Relationships

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welcome thinkers to season 3 episode 14

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of thinking critically today's episode

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is relationships

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today i'm joined by hunter royal

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thank you ever so much for joining us

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today hunter can you tell us a little

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bit about yourself

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well uh i have

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been playing d d since the latter years

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of second edition

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i

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cut my teeth been more or less a forever

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dm uh since third edition 3.5

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been through all the edition wars since

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while i do have a favorite that isn't

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my favorite is not uh fifth edition i

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love what fifth edition has done

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i could talk for hours on

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what i've learned about d and d

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i am the dm of a podcast live play in

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fifth edition

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for

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it's called asundered world it is set in

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the my uh

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my homebrew world of bueth it is the

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setting of the novel that i've published

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that i'm still in the process of trying

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to write the sequel for it's a setting

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that i have been

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trying to develop and get published for

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fifth edition

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pathfinder first and second edition

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couple other different uh mechanic

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systems

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for a little while

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and um the podcast kind of goes over

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more of the the past and the history of

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it that's we've got some patreon stuff

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that covers more of the the present and

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adventures and how things turn out from

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there

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i

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am a bit of a

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i

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i always feel i always feel awkward

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saying this but i am a bit of a

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renaissance man and that um

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because

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saying that just feels like i'm bragging

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um

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yeah if you do say so yourself yeah all

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right

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you know um but but yeah i'm a published

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author i have

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i i do have some artistic talent i'm

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actually doing some of the initial at

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least until i have the um

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i'm doing the basic artwork for

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the the setting book and hopefully i'll

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get you someone more professional when

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um i can

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you know get the money but

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i i currently work in healthcare as a

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nurse i have um

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i i've worked on automobiles before that

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so like my skills range all over the

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place so and i draw from all of that not

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only in my storytelling but in how i

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present my world and how i explain

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things and i like that's

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that's one of the reasons i chose our

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topic today to talk to you about

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thank you for that perfect segue

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i love it i love it when the guests do

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[Laughter]

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talking of today's topic it is

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relationships so what does that mean to

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you in the dnd and why identity rpg

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framework

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it's

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multi-tiered

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primarily what it means is the

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relationship between

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the the

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dm side or storyteller or gm or

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whatever you call it based on whatever

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game you're playing and the players

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because

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you have to have

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a good

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between those two settings in order for

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everybody to have fun

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but it's more than that it's how do your

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how do your player characters relate

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what are their relationships with the

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world itself that you're that you're

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telling i mean like are they

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truly the the main characters of the

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story are they just

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people that are interacting with the

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world you know it's

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if you're playing a fantasy game is it

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how does um

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you know what's the relationship of

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magic to the popular opinion what's the

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relationship of the gods of your world

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are not just their relationships with

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themselves but with the people that

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worship them

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it's what are the relationships of the

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races within said world

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you know um for some of the darker uh

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more uh you know the darker more modern

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settings like especially like in the

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white wolf world of darkness it's you

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know how do you

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play on the relationships between the

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the vampires in your in the the the your

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city under the masquerade how do you

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work with the relationships between the

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different werewolves in your pack etc

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etc and it's not just that but it's also

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relationships between the players and

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their care their own characters because

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of yeah

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you know they're going to be drawing on

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from their own experiences their own

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knowledge and putting that into their

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character and you know are

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are they meshing with their character do

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they have a good idea of what their

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character would do you know are they

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you know how well are they able to

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separate themselves and their knowledge

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from the character itself and what their

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character would do

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let's begin with that out of game well i

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say out of game it's a kind of related

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to the game but you know what i mean um

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out of universe relationships then i

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think that one you've just mentioned

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there between the player and the

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character is

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a really really really really good one

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can sometimes

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i feel like be overlooked

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maybe that's not the right term but

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there's always

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in terms of like dms guides and players

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guides there's always a lot of focus on

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other bits like making sure your turn is

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ready in combat and understand what your

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character abilities are and for the dn

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like don't railroad and you know so on

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and so on and all that kind of stuff but

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i think there's a lot to be said there

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that more it's the softer side of a

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player's relationship with their

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character like how they feel towards

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that character i've

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certainly know

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play i mean there's players in my game

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that

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can also can sometimes uh towards like

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almost animosity or resentment towards

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their own characters in in a certain way

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in certain times either because they're

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not happy with how they're playing or

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how that character the build is

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performing so i think there's a lot

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there that's kind of hidden away in the

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in the in the periphery and the details

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that often doesn't get a spotlight shown

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in it so

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how you know have you got any experience

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there in in those kind of subtle details

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or any kind of interesting anecdotes

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where

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that has you know come to light or been

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an issue you know i don't have any

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anecdotes that readily come to mind but

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there is that is something that i take

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an active role in trying to um

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you know trying to to avoid especially

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you know with

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figuring out

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especially with new characters you know

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what's the best way for them to

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get into the game learn things

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without feeling like

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they made bad choices and feeling like

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they're stuck

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one i

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generally um in my

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casual games i just

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if somebody's having problems with a

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with a character you know under

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most circumstances i am perfectly fine

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with them saying hey i'm just not having

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fun with this character

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can i

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retire them and move them and like as

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long as we haven't like

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cut off from the last session like right

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before boss fight or where you know

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you know something like that you know

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i'm like okay you know yeah let's go and

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work something out and what i do what i

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try to do is

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especially if i notice it one with

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somebody first creating a character and

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if they are if i notice i'm not having

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fun with the character what i will i try

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to talk to them about it i try to figure

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out you know what are their goals

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for their character idea

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especially with some of these characters

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there are a lot of concepts

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well let me back up a little bit it's

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that d is a game with rules

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and yes as the dm we have final

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arbitration over that we can you know

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throw rules out or change them as we

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will

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but the rules provide a kind of a

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structure so

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they become and the rules only have a

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limited framework for things within

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for things within the rules and how you

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can build a character

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now that obviously doesn't make it

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it only makes it theoretically open to

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every concept that you could have

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so you i have to talk with the players

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and like okay i want to make a rogue but

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instead of

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like i i want to have like this

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particular background or something

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that's not really covered by anything

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i kind of wanted him to be you know like

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this

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maybe they'll pick a character from

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popular culture that they want to kind

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of emulate that doesn't really fit the

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rogue class but it's the only one that

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kind of

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but it doesn't but it fits all the

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others even less

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so sometimes it's it's as easy as oh

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okay yeah that character is primarily

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rogue but with fighter levels so why

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don't you go and okay we're starting at

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level five anyway so make yourself a

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level three rogue with this

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this particular specialization and then

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throw in a couple levels of fighter

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to kind of add everything to it

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or it's like oh you want to play a

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like a character wants to play kind of a

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sun soul monk but they want to have more

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of a dragon ball z

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you know style to it okay well we can

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change instead of radiant damage we can

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just change your little

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uh key blast to force and then maybe we

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at later on we'll go and trade out

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this class ability for the ability for

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you to like spend a key point and then

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you get like 10 minutes of flight or

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whatever you know so that you know and

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that way that gives them you know

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that helps get your characters more

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involved one if they feel like they have

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more control over customizing the

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character and you know making that

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character theirs yeah then they have a

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stronger relationship with the character

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it also means that they feel it empowers

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them it makes them feel more in control

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and that way it also increases makes it

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a better relationship

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with you as the dm so that way when you

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do have to make the the hard decisions

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and like uh you can't really

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do that with this skill or you can do

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that but it's gonna be really difficult

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you know

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that way they're they're less likely to

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cause arguments it's more they're more

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likely to roll with it and try and find

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more creative ways it's that also gives

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you a better way to understand their

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character and help them

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find like even suggest creative ways of

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dealing with the situation

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that their characters may

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may have had something come to mind but

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they as a player might not because

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that's you know they're different people

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yeah that that last thing that you

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mentioned is incredibly difficult to uh

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to manage both from a player and a dm's

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perspective

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but that that kind of hand not hand

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holding but mentoring or guiding i

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suppose from the dm's point of view is

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like super important and it's a failing

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that i've had in the past i mentioned

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before on the show about a couple of my

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newer players building

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characters you know i offered my

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services but then they pretty much built

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them in in isolation to a certain extent

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and so i've you know i've got a druid

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player who had a very strong

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vision first time into d very strong

333
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vision like you were describing i kind

334
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of want to i want to

335
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this is the vision and theme i want for

336
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my character i guess a druid best fits

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that it was that way round which

338
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for from my personal point of view if i

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when i'm building characters a little

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bit cut for horse

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so that combined with

342
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you know learning the rules learning the

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framework learning the scope what is and

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isn't

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practical

346
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has led to a number of instances when

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he's

348
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quite clearly forlorn

349
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for for lack of a better term in terms

350
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of like i i've had to be like that thing

351
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doesn't really work that way

352
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for reasons that will take

353
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too long in the middle of the game to

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explain but

355
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needless to say you can't you can't just

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do that or you can't just do this or

357
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that doesn't really work that way but

358
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you can do it this way instead and those

359
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instances have caused

360
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never any friction and the guy you know

361
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we get along super well and stuff but

362
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there has been instances and that's kind

363
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of what i was alluding to earlier on

364
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where he's

365
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maybe i'm reading a bit too much between

366
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the lines but it did feel like in a set

367
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of certain

368
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cases he was getting a bit frustrated

369
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with this this character that he's built

370
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that isn't quite like living up to the

371
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expectation he had in his head which is

372
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difficult uh and in a way

373
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now that that player character has died

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uh

375
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is kind of good

376
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that he has an opportunity now to uh

377
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to build something from scratch again

378
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with all that you know three years worth

379
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of gaming knowledge behind him

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to build something that's

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a v 2.0 and should hopefully he should

382
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have a uh i mean it was already a good

383
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relationship so i don't want to say a

384
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better relationship but a more effective

385
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relationship shall we say yeah

386
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efficiency is is the i guess is a better

387
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um

388
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it does it i mean

389
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it's not really a bad thing to say the

390
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relationship is better um because that

391
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just means that okay you've recognized

392
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where the flaws were and you've worked

393
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to uh to overcome those difficulties and

394
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that's that's always a better thing um

395
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my background i forgot to mention my

396
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background particularly in nursing is

397
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mental health so this is kind of a

398
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um

399
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yeah so there's going to be a lot of um

400
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you know anybody who's been to therapy

401
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is going to occasionally

402
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recognize like you're saying things

403
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certain in a certain way um but it

404
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i mean there's

405
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the problem with

406
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like being a good dm is that

407
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most of it has to be self-taught because

408
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you can you can watch every

409
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youtube

410
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how-to guide on how to be a good dm or

411
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like the you know these are all the

412
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signs of a bad dm and like learn

413
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everything you can you can ask other dms

414
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for advice all the time but the thing is

415
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each game

416
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is its own

417
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separate thing and each batch of players

418
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are their own individual people

419
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and

420
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they don't always like even

421
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even from game to game like even if you

422
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have like the same group and you finish

423
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one campaign you start another

424
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like they're not necessarily going to be

425
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the exact same in that second campaign

426
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that they are in the first one

427
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so there's only so much you can learn

428
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most of it has to come from

429
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you know you actually experiencing

430
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being in the dm's chair and

431
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understanding

432
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you know learning to pick up the cues

433
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and figure out okay you know where do we

434
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go from here or you know

435
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a lot of times it's not just asking the

436
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question of hey is everybody having fun

437
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but knowing how to ask that question

438
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because indeed you know because

439
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sometimes like people will go and

440
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uh they'll go and you ask them and

441
00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:50,560
they're like well yeah overall i had fun

442
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but you know if you if

443
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sometimes like you can miss cues and

444
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yeah um you know and there are times

445
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when you think a relationship is good

446
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and it's not and you just

447
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it's not until it blows up in your face

448
00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,120
that suddenly you realize oh crap this

449
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is where i should have you know this is

450
00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,160
where i misstep this is where i should

451
00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,160
have changed things this is where i

452
00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,759
should have asked you know more in-depth

453
00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,199
questions or

454
00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,600
i think yeah i think

455
00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:18,639
well you put it really well and knowing

456
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,000
how to ask that question is

457
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incredibly difficult but incredibly

458
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useful and maybe this is more maybe the

459
00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,199
you know this is a cultural thing with

460
00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,959
us british being very polite but that is

461
00:16:27,199 --> 00:16:30,320
that happens a lot you know are you okay

462
00:16:28,959 --> 00:16:32,720
yeah i'm fine

463
00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,800
when inside that that person is not fine

464
00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,399
you know that isn't a dnd thing that's

465
00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,839
just a life thing

466
00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:39,680
certainly over here so it's very easy to

467
00:16:37,839 --> 00:16:41,920
do someone having fun yeah man that's

468
00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,360
fun you know i had fun you know they're

469
00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,560
thinking this guy spent a lot of time on

470
00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,399
it so let me

471
00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,160
you know just tell them it was fine

472
00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:50,720
even though maybe he wasn't having a lot

473
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:53,360
of fun uh so you know just just saying

474
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,600
are you having fun is can can not be

475
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,360
very effective in that

476
00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,800
well you're leading the witness a little

477
00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,639
bit because you're saying

478
00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:04,640
you're not what's it's a loaded question

479
00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:06,400
right yeah are you having fun well yeah

480
00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,360
because that's way easier than any other

481
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,640
answer

482
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,160
whereas at least the step in the right

483
00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,679
direction is you know

484
00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,839
how are you enjoying it i guess off the

485
00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:15,360
top of my head is maybe ever so slightly

486
00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,520
better but still has the same problems

487
00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:19,039
but yeah no i'm not about to solve that

488
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,919
off the top of my head now but no that

489
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is

490
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something that i've struggled with and

491
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even if

492
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even if all the answers are genuinely

493
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yes

494
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that self-doubt that impostor syndrome

495
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,400
is screaming at you they're lying

496
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yeah

497
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,679
then they're not having fun because he

498
00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,919
sneezed once when we were playing and

499
00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:40,480
only unhappy people would sneeze so

500
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i'm terrible

501
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,480
uh

502
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,919
yeah i

503
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:48,960
that's that's one thing that i have been

504
00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:51,360
super uh critical on myself with the the

505
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,400
podcast because

506
00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:55,520
with a casual game you know there's

507
00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,200
you can reach a point where like

508
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everybody's like uh yeah we're having

509
00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,360
fun but this just kinda isn't our thing

510
00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,080
and you can just toss the whole thing

511
00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,679
out and say like okay well this is a fun

512
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,280
idea but i guess it just doesn't work

513
00:18:05,679 --> 00:18:08,880
with this group or i'll have to table it

514
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,760
for later maybe i've got to like you

515
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,360
know

516
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we'll go and shelve it for now and see

517
00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:15,120
if i can like rework it to be better for

518
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,720
this group or whatever

519
00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:18,480
with the podcast

520
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,280
i can't do that

521
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,320
so

522
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the majority of my conversations with my

523
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,000
players have been

524
00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,720
trying to figure out where they want to

525
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,799
go with their characters being heavily

526
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,400
involved in

527
00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:34,960
trying to write

528
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,919
plot lines tailored to them

529
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,799
that

530
00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:41,360
really give them time to role play to

531
00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:42,720
explore what they're doing

532
00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,640
figure out more about their characters

533
00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,799
and their connection to the world

534
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,600
you know i want to go and get i try to

535
00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:51,360
keep them involved i give them input

536
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,720
currently

537
00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:57,360
we just finished up season 2 recording

538
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,679
and you know like i i want to you know

539
00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:01,760
the next season of course i want uh you

540
00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:03,280
know to focus more on a couple of

541
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,880
characters because there are two

542
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:09,039
characters that got

543
00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:11,679
a lot of screen time um in the this past

544
00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:13,919
season just because of how i built the

545
00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:15,440
plot lines to kind of like bring them

546
00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:16,559
you know bring the party into this

547
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,600
adventure

548
00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:20,559
and

549
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,320
like and the one before i kind of gave a

550
00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:24,000
lot of screen time to a couple of other

551
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,080
two because of how every you know how

552
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,520
they interacted with the world

553
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:31,200
and i want to build the next plot line

554
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,640
you know kind of like there were two

555
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,840
they were the final two characters

556
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,559
haven't really

557
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,400
gotten to have but so much interaction

558
00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:40,400
with the world haven't really you know

559
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,240
other than what they've you know what

560
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,520
i've tried to throw their way throughout

561
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,799
everything else

562
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,039
you know that they haven't really gotten

563
00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:49,360
much to really display like where their

564
00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:50,960
characters are what you know who and who

565
00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:53,520
their characters are

566
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:56,000
so i've been talking with them

567
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,520
and trying to figure out okay

568
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,799
where do you want to go with this what

569
00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,480
do you want to explore with your

570
00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:02,960
character is there anything in

571
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,480
particular about the world you want to

572
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,159
know about you want to do with your

573
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,919
characters or anything in particular

574
00:20:06,159 --> 00:20:09,200
like is there any kind of lore you want

575
00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:12,400
to explore

576
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,000
do you want to do geography you know

577
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,760
this that and the other just trying to

578
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,159
make sure that

579
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,480
they're not feeling left out

580
00:20:18,159 --> 00:20:22,159
that they are getting the same amount of

581
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,840
interaction with the world that

582
00:20:22,159 --> 00:20:25,760
everybody else is that they're not

583
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,400
having to make it up themselves that i'm

584
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,600
giving them as many prompts as everybody

585
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,039
else

586
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:35,520
and that has really been i feel has been

587
00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:37,919
a bigger test of my skills as a dm than

588
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,919
anything else because

589
00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:40,960
one it gives you having doing this it

590
00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:42,480
gives me

591
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,400
a lot of perspective

592
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,080
behind the scenes because i

593
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,480
before i decided to do this i had been

594
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,480
listening to a couple of different

595
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,840
live play podcasts

596
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,520
for a decent amount of chunk of time and

597
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,960
i i'm sitting there and i'm listening to

598
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,760
how

599
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,720
everything flows together and how like

600
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,480
all the characters work together and how

601
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,799
everybody kind of seems to sounds like

602
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,919
they're getting along and suddenly and

603
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:09,280
then

604
00:21:07,919 --> 00:21:11,440
you know when i start doing it myself

605
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,760
suddenly realize oh there's that's just

606
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,840
the tip of that iceberg there is so much

607
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,720
underneath that you know i just never

608
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,799
even

609
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,960
you know like i had an idea of what

610
00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,320
editing editing all the audio was going

611
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,600
to be like i didn't know what it was

612
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,280
going to be like until i actually

613
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,919
started mm-hmm

614
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,440
that that is a pain i know and and very

615
00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:31,280
recent because we've just had the

616
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,280
episode on editing funnily enough on the

617
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,000
show which talks all about the joys of

618
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,679
that particular issue there

619
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,200
starting from scratch as well i've been

620
00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:41,760
debating about listening to that one

621
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:44,000
because i was like is this going to just

622
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,400
is this going to cause some ptsd for me

623
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,080
or is this you know

624
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,799
so it's it's a funny anecdote we're

625
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,640
digressing uh for a second but um so

626
00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:54,080
obviously i produce and edit this and

627
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,280
it's

628
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,520
not too bad now it's two clean tracks

629
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,760
from you know my my solar audio guest

630
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,960
solar audio in isolation typically in a

631
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,400
a pretty decent space um not like an

632
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,360
aircraft hangar or

633
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,840
whatever

634
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:11,840
and i've learned a lot and do my effects

635
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,960
and improvements and post-production and

636
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:18,159
so on and so on um and then i

637
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:20,080
i also play in a podcast actual play but

638
00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:21,440
i very much do as little as possible

639
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,919
than that because

640
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,360
i'm like i just want to enjoy the fact

641
00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:26,559
that we're playing and

642
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,600
you guys can worry about the podcast

643
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:28,960
side of things because i have to worry

644
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,000
about that enough

645
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,000
as it is

646
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,159
um but then i thought hey like i've got

647
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,960
my fx chains set up i've got my you know

648
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:38,640
my my dw set up and whatnot so

649
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,200
the last episode i said hey before you

650
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,799
go and cut out all the garbage bits that

651
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,960
we don't want in in the episode and do

652
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:46,640
the actual cutting

653
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,320
you know onto the shop floor why don't

654
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,480
you hand it over to me and let me do a

655
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,240
quick pass and fill it with a couple of

656
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,559
the levels in the eq and whatnot and

657
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,559
then i got it and

658
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:58,880
this is such a classic example of like

659
00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:01,120
my naivety because i was like oh yeah

660
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,480
hang on you've got one because we're you

661
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:05,039
know it's it's all

662
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,120
homemade there's no any person

663
00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:10,080
there's no studio or whatever we have we

664
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:11,600
have one mic for the six of us in the

665
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,600
dude's kitchen

666
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,360
so uh music coming out the laptop

667
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:19,679
speaker somewhere so i was like oh yeah

668
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:21,760
this is way outside there's no i could

669
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:23,440
do nothing to clean up this audio i put

670
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,159
it you know i boosted the audio a little

671
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,640
bit

672
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:28,159
but uh you know leveled the uh the range

673
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,640
the audio range and then run it through

674
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:32,400
an eq but then i was like yeah actually

675
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,240
i'm just gonna leave this to you because

676
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,159
it's also six hours and there's no way

677
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,240
i'm going through that so

678
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:40,320
i just kind of pushed pushed that back

679
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,159
over to you uh as i barely put the

680
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,559
lightest of touches on it but i think it

681
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:46,159
did make a slight improvement but uh no

682
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:48,080
i'm i'm

683
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:49,520
you know going back to editing my show

684
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,279
i'm like oh this is this is my safe

685
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,679
space i know what i'm doing two tracks

686
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,440
nice and clean just to display calls no

687
00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:56,880
no messing around so anyway apologies to

688
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,600
that distraction but it was literally

689
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,760
happened yesterday so it's uh very

690
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,000
very fresh in your mind yeah yeah you

691
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,660
way way underestimated how dirty that

692
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,559
track would be

693
00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:07,919
[Laughter]

694
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:09,440
yeah well

695
00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:11,279
yeah that

696
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,480
getting back even bringing that back

697
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:13,919
into the relationships i mean that's

698
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,120
that's something that i've had to talk

699
00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:17,760
with um

700
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:19,360
some of the players about um

701
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,360
particularly there's

702
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:23,200
every so often there's you know somebody

703
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,320
that's still got some you know

704
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,600
there's something else that they're

705
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,360
trying to take care of during the

706
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,720
downtime in between their characters and

707
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,480
you know every so often i'm having to

708
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,039
like tell them hey can you can you mute

709
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,520
your mic uh i'm picking up typing or

710
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,360
yeah you know this that or the other

711
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,880
and also that's you know

712
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:41,360
if you got a decent relationship with

713
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,120
the people that you're working with then

714
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:45,360
that doesn't come across as too critical

715
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:47,679
every so often or something like that

716
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:50,480
but um i've been over like the the out

717
00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:52,000
of game and like the stuff like

718
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,919
between players players and characters

719
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,559
in the dm and everything but

720
00:24:53,919 --> 00:25:00,799
um one of the things that really also

721
00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:02,880
drew me to this topic was the fact of my

722
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,080
it's kind of the basis one of the the

723
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,520
basis

724
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:11,360
basis something like i don't know anyway

725
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:14,480
a big pop big part of the podcast uh is

726
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:15,840
that all of the characters are adopted

727
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,320
siblings

728
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,000
even though they come from a variety of

729
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,159
different races

730
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,760
which in the world that they're in

731
00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:27,679
mature at various different speeds

732
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,279
and that really

733
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:32,080
just i wanted to use that to kind of

734
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,279
like highlight how important it is

735
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,400
to do

736
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,840
a session zero or at least have

737
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,760
a discussion

738
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,480
with your players before you know you

739
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,159
actually start so they understand they

740
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,440
have an idea at least of how their

741
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:46,799
characters

742
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,400
interact with each other how they're

743
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:50,720
connected

744
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,240
our session zero which we among

745
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,559
ourselves we refer to as the lost

746
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,400
episode because we tried to record and

747
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:59,279
the audio software failed

748
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,559
um was them as children before they had

749
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,480
actually

750
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:04,960
gotten any before they'd actually become

751
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:09,039
adults and taken class levels and gone

752
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:11,279
off to you know do whatever and

753
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:13,120
it was them kind of it was literally for

754
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:15,520
them to establish

755
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:17,360
not only who their characters were

756
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,919
so that everybody else understood but

757
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,200
also establish how do they interact with

758
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:22,720
each other like

759
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,840
there was one character that from the

760
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:28,720
get-go was set up to be the big brother

761
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,760
because he comes from a the character

762
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,480
crosstrom uh comes from a

763
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,960
a homebrew race called the garaki which

764
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,559
are beings with earth elemental heritage

765
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,400
so any

766
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,240
they have an average lifespan of a

767
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,720
thousand years but it also takes them

768
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,919
about a hundred years or so to actually

769
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:50,960
reach physical maturity so

770
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:53,200
he's a character that is basically like

771
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,440
he is far older than any of the other

772
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,039
characters he's the one that basically

773
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,799
is you know on the on the cusp of

774
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:01,600
adulthood so he's obviously the

775
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:03,440
responsible one but with the others they

776
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,039
were kind of like

777
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,080
for the most part i think that we had a

778
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:09,760
dragonborn who was six years old we had

779
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,559
you know a couple a tiefling and an

780
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:15,440
asamar who you know were you know like

781
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:17,440
12 13. um there was

782
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,919
one character that had a and they they

783
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,640
mature slightly slower than humans so he

784
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:25,520
was like 15 but still

785
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,320
mentally the equivalent of like 11 12

786
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,039
years old you know so

787
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,640
it's figuring out like okay

788
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:35,440
which of these characters is responsible

789
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,880
which of these will generally be a good

790
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:41,039
kid but is easily led into pranks by

791
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,360
their by their siblings you know which

792
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:45,679
one is the one that instigates all of

793
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:48,720
said pranks you know trying to figure

794
00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:51,919
out you know what's going on

795
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,640
and it worked amazing

796
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:56,159
from my perspective because everybody

797
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,760
not only it gave them introduction to

798
00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:59,679
the world and how

799
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,840
everything was set up

800
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:04,240
but it also let them figure out okay

801
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,480
this is fun this is how we interact this

802
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,840
is the basis of how we're going to have

803
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,520
our adult characters fall in and re and

804
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,240
work with each other

805
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:17,120
you know because the with the premise of

806
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,440
the campaign was that their

807
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:23,520
adopted father got murdered

808
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,120
and just it was a robbery gone wrong and

809
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,120
that kind of

810
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:29,120
set the crack in their

811
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,120
cohesiveness as a family and then as

812
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,399
each one kind of reached

813
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,320
maturity

814
00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:36,399
then they kind of went off on their own

815
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,679
and became a player character and then

816
00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:40,480
the

817
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:42,960
podcast officially started with them

818
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,799
kind of all coming back home

819
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,480
after being tracked down by an old

820
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,919
childhood friend of theirs who had found

821
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,679
something in

822
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:52,000
her father's belongings that kind of

823
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:53,840
related to their adopted dad that she

824
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,919
felt they needed to

825
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,399
that they probably would want to know

826
00:28:55,919 --> 00:29:00,159
about yeah it's quite it's quite noir in

827
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:02,399
a way it's it's like you know someone

828
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:05,200
coming through the door of your

829
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:08,080
pi's office and being like i found

830
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,440
this you know smoking gun in this

831
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,520
person's office

832
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,039
and yeah and that actually that became

833
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,799
the impetus for

834
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:17,279
the the the whole

835
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:19,360
the campaign the the idea the premise is

836
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,760
that they have they actually

837
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,200
were locked in a temporal stasis for a

838
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,039
thousand years

839
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,960
and they basically

840
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,320
missed an entire cataclysm that

841
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,919
basically happened

842
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,399
minutes after they got locked into this

843
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:34,559
temporal stasis they kind of

844
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:37,600
changed the world from what they knew

845
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:39,039
into this entirely new one and you know

846
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,200
of course a thousand years have passed

847
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:42,880
all this knowledge that was commonplace

848
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,919
for them is now

849
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,480
considered either lost or so beyond the

850
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:51,679
understanding of people at the time that

851
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,039
they're at that it might as well be

852
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:56,480
unusable

853
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:57,840
so it's them trying to navigate okay

854
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,679
you know how do we

855
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,240
figure out

856
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:04,080
how to you know like what do we how does

857
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,399
our knowledge of the past relate to what

858
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,640
we're doing here yeah a lot of their

859
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:10,159
adventures come down to them having made

860
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,960
a kind of

861
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:14,880
a name for themselves as

862
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,360
you know having anytime there's

863
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,600
something new that you know they that

864
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,159
people can't figure out like eventually

865
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,240
they get contracted to come in and deal

866
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:25,840
with it because they've kind of got some

867
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,559
personal knowledge

868
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,919
it lets the not only that lets me use

869
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:32,159
that

870
00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:34,080
lets the pcs go and have

871
00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:36,559
some personal connection to everything

872
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,960
they've done like the most recent arc

873
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:42,399
of the podcast has been them

874
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:45,200
um basically dealing with

875
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:48,000
they got uh strangely enough they got

876
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,880
invitations to allow direct invitations

877
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,440
to allow them into these archmage

878
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,279
quarters at a university

879
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,120
that um the university survived the

880
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,960
cataclysm but all the archmages didn't

881
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,279
so there shouldn't be anybody alive to

882
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,919
actually send these invitations out

883
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,679
awesome so and it turns out that the

884
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:08,720
people that did survive and did it in

885
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:11,440
such a weird way um they actually were

886
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,440
deeply connected to these characters

887
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,039
just by chance so

888
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,880
that you know that was kind of a way

889
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,840
that let me work things out it lets me

890
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,919
put all these this ancient stuff um i

891
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,320
mentioned at the offset that i've got

892
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:27,519
that our patreon stuff includes like a

893
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,360
modern day setting and that one

894
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,960
that story line initially started as

895
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,720
bogus content that i would release

896
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,039
occasionally in between the normal

897
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,120
episodes before it moved to patreon but

898
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:40,640
the characters in that

899
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,679
setting are also related in one way or

900
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,559
another

901
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:44,960
to

902
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:47,200
the characters in the main storyline

903
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,159
like it's basically been established

904
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,799
among all like with all the players in

905
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:54,640
both storylines that the character emmet

906
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,080
from the side podcast

907
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,799
is a

908
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,440
direct descendant of the tiefling and

909
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:04,080
asamar characters oh

910
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,640
so he like he is a tiefling his brother

911
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,919
is an asamar and like his family doesn't

912
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,600
just they kind of roll with it they

913
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:11,679
don't know necessarily where this

914
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,159
heritage came from but then you know

915
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:17,120
sometimes asmr and tieflings just pop up

916
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:18,480
in human in human lineage yes so

917
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,080
you know they're just like okay well

918
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,799
it's got to be there somewhere well

919
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,120
that's where it comes from

920
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,720
um i gotta i gotta ask

921
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,320
and there is a reason why i'm asking

922
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,000
this um are you a fan of british sitcoms

923
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:36,320
at all

924
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:39,279
to an extent i was um i'm monty python

925
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,039
pretty uh solidif pretty much uh was my

926
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:43,440
formulative humor

927
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,919
that and a bit of black adder so okay

928
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,600
well very very strong in examples there

929
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:48,880
the only reason i ask is because you're

930
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,080
you're set up there of like being

931
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,159
trapped in

932
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,320
uh you know some temporal stasis is a

933
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:56,960
set up to a a british sitcom based off

934
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,320
series of books called red dwarf oh god

935
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,159
yeah yeah

936
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,679
there there are all these there are

937
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:03,760
these things that like i'm probably sure

938
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:05,679
probably pretty sure that that uh

939
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,120
influenced me at some point because i do

940
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:09,519
love i did

941
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,200
uh love red dwarf never got to watch the

942
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,679
whole series but you know i'm pretty

943
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,600
sure that has um some influence even if

944
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:17,039
i never really recognized it

945
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,080
that's great because that's such a that

946
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,519
was such a

947
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,760
seminal part of me

948
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:23,200
growing up i've seen them all a billion

949
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,200
times um

950
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,120
and yeah for those that don't know but

951
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,240
all my my british listeners now are

952
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,919
probably

953
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,399
cheering from the rooftops for such a

954
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:34,159
deep cut here but um

955
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:35,919
in that the main character guy called

956
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:37,919
lister he he

957
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:40,640
basically gets in trouble on this this

958
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:43,039
mining spaceship out in deep space

959
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,559
in the near-ish future

960
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:47,039
so much so they put them in their form

961
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:50,080
of prison which is stasis so you're like

962
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,799
literally in this temporal stasis

963
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,559
shortly after that an explosion happens

964
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,039
on the ship and like a radiation

965
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:59,279
explosion and wipes out all of the crew

966
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:00,880
so the computer ai keeps him in stasis

967
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,960
until the radiation levels are safe to

968
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,880
be released which happens to be

969
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,720
three million years into the future so

970
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,280
for him he's just stepped in

971
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,280
and stepped out and it's it's three

972
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,000
million years into the future he's maybe

973
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,560
the only human left alive because

974
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,639
there's miles away from earth and so on

975
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,200
and so on uh so yes that's as soon as

976
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,720
you said temporarily locked in stasis

977
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,240
and they've woken up a thousand years

978
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,440
later i was like

979
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:28,879
that is a fantastic idea uh and i'm

980
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,119
annoyed that i've never thought of it

981
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:31,119
either

982
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:35,599
yeah

983
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,280
oh uh yes it

984
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,359
i mean as much as i love it and now it's

985
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,399
gonna bother me because i'm sorry i'm

986
00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:42,000
sorry

987
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:45,839
i don't mean to diminish i don't mean to

988
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,800
diminish your like expertise at all uh

989
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:49,679
i'm

990
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,159
praising it oh no i mean it doesn't like

991
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,000
i i have i have long ago accepted that

992
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,399
there there is technically no such thing

993
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,520
as a as an original idea somebody's had

994
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:58,800
it somewhere

995
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,240
but it's just like oh man i can't

996
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,240
believe i never saw that connection

997
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,240
before

998
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,669
[Music]

999
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:13,760
[Music]

1000
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,880
that's that what you mentioned there

1001
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,560
that

1002
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,160
all the players in your

1003
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,400
campaign are

1004
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,560
adopted siblings and obviously that's

1005
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,720
quite a unique a usp an exciting point

1006
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,200
there in that there's there's obviously

1007
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,599
so much baggage as you've you've just

1008
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,640
nicely explained um do you would you

1009
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:33,200
encourage

1010
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,040
something similar for you know an

1011
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,079
off-the-shelf game or a pickup game of

1012
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,000
like

1013
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,920
having those pre-existing relationships

1014
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,680
between characters

1015
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:46,560
yes and no because um

1016
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,240
i mean sometimes it helps uh with

1017
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,920
especially new players helps them give a

1018
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,560
starting point for figuring out like how

1019
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,160
to role play yeah um especially if you

1020
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,800
like if

1021
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,520
you know every because everybody's got

1022
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,280
well i say everybody you know

1023
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,040
it's very common for somebody if they

1024
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,720
don't have siblings then they've got

1025
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,560
cousins or

1026
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,720
you know very close friends that they

1027
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,680
can just that they just have these off

1028
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,359
the cuff

1029
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,160
conversations with

1030
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:16,800
or they'll have in jokes or whatever and

1031
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,560
especially if it's somebody

1032
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,240
say in your group you've got a player

1033
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,560
that's been playing with you for a while

1034
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:24,880
and they're like oh yeah my

1035
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,880
yeah yeah my coworker that good friends

1036
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,480
of mine they've always wanted to play

1037
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,800
and you know we've got an opening

1038
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,040
because so and so had to leave um do you

1039
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,440
mind if they come in and try playing and

1040
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,680
then if you suggest as the dm you're

1041
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,200
like okay cool that's great um and you

1042
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,280
talk with them and say hey why don't you

1043
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,280
go and

1044
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,760
have it set up that your character is

1045
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,640
already a friend of

1046
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,800
this

1047
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,000
you know their real life friends

1048
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,359
character

1049
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,440
that way it gives them kind of a

1050
00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:55,359
starting point one it helps integrate

1051
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,720
them into the game also like why is this

1052
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:59,680
character even joining where did they

1053
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:01,680
come from but it also helps them

1054
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,680
get kind of a starting point as to how

1055
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,839
to interact with everybody

1056
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,480
because then they're like okay oh it's

1057
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:10,640
okay to kind of joke and

1058
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,240
come up with these wild stories and then

1059
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,400
they can talk with

1060
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,480
their you know then those two players

1061
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,160
can talk out of character and out of

1062
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,119
game and figure out like oh yeah maybe

1063
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,480
we've got

1064
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,560
they can come up with their own

1065
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,000
interpersonal stories that then they can

1066
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,839
bring to the game

1067
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,440
and it helps

1068
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:28,560
not just help you know make a

1069
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560
relationship between those two

1070
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,560
characters to kind of help with the role

1071
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,000
play make everything more fun help the

1072
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,480
other players kind of enjoy the

1073
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,440
interactions between them but it also

1074
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,960
helps establish a good relationship with

1075
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,359
the new player and the game because the

1076
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,119
it's learning the rules has been the

1077
00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:50,320
biggest problem

1078
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:52,240
um i've had with new players it's like

1079
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,200
it's they can learn they can do the role

1080
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,960
play

1081
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,640
or they can learn the rules and a lot of

1082
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,760
them have trouble doing both and it

1083
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,200
really sours the experience for them

1084
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,400
yeah both both halves kind of get

1085
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,599
diminished a little bit because they're

1086
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,119
suffering from the other half not being

1087
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:10,079
quite there yet

1088
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:11,920
yeah and and usually as using that that

1089
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,359
same example you know like

1090
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,079
as i said if

1091
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:17,599
you know people have um

1092
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:20,000
if they have siblings have cousins you

1093
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:21,599
know like that way you know it's using

1094
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,240
that hey if you want to go and make your

1095
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:26,560
characters connected already to you know

1096
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:28,880
go ahead and have them i've played in

1097
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,640
several campaigns in the past where all

1098
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,240
the all the player characters were

1099
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,119
related

1100
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:37,760
or multiples were related

1101
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:39,200
one in particular that i really remember

1102
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,359
distinctly

1103
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:45,599
that i just thought was uh

1104
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:47,680
it it's one that always that kept

1105
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,920
i i i it was a very funny one because it

1106
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,280
was also one where we threw the dm for a

1107
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,839
loop and if we didn't have a good

1108
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,440
relationship with him then

1109
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:56,880
and we're and we if we weren't willing

1110
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,320
to kind of go with whatever he threw at

1111
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,800
us we probably would have had to scrap

1112
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,680
the campaign

1113
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,520
but

1114
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,119
our characters

1115
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,760
one was human one was full elf and

1116
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:12,079
myself was half elf

1117
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,960
the elf was the oldest the

1118
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:17,599
human was the second oldest and i was

1119
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,560
the youngest and the thing was that

1120
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:23,200
my parents were the elf's mother and the

1121
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:26,320
human's father

1122
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,400
so we were all siblings and we kind of

1123
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,160
you know we had that dynamic where we

1124
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,359
were constantly arguing

1125
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,599
um but anytime somebody went to you know

1126
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:38,480
go after one of us the other two would

1127
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:40,640
then immediately jump on them

1128
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,119
and then because we had that dynamic we

1129
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,280
had already like we basically out of

1130
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:47,760
game had worked up all of these

1131
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,000
tag team strategies where we would all

1132
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,160
play off of each other's strengths which

1133
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,160
turned out to be devastatingly effective

1134
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,599
in combat and we ended up taking there

1135
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,800
was supposed to be this

1136
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:01,040
uh arc where this uh big bad

1137
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,040
it was like this werewolf with character

1138
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,720
levels was supposed to kidnap somebody

1139
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,680
and we the whole arc was supposed to be

1140
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:09,440
us like chasing them the guy down

1141
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,200
and fighting through all this to try and

1142
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,280
rescue the person and then removing the

1143
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,000
curse of lycanthropy from them

1144
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,400
and thanks to you know one some really

1145
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,240
lucky roles and these tactics and

1146
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,560
because we had made these tactics up

1147
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:24,800
because our characters were so connected

1148
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,800
we ended up killing this big bad guy

1149
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,319
that was should have been way out of our

1150
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
league

1151
00:40:28,319 --> 00:40:32,560
and the dm was like well that's a whole

1152
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,290
campaign i've gotta throw out so um yes

1153
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,440
what are we gonna do here

1154
00:40:34,290 --> 00:40:37,200
[Music]

1155
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,880
so as i said earlier i got my druid

1156
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,240
player he's you're rolling a character

1157
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,760
i've got another yeah another player

1158
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:44,400
every rolling one of their characters

1159
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,560
over the christmas holidays and um

1160
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,359
it's something i've encouraged both of

1161
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,000
them

1162
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:52,800
i've said like really do think like i've

1163
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,359
got i provide them a list a credits list

1164
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,960
of every npc they've ever met and

1165
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:59,280
what that you know what that person was

1166
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,880
doing shopona this that the other ship

1167
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,800
captain whatever it may be

1168
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,960
and i've said like take

1169
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,560
like every well the whole team refresh

1170
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,920
your memory on the session logs refresh

1171
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,839
memory of the npcs because then we'll

1172
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,280
come back fresh face to the new year but

1173
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:13,920
specifically for the two making a new

1174
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,599
character take a look through that mpc

1175
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,760
list and also bear in mind who you've

1176
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,359
still got in the party i would strongly

1177
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,200
encourage

1178
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:23,839
some

1179
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,599
relationships with some of those now i'm

1180
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:27,599
not saying like

1181
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:29,280
you're the wife of this person or you're

1182
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:31,599
the partner of this person you know

1183
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,440
something that strong not necessarily it

1184
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,119
can be a passing relationship like you

1185
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,960
worked together once in the past but i

1186
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,640
think even even something small like

1187
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,560
that can make a huge difference and it's

1188
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,480
something that a number of my

1189
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,760
i was this is a failing on my part again

1190
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,359
that a number of my players suffered

1191
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:50,079
with is no or very few ties to the world

1192
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:51,599
i think is really the crux of the matter

1193
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,440
so i've said them like

1194
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,880
just think about your ties to the world

1195
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,160
it doesn't have to be

1196
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,599
i'm one of the other player characters

1197
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,920
brothers it doesn't need to be that

1198
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,160
strong it just needs to be like

1199
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,160
i have a girlfriend back at home or i

1200
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,000
have a shop that i need to provide money

1201
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,160
for or i have

1202
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,680
whatever it may be that you know my

1203
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,520
uncle who lives up in the mountains i

1204
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,119
need to send him a care package every

1205
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,599
month like

1206
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,440
anything like that i i think

1207
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,160
any kind of pre-existing relationships

1208
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,560
is

1209
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,119
only a good thing

1210
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,440
not necessary but can be a very good

1211
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,359
thing i would say if you don't have them

1212
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,720
there needs to be quite a compelling

1213
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:31,599
reason

1214
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:33,359
why not that then

1215
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,720
should be enough juice for the dm to

1216
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:36,319
build something off of that compelling

1217
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,160
reason there should be enough me on the

1218
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:40,319
bones there to then spin it in a

1219
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,000
different way in interesting new ways

1220
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:44,079
during the course of the campaign but

1221
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,359
that would be that would be my my

1222
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,280
thoughts on it and as i said i've really

1223
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:49,119
encouraged you players to like

1224
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,640
guys you've got four weeks off

1225
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,480
review your notes review who you've

1226
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,560
spoken to what you've done and i'm more

1227
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,599
than happy to be like yes you can be his

1228
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,480
ex-bodyguard or you can be their

1229
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:02,240
former tailor i don't you know

1230
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,920
anything like that you know

1231
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:07,920
that's something that is is really um

1232
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,160
that's a really good way to do that it

1233
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,560
could be as simple as

1234
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,640
this is the baker that you buy pastries

1235
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,319
from every morning on your way to work

1236
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,240
yeah yeah like

1237
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:20,400
like there there's a there's a shop that

1238
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:23,119
i stop at um

1239
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,800
either to you know refuel my car but you

1240
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,400
know i frequently will stop on my way

1241
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,160
into work especially when i've got you

1242
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,760
know several shifts in a row that i've

1243
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,240
got to work so i'm like okay i'm gonna

1244
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,440
pick up just stock up on some snacks

1245
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:37,839
maybe buy a sandwich that i can have eat

1246
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,599
half of one night and half of the next

1247
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:41,839
night and then

1248
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:43,680
you know and like the the the people

1249
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:46,079
there know me

1250
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,560
we don't know each other's names but we

1251
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,599
know each other by you know by face we

1252
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,720
know

1253
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:54,880
they know generally what i buy i we know

1254
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:56,800
generally like what's going on in each

1255
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,960
other's lives just through small talk

1256
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,960
yes yeah you know you have that and if i

1257
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,560
don't see somebody or if i saw somebody

1258
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,319
like really

1259
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,680
looking like looking haggard i would

1260
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:07,760
notice i would know that there's

1261
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,960
something wrong going on there you know

1262
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,520
and that's

1263
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,520
you know and even having like that

1264
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,839
connection with that shopkeeper you know

1265
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,319
suddenly you can go and say like oh well

1266
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:19,920
i've been by there three days in a row

1267
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:22,400
and the shopkeeper and their shop is

1268
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,800
closed what's going on or you know it

1269
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,880
could be that you can use that as you

1270
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,040
know an adventure hook like hey

1271
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,520
you're part of an adventuring party

1272
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,200
you know my family out here is having

1273
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,520
problems you know

1274
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,280
is there any way i can hire you to go do

1275
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,960
that to go yeah you know check on them

1276
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,599
see what's going on

1277
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,560
you know it's not just to give it's you

1278
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:44,240
know

1279
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,200
it one it gives them role play

1280
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:48,720
opportunities two it gives you as the dm

1281
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,720
an opportunity to

1282
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:52,400
you know make the

1283
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,280
the the story that they're playing

1284
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,359
through personalized in a way that you

1285
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,880
know the big problem

1286
00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:02,640
with a lot of a lot of stories is not

1287
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,960
necessarily that

1288
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,079
the the story isn't fun it's finding a

1289
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,400
way to make the player care about the

1290
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:12,480
story yes yeah and

1291
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,119
if you can the easiest way to do that is

1292
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,280
of course make their character have a

1293
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,520
reason to care

1294
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,440
you know connecting the people to the

1295
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,280
the world in the podcast and i've

1296
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,359
already mentioned that in the main

1297
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,079
storyline the player characters are

1298
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:29,920
constantly being asked to look into this

1299
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:33,040
stuff that is kind of remnants from

1300
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,560
their time so it gives them a reason to

1301
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,119
care it gives them a reason to interact

1302
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,040
with these people not just to explore

1303
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,960
okay this is something this is a trip

1304
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,960
down memory lane for us but also it's a

1305
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,280
way for them to understand

1306
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,880
how the world's culture has changed

1307
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,040
since their time

1308
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,640
it lets them kind of

1309
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:54,640
it gives them a more personal idea of

1310
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,640
the lore because that way when they make

1311
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,280
lore checks about certain things it's

1312
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,440
not just what they know from that time

1313
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,480
but what their specific

1314
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,560
training and background let them know

1315
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,200
about these items

1316
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,200
yeah i i find it funny because like

1317
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,960
there's so many

1318
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,400
instances of things that people do every

1319
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,400
day in the real world like you've just

1320
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,480
described and somehow when it comes to

1321
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,079
the fantasy land that we all enjoy

1322
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,280
playing a lot of that stuff just goes

1323
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:24,000
out the window

1324
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:27,040
and my my second job was at a

1325
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,920
convenience store so a co-op in the uk

1326
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,319
and um like precisely like you said i

1327
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,240
would i would know hey you work in

1328
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:35,920
regular shifts so you work the same time

1329
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,760
every week so you get to know the same

1330
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,599
people that come in at those same times

1331
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,359
every week stuff and they live above the

1332
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,000
shop in the you know in the flats above

1333
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:45,599
the shop and um you do get to know them

1334
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,040
as you said and you do get to be like oh

1335
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:49,760
it's you got you know you're buying your

1336
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,000
oh you know no milk today you know

1337
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,880
um and one of the guys i was talking to

1338
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,560
him and

1339
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,720
long story short as he was in the career

1340
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,319
that i was looking to get into way back

1341
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,160
when and

1342
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:02,480
you know i eventually said like

1343
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,599
hey can you spend could you spare five

1344
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,359
minutes ten minutes talking about you

1345
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,640
know recommendations tips you know as a

1346
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:08,400
young person does trying to get into a

1347
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,880
new career and yeah we ended up going

1348
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,640
for a drink after work you know one day

1349
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,240
at the local pub just so he could talk

1350
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,319
me through that kind of stuff that stuff

1351
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,760
happens all the time and it's so organic

1352
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:19,280
and dynamic so

1353
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,319
there's no reason why that stuff can't

1354
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,280
happen in

1355
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:24,800
in

1356
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:26,400
your dnd camp gtrpg campaign and

1357
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,079
sometimes i feel like

1358
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,520
some players are a little bit you know

1359
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,200
scared of doing that stuff because i

1360
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,839
don't want to step on the dm's toes to

1361
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,160
be like oh maybe i will

1362
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:38,160
no as long as it's not like i know the

1363
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,400
king of the castle and all the guards as

1364
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,000
well are my best friends and we can

1365
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,440
never be arrested because they're my

1366
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,760
best friends like as long as it's not

1367
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,359
anything like that it's can it can only

1368
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,800
be a good thing

1369
00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:54,319
yeah i mean i've i've um uh in the main

1370
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,760
storyline i mean that they have i

1371
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:56,880
haven't had much to

1372
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,800
really

1373
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,400
get into it so far but i mean one of the

1374
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,200
main characters one of the characters in

1375
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,800
the main podcast actually has a kid he's

1376
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,680
um he he's

1377
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,160
he had basically a uh

1378
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,119
basically in in the world of our podcast

1379
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,960
dragonborn are extremely rare

1380
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:17,920
and the thing is is that he meets up

1381
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:21,599
with another dragonborn and they

1382
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,920
you know have a nice adult encounter

1383
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,839
and it turns out well like a kid comes

1384
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,720
from that and the

1385
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:30,559
yeah i basically posed it to the um and

1386
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,160
that was also well i posed it to the

1387
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,880
character it's like look you know you

1388
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,119
know anything from here that goes on

1389
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,359
that's going to be up to you and your

1390
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:41,200
character how you want that to go

1391
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:43,040
um how you want how involved you want to

1392
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,960
be in the kid's life do you want to like

1393
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,200
actually have like a

1394
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,000
established like some kind of

1395
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:53,200
continued relationship with the mother

1396
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,680
and it actually played a lot into um

1397
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,960
the the storyline because then it kind

1398
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,520
of explored some of you know the

1399
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,760
characters biological father

1400
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,440
and you know there's some plot elements

1401
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,040
in that that you know that if you want

1402
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,559
to hear about that you can go and listen

1403
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,480
to the podcast

1404
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,520
that's too much to delve into here but

1405
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,839
yeah it

1406
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,920
just even those small little things you

1407
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:17,040
know just

1408
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,800
there it's something that makes the

1409
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,200
world a little bit more

1410
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,119
involved makes it less than just some

1411
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,760
video game that you're picking up and

1412
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:27,599
more an actual involved story that

1413
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,640
you're taking part in

1414
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:33,280
yeah yeah absolutely absolutely and and

1415
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,680
from small seeds do mighty oaks grow as

1416
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,599
they say and uh yeah so even even from

1417
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,440
something that might seem

1418
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,640
inconsequential like this guy was my

1419
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,760
tailor

1420
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,359
for my high school prom you can spin

1421
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,880
if you're pardon the appropriate

1422
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:48,559
terminal you could spin anything out of

1423
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,880
that

1424
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:52,640
yeah there's always the memes online

1425
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,200
about like you know okay the character

1426
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,040
the dm has this idea like this is the

1427
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,119
plot the quest giver that you need to

1428
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,680
talk to and they just kind of give off a

1429
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:03,359
couple throwaway npcs and the the

1430
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,920
players want to go talk to bob and the

1431
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:07,520
goblin over there that the dm has no

1432
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,440
idea what this person is supposed to be

1433
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,720
but suddenly that's their favorite npc

1434
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,400
and now they're in love with it and

1435
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,720
you've got to figure out what what is

1436
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,359
this character

1437
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:20,160
um i i did have a question for you as

1438
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:21,839
okay to shift gears from

1439
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,960
in-game back to out of game actually for

1440
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:23,920
a second so

1441
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200
in

1442
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,119
your game

1443
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,480
are any of the players did they have

1444
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:31,280
pre-existing relationships are they

1445
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,599
friends family or are they is it random

1446
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,079
pickups or how was it for you

1447
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:38,640
so let's see um

1448
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:41,599
four of the players

1449
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,839
i did not know before i basically put

1450
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:46,559
out like a little casting call

1451
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:49,119
two of them i did know one i had known

1452
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:50,880
previously um it was kind of a mutual

1453
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:53,520
friend of a friend never we we never

1454
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,680
really played in any games together but

1455
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,119
we knew of each other we we had we knew

1456
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,119
who each other were

1457
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,880
and we had a decent friendly

1458
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,839
relationship with that

1459
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,640
the

1460
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:07,599
uh uk the player in the uk

1461
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:11,040
he and i hadn't had begun interacting in

1462
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:13,440
a dnd group because he very frequently

1463
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,760
posts uh you know just questions about

1464
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,400
character concepts and ideas and we

1465
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,720
would always have some very friendly

1466
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,559
debate and discussions about stuff like

1467
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,680
that so we were

1468
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,640
already had a decent working

1469
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,160
relationship um the rest of the the

1470
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,599
players

1471
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,599
as i said you know they were just

1472
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:33,040
complete strangers to me

1473
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:35,760
two of them

1474
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,599
were in a relate in a relationship okay

1475
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,760
that has since dissolved but of course

1476
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,599
they still remain friends and everything

1477
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,319
is okay that was you know that was it

1478
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:43,760
was

1479
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:45,920
yeah that

1480
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,240
so i mean yeah they they

1481
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,680
it was weird be that was also kind of

1482
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:51,280
like one of the things that really had

1483
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,040
me on edge when i first started out

1484
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,000
because these are people

1485
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,400
that

1486
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,559
don't know each other we don't you know

1487
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,760
it's not like we've interacted before

1488
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:01,440
and this is something we came up as a

1489
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,400
group this is basically them like at

1490
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,920
like you know answering a casting call

1491
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,280
that i put out

1492
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,000
and

1493
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,839
you know that was a big things like so

1494
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,920
it's the unknown it's it's kind of like

1495
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:16,800
starting dating somebody for the first

1496
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,960
time yeah you know okay i've got to put

1497
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,359
a lot of energy and input is it going to

1498
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,960
pay out is it something that i'm going

1499
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:25,599
to find out you know

1500
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:29,119
first date oh my gosh this is somebody

1501
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:30,640
who's a holocaust denier you know yeah

1502
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,960
or are we just not going to have any

1503
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,040
chemistry and it's not anything that's

1504
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,040
worth pursuing you know is it this is

1505
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:40,480
something that we can

1506
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:42,319
really keep going so yeah that was that

1507
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,319
was that was a big thing and over the

1508
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,040
year almost two years now that we've

1509
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:47,040
been

1510
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,440
working together it it's really

1511
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,520
blossomed into something pretty awesome

1512
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,400
from my perspective that's that's

1513
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,000
amazing to hear the reason i say it's

1514
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,079
extra interesting is because i've only

1515
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,240
ever played with people i have a

1516
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,119
pre-existing relationship with in some

1517
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,640
form

1518
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,400
or another i should tell a lie that

1519
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,480
there's one or two players i don't know

1520
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,079
but they are very much in

1521
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,760
uh very much friends with friends of a

1522
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:11,359
friend or something like that there's

1523
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,200
absolutely a pre-existing relationship

1524
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:15,520
it has never been a cold call it has

1525
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,640
never been anything like that and

1526
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,040
i i guess

1527
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,559
my my stupid question is like do you

1528
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,400
think one way is better do you think

1529
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:24,480
like a pre-existing relationship helps

1530
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,160
but it's it's a different experience i

1531
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,400
imagine no no one's better than the

1532
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,599
other it's just a different

1533
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,760
kind of experience a learning curve

1534
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:36,000
i don't know that i could really answer

1535
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,200
that question because

1536
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,200
i've done it both ways

1537
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,200
and i think that having a pre-existing

1538
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,560
relationship helps

1539
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,680
because then

1540
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,760
[Music]

1541
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,880
you kind of already have an idea of that

1542
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,119
person's

1543
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,839
quirks and

1544
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:55,440
and issues out of character so that it's

1545
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:58,960
easier for you to tell like okay they're

1546
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:01,119
not being a jerk this is just how they

1547
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,760
role play or

1548
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:05,359
or you know like okay this is you know

1549
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,800
this is just kind of how they word

1550
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:07,760
things

1551
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,000
and

1552
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,119
it's also easier to talk with somebody

1553
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,040
that you already have a pre-existing

1554
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:14,079
relationship with when there's some kind

1555
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,760
of

1556
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,440
some kind of discord going on in the

1557
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,960
group or

1558
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,640
any kind of weird

1559
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:24,400
uh conflicts in between the characters

1560
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,359
but

1561
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,960
given that uh but the thing is also from

1562
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:32,240
the other side is that um

1563
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,720
this has been

1564
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,079
this hobby is a great way to make new

1565
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:36,839
friends too

1566
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:40,480
yeah

1567
00:54:36,839 --> 00:54:42,640
so like going in with

1568
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,839
yeah it's scary to go out you know and

1569
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,599
play with a group of people that you've

1570
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:47,119
never played with or have somebody

1571
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,240
that's a complete stranger join in the

1572
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,040
group

1573
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,040
but

1574
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,599
it's still like something that can be

1575
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,440
very rewarding because new relationships

1576
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:57,839
can grow from that

1577
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,839
and the thing is like okay well

1578
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:01,520
maybe it's because when this per then

1579
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:03,839
you know somebody new joins the group it

1580
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,599
may be that the group you were in was

1581
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:06,400
kind of toxic but you know you didn't

1582
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:08,559
really

1583
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,920
either you didn't realize it or you were

1584
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,920
kind of like oh well this is the only

1585
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,599
thing in the area that's around

1586
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,920
you know they're yeah they're the only

1587
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:17,200
people i know that play d and d so you

1588
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,359
kind of put up with it and it's not

1589
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,440
until this new person joins and kind of

1590
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:24,240
you know maybe they join in and suddenly

1591
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,280
the way you you're able to see the dm

1592
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,599
react

1593
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,440
you know interact with somebody new

1594
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:31,440
that isn't their friend you realize okay

1595
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,480
hold on that's kind of

1596
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,480
awful

1597
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,000
or you know

1598
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,440
or you know maybe or suddenly you're

1599
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,880
like you you know the players that

1600
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,720
you're with they you know they're not

1601
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,880
really playing the kind of game that you

1602
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,799
enjoy but you still play with them

1603
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,400
because it's the only game you've got

1604
00:55:44,799 --> 00:55:48,640
and somebody else comes in that has a

1605
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,400
play style very close to yours

1606
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,240
and maybe through them they introduce

1607
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,640
you to more people

1608
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,440
or you know there's a lot of

1609
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,359
the

1610
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,520
the big problem i keep seeing with

1611
00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:01,119
people is that oh well you know i really

1612
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,359
want to learn how to play

1613
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:05,359
but i don't know anybody that plays or

1614
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:08,000
there's you know you know none of my

1615
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:09,359
friends want to do that i'm like well

1616
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,680
sometimes you have to go out and jump

1617
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:12,480
off the jump you know jump into the deep

1618
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,119
end

1619
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,200
you know find your local game store or

1620
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:19,920
you know play online with some people

1621
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,599
and you know you you never know

1622
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,000
what kind of friendships you can get

1623
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,520
what kind of um you know life

1624
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,960
experiences you can get from interacting

1625
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,839
with different people different walks of

1626
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,799
life

1627
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:31,760
i mean

1628
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:32,880
there are even the the games that i

1629
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,559
listen to

1630
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,640
online like some of the podcasts they

1631
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,680
also have people from multiple different

1632
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,079
countries

1633
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,520
that are you know all together

1634
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:43,200
talking to each other

1635
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,520
and playing in the same game and it's

1636
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,200
like you you never especially in this

1637
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,720
age of online

1638
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,480
interaction

1639
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,440
you can connect with so many different

1640
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,079
people

1641
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:56,480
through this common interest

1642
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:59,119
and it's it's an amazing tool you just

1643
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,119
have to be willing to go out and take

1644
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:03,119
the little bit of risks to build that

1645
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:05,599
new relationship

1646
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:06,799
well perfect so thank you for that

1647
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,799
it's

1648
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:11,359
absolutely true and now well

1649
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:12,400
as you were talking i was thinking like

1650
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:13,520
i did

1651
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,680
join

1652
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,079
one game where

1653
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,040
i only knew one person and all the rest

1654
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,240
were

1655
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,960
their friend close friends and

1656
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,720
colleagues we were playing in person so

1657
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,559
i had an inn it wasn't just as

1658
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,359
completely cold open but and they

1659
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:31,440
invited me to join and uh

1660
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:33,760
we turned i was the first one to turn up

1661
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,880
at the hosts and then the dm's house and

1662
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,040
i was like

1663
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,119
damn really wish the

1664
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,400
the social glue was here to smooth this

1665
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,599
out because now i'm just kind of like

1666
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,520
hey

1667
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:45,280
i'm in your home and

1668
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,760
you don't know me and i'm here to sit in

1669
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,720
your house and drink your drinks for

1670
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,359
uh six hours but uh now that is you know

1671
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,520
i still play with those guys to this day

1672
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:58,240
and um very close friends with them and

1673
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that was that was from nothing to

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00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,040
you know with talking about planning

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,440
holidays and stuff together so uh no

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00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,359
that's that's absolutely right and uh

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00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:08,480
very wholesome way to round out the

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00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:09,920
episode uh that is unless of course you

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00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,680
had anything specific that you wanted to

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00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,200
cover that we might not have

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00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:17,119
got to yet no i i think from from the

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00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,200
various ramblings i think we've covered

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00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:21,680
basically um

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:24,640
uh everything that i could talk about

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00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,640
that's pertinent

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00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,000
i don't think that that i mean yes but

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,920
also like i could i love talking about

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,960
this kind of stuff for days and you know

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00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,000
there's

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00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,680
we could talk about the you know the

1691
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,839
interesting dynamic between dms and

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,720
players and that kind of unique

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00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:42,240
relationship there you know frenemies to

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00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,119
a certain extent all that kind of stuff

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,880
so um there's definitely a lot more

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00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:50,240
there perhaps we're around two one day

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,480
we'll never we'll never know

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00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,760
but no so um

1699
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,960
is there a

1700
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,960
last part of the show is there anything

1701
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,599
you would like to promote

1702
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,319
uh well obviously of course promoting um

1703
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:03,599
my podcast a sundered world it can be

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00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:07,119
found

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00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:08,319
pretty much every major podcast platform

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00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:10,079
itunes

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00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:12,319
stitcher google

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00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:14,880
spotify

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00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:17,040
we do have a patreon i keep links to it

1710
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,200
in all the show notes of all my episodes

1711
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,920
the patreon is to go towards like the

1712
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,599
actual production of this

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00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,799
rpg setting

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00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:26,400
um

1715
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:28,240
you know i i release

1716
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:31,520
i'm actually behind but i release

1717
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,280
lorecast as part of the patreon

1718
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,680
there is the stump water tails which is

1719
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,640
our side podcast basically like our

1720
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,640
first

1721
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,880
um the first season of this of the stump

1722
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,720
water tails is also available as bonus

1723
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:45,520
content for on the main

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00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,119
line but then you also now that the

1725
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,200
that the rest of the episodes will be

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00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:53,280
available through patreon

1727
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:56,799
um i have a book that can be found

1728
00:59:53,280 --> 01:00:00,079
on amazon unbalanced scales is the

1729
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:03,440
is the title of it it is more lore about

1730
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:05,040
the earth it's it's set in that world

1731
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,760
it's about

1732
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,240
basically a group of mercenaries turned

1733
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,079
archaeology basically turned uh kind of

1734
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,079
indiana jones style treasure hunters

1735
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,960
they were contra they find stumble upon

1736
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,520
something

1737
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:21,040
get contracted by a collector to find

1738
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:23,200
the rest of the of a similar set and end

1739
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,040
up finding out that there's a lot more

1740
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,240
to this than they bargained for or ever

1741
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,559
wanted

1742
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:32,000
i also have a discord

1743
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:33,920
for not just fans of the show

1744
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,839
that is also for you know any

1745
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,319
like-minded people to come and discuss d

1746
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:41,920
d discuss the podcast discuss the world

1747
01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:44,559
of beuth um you know i run one shots

1748
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,760
there just to help new people or to help

1749
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:48,319
people like

1750
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:51,200
experience different tabletop rpgs

1751
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:53,599
outside of d d because sometimes people

1752
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,280
like the tabletop experience but d d

1753
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,280
isn't their thing they're a lot of

1754
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,520
different systems but then it also

1755
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,520
exposes them to different ideas and

1756
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,000
gives them hopefully gives them ideas

1757
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:06,480
for their own games and that's why i try

1758
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,000
to do this stuff thank you absolutely

1759
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,480
and likewise

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01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,720
as usual all the links to hunter's stuff

1761
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,119
will be in the episode description as

1762
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,760
usual so i would encourage you to check

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01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:19,040
it all out so all that's left to say is

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,240
thank you ever so much for joining us

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01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,319
today hunter

1766
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,559
thank you very much for having me on

1767
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:26,720
no problem at all thank you to everybody

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01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:29,520
for listening at home

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:31,760
uh for those who wish to click through

1770
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,480
as usual find me on all the socials

1771
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,680
including patreon and kofi uh

1772
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,599
otherwise

1773
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,599
thank you all for listening and good

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01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:41,200
night

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01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:42,400
and now it's time for the patreon shout

1776
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,200
outs

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,680
huge huge huge thank you to a great

1778
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,160
friend of the show matthew perkins who's

1779
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,640
out there making hilarious and

1780
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,520
educational dungeons and dragons content

1781
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,160
please go and check out his stuff at

1782
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,640
matthewperkins.net where you can find

1783
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,160
links to all of his socials and all of

1784
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,839
his content including his own patreon

1785
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,599
which i would very much encourage you to

1786
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:06,559
check out

1787
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:08,480
thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

1788
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:09,760
on twitter for supporting the show

1789
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,680
if you need support running your

1790
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,960
personal or business schedule head to

1791
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,640
virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

1792
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,720
make that difference between should do

1793
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,559
and done boss it better with support

1794
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,880
from cat who will help you get back that

1795
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:24,319
essential time you've been searching for

1796
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,240
if you would like to support what we do

1797
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:28,960
and get four shout outs a month head

1798
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,480
over to patreon.com thinking critically

1799
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:34,470
or you can just buy me a coffee at

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01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:41,470
kofi.com thinking critically

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01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:46,710
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