools and just drew on a couple of rooms

1519
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,960
where i had some negative space left

1520
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,880
over i just said okay that's that's your

1521
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,880
toilet for today and then in that

1522
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,720
session i said okay from now on every

1523
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,720
bloody building you go into is gonna

1524
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:50,079
have toilets explicitly labeled because

1525
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,160
apparently you guys need to know where

1526
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:54,000
they are

1527
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,280
sometimes when skipping the boring stuff

1528
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,720
doesn't always

1529
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,920
pan out

1530
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,359
yeah

1531
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,280
that's too funny

1532
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:03,680
talking we've talked about

1533
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,440
class class roles roles of classes we've

1534
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,839
talked about the role of the dm we've

1535
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,040
talked briefly a little bit about

1536
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,559
the

1537
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,520
roles of the players or at least you

1538
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:12,880
know

1539
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,400
some things they might not have thought

1540
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,880
about one thing i was going to talk

1541
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,400
about now is to bring us back in game so

1542
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,440
maybe close that loop

1543
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:25,680
is npc roles

1544
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:28,880
do you think that npcs should conform to

1545
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:31,520
specific roles so what i mean by that is

1546
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,040
again to use maybe world of warcraft as

1547
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,119
an example is that obviously you have

1548
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,720
quest givers that stand with a yellow

1549
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,760
exclamation mark above their head but

1550
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,839
also in

1551
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,160
thanks to d d we also have other kind of

1552
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:44,240
uh roles for npcs such as a tag along

1553
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,839
and obviously the big bad evil guy what

1554
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:48,559
do you think like

1555
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:50,160
how do you articulate that in your games

1556
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,599
do you think it works to the betterment

1557
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,319
of the game or to the detriment of the

1558
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:55,839
game to have npcs fulfill these kind of

1559
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:57,520
roles do they detract from the

1560
00:48:55,839 --> 00:49:00,800
experience and what are your kind of

1561
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,800
musings on that topic

1562
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,079
i think uh you might know the answer to

1563
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,839
this question already but i do see that

1564
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:10,079
they uh i'm gonna kind of switch it on

1565
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:13,200
you a little bit i do see their value in

1566
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:14,480
having them um i do see that it's

1567
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,839
especially for folks that are

1568
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,079
transitioning into the game for the

1569
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:20,240
first time i find that having

1570
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:23,359
some of those specific roles on like

1571
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:25,119
having a big bad evil guy and like an

1572
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:27,040
npc who is typically the person that

1573
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,200
they go to to get certain quests and

1574
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,359
stuff like that or whatever i do find

1575
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,559
that in that standpoint it can be very

1576
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:34,559
important just in order to be able to

1577
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:37,359
kind of help players you know break into

1578
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:39,680
the game but after that kind of happens

1579
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:41,680
in the first kind of town

1580
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,599
i personally

1581
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,599
our npc is going to have a role for

1582
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,800
myself as the dungeon master yes but are

1583
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,280
there going to be the traditional

1584
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,480
archetypes that we're talking about no

1585
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,480
and

1586
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,559
there are going to be specific npcs that

1587
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,720
are going to be quote unquote quest

1588
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:59,040
givers provided that the party does

1589
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,559
their investigation and figures out like

1590
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,920
you know hey there's something going on

1591
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,280
we need to figure this out and then they

1592
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,720
go to talk to a specific person they're

1593
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,800
like oh yeah like i have this thing

1594
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,079
going on can you go take care of it like

1595
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,200
but then they're gonna come back to that

1596
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,400
guy it's not like he's gonna be like oh

1597
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,280
no i don't have anything else for you to

1598
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,640
do

1599
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,359
that was just the only thing like i

1600
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,960
don't need you i don't like go away or

1601
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:18,480
you know what i mean like

1602
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,079
from that standpoint and then like there

1603
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,520
always needs to be especially i mean

1604
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:23,200
there actually technically doesn't like

1605
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,040
you can just completely play an improv

1606
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,720
game where eventually though you just

1607
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,200
are playing out player retirement but

1608
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:31,520
typically you do have to have some sort

1609
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,680
of existential crisis or threat whether

1610
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,760
it's in the foreground or the background

1611
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,440
that is entirely up to you but generally

1612
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,880
speaking you want to have something that

1613
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,559
is kind of going to be like if you're

1614
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,480
going to go from one level one to level

1615
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,520
20 and generally speaking it's probably

1616
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,599
going to be in the background most of

1617
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,880
the time instead of the foreground um

1618
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,839
but there is fun ways to kind of put in

1619
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,599
the foreground as well if you're

1620
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:51,440
creative but

1621
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:54,640
having some sort of like

1622
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,559
evil or antagonistic presence

1623
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,880
in a game i think is important because

1624
00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:00,960
it gives your player characters a reason

1625
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,880
to adventure other than just simply

1626
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,880
going out to find treasure so they can

1627
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,400
make a living because at that point it's

1628
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,559
a job and we don't want to pretend that

1629
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,760
we have it we don't want our at least i

1630
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,200
like to think we don't like to pretend

1631
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,960
that we have a job in our pretend world

1632
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,640
about killing monsters and slaying

1633
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,000
dragons from that standpoint i do

1634
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,520
believe it's important to kind of have

1635
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,640
that kind of central crisis or that

1636
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,640
central like

1637
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,160
um evil presence

1638
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,920
in the traditional sense now you could

1639
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,440
be playing a group of evil characters

1640
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,960
that want to take away a god like that's

1641
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,040
totally fine too that can be your your

1642
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,920
version of antagonistic evil presence or

1643
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,000
whatever

1644
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,280
but at the same time like i think it's

1645
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,280
very important to have that because it

1646
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,880
gives you something to build up to and

1647
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,200
have something for them to engage with

1648
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,920
and near the end of your campaigns but

1649
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,760
the traditional sense of like having a

1650
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,839
specific quest giver or any of those

1651
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,680
other kind of traditional roles to be

1652
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:49,359
filled as npcs like

1653
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,200
no it doesn't need to be that way

1654
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:53,359
necessarily like

1655
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,880
and like some npcs might require more of

1656
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:56,559
the party or maybe it's an it just

1657
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,480
happens to be an npc like a wizard or

1658
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:59,839
something like that who is valuable to

1659
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,599
the party and that's why they keep going

1660
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:03,440
back to help him because he

1661
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:04,640
or he might be asking the players to do

1662
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,240
something because it's something that he

1663
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,720
can't do or he doesn't have the time to

1664
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:11,040
do and that's why it's happening so

1665
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:13,040
it can be there but i don't think it

1666
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,960
necessarily needs to be thought of like

1667
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,480
oh this person's just like a quest giver

1668
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,599
that gives me multiple quest lines and

1669
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,599
stuff like that to do and they're just

1670
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:20,319
like a central place to go for that i

1671
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,319
think

1672
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:24,160
npcs are people too like they have their

1673
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:26,240
own needs and wants and all that kind of

1674
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,000
stuff so if their goals and needs and

1675
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,079
wants are accomplished like they may

1676
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,760
want to do other things but they may not

1677
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:33,599
and that might be the end of their that

1678
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,359
might be the end of their story like

1679
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:37,280
that person like has the thing taken

1680
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:39,440
care of like the farmer's

1681
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,559
daughter gets rescued from the goblins

1682
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,400
or whatever like that and then they

1683
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:44,880
never see them again like that's

1684
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,400
entirely possible or maybe they are like

1685
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,400
hey if you want like if you want to make

1686
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,920
some extra coin like i need some

1687
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,359
or out of the mountains but it's only in

1688
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,440
this one specific mountain then there

1689
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:54,960
might be trolls up there like like yeah

1690
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,640
sure like that can still happen but it

1691
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,160
doesn't have to yeah so from that

1692
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,520
standpoint i guess it's a little bit of

1693
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,119
yes and a little bit of no sure i guess

1694
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,280
it's the best way to put it which is

1695
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:06,480
again worst podcast i guess there you go

1696
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,480
you say yes and no to everything

1697
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,240
no no no it's somewhere in the middle

1698
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,240
like we've been saying yeah yeah and

1699
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:14,240
that's the nature of life right so you

1700
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,280
know we're not going to escape that but

1701
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:18,559
yeah i

1702
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,319
love to subvert expectations hence go

1703
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:21,920
into a mining town and there's not a

1704
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:23,119
smithy in sight there's just blinding

1705
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,559
white lights and clothes threats

1706
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:26,319
everywhere it's like oh hang on that's

1707
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:28,960
not that's not dwarf and see and

1708
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:31,040
likewise with my npcs i've probably lent

1709
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,359
on that a little bit too hard and maybe

1710
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,880
harder than i should have done for newer

1711
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:37,119
players who are probably expecting a

1712
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,720
little helping hand of to be met in the

1713
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,400
middle of

1714
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:42,400
now come on just give me some exposition

1715
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,559
here because that's what we need and

1716
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,400
we're after right now but i've i make

1717
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:48,400
points of being like no you can't just

1718
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,160
keep pressing next next next next next

1719
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,839
in a dialogue tree right and eventually

1720
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,359
just keep looping around there's a point

1721
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:54,839
when the person's like please leave my

1722
00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:59,440
home now

1723
00:53:54,839 --> 00:54:00,800
because my stew's boiling over and uh

1724
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,599
i can't i don't know what else to tell

1725
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,160
you

1726
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:05,760
the classic one i like to use is the npc

1727
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,920
who's like annoyed by the fact that the

1728
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,200
players are coming to talk to them

1729
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,720
because like they're in the middle of

1730
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,680
doing something like in the example

1731
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:13,599
you're talking about like maybe

1732
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,520
somebody's just like trying to go to

1733
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,640
work because they're late and the player

1734
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,800
characters are stopping them and he's

1735
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,200
like i i need to go like

1736
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,480
i'm not like you know npc number five

1737
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,760
that's gonna sit here and tell you

1738
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,839
everything that i know about the town

1739
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,880
like i've got to go but if you want to

1740
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:32,000
find uh sheriff jim he's like over there

1741
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,760
bye see you later like i'm out

1742
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,920
yeah which could be so frustrating for

1743
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,760
the players in a good kind of way to be

1744
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,760
like yeah this guy's got to go at

1745
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,359
somewhere and sometimes it's always well

1746
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,680
why is he being so why doesn't he want

1747
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:45,599
to talk to us he's nah he's just got a

1748
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,920
nine he's just got a nine to five

1749
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:49,040
that's it there's no well and and i love

1750
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,200
kind of like

1751
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,359
it's almost like subverting expectations

1752
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,200
but it's also a little bit of like

1753
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:57,920
like and subverting the like idea of

1754
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,520
like the you know video game and nes

1755
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,640
like style that people are used to but

1756
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,400
it's just like

1757
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,280
no this dude's a real person who has

1758
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,440
like needs and like i have a shopkeeper

1759
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,760
who basically like he sells his items

1760
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,280
like i would say it's a fair price based

1761
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,640
on the system that i'm using but my

1762
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,400
player here's like oh that's like so

1763
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,240
expensive and then like say that to the

1764
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,680
npc and he's like

1765
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,960
i have to make a living you know what i

1766
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,280
bought these things for this is only

1767
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,440
like a 10 mark up like i need to make a

1768
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,319
profit here i'm not trying to screw you

1769
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,599
over

1770
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:27,359
but like they still think that he is

1771
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:29,200
because it's like 10 000 gold what are

1772
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:30,319
you talking about and it's like

1773
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,599
you know there's only one of these

1774
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:33,920
things in the world right i'm not just

1775
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:36,640
gonna give it to you for 500 goals yeah

1776
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,720
like you can't just ask nicely and yeah

1777
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,480
have it for free here

1778
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:42,559
even with your persuasion check of 20

1779
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,640
it's gonna be a 30 on that persuasion

1780
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,559
check because guess what like

1781
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,640
i need to make a living like i like you

1782
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,440
but i don't like you that much

1783
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,880
so

1784
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,720
that's the one i always like have fun

1785
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,319
with is the shopkeeper ones because it's

1786
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,839
always like well why isn't this guy like

1787
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:57,119
help working with us and it's like well

1788
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:59,200
there's a reason

1789
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:01,280
he has to make a living

1790
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,680
oh yeah there's real parts of this like

1791
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,200
npcs like have motivations like it's not

1792
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,079
like when you go and play in skyrim and

1793
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,839
you like

1794
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,200
you sell all your magic weapons that you

1795
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:11,520
got out of the cave that you don't need

1796
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,040
anymore and then like the person has

1797
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,559
like infinite gold to buy them off of

1798
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,079
you from like that's not how it works

1799
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:18,400
yeah although i think they did fix that

1800
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:20,079
in skyrim is they um set limits on how

1801
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,920
much gold each each person had but there

1802
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:23,760
were ways to work around it like sleep

1803
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,960
for a week come back and just they still

1804
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,280
haven't they have more gold together

1805
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,400
like you just you steal their own goods

1806
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,480
right in front of them and then just

1807
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,520
sell it back to them straight away yeah

1808
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,280
and they were like yeah that was just

1809
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,880
fine yeah

1810
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,400
please take all my money for the goods

1811
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,960
that were sitting on that shelf in front

1812
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,400
of me 30 seconds ago here

1813
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,799
exactly

1814
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,400
yeah i want to wear that concept of

1815
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:46,160
bartering with

1816
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,920
the shopkeepers has come from because

1817
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,520
that happens in like every game unless

1818
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,040
you're playing with very mature

1819
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,960
experienced players and who are playing

1820
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,440
very you know lawful good characters

1821
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,240
pretty much every party will have

1822
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,240
some one person

1823
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,599
their immediate thing is give us a

1824
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,880
discount which sometimes doesn't make

1825
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,960
sense because

1826
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,799
in day to day i can't go to my

1827
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,359
supermarket and i can't ask the cashier

1828
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:15,280
there like give me ten percent off this

1829
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:17,200
pack of fosters

1830
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:21,280
what sorry sir the

1831
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,280
the shelf edge label says it's 5.99

1832
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:26,240
so what do you want me to do here

1833
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,599
that's just not a thing so exactly

1834
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,000
there's i think there's a couple things

1835
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:32,240
that go there it's the idea that in a

1836
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,040
lot of your traditional like fantasy

1837
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,400
rpgs like that system is available or at

1838
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,960
least in a number of them like your

1839
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,799
skyrims and um i'm trying to think the

1840
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,240
like fallout has it all the same company

1841
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:45,359
yeah but there are a number of different

1842
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:47,680
games that play like that and

1843
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:49,280
i think also the idea of like

1844
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,680
because this is kind of like a unique

1845
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,520
fantasy world and like

1846
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,720
back if you think back to like medieval

1847
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,319
ages and stuff like that like you didn't

1848
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,000
have price tags like people traded and

1849
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:59,760
that's how things worked back then and

1850
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,160
like gold was a thing but a lot of times

1851
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,400
people traded so and since most of us

1852
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,880
play our fantasy settings in that very

1853
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,960
fantasy way when you put a price tag on

1854
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,720
something like it and the experience of

1855
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,000
playing in fantasy style settings and

1856
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,520
video games and other things makes

1857
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,160
people think well i can barter for this

1858
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,000
right and it's like yeah sure you can

1859
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,960
however you're not going to be able to

1860
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,880
beat the computer's logic based on the

1861
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,400
number of times you go and talk to them

1862
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,760
and try to like giggle and flirt with

1863
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,599
them and then try to see if they'll like

1864
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,599
give you a knock off on the price like

1865
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,839
that might only get you so far and it's

1866
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:33,119
not going to be oh because they have a

1867
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:34,480
very good disposition to you they're

1868
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,599
going to give you half off they still

1869
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,960
need to make money so they're still

1870
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,839
going to have some sort of origin

1871
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,760
problem

1872
00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:42,400
there's a limit to how much craziness

1873
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,520
that you can get away with there and it

1874
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,799
goes right back the other way the

1875
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,319
players will always try to sell their

1876
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:47,119
stuff worth more than what it actually

1877
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:48,960
is

1878
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,400
and if they have a savvy shopkeeper

1879
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,040
talking to them they're not going to buy

1880
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,799
it

1881
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,920
so they always say like persuasion check

1882
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:57,680
is not dominate person and intimidation

1883
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,920
is not dominate personally they are very

1884
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,599
much within the remit of those spells to

1885
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,119
have that kind of take the shirt off

1886
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,359
your back and give it to me okay that's

1887
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:07,040
a level four spell slot please

1888
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:08,240
yeah exactly like there's a value there

1889
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,240
there's a value proposition there it's

1890
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,520
not just like doing well on a check and

1891
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,119
like you said like you can intimidate

1892
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,040
some shopkeepers or some people all you

1893
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,760
want they might be scared to death of

1894
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,839
you

1895
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,960
but they're not more scared of being

1896
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:22,319
homeless so guess what they might like

1897
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,520
try to come up with a number they think

1898
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:25,359
you might be okay with but they're

1899
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,200
probably still going to try to make

1900
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:30,960
money off of it like that's how it works

1901
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,960
exactly it's like being a real person

1902
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:35,040
it's like real people have needs or

1903
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,839
something yeah weird right bizarre i

1904
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,960
know

1905
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,880
one of the things i read recently

1906
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,040
someone posted on reddit about how to

1907
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,400
run social encounters and they put the

1908
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,920
first point it may or may not have been

1909
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,000
paraphrased from the dungeon master's

1910
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,799
guide but it was basically like just

1911
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,920
like we're saying npcs have got needs

1912
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:51,440
wants

1913
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,760
leverage points essentially and i sent

1914
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,839
that to my players to say

1915
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,760
look maybe some of the times you feel

1916
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:59,920
like you're butting heads with me

1917
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:03,119
it's because you approach pretty much

1918
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:05,040
every npc in the same way of just

1919
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:06,720
tell me what you know now and you won't

1920
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,720
get hurt i don't know anything that

1921
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,640
person knows okay you tell me what you

1922
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,240
know and you won't get hurt and i said

1923
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,920
to them like

1924
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,319
when i tell you how they stand and what

1925
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:19,280
they're wearing that's not just

1926
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:20,960
you humoring me that's me helping you

1927
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,880
out to kind of figure it out yeah you

1928
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,480
might get further by saying oh hey have

1929
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,000
you have you been

1930
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,359
working out because

1931
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,440
that shirt's looking a little tight on

1932
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:31,200
you buddy anyway um what can you what do

1933
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,359
you know about this can get you a lot

1934
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,040
further than just tell me everything you

1935
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:36,880
know or you won't hurt you depending on

1936
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,359
the npc and that's what i i want to

1937
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:43,119
leverage more myself as a dm

1938
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:44,240
yeah i i love the as silly as it sounds

1939
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,240
like there's always going to be like a

1940
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,160
favorite npc

1941
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,400
in most parties but i always love to use

1942
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,079
those npcs to

1943
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,839
also highlight the fact that like there

1944
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:55,920
are other npcs that you can treat in a

1945
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:58,240
very similar way at least that you can

1946
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,359
develop a relationship with and actually

1947
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,280
like

1948
01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:03,119
i don't know just like you can develop

1949
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,559
relationships with certain with npcs

1950
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,680
that will allow you to have certain

1951
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:07,599
benefits

1952
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,200
it's like everyone loves like oh this

1953
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:10,240
guy's hilarious and so that's why we

1954
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,319
want to keep talking to him like that

1955
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,160
that's a benefit but then there's also

1956
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:15,680
in-game benefits of like you know align

1957
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,119
yourself with like a certain noble or

1958
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,240
something like that maybe you get like

1959
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:23,760
free passage between a certain area or

1960
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:25,280
maybe they are able to get your um

1961
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,200
bounty wiped away because you did

1962
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,559
something that was seen as unlawful but

1963
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,000
like they can vouch for you or something

1964
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:32,319
like that like which is what i'm kind of

1965
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,920
excited for in um tasha's called

1966
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:35,440
everything

1967
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,200
the group patrons and stuff like that

1968
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,000
there's a lot of and i think a lot of

1969
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,079
folks can actually utilize a lot of that

1970
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,160
material to not only guide necessarily

1971
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:45,520
like oh patrons in the traditional sense

1972
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,280
but also

1973
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,280
having that ability to use that as a

1974
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,119
kind of basis to role play a number of

1975
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,720
major npcs that could be of benefit to

1976
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,160
the party that aren't necessarily just

1977
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,680
their patrons sending them out on things

1978
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,359
or doing or having them do things for

1979
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,400
them i think it's a really great way to

1980
01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:01,920
kind of use that as a way to build like

1981
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,280
okay if i'm going to have an npc that's

1982
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,559
going to be important and can benefit

1983
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,000
the party like this could be a good way

1984
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,280
to kind of bill them out

1985
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,640
yeah that's something i'm looking

1986
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,000
forward to having a bit more of a

1987
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,280
framework around as well and again

1988
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,359
something i haven't really thought too

1989
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,640
much of on but needless to say i'm very

1990
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:15,920
much looking forward to tuesday i've

1991
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,839
already earmarked a couple of the

1992
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,400
subclasses that i want to a little

1993
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:22,480
theory crafting session around and

1994
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,319
so on and so

1995
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,000
have you got any any points you wanted

1996
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:28,559
to discuss or any topics you wanted to

1997
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,079
talk about around the concept of

1998
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:32,079
roles

1999
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:33,599
i think we kind of hit a lot of the

2000
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:35,680
major ones i wanted to talk about

2001
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:37,440
because we we talked about like the role

2002
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:40,079
of the dungeon master the player the

2003
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,599
character role playing itself entirely

2004
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,799
whenever i have this conversation with

2005
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,880
folks is i

2006
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:47,440
really try to push

2007
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,920
and i think this has been apparent

2008
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,880
the sincerity and the

2009
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,799
honesty that role play

2010
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,960
can be enhanced by like or that role

2011
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:59,359
play can be enhanced much more by

2012
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,960
honesty and sincerity

2013
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:02,640
in the context of what we just talked

2014
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,640
about when we're talking about npcs and

2015
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,000
like how you interact with them and like

2016
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,160
certain people like certain things and

2017
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,440
don't like certain things like or having

2018
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,760
that understanding of like when you're

2019
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,319
playing your player character that like

2020
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:17,039
that based on what their experiences are

2021
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:18,640
like is to inform them on what their

2022
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,319
decisions will be differently

2023
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,000
necessarily than what your own

2024
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:23,839
experiences would be and how you would

2025
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,440
react in the situation and kind of

2026
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:27,520
utilizing that as a framework to give

2027
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,440
yourself something to base your

2028
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,119
decisions off of as a role-playing

2029
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,000
character in a tabletop role-playing

2030
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:34,000
game

2031
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,920
i think that we oftentimes look very

2032
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,280
much at the surface level kind of

2033
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,839
aspects where we see physical

2034
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,359
characteristics the stat array that we

2035
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:43,119
put on our staff blocks and stuff like

2036
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:44,880
that but the one thing that i always

2037
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,400
find very interesting is that usually

2038
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,440
that top right hand corner of most

2039
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,039
character sheets where it says

2040
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,319
personality traits bonds and flaws and

2041
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:52,079
all that kind of stuff

2042
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:53,200
usually is the last thing that people

2043
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:55,440
think about

2044
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,359
because it doesn't have a mechanical

2045
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,680
aspect absolutely in the fifth edition

2046
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:01,119
game and i think it's interesting

2047
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,240
because people either just fill that in

2048
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:04,240
with something random and ignore it

2049
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,119
completely they don't fill it in

2050
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,960
i

2051
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:08,559
have only played so many characters but

2052
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,640
i'd love to get to the point where i've

2053
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:12,720
played enough characters that i can take

2054
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,880
the random assortment of ideas bonds and

2055
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,799
flaws put them on a piece of paper

2056
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,799
and then think about ways that are

2057
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:20,880
reasons in their backstory of why they

2058
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:23,039
are this way for sure yeah what informed

2059
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,799
them and why don't they trust people or

2060
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:27,039
like like why is the most important

2061
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:28,880
thing to them their meemaw what is the

2062
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:31,680
reason behind that and how does that

2063
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,520
inform how they react into a situation

2064
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,280
where someone's family member is in

2065
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,680
danger or

2066
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,680
when some person comes up to them asking

2067
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,200
them for aid but

2068
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,480
they're apprehensive of helping that

2069
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,039
person because they don't know who they

2070
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,440
are and they've only just met yeah so i

2071
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:49,920
find that thought process around the

2072
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,880
idea of role play much more

2073
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,079
rich and engaging and honest that's kind

2074
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,319
of the one thing that i want to kind of

2075
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:57,680
hammer here then just kind of looking at

2076
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:59,599
everything on the left side of the

2077
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,480
character sheet as i like to say which

2078
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:04,160
is basically the numbers yeah which can

2079
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,039
technically impact role play because of

2080
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:09,839
the randomness yeah however

2081
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:12,160
i'm the dm that i'll say that would

2082
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:14,319
probably lead to a specific result i

2083
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,520
don't need a role because you did things

2084
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:18,240
a certain way

2085
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,359
you gained xyz benefit out of the

2086
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,280
interaction

2087
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:22,880
because you're doing it in a sincere and

2088
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,200
honest way to the way your character

2089
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,559
would portray it as opposed to what your

2090
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,240
stats on the left side of your character

2091
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:29,039
sheet would lead you to believe

2092
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,720
yeah

2093
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:32,720
christmas six characters

2094
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:36,160
have a place to be able to get things in

2095
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,680
social situations they have that ability

2096
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,599
despite the fact that they may not

2097
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,880
necessarily be the greatest at reading

2098
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:42,720
people or

2099
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,160
they may not have that kind of like

2100
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,079
flair and panache in the way they

2101
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,760
present things and when they speak

2102
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:50,480
but if they say the right things and

2103
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:52,240
they sound sincere generally speaking

2104
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,920
that's going to have an impact on an npc

2105
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,599
or a person that they interact with just

2106
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,119
like in real life

2107
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:59,200
absolutely you're preaching to the

2108
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,720
converted because i've mentioned this on

2109
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,920
previous episodes i've said that those

2110
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,240
boxes are

2111
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,640
are prominent they're there on the front

2112
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,680
the first front page taking up a good

2113
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,520
like 10

2114
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,200
of the space on that page it's it's

2115
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,280
almost like

2116
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,799
a fifth i if i actually did the

2117
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,720
measurements out i think it's quite a

2118
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:19,359
bit more than we think it is because

2119
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:21,119
we only really look at the the like left

2120
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:22,319
two thirds but then it's basically

2121
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,599
taking up the

2122
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:25,039
upper

2123
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:25,760
third of the right side of the character

2124
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:27,760
sheet

2125
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,079
right under the name and what they look

2126
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,520
like yeah it's a huge deal but you're

2127
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,599
absolutely right is that people never

2128
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,559
look at it and it's just a case of well

2129
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:39,119
i have to roll a d6 and it says that i

2130
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:41,119
hate money okay whatever i hate money i

2131
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:42,640
guess i put that down there and i never

2132
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,720
look at it again because

2133
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,359
exactly that doesn't make sense so yeah

2134
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,200
my final point i guess would be is that

2135
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:51,359
role playing's hard

2136
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:53,760
oh yeah to do it

2137
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:55,920
in any way that is successful and

2138
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,000
engages and enriching and makes

2139
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,680
everyone's fun it's it's it's hard

2140
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,119
there's so many

2141
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,440
micro

2142
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:04,559
transactions micro decisions that people

2143
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,119
have to make

2144
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:09,280
every moment a moment of

2145
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:10,880
every single word in like the intonation

2146
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,160
of every single word and should i speak

2147
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,599
now should i not speak now should i

2148
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,200
interject now should i not interject now

2149
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:16,079
do i know this does my character know

2150
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,960
this

2151
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,559
is

2152
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,640
is hard and

2153
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:22,000
absolutely to usual you know you're

2154
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,920
saying people only look at the surface

2155
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,240
level to use an in-game

2156
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,640
metaphor it's like casting detect

2157
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,319
thoughts but not probing that extra

2158
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,240
level deeper so when you cast attack

2159
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:34,559
thoughts you get a surface level read of

2160
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,079
the npc that says are they scared

2161
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:38,079
frightened happy what are they thinking

2162
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:40,000
about in that instant that time

2163
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:42,000
which is i think how a lot of people

2164
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,960
potentially role play it's that very

2165
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:48,480
much that instantaneous ah

2166
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,200
i'm mad so i'll kill this person i'm sad

2167
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,480
so

2168
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:56,079
i'll i'll kill this person

2169
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,920
i'm happy so i'll kill them

2170
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:59,599
whereas you know exactly detect thoughts

2171
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,200
you can you can choose to probe deeper

2172
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,599
and i think that

2173
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,839
bridging that gap probing deeper into

2174
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:08,240
internally i guess and being as you said

2175
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:10,480
being you know honest and sincere is is

2176
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,319
where the difficulty lies but that's the

2177
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,200
that's the that's that that's the meat

2178
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:17,520
and potatoes yeah and that's why i like

2179
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,520
dm'ing for newer players because

2180
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,679
seeing them identify that along their

2181
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,920
journey and having that

2182
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:26,000
discovery in the game itself and having

2183
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,640
that aha moment like of like wait a

2184
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,400
minute i'm not just this this dude's

2185
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,400
actually a person like or this is

2186
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,839
actually an entity that thinks a certain

2187
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,920
way because

2188
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:39,120
he did xyz

2189
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:41,040
and now he probably wouldn't do things

2190
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,799
the exact same way where he failed the

2191
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,159
last time like why would i lather rinse

2192
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:45,920
repeat what i just did that makes no

2193
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:47,440
sense and then they slowly develop it

2194
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,319
that's why i like to say like

2195
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:52,960
10 or 15 episodes of or 10 or 15 i say

2196
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:55,279
episodes 10 or 15 games um

2197
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,279
and generally speaking players tend to

2198
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:59,359
start to slowly they kind of like hit

2199
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,960
that breaking point of like

2200
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:03,120
all right i can break the traditional

2201
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,400
tropes now for you

2202
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,640
i'm gonna challenge you a little bit

2203
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,480
more now as a result

2204
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,239
which way do you lean and which way do

2205
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:11,920
you go do you lean into it or do you

2206
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:13,359
step back and if you step back that's

2207
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,239
not necessarily a bad thing you just

2208
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:16,480
have to do things a little bit

2209
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:17,759
differently in that standpoint than i

2210
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,480
would for somebody who's going to lean

2211
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:20,480
in

2212
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:22,080
and so you know i have those kinds of

2213
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:23,279
personalities in my games like i have

2214
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,799
some people who are really into it and

2215
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:27,279
then i have some people that like lean

2216
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:29,199
back and like love the um the nuts and

2217
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,799
bolts like pretzels and chips kind of

2218
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:32,400
start of the game so

2219
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:34,640
and it's kind of knowing and teasing

2220
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:36,319
those out and like what they value

2221
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,319
and figuring that out is what kind of

2222
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:40,000
helps you and is ultimately one of the

2223
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:42,480
biggest skills as a dungeon master is

2224
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,560
like being able to either groom it or

2225
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:45,920
see it and which way they end up going

2226
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,799
and which one they gravitate towards and

2227
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,839
being able to adapt as needed yeah i had

2228
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:51,759
a good example of what you just

2229
01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:54,400
mentioned quite recently of that player

2230
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:56,320
realization we were we were chatting on

2231
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,239
i am and i was telling him you know you

2232
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,920
guys maybe don't talk as much as an

2233
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:01,040
adventuring party might which is maybe

2234
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,320
why

2235
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,560
sometimes you you have a bit of

2236
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,199
stickiness a bit of friction with the

2237
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,800
other players as a cohesive unit maybe

2238
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:10,480
you're not quite there yet but you don't

2239
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,840
in my opinion don't maybe talk as much

2240
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:13,520
as you should and he said oh but you

2241
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,880
know we were all we're all from broken

2242
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,320
homes haven't we all got like killed

2243
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,280
family so we wouldn't feel like that and

2244
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,080
i said

2245
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,679
no

2246
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,800
that's not true

2247
01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:21,920
i said i don't want to spoil it for you

2248
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,440
but

2249
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,040
i think only you and one other player

2250
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:26,960
characters have that

2251
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,400
and i just left it silent and you could

2252
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,800
you could almost

2253
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,640
feel the clocks the uh the coke's

2254
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,040
turning in his brain yeah

2255
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,480
yeah and he went oh because then he put

2256
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,800
two and two together the the first

2257
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:40,880
comment of we don't talk enough and b me

2258
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,199
him just assuming that

2259
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,480
they're all from broken homes so i said

2260
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,080
that no they're not i can tell you

2261
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:48,080
because i know their back stories and

2262
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,600
it's not you know outside of the scope

2263
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,960
that you might know this already so

2264
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,640
they're not from broken homes you just

2265
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,000
haven't asked the question you just

2266
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,239
haven't said

2267
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,080
how are you doing where is your where do

2268
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:00,400
you hail from where's your home do you

2269
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,600
have a wife and kids at home and he was

2270
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,480
like oh god

2271
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,920
you're right i just totally assumed

2272
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:08,560
that because we were just looking at

2273
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,640
that surface level detail and that was

2274
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,719
that exact that precise moment of the

2275
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,199
pin dropping of

2276
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:17,760
right i understand now i can see where

2277
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:20,320
my own preconceptions and my own

2278
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:22,800
layers of bias have been layered in

2279
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:25,199
front of me and the character

2280
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,280
and now he's slowly starting to push his

2281
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:29,679
way through those layers to get closer

2282
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,400
to the character and really

2283
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:32,960
live

2284
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,239
in his shoes walking in his in his boots

2285
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,920
exactly

2286
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:38,560
cool all right then i think that pretty

2287
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,640
much is a really good point to bring us

2288
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,239
to a close on is there anything you want

2289
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,920
to you want to plug

2290
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:47,440
while you have the opportunity

2291
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:48,960
yeah sure so um in addition to um

2292
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:51,679
everything we kind of talked about i

2293
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:54,320
play the live game that we play in on

2294
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:58,080
the blue collar dm twitch channel does

2295
01:11:54,320 --> 01:12:00,000
air on at 8 30 p.m eastern standard time

2296
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,360
so for the folks across the waters it's

2297
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,760
probably gonna be in the middle of the

2298
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:06,640
night so i apologize but we air um at

2299
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,880
that point and then we actually put that

2300
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,640
game um edited down as far as like

2301
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,560
taking the breaks and shrinking them and

2302
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,640
leaving everything else uncut and

2303
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,560
putting that up on youtube the following

2304
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,159
sunday as well as in podcast format

2305
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,080
through anchor so it's on like spotify

2306
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:23,040
and google podca a bunch of other ones

2307
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:25,440
but um but it's there um then thursdays

2308
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,080
at 9pm eastern standard time unless

2309
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:29,440
craziness happens i am doing that dm

2310
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,360
stream where we do the homebrew

2311
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:33,440
evaluations as well as the monster

2312
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,840
breakdowns and some other tips of the

2313
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:38,159
week or whatever the case may be um i

2314
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,400
also am on all the socials all the all

2315
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:42,080
the buttons look up blue color dm on

2316
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,760
tick tock instagram

2317
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,199
all the fun ones you can think of and

2318
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,640
you'll probably get all the thing all

2319
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:49,520
the announcements that are coming out as

2320
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,880
well as um i run a daily dungeon master

2321
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,080
tip on

2322
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:56,080
youtube as a short form video as well as

2323
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,199
those are usually on tick tock prior to

2324
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,560
getting onto youtube so if you want to

2325
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:00,320
sneak peek of those tips you can check

2326
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:04,000
them out there

2327
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:05,760
the only other thing i have coming is um

2328
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,760
i'm currently in the works of taking

2329
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,920
that online campaign and bring it into

2330
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:13,440
world anvil for folks to take a look at

2331
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:16,159
as well as um offering basically general

2332
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:18,320
like dungeon master lessons to folks i

2333
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:20,239
do one-on-one coaching but i also and in

2334
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,800
the process of constructing kind of like

2335
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:24,400
a course i guess the best way to put it

2336
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,080
for folks that like are either jumping

2337
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,280
into the seat for the first time or want

2338
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,040
to look at things in a different

2339
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,640
perspective or just need a little bit

2340
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,080
more guidance on whether it be dungeon

2341
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,440
mastering game mastering probably geared

2342
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,280
more towards the

2343
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:36,719
overall like development of managing a

2344
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,920
table and stuff like that and like

2345
01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:39,840
understanding

2346
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,400
like how to create quest lines and

2347
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,080
stories and stuff like that and also

2348
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,760
improvisation and adapting the things

2349
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,960
that your players present so we're

2350
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,120
basically just trying to do a whole lot

2351
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,640
of stuff so that way folks that want to

2352
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,159
do that want to play the hobby or

2353
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,600
thinking about playing in the hobby or

2354
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:55,040
interested in the hobby

2355
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,400
we want to break down as many barriers

2356
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,840
for them as possible so that's kind of

2357
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,960
what we're all about and i'm trying to

2358
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,360
hopefully

2359
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:04,719
aid in that process of basically making

2360
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,239
dnd be something that's you know a

2361
01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:09,120
staple in pretty much everyone's home

2362
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:10,560
because it has so many benefits from

2363
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,080
just the things we talked about just

2364
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,840
from a camaraderie standpoint with your

2365
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,840
friends but also mentally and

2366
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,040
psychologically and holistically

2367
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,800
it's a great game and i want to make

2368
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,560
sure that like everyone

2369
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,320
who is interested and wants to have a

2370
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,600
crack at it has that opportunity and

2371
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,960
knows where to go

2372
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,800
awesome to everyone at home i do

2373
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:29,120
thoroughly recommend checking out his

2374
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,320
stuff um i do like the shorts you

2375
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,840
mentioned i was going to mention them if

2376
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,360
you didn't the

2377
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,520
the minute long ones because they're

2378
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,600
they're quite handy and it is you know a

2379
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,440
nice format just to have let me just

2380
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,760
blast this real quick and there's gonna

2381
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:43,360
be some nugget in there of something

2382
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,800
useful that just gets you thinking so

2383
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,320
yes i do recommend checking out howie's

2384
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,920
stuff so everyone at home thank you all

2385
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,719
for listening if you've got any thoughts

2386
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,520
or comments you can find me at download

2387
01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:55,850
underscore dnd on twitter otherwise

2388
01:14:53,520 --> 01:15:00,999
thank you and good night

2389
01:14:55,850 --> 01:15:00,999
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