Homebrew

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hello and welcome to thinking critically

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a d and d discussion a podcast where we

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deep dive single word concepts or ideas

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within the dungeons and dragons 5e

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framework

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my name is danilo and i like all kinds

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of games and the crunchy mechanics that

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make him tick you can find me on twitter

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facebook and instagram and i'd really

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appreciate a like or a follow today's

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topic is

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homebrew

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and i'm joined by kyle wagner sotty aka

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mr bakudan thank you ever so much for

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joining us kyle can you tell us a little

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bit about yourself

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uh yeah absolutely my name is kyle

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wagner toddy i'm 29 years old and i have

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been playing dungeon the dragons since

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mid high school so about

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2014 i believe

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uh i published a couple of things on

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dm's guild i'm up to about seven

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products right now

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uh and i honestly have been home brewing

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the essentially my entire dung of the

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dragon's career

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wow that's a lot

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of homebrew in that case

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which it means that you are the expert

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you're the perfect person to have on for

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today's topic of homebrew so with that

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in mind what is that what does that word

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mean to you at its highest level within

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the dnd 5e or just the dnd framework so

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i actually started with dungeon of the

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dragon's fourth edition

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and i didn't even know anything about

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like forgotten realms or dragon lance or

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anything

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anything like that uh the very first

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setting i was ever induced to was a

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homebrew setting so i just assumed

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that's just the way the thunder dragon

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this is played you just make up

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everything

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so essentially for me what home brewing

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is is that it is

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the custom creation and modifying of

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using the set rule sets within dungeon

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the dragons to

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create what you want or you feel like

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done to the dragon's needs for example i

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don't like the limited number of magic

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items within fifth edition so i just

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brought all of fourth edition into fifth

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i had a look at those and yep by golly

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that is a large number of items you

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brought across um

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so why don't we start there then can you

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tell us a little bit about you know the

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process behind that i i imagine there's

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got to be some kind of translation that

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has to happen between 4th edition and

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5th edition and you know full disclosure

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my experience is unfortunately limited

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to fifth edition so please educate me on

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that process

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oh yeah that's totally fine uh fourth

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edition was

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more of a war gaming kind of edition of

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dungeons dragons like you had a lot of

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customization regarding magic items and

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there were tons of classes and races and

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every class basically had like their own

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customization regarding like they each

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had their own spell lists essentially

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like even warriors and uh

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essentially the magic items were

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basically like an mmorpg where you just

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had tons and tons and tons of different

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types of magic items

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and the conversion process

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i believe there's a conversion document

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that was first released with fifth

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edition

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like when you wanted to convert fourth

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edition into fifth they gave you a

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document to help you with that and that

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helped out about a lot but mostly it was

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like some of the things in fourth

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edition just don't directly translate

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into fifth

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uh so you kind of have to

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keep the spirit of the item essentially

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while also making it balanced and

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workable within fifth edition itself

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yeah that keeping the spirit of the item

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or the design intent like i know what

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this item

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is meant to do the ideal of what design

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is meant to do so translating that

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across yeah i imagine some things are

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going to have to fall by the wayside if

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there's no

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direct translation just like in human

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languages sometimes it's not one single

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word to translate an idea or a concept

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from what i've seen it's an impressive

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volume and of course my knowledge of

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your homebrew is limited to the the item

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vault to the the fourier translations

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so how did that realization come to you

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i suppose of hey i'm starting to play 5e

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oh my gosh there's not enough items here

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is that literally how it went or was

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there more to it than that

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um so a funny thing what happened was

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happening at my workplace was that

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there was a lot of time in between times

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i would work so i would i'd literally

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have nothing to do

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before i even started getting into fifth

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edition i just started running a fourth

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edition campaign with my coworkers

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and then they were like i mean this is

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kind of complex and i had seen fifth

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edition books and i thought uh i don't

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like the art i'm going back to fourth

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yeah yeah

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that was funny but i decided to take a

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second look at fifth and i'm like okay i

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really like this now i've seen the rule

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sets it make it's way simpler

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my players will probably like it more

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but there's really not a lot of magic

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items so

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because i had so much time in between my

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work i was literally bringing my fourth

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edition books with me to work

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and in between work i was converting

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those items into fifth edition

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and i i didn't even have intentions of

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publishing it it was just like this is

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something i can do

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while i'm waiting for work

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yeah okay well i'm glad you did uh have

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that change your heart because

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i'm looking forward to getting my uh my

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teeth into some of those

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i like having more options although i

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must admit that i use dnd beyond to

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filter down and search for some items

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and sometimes there can be

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a lot there

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but i'm always up for variety and

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having all sorts of different choices

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and i think one of the huge benefits i

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like of homebrew is catching

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players who might be potentially a

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little bit more knowledgeable around you

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know the rulebook and items and and

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monsters and oh i know this is a

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basilisk so don't look it in the eye

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that kind of thing um

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catching them off guard with the random

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items that they've never ever ever seen

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before

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is something i relish a lot likewise

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with creatures so so that's a good point

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you brought up there of uh when you

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started you didn't intend for that to be

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published it was just a personal project

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do you think there's a difference

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designing homebrew for

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the public and for private use for lack

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of a better term

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i would definitely say there is when

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you're designing something for a product

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that can be sold

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you typically want to have a couple of

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more sets of eyes on it like i have an

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editor and that editor is godsent

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because they give me mechanic advice and

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edit my terrible terrible english

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writing

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i use way too many commas but yeah

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essentially it's good to have a second

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set of eyes

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on a balance

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for

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people are more likely to purchase a

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product or like a product if it's well

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balanced and it's well reviewed

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compared to

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just

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introducing something in a personal game

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you can get away with a little bit more

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craziness and a less uh some less

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review basically like less balance

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because you could just balance it mid

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game on the fly yeah yeah which is

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something i do with the non-home

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creatures enough so

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okay you're gonna have to give me the

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details of your editor then because i'm

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gonna need some assistance

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at some point

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uh so yeah i'm

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in a

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somewhat of a similar position so

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my d d experience i started as a player

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i really

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threw myself into it into the mechanics

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into the rules and a bit of a an

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obsessive personality in that respect so

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the bridge between player and dm was a

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very short one

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and also i'm

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i can be creative not artistically i

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can't draw anything ever but in terms of

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worlds that was very attractive to me so

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world building in the most literal

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definition of you know let me put a

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world together and see how it fits

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together and make some kind of

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entertaining narrative that some players

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might eventually go down

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the way i built it was

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compartmentalized and i mentioned it on

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previous episodes where it's basically

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six or seven self-contained chapters or

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arcs that the players go through in

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whatever order they choose to after

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running

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one i was like hey that because i've

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inadvertently made them

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self-contained they're actually kind of

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a good fit to be a

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published inverted quotes module so what

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i'm getting is where i am now is part

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way through writing

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up what i would consider a chapter in my

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three four year campaign

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but i have found that

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a lot more difficult than i originally

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anticipated and it's gone from man

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i think i'm okay with this and this was

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pretty funny my players enjoyed it so

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hey let's let's get other people

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enjoying it too

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and then i sit at the keyboard

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and i'm just like

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what the hell am i writing here what the

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heck is meant to be coming out with me

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right now

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so i don't know if that's

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like a

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that transition from something you've

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done at home to something you might have

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tried to get published is it similar one

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or am i just uh an idiot

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oh no no yeah i mean when you're writing

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for

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something to be published especially

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like an adventure which i just recently

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did myself

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one of the major things that i learned

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you have to write

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as if you're explaining it for another

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dm

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normally as a dm you're you're usually

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just explaining things to players but

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when you're actually writing it down for

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something to be published and other

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people to look at you have to view it

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from

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okay this is what the dm is going to

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need specifically need for this section

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of the adventure or the campaign or the

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setting and this is what your players

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might do or

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oh here's some good advice and it's just

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there's a whole another it's like

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another part of your brain you have to

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use when you're writing something

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compared to when you're running it

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yeah and that part of my brain i think i

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need to train

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a little bit more it's very easy for me

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to adjudicate on the fly as we mentioned

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there like you know fluffing dc's or

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numbers or stats or whatnot that comes

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relatively easy to me and i'm quite

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comfortable in doing it and then as soon

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as i'm having to concrete it on paper

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and say no the the dc for this check is

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17

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i'm immediately second guessing myself

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and being like

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seven is that right 17 are you sure down

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the line is he sure you don't want that

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to be 15 or is that gonna you know

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and i have to stop myself from getting a

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blooming spreadsheet out to work out the

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margin of you know the percent chance of

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success depending on party stats

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i mean luckily like the dungeon master's

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guide usually all of those resources

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online and the books usually have

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great things like if you're in this tier

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this dc is usually pretty good for what

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you're expecting

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like even the dungeon master screen

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that i have actually posted above my

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computer it literally just gives you a

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dc for

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easy hard difficult very easy yeah

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and you could just use that as a

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baseline for

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okay if they're around this then this

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might be the ideal dc

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yes yeah the 5 10 15 20

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25 and 30. i think broadly the numbers

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yeah for those yeah you're very easy to

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almost impossible

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so uh yeah as i said i'm halfway through

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writing that and it's taking a million

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times longer and

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i am personally struggling with you know

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where do i draw the line between you

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know how many npcs do i want to put in

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and you know how many points of interest

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do i want to put in are these just

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unnecessary noise that gets in the way

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of

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the dm running this or are these

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vital components that the dm needs to

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flesh out the world because the reason

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they're playing a module like this is

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because i don't really want to do that

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i would say

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in this particular instance i would say

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that it's probably best that you include

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what you feel is absolutely necessary

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and then if you feel those are npcs are

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absolutely necessary then go ahead and

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add them

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but essentially

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like the the best thing about any type

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of work like any campaign any adventure

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is that the dm always has the ability to

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say

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no i don't like that i'm changing that

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or oh this will work better for my

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campaign or my setting or maybe this

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particular deity i have in mind or i

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want to introduce this particular npc

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that's going to be a reoccurring so i'm

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going to use this one instead of that

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one the beautiful thing is is that

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don't ever feel like that you're giving

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them

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too much information

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because of the fact that they can either

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ignore it or change it

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okay that's good advice and we'll

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try and keep in the back of my head when

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i'm rattling away at the keyboard you

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know turning out

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potentially garbage so you did you

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mentioned there perhaps accidentally but

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dm's guild as a

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platform to publish now again you got

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more experience here you opened with

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listing off a couple of the settings

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like uh grey hawk uh forgotten realms

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that kind of stuff

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here's where i'm going to show my

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naivety

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perhaps and

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how late i am to the party and that yeah

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i came to dnd and it was 5e play

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sandbook dmg monster manual

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okay fine

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here's my world on building and then

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when i looked at the rules on dm's guild

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they were quite

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precise with things you can and can't

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include

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and if you're building a setting it

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can't be on

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dm's guild but it can be on something

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else depending on the license and

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you can home brew other things as long

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as they don't include items you know

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elements from

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i think it was spell jammer and i think

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i posted it even on reddit on the dm's

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guild reddit and said guys i'm i'm

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really not super comfortable with what

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these rules are and the last thing i

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want is to invest all this time and

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effort post it and it gets taken down

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tomorrow because i've inadvertently

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mentioned a spell that is in some

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archived tome from third edition that is

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that is taboo to be used and dm's guild

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so i don't know if you can if you've got

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any thoughts or guidance around that

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because honestly they're like don't you

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spell jammer as if i should know what

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that is and i replied being like i

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i've literally never heard that term

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before so how do i know to avoid it

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so luckily

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it's just like when you're referencing

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specific things okay now there are

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tons of places that you could

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technically publish

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uh i typically use the dm's guild

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because i'm usually referencing

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older editions or direct classes or

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something of that nature with my own

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work so

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it just makes more sense that i use the

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licenses that the dm's guild allows like

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if i want to make sub classes dm's guild

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makes the most sense for me but uh

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drive-through rpg is a good alternative

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that has a little bit more relaxed rules

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relating to that but essentially

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if you're worried that you're gonna be

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like oh i'm accidentally including from

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something from spell jammer

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don't worry about it spell jammer is

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like a very very specific setting

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you just can't reference

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specific

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names characters

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items things like that like a spell

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banner is just like a spaceship

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essentially and done to the dragons so

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as long as you don't have

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spaceships named spell jammers you got

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you didn't even have spaceships you just

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don't just don't call them spell jammers

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okay

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all right you've done a lot there to put

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my mind at ease

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so i would consider what i have written

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not necessarily a setting there's a city

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and

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monsters and a story and a dungeon but

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what is the word setting when it comes

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to homebrew what does that really mean

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what are the connotations behind the

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word setting i feel like it's quite

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loaded

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yeah so a a

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a campaign setting

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is essentially

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the world that a adventure takes place

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in

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so

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for example

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right now most of the adventures the

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pre-built adventures that you can

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purchase from wizards of the coast those

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are mostly set within

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the forgotten realms settings which has

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its own

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history deities lore continents like

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it's basically

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it's a universe it's like a narrative

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universe that the story takes place in

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so

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one of the things that a lot of people

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do is that they create non-descript

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settings

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like

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you know i'll just use my adventure i i

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wrote an adventure

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that it is basically just an underground

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dungeon that you can explore

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but i didn't include any specific names

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or locations i just said hey

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if you want to throw this dungeon into

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your setting it just needs to be a place

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with large underground areas available

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yeah and then you could literally input

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that anywhere basically okay so that's

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that's the safety net and that's what

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i've done because i've seen it done on

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others so i've put in you know hey this

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will work perfect in a mountainous

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region and you can just drop it in there

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and that's pretty much your get out of

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jail free card almost yeah essentially

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as long as you don't reference specific

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names you're perfectly fine okay okay

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cool thank you for that

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hands up

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i'm abusing my power as the host to

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answer some

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some personal questions but hey if i've

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asked them then other people have asked

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them so

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that's my excuse

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so aside from

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translating 4th edition to 5th edition

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and you've mentioned you just recently

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published a module what other kind of

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things have you you homebrewed or can

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you test a little bit more about the

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module that you've just worked on yeah i

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could talk about it let's see i have

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released an entire class that i designed

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a couple of sub classes i've also

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converted some fourth edition spells

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and then for my own personal game i have

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an entire campaign setting that i've

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developed okay so that includes

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continents and deities and all that

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stuff okay impressive

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one topic i wanted to talk about today

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was balance

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in terms of

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how how do you go about doing that and i

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think by your reaction i gather it's a

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rather delicate process

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no i just i just i just knew this topic

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was going to come up at some point

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so

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balance it's a very very tricky thing

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and i would not at all claim to be a

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master of it there are very very few

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people who are i would say

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and those people you should covet them

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when writing homebrew you should make

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absolute best friends with them yeah but

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essentially

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the best way to gather balance is

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information

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and

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experience

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so i've been home brewing a very long

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time and i feel like i have a good grasp

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on balance on most things

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but

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i mean the players manual dungeon

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masters guide

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monster manual i re-read those like if i

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literally just created some some

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monsters recently and i literally had

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the monster manual open the entire time

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and i was checking it every two or three

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minutes like okay proficiency bonus

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00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:18,559
uh

569
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,440
challenge rating hit points and it's

570
00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:22,640
just

571
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,559
honestly the easiest way to balance uh i

572
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,520
would say is literally just take a

573
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:31,120
monster and modify it like an existing

574
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:33,200
pre-built monster and modify it but

575
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:36,559
with enough experience you can then

576
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:39,840
eventually build something from scratch

577
00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:39,840
balance is also

578
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,679
see that's the thing balance is is such

579
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:47,360
a hard thing because it depends on

580
00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:50,000
what you're aiming for

581
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:52,480
like for me balance for like something

582
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:55,280
i'm publishing i'm just gonna go for a

583
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,120
generic balance like yeah okay the

584
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,600
characters are level seven we're gonna

585
00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:02,880
aim for challenge ratings somewhere

586
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:05,760
between six to nine depending

587
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,520
but for my own campaign which i have

588
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,400
oh goodness

589
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:14,640
they're level ten i have

590
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:16,960
seven people that i dm for wow and

591
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,960
they are all equipped with massive

592
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,840
amounts of magic items i'm just like

593
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,520
yeah okay challenge rating 17. here we

594
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,280
go

595
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,960
just throwing them at it now

596
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,880
yeah that's that's another thing about

597
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,919
balance that it's not really properly

598
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,120
explained

599
00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:32,640
fully

600
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:35,679
rested

601
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:38,640
characters can take on

602
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:40,880
double to triple their normal cr

603
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,360
yep i think that's a learning process

604
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,000
that a lot of dms have that realization

605
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:49,120
in their own unique way including myself

606
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,600
that idea of the party going nova

607
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:54,480
it's bittersweet in a way it's nice to

608
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,360
see the party just kick ass and take

609
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,360
names

610
00:22:55,360 --> 00:23:00,240
but then when you've spent time

611
00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:02,240
being machiavellian in your encounter

612
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,240
design and saying oh this one's gonna

613
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,600
this this one is deadly they better

614
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,600
watch out

615
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,320
and then the wizard and the sorcerer

616
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,799
just knock off half the hp in a blink of

617
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,440
an eye i got a slight story for balance

618
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:17,360
just to give you an idea so in the

619
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,520
campaign that i dm4

620
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:21,280
there is a goliath who wanted to be

621
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,640
large and i'm like

622
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,200
okay sure

623
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,400
uh you're like seven feet tall okay

624
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,320
congrats

625
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,080
so he's he's a large character so he has

626
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,919
to squeeze through five foot hallways

627
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,480
now i'm like okay i guess that makes

628
00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:36,400
sense and i gave them one of the items

629
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,600
that i home brewed but it's essentially

630
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,520
a knife

631
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:43,840
that you can cut a doorway into a solid

632
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,919
surface and then it creates like a 10

633
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,720
foot by 10 foot dimensional room

634
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:50,640
essentially basically it's kind of like

635
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,640
it's like a safe space basically you

636
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,120
can't like store items in it because

637
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,320
once it closes it ejects all items and

638
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,640
i'm like okay

639
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,559
this is just something that that they

640
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,480
might have some use for

641
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:06,559
you know maybe i couldn't see any

642
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,640
problems with it and my players

643
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:11,520
so the goliath was like okay i want a

644
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,600
larger shield okay all right

645
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,760
also i want to enchant my boots to be

646
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,200
able to fly um

647
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,880
okay i mean you certainly have enough

648
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,679
gold for that so he cut the door into

649
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,480
this giant tower shield had all the

650
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:28,720
other players jump into it and now he

651
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,279
has this flying tower shield where

652
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,120
they're just pelting things

653
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:34,400
they're just shooting through this open

654
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:36,720
door of a show

655
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,320
well the goliath is flying above and

656
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,750
they're just like great so that's

657
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,760
something i didn't account for

658
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:44,799
[Laughter]

659
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,799
fair play to you props to you for

660
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:50,720
being brave enough to keep

661
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:54,000
stacking the bags on the buckaroo of the

662
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:57,520
of the magic iron barbarian i am

663
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,400
way too scared uh i have basically drip

664
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,039
fed

665
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,720
my players because i'm super paranoid

666
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:04,320
that they're just gonna whip the rug out

667
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,919
of my feet which is a failing on my part

668
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,039
like they they they should be enabled to

669
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:09,840
do that

670
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:11,520
uh and i'm i'm um

671
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,960
getting better and giving them more

672
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,960
items but

673
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,520
it's only because i'm so sensitive to

674
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,400
that balance just

675
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:23,279
just swinging completely in the opposite

676
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:26,960
direction so how did you like

677
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:30,159
nerf it oh absolutely not

678
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,000
um one of my favorite things is being as

679
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:32,960
a dungeon dm

680
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,520
is

681
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,039
being surprised like my players

682
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,520
surprising me

683
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:42,000
is the best part of dungeon the dragons

684
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,960
for me and homebrew definitely allows

685
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,279
that

686
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,400
but uh essentially

687
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:50,080
the players can use

688
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,240
home brew

689
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,840
as like additional leverage and

690
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,880
combinations

691
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:59,279
to create and surprise you which is

692
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,159
always the best part and i i never want

693
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,960
to punish my players for being creative

694
00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:05,440
like

695
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,159
just because i gave them a door

696
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,080
like a a creatable room

697
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:13,360
it's my fault that i didn't anticipate

698
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:16,640
them creating essentially a jet fighter

699
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:19,279
basically in my campaign an f-16 yeah

700
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,159
yeah exactly they're just

701
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:24,320
arrows and daggers and spells just being

702
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:26,320
launched from a tower shield like that's

703
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,240
that's my fault but

704
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,760
i was happy about it like they

705
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,159
completely subverted one of my

706
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,440
encounters for it i was totally fine

707
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:35,600
with it

708
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,320
and honestly it's the best part of

709
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,159
dungeons dragons for me is i always love

710
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,240
being surprised and i always love

711
00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:45,039
surprising my players

712
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,120
oh yeah yeah you know i'm a big fan as

713
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:49,200
i've said previously of subverting

714
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:51,200
expectations which is a posh way of

715
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,360
saying just surprising them with weird

716
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,600
and off-piste

717
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:57,760
approaches to things and

718
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,360
yeah i'm going to start giving them more

719
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,720
items in the new year we're taking a

720
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,080
holiday break but in the new year i'm

721
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,720
going to start giving them more items

722
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,880
and hopefully we'll find myself equally

723
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,279
surprised i have to admit

724
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,880
my question to you of did you know if it

725
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:13,919
or not was

726
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:17,360
absolutely loaded and congratulations

727
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:20,080
you gave the correct answer

728
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,120
of of not nerfing it in post because

729
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,880
that's uh

730
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:25,039
as i understand a bit of a

731
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,120
a bit of a no-no and as you said that's

732
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:28,960
that's that's on the dm right

733
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,480
yeah that they've introduced it and

734
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,080
that's it they got to live with the

735
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,679
consequences

736
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,559
i could have always like after the game

737
00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:38,399
be like hey i totally didn't expect that

738
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,640
is there any way that we could like no

739
00:27:38,399 --> 00:27:42,080
but i i don't that's not the way i roll

740
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,640
uh no

741
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,399
like uh oh goodness

742
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:50,000
i spent about

743
00:27:46,399 --> 00:27:52,080
two years developing my campaign setting

744
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,679
to the point where i could just improv

745
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,440
the rest of the campaign that's

746
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:57,760
literally how i run down to the dragons

747
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,520
it's just like here's the setting go

748
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480
have fun

749
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,960
so

750
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,440
it's hard to

751
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,080
be disappointed in your plans if you

752
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,080
don't have one

753
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,360
you can your plans can't be spoiled if

754
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,760
there are no plans to begin with exactly

755
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:19,120
it's an infallible defense

756
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,120
yeah i think the only exception is you

757
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:23,679
know using the door thing as an example

758
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,760
as if if i had made a genuine

759
00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:28,080
misunderstanding or a misinterpretation

760
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,240
of the rules or something and the first

761
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,320
time i introduced this thing it works in

762
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,600
a certain way and then afterwards i go

763
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,159
oh man i was super wrong then maybe that

764
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,600
would be my line to say hey guys i was

765
00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:41,520
made a huge mistake

766
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,960
can we going forward

767
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,880
amend it in this way then yes but what

768
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,559
i'm getting at is it's not a mistake for

769
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,640
players to use items

770
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,559
in genius ways that it's not a mistake

771
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,240
on anyone's part that is just that's

772
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,080
just the game

773
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,399
yeah absolutely

774
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,039
uh it's like the uh

775
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:03,600
the arrow of mass destruction design

776
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:05,919
that i've seen floating around

777
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,200
so bag of holding is an extra

778
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:08,799
dimensional space where you can put

779
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,679
items in and it carries more than it

780
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,679
does

781
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:14,080
but in order to make it so that it's not

782
00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:16,720
overpowered you essentially can't put a

783
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,360
bag of holding inside of a bag of

784
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,200
holding otherwise if you do the bag of

785
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,120
holding rips apart and creates like a

786
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,840
10-foot radius that sucks everything

787
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,880
into the astral uh astral c

788
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:31,200
well somebody designed an arrowhead

789
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,200
basically that has a rolled up

790
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,679
portable hole which is an extra

791
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:39,200
dimensional space at the end of it yeah

792
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:42,559
and then behind that portable hole

793
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,279
is a small open bag of holding

794
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:48,159
so what happens is is that you fire the

795
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:50,399
arrow and the arrow head hits something

796
00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:52,480
the small portable hole

797
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:54,640
launches into

798
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,320
the bag of holding

799
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,440
and triggers the effect

800
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,600
yep so it's like a yeah it's like a

801
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,640
dimension grenade yes

802
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,720
that just

803
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,640
rips a fabric in reality

804
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,720
and all you're doing is firing an arrow

805
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,990
wowzers yeah i would say that's

806
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,679
definitely homebrew

807
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:13,440
[Music]

808
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:16,399
yeah to say the least

809
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,039
yeah uh also not quite that extreme but

810
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:20,480
other people of flinging a folding boat

811
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,720
because there's some weird physics that

812
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,960
happens when you unfold the folding boat

813
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,200
in mid-flight and it its mass changes

814
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,720
and it's suddenly like a catapult and

815
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,600
you know weird and wonderful things like

816
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,000
that and

817
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,080
that's just the ingenuity of humans i

818
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,360
suppose and trying to find those

819
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,600
loopholes i love that idea of that

820
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,840
the dimension arrow that i'm gonna have

821
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,679
to ban my players from listening to this

822
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,760
episode

823
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:48,480
see see that's the beautiful thing about

824
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,600
homebrew is that if your players want

825
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,320
something

826
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,240
like off the wall you can absolutely

827
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,520
give it to them like

828
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,840
one of my players wanted to play a

829
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,120
goliath that was seven feet tall in a

830
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,880
large creature easily done adjusted

831
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,480
one of my players wanted to play a

832
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,480
sentient cat

833
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,440
like an actual

834
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,760
talking two-legged walking

835
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,919
cat and i was like okay i can design

836
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,880
that that's not that big of a deal yeah

837
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:20,240
one of my players wanted to be an insect

838
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,000
race like a moth creature a humanoid and

839
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,000
i was able to find that on the dm's

840
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,039
guild and they were extremely happy

841
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,159
about that

842
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,480
what am i

843
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:31,679
with the seven foot goliath my seven

844
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,919
foot goliath was an artificer and he

845
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:35,760
cast enlarge on himself becoming a giant

846
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:39,279
creature and he's like okay i want to

847
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,799
start throwing my teammates and i'm like

848
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:44,720
there's

849
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:46,960
nothing in the rule books about that so

850
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,760
yeah you're so far in the wild west at

851
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,799
that point it's just anything goes in i

852
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:56,080
love it it's the best there's actually a

853
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:58,559
a product on the dm's guild called yeet

854
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,320
about it and uh is that a spell

855
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:04,159
no it's it's

856
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,000
it's all about the mechanics of tossing

857
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:08,720
creatures and objects

858
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,480
like how far you can throw

859
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,600
and the amount of damage it does based

860
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,360
off if it's off of its size basically

861
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,000
and then there's a bunch of like items

862
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,159
and subclasses but yeah i i picked up

863
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,679
the rule book when my goliath was like i

864
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:23,200
want to start throwing characters and

865
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:24,240
i'm like

866
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,559
okay

867
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,880
give me give me a week

868
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:30,799
yep yeah i think throwing other

869
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,640
characters comes up

870
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,720
surprisingly often

871
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,559
yeah i'm honestly surprised

872
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,440
wizards of the coast hasn't addressed it

873
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,760
yet

874
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,440
here's the rules

875
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,010
there should be a whole chapter because

876
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:48,950
of how frequently it comes up

877
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:48,950
[Music]

878
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,360
so you mentioned that you know you've

879
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,840
made a class and a setting

880
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,480
regarding this well actually the

881
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,480
question it works for both i was gonna

882
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,600
say do you

883
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,919
start top down or bottom up and so by

884
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,240
that i mean do you start with the micro

885
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:13,440
or the macro do you start with a vision

886
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,440
and then

887
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,159
fill it in

888
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,799
that way or do you start with a specific

889
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:22,080
mechanic and kind of work

890
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,720
bottom up

891
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:27,679
i i it's kind of a generally a mix of

892
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,320
both like for my campaign setting

893
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:31,519
i knew that i wanted advanced ancient

894
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,519
technology

895
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,640
because i had been playing breath of the

896
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:37,360
wild

897
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:40,159
a ton and i'm like i love this i want a

898
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,799
d d setting of that yep so

899
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:45,120
i had a general over idea of what i

900
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:47,279
wanted for the world but i literally

901
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,960
started with a city i just started with

902
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,600
one city

903
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:55,039
and then i basically took that one city

904
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:57,840
and i expanded outwards okay and from

905
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:59,919
there i just i got a continent then i

906
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,519
was like okay what other ideas do i want

907
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:03,519
for other continents and then i had a

908
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:06,399
map and then i started expanding upon

909
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:08,879
that and by that i had a setting

910
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:10,079
yeah before you knew it it was a setting

911
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:11,919
made for you

912
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,280
man there's something is going on

913
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:14,240
because

914
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,200
i

915
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,960
literally

916
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,599
before we started recording was playing

917
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,919
breath of the wild

918
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,520
i i've started my second playthrough uh

919
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:24,639
just before christmas

920
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,800
because i said hey it's been a couple of

921
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,839
years now the game was freaking awesome

922
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,119
it's been long enough that i've

923
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:30,800
forgotten

924
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:33,119
enough for the map that it's going to be

925
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,399
a relatively new experience for me

926
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,919
and i'm going to start playing it again

927
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:37,599
and then here we are i come on i'm

928
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:38,720
talking to you and you're like hey have

929
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,639
you heard of that game breath of the

930
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:42,800
wild

931
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,399
the controller is still warm downstairs

932
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,679
that's how

933
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:47,520
close

934
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,280
okay cool i'm just trying to think of

935
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,720
the way i did it and

936
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,399
to be honest it's probably in a very

937
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:54,639
similar way so

938
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:58,800
as i said before uh i've made a number

939
00:34:54,639 --> 00:35:00,560
of different chapters or arcs that are

940
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,320
relatively self-contained there's a

941
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,160
beginning in the middle and an end to

942
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,520
all of them so they can be

943
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,359
kind of modular

944
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,800
to a certain extent but for the game

945
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:11,520
that i'm running obviously there needed

946
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,160
to be a place for them all to be sat in

947
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,920
at one time so it's my own

948
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,920
world geography as it were and

949
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,000
it may well be

950
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,599
essentially something like forgotten

951
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,640
realms i don't know but it's just

952
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:30,320
generic fantasy tropes but with

953
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,680
sometimes goofy modern trappings so you

954
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,079
know speaking stones are maybe slightly

955
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,240
more common and and function a lot more

956
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:38,960
similar to mobile phones

957
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:40,480
for example just because i found

958
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,000
personally the

959
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,599
kind of stiff mechanics of speaking

960
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,359
stones a bit

961
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,400
too well stiff

962
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:48,160
it's probably the best way to put it

963
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,320
like you cast this spell and it only

964
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,760
works like this

965
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,040
i kind of just want my players to talk

966
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,160
to each other

967
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,000
so

968
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,599
i can just homebrewed that on the fly i

969
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,400
suppose which is a good point to say

970
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,240
there's

971
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,160
i guess there's

972
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,839
improvisation

973
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,040
could be considered

974
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:06,079
ad hoc

975
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,760
homebrew

976
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,599
yeah absolutely

977
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,560
which is not the thought that i've had

978
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:14,960
until we've had this discussion

979
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,880
i mean yeah i i've had players who've

980
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,040
wanted to create their own spells on the

981
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,079
fly i have

982
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,599
i've literally homebrewed a monster

983
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,040
mid-fight

984
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,640
like because of the large number of

985
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,320
players that i have

986
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,200
challenge rating is all based off of

987
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,280
like well rested four players yeah of a

988
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,200
certain level so i'm like oh this

989
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,240
monster's getting its it's it's butt's

990
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,400
kicked a little bit heavier than i was

991
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:42,640
expecting i'm just gonna

992
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,359
without telling my players secretly

993
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,560
double hp there yeah

994
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,160
what's really good is this ties back

995
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,839
into what we're saying earlier on about

996
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,839
experience and

997
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:53,760
it's to its full i would say to a

998
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:55,040
certain extent it's to the frameworks

999
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,119
for that

1000
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,520
a lot comes with experience dm

1001
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:02,079
experience especially in terms of making

1002
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,280
those judgment calls on the fly and

1003
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,079
being like

1004
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,320
okay

1005
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,520
they're going over but at least i know

1006
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,760
how to

1007
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,760
make it still exciting or make that

1008
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,359
judgement call of hey no they deserve to

1009
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,400
be able to stump all over this one

1010
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:15,839
because they've had a lot of tough

1011
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,160
encounters and maybe this one will be a

1012
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:19,440
bit easier but those things come with an

1013
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,640
intuition

1014
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,599
and an experience that you never stop

1015
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,880
learning but it's so hard to distill

1016
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,960
into

1017
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,040
a useful talk show

1018
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,400
yeah that intuition yeah i would

1019
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,440
definitely say

1020
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:38,000
there is just so much that you just

1021
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,800
gather from experience

1022
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,760
uh when it comes to either home brewing

1023
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:47,119
for a product for a game or just on the

1024
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,400
fly where you literally just be like

1025
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,240
okay

1026
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,400
with this type of a counter they've

1027
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:54,400
experienced this so maybe go a little

1028
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,079
bit easier or if i want it to be a

1029
00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:00,000
little bit more grim dark i could make

1030
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:03,520
it harder or like it it really depends

1031
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,520
on and it ties back into balance like

1032
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,839
what you want

1033
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,280
if you wanted to replicate dark souls

1034
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:12,000
essentially

1035
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:16,079
yeah and if you just wanted to be

1036
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:19,839
crushingly hard the entire way through

1037
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:22,400
like you could just ignore balance up to

1038
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:24,960
a certain point basically yeah yeah you

1039
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,680
just crank up the monster hp to the

1040
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,440
theoretical max maybe edit the ac a

1041
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,560
little bit but that's a good point

1042
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,160
actually one thing i was thinking about

1043
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,839
earlier on thinking about monster

1044
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,720
balance and

1045
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:37,599
my

1046
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:40,000
experience of that so far has i built

1047
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:42,800
one boss monster

1048
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,599
using action oriented design

1049
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,240
from mac over where you basically give

1050
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:50,160
them a mix of reactions bonus actions

1051
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,680
and legendary actions without them

1052
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,480
necessarily being

1053
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,680
a cr-20 beast from another dimension

1054
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,240
just to kind of

1055
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,359
level out that action economy which is

1056
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,160
of course

1057
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:05,359
hella important and something that maybe

1058
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,200
isn't emphasized as much as it should be

1059
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:08,400
and if i do say so myself i surprised

1060
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,520
myself with

1061
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,720
how

1062
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,680
well that was balanced in terms of the

1063
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,560
fight

1064
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,960
managed to go the length i wanted it to

1065
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,280
uh it hit all the big but notes that i

1066
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,119
wanted it to hit during the fight

1067
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,119
and i was very happy with how that went

1068
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,880
and the way i approached that was a

1069
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:29,440
mixture of re-skinning

1070
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,400
and looking at the monster manual like

1071
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,440
you said yourself you did previously so

1072
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,599
okay there

1073
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,960
what would be an equivalent cr that

1074
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,520
would make this a hard encounter for

1075
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,599
them okay it's it's cr15 for sake of

1076
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,119
example okay let's take a look at a

1077
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:47,520
couple of cr15 monsters what kind of hp

1078
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:48,720
and ac are we typically working with in

1079
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,480
that range

1080
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,800
that was my

1081
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,800
design process for that creature and

1082
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,800
that was basically how i did

1083
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,160
the stats and

1084
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,839
the the hp the ac and you know

1085
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,960
proficiency bonus and his to hit

1086
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:05,920
modifiers but basically the three main

1087
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,440
things

1088
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,720
and yeah that worked out quite all right

1089
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,119
i don't know if you have a similar

1090
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:13,599
process of designing creatures

1091
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:16,240
oh no yeah that's that's exactly the way

1092
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:19,040
that you should do it you should look at

1093
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,800
look at examples of what you want to

1094
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,200
build first

1095
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,599
and then basically work your way

1096
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,119
backwards from that

1097
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:29,760
like i feel like that's probably the way

1098
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,680
that everyone does it honestly like i

1099
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,800
don't know people who could just on the

1100
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,480
fly

1101
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,079
make balanced monsters like that

1102
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,760
okay i must admit the action-oriented

1103
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:42,160
thing was

1104
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,400
necessary i suppose in this particular

1105
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,599
battle it was

1106
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,599
mainly one big bad boss and i had a

1107
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:52,640
couple of minions that kind of came and

1108
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:54,880
went during the fight so again that was

1109
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,920
a really good time to surprise my

1110
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:00,880
players with oh he's acting out of turn

1111
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,119
why is he doing that down low

1112
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,119
well

1113
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:07,040
it's because i can

1114
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,119
because he can but again that was that

1115
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,800
was a learning experience for them until

1116
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:13,040
they are about to fight much harder

1117
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,720
things that have legendary actions

1118
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,280
straight out the gate so they won't be

1119
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:19,440
quite as surprised when a dragon

1120
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,720
sweeps them across the deck yeah at the

1121
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,920
end of the wizard's turn

1122
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,880
and one thing we haven't talked about

1123
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,880
with

1124
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,920
kind of design and balance is the items

1125
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,800
so i know

1126
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:33,040
you transcribed a whole bunch from

1127
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,359
fourth edition to fifth edition and also

1128
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,400
a spell i think you mentioned

1129
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:40,400
uh yeah i've currently converted quite a

1130
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,599
few spells from

1131
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,599
the first players handbook of fourth

1132
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:49,119
edition there's a grand total of three

1133
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:51,280
of them in four wow yeah

1134
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,400
uh there's a lot of classes in fourth

1135
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,359
edition

1136
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,920
uh

1137
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:59,040
but it's great uh one of the things that

1138
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:02,079
i am not looking forward to is

1139
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,319
the psionic classes uh that's gonna be

1140
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:06,720
yeah that's gonna be very interesting

1141
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:09,520
because it seems like fifth edition is

1142
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,960
very much not touching psionics much to

1143
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,400
my dismay

1144
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,880
yeah something i see in here a lot

1145
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:18,480
online about people decrying that where

1146
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,920
am i psionics and that word is

1147
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,040
pretty much absent

1148
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,119
from

1149
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,640
all the material right unless i'm

1150
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,680
forgetting something critical but i'm

1151
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,160
pretty sure

1152
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,720
i mean mind flayers kind of have psychic

1153
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,520
abilities and some other various

1154
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:36,160
aberrations and things like that but

1155
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:39,520
like the actual concept of psionic

1156
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,720
abilities like like the battle mind

1157
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,200
and

1158
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,359
traditional monks from fourth edition

1159
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,720
where psionic class

1160
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:54,240
i'm looking at tasha's cauldron has

1161
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:56,480
introduced the psy warrior for fighters

1162
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:59,440
as a subclass i think that's about as

1163
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,119
much as we get right now the weird thing

1164
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,560
about

1165
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,960
psionic

1166
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,359
especially within like fourth edition

1167
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,040
and which is why a part of why i think

1168
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:10,079
that fifth edition hasn't really touched

1169
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,839
it much

1170
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,319
is

1171
00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:17,440
that psionic classes had the ability to

1172
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:19,760
augment their powers basically

1173
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,480
so essentially it was almost kind of

1174
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,200
like spell casting with spell slots

1175
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,400
but for specific abilities

1176
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,440
where you could

1177
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,920
could just

1178
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,400
use a normal psionic ability and then

1179
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,319
you could augment it once or augment it

1180
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,000
twice or

1181
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:38,319
different number of augments depending

1182
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,480
on the ability and it would basically

1183
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:43,200
add additional features

1184
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,520
to that ability okay that's interesting

1185
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,880
which i think is hard to convert into

1186
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,200
fifth edition

1187
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,400
yeah i can imagine it would be possible

1188
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,480
with something

1189
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,520
something equivalent to like sorcery

1190
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,319
points

1191
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,319
with having its own abilities

1192
00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:00,319
but you would basically have to create

1193
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:03,280
features that are

1194
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:05,200
spells but not

1195
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,839
yeah which is why i think they really

1196
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,920
haven't touched it because that mechanic

1197
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:13,680
the whole spells but not mechanic is

1198
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,680
hard to

1199
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,319
convert and then

1200
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,440
mix well with the other materials that

1201
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:23,760
have been released like magic items and

1202
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,960
class features and multi-classing and

1203
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,119
things like that yeah looking at tasha's

1204
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,400
now the source book the most recently

1205
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,640
released one

1206
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,319
you are right on the money because it

1207
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,839
seems the way they've taken it with the

1208
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:41,119
psy warrior is they have psionic energy

1209
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:42,800
die which is basically a superiority die

1210
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:45,920
so like you said a resource that they

1211
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,680
can spend to modulate a feature which

1212
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,720
isn't a spell but

1213
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:53,200
could very easily be a spell and in fact

1214
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,440
their signature ability is basically

1215
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,800
casting the telekinesis spell

1216
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,720
for free

1217
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,319
so yeah that looks about as close as

1218
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,000
we're gonna get to that unless of course

1219
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:03,680
you enter the marvellous world of

1220
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,040
homebrew and i'm sure

1221
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:09,200
the online publishing tools are full of

1222
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,079
psionic goodness

1223
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,119
oh yeah there's tons of homebrew psionic

1224
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,440
classes

1225
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:17,599
on the dm's guild yeah they're pretty

1226
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,680
decent uh i haven't really found a way

1227
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,720
to introduce them myself because none of

1228
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,720
my players have actually asked for it so

1229
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:27,680
but uh yeah i'm willing to wet they're

1230
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:30,960
working on it yeah back in the depths of

1231
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,800
the wizard's office some poor guys just

1232
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,280
got he's in the psionics office and it's

1233
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,280
just him

1234
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:41,280
uh i don't envy that task

1235
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,800
no i bet but bringing in those things is

1236
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,560
tricky in your own

1237
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,640
settings because then it sets a

1238
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,800
precedent and it's also awkward if they

1239
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,920
haven't seen a psionic for the first

1240
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,599
they've gone halfway around the world

1241
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,079
and haven't seen a sonic and then

1242
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:57,359
suddenly oh yeah he's just a psionic

1243
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:58,640
wow okay he's he's incredibly rare no

1244
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:00,800
you know it makes it difficult to kind

1245
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,680
of wreck on them in to the universe and

1246
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,200
yes

1247
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,880
homebrew in your own setting can be

1248
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,240
whatever you want it to be and this that

1249
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,720
and the other but i

1250
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,960
pride myself to be honest on

1251
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:14,160
trying to keep the setting and the

1252
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,359
universe congruent you know it makes

1253
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,359
sense and those kind of jarring

1254
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:21,119
gear changes

1255
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:22,720
can really

1256
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:25,359
get the players asking questions that

1257
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,760
are very difficult to answer

1258
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:30,640
no i i absolutely hear you like when i

1259
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:35,119
first created my uh my personal setting

1260
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:38,160
for my my dnd group there were tons of

1261
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:40,319
like races and such and subclass options

1262
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,880
that weren't even available and i'm like

1263
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:45,440
okay uh

1264
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:48,400
if my players wanted to introduce these

1265
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,920
how would i explain that

1266
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,839
yeah like that's the problem with

1267
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,160
creating a setting let's just like you

1268
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:56,640
could create a setting but new content

1269
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,880
is gonna just keep rolling out yeah yeah

1270
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,680
that's what i found in fact all my

1271
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,000
players wanted to be a war forged in a

1272
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,160
fairly as i said it's fairly standard

1273
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,160
fantasy in quotes

1274
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,160
setting so that's obviously begs a lot

1275
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,920
of questions of are there other

1276
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,440
automatons that aren't

1277
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,000
sentient and

1278
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,440
what do people think of them and

1279
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,200
so on and so on and where are all the

1280
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,440
rest and should they be as prolific as

1281
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,960
other races and so on and so on which is

1282
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,760
not really

1283
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,319
set outside of you know eberron as a

1284
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,400
setting see my homebrew brain has

1285
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:32,640
already already thought of a way to

1286
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,119
introduce that that's just like

1287
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,960
that's just experience just like

1288
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:39,280
just make it so he's an intelligent

1289
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,599
shield guardian he's a modified

1290
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,000
intelligent shield guardian that's it

1291
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:48,000
you don't have to call him a warforged

1292
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:50,800
yeah yep on paper yep but in game it can

1293
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:54,559
be whatever you want and i have a very

1294
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:57,359
very very good if i do say so myself uh

1295
00:47:54,559 --> 00:48:00,319
longer term plan that will

1296
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:02,640
reveal a lot of his past shall we say

1297
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:05,760
um to keep things

1298
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,520
delightfully ambiguous as to my

1299
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,599
intentions but yeah

1300
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,599
but a lot a lot a lot of the

1301
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:13,280
modular arcs that i mentioned are in

1302
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:15,280
some way related to the character

1303
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,280
backstories and one in particular is

1304
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,119
related to that will forge backstory and

1305
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,400
reveal a lot more of

1306
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,640
you know and answer a lot more of those

1307
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,040
questions of where he's come from and

1308
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,839
why he is the way he is and

1309
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,839
why

1310
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:30,240
there aren't a million war forged

1311
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:31,040
wandering around and that kind of stuff

1312
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:33,359
so

1313
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,800
yeah um in terms of

1314
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:37,839
the

1315
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,680
items and spells

1316
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:40,880
more predominantly the items but in fact

1317
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,599
it goes

1318
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:47,359
the same for spells of

1319
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:49,200
not balance per se but more

1320
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:52,800
setting the

1321
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,960
rarity and setting the spell level

1322
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,000
is that you know do we have any guidance

1323
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,839
on

1324
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,359
that or is it literally

1325
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:01,760
a case of

1326
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:03,440
doing what we do for monsters and okay

1327
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,640
what does a fourth level spell look like

1328
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,319
damage wise

1329
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,520
and how much damage do i want my spell

1330
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:10,240
to look like

1331
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:12,960
what kind of rarity does this item

1332
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:14,079
have and how powerful is it okay

1333
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,800
geez

1334
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:18,319
my item's gonna be legendary

1335
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,640
so

1336
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:23,680
with magic items i would say it is a

1337
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:26,960
little bit trickier luckily there are

1338
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,240
some some information available like

1339
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,559
typically

1340
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:32,559
the there's the four major tiers of

1341
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,599
dungeon the dragons

1342
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,559
so

1343
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:40,079
luckily you could just divide it into

1344
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:42,319
tier two tier three tier four so magic

1345
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:45,040
item plus one magic item plus two magic

1346
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:46,480
item plus three yeah you can roughly

1347
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,040
approximate

1348
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,440
what an item's rarity would be based off

1349
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,880
those tier levels and

1350
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,640
say like

1351
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,119
for example

1352
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,839
uh wanda fireballs for example

1353
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:02,800
so you know that wizards get that

1354
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:05,200
particular spell i think

1355
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,160
it's a third level spell so i want to

1356
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,000
say

1357
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,720
around

1358
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,480
seventh

1359
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,480
it might be it might be slightly earlier

1360
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,359
than that so essentially

1361
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,880
so we know that

1362
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:23,359
tier one ends around fifth level or so

1363
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:26,160
so we know that uncommon magic items

1364
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:28,240
would be within around tier one so we

1365
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:32,480
would say okay wanda fireballs would be

1366
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:34,640
around rare then yeah so essentially you

1367
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,960
would just basically assume based off of

1368
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:40,480
like what abilities it gives what

1369
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,160
character levels it's trying to emulate

1370
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,119
uh and then of course there are magic

1371
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:48,240
items where you have no earthly idea how

1372
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,079
in the world you would want to uh

1373
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:52,319
put a rarity on that

1374
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:55,520
yeah one of the ones that i can

1375
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:56,720
immediately recall that i homebrew was

1376
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,640
the uh

1377
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:03,839
the ring of personal gravity and what it

1378
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,800
did is just once per day for one minute

1379
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:06,800
you just

1380
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,839
point your finger in the direction and

1381
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,920
that direction is your new down

1382
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:13,359
direction for gravity

1383
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,599
your relative

1384
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:18,000
gravity relative to you yeah your

1385
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,040
personal gravity is whatever direction

1386
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,520
you pull

1387
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,880
for one minute and i'm like

1388
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,960
i mean

1389
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,200
like how how i don't know how you would

1390
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,280
rarity that because this is like it's

1391
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,440
it's levitation it's

1392
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,640
pseudo flying

1393
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:37,119
but yeah if you point like i even point

1394
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:40,319
out in the in the product itself a joke

1395
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,880
of pointing up while outside

1396
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:46,160
you would fall up for one minute and

1397
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,880
then fall down for what for one minute

1398
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:51,920
yeah just like there's all sources just

1399
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:54,160
like all crazy stuff like that and even

1400
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,280
rarity itself doesn't take it into

1401
00:51:54,160 --> 00:52:00,319
consideration balance like most flying

1402
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:03,440
items like a broom of flying

1403
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:06,079
is i believe a rare item

1404
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,319
yeah either rare or very rare now room

1405
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:10,640
of flying does have its own limitations

1406
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:11,520
of course like it can't carry much

1407
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,480
but

1408
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,400
giving a character the ability to fly

1409
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:19,040
there's a reason it's dreaded within

1410
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,359
campaigns because it does break quite a

1411
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,520
bit now granted there's

1412
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:25,839
numerous ways of countering it so it's

1413
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,240
not that big of a deal

1414
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:29,440
but a rare item that gives you flight

1415
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,839
that is

1416
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,240
it's hard to

1417
00:52:30,839 --> 00:52:35,440
quantify rarity with balance in that

1418
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,800
case

1419
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,040
yeah it's those

1420
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,640
with monsters it's easier and i know why

1421
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,800
you say that and it's because there are

1422
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,359
numbers to guide you that's the cr

1423
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:48,079
system there's hp there's ac okay

1424
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:50,160
i know roughly the banding there but

1425
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:53,359
with abstract benefits

1426
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,760
then you can't judge that like how how

1427
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:57,839
do you put a benefit on

1428
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,440
walking on the ceiling for a minute

1429
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:01,119
well i don't know the spider climb is

1430
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,720
that the you know that's

1431
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,319
you know just it works in some

1432
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,160
situations but not others you need a

1433
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:08,160
surface whereas you know your personal

1434
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,400
gravity you think doesn't and how can

1435
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,880
you really draw the line there and i

1436
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,960
guess it all comes back down to that

1437
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,920
experience but you know what might be

1438
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,200
rare in one setting might be

1439
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,800
mundane

1440
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,280
in another setting and you might have

1441
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,880
you know arcane universities where they

1442
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,040
double the floor space because half the

1443
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,920
students are walking on the ceiling

1444
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,520
yeah which a trademark because that

1445
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,240
sounds like a really dope yeah that does

1446
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,800
happen

1447
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:36,160
actually that does sound really cool

1448
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,400
you just have like a proper harry potter

1449
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,720
style school with like one class on the

1450
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,480
ceiling one class on the floor and you

1451
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,240
know people walking on the underside of

1452
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,800
steps and stuff and you've just doubled

1453
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:49,200
the capacity of the school by instilling

1454
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,839
these kind of personal gravity shifters

1455
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:54,079
yeah trademark nobody steal that yeah

1456
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:55,839
there are actually wizard colleges in my

1457
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,599
campaign setting like for each of the

1458
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:59,760
wizard colleges there's actually a

1459
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:02,240
university for each of those colleges

1460
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,040
and i'm like it's a great transmutation

1461
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,040
college feature

1462
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,280
it's all yours that's all yours

1463
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:14,800
thank you thank you yes 50 pounds please

1464
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,800
uh oh well 80 bucks

1465
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:21,200
um yeah so i haven't done

1466
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:24,079
many items yet uh a player wants me to

1467
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,920
put together a magically mundane item so

1468
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:28,079
by that i mean there's no magic to it

1469
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,680
but it is completely home brew and just

1470
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,800
because it's not magical doesn't mean

1471
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,839
it's

1472
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,480
common

1473
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:35,760
because he's having to build it so

1474
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,640
therefore i'm having to build it so

1475
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,440
there's implicitly a level of rarity

1476
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,280
there

1477
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,240
despite the item being

1478
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,240
unusual i suppose so that's one piece of

1479
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:47,520
homework for me over the holiday period

1480
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,160
is

1481
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,559
to have a think about how that is gonna

1482
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,480
work and

1483
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:56,480
the war forged that i mentioned earlier

1484
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,559
on he's actually a druid which is a

1485
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,040
little bit of a thematic

1486
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:02,720
uh it's very clear thematic in his head

1487
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,480
you know there's a very good aesthetic

1488
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,680
that he's going for there slightly

1489
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,119
unusual

1490
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:10,319
and he

1491
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:13,520
suggested a great idea of

1492
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:15,520
when he does a long rest outside or in

1493
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,960
the wilderness or basically in contact

1494
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,599
with nature

1495
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,640
he should get some kind of bonus or

1496
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:23,119
benefit

1497
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:27,359
likewise when he spends it in a you know

1498
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:29,040
a cave or a bedroom or a metal lab he

1499
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:30,720
might have a drawback because he's

1500
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,400
distanced from

1501
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:34,799
nature and

1502
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,520
i was like that is good i've just got to

1503
00:55:34,799 --> 00:55:39,520
think really quite hard on how to make

1504
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,079
sure there's a good banding

1505
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,680
on the benefit and the drawback because

1506
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:45,119
you know i don't want to give him

1507
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,079
something that he gets

1508
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,680
maybe on four out of five long rests

1509
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,680
that puts him at an advantage over the

1510
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,440
rest of the players but then also i

1511
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,680
don't want to make the drawback

1512
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,000
make him not have fun

1513
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,319
to play the class anymore so

1514
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,680
i'm a bit anxious i'll admit of

1515
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:03,920
trying to design that i don't know if

1516
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,160
you've got any thoughts oh no yeah i i

1517
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,040
immediately had thoughts like it doesn't

1518
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,160
even have to be an extremely complicated

1519
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,960
system

1520
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,079
it could just be small personal benefits

1521
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,440
like

1522
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:18,319
let's say

1523
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:20,400
if you spend a long rest in a

1524
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:21,760
mountainous area you just get plus one

1525
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,359
to your ac

1526
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,559
if you spend

1527
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:30,799
long rest in a grassy area you get

1528
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:32,880
uh an advantage on your uh nature checks

1529
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:35,920
like that's that's not that great of a

1530
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:38,319
benefit but it is useful um i really

1531
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,839
like the idea of flavoring it to the

1532
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:42,240
terrain i hadn't thought of that and

1533
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:45,040
that's a really nice way of

1534
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:47,520
mixing it up yeah and the downsides

1535
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:50,240
don't even have to be that punishing it

1536
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:53,440
could just be like if you spend

1537
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:55,920
a long rest in a city you wake up

1538
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,799
feeling groggy like you're just not as

1539
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:02,559
connected to nature so maybe you have

1540
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:05,920
like disadvantage on persuasion checks

1541
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:08,799
for a number of hours or

1542
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,319
uh like if you spend it

1543
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:12,799
in like

1544
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:14,720
an alternate plane of existence like

1545
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:16,240
maybe like the shadowfell or something

1546
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:18,400
then you could get

1547
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,920
maybe something a little bit more severe

1548
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,960
in that instance where it's like an

1549
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:25,520
extreme environment yeah where you could

1550
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,359
give like disadvantage on spell attacks

1551
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,359
for something like that or

1552
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:31,920
it doesn't even have to be that

1553
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:34,720
complicated it's just like environment

1554
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:38,160
benefit and it doesn't even have to be a

1555
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:40,480
supreme benefit it just has to be

1556
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,920
something that just slightly modifies

1557
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,200
their gameplay depending on where

1558
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,040
they're sleeping

1559
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,960
oh good thank you very much that's

1560
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,319
really good food for thought and i'm now

1561
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,480
just rattling through the different

1562
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:53,200
biomes in my head and thinking oh

1563
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,559
coastal what can i do for coastal

1564
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,319
i would say

1565
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:58,319
uh

1566
00:57:56,319 --> 00:58:00,960
give them advantage on

1567
00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:02,720
athletic checks to swim yep i was going

1568
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,720
along the lines of something to do with

1569
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,559
swimming or swimming speed or something

1570
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,280
like that yeah

1571
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:12,960
yeah i'm my own worst enemy and tend to

1572
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,359
intimidate myself into fearing it's a

1573
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,720
larger unit of work than perhaps it

1574
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:17,920
necessarily is

1575
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,359
and that's

1576
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,839
i gather a drawback of being creative

1577
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:26,000
it's a form of writer's block i suppose

1578
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:27,599
i would always say like no matter what

1579
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,400
you're home brewing

1580
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:32,960
bringing it to another person for a

1581
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,680
second opinion is always the best i mean

1582
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:39,599
i do that for my own work all the time

1583
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:41,280
like i have other dms that i play for

1584
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,520
and i bring it to them

1585
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,559
and even if i don't agree with their

1586
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,119
opinion

1587
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,960
or they suggest something even far

1588
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:51,520
better it doesn't matter because

1589
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:54,079
ultimately the more people you have

1590
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,160
exposed to that work the more it is

1591
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:58,400
likely to be balanced yeah the more

1592
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:01,520
refined it gets you you you knock off

1593
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:04,480
the sharp edges yeah exactly yeah food

1594
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,400
for thought and hopefully aspiring words

1595
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,839
for people such as myself out there who

1596
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,319
might be thinking about

1597
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:13,520
throwing some ideas together and i'm

1598
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:14,640
always open to providing feedback and my

1599
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,520
opinion

1600
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,799
on

1601
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,480
items and weapons and spells and whatnot

1602
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:21,839
is there anything you wanted to cover

1603
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,920
specifically anything we might have

1604
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:27,760
missed we could always talk about how

1605
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:29,680
absolutely easy it is to make subclasses

1606
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,720
oh hey do you know what hit me with that

1607
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:35,520
because if i'm scared to do a very

1608
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,310
trivial class feature then subclasses

1609
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,599
are like whoa

1610
00:59:36,310 --> 00:59:41,200
[Laughter]

1611
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:42,480
so sub classes i would say are

1612
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,520
by far

1613
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:48,640
the easiest thing to

1614
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,000
homebrew wow okay because of the fact

1615
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:54,480
that

1616
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:58,400
most subclasses have a formula to them

1617
00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:01,280
so usually how it works is that there's

1618
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,520
a primary feature that you want to focus

1619
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,440
on so let's say

1620
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,040
the echo fighter the one that they

1621
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:10,240
introduced for

1622
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:12,319
based off of the dory campaign setting

1623
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,119
where uh yeah basically you just create

1624
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:17,119
a copy of yourself basically yeah so

1625
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:18,079
that's that's your primary feature right

1626
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:21,920
there

1627
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:23,920
then from there you have ribbons which

1628
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,720
are basically

1629
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,359
not

1630
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,480
combat oriented additional features that

1631
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:29,359
are useful

1632
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,799
like

1633
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:34,000
say oh

1634
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:35,520
because you have an echo you're used to

1635
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,440
seeing through

1636
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,280
two sets of eyes

1637
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,079
so you get

1638
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,480
like

1639
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:45,520
advantage on wisdom uh perception checks

1640
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:48,640
boom ribbon something useful then you

1641
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:51,200
just build off of that primary ability

1642
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:54,559
and then most subclasses have their own

1643
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:56,400
formula like they all typically follow

1644
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:58,559
some sort of formula

1645
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,440
where it goes they have their primary

1646
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:03,760
feature there's a secondary ribbon

1647
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,440
a secondary feature

1648
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:08,720
something that builds on top of the

1649
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:12,720
primary and basically all subclasses

1650
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:15,359
follow that formula yeah and then like

1651
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:18,160
damage output like if you want to say oh

1652
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:21,520
this subclass has

1653
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,839
i don't know uh can fire energy blasts

1654
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,680
let's say why not and you know it gets

1655
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:27,760
it at this level you just treat it like

1656
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,559
a spell you say okay what's a spell

1657
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:32,720
equivalent to this level okay it does

1658
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:35,760
this amount of damage you're casting

1659
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:38,480
this spell as a feature basically

1660
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,400
yeah it's that feature spell mirroring

1661
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,319
that we've been talking about earlier on

1662
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,440
yeah i could i could write subclasses

1663
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:48,160
all day they are they are quite

1664
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,760
easily the simplest thing now building a

1665
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,960
class

1666
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:54,559
that is much much harder okay is that

1667
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,000
purely just because

1668
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,599
you're basically tripling the work

1669
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,200
because you've got all the other levels

1670
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:02,000
in between the subclass levels or is

1671
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,920
there more to it not only that but

1672
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,960
you're the one who's designing that

1673
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,119
formula

1674
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:10,240
and not only that but you also have to

1675
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:11,760
have a a general concept that the class

1676
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,119
embodies

1677
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:18,880
and then sub classes that

1678
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:21,760
build on top of that primary concept

1679
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:24,960
so for example the one that i created

1680
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:28,400
was the host which is basically your a

1681
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:30,880
half monster basically where okay you're

1682
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,880
tanky you have lots of constitution

1683
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,400
you're good at defending allies because

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you're good at having these high

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constitutions and drawing attention

1686
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:40,640
basically so

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you build off those different ideas so

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there's like being a fast tank

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01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:49,920
a damaged tank

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01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:52,720
a high ac tank uh you can

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01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,160
teleport different types of ideas that

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01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,559
help you

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01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,960
build the general idea of

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01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:00,960
being tanky basically

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01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,359
and all of the classes work off that

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:06,880
general concept where

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01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:09,039
wizards have lots of spells and utility

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01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,760
so they build off of

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01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:16,079
specializing within a specific utility

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:18,079
uh fighters are good at combat and have

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01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:20,880
those subclasses that build off of

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01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:23,760
either expanding their combat abilities

1703
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:26,799
or dealing additional damage

1704
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:29,359
paladins are good all around where

1705
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:31,680
they're high tanks and very defensive so

1706
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:34,480
they have auras which makes it so that

1707
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,400
you're good around being other allies

1708
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,640
uh smites

1709
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:41,520
uh various channel divinities that are

1710
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:45,280
good in certain circumstances usually in

1711
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:48,000
response to something but that's how all

1712
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:51,200
classes are built are based off of a

1713
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:54,319
primary concept and the subclasses build

1714
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,720
on top of that basically yeah yeah i saw

1715
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:58,079
a post recently that was criticizing and

1716
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,839
i can't remember for the life of me

1717
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:01,359
which subclasses it was but it was

1718
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:02,960
basically saying one of the subclasses

1719
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:05,280
they didn't really like that much

1720
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,760
because it wasn't doing that a lot it

1721
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:10,480
was almost you know standalone it didn't

1722
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:12,480
really build on the primary features of

1723
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,400
the class and then they compared it to a

1724
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,559
couple of others that really like take

1725
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,599
the class in a new direction while still

1726
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:19,599
keeping it

1727
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:21,599
thematically in the same

1728
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:23,839
arena which is i think really really

1729
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,039
really really good advice from yourself

1730
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:27,920
that you've just given us there of

1731
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:30,319
taking that core thread that cool ribbon

1732
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:33,440
and trying to spiral it out into a new

1733
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:35,680
direction and you've put it very well on

1734
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,480
why that's makes subclasses a lot easier

1735
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,880
because you've got that core framework

1736
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,640
there and you're just putting a flavor

1737
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,559
on it a spin on it exactly and all

1738
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,720
that's left is the numbers and as we've

1739
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:48,720
discussed before do you know

1740
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:51,359
rip those numbers from other

1741
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,720
features at a similar level and you're

1742
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:55,920
halfway there

1743
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:59,359
yeah exactly champion uh i think that

1744
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:03,039
pretty much uh brings us to the end of

1745
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:06,480
today's episode on homebrew is there

1746
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:09,039
anything you would like to plug uh yeah

1747
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,520
sure uh as previously mentioned at the

1748
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:14,720
beginning of this podcast i am available

1749
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,640
on twitter at mr boccodon

1750
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,520
you can find my products on the dm's

1751
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:22,480
guild just search my name kyle wagner

1752
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:24,240
toddy or kyle toddy or kyle wagner

1753
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,640
either is fine

1754
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:29,839
and those are the primary resources that

1755
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:32,640
i'm on i'm also on discord uh if you can

1756
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:34,880
find me and reach me feel free to do so

1757
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,039
awesome so yeah thanks again so much for

1758
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,160
coming on i feel like we've had

1759
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:39,760
a couple of really interesting

1760
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,400
discussions there about

1761
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,559
the trials and tribulations of homebrew

1762
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,400
both at the table and

1763
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:48,240
away from their table so i really

1764
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,240
appreciate your input no it was a

1765
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,319
pleasure speaking to you awesome uh

1766
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:54,880
thank you everyone for listening at home

1767
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:57,599
you can find me on twitter at download

1768
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:59,440
underscore dnd please drop me a message

1769
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:01,760
with any comments or interesting

1770
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,920
homebrew ideas or maybe any thoughts on

1771
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,400
the warforged druid feature we were

1772
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:09,039
talking about earlier on otherwise thank

1773
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,600
you all for listening and good night

1774
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:15,790
take care

1775
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:15,790
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