Mistakes

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hello and welcome to another episode of

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thinking critically a d and d discussion

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my name is danilo a d miscreant and i

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like all kinds of games and the

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crunching mechanics that make him tick

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the topic of today is

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mistakes

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and

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i'm joined by jamie mitchell one of my

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longest serving friends now turned dm

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confidante thank you for joining me

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today can you tell us a little bit about

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yourself

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yeah um

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as dan says long-term friends and uh it

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was actually him that got me into

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dungeons and dragons in a weird way

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because we had a one-on-one campaign at

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the very beginning but i really quickly

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realized the amount of scope that was in

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the game and

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from there i basically went from having

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about three games with

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dante

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right dming my own campaign so i didn't

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know what i was doing at all and then

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since then i've just been running run

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shots and dming and overarching

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several campaigns i ended up playing a

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lot of dungeons and dragons very quickly

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because i was someone who could dm or

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wood dm

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yeah same with me actually it ramped up

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from do i want to do this thing yeah

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let's give it a shot so oh that's every

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waking moment of my life now is consumed

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by a d d cool i remember that first game

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because we were sitting downstairs in my

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kitchen and we got a couple of pints

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from the microbrewery nearby my house

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and we were smashing those and that

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quickly started with the best intentions

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and then i think quickly

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it devolved hideously but then that the

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the kind of style of campaign and

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honestly a lot of my style of play is

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always going to evolve hideously pretty

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quickly anyway

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my my favorite anecdote from that is i

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think your first combat encounter was

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with three cats yeah yeah they took the

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[ __ ] out of me as well

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trying to trying to balance a one player

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combat at level one

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why why do i even bother doing that

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oh that's the heck that's a good mistake

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anyway um

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so thanks for joining again so what do

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you think of when you hear the word

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mistakes within the within the dnd

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framework

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so yeah i mean there's a lot there

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because it tends to be a game of happy

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accidents anyway because it's a

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collaborative project but it's a

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collaborative creative project

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other people's actions to you could

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quite easily look like mistakes but

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that's it it's all going to be the way

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those those things interact with each

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other that creates the game anyway

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um so

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mistakes initially one of the things is

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that

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it's going to be a game of lots of

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different mistakes that end up if you're

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doing it right you surf that

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and it makes sense in a cohesive

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narrative because life's lots of little

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accidents all over the place and it's

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that the way that you kind of interact

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with those that makes the thing

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also though there are just times when

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you like today uh when we were supposed

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to be recording this

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and i got a text from a friend saying i

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dm today and i said yeah that's no

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problem because i completely forgot we

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were supposed to be doing this and then

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uh

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didn't have to immediately text them

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back saying [ __ ] [ __ ] no sorry wait a

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second um and so there are some mistakes

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and one of the answers to him is

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apologize profusely in swear loads

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[Laughter]

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which is

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i think a rule of thumb for life in

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general

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could get you further than you think

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but it depends what you consider a

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mistake doesn't it within within the

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game whether it's a dm's mistake

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player's mistake

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are either gonna know

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yeah i think i

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what is made me super happy now is that

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i've come at this

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my notes are very

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two-dimensional and negative in that

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what a player mistake what constitutes a

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dm mistake so it's good to have you

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being like oh no it's actually a good

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thing and this is how we have a good

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time together so perfect that's check

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bingo podcast bingo check done one great

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i'm happy with

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why don't we start with player mistakes

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it's a lower lower hanging fruit so

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anyone who listens to the podcast and

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yourself will know that a particular bug

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bear of mine pun intended is that

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players

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not knowing the rules for their own

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characters

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so

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like there's there's a and literally the

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podcast just gone out i've said there's

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an onus on players to meet the dm

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halfway with their understanding of the

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rules and at least know what the hell

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they're meant to be doing or what the

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hell they can do

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but a

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mistake related to

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other players i see do and i've done it

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myself in the past is not understanding

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the spells or features they might know

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what they are but they don't know

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really what the impact is or what they

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can do that's where you get a good rules

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lawyer at your table

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and i think the more invested people get

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in the game

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the more that stuff seems to even itself

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out because i mean a lot of my times my

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players will pick each other up on stuff

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i'm quite lucky and i don't tend

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don't tend to have to know exactly all

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of the ins and outs of each of the

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characters because generally they're

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pretty good at saying uh if they know

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that something is being misused or about

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to be misused and i haven't picked it up

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but i mean that's down to your table i

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would say putting the onus on the

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players to know what they're doing so

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they don't just make ridiculous mistakes

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like

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repeatedly fireballing the party or

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something like that yeah that sounds

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dreamy that situation that you're in a

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lot of the time at the moment i'm having

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to

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double check and make sure prerequisites

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have been met and you know is there an

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enemy adjacent to that ally or are you

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already concentrating on something else

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is a classic one so there's

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there's many times when i've not said no

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i've done the yes but

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but the but in that instance is so big

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that it may as well be a no

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yeah so it's like yes you can cast that

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super powerful spell but your other

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super powerful spell is going to drop

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well then the answer is no i don't want

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to waste two spell slots maybe yeah or

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also things like you know hunger of

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hadar which

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i've i've had way back when when

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someone's just blamed that in the middle

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of combat and then all the frontline

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melee people like

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could you not yeah

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well i can't see anything now so yeah

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neither can the enemies but i mean the

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thing is yeah that is a a mistake

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absolutely

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in one way

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brilliant opportunity as a dm

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you can't note

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slaughter the party and they're only

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going to do that kind of thing once

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yes yeah it didn't it didn't help the

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players in that instance let me put it

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like that and a really quite egregious

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and recent example is a player used a

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flaming sphere which is a five foot fire

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orb that has a five foot area of effect

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around it and if anyone ends their turn

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within five foot they take 2d6 fire

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damage he brought that into existence

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pretty much on top of a fallen

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player

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who obviously can't move out of the way

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and so just immediately took 2d6 fire

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damage therefore lost the death saving

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throw and i didn't pull any punches on

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that i just said okay he's within 5 foot

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player character x take your damage

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and everyone was like

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just in a second

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you could just see across the six

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players like everybody's expressions are

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just like oh

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[ __ ] yeah don't do that don't do that

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again did you take it because it was a

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declared action then it was done and it

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was down

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yeah he summoned it and um when we got

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to the down players turn the caster

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hadn't moved it so

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that's it right yeah you know he said um

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he thought it was just within five foot

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of the sphere itself but then that

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wasn't the first time it was cast and

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we're quite experienced at this point so

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uh my my general rule is now if you say

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it it's done

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and in that instance it was yeah yeah i

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know that's fair i think it comes

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depends on how much do you use visually

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it's quite a lot when you're playing

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since moving to remotely yeah yeah

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pretty much every combat encounter is is

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on a virtual tabletop right

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if that's what you mean in terms of like

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visual aids yes pulling in

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random spells out of the 500 spells

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available to represent them on the pitch

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looks a bit weird sometimes

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maybe it just looks like a squiggly red

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line but

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yeah no this is what i mean though if

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you've got a reasonable amount of um

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visual aid and i think it's provided the

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players know what's going on

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that's that's the important thing if

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they're like

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if they're making mistakes

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when they are

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kind of they're aware of the situation

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if there's something like well i didn't

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realize that was there

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then then in that case that's something

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that comes back on the person sitting

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and narrating the scene if it's just

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people taking their eye off their ball

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mid combat and accidentally flaming a

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mate then yeah that's again a kind of

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mistake that you're you're rogue in your

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barbarian are only going to let it slide

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once really in there yeah exactly yeah i

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used to be a big proponent of theory of

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the mind combat but then literally as

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soon as they get maybe like level five

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and the combat encounters themselves get

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a lot more complicated half the combat

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is just the players going yeah but

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hang on i've got one 20 foot away i'm on

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30 foot away yeah well maybe it doesn't

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matter just

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hit someone please and moving to a vtt

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did basically remove all of that

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ambiguity so again yeah like you said

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the mistakes are pretty much only one

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way at that point yeah i think the um

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theater of the mind thing it kind of

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opens out massively for the dm but it

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can make it quite hard for the players

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especially as you say as you get kind of

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later on one way it is fantastic if you

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just smash and grab d and d where you

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just

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you just don't have the bits and pieces

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with you but it means that you can just

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start playing pretty much wherever you

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don't have to have the setup that's

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where that does massively boost but and

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it also does mean that you can kind of

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fudge mistakes a little easier yes if

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you're if you're being generous or

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otherwise if your monsters are getting

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pasted

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you can just slightly warp the map in

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your mind and who's gonna know it's like

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fudging dice rolls isn't it it is

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perfectly possible to oh it's a lot more

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possible as a dm to do that with theater

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of the mind than it is for you to just

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suddenly point out the window and then

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shuffle things around on a map

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yeah yeah like aoe effects and stuff

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it's way easier to be like oh okay no

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you guys didn't know but you were all

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standing in a foot cone yeah that's like

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a pretty bad example but you know what i

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mean his aoe of 40 foot radius can get

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you all oh i didn't realize you were

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that close well the enemies are only 30

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foot apart so yeah it's it is a lot

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easier to to kind of roll smooth over

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the cracks it's because a lot of it's

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quick and dirty maths isn't it when

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you're doing the theor of the mind yeah

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it is that quick and dirty math to get

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the general idea over because you're

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trying to keep things quick

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yeah i did quite like the elegance

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almost in a way of especially like level

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three when it is more of a basic

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straight line combat of partier hitting

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party b until one of them dies it was

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quite simple of okay well in my head

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that knoll is going to hit that player

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that no one's going to hit that player

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and that one always going to hit that

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player who's hitting back fine it's

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quite quite nice quite simple quite easy

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the other novels are over there the

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other players are over there in my head

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and it's done whereas as soon as you

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bring it on to

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what is essentially a grid of rulers

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then it's it's a lot more like yeah but

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how many foot 23 foot

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it becomes a lot more tactical

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it takes back on that kind of war game

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element

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which you don't get so much as theatre

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of the mind that's where and it's also

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where you can fudge things with rule of

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call a lot more in theater of the mind

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actually in some ways but if you can get

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very very tactical as soon as you go

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down to that map and it is

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it's more unforgiving in a lot of ways

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yeah i think i found myself being

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unforgiving not just from the map but

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also me as a dm because things are so

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clear that is a five foot radius the

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flaming sphere for example i was like

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okay well you you've put it there like

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maybe if we were in the theater of the

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mind the benefit of that would have just

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been like okay fine it wasn't there move

358
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on anyway but because it was so

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blatantly obvious in front of me i was

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like well i've got no

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recourse other than to say

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he's

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he's gonna [ __ ] die this is what has

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happened i'm assuming so yeah did they

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did he carry on death saving did he sort

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himself out in the end did his party

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members heal him

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do party members heal each other

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a few and far between they've only

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really got two out of six and only one

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of those is kind of specked in that

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direction so he's often got his hands

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full with people doing weird and wacky

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[ __ ] like this

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i think in that instance he got healing

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worded so jump back up onto his feet and

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yeah needless to say that probably won't

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happen again anytime soon nope

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another

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mistake i found of the players and when

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i was writing these notes it was kind of

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hard to draw a line between what would

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be constituted mistakes of the players

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and what would be constituted mistakes

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of the player characters and one that

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would be good to get your thoughts on is

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one i wrote down

388
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i won't tell you where on what side i

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put it down because i don't want to

390
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leave the witness but it was a mistake

391
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of not preparing for adventure and it's

392
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something i've done quite frequently

393
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as a player playing a player character

394
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is you know all these guys are meant to

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be

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adventurous relatively seasoned to a

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certain extent even at level one you

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kind of know what you're getting

399
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yourself in for you're slightly above

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the average yeah yeah you're all

401
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implicitly there to be on an adventure

402
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even still the amount of times parties

403
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have just left town without any health

404
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potions or left town without actually

405
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taking a long rest or other things like

406
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that and they hit their first combat

407
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encounter and go i really wish i had a

408
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suite of potions right now

409
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see i tend not to have that problem so

410
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much

411
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because

412
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i scare the hell out of my players a lot

413
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of the time

414
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from level one they were scared shitless

415
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generally because

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i mean part of that did

417
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you know it fell back to a mistake where

418
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i it was just my second session that i

419
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was playing we were all imbibing quite a

420
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lot it was a player who had missed the

421
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first session's first session

422
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so i'd had miss one in the first session

423
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they came in on the second session we

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all got drunk and

425
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by the end of it

426
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i'd done a bunch of plot expo because i

427
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had no idea how long d and d was

428
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supposed to take at this stage right i'd

429
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had one really good intro in a tavern

430
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that was from session one

431
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and then we were doing this thing i got

432
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to the end of it and i was like well

433
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[ __ ] they've just zipped backwards and

434
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forwards across this supposedly deadly

435
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map incredibly easily

436
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just over the space of a few days and

437
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nothing's happened to them it was my

438
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first sense of travel at all in the game

439
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and so i was like ah so that thing that

440
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you saw the first time you see three of

441
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them

442
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basically and it was a goal that they'd

443
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faced in a pub which was quite a scary

444
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intro for three level ones

445
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three goals

446
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for

447
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four level ones

448
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is really deadly

449
00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,040
yeah for sure

450
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colossal mistake didn't know what i was

451
00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,040
doing but

452
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it the after it kind of they started

453
00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,440
one-shotting people and it looked as

454
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intimidating my players were quite

455
00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,399
nervous

456
00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,120
because it was like the dm's mad he

457
00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,120
thought he was doing

458
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he has no [ __ ] idea literally two

459
00:15:29,839 --> 00:15:32,480
seconds later i was like don't worry

460
00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:34,160
i've balanced this account it's not

461
00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,920
gonna one-shot you when they were facing

462
00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,160
some other random thing and it one shot

463
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at the druid straight away

464
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and so i think

465
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sometimes mistakes can work quite nicely

466
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in your favor because this means they

467
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they now

468
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they constantly prepare all the time

469
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so what what i'm hearing is that i need

470
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to punish my players more right

471
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understood if they're listening but

472
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randomly like really really randomly let

473
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them have like a few victories make them

474
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feel badass and all of a sudden then

475
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drop all hell on him

476
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following through on letting people make

477
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mistakes and somebody put it as a

478
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forgive language somebody put it if your

479
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players [ __ ] up let them [ __ ] up badly

480
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basically

481
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so

482
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one of my players

483
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made an error in judgment potentially

484
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or rped it really well or deliberately

485
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made my life a nightmare i don't think

486
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it was the last one but i think that was

487
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not intended to side effect

488
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but basically they'd just done a boss

489
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fight which had gone fairly well for

490
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them

491
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and

492
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in this room was a secret another boss

493
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okay

494
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well it could have been a boss it could

495
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not have ended up in a fight you know i

496
00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,519
tend to play it that if players want to

497
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avoid fighting they they can try at

498
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least yeah so by the end of the first

499
00:16:47,839 --> 00:16:52,079
boss fight

500
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their hex blade was feeble-minded

501
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the

502
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druid was on his last wild shape and was

503
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an eagle

504
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the ganassi rogue uh i think was jumping

505
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,160
around on top of the boss

506
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that the second boss the the one that

507
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they hadn't

508
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activated at that point

509
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and the ranger was fine right had taken

510
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,959
a few hit points but was fine

511
00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,039
they woke up the second boss

512
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immediately started fighting it

513
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which i mean it was an ability it looked

514
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[ __ ] scary yeah there was reason to

515
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be a feared

516
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,679
ah that was it there was also one npc

517
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there and a bag of holding the

518
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feeble-minded player was put into the

519
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bag of holding in order to transport

520
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them around

521
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it's lovely yeah essentially the ability

522
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fight started and

523
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the ganassi got enslaved she was taken

524
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over so essentially what you had

525
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is

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one

527
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pc that was currently available but

528
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because his party member had just

529
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dropped into the water with it the

530
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ability

531
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he dived in and went for it to try and

532
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solo it essentially 1v1 me scrub

533
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exactly like he was trying to this is

534
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level eight or something like that i

535
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,520
can't remember right yeah good luck yeah

536
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and so he had

537
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he was trying to get

538
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the uh other party member back out of

539
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the water

540
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but she was mind controlled so she was

541
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fighting him

542
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he went toe-to-toe with the ability

543
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got taken out on the first hit

544
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and at this stage

545
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you're in the water everything's

546
00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:28,559
up abolish creek with no kind of paddle

547
00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,799
what do you do i could have said the

548
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other hits him once and then climbs out

549
00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,840
of the water and does something else but

550
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at the same time this thing was pretty

551
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,400
angry so it just unloaded on him

552
00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:41,600
at that point

553
00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:44,160
the eagle flew off with the other mpc

554
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,000
and the feeble-minded person in a bag

555
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and i had a three-way split party with

556
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one of those ways being dead

557
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,960
now was that was that a mistake on the

558
00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,600
player's part or would his character

559
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,760
have blindly charged in heroically in

560
00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,520
order to try and do that thing

561
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,559
probably

562
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:06,320
is it lawful good or is it lawful stupid

563
00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,840
i don't know but it's an awesome story

564
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,480
isn't it because what happened then was

565
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:13,200
eventually there was reincarnation and

566
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:16,000
character arc coming back and

567
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,840
the way the party treated him wasn't

568
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,840
they went didn't disrespect him for what

569
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,880
he did but at the same time there was

570
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,320
that whole

571
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,160
that was really brave but really stupid

572
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,480
please don't ever try and rescue me like

573
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,600
that again

574
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,039
oh

575
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,440
it's cute that your guys want to rescue

576
00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:31,440
each other

577
00:19:31,679 --> 00:19:34,799
mine would sooner sacrifice each other

578
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,360
so

579
00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:39,600
for the greater good

580
00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:42,559
for someone's good

581
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,240
is that someone's good or someone's gold

582
00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,840
uh well a little bit column a little bit

583
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,720
of column b yeah

584
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,720
so often it is

585
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,919
i was gonna say it's a good

586
00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:56,240
segue um actually before we do that

587
00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:58,320
the one last comment i had and again

588
00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,559
this is a

589
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,919
what i like is that

590
00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,360
in your last description there we

591
00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:05,200
couldn't we couldn't work out whether it

592
00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:07,280
was a player or a player character thing

593
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,640
and that's good because it means that

594
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,960
they're kind of reaching the synergy in

595
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,880
the the venn diagrams uh the two circles

596
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,200
are overlapping which is which is great

597
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,240
but another problem i've had myself is

598
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,080
when i

599
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,720
think about playing a character and i

600
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:24,000
think about needing a rest mechanical

601
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,039
rest in the game i always try and be

602
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,400
good

603
00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:30,080
and not just rest after every fight like

604
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,000
oh i've taken a bit of damage [ __ ] it

605
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,440
sit down for an hour oh i've taken two

606
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,159
bits of damage right

607
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,799
bed roll comes out eight hours later

608
00:20:36,159 --> 00:20:40,559
so on and so on i think that

609
00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:43,679
for me personally i

610
00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:45,360
it's easy to overdo that too much and

611
00:20:43,679 --> 00:20:47,280
just but no i don't need to

612
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,880
i don't i'll push the i'll push the

613
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,480
limit i'll push the boundaries i don't

614
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,880
need to rest i don't need to rest i

615
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,400
don't need to rest just to almost it

616
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,240
again it's starting to stretch the

617
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,320
player character divide there that's

618
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,840
actually down low trying to bite off

619
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,919
more than he can chew and trying to be

620
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,280
subversive just for the sake of being

621
00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:04,480
subversive

622
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,640
yeah just coming up against a boss

623
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,559
running on fumes and being like ah

624
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,600
[ __ ] should've rested

625
00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:15,039
like the only thing that i'm playing as

626
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,880
at the moment is an elderly wizard so

627
00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,240
he wants to rest a lot

628
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,080
um

629
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,520
yeah i know he doesn't want to go very

630
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,120
far without sitting down for a little

631
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,480
bit he went because he can't walk that

632
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:26,080
far no mesh

633
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,240
but the

634
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,039
yeah that i haven't come up against

635
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,520
personally my party again when i'm

636
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,960
deemed they want to rest a lot

637
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,039
the thing that i've struggled with

638
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,440
actually there more because i've got

639
00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:41,280
dm'd a lot more than i played the thing

640
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,120
i struggled there is

641
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,960
poking them and making them and not

642
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,559
giving them that opportunity

643
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,559
yeah which is something i was going to

644
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:49,840
ask your opinion on something soon but

645
00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:51,440
i'll save that for

646
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,440
off the record

647
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,600
but i think that's that players are very

648
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,679
much drawn to it because

649
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,600
there doesn't seem to be a cost like

650
00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:02,000
casting a spell there's a cost there's a

651
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,760
spell slot okay fine buying a potion

652
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,080
does it cost it's gold

653
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,760
fine making an attack there's a cost

654
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,000
it's your action the price you pay to

655
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,080
hit somebody is your action taking a

656
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,960
rest rules is written in the book from a

657
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,679
player's perspective it's just sit down

658
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,840
and heal well that's like a free that's

659
00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:22,320
like 200 gold's worth of i mean

660
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,240
you're a hit dice expenditure true yep

661
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,840
there is that uh but for a long rest you

662
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,679
don't in fact you get your hit dice back

663
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,520
half your hit dice back for a long rest

664
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:31,440
and fully healed rules is written i

665
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,000
think there's the thing you've gotta

666
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,640
what one thing there actually is time

667
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,120
keeping because yes it's that having

668
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,440
that narrative backing to go like i mean

669
00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:43,120
you've been up for two hours no you're

670
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,400
probably not gonna go back to sleep

671
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:46,480
again you can't just go straight to

672
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,799
sleep again yeah yeah that's something i

673
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,799
do take a guilty pleasure actually it's

674
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:53,039
not it's not guilty i relish in taking

675
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:55,840
the pleasure of being like guys you woke

676
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:59,200
up two hours ago not one of you is ready

677
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,200
to go to sleep for eight hours

678
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:05,039
how how sweet are you

679
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,159
i think again it's remembering to use

680
00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:10,080
hit dice is a big thing and making sure

681
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:12,000
that players know that there's the

682
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,080
option of taking that hour of just

683
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,080
sitting down and doing something

684
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,840
how much do you let people do in that

685
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,159
hour is there

686
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,679
like a short rest yeah yeah

687
00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:23,120
well as much as they want i usually give

688
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:25,840
people the opportunity to say you know

689
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:27,360
you've got an hour now relatively quiet

690
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,039
if they're getting the hour for free

691
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,320
then do you want to talk about things

692
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:33,440
what do you do

693
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,360
you know they usually set traps or keep

694
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,600
watch maybe but other than that nothing

695
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:39,679
that i would consider strenuous yeah

696
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,440
yeah part of the thing good to do there

697
00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:44,640
is just make sure those little natural

698
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:47,679
breaks are woven into the story i'm

699
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:50,480
playing strat at the moment and we're

700
00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:52,480
traveling and to be honest i mean trials

701
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,760
supposed to be scary as hell anyway and

702
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,760
that kind of

703
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,520
bleak weary feeling to it so

704
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,360
when we're traveling there if we do get

705
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,039
in a fight then yeah we do try and take

706
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,240
an hour afterwards because we literally

707
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,520
don't know where the next friendly

708
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,520
territory is

709
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,460
i mean out of character i know for well

710
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,559
there isn't any

711
00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:12,960
[Laughter]

712
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,240
not near you yeah

713
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,080
yeah so

714
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,200
the short rest mechanic and the rest

715
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,960
mechanics i've not i have found them

716
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,960
being a problem but more with the eight

717
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,360
hours one and the thing is there you can

718
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:28,400
only have that one eight hours rest

719
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:30,799
per 24 hour period per day yeah so

720
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,880
there's that limitation on it it's

721
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:35,360
reminding people

722
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,520
that that is a limitation there

723
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:39,120
and you can you could add penalizations

724
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,799
to it because it's difficult especially

725
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:44,000
because you don't like sleep isn't that

726
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:46,880
clearly defined in raw no comparative to

727
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,720
just resting for eight hours like the

728
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,559
their relationship isn't really

729
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,400
kind of tucked in so the some of the

730
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:53,919
language around it is a little bit loose

731
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,200
which i think is part of the problem

732
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:57,120
there as well

733
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,590
so now our mistake is

734
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:01,520
mel's and crawford's

735
00:24:58,590 --> 00:25:03,760
[Laughter]

736
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,919
yeah yeah no it is and it is yeah it

737
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,200
leads to those well let me just sit down

738
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:09,360
for eight hours but one of the things i

739
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,080
put in my campaign primer

740
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,679
my cheat sheet for the setting is just

741
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,760
because you slack off for two days

742
00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:17,679
doesn't mean the universe is slacking

743
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,520
off for two days so if you

744
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:20,720
sort around and go and have a party for

745
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,840
a week because that's what the

746
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,120
characters want to do i was like yeah

747
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,360
it's fine and we can do that and i'd

748
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,360
love to make some crazy party mansion up

749
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:29,120
for you guys but there's still some

750
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,840
existential threat that is not in a

751
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:35,360
party mansion for a week here i mean

752
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,799
yeah i have had people wanting to pause

753
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,799
and take rest

754
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:41,200
when it's not been appropriate this is

755
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:43,200
when like yeah no i've had them trying

756
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,880
to literally long rest in the belly of

757
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,760
the beast so to speak right at the top

758
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,279
of a

759
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:51,039
hive full of chill run over by mad

760
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,159
but basically

761
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:54,480
there

762
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:56,880
you had one or two players saying can we

763
00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,159
rest i could really do the rest and then

764
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,919
you just had the others going no

765
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:04,080
no we can't

766
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:05,840
because we will die

767
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,120
and again just maintaining that level of

768
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,360
terror

769
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:12,559
yeah just

770
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,559
jamie's dm tip of the day

771
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:16,159
[Laughter]

772
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,200
no one should be happy everyone should

773
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:19,120
be scared

774
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,000
it works it means that when they do go

775
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,440
shopping they really enjoy shopping

776
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,320
that becomes a lot more stressful for

777
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,320
you as a dm though

778
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:32,480
yeah yeah perhaps you know every time i

779
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:35,120
allow a flame spear to give a death save

780
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:39,159
i go oh maybe i'm too harsh but then

781
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:39,159
thank you for being my

782
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,279
yeah ah excellent that's you just

783
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,880
unlocked a door of pain

784
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:51,679
for my players

785
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,600
and but i mean again something like that

786
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:54,960
it's about the effect though

787
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,960
so

788
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,640
you just start ramping up noises in the

789
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,600
dark you can shift your players along

790
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,600
there doesn't actually have to be

791
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,600
anything there yeah smoke and mirrors

792
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,360
provided you're not probably mapping it

793
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,360
out and they've calculated how many

794
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:10,000
specifically are in each corridor and

795
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:12,080
whatnot yes yeah which is means they're

796
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,200
not using primeval awareness or

797
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,960
because that's where you've got to be

798
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,039
quite hard it's when there's something

799
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,880
like that the ua version of primary

800
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:20,799
level awareness i think is

801
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,279
the most open

802
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:25,840
detect good and evil and and it's not at

803
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:28,480
specific numbers and

804
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,360
distance of your favored enemy of your

805
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:34,159
enemies so if you choose humanoid

806
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,679
then that can get a little irritating if

807
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:37,600
they're pinging how many bandits are in

808
00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:38,320
the next room

809
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,440
well

810
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,720
i mean the thing there is it doesn't

811
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840
tell you about the imps that they've got

812
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,880
waiting above the door and it doesn't

813
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,200
tell you about the walls that they've

814
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,960
got so again these you'd learn try and

815
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,279
teach them teach people not to rely on

816
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,120
that intel too much

817
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,559
yeah but you can also if it's something

818
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,399
like humanoids you can tend to just say

819
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,159
oh like there's people all around you

820
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:58,159
you can't see very much

821
00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:59,360
yeah yeah and always blinded by the

822
00:27:58,159 --> 00:28:01,039
noise

823
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:03,919
yeah which is what i use for kind of the

824
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:05,279
tech magic and stuff i say well yeah but

825
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:07,360
there's five people you're traveling

826
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:09,520
with that are just [ __ ] beacons of

827
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,240
arcane energy and it gets a little bit

828
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,080
hard to pinpoint a moat of energy four

829
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,920
rooms away because you've got a sorcerer

830
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,000
next to you that's just like

831
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,320
[Music]

832
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,360
sorry why are you looking at me funny

833
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,140
because you look like you're about to

834
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:26,320
[ __ ] explode

835
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:27,520
[Laughter]

836
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,600
so

837
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,440
we've talked about kind of player

838
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,600
mistakes or maybe not mistakes maybe

839
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,559
just misunderstandings that might lead

840
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,360
to jumping boards springboards for other

841
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:40,880
avenues of adventure let's let's get

842
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,559
into the the

843
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,159
the juicy bits that we're probably more

844
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:47,120
familiar with than we both like to admit

845
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:48,880
of dungeon master mistakes and

846
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,240
one thing you mentioned earlier on was

847
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,320
the encounters

848
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,480
the ghoul encounter of just like one hit

849
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,640
knockout of one of the players and i

850
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,039
think making encounters

851
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,760
fun is something that is

852
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:04,880
a insanely difficult to do well and

853
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,640
routinely and be therefore very easy to

854
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,120
make a mistake on you mean actually

855
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,559
setting up the encounter so like

856
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,480
calculating challenge rating and all

857
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:15,039
that kind of stuff do you mean yeah just

858
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,279
without experience i try to make

859
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:19,200
encounters medium medium or easy for a

860
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,200
bunch of new players which

861
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,480
turned out over the time and over other

862
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,559
things i've read and whatnot is that

863
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,399
basically everyone says easy don't even

864
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:28,000
bother because they're just worthless

865
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:29,360
even if you have 10 easy encounters the

866
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,840
players will probably just cake with all

867
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,159
of them medium is essentially easy hard

868
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,640
is essentially medium based on the rules

869
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:38,240
as written so there were some mistakes i

870
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,679
made there in

871
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,360
making encounters that were probably one

872
00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:43,200
level lower than they should have been

873
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,799
or if i'm having like four or five and a

874
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,640
couple of those might be medium

875
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,080
technically as rules as written and then

876
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,039
there'll be a couple of hard ones thrown

877
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,720
in but just trying to balance

878
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:55,840
it so that it's

879
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,559
fun and i know that cake walking can be

880
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,919
fun yeah it has its place i think the

881
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,919
thing is by the time they come to the

882
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:04,399
point where

883
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:07,200
admiral mooks is always the the answer

884
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:10,399
isn't it with um an encounter

885
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,080
to bump up the scaling is just so

886
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:13,919
bonkers especially if you're you know

887
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,080
three players or six players when you

888
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:19,600
get into the modifiers of times it by

889
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,760
0.5 or times it by 1.5 that it just it

890
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,440
just swings like adding one mook can

891
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,440
take something from

892
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,440
low end of medium to

893
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,039
the middle end of hard just by adding

894
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,039
one more mook just because it pushes the

895
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:33,600
multiplication into the next boundary

896
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:35,919
and as a new dm look at that being like

897
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,960
what is this gonna kill my players or is

898
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:39,520
this

899
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,520
not even gonna yeah the actual the thing

900
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,360
that i don't know if this was the second

901
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,440
one shotting or i don't know one of the

902
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,320
one shot it's one of the times that i

903
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,200
put some random creature it was a shadow

904
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:54,240
oh yeah at night in the woods when they

905
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:57,200
settled down so basically it had freedom

906
00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,000
to be invisible around them yep and then

907
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,880
would just wander in and murk people uh

908
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,120
they were level two at this point

909
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,120
maybe

910
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,480
i think the right cr technically

911
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,640
i think that's correct

912
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,519
let's bring that up yeah

913
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,720
uh

914
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:19,200
a single shadow is challenge rating half

915
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,559
but the problem with that is the stealth

916
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,399
drain and basically being invisible yep

917
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,480
is insane yeah

918
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:29,120
so yeah one one or two solid hits and

919
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,360
it'll go down oh uh no that's a lie

920
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,440
because they're also resistant to uh not

921
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,159
magical damage yes they are which at a

922
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,080
half challenge rating is horrific for a

923
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:41,039
player like and if you haven't just

924
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,799
given them magical weapons off the bat

925
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,760
even your wizard's gonna be struggling

926
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,519
to

927
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,360
maintain something on that for any

928
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,440
period of time

929
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,840
yeah i've used shadows before where they

930
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,960
did that hit and run of bonus action

931
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,919
hide attack bonus action hide attack so

932
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,760
they say oh

933
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:59,600
we just can't hit this thing well

934
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,919
there's maybe a brief window where you

935
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,919
you can and then it's basically down to

936
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:05,679
the wizard to really send it home but

937
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:07,360
for a half challenge rating yeah for a

938
00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:11,279
newbie dm putting that up and being like

939
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,279
oh that's an easy encounter fine

940
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,880
two players dead because they don't have

941
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,480
any strength anymore

942
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,640
yep whoops

943
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,760
perma-dead as well yeah

944
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,240
so

945
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,679
that was an interesting mistake

946
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,320
but then

947
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:28,480
i can't remember how that finally played

948
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,360
out but this is the thing about having

949
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,440
quite

950
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,919
loose hit point maximums and minimum

951
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,600
speed on monster and working that in

952
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:38,960
narratively as well so for example if

953
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,880
well those two walks didn't have the

954
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,960
same hit points no because there were

955
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,640
two different orcs that one's 30 years

956
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,640
younger than that one do you know i mean

957
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000
there's that yeah as a dm you've kind of

958
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,679
got to have the

959
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,799
the ability to just

960
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:54,559
narrative away those mistakes

961
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,840
um and provide you you've got player by

962
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:57,200
and then people will let you do it it's

963
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,720
amazing

964
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,919
yeah the things that you can just kind

965
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,880
of push through with

966
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:02,880
what

967
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,519
i like is when players point out

968
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,320
mistakes that you hadn't realized were

969
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:10,320
there but like okay problems that are

970
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,200
there that you hadn't realized i find

971
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,840
players can actually fill in gaps really

972
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,000
nicely if you ride you push the right

973
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,840
buttons and make them

974
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,039
invested and nervous about a situation

975
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,519
in the right way

976
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:25,919
then they'll actually cover your back or

977
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,519
can actually cover your back quite a lot

978
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:30,559
and that's even with the relatively

979
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:32,159
galaxy and seeming way that i play which

980
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,440
sounds like i'm constantly being really

981
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:37,279
nasty though it's not it's just provided

982
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,360
that they think there is a very high

983
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,799
chance of something going wrong

984
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,559
and then because there's that buy-in

985
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,159
they talk about it i mean this could be

986
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,679
just my table because i've got the same

987
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:47,200
group of people that i play with a lot

988
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:48,320
and so we know how each other played

989
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240
quite well

990
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,159
um there was a post in reddit recently

991
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,320
that was criticizing basically all the

992
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:56,640
published modules for being well

993
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,360
basically a bit crap in that they

994
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,360
like tpk machines and they rush players

995
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,919
through levels because they're all

996
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,840
designed to start at level one and

997
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:07,279
finish at decent enough level level 10.

998
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,040
so in the space of one book you're

999
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,399
taking players from one to ten and his

1000
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,159
comments are saying that it rushes

1001
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:14,000
through them and sometimes you'll get

1002
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,919
level ups at arbitrary points just for

1003
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,240
moving down a set of stairs

1004
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:20,639
thing you're now level four and that

1005
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:22,159
because of that combined with

1006
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,079
some of the encounters

1007
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,119
they're like tpk machines and it just

1008
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,520
assumes

1009
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,720
the books are implicit in that the dm

1010
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,079
should be saving the players if you ran

1011
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:34,159
it as it's written

1012
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:36,320
like a breath weapon for example with

1013
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,839
just one failed save and just knock down

1014
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,200
the entire party

1015
00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:40,639
but a

1016
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,079
counter point that someone else

1017
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,159
commented which is pretty much what

1018
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:46,879
you've just explained is that for

1019
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:49,520
cursive strat for an example

1020
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:52,000
all the low-level stuff is there to set

1021
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,000
that precedent of this oppressive

1022
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,119
atmosphere so that the players yeah are

1023
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,960
meant to be tpk susceptible if they make

1024
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,079
mistakes if they make stupid decisions

1025
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,359
because

1026
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,920
it's this

1027
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:06,240
oppressive world where you can just die

1028
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,920
and that may well be we where we've

1029
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,599
ended up last session i've been

1030
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,880
polymorphed into a snail and being

1031
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,960
carried off by

1032
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,320
something and while the rest of the rest

1033
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,359
of the party is not doing too well

1034
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,480
downstairs i snail yeah wow at least

1035
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:20,320
it's not a slug

1036
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,119
yeah yeah because it could be worse but

1037
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,119
it should be worse

1038
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:28,079
uh so i really like that you know yes

1039
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,359
they're probably tpk machines and yes

1040
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,599
they could probably do a bit of a better

1041
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:34,640
job at communicating

1042
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,480
certain things and yeah it's probably a

1043
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,320
crutch having to start at level one this

1044
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,079
probably restricts the design of

1045
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,839
adventures it's a bit of a shame like if

1046
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,839
you think about what adventures there

1047
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:45,760
could be if the books like these players

1048
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:47,040
start at level 10 but they don't make as

1049
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,400
much money because

1050
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,960
players want to start level one

1051
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,560
sometimes and newbies and also they were

1052
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,160
kind of running it through a few times

1053
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,119
weren't they and it's

1054
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,800
i just see i don't know because i've

1055
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:58,640
never played a published module so this

1056
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,839
is the thing about the mistakes and

1057
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:05,359
dming first thing i played twice with

1058
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:07,599
you and then started dming a campaign i

1059
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:09,680
had no idea on scaling you're saying

1060
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:11,760
that the the books rush people through

1061
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,160
that sounds like dreamy to me because

1062
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,920
it's three years on nearly from when i

1063
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,240
started the campaign i thought it was

1064
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,240
done in six months i thought that was it

1065
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:22,720
i was expecting them to go from one to

1066
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:24,480
twenty in six months job done that's it

1067
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:28,400
game over

1068
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,160
everybody wins as it was like it took

1069
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,839
them a month or so to convince them to

1070
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,440
go on the damn quest

1071
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:35,359
i think from what i remember at the

1072
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,440
beginning because

1073
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:39,760
because of that

1074
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,480
wanting to buy in and have that reality

1075
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,800
to

1076
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,240
yeah is this the right thing to do the

1077
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,079
weight of that

1078
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:48,079
so yeah i mean my first mistake was

1079
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:50,079
definitely massively underestimating the

1080
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:52,079
scale of what we were getting i was

1081
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:54,480
getting myself into with this

1082
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:56,079
and don't be wrong that's i'm glad

1083
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,440
because the amount of skimming that

1084
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:59,040
would have to have been done to get this

1085
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,599
stuff over and done within six months

1086
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,520
yeah would be shocking it's the amount

1087
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,920
of growth that there's been even within

1088
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:09,119
the characters and plot that's unfolded

1089
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,359
that i wouldn't have seen there

1090
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:13,440
it's when you put an npc in and people

1091
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:14,960
interact with it now a lot of the time

1092
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,560
there are a lot of npcs there that are

1093
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,040
just

1094
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,040
not very interesting people as is the

1095
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,119
nature of the world what happens if you

1096
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,440
accidentally put a funky little thing in

1097
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,480
there by mistake almost because you're

1098
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,160
just filling in the background

1099
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,200
the little mushroom man in the cage

1100
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,200
which is now a major plot point yep in

1101
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,200
my campaign

1102
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,880
it was kind of a mistake to put it in

1103
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,720
there it was an accidental thing that i

1104
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,880
chucked in but one of the clears really

1105
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:45,040
attached to it and there was there was

1106
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,640
just ways that that could unfold out and

1107
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,200
now it looks yeah built in and hard

1108
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,760
baked into the world wasn't the start

1109
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,119
and i did as soon as he went and started

1110
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,040
talking to it and bought it off the

1111
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,359
block i went oh [ __ ] that was a mistake

1112
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,359
wouldn't it

1113
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,359
turns out two years later when they he's

1114
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,700
become a prince of some mycelial colony

1115
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:11,639
no it's not

1116
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:11,639
[Music]

1117
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,400
what's nice and reassuring is that

1118
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,599
although

1119
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,599
so far we've made it sound like yours is

1120
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,960
some oppressive hellscape where

1121
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,240
everybody wants to kill themselves

1122
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,240
because it's so horrible we're minus

1123
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,000
some fairy land of oopsie i've hurt my

1124
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,599
friend and that's okay don't worry move

1125
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,160
along in reality they're actually two

1126
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:37,520
sides of the same coin and suffer from

1127
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,680
the same mistakes on our parts and

1128
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,599
exactly so very similar like my what i

1129
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,960
would consider the prologue to my

1130
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,839
campaign

1131
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,200
was

1132
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:48,960
probably about four months in of itself

1133
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,599
just the like this is what a piece of

1134
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,680
combat looks like and this is what some

1135
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:56,880
social interactions look like and here's

1136
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:59,839
a tiny little like a three-room dungeon

1137
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,560
that was linear apart from a trap but

1138
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:04,480
that in itself took forever

1139
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,880
and i have to keep saying like the game

1140
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,200
hasn't actually started yet guys

1141
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,520
you're still just in the prologue

1142
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,359
but can we level up yet i can't really

1143
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,400
because then the prologue is

1144
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:17,760
going to be too easy so um i think this

1145
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,599
is where

1146
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,079
i i set up

1147
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,440
the scenario at the beginning

1148
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,720
rough and roughly what my in-game

1149
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,880
scenario is

1150
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:30,160
and this is all this is what i did

1151
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,560
i wrote an entire kind of like a place

1152
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,720
and the storyline of roughly what

1153
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:38,240
happened there it was bouncing off of a

1154
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:40,400
druid backstory i made like one town and

1155
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,480
like a few people also like two towns i

1156
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,920
think i don't know some small amount and

1157
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,520
i suddenly realized i had this bloody

1158
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,640
great big map and nothing to go on it

1159
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,640
so

1160
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,880
at that point because they'd already

1161
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,240
started traveling across the map this is

1162
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,640
about session

1163
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:58,000
so early doors probably about four when

1164
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,720
they'd actually started properly

1165
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,520
trekking and

1166
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,560
that filling in of it and basically

1167
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,599
winging it

1168
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,359
has

1169
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,480
allowed for really nice organic

1170
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:10,640
development

1171
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,720
with buying and that like

1172
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:17,040
this um guy on great gm uh on youtube

1173
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,400
mentions giving letting players give you

1174
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,960
your ideas

1175
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,880
is brilliant because it gives them that

1176
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,240
feeling of buying and if they kind of

1177
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,599
thought something was coming do you know

1178
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,359
what i mean you take what they they

1179
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,960
suggest but i mean you blow it all out

1180
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:31,599
of proportion completely twist it and

1181
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:35,200
then stab them with it a couple of times

1182
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:37,359
but still that that um buy-in from that

1183
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,599
allowing players to fill in bits

1184
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:41,599
you need do you follow me

1185
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,440
yeah yeah i get it but what is

1186
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:46,560
disappointing to me is

1187
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:49,040
i am way too prideful or proud to let

1188
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,040
that happen

1189
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,160
no it's more a case of like

1190
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,800
this is a personal character there's a

1191
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,240
character flaw of danilo in that if

1192
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,599
someone thinks of something clever i'm

1193
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,760
more like

1194
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:04,480
you [ __ ] why are you cleverer than me

1195
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,160
i don't want to give them that

1196
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,560
which is which is on me that's that's a

1197
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,800
that's a human no but that's a wonderful

1198
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,040
chance to prove just how much cleverer

1199
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,920
than you are

1200
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,160
then

1201
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,200
you are than them in the if they create

1202
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,880
a an idea and then that idea

1203
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,960
they didn't see coming in that

1204
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,160
particular way

1205
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:29,839
how rigidly would you say your scenarios

1206
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,760
are prepped prior to going in sessions

1207
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:34,240
or scenarios

1208
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,400
arcs or singular sessions that's a good

1209
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:39,760
question singularly go singular sessions

1210
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,560
uh so that depends what i found oddly is

1211
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,000
that

1212
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:46,000
the dungeon part of dnds is actually a

1213
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,440
piece of piss because

1214
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,400
that's quite easy to set it up all at

1215
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,480
once and then that's like

1216
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,400
five to ten sessions worth of content

1217
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,560
yeah if i've got a dungeon ready

1218
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,000
which is great because then i have as

1219
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,240
i'm saying oh yeah i've got very little

1220
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,400
prep to do in between sessions because

1221
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,960
the dungeon's there it takes a bit of

1222
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,400
time but it's it's relatively easy to

1223
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,079
throw it down throw a few combat

1224
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,520
encounters in a few rooms make sure it's

1225
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,760
there's traps and so on and so on and

1226
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,520
yeah yeah and it fits narratively and

1227
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,160
then it's done so that's quite easy but

1228
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,800
then it's the bits in between when they

1229
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,880
are thinking about going somewhere the

1230
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,880
free thinking about doing something then

1231
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,400
then my session prep becomes

1232
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,800
a lot more how rigid am i um

1233
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,760
yes it's a collaborative story and yes

1234
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,760
the players are the the authors

1235
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,800
and yes i do want to run at some point a

1236
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,560
completely improvised couple of shots of

1237
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,720
of literally just going in

1238
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,119
completely blank of just

1239
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,440
the the characters and the races are

1240
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:47,280
randomized at the start everybody gets a

1241
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,800
random combination of a character race

1242
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,960
and the dm is is yet completely i was so

1243
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,040
so keen on that idea right up until the

1244
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,280
one time that i rolled my stats and then

1245
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,520
i was like nah standard is amazing

1246
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,760
standing around point by

1247
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,119
yeah i mean of the stats i might

1248
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,720
i don't know in for a penny and for a

1249
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:06,480
pound i might have to randomize them as

1250
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,720
well and then yeah the dm is just like

1251
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,720
okay

1252
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,960
you are prisoners on a spaceship

1253
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,200
and you just go you just go from there

1254
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,560
like completely random um

1255
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,400
so i mean that does sound like my

1256
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,400
campaigns i think my players might say

1257
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,400
so i do i do like that and do know

1258
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,480
that's a that's a thing and you know the

1259
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,800
players at the office however i think

1260
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,319
for it to be a compelling story with any

1261
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,200
length of weight

1262
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:35,040
there does need to be

1263
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,960
some kind of framework some kind of

1264
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,920
scaffolding so there does need to be

1265
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,440
like

1266
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,359
some level of

1267
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,720
linearity which i know everybody hates

1268
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:44,560
but then i've seen comments of people

1269
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,319
being like no that's that's not a

1270
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,160
garbage game you make up on the spot

1271
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,839
just because it's not on rails doesn't

1272
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,560
make it inherently good

1273
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:54,960
it's still garbage so in some ways i

1274
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,040
think a well well-developed framework or

1275
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,119
scaffolding that has

1276
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,440
doors you can open along the way

1277
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,800
maybe like that scene in the matrix

1278
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,640
where they're in that tunnel to get the

1279
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,240
keymaker or whatever and there's loads

1280
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,079
of doors down it and you can open it and

1281
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,880
it goes into some kind of crazy world

1282
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,480
yeah

1283
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,319
neo was still trying to get from one end

1284
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,839
of that corridor to the other

1285
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:16,880
i think that's quite a good metaphor of

1286
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:19,040
perhaps how i do it yes i mean this by

1287
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,880
nature is episodic isn't it because

1288
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,160
you've only got four hours to play a

1289
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,560
week on and even that's an episode

1290
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,319
so there's the

1291
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,160
for me i

1292
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:32,000
had a story

1293
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,880
and that story this is this is my

1294
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,640
beginning story they're stuck in an

1295
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,240
island so for this was the first thing i

1296
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,000
was like trap them because i heard i saw

1297
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,920
a pitfall coming already or what if your

1298
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,119
players don't want to join a party and

1299
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,800
go and do the thing that you want them

1300
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:47,680
to do so i was like no find trap and

1301
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,240
make them um necessity is the

1302
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,400
the mother of invention yeah and really

1303
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,720
helpful as a dm make your players need

1304
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,680
the thing they that you want them to do

1305
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,560
um

1306
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,560
but

1307
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,800
my plan was they're stuck in a place and

1308
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,920
they have to be three bosses in order to

1309
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,359
leave

1310
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,200
now i should say the players know this

1311
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:08,160
by this stage but the last bosses are so

1312
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:11,520
large so this gives you an idea of how

1313
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,480
not with it i was in terms of my scaling

1314
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,000
so

1315
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,079
i thought yeah you've got those beat

1316
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,520
those three bosses and then we we do

1317
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,760
whatever then there's either another

1318
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,760
campaign after it or whatnot but that

1319
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,680
level of kind of looseness

1320
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,119
and and that was on a map

1321
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,560
and i suddenly realized that to get

1322
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:28,400
between these things if i picked this

1323
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,079
place up as being dangerous

1324
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,400
then there was going to have to be a lot

1325
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,760
of filling done in there and so i think

1326
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,240
that's where the player led thing came

1327
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,079
from just out of necessity and i've got

1328
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,280
things that i drop in their way as they

1329
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:42,800
go along but then how people react to

1330
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,119
those things

1331
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,560
i think really drives that game because

1332
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,560
the thing that drew it to me when we

1333
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,319
started playing was how sandbox it was

1334
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,680
what do you want to do yeah and just

1335
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:53,040
even getting out of jail cell at the

1336
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,280
beginning was a bloody nightmare from

1337
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,520
what i remember

1338
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,240
but still that level of what do you want

1339
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,480
to do within this world that's coherent

1340
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,680
and makes sense yes yeah

1341
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,359
that means i can explain a lot of my

1342
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,200
mistakes away as happy accidents like i

1343
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:09,520
did at the start of the session yeah

1344
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,800
nice nice opening caveat there too right

1345
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,440
not my fault

1346
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,680
and it turns out great no it is my fault

1347
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:19,280
this is the point like it's totally my

1348
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,280
fault when it works out awesomely

1349
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,280
it's because i'm a laid-back dm

1350
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:28,160
not because i'm just frantically winging

1351
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,760
it yeah i'm a chill cool dude guys just

1352
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,880
just do what you want everything goes

1353
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,880
hey fellow beauties

1354
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:38,319
likewise i enjoyed and this is a point

1355
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:40,079
in my notes actually of a mistake that i

1356
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:41,520
continue to make but

1357
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:44,800
is it a mistake probably not because i

1358
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,319
enjoy doing it is over planning

1359
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,880
the long term

1360
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:51,040
and neglecting the micro so i enjoy

1361
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,040
doing the macro of and i don't mean

1362
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,880
macro of like there's this religion and

1363
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,119
there's these political fights and

1364
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,599
that's not too

1365
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:01,200
galvanizing for me what i more like

1366
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,400
thinking is oh

1367
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,040
that character said that in their

1368
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,640
backstory wouldn't that be cool if

1369
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,160
this tied in some way and this other

1370
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,000
thing tied in some way and maybe in a

1371
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,480
year they bump into this other person

1372
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,400
and oh it's a big reveal is that they

1373
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,400
were adopted or something weird that is

1374
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,480
enjoyable so i'll spend like two hours

1375
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,839
doing that and then go back how many

1376
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,760
kobolds are they gonna fight tomorrow

1377
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:23,359
down right here

1378
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,800
no i know exactly what you mean man i

1379
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:26,720
think this is

1380
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,800
this is something that i suffer from

1381
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,720
massively as well and that is the

1382
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,160
narrative side of it i know it didn't

1383
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,559
seem very much like it from the way i've

1384
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,800
described my campaign but my god you

1385
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:38,559
should read the backstories of the those

1386
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,920
three bosses they were absolutely

1387
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,359
fantastic

1388
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,359
it didn't matter that actually they

1389
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:45,760
won't be able to face any of those

1390
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:47,599
bosses for a number of levels yet and i

1391
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,640
had to find something to do with them

1392
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:53,119
between

1393
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,800
being born and fighting a necromancer

1394
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:57,599
there has to be some fill in there to

1395
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,559
get to that how do you do that

1396
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:01,119
so

1397
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:03,599
yeah no i totally agree and see the

1398
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:05,839
issue with that and what it is is then

1399
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:08,079
you put yourself important in

1400
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:10,480
quite an important distinction which is

1401
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:12,720
between world building which is the

1402
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,400
religion and the

1403
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:16,160
which is a mistake that you can easily

1404
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,400
make as a dm you can if you don't want

1405
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,559
to give your players literally two pages

1406
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,040
worth of world building narrative about

1407
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,079
the local religion either as pages

1408
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,440
because they won't read them they'll

1409
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,040
lose them they're doggerly and more

1410
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,240
they'll lie and say their dog's eating

1411
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,480
them and you don't want to give them

1412
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:33,119
that in dmx position

1413
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,640
because either of those will lose you

1414
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,839
your players yeah it might be you might

1415
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,880
be able to have that stuff but that's

1416
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:39,119
for you

1417
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,520
and if you've got that stuff and you

1418
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:43,599
know it then feed it to your players if

1419
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,760
you can if it comes up

1420
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:47,359
but do bear in mind that like very few

1421
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,920
people have read every book in skyrim

1422
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:51,359
right yes there is people that have and

1423
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,160
you can get that information because

1424
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:55,200
i've looked it up once

1425
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,359
but

1426
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,040
generally you can if you're focusing on

1427
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:00,400
that world building side there might

1428
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,559
well be a lot there that your players

1429
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,559
are just never going to see likewise in

1430
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:07,520
terms of narrative

1431
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:09,359
weaving a big a lot into the narrative

1432
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,800
and tying all these things in together

1433
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:12,880
again could be really really useful for

1434
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,079
you as a dm and depending on how much

1435
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,599
you do it

1436
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,960
you might be able to do that but i think

1437
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,200
there could be a stumbling block if

1438
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,800
you're trying to fit that stuff in

1439
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,079
i mean about like if you're trying to

1440
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,480
overstuff it you've got to be willing to

1441
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:26,640
let any bits of these pieces of work you

1442
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,319
do behind the scenes go

1443
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,599
to a great or a lesser extent depending

1444
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:32,079
on how the player interacts with the

1445
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:34,720
world yeah for me that that background

1446
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:37,920
story though is a massive part of it and

1447
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:40,240
like i love narrative i love story yeah

1448
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,920
and so the way that i approach a

1449
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:44,400
campaign i think it's very similar to

1450
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,000
that it's how do all of these things fit

1451
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,079
together the problem is i end up making

1452
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,520
it way way way way too big and so like

1453
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,280
i've got stuff that

1454
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,800
fits into this campaign that's really

1455
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,720
cool now

1456
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:59,040
that it's like a campaign's time away

1457
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:01,599
yeah likewise yeah i've got so much you

1458
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:04,240
know flow charts and if this and that

1459
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:05,359
and all sorts of bits and bobs where

1460
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,599
the likelihood of them getting there

1461
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:10,160
anytime soon and b being in any kind of

1462
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:12,319
state to appreciate it

1463
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,079
is and you know what that's an anxiety

1464
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:15,839
point for me is obviously i've tied

1465
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:18,319
things into backstories

1466
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:20,160
which will just be completely wasted if

1467
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:22,240
that character dies which is a real

1468
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,680
possibility so it's gonna be quite

1469
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,440
underwhelming

1470
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,960
when they when say that character dies

1471
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,280
the rest of the party get there and i'm

1472
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,280
like oh here's something that none of

1473
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,359
you know or recognize

1474
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,480
oh what's your take on resurrection

1475
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:35,680
magic

1476
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,400
um so

1477
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,599
one thing that i read recently about i

1478
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,280
don't want to try and adopt but i don't

1479
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,920
know how much taken the pisses is if i

1480
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,160
adopt it mid campaign of not just

1481
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,000
resurrections but also like riverfi

1482
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,200
basically once they've died or even gone

1483
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,480
to zero hp when they come back

1484
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,480
they should

1485
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,640
have some kind of shortcoming so they

1486
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,040
should be having a level of exhaustion

1487
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,359
for a really basic implementation of

1488
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,920
that but you could have stuff like half

1489
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:06,720
movement speed or because their legs are

1490
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:09,040
[ __ ] or disadvantage permanently or

1491
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:11,200
just yeah i think that was one of the if

1492
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,640
they if they die die then yeah if they

1493
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,559
get revived they should have some kind

1494
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,480
of permanent defup that you know outside

1495
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:18,400
of wish or greater restoration yeah

1496
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,000
maybe they'll get rid of it but because

1497
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,480
it's just a bit you know a bit fourth

1498
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,480
wall breaking to say yeah that person's

1499
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,040
been mangled and mauled and i know hp

1500
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,319
isn't health it's fighting effectiveness

1501
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,520
or whatever and they might be fit and

1502
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:32,559
healthy they're just knackered on the

1503
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,160
floor i get it but three death saves is

1504
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,880
they're [ __ ] right there's no ifs of

1505
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,400
butts or maybes they're gone and if for

1506
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,680
someone to just slam a revival fire on

1507
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,040
them and then kill wounds and they're

1508
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:45,280
back up to 30 hp and take them down to

1509
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,280
rasks is is a bit like that doesn't

1510
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,200
really i know magic is a thing and yes

1511
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,200
they can get healed but i still feel

1512
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,359
like there needs to be another layer of

1513
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,839
something in there to say like you you

1514
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:57,599
you [ __ ] died man like you're

1515
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:59,680
properly dead like your soul wasn't in

1516
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:02,720
your body anymore it's gone like you're

1517
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,559
lucky to have a body to go back to so

1518
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:07,599
what sort of level do you get revivify

1519
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:09,920
because i don't never play

1520
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,960
uh my guys have got it at level eight i

1521
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,160
think they might have had it maybe at

1522
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,400
level seven

1523
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,079
uh the cleric has but the bigger barrier

1524
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,760
to entry potentially depending on the

1525
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,480
campaign is a 50g

1526
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,040
no maybe it's even a 200 gold

1527
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,119
diamond diamond yeah that gets consumed

1528
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,559
which don't come on you know floating on

1529
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,359
trees and something my players have said

1530
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,480
like

1531
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:30,240
we need to be careful because we don't

1532
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,079
have any more diamonds because download

1533
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:34,319
doesn't give us any treasure yeah but

1534
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,160
the places you've been are a peasant

1535
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:38,400
farming settlement which surprise

1536
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,839
surprise doesn't have thousands worth of

1537
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,680
gold knocking around because it wouldn't

1538
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:44,640
be a peasant farm settlement

1539
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:46,160
and you know an abandoned horror church

1540
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,920
full of undead people that again

1541
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,800
surprised surprise had some magic items

1542
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,480
in it but not hordes of diamonds

1543
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,240
because why would there be

1544
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,920
and then yeah they did go down to a mine

1545
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:58,079
once where they did find a couple of

1546
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,200
diamonds which they've since had to use

1547
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,119
yeah so

1548
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,480
i think that's that's a bit a bigger

1549
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,240
barrier for my players is having the

1550
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,680
diamonds there's one mistake that your

1551
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,500
players are making is not robbing the

1552
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,640
right people

1553
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:12,480
[Laughter]

1554
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:14,400
must rob richer graves

1555
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,359
they do tend to antagonize

1556
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,960
poor people uh and people that have no

1557
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:19,420
meat you know

1558
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,359
people

1559
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:24,640
[Laughter]

1560
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:26,160
it's bojo simulator

1561
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,040
um

1562
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,040
sorry so so resurrection can happen and

1563
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:34,079
it has happened in my campaign

1564
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,200
one character was dead fully dead dead

1565
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,720
and

1566
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,119
luckily for him it came at christmas

1567
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:41,200
time so he tied it into a christmas

1568
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:44,000
themed special where they like went into

1569
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:47,119
his psyche and had to cure him from the

1570
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:49,440
inside out with the help of a npc priest

1571
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,559
and all that all the npcs in his psyche

1572
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,240
were called

1573
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:54,319
what looked looked like him it was like

1574
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,960
a being john malkovich situation

1575
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:58,480
and they all had variations of his name

1576
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,559
um but it was all christmas themed they

1577
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,920
fought like a snowman and yeah yeah yeah

1578
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,520
and that was quite good they they killed

1579
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,119
all these bosses they killed the disease

1580
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,119
that was killing him at the end which

1581
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,559
was like a a manifest like the helmet

1582
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:11,280
fell off and it was his face underneath

1583
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:13,040
oh god he's his own yeah right he's his

1584
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,760
own disease but um

1585
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,839
yeah so just specifically on the the the

1586
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,440
kind of hampering them i think because i

1587
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:20,880
managed to kill my at least one of my

1588
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,240
guys before they reached the level where

1589
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,520
they could get rid of a fire they don't

1590
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:25,040
have a cleric in their party anyway

1591
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,440
actually but they were they were using

1592
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:30,720
resurrection and that comes with its

1593
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:33,040
wonderful own set of dangers so i've had

1594
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,400
a player like play a death twice because

1595
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,240
there's a resurrection and then i think

1596
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,839
there's true resurrection isn't there

1597
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:39,920
yeah no sorry i don't even remember

1598
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:41,440
resurrection i mean reincarnation sorry

1599
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,119
ah yes there's i think that's it that's

1600
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,720
the three isn't it reincarnation

1601
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,160
resurrect and then true resurrection

1602
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,400
yeah i think of the three yeah and

1603
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,000
you've got um yes there healers druid so

1604
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,000
he's got reincarnation a lot earlier

1605
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,680
than he's got anything else i also gave

1606
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,839
him a couple of scrolls of reincarnation

1607
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,720
as well just because i'm scaring them

1608
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:00,400
but i'm also quite quite nice really

1609
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,079
but that comes with its own massive

1610
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,640
hampering so my guys are pretty scared

1611
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:06,160
of death off the bat because they had to

1612
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,760
roll for one of their players to come

1613
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,200
back like it was the most ridiculous

1614
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,119
role ever because he came back as the

1615
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,200
same thing that he was so he should have

1616
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,799
been hampered like it was there was that

1617
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,640
big risk that his stats were just going

1618
00:55:14,799 --> 00:55:17,599
to go out and he came back as a wood elf

1619
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,640
again

1620
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:20,400
so i just

1621
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,640
slightly changed his appearance

1622
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,559
some vague way i can't remember how

1623
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,480
but the next time that happened they the

1624
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:29,599
player came back as a dragon ball

1625
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,680
and it was not a good build for them and

1626
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:34,000
so there was that level of stress there

1627
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,599
and also it wasn't just a case of okay

1628
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,200
then the soul comes back into the body

1629
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,559
it was like a kind of seance thing where

1630
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,359
they're all sitting around having to

1631
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:43,920
actually do a thing together and then

1632
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:45,760
also um yes there's there's a there's a

1633
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,200
rigmarole to it oh they had an encounter

1634
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,640
that was it they had they had a combat

1635
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,720
encounter because they had to go and

1636
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,799
physically get the soul back yes and

1637
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:54,720
that took like an entire an entire

1638
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:56,160
session of them traveling through the

1639
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,920
astral plane

1640
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,680
and and just like even like that was

1641
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,359
just a little puzzle at the beginning of

1642
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,280
the session where you've got the single

1643
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:05,040
player on one side and you've got the

1644
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,040
others on the other and how they get to

1645
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,359
each other and all that kind of thing um

1646
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:12,000
so provided you've used it as a scope

1647
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:13,359
for making a bigger storyline i think

1648
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,319
you've

1649
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:16,559
yeah

1650
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:18,960
yeah and that's that's as i said we had

1651
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:20,880
that one and then a player earlier on in

1652
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,119
the campaign got petrified when they

1653
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,640
were like level four or five or

1654
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:26,160
something so again there's no

1655
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,640
biobacillus there's like no way of

1656
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:31,200
getting out that for a good ten levels

1657
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,359
or something absurd so again they had

1658
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,079
i was all improvised on the fly and it

1659
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:38,880
was a whole thing of okay well

1660
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:41,440
each player i asked to contribute

1661
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,119
somehow so any that had deities were

1662
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,119
praying and giving them a call and

1663
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,920
they'll beep her and they rang up her

1664
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,119
their

1665
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,960
powerful wizard they knew on the

1666
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,040
speaking stone to be like hey can you

1667
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,559
help us from a distance at all well let

1668
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,880
me send some good vibes and see what i

1669
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:57,200
can do remotely you know like remote

1670
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,000
technical assistance yeah cure this

1671
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,200
gentrification and everybody tried to do

1672
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,720
something even those that were kind of

1673
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,319
like atheists or didn't know anything

1674
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:06,319
about religion we're helping the others

1675
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:09,040
in some way so a couple of roles

1676
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:10,480
involved and long story short is he did

1677
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,119
i think he took two or three levels of

1678
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,400
exhaustion at the cost of me

1679
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:17,359
improvising something they shouldn't

1680
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,240
have access to for another five levels

1681
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:20,079
yeah

1682
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,839
which which done him over for a time but

1683
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:23,520
that was that was quite good on the spot

1684
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:26,559
and was good role play because everybody

1685
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,960
was like oh yeah let me speak to a god

1686
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,319
and let me think you know let me look

1687
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,119
through my toolkit of stuff that we're

1688
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:34,559
now so far out of rules of written i'm

1689
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:36,799
forced to

1690
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:41,520
think outside the box yeah and forced to

1691
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:43,760
be like oh [ __ ] i've got oil maybe if i

1692
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,280
draw a symbol of a god on him in oil

1693
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,440
maybe that will help and you know just

1694
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,799
weird and want wacky yeah stuff so that

1695
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,640
that was quite good

1696
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:54,400
so maybe a a case of like revivify

1697
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,280
although it has a cost it's the lowest

1698
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,400
cost

1699
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,040
and

1700
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,200
going down to zero no and then you know

1701
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,200
just making if they get stabilized when

1702
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,839
they're making saving throws no probably

1703
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,359
cure wounds is within the intent of yeah

1704
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:10,000
they got a bit [ __ ] but cure wounds

1705
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:11,760
has resolved that fuckingness so they

1706
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,079
can start swinging a sword again yeah i

1707
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,960
get it but dying dying

1708
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:17,200
yeah

1709
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,559
maybe there needs to be if if someone

1710
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:22,720
just has the spell and they can just

1711
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:25,280
cast it then maybe i might introduce

1712
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,680
a semi-permanent problem there

1713
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,799
as the alternative of having to spend a

1714
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,480
session

1715
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:32,880
trying to

1716
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,720
impeach wrestling diamonds

1717
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,400
yeah and then speak to every god under

1718
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,319
the sun to get them to help

1719
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,319
that's the trade-off there is yeah you

1720
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:41,760
can do automatically now

1721
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:44,319
you if your car breaks down you're just

1722
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,520
going to buy a new car but

1723
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:47,359
like it's

1724
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,480
you know there's got to be some kind of

1725
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:51,520
change well yeah again this is where

1726
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,559
i think

1727
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,079
there are ways to i haven't had to do it

1728
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:57,760
necessarily because my players are quite

1729
00:58:56,079 --> 00:59:00,400
dramatic

1730
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,280
they're ways of impressing on people

1731
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,040
even without a kind of any mechanical

1732
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,240
negative other than massive levels of

1733
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,760
exhaustion

1734
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,400
but the psychological damage that is

1735
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,720
done on something um that has been done

1736
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,400
to them just you can just

1737
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,000
you know give them even if you don't

1738
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,359
take the entire party to the afterlife

1739
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,960
to go and get them back which is

1740
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:23,040
generally going to be my favorite way of

1741
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:24,799
doing it and you can still inject

1742
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,920
you get these near-death experiences

1743
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:27,839
right people talk about near-death

1744
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,079
experiences and things like that not

1745
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:32,960
necessarily always going to be nice once

1746
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:34,640
so that that introducing that level of

1747
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,400
the player becoming aware of their own

1748
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,079
mortality despite the fact that they

1749
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,799
they just came back

1750
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:43,359
always more consequences isn't it man

1751
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:46,000
um i think overall we've actually had

1752
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:48,559
in total three deaths one of which was

1753
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,400
revivified two of which were

1754
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:51,920
ham-fisted improvised ways of because

1755
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,359
they were a bit lower level and and so

1756
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,280
on and so on but now the gloves are

1757
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:57,680
riverfire and what sorry so one was just

1758
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,520
a legit use of riverfly yeah just like a

1759
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,200
classic spell they're not dead anymore

1760
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,440
christie because that's like a combat

1761
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,880
res yeah river visor combat res and then

1762
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,400
the other two weather

1763
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,599
imploring the gods and then their

1764
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,599
christmas special so

1765
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,200
i love the christmas special man that's

1766
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,720
wicked yeah and i got the of course

1767
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,880
because that player was dead i got him

1768
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,720
to he was like my assistant dm so he

1769
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,559
played the npcs because they were kind

1770
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,160
of artifacts of his personality anyway

1771
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:23,920
so it worked out quite well i just gave

1772
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,359
him some guidelines and some notes ahead

1773
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,680
of time as to what to say and what to

1774
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:29,280
not say and then just let them kind of

1775
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,720
still play it it was kind of weird but

1776
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,319
kind of cool and it was a goofy

1777
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,839
christmas special to bring him back to

1778
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:37,920
life but um both his body and

1779
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:40,319
the other guy died's body their bodies

1780
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,079
are permanently disfigured in some way

1781
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:43,520
due to the nature of how they died but

1782
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,440
yeah it's yeah just looking at re

1783
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,040
reincarnate now with all the different

1784
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,400
ways you can come back we do have a

1785
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,359
druid in the party so i'll be looking

1786
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:54,000
forward to seeing if he can do that but

1787
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:58,079
resurrection seventh levels are pretty

1788
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:00,240
darn high with a thousand gold diamond

1789
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:02,640
okay so there's no

1790
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,559
ah i know okay there it is there it is

1791
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,760
coming back from the dead is an ordeal

1792
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:09,680
the target takes a minus four penalty

1793
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,520
it's basically like exhaustion they have

1794
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,880
to do a long rest yeah so they have to

1795
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,720
do a long rest and then it goes to minus

1796
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,640
three and then it goes to minus two per

1797
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,480
long rest so that that is actually

1798
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,240
already baked into that spell so i don't

1799
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,680
think it's a huge

1800
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,680
no this notion this is the thing

1801
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:26,400
provides you a really really hammering

1802
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,559
home how difficult it is to die and then

1803
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,760
come back to life i also found it funny

1804
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,440
that you gave your guys a christmas

1805
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,359
special i skinned mine with the chain

1806
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,040
devil

1807
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:38,640
well that was that was where they found

1808
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,720
the ranger the second time he died

1809
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,319
two sides of the same coin yeah no i

1810
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,880
know right

1811
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:47,599
you guys are battling frosty the snowman

1812
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:50,599
my guy's screaming in the takashi mikey

1813
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:50,599
film

1814
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:53,760
[Music]

1815
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,440
and then i looked at true resurrection

1816
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,720
as well which is a ninth level spell

1817
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,559
which obviously is a big deal and of

1818
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,000
itself but also needs diamonds worth 25k

1819
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:04,319
yeah gold

1820
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,240
which is a lot but maybe at ninth level

1821
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:08,319
they've got a buttload of money so maybe

1822
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,599
it's not a big deal but um i mean one of

1823
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:11,200
the campaigns i'm running i've got a

1824
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,200
city where you can go to the local

1825
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,039
hospital and buy reincarnation true

1826
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,880
resurrection but there's a markup on it

1827
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:19,359
it's like 50k or something like that

1828
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,440
right 35k maybe eta i can't remember but

1829
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:22,319
you can do it so there's really no worry

1830
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,599
there

1831
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:25,520
except of course unless you don't have

1832
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:27,359
the body or something like that and even

1833
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,119
then there's ways around that so what's

1834
01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:31,280
the point in killing people well the

1835
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:33,599
point is it's still really unpleasant to

1836
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,680
be killed it's still a really dominating

1837
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:38,160
thing to be able to to just

1838
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:40,400
assassinate someone it's the ultimate

1839
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:42,799
putting uh bullying and putting somebody

1840
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,160
in their place within that setting so

1841
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:46,079
even then in a game where i've

1842
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,359
completely gone yeah well no being dying

1843
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:49,119
really almost doesn't matter at this

1844
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:52,000
stage there's other ways of upping those

1845
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:53,839
stakes and even even when death is not

1846
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,440
an option

1847
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:57,039
because you can sort it out down the

1848
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,039
local clinic

1849
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:00,480
there's still good reasons not to die

1850
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,920
aside from anything else you're losing

1851
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,520
time

1852
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,119
yes exactly and i didn't see them

1853
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:08,400
resurrection as well that hey it's only

1854
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:10,160
available to clerics and baths curiously

1855
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,799
enough who don't have access to

1856
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,960
reincarnate or true resurrection it's a

1857
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:16,880
bar to just sit in the middle with like

1858
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,559
i could do a bit of reviving there yeah

1859
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,640
which actually kind of makes narrative

1860
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:23,440
sense i can kind of get behind that can

1861
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,200
you revive me yeah kind of

1862
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,200
bit

1863
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,559
but also that the person that casts it

1864
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,760
can't cast spells until uh if you're

1865
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,039
trying to revive someone who's been dead

1866
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,359
longer than a year

1867
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,960
they can't cast spells

1868
01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:38,480
until they have a long rest and have

1869
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,240
also a disadvantage on they have a level

1870
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,520
of exhaustion and can't cast spells

1871
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,559
until they have a long rest there's like

1872
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,280
two the caster and the the person's cast

1873
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:49,280
on kind of [ __ ] for quite some time

1874
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,280
for just which one resurrection was that

1875
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,799
normal resurrection resurrection yeah

1876
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,480
regular resurrection which is which is

1877
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:56,480
interesting and good and like a i guess

1878
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,520
a good way to not punish but to

1879
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,920
reinforce that idea of yeah dying sucks

1880
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:04,000
like even if it's

1881
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,400
you know the higher the characters get

1882
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,160
it still sucks to die yeah and that's

1883
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,079
something i want to try and reinforce

1884
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,000
more in my players of

1885
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,200
yeah okay you've got a cleric you can

1886
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,559
just snap his fingers and you'll jump

1887
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,920
back up and you've got people who can

1888
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:18,319
just healing word you from across the

1889
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,839
room and you jump back up but

1890
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:21,440
that sucks

1891
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:22,720
no one wants to die

1892
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,480
even if

1893
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,280
you know you can get back up which is

1894
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,920
why abilities like

1895
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:31,280
which is why it's like zealot barbs get

1896
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,520
of just

1897
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,039
relentless endurance and relentless rage

1898
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,359
of just staying up

1899
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:38,720
and like captain america can do this all

1900
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:41,119
day

1901
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,720
crazy cool because they're like

1902
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,559
i am scared of death but i've got stuff

1903
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,240
in there that stops that happening yeah

1904
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:48,240
which is implies that it's important

1905
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,160
that you stop that happening yeah no

1906
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,160
absolutely and it's it's this thing that

1907
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,920
has a question i've seen asked a couple

1908
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,359
of times recently which is that what is

1909
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,799
the point of

1910
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:59,119
how do you make death scary in a world

1911
01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:00,480
where death isn't necessarily scary

1912
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:02,240
and like i say

1913
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,400
players do take it as an insult because

1914
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,400
it means you miss turns anyway and even

1915
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,200
if nothing else you missing a turn is

1916
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,760
not fun so even being dead for a turn is

1917
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:15,359
still sucks yes and players hate that

1918
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:17,839
yeah and then narratively if like

1919
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:20,720
you've got the dude laughing about it

1920
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:23,200
that's just done it and just rub as much

1921
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:25,280
salt into that wound as possible

1922
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,400
and this is where you could we can rely

1923
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:30,640
on a nate smugness dance oh yeah oh for

1924
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,000
sure because then brimming no it doesn't

1925
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,920
doesn't matter even if there was no

1926
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,039
mechanical even doesn't cost half the

1927
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,720
diamonds

1928
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,240
they still don't want you laughing at

1929
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,760
them

1930
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,319
which is i appreciate not necessarily

1931
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,000
we're gonna fly every single table but

1932
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:45,599
it's not me it's a minotaur who's

1933
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,880
grinding his hoof in the back of your

1934
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,680
dead head

1935
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,520
yeah exactly yeah and i do again i do

1936
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,119
really lean into those

1937
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,200
when it makes sense when it's not like a

1938
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:56,480
mindless undead abomination that doesn't

1939
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,920
care yeah just killing them for the sake

1940
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,160
of killing when there is kind of a

1941
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,720
conscious sentient killer i do try and

1942
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:05,280
make a deal of them being vindictive

1943
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:07,520
about it and being like ah

1944
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:10,799
gutted

1945
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:12,720
they my players are likely to be soon

1946
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:15,440
coming up against a

1947
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,880
green dragon in one form or another i'm

1948
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,200
trying to pick my words carefully and

1949
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,680
all i want to say is i'm very much

1950
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:24,640
looking forward to being a

1951
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:26,480
smug conniving powerful bastard

1952
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:29,200
that's my wish for filming

1953
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,319
absolutely man um i have to say running

1954
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,799
like

1955
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:34,079
running both ulyssarin and an ability

1956
01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:36,640
are

1957
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:38,799
wonderful for being hot and now i'm

1958
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,559
running devils which is even better for

1959
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:41,839
being a horrible smug bastard you can't

1960
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:44,480
imagine the amount of fun you could have

1961
01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:46,799
being a devil with that stuff an amnesia

1962
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:49,760
oh my days is great

1963
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:51,280
good evening is there anything we can

1964
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:55,359
get you

1965
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,359
we'll be seeing you soon anyway

1966
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:03,520
it says lawful good on that sheet we

1967
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,520
know otherwise don't we sir

1968
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,400
yeah yeah

1969
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,079
yeah i'm just really looking forward to

1970
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,640
that encounter not only for me to be a

1971
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:16,400
bellend but also because

1972
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:19,520
the green dragon knows stuff and can do

1973
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:22,480
stuff that again should reinforce that

1974
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,839
fear of like okay yeah we might have

1975
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,400
just been killing

1976
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:28,720
kobolds quite handily

1977
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,599
for the last three or four sessions but

1978
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,839
this thing that we're gonna see now

1979
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:35,200
might see kobolds as nothing more than

1980
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:37,359
ants

1981
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,559
so you've just killed a bunch of ants

1982
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:41,200
well done

1983
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:43,280
europe pest control congratulations but

1984
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,200
to him you're like yeah

1985
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,880
you know you're one step above ants

1986
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,200
you're i don't know i don't even know

1987
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,760
you're an annie yeah great i could

1988
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,280
danlow could fight an annie yeah

1989
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,680
might actually be more difficult than

1990
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,680
you think man

1991
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,760
having struggled against an anteater

1992
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:08,079
with a door i can tell you they're quite

1993
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,079
strong

1994
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:13,200
that's a story for another time

1995
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,440
okay so now now i want a giant anteater

1996
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:18,319
and i don't mean giant in the ten foot

1997
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:21,600
combat space giant i mean like to rask

1998
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:22,839
giant anteater to be a big bad guy

1999
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:26,000
i mean

2000
01:08:22,839 --> 01:08:28,799
yeah stating that would be terrifying

2001
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,960
the other body strength alone man i just

2002
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:32,799
i just got this cool thought of them

2003
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,640
kind of stepping out of their door in if

2004
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:36,799
they're in a city they step out of their

2005
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,880
hotel door and there's just this pink

2006
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:42,060
fleshy thing like wriggling through the

2007
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:44,799
streets and like oh what's this

2008
01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:46,960
[Laughter]

2009
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:49,199
just rummaging its tongue throughout the

2010
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,359
streets just people getting stuck to it

2011
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,279
it's been dragged along i'm sorry i do

2012
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,120
know exactly what you mean i can imagine

2013
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,159
it incredibly well but it's taking me

2014
01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:00,080
back to some

2015
01:08:56,159 --> 01:09:00,080
dodgy anime i watched years ago

2016
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:06,560
all right on that note um

2017
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:08,560
is there anything else you you had that

2018
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,319
you wanted to talk about mistakes

2019
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,520
not a lot of particularly no i think we

2020
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:15,040
covered a lot there man like the

2021
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,759
i suppose i haven't particularly helpful

2022
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,759
on mechanical mistakes very much like

2023
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:22,159
when stuff actually does just go wrong

2024
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:23,759
and how comfortable because i think

2025
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:26,640
being comfortable with

2026
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:28,719
fudging dice rolls in or ruling in in

2027
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,400
favor of your players

2028
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:33,679
in order to

2029
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:35,120
make up for mistakes that they've made

2030
01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:37,440
provided you can do that without

2031
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:40,159
compromising the narrative i think there

2032
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:42,000
lies pretty much a lot of your ways to

2033
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:45,040
deal or to change mistakes into

2034
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:48,000
opportunities is within that ability to

2035
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:49,600
have a fluid narrative and to respond to

2036
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,520
your players

2037
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,159
positive and negative and not be afraid

2038
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:56,560
to when stuff hits the fan make the [ __ ]

2039
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:58,560
down [ __ ] creep pretty deep yeah yeah

2040
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,880
and that that's where the expertise

2041
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,880
comes from i think i'm not saying i am

2042
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,280
but i think we know enough to identify

2043
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,880
that that is where the line of

2044
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,840
in the start of adventure and you just

2045
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,080
you don't know because you know what

2046
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,520
you're doing it's the first time and

2047
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,040
little d do you know that that encounter

2048
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,360
that wizards have put in front of you is

2049
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,679
a tpkr and you don't know any better and

2050
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,360
you just do it and then oh it kind of

2051
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:21,040
sucks and no one's there but knowing

2052
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,120
where to be like no hang on let me let

2053
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,400
me just rein that in a little bit and it

2054
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,080
still makes sense and it's still

2055
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,800
cohesive but

2056
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:30,239
it's better fun for everybody is and

2057
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,920
drawing it right back to the beginning

2058
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:34,960
if you think you have completely screwed

2059
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,640
something up in an unfair way provided

2060
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,719
fairness is done and perceived to be

2061
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,960
done as well provided people don't feel

2062
01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:43,360
too victimized because you've got

2063
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,199
consistency there if you have really

2064
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:47,360
genuinely screwed everything up and you

2065
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:49,280
can't see your way out of it and

2066
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,320
there's some massive error that you've

2067
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,840
made

2068
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,719
then bringing right back to the

2069
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,280
beginning

2070
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:56,480
swearing loads and apologizing a lot

2071
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,760
like

2072
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,440
there are some points where you just go

2073
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,800
[ __ ] yeah no i really messed up i didn't

2074
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:03,920
mean that to happen sorry that's not

2075
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:05,040
what i meant at all my bad yeah whatever

2076
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,560
and then you just gotta trust your but

2077
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,679
probably you're not doing that every two

2078
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,520
weeks

2079
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:11,520
people can be quite forgiving provided

2080
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,679
you're willing to be a little bit a

2081
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:16,400
little bit of give and take there and i

2082
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:19,120
think you're listening to him as well

2083
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:22,480
yeah yeah give and take him to er is

2084
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:24,430
human exactly that's just life so

2085
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:31,860
not just

2086
01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:31,860
[Laughter]

2087
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:37,520
boom right nice to bask in my glory

2088
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:38,480
after you saying i couldn't find any uh

2089
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,840
glory

2090
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,840
to bask in my glory

2091
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:47,280
i could find anna yeah and anyway so i

2092
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,159
think that pretty much brings us to the

2093
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,920
end

2094
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:51,920
on that proclamation of strength

2095
01:11:52,560 --> 01:12:03,830
um

2096
01:11:54,250 --> 01:12:03,830
[Laughter]

2097
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,040
i can't bear to think of the the fluff

2098
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,190
text for the tongue attacks that

2099
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:16,080
annihila is going to get

2100
01:12:12,190 --> 01:12:17,360
[Laughter]

2101
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,360
all right

2102
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,600
so we should we shall we should put a

2103
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:24,080
pin in it there um thank you very very

2104
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,040
very much for coming on jamie and uh

2105
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,280
thank you for having me thank you

2106
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,679
everyone listening for uh

2107
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,199
listening to this crazy babble of death

2108
01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:33,760
and anteaters

2109
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:36,800
is maybe the the subtitle of this

2110
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,560
episode um

2111
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,520
if anyone has any uh thoughts or

2112
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:44,239
comments please tweet me at download

2113
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:46,540
underscore dnd otherwise

2114
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:51,729
good night take care

2115
01:12:46,540 --> 01:12:51,729
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