Improvisation

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hello and welcome to thinking critically

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a d and d discussion a podcast where we

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deep dive single word concepts or ideas

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within the dungeons and dragons 5e

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framework my name is danilo and i like

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all kinds of games and the crunchy

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like or a follow and today i'm joined by

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daniel aka eos ricconto thank you ever

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so much daniel for joining us can you

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tell us a little bit about yourself

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pleasure's all mine i go by yo circanto

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in cyberspace surrounding d5e i run the

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channel eos riconto at twitch so

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twitch.tv slash ios or konto where

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we do dnd 5v streams so a couple of the

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campaigns in there i'm a player and then

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another one idm the campaign coaster for

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that channel

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but yeah that's uh that's who i am

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thanks for having me on the show that's

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all right it's a pleasure i'm always

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always happy to talk to

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everybody about their dnd experiences

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and they should be a very good one

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as the topic is improvisation

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so

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daniel what does the word improvisation

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mean to you

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improvisation like the definition

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obviously is just making it up on the fl

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making stuff up on the fly and figuring

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things out as you go

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i think within the context of tabletop

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rpgs when people talk about

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improvisation they're referring to like

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all kinds of things like from creating

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encounters on the fly to

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creating the world on the fly

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all the way down to just like standard

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table play of what do the various

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characters do

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i actually think like

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in general tabletop rpgs are when the

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actual act of playing them at the table

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is pretty much all improvisation

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um when you actually sit down at the

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table like what's going on at the table

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like it's it's pretty much pure

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improvisation like no amount of no

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amount of prep is like you can you can

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have plenty of prep ahead of time but

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the actual act of playing the game

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you're pretty much just improvising like

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you don't know exactly how care like as

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a dm you don't know exactly how

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characters are going to or what they're

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exactly what they're going to say unless

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you're reading from a script and

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not a lot of people do that so there's

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like there's an element of improv in

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like

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during every session like everything you

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do yeah yeah i seen i understand now

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yeah it's

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weird to think about it so many things

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in this stupid podcast

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sound like hyper obvious when i say them

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when i'm recording but in my head i'm

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like whoa i've had a huge realization in

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and and this example is players are

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obviously

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improvising all the time now when you

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put it down like they sit at the table

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they don't know what's going to happen

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which sounds obvious but when you put it

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plainly like that i'm like oh god yeah

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literally 100 of their time

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is

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improvisation and either that's

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completely raw improv with like you know

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how does my character feel and

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what are they gonna say versus like kind

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of constrained within combat of okay

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well i can only do this but i still have

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to pick

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what i want to do within those rules

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and likewise with

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dm'ing as you said you can plan and prep

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and until the cows come home and have

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you know reams and

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thousands of words

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planned but as soon as the players say

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yeah but you know what's your favorite

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kind of dessert

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at the end you haven't even written that

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down

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suddenly the captain of the guard has to

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remember what his favorite dessert is

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exactly exactly and again

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you're back to

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improvising straight away so i've

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from my experience i've obviously got a

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few

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set piece npcs that are kind of critical

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to the story

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not quite skyrim plus i'm a critical

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that just fall unconscious but they're

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quite pivotal in the direction the

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players take and even you know those

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guys i've planned and prepped and

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had you know a couple of paragraphs here

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or there like introductory

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paragraphs is about as far as i can get

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before it's like okay after that i'm

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just gonna have to be

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making stuff up on the fly because you

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just can't plan as you said

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which is a little bit

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scary i have to say a little bit uh

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especially for those bigger npcs like i

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don't mind improvising for

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bill the potion shop owner because

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in the grand scheme of things he's

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kind of trivial and like it doesn't

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really matter if he messes up and says

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something stupid or yeah or yeah or puts

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his foot in it or

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or gets killed or whatever if you're

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playing if you're playing like

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the guide or the you know the good guy

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person that's the aid of that's trying

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to help him out if he says something

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that trips him up later or puts his fur

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in it or says something he shouldn't

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know

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you know that immediately gets the

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players being like oh how does he know

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that and that must mean that xyz and

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that must mean that he's a bad guy and

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then there's just a bead of sweat

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running down the forehead

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it's like oh no that's just uh

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oops my bad yeah yeah i know that i know

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that feeling really well too like i had

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a character uh a pretty pretty large

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presence in the in the world and i know

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some of my players are gonna listen to

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this so i don't want to uh spoil

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anything but like the character made

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contact with them and like in my head

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i'm like okay this is like a helper npc

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it's somebody who's going to help them

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along to figure stuff out and as soon as

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they get like this letter from them

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they're like this person knows

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they're out to get us

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like

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and at that point it's just like well i

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think the best you can do is just be

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like well that's what they're gonna

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think

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and i think

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when it comes to like uh prepping and

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creating those characters like he said

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the the large and important characters

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are the scariest characters to play

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because you're like worried about them

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not fulfilling the role that you want

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them to fulfill yeah that's that's

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that's it in a nutshell that's literally

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it that they have a role like a very

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clear vision in my head of

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this is the kind of character i want

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them to be you know stereotyping or

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tropey it doesn't matter but the moment

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you're in the spotlight it's so easy to

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be like

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you know drop in the filter words and

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say um and use your own kind of

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colloquialisms what this 400 year old

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beholder would never say

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hey that's cool ah [ __ ] no danalow says

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hey that's cool

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this beholder would never say that well

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i've just kind of undermined his whole

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insomnia

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i think that's where the players have to

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meet you halfway and you know appreciate

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that we're not all career

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improvisational actors

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so they kind of have to take some of

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those

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little misdemeanors with a pinch of salt

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and just kind of you know suspension of

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disbelief almost and just kind of brush

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them under the carpet and say you know

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what

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he's got a tough job

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so we'll let the beholder say hey that's

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rad this time

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i think a lot of players like most

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tables like unless you're running unless

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you're running a streamed game that

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you're treating very much like a

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production that you want to like for

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that do you want to show the world it's

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like

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it's it's important to let everybody at

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the table including the dm just sort of

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like relax

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and have fun while they're doing stuff

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and having when the beholder says okay

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cool and it's like

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some gift tables might

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they might internalize that into their

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like empty into the theater of their

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mind as the beholders that as the

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beholder says that but i think most

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people sort of like

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assume that they don't they turn off the

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the in character like reception for the

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for their theater when that kind of

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stuff happens but yeah one thing that's

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that's helped me when it comes to like

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portraying npcs that i want to like have

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impact in the game um

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because i figured this out mostly

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because uh one of my players told me

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they really liked the interaction with

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uh the certain npc i made they felt like

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they were um because this person was

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like so somebody who i played with for a

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long time back in high school we used to

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play d d and my friends

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in my friend's basement were all around

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the table with our group of friends so

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like we've got that history we've got

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the history together and he said like

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when he was interacting with this npc it

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felt kind of like me and him

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were chilling out and having having a

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good time

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like we always have whenever we hung out

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and um

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it sort of clicked in my mind it's like

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actually you know i kind of

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fashioned that npc to be like that like

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there's a little bit of me in that

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character and it actually made it really

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really easy to have the character sort

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of act naturally and flow with flow with

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the dialogue

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um in a very familiar way that spoke to

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the player

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maybe this is just for me but i think a

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lot of my npcs have a little bit

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of my biases within them i'm not a

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career

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actor i can't do that kind of

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disassociation

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fully just yet so a lot of my npcs have

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a have a little layer of neuroses in

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there that they've inherited

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from me like a little layer of

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skepticism of sarcasm of suspicion you

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could be talking to

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like

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betty the 80 year old npc tavern owner

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or

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victor

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von

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vasselheim the 30 year old

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vampire lord and they'll both have a

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little bit of like

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well that wasn't a very clever thing to

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do

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[Laughter]

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you sound suspiciously like victor betty

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here what's up with that

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boom that's a new campaign i just spun

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out thin air

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kind of big picture big npc's that are

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maybe slightly more important than we

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talked about the pitfalls of

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you know letting something slip or

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saying something they wouldn't do i

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don't know if you have any tips or

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advice for how to maybe

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you know mitigate that i i imagine

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there's other people out there that have

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gotten that concern and you know it's a

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legitimate concern because it's happened

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to me enough times and i don't know if

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there's any

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thoughts or tips or any kind of prep we

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can do to

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to lessen that worry or at least lessen

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the impact it might have

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hmm well um

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so i i started gming and dming primarily

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through playing dungeon world which is a

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much more um

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it's a much more rules-like game

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and in dungeon world like npcs and

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monsters are like paper-thin um one or

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two actions by the players like can

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knock them out and that sort of taught

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me um going into like when i made the

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transition over to

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5e

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um when i look at an npc i think of it

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as

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expendable pretty much like i have to be

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ready for this thing this npc to just

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like

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it could they could go away at any time

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and sort of like

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build them in such a way that i'm

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prepared for that character to die

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especially a boss monster like i think

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some people get really um

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really caught up in uh making their

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villains or like the climactic showdown

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in the campaign with the bad guy that

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the players have been chasing forever

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they sort of like

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get really attached to

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that big bad like because they've

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probably had you probably have a story

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for it why does this character do all

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these evil things what's their

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motivation you've gotten to know them

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really badly and you sort of like sort

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of start to cherish them and really like

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they're kind of your character in a way

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it's like they're they are the character

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that you created that's been persist a

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persistent big factor in the throughout

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the entire campaign the same way the

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players have

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but

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when i look at like okay here's the

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final confrontation this guy is gonna

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die but i want to make this guy dying

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as tense and enjoyable as possible

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and i think that the when you're looking

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at making like the encounter for that

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final thing um

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you just want to make you you want to

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angle yourself to like think of

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showing him in the in their last throws

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and giving them a good a good way out

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an

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think of that final battle as your

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farewell to that character

361
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yeah that's a good way of playing it i

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found your final farewell in general

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non-enemy npcs

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don't make them too

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important be ready to kill them off for

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a plot hook or something make them

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endearing of course and like enjoy them

368
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but at the end of the day like the

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players are the main characters

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don't plan to have what any any

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character overshadow them or uh be so

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inexpendable

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that

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they can't just die

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if [ __ ] happens

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yeah and it also lessens their

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responsibility to make them this kind of

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flawless

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npc that only knows what they know and

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you don't have to act you know if they

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let slip a couple times then it's not as

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big a deal because

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they are fallible and as you said

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they might die so you just kind of

385
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move on

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[Laughter]

387
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i used for funnily enough a beholder mpc

388
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a voice modulator

389
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software

390
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a real-time one and i was thinking did

391
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that help me

392
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you know in the same way that kind of

393
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getting into character

394
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helps

395
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and i think it did i think

396
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because i had to keep toggling the voice

397
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on and off because the players would be

398
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like okay but what can i see in the room

399
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and then i have to obviously turn the

400
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voice off

401
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so it's just me talking and then turn it

402
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back on again i think that did help

403
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actually me as a dm

404
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it's that

405
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quite a hard boundary between okay i've

406
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clicked that button anything i say now

407
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is

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officially his voice

409
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and that helped from a mental

410
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perspective for me to say okay these

411
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next words that are coming out of your

412
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mouth until i click that button again

413
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are his voice and you need to be careful

414
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and you need to talk in his way and the

415
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words need to be said in his way so that

416
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helped me and it won't work for every

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npc but it might just be something you

418
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know a little mental trick that dms

419
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could do to just you know flag in their

420
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mind to say i am now talking as this

421
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person and i need to be really careful

422
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or more careful than just me chang as

423
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you and i are now so we say

424
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i think you hit on something that's

425
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actually really uh really good when it

426
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comes to like thinking about the actual

427
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rping and portraying of the npc is that

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act of having to turn on the voice

429
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modulator it was sort of just like a

430
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switch in your head where it's like okay

431
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i am now this person

432
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and i think like npc's uh

433
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it's a good practice when you're

434
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portraying an npc to like sort of

435
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give yourself a mental switch for the

436
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character even if you're not physically

437
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hitting something um

438
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one thing that uh i know from like

439
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researching like acting stuff and try

440
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and like trying to do like sound effects

441
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and voices and stuff is to like um

442
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change your expression or your posture

443
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change yourself like physically some way

444
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like we we see we see like um

445
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obviously critical role super super

446
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popular um and you see you see matt

447
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mercer sort of hunch over and he like

448
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contorts his face when he's portraying a

449
00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:05,839
character and i think that's him doing

450
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that is sort of coming from his actor

451
00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:10,480
background

452
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and it's it's less of like i feel like

453
00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:16,959
it's almost less of putting on a show

454
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but more like him reminding himself

455
00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:21,759
to be that character when he does when

456
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he does like hunch over and contort his

457
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face

458
00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:28,160
um just a little change in posture or

459
00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:31,360
like expression can go a long way into

460
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like really conveying a character i

461
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,959
think

462
00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:37,600
yeah all right now i completely agree

463
00:16:34,959 --> 00:16:39,120
that is a solid solid piece of advice

464
00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,320
and i think you're absolutely right when

465
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you say

466
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it's probably only like 40 percent

467
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for our benefit

468
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and

469
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the other 60 is his switch to say okay

470
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i'm gonna hunch over and wrinkle up my

471
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,959
face to portray this old hag or whatever

472
00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,399
and obviously he takes it to the extreme

473
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because that's his you know that's his

474
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career and that's his his profession but

475
00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,120
for us regular folk it doesn't obviously

476
00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,880
have to be that extreme even just you

477
00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,559
know i'm just gonna

478
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sit up in my chair a little bit to play

479
00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:12,079
the snooty elf and even that can be as

480
00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:14,720
you said all it takes to get that mental

481
00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:15,600
neuron to fire in a certain way okay now

482
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,400
i'm

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i speak like this and hello and i'm yes

484
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i'm going to help you and then or just

485
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just slouch down a little bit to be

486
00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:28,640
to be some kind of you know uh wild

487
00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:31,200
degenerate yeah yeah yeah kind of a kind

488
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,960
of person so pop out your chest to you

489
00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,640
stand up straight like square your

490
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shoulders and puff out your chest to be

491
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the straw mork

492
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,440
yeah yeah exactly i'm gonna you know i'm

493
00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:44,400
such a fool because as such golden

494
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advice for portraying npcs and

495
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,919
yes it takes a little bit of

496
00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,840
improvisational skill to even get

497
00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:51,280
for npcs you make up on the fly which

498
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,679
are tricky

499
00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,840
but um yeah to even have them

500
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have some kind of posture but it you

501
00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,960
know you just do just do anything on the

502
00:17:57,679 --> 00:18:02,480
day and that can be their thing and

503
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,840
you know if

504
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,360
the characters have gone and spoken to

505
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an npc you've had to make up on the spot

506
00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:09,840
and you as a dm are stuttering a little

507
00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:11,280
bit like i was just then to make up

508
00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,480
something they're going to say

509
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,840
roll with that make that that npc's

510
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foy ball

511
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and then there you go you've got your

512
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trigger then you've got that

513
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yes uh

514
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players let me

515
00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,000
show you the way and then you've got

516
00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,200
he's got a gimmick there that can help

517
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,400
you to

518
00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,840
lean into it and perhaps you were

519
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,520
drinking at the time when they brought

520
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,880
them up so make you know

521
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,039
bring your glass into your hand and have

522
00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,440
that as your kind of mental trigger of

523
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okay this is this dude

524
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,760
we've talked

525
00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:41,520
a lot about

526
00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,720
dm improvising

527
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npcs

528
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and i think we'll talk about player

529
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,919
improvisation a bit later on so let's

530
00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:51,200
stick with dm so the time being

531
00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:53,120
the other side of things from a dm

532
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,520
perspective is there's kind of three

533
00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:57,679
pillars in my head there's

534
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,720
characters they have to make up

535
00:18:57,679 --> 00:19:00,400
there are

536
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encounters

537
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,840
and then there's like the story

538
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,400
so if we go through in that all we've

539
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,320
done kind of characters and npcs

540
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,240
so about encounters

541
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,440
and by that i don't mean just combat i

542
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,760
mean

543
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,360
trying to barter with the shopkeep

544
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,520
have you got any you know anecdotes or

545
00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:20,960
any thoughts around kind of improvising

546
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,760
encounters and tips and tricks and stuff

547
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,280
well

548
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,280
when i was thinking about this i think

549
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,720
in dungeons and dragons fifth edition

550
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,600
not even fifth edition but dungeons and

551
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,400
dragons being a more rules-heavy game

552
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:35,440
battle encounters are probably the

553
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,760
hardest thing to create on the fly to

554
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,080
improvise like from the ground up if you

555
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,000
like obviously once the encounter starts

556
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,559
the entire thing is improvisation here's

557
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,080
my pieces and i'm gonna think of what

558
00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,960
they're gonna do as

559
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,960
it goes on but like uh if your players

560
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,120
like wander off and

561
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,360
suddenly they're in a situation where

562
00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:57,520
that you weren't planning and combat has

563
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:59,360
started and you hadn't counted on this

564
00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,880
and you didn't have an encounter built

565
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,320
the skill that takes the improvising

566
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,799
something like that is one of like the

567
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,000
highest like uh most difficult things to

568
00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:08,320
do

569
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,480
it comes down to a lot of

570
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,039
the most i feel like the most common way

571
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,600
to deal with that situation is to

572
00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:16,640
pull out a stat block for something and

573
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,200
maybe

574
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:21,360
re-flavor it to fit what you what you

575
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,600
what's in the actual situation

576
00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:25,679
but even then like that requires like

577
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,280
knowing which character which step back

578
00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:29,679
you're gonna pull off what creature it

579
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,400
is and all that so it takes like i think

580
00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:34,720
as your knowledge of like

581
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,039
the very stat blocks in the game and

582
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,520
what creatures you can you can repurpose

583
00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:40,720
into what it becomes easier but i think

584
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480
that's definitely one of the hardest

585
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,720
things

586
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,400
yeah i wouldn't even begin to i don't

587
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,559
think i've ever had to and i don't

588
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,480
particularly want to do that as you said

589
00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:51,679
because balancing account is difficult

590
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,440
enough when you've got weeks of

591
00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:55,840
preparation let alone

592
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,760
doing it on the fly i just couldn't even

593
00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,000
begin to see and yeah you know obviously

594
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,960
i use indeed beyond for a lot of

595
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,840
easy to access character sheets for stat

596
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,520
blocks

597
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,360
if i was having to

598
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,760
rifle through a book that's just a

599
00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:11,120
complete non-starter that's almost at

600
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,480
the point where i'd

601
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:14,320
sacrifice

602
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,480
realism in the game

603
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,720
to just say you know what there's no

604
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,280
bandits on this road because

605
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,559
if we have to make a combat up well

606
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,679
we must have just stopped playing now

607
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:27,280
because it's going to take me forever to

608
00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:29,440
to sort that out

609
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:32,400
yeah actually like you mentioned d d

610
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,640
beyond and d d beyond has their their uh

611
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,960
their beta encounter builder has been

612
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,360
like my best my best help when it comes

613
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,360
to uh having something having something

614
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:43,120
ready to go on the fly and i think

615
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,480
doing a little extra prep of like

616
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,400
looking at where the characters are

617
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,640
going where the characters are and then

618
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,799
just popping onto dnd beyond and making

619
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,640
like three or four encounters that you

620
00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:55,200
can just pull out of your back pocket if

621
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,960
you need to it goes a long way towards

622
00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,799
helping like being caught pants down

623
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,640
without an encounter ready and with an

624
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:04,880
encounter in front of you

625
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,960
that you have to have yeah i think we're

626
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,039
almost at a point where we're saying

627
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,840
trying not to improvise fights like

628
00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:13,039
combat encounters yeah that's so tricky

629
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,480
like i mean i'm sure there are people

630
00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:16,080
out there that can and

631
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,640
as you said it probably scales with your

632
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:21,679
abilities if you're a really good

633
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:24,240
blagger and a mechanical improviser so

634
00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:26,400
by that i mean of health and ac and

635
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,520
stuff if you're confident to say

636
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,799
build a stat block on the fly

637
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:35,039
then go ahead so say they're in a bar

638
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:36,400
and they fight and guards come in and

639
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:38,640
they end up fighting the guards if

640
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,000
you're confident enough to say all right

641
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,480
guard ac 15 whatever to hit it's plus

642
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,360
four they get two attacks per turn

643
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,559
then then maybe you're in the realm of

644
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,080
being i mean

645
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,840
i kind of just did it then but i have no

646
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:55,200
idea how balanced that would be

647
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,200
that's that's complete wild west of just

648
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,120
okay they're either gonna get

649
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,400
stomped on or the players are gonna die

650
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,919
and

651
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,840
god knows which way that could swing in

652
00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:05,840
my game there's all kinds of things that

653
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,320
can happen that happened when you were

654
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,960
just pulling a stat block out so it's

655
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,280
like it's it goes like even beyond i

656
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,760
like as a person who likes to who enjoys

657
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:18,080
liking counter building and making like

658
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,000
enemy encounters that that have like

659
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,799
interesting mechanics and synergies

660
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,720
going on within them then it's if you're

661
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:26,880
trying like pulling something out like

662
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,559
that out of nowhere is

663
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,720
that much harder like to have an

664
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:32,880
actually interesting encounter just come

665
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,799
out of nowhere where it's not like

666
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,000
you're not just like okay well here's

667
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:39,280
some hp uh ac uh

668
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,799
multi-attack

669
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:44,080
long sword

670
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:46,080
there yeah and there's five of them um

671
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,960
oh god yeah keeping track of that it's

672
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,159
gonna be

673
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,440
a nightmare

674
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:54,320
bni i also used well i used cobalt fight

675
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:57,039
club to build my encounters pre-dnd

676
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,039
beyond before they had their own

677
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,559
encounter builder and then as soon as

678
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:02,159
they released theirs

679
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:05,120
i just moved to it just because it's the

680
00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:07,120
one stop shop and has the stat blocks

681
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:09,200
built in to the encounter builder so

682
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:12,240
that would be my recommendation also

683
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,400
just because it it trivializes building

684
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,360
an encounter as much as it can which is

685
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,520
to say

686
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,600
it's still quite arduous

687
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,440
yeah

688
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,279
it makes the worst part about building

689
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,760
an encounter the easiest thing about it

690
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:28,400
which is like using the built-in

691
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,799
balancing system that's in the dms guide

692
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:33,120
and doing all the calculations needed

693
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,960
for that automatically yeah so it's like

694
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:36,880
huge thing you just pull things out and

695
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,440
you don't have to do too much map too

696
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,360
much math to figure stuff out

697
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,159
yeah indeed yeah

698
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,520
so

699
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:45,200
we talked about combat counters what

700
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,080
about non-combat encounters so

701
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,679
improvising as i said like

702
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:54,400
i try and barter with the

703
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:56,880
the bar keep or i want to

704
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,799
bribe my way past the guards

705
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,840
i suppose from an improvisation

706
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:04,159
perspective that it's on the dm to say

707
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,840
to have a kind of congruence response of

708
00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:07,520
those npcs

709
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,679
and then also

710
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,919
a mechanical idea of how difficult the

711
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:14,320
dc's should be so

712
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:16,000
i think it helps too and i need to you

713
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,600
know i don't even practice what i preach

714
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,320
really but um

715
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,640
having a solid foundation for

716
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,080
npcs so maybe like a cookie cutter for

717
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,760
town guard

718
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,360
so you're never kind of caught on the

719
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,640
back foot if the players do try and

720
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,120
bribe

721
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,240
pass them is probably a good

722
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:38,000
tip so what most people say is you know

723
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,919
npc should have you know a desire a flaw

724
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,679
even even basic npcs should have one

725
00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:43,520
thing that they desire and it may be

726
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:45,600
money it might be safety it might be

727
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,400
something like that which is okay when

728
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,080
you're world building ahead of the game

729
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,360
but when the players go i'm gonna go

730
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,600
into this place

731
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:56,559
you haven't planned for and i want to do

732
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,360
this it can be difficult to make up a

733
00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:01,279
one-word desire that is enjoyable you

734
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:04,000
know anyone can save money but then

735
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:07,279
suddenly you've got a town full of

736
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,640
ruthless capitalists

737
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,480
which i mean

738
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,000
it sounds kind of cool sounds kind of

739
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,600
dystopian to a certain extent but if

740
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,039
that's not a theme you're going for and

741
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,039
that's not how the town's been up until

742
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,559
this point then it's a bit jarring i

743
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:20,480
suppose so

744
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,840
i guess what i'm getting at is one tip

745
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,640
you can have for those kind of

746
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:27,760
archetypal npcs the police the city

747
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,080
guard that you know generic shopkeeper a

748
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,000
you could have to a certain extent

749
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,960
cookie cutter desires

750
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,039
but

751
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,960
you can't escape improvisation as we

752
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:39,200
started the show with and you're gonna

753
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,400
need to flavor them at some point

754
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,480
you know on the night as it were um yeah

755
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,200
yeah i think i think it can be really it

756
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,679
can be really daunting to do um like

757
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,200
random random people but for me

758
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:54,320
personally like uh

759
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,480
if i'm going to portray a guard or a uh

760
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,360
a guard or townsperson

761
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:02,080
i think about pretty much

762
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:03,600
how i would act in that situation

763
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,480
because like

764
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,200
small

765
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,640
i call them small folk but like

766
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,960
non-adventurers or non-exceptional

767
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,840
characters in your setting are

768
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,520
like the people we know

769
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,840
day in and day out you know they're

770
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,760
normal folks

771
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,679
they might have their own

772
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,200
things they're really interested in but

773
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:26,320
at the same time

774
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,399
at the same time how often do uh

775
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,480
if a random stranger comes up to us on

776
00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:32,799
the on the street and starts talking to

777
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,159
us and asking us for something uh how

778
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:38,640
often do we start revealing our like

779
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:40,559
dreams and aspirations and letting that

780
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,039
dictate how we act and it's like most

781
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:45,279
likely if they don't know you they're

782
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:48,320
gonna be like closed off and just like

783
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:50,559
give you as much information as like

784
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,559
you're looking for um

785
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:54,480
gold's a a good

786
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,000
encourager because like literally

787
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,240
everybody wants gold you don't have to

788
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,240
be super greedy to like

789
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,720
be okay with the handout of course if

790
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,480
you're a guard then it's like oh uh if i

791
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,880
get caught doing this this that could

792
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,320
compromise my job so you think about

793
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,360
it's like well if somebody was going to

794
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,120
give me

795
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,320
uh money

796
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,360
personally

797
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,039
to

798
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,559
do this thing that i'm not supposed to

799
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,200
do

800
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,799
how much what how like how much would it

801
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
take is like

802
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,520
and

803
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,559
their demeanor what they're asking for

804
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,799
it's like

805
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:28,960
and we're also like

806
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,080
when i say like thinking about how i

807
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,080
would act

808
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,000
lots of times it's just like how am i

809
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,880
feeling today

810
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,640
because

811
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,480
if these are real people in this world

812
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,720
they're going to feel different one day

813
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,880
to the next some days they might be more

814
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,640
willing to be a little riskier and

815
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,640
accept that bribe

816
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,240
or some days uh the shopkeeper might

817
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,480
feel be feeling he might be feeling a

818
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,840
little generous and uh

819
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,919
maybe something happened to put him in a

820
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,679
good mood and so it's like yeah sure

821
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:57,919
i'll take that

822
00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:59,840
yeah i'm just trying to think like now

823
00:28:57,919 --> 00:29:02,000
it's it's always i was just about to say

824
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,720
you know dm's out there have fun with

825
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,039
your you know your random npcs but i'm

826
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,320
also really personally strong peer

827
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,399
hypocrite because i'm also really

828
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,039
personally strict on

829
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:14,960
having a world that makes sense and

830
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:16,960
exactly that you said earlier on

831
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,799
an example from one of my games i think

832
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,840
i've mentioned it previously and on the

833
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,279
show is

834
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,640
a player they're right the beginning of

835
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,720
the campaign and they're trying to find

836
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,799
out about a bandit problem typical

837
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,880
fantasy trope and so they literally left

838
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,919
the place where they got the quest in

839
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,159
quotes

840
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:34,559
and literally just questioning like

841
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:37,760
interrogating people on the street what

842
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,760
do you know about the bandit problem

843
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,640
sorry who are you and why are you i'm

844
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,399
just gonna go and buy some apples so

845
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,360
what's what's happening here oh you use

846
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:46,640
this

847
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,039
okay sorry

848
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,039
i guess

849
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,960
so you know what it would you know it

850
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,960
would have been easy to to spiral that

851
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,120
out into well actually i'm a band-aid

852
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,679
investigator i just you know happened to

853
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,840
be the first person you speak to but i'm

854
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:04,480
was kind of using that as a vehicle to

855
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,840
teach the players like this is a real

856
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,520
world you're living in and it's

857
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,760
populated with people who just don't

858
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,360
care you don't know

859
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,679
um i think he ended up asking about

860
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,600
three or four before he finally got the

861
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:16,640
message of okay

862
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,480
literally just

863
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,919
harassing people on the street probably

864
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,600
isn't going to be the way

865
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:23,679
of revealing

866
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,600
the nuances of this geopolitical problem

867
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:27,760
that's happening right now

868
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,679
if any if anything like the most the

869
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,679
most it would accomplish is getting like

870
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:33,200
the guard down the street to like notice

871
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:35,600
this person's going around harassing

872
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,520
people and come over and be like oh

873
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,039
what's going on here

874
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,640
what are you doing just bothering

875
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,159
everybody here bothering everybody

876
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,919
around here

877
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:46,000
and that that could lead that could lead

878
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:47,760
to like the player actually telling the

879
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,360
guard like why they're bothering people

880
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,320
and like oh

881
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,000
well the sergeant or whatever they might

882
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,320
know something about that

883
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,000
come take come walk come along with me

884
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,720
it's like sometimes making a scene works

885
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,360
out but yeah i like to keep in mind when

886
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,279
i'm when like random npcs like the the

887
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,919
random npc walking down the street next

888
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:09,600
to the adventure is way more is

889
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:11,039
probably more concerned with where

890
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,640
they're going than they are about the

891
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,880
adventure

892
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,960
i do like to especially in the big

893
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,360
cities and stuff obviously it's you know

894
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,440
people are just going about their lives

895
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,600
and i think he was asking a group of

896
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,799
sailors and who were just you know

897
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,399
playing cards in some alleyway somewhere

898
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,720
and they were like

899
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:33,120
dude we're on holiday we're on break

900
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,559
right now can you not talk to us you've

901
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,840
ever seen any bandits man i don't even

902
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,600
think about getting back on a ship let

903
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,720
alone any any bandits kind of thing can

904
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,200
you

905
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,880
you you know either up the ante or get

906
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,640
out

907
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,559
yeah they're pro they're more they're

908
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,919
more concerned about not crossing paths

909
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,960
with those bandits than knowing where

910
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:51,039
they are

911
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,440
probably the less they less they know

912
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:58,120
the more they're happy they don't know

913
00:31:53,440 --> 00:32:01,450
yep ignorance is bliss as they say

914
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,450
[Music]

915
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,519
yeah it's it's tricky and

916
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,640
the final piece of that puzzle is dc's

917
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,240
as in

918
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,600
you know okay well let me intimidate

919
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,159
this person

920
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,480
into telling me what i want to know

921
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:23,039
which is a part of improvising it's

922
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,600
probably a unique part of improvising to

923
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,760
you know tabletop rpgs versus

924
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,399
you know acting improvisation you never

925
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,480
have to judge how difficult something is

926
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:33,919
i suppose unless you equate it to a

927
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,760
response the character you're portraying

928
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:38,159
might give to a certain thing you know

929
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,919
are they happy or sad or whatnot but

930
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:43,279
from a purely mechanical perspective

931
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:44,480
it's unique to table shop rpgs of

932
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,919
okay the players are gonna roll

933
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,720
intimidation

934
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:50,880
how high do they have to roll for this

935
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,399
information to come out and

936
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,559
i don't have a silver bullet to that off

937
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:56,880
the top of my head to help anybody or

938
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,559
tips or tricks other than kind of an

939
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,039
amalgamation of what we've said up until

940
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:03,120
this point of you know npcs have a

941
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:04,960
desire that they're going somewhere

942
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,399
they're doing something

943
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,600
and they are of

944
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:08,559
a particular

945
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,519
age

946
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,799
and background and personality and

947
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:16,000
that's

948
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:18,640
use that to judge the dc it's it's a

949
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,720
crappy answer but it's usually cool for

950
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,159
me it's usually an instinctual kind of

951
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,559
okay this is going to be a piece of cake

952
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:27,200
because he's some scared street urchin

953
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:29,279
who just stole an apple off a

954
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,440
cart and doesn't wanna think he's gonna

955
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:33,760
get lynched by the guards yeah

956
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,519
versus the guard captain who's obviously

957
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,240
a battle-hardened

958
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,919
career professional who doesn't take

959
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,200
crap from anybody so

960
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:44,399
i can't i can't say you know that should

961
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,840
be a dc7 versus a dc17 but it's those

962
00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:46,799
kind of judgment calls that you get

963
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,880
better with

964
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,640
experience

965
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,880
my fallback is i don't remember if i

966
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,840
read this in the dm's guide or if i

967
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,200
found it like somewhere else but um a

968
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:02,640
dc10 is something a normal person could

969
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:05,840
do fifty percent of the time uh dc15 is

970
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,640
something a normal person could do if

971
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,320
they

972
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,119
were skilled or if they practiced kind

973
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,359
of thing

974
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,879
i usually fall back on on that sort of

975
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:16,879
like comparison when i'm thinking about

976
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:18,159
something it's like how easy would it be

977
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:21,760
for a

978
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:24,560
normal average person to accomplish this

979
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,000
same task would it be like would they

980
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,000
would they probably be

981
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,960
have a pretty good chance of doing it

982
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,720
like

983
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,440
if you're trying to persuade the guard

984
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:35,760
to accept a bribe it's like how how much

985
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,960
could just like average joe coming off

986
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,119
the street

987
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,440
how like how likely are they would they

988
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:44,720
be to convince that guard to accept a

989
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,240
bribe um probably not very likely they

990
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:48,079
probably have to be a pretty good a

991
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,960
pretty good talker depending on the

992
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,960
guard

993
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,599
very good talker

994
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,800
the more high ranking or like or staunch

995
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,800
the guard is

996
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,599
that probably push it up toward the dc

997
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,400
up towards 20 and but i think even a

998
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,640
basic guard in that situation probably

999
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,160
that's probably at least 15

1000
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,520
even if it's a guard with questionable

1001
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,280
morals because then they still have to

1002
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,160
think about like what happens if i get

1003
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,359
caught um that's a that's a good tip to

1004
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,240
use

1005
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:16,800
a

1006
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:18,880
civilian as your baseline and then you

1007
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,240
can just you know crank it up or down

1008
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,200
from there and then you're almost kind

1009
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,839
of

1010
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,359
party agnostic to that point so your

1011
00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:27,920
party could be level 20 so they could be

1012
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:30,560
level one so the dc is still 15 because

1013
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:34,240
that's how tricky it is to bribe a guard

1014
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:37,119
mm-hmm yeah and i also i also think like

1015
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:38,079
there's no i i rarely feel

1016
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:41,280
like

1017
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:44,240
a dc that's that's the visible by like

1018
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,359
not five is ever necessary i think

1019
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:49,119
usually like a divisible by five uh a

1020
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:52,320
point that's divisible by five it's

1021
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:55,200
usually perfectly fine for nearly any

1022
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,560
situation unless you like are a very

1023
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,560
specific

1024
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,680
unless you unless somehow you figure out

1025
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,680
how it would specifically be less or if

1026
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,520
it's sort of like well maybe if you're

1027
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,119
like waffling on it

1028
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,160
like maybe

1029
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:11,599
maybe a normal person could do this but

1030
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,760
having a little bit of skill might help

1031
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:15,119
then it's like okay dc 12.

1032
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,240
12. yeah

1033
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,320
yeah

1034
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,200
yeah i think for the purposes of what

1035
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,359
we're talking about which is

1036
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,119
improvisation i think it's a real solid

1037
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:25,839
bet just to say yeah as you said say

1038
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:28,000
divisible by five and i think it's you

1039
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:29,520
know it's easy medium hard yeah very

1040
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,359
hard impossible isn't it five ten

1041
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,040
fifteen twenty twenty five kind of thing

1042
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:34,880
and that's probably uh

1043
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,760
yeah specifically for improvisation's

1044
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,800
sake just stick to that and as you said

1045
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,200
maybe tweak it if it's a

1046
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,000
a really ambiguous situation

1047
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,040
yeah

1048
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,880
so i i like to use like passive skills

1049
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,480
more than like the the book like

1050
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,200
outlines like passive investigation

1051
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,520
passive perception i look at like what

1052
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,400
look at the players modifier add that to

1053
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,040
10

1054
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,480
and if there's like no stakes if there's

1055
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,680
nothing that would happen if the player

1056
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,119
would fail

1057
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:08,160
and their 10 and 10 plus their modifier

1058
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:10,640
would satisfy the dc i have in my head i

1059
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,160
don't even want have them roll for it

1060
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,040
because like if they can just keep

1061
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,599
trying it and nothing would change and

1062
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,880
their thing's good enough so like if

1063
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,760
like um

1064
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,599
for instance how in a improv with an npc

1065
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,200
sort of situation like bartering you

1066
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:26,720
know lots of merchants are probably

1067
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,720
familiar with bartering and they're not

1068
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:31,280
going to like just shut up as soon as

1069
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:34,160
somebody tries to lowball them if the

1070
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,960
player goes in and they're like i want

1071
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,480
to

1072
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,359
take this for

1073
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,960
ten percent less uh gold i wanna i'll

1074
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:42,480
give you ten percent less gold for them

1075
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,920
and then i look at like the characters

1076
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,760
persuasion and they have like a plus

1077
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,480
seven and persuasion and in my head i'm

1078
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,119
like that was probably a dc 15. probably

1079
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,960
like yeah no you drive a hard bargain

1080
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,000
he'll give it to you for that much but

1081
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,400
if like

1082
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,119
they try to push it and

1083
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,800
they might start to piss the npc off

1084
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,040
then then you have them roll for it

1085
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,839
because if they fail then the npc just

1086
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:10,000
like maybe increase the price

1087
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:12,720
yeah yeah okay twice the price

1088
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,640
yeah some good advice there i do like

1089
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,320
what you were saying there i need to

1090
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,160
think about incorporating a lot of these

1091
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,800
things into mine i fly by the seat of my

1092
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,920
pants probably too much so uh i probably

1093
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,320
should start to bring in a couple of

1094
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,480
these more frameworky tools than just

1095
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,079
download lying it

1096
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,560
well all the time

1097
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,400
i mean i i say these like as like rules

1098
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,760
of thumb i have but like once you're

1099
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,000
actually going like you're calling

1100
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,920
you're calling audibles on whether

1101
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,599
they're applicable in the situation or

1102
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,800
not what's good things to keep in the

1103
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:45,200
back in the back of my head

1104
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,200
um what are your thoughts on

1105
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,480
a fully

1106
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:53,599
random game a fully improvised game so i

1107
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:56,880
read ages ago of a concept of

1108
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:59,200
everything's random so like the

1109
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,280
player character classes and races are

1110
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,920
rolled and the story is just completely

1111
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,240
improvised it becomes a completely like

1112
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,160
improv comedy you know at that point

1113
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:10,240
rather than a dnd game what are your

1114
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,040
thoughts on that i think it's it's

1115
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:15,440
it's cool it's fine i don't think it

1116
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,480
would be very hard to carry any sort of

1117
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,320
serious tones in the game like that

1118
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,640
i think you're sort of like if you're

1119
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,839
doing a fully random game

1120
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,800
like the only way it would

1121
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:31,040
make narrative sense is if the

1122
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,320
overarching game had a

1123
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,599
a very

1124
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,839
light-hearted

1125
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:39,280
uh tone to it like

1126
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:41,119
like wear a wear a purple worm just

1127
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,599
coming out of a house

1128
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:46,960
a tone where that that's not entirely

1129
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:49,200
unexpected and doesn't break the world

1130
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,680
kind of i think it's got to be like

1131
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,400
goofy to a certain extent yes

1132
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:57,760
human nature of making stuff up as it's

1133
00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,880
a bit silly i think

1134
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,440
i think i think if you tried to put a uh

1135
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,839
put like a serious tone and spin on a

1136
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,240
completely random game

1137
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:10,720
you would still end up with

1138
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:13,760
comical situations just because of the

1139
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:16,000
randomness so it sort of behooves you to

1140
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,560
make the overall tone

1141
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,960
a comedy like you said

1142
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,880
i don't think like that that's sort of

1143
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,640
like yeah that's sort of where i stand

1144
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,359
on that it's um

1145
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,960
it's if you if you match the tone to

1146
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:31,280
suit the fact that everything is going

1147
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,760
to be random it's like go for it

1148
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,760
that that would probably be fun i don't

1149
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,400
know if uh

1150
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:41,119
many people would have the stamina to do

1151
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,920
a long campaign in that manner

1152
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,079
no

1153
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,079
yeah so it's maybe maybe the kind of

1154
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:48,720
thing you want to do either like a one

1155
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,480
shot or like a handful of sessions but a

1156
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,480
little palette cleanser yeah but you

1157
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,960
don't want like you you shouldn't plan

1158
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,160
to get up to like 100 sessions

1159
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,640
of

1160
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,839
pure random god no

1161
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,680
no i can

1162
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:03,119
that would be way too difficult i do i

1163
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,079
do kind of want to try it though just to

1164
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:07,119
kind of

1165
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:08,640
test my improvisational dm chops as to

1166
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,760
see how

1167
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,119
you know what would come out the other

1168
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,880
side it'd be quite interesting to be

1169
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:15,040
like going in blank and coming out and

1170
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,000
being like wow i never

1171
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,000
thought

1172
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,119
that would happen but it's i guess with

1173
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,440
like any

1174
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,359
improv you've kind of got to have

1175
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,119
players who have at least comfortable

1176
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:26,560
doing it because you know obviously

1177
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,680
there's there are people that

1178
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,280
aren't and there are people that

1179
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,720
obviously come to the game for a

1180
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,480
completely different experience but

1181
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,960
you'd absolutely have to have players

1182
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,280
and the dm will be comfortable doing it

1183
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,960
and certainly capable to a certain

1184
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,880
extent

1185
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,359
you know anyone can improvise and then a

1186
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,319
nuke goes off and everybody dies

1187
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,680
great

1188
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:47,359
cool that was fun but obviously the

1189
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,160
intricacies of

1190
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:52,319
yes but or yes and i think as they call

1191
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,040
it isn't it like can you do this yes but

1192
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:57,280
then and this other thing happens

1193
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,280
to keep the story flowing is is

1194
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,720
difficult but so it'll be it'll be

1195
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,560
interesting to see and i think i'd like

1196
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,599
to take part in one one day

1197
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,319
of

1198
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,480
just

1199
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:08,480
yeah giving it silly but keeping it you

1200
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,599
know still an interesting story is it

1201
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,599
really

1202
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:14,319
this is where the beauty lies

1203
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:16,319
i think if anything i think um if

1204
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:19,040
somebody wants to do like a truly random

1205
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:21,200
game i will i would even suggest like

1206
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,280
not using dungeons and dragons fifth

1207
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,480
edition for it yes finding a different

1208
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,160
finding a different system because

1209
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,400
dungeons dragons is

1210
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,440
especially with the way monsters work uh

1211
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,200
it's very much made for um not to be

1212
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,599
completely random

1213
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,440
like the dungeon world that i started

1214
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,800
gming with that would be a good system

1215
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,960
that's sort of like

1216
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,359
dungeons and dragons like

1217
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,680
but much more accommodating to having

1218
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:47,520
random and completely improvised

1219
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,680
situations

1220
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,160
and i've seen a couple indie

1221
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,880
tabletop rpgs that like

1222
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,119
if the taglines for the tabletop rpg are

1223
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,040
narrative focus narrative driven if

1224
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:02,079
that's in the if that's in there it's

1225
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,319
probably pretty good for a brand a truly

1226
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:06,800
random game because

1227
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:09,119
rules light narrative driven those types

1228
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,200
of rpgs are pretty good if you want to

1229
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,400
just like be making stuff up on the fly

1230
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,280
because that's kind of how they're what

1231
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,280
they're built for to be honest um yeah

1232
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,440
there is a lot of obviously framework

1233
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,359
enough to make a podcast out of indian

1234
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,839
d5e so um

1235
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:25,200
yeah i can imagine that would be a

1236
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:28,480
maybe at that level it would be more of

1237
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,000
an impedance than a springboard to help

1238
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,520
you have that kind of game so yeah

1239
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,680
that's that's good i think i think i

1240
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,319
think you could do it in d d5e you just

1241
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,319
have to like be armed with some with

1242
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:40,240
roll tables that's the that's the main

1243
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:43,520
thing is just just be armed with roll

1244
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:44,800
tables uh galore like if you want it to

1245
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,400
be rent if you're going to be random

1246
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,000
because like what are you going to do if

1247
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,359
you want to come up with a monster

1248
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,280
encounter and you're trying to be

1249
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:53,839
completely random are you going to like

1250
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,160
roll uh the number of monsters there are

1251
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:59,040
in the in the monster manual yeah and

1252
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,720
pick one at random yeah yeah

1253
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,040
yeah i see like i was just thinking then

1254
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:04,720
like you said roll tables you'd almost

1255
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,680
have to is the dm say account well i

1256
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,200
know there's going to be this many

1257
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,280
players and i know that they're going to

1258
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,240
be you know level 10 then you could just

1259
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,640
build ahead of time 50 different

1260
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,400
encounters that are scaled easy to hard

1261
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,920
or whatever for that number of players

1262
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,920
at that level but then

1263
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,800
you're almost defeating the i don't know

1264
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,720
it's a fine line there isn't it between

1265
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,000
yeah it being random and improvised

1266
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,839
versus well here's a whole bunch of

1267
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000
stuff i prepared earlier so

1268
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:31,920
at what point does it stop becoming

1269
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,720
improvised and

1270
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,960
yeah

1271
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:37,599
interesting interesting

1272
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,599
so we've talked so far predominantly

1273
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,319
from the dm's perspective which i think

1274
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,680
is

1275
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:43,359
fair because

1276
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,079
the the bulk of

1277
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:47,839
true blank slate improvisation is on the

1278
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,760
dm the players always have their

1279
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:52,079
characters to fall back on and have a

1280
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,240
lot more experience in those characters

1281
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,440
you know four hours a session of playing

1282
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,280
that character

1283
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,920
means they have a lot more time they've

1284
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,720
put in the hours whereas you know the dm

1285
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,720
playing a big nbc they might have 10

1286
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,920
minutes here 10 minutes there half an

1287
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,640
hour here

1288
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,560
okay that's still less than an hour over

1289
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,359
maybe a year-long campaign

1290
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,480
so

1291
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:14,319
it's a completely different

1292
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,520
improvisation environment

1293
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:18,400
yeah so

1294
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,359
yeah let's let's move on to players

1295
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,920
and

1296
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:23,839
i do you play at all or do you slowly dm

1297
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,839
i play yeah i

1298
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:29,119
id i d um uh

1299
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:32,000
my own campaign and my for my buddy

1300
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:34,800
we also i also stream his games as well

1301
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,440
i play in his games so

1302
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,720
cool so you'll have some experience here

1303
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,480
so

1304
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:42,880
i was just thinking

1305
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,880
i've called it in my notes campfire talk

1306
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,119
and what i mean by that is

1307
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,960
yeah player character is interacting

1308
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,839
with each other yeah and i was thinking

1309
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,040
that's

1310
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:52,640
that is

1311
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,160
outside of the weird wacky random game

1312
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,319
we were just talking about

1313
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,400
pcs talking to other pcs is about a

1314
00:45:56,319 --> 00:46:00,480
purest form of

1315
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,560
improvisation as you can get because

1316
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,880
it's it's the stakes are

1317
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,040
typically relatively low there's no you

1318
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,920
know dm hangovers of god this path you

1319
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,920
know this

1320
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,599
nbc has to never say this and has to

1321
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,359
absolutely say that there's none of that

1322
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,520
it's literally just pure kind of two

1323
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:17,760
characters talking to each other

1324
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:21,040
campfire talk is like

1325
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,119
is tough because um

1326
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,040
i i think you kept fire talk sort of

1327
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:29,920
like branches out into just general like

1328
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,520
inter-character role-playing in all that

1329
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,040
you encounter like everywhere in the

1330
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,280
game um

1331
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,920
and i think that's that's

1332
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,160
a lot of people starting out with d d

1333
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,880
and role-playing in general have a hard

1334
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,480
time with inter-character

1335
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,079
role-playing

1336
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,599
because um

1337
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,800
when you start the game you're given the

1338
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,000
sheet

1339
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,720
and the met like the mental impression

1340
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,720
of when you look at the sheet is like

1341
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,319
this is my character

1342
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,000
and it's like these are his this is

1343
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:02,800
these are their stats

1344
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,640
these are the magic abilities they have

1345
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,520
these are the what how good they are

1346
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,040
swinging a sword and then then like you

1347
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,599
flip over it and then there's like a

1348
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,880
little blurb about the background and

1349
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,200
that's it

1350
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,920
the earliest experience as a player has

1351
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,720
with d that when they first sit down to

1352
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,200
play

1353
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:23,040
is mechanical stuff

1354
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,200
so it's it's one of the one of the

1355
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,160
hardest things for players to learn is

1356
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,160
how to how to actually like be in

1357
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,400
character and like

1358
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,520
have a conversation between two

1359
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,960
characters

1360
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,960
and i think there's

1361
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,839
that's having a conversation between two

1362
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,319
characters is like a step up even from

1363
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:44,400
like that's what my character would do

1364
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:46,079
kind of things where like your character

1365
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,319
decides what they're going to do like

1366
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:50,640
i'm going to go find this thing like

1367
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:52,800
sets an objective and goes and executes

1368
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,480
that objective interacting with the game

1369
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:59,760
world interacting with another character

1370
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:02,640
is um even deeper level than that

1371
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,839
if i were to make a tip for how to be

1372
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,680
better with campfire talk and

1373
00:48:04,839 --> 00:48:09,359
inter-character conversations is to

1374
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,760
relax and

1375
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:13,119
not don't think about like what would my

1376
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,359
character do

1377
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,800
and just have a conversation with the

1378
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:18,240
person

1379
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,960
across the table

1380
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:23,040
and just keeping in mind

1381
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,480
what the character knows

1382
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:29,359
be yourself and like sort of try to work

1383
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,280
uh things about your character in there

1384
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:32,800
it helps to have a character with a

1385
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,880
quirk

1386
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,000
with quirks that you can sort of like

1387
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,559
play up

1388
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,119
but it's it's definitely not necessary

1389
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:44,319
in my opinion i don't think many people

1390
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:46,720
expect you to put on oscar performance

1391
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:48,640
of um

1392
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:51,839
an oscar performance of your care of

1393
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,359
being so convincingly your character

1394
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:55,920
that um

1395
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:58,240
like the the race is all doubt you know

1396
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,200
you're you're at a table with friends

1397
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:04,319
and just relax if you think about it

1398
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,839
like um it'll sort of organically build

1399
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:07,839
on itself

1400
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:09,520
because like when when you start off the

1401
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:10,319
game your characters don't know each

1402
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,720
other

1403
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:14,480
and they're not going to sit down by the

1404
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:18,240
fire and just start

1405
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:21,359
sharing their inner turmoils and caveats

1406
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,240
about their dad when they were a child

1407
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:24,319
yeah

1408
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:26,480
they're going to like make small talk

1409
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:28,640
and small talk is going to be awkward

1410
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,640
it's like it's going to be so if you're

1411
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,640
if your campfire talk and inner

1412
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,680
character dialogue is awkward that's

1413
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,000
fine it's normal it's natural if

1414
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,359
anything it's more believable

1415
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,960
um yeah

1416
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:42,880
that's really nice

1417
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,119
way there and i'm hoping that will make

1418
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,720
some anxious players out there feel a

1419
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:48,319
little bit more

1420
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:52,800
comfortable with

1421
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:55,200
that intimidating onus of god i am now

1422
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:58,559
you know in the spotlight and

1423
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:01,200
i now have to perform uh

1424
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,200
i go to bed

1425
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,559
which is like you get out of jail free

1426
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,920
card but you can't always you know it's

1427
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,920
gonna happen at some point and as you

1428
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,800
said just kind of you know relax and

1429
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,480
just

1430
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,880
approach it as

1431
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,280
a person would do i think

1432
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,040
a lot of people get in their heads this

1433
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,480
image and it's fair enough of their

1434
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,280
character being

1435
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,280
some

1436
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,880
superhero right and they are to a

1437
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,200
certain extent but

1438
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,680
superman was still clark kent and still

1439
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,000
you know went and did a day job right so

1440
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,680
he still had to interact with people

1441
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,680
normally

1442
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,800
as do as do player characters right

1443
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,599
they've still got to you know they can't

1444
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,960
just go into the shop and fly around and

1445
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,800
shoot lightning bolts from their hands

1446
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,800
because that's still

1447
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,319
not normal and you know and still you

1448
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,599
know you want to talk about your

1449
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:48,800
thoughts and your feelings and you've

1450
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:50,319
still got to just say like hey what do

1451
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,240
you want for dinner

1452
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:54,480
because i'm getting hella tired of these

1453
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:56,160
rations that we've had

1454
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,119
and like picking

1455
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,599
piggybacking on that analogy um like in

1456
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:05,359
the justice league like superman and

1457
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:08,319
batman had like a rapport they weren't

1458
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:09,920
uh acting like superheroes to each other

1459
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:12,240
like since they were both superheroes

1460
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,200
they were acting like people to each

1461
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,040
other

1462
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,520
yeah that's that's that is a good

1463
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,359
analogy yeah yeah i think i did some

1464
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,280
conversations been some of my players

1465
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:22,720
have been quite

1466
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,559
stilted

1467
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:26,559
and i think it's just taking them

1468
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:28,400
that as you said that kind of learning

1469
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:31,040
period of

1470
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,800
in in character of getting to a stage so

1471
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,800
they have that familiarity with each

1472
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,680
other where they can just

1473
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,440
chat and not be like

1474
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,319
how are you going to react if i ask this

1475
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,839
thing

1476
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:43,280
they're still kind of slowly testing the

1477
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:45,119
waters there of

1478
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,160
so so we've got a

1479
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:49,839
death cleric who is

1480
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,359
has a lot more experience with the game

1481
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:53,359
relative to the other players so he's

1482
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:54,960
obviously a lot more familiar with that

1483
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:56,240
kind of stuff that his death cleric is

1484
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,960
very

1485
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:00,319
uh obviously a death cleric

1486
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,160
without putting too much of a finer

1487
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:03,280
point on it they're not hiding that from

1488
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,880
anybody

1489
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,280
and so he's obviously very flashy he's

1490
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,400
got like he's got like skull motifs and

1491
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,400
carries a scythe like

1492
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,800
there's no hiding that factor

1493
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,559
he wears it quite proudly and it it's

1494
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,800
his gimmick as you said

1495
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:20,240
and leans into it quite heavily

1496
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,760
we have another player who is a

1497
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:26,480
completely new new player who is a

1498
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,160
sorcerer the storm so there's you know

1499
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,720
not quite

1500
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,680
as clear a motif

1501
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,760
there

1502
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,200
even from you know an experienced player

1503
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,119
you'd have to kind of

1504
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,040
take some quite tenuous links to be like

1505
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,960
oh well there's the storm cloud overhead

1506
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,400
of you know something like that this was

1507
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,520
on a bit of an uphill struggle as it is

1508
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,119
anyway but in the one of the last

1509
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,960
sessions of that

1510
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,400
sorcerer who was a bit of a hermit for

1511
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,359
you know 100 years and whatnot has

1512
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,480
basically

1513
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:56,160
seen the death cleric casting a ritual

1514
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,920
spell for 10 minutes

1515
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:02,079
so he's saying incantations he's praying

1516
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:04,079
and the sorceress come over and said hey

1517
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,400
can i look over your shoulder and just

1518
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:08,640
kind of like watch what you do because

1519
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,599
i'm trying to understand how this magic

1520
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,839
stuff

1521
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,480
works and you clearly know how it works

1522
00:53:12,839 --> 00:53:16,880
so

1523
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,280
so that was a kind of quite a sweet

1524
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,599
interaction there that had no

1525
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,760
like i did not galvanize that as the dm

1526
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,839
at all that was that's completely

1527
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,559
on my players to which the cleric was

1528
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:30,079
like

1529
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:31,440
yeah i yeah i guess like but

1530
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,520
let me know if you want to know more

1531
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,800
because i'm always looking for people to

1532
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,480
join our cause kind of thing

1533
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,240
so yeah that stuff

1534
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,040
can happen i guess you know as players

1535
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,680
just

1536
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,319
as you said just be chill

1537
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,359
just approach it as you would do and

1538
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:49,599
i think

1539
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:52,319
the stereotype or the trope of a lot of

1540
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:53,839
players first characters are caricatures

1541
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:56,000
of themselves

1542
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:58,640
is true and a trope for a reason and

1543
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,480
because it's that entry way into okay

1544
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,319
but how would how would we talk about

1545
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,920
this at this point and it's way way way

1546
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:05,680
easier to just say well how would down

1547
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,040
low talk about it at this point

1548
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,119
so lean on that is what i would say

1549
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:14,720
i also think like if it when it's the

1550
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:16,079
first character having a quote-unquote a

1551
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:19,599
like a dumb

1552
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:22,079
like trope character is helpful

1553
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:24,480
because it helps detach you from the

1554
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:26,640
character's actions and it's more like

1555
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,720
goofing off to play as the character

1556
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:31,599
than it is like to try and like that

1557
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:34,480
have that extra vulnerability of like

1558
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:36,799
portraying yourself in a different world

1559
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:40,319
yeah it's it's easier to be like sheldon

1560
00:54:36,799 --> 00:54:42,000
cooper from big bang than it is to be

1561
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:44,160
someone serious from some serious show

1562
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,720
that i'm not familiar with

1563
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,400
yeah and and like i think uh sometimes

1564
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:50,559
people get uh

1565
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,960
you people people hate on tropey

1566
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:54,880
characters sometimes but i think

1567
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,480
actually like trophy characters they'd

1568
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,160
never stay tropy because the campaign

1569
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,359
goes on for a while and that character

1570
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,040
is going to be in all kinds of

1571
00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:06,480
situations and they're not going to be

1572
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:09,280
silly in all of those situations and as

1573
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,440
uh the way your your character starts

1574
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:15,280
doesn't define the depth they're going

1575
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:17,200
to have like 30 sessions from now

1576
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,799
so it's okay to be start out to have a

1577
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,480
trope for your character when you're

1578
00:55:18,799 --> 00:55:22,960
starting out that's fine it's they're

1579
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,760
going to develop as the game goes on and

1580
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,680
they won't be as exclusively trophy

1581
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,839
they'll probably still have those quirks

1582
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,640
and that personality but there'll be

1583
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:34,960
more going on up there than just

1584
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,240
loud goblin hmm

1585
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,319
that's a really good

1586
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,520
i think sound by there of

1587
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:42,160
the way you made your character at the

1588
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,960
start doesn't define their potential

1589
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,720
and

1590
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,839
yeah keep all those doors open because

1591
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,599
who knows what's going to happen during

1592
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:48,640
the campaign and then

1593
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,839
wow

1594
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,520
it's just that real life right every

1595
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:53,920
every experience you have shapes you and

1596
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,920
colors you a little bit and you know use

1597
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,400
what the dm gives you

1598
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,839
session by session to shape and

1599
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,240
color your character so you know how

1600
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:03,520
they will react to certain situations

1601
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,920
yeah

1602
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,760
so i had a question for you in about

1603
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,440
player improvisation but in your

1604
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,559
capacity as a dm

1605
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,280
so

1606
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,359
do you have any thoughts on

1607
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,599
you know as we alluded to earlier some

1608
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:20,480
players maybe not being as comfortable

1609
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,720
with improvising so for example you know

1610
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,440
you might have one player go up to a

1611
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:28,000
a shop and do the bartering and be like

1612
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,720
ah no sir i won't take anything more

1613
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,559
than

1614
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:32,400
50 off and

1615
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:33,680
you fool and doing all that and you

1616
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,480
might have another player that's just

1617
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,000
like

1618
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,680
i want to buy this

1619
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,920
and you know like

1620
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,920
you'll try and instigate a conversation

1621
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,520
like i can see you're an adventurer like

1622
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,440
where have you been on your travels and

1623
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,040
and why do you want that potion and

1624
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,000
they're just like um

1625
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,880
i just i just want that potion like how

1626
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,559
do you

1627
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,000
deal with deal with that sounds like you

1628
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,839
could need to get rid of them but you

1629
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,880
know how do you manage

1630
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:01,760
how do you support them i suppose my my

1631
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,720
usual my usual response is to

1632
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,880
if i can tell that they're like not a

1633
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:08,720
prioritizing rp

1634
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,440
uh being in character

1635
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:14,480
um just like every once in a while just

1636
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,960
being like okay how do they do that

1637
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,520
for instance for going to your your

1638
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,920
example like i might say okay you walk

1639
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,960
to the back of the shop say they're

1640
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,799
there to get like 100 feet of rope i say

1641
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,119
like okay you go you walk to the back of

1642
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:31,040
the shop and you find a basket with a

1643
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:33,520
bunch of rope on it and it has this

1644
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:36,000
price on it and i just thought about

1645
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:38,400
right now is like if i wanted to get the

1646
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,640
player to rp a little bit in this

1647
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,280
situation i might

1648
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:46,079
put a price tag on the rope in the

1649
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:49,680
basket that's like

1650
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:52,079
like 150 percent the cost of a rope in

1651
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,760
the player's handbook

1652
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:56,640
and now there's that little incentive

1653
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,400
for the player to like go up and try to

1654
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,319
try to they're like i don't want to pay

1655
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,240
a hundred i don't want to pay 150

1656
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:04,079
percent of the cost

1657
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,040
yeah but um

1658
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,000
i think

1659
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,799
my main

1660
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,680
theory is just to like not put down the

1661
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:13,520
hammer and be you have to just like

1662
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,240
describe how your character does

1663
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,799
everything but just like just give them

1664
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,680
nudges every once in a while especially

1665
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:23,280
if you're to sort of pull them into one

1666
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,480
on one hand you're pulling them into the

1667
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,559
narrative a little bit and getting the

1668
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,359
influencing their theater of the mind

1669
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:31,040
like

1670
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:33,839
when you remind a player

1671
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,760
how does your character do that you're

1672
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:38,160
sort of putting their headspace back

1673
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,400
into the world and they're like um i

1674
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,760
guess even if they're just like uh i

1675
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,720
yell it

1676
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,559
at

1677
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,960
so and so

1678
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:49,520
then like that's still like if if

1679
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,680
they're super standoffish with rp just

1680
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,000
i'm saying i yell it at so and so that's

1681
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,520
already like that's already just that

1682
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,760
little bit more

1683
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,200
in character in the world and just like

1684
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:04,240
i guess another tip i would have for

1685
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:07,520
that is to is to reward and celebrate um

1686
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:08,400
rp yeah when a character does something

1687
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,559
like

1688
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,040
like even if a character is just like i

1689
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:15,520
attack with my sword um

1690
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:18,000
i look i love the

1691
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,799
it's almost it's a meme at this point

1692
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:23,520
but um because of how well known it is

1693
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:26,799
when matt says how are you gonna do this

1694
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,960
um that's a chance for the character to

1695
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:31,359
uh what instead of just

1696
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,160
okay they have no hp pick up the piece

1697
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:34,880
to take it off the map next um

1698
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,799
to

1699
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,960
like give the character a chance to

1700
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:41,839
shine like you like make them make them

1701
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,440
be really cool and if and some people

1702
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:45,839
aren't like good at coming up with

1703
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:48,400
something and that at that point then

1704
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:50,880
you sort of do it for you just like get

1705
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,960
get whatever minimal input they give and

1706
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,200
then you like embellish it yeah blow it

1707
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,119
up and make them and try try to make

1708
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:00,079
them feel really cool and

1709
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:02,000
uh good about how they're doing things

1710
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,119
in the theater of the mind

1711
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,880
kind of thing

1712
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:07,040
yeah some really really good points

1713
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,200
there like i'm gonna go through them in

1714
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,640
reverse order so the that how do you

1715
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,640
want to do this is

1716
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,839
like players always are asking me like

1717
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,760
can i go for the eyes can i go and

1718
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:17,359
hamstring so on and so on you can't do

1719
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,040
that stuff normally within the rules is

1720
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:21,280
written because it's you know breaks the

1721
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,960
action economy and whatnot but

1722
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,720
that how do you want to do this that's

1723
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,720
the player's opportunity to do that

1724
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,839
weird and wacky stuff that you can't you

1725
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:32,960
know really do rules as written so just

1726
01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:34,480
go ham like do a backflip jump around

1727
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,160
decapitate them

1728
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,319
you know whatever you want to do use

1729
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,000
that to really flavor your character

1730
01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:41,200
because that's that's your opportunity

1731
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,240
to do so

1732
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:48,160
we were fighting in a game before

1733
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,920
lockdown and my barbarian paladin dps

1734
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,520
machine got the killing blowing like a

1735
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,520
mini boss that happened to be the father

1736
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,119
of one of the player characters so i

1737
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,680
basically said okay i'm not gonna

1738
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:59,760
kill him because it's the the father of

1739
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,680
the person and maybe they want to talk

1740
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,880
to them so i was like dm instead of

1741
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,160
like killing them can i just like you

1742
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,000
know kick him in the back of the legs

1743
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,359
and put my mace around his neck and just

1744
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,839
kind of hold him

1745
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:11,200
basically on his knees and say okay they

1746
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:12,640
go other player character this is your

1747
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,119
chance now to you know

1748
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,960
reconcile with your father oh i can snap

1749
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:18,480
his neck but i'm

1750
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,520
it's it's up to you kind of thing so

1751
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,720
yeah that's

1752
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,160
use that how do you want to do this

1753
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,680
isn't just

1754
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,839
player characters

1755
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,319
say something stupid it's

1756
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:30,079
that is your like a golden opportunity

1757
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:31,760
to flavor your character and to make

1758
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:33,520
them stand out that's your that's your

1759
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,440
moment in the spotlight to say okay

1760
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:38,000
here's my badass time

1761
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,559
yeah you can also bring out the way your

1762
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,680
character is really well too because

1763
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,280
like you know

1764
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,200
more of

1765
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,839
how you do it

1766
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,680
is sort of how the the way you want the

1767
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:51,359
k the player wants their character to

1768
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,839
look like that's what that's what their

1769
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:56,160
ideal character is

1770
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:57,520
and going back to like uh you know

1771
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,559
somebody says i want to shoot them in

1772
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,440
the eyes kind of thing uh i usually just

1773
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:04,319
like

1774
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:07,760
be like okay you can try and let the

1775
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:10,240
dice determine if they succeed like

1776
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,000
um it's like if they roll okay they need

1777
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,000
first they need to roll hit and like if

1778
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,160
somebody wants to shoot them in the eye

1779
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,559
they need to not only roll the hit but

1780
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,559
also roll like pretty good damage if

1781
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:23,680
they want to like [ __ ] them in some

1782
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:24,960
way and like them shooting in the eye

1783
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,200
shooting the thing in the eye doesn't

1784
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,920
really need to uh

1785
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,839
impact the mechanics at all it might

1786
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,039
impact how you play

1787
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:34,559
the thing

1788
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:36,559
but it uh

1789
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:39,280
it doesn't need to like impact the

1790
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:41,839
mechanics of like what the stat block of

1791
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:44,240
the creature at all but you can still

1792
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:46,960
like say like you shoot the giant lizard

1793
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:49,039
in the eye and like they roll

1794
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,520
they say they critically hit and deal a

1795
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:53,440
lot of damage absolutely you shot the

1796
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,440
giant lizard in the eye

1797
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,200
yeah for sure yeah and i really liked

1798
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,440
your comment earlier on about

1799
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,599
raising the price of an item kind of

1800
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,200
forcing the hand of the player to have

1801
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,799
to improvise a little bit there but the

1802
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,440
reason why i like it so much is because

1803
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:07,680
it

1804
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,039
makes sense in game

1805
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,880
like it's it's

1806
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:13,119
no one would know that you're using that

1807
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,799
as a tool in your dms toolkit to

1808
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,799
encourage that player to improvise a

1809
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:18,640
little bit because it's all

1810
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:20,480
in game and you're kind of flying under

1811
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,760
the radar there and you can totally just

1812
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,280
like no that's just that that was just

1813
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,039
that npc

1814
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,319
whereas in you know behind you like yes

1815
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:28,400
that guy's kind of coming out with

1816
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:30,400
sheldon is you know improvising and

1817
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,240
that's that's that's that's just lovely

1818
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,440
that's just perfect

1819
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,880
is it is there anything else you wanted

1820
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,240
to talk about

1821
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,200
um

1822
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:41,839
i i've we've talked about a whole lot

1823
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,880
we it's like it's d like we could we

1824
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:44,400
could talk

1825
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,720
forever

1826
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,720
yep

1827
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,400
but unfortunately we have a time limit

1828
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:54,079
to a deity so um

1829
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,480
in that case then is there anything else

1830
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:59,760
you want to plug at all or promote if

1831
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:02,160
you want to check out uh my games at idm

1832
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:06,480
and my and my friends dms you can check

1833
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:09,200
us out at twitch.tv slash eos riconto

1834
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:11,039
pretty small right now but um

1835
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,559
the the channel was originally just sort

1836
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:14,640
of like a personal channel for me to

1837
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:18,319
share with friends our

1838
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:20,720
our games but 2021 i'm gonna try and put

1839
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:23,680
more stuff together and maybe get some

1840
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:25,119
more campaigns going and and once once

1841
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,039
those plans are in motion i'll be

1842
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:29,039
looking for some players and if people

1843
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:30,960
are around and they're liking what i got

1844
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:33,440
maybe awesome well if involved

1845
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,960
defensively dming me at 2 am then uh

1846
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,520
yeah

1847
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:41,319
do you well i mean i could do it i don't

1848
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,319
know if the rest of the players

1849
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,720
um

1850
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,559
yeah i'd recommend everybody to check

1851
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,799
out daniel's stuff because clearly after

1852
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:50,319
today he knows what he's talking about

1853
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:52,960
so yeah thank you again for joining us

1854
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:55,359
daniel thank you it's been a pleasure

1855
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:58,880
yep lovely awesome um thank you all for

1856
01:04:55,359 --> 01:05:00,720
listening at home as usual any thoughts

1857
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,680
questions tips tricks all that usual

1858
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:06,160
stuff you can find me easiliest on

1859
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,400
twitter at download underscore dnd

1860
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:10,530
otherwise thank you all for listening

1861
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:15,719
and good night

1862
01:05:10,530 --> 01:05:15,719
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