Happiness

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hello and welcome to another episode of

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thinking critically a d and d discussion

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my name is danilo a d d practitioner and

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i like all kinds of games and the

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crunching mechanics that make him tick

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this time we have simon eustis the

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beleaguered frederick belmont from our

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sister podcast dungeons dyson dudes and

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a man with limitless accents and that is

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not hyperbole before we begin for those

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at home this is actually

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simon's in my second recording thanks to

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some technical difficulties i managed to

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lose it all so

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here we go again round two thank you

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twice simon for coming on can you tell

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us a bit about yourself

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uh yep uh so

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as you said my name i'm simon nustus

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been playing d5e

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for just over

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four years

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i mean to the day exactly the same

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amount of time as you

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we started together

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had the idea to play at the same time

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together i think like most people my

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background in wanting to play dnd comes

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from video games i've always been a big

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fan of rpgs growing up with like pokemon

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and final fantasy

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that later evolved into

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fallout

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more final fantasy fire emblem i guess

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was like a big rpg that i played for a

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long time

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but yeah i think it's a running theme of

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your podcast that there's nothing quite

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like d i've never really been a big

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table top game player so it's all

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all very new and all very fresh to me

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very exciting still even four years down

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the line huh

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oh yeah every day's a school day

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okay all right then let's kick off and

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when i wrote my intro script for this

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this is

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the topic of today is happiness and my

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intro question sounds really dumb now

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but i want to stick to the format so

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here we go

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of course simon what does happiness mean

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to you

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well

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not to get too existential uh i'll keep

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it on the um realms of d and uh

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role-playing games

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it might be like a very very sentimental

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answer

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but i think happiness

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should be the main thing you're trying

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to get

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from

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a campaign or a session

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and i think that kind of overlaps a lot

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with

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enjoyment

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from my perspective i guess is what

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you're after i enjoy playing d solely

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for the social aspects and then when you

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couple that in with like

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it's basically a perfect storm to be

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happy playing d d you have to have a

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character that you enjoy playing as and

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i guess to some extent that you're good

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at playing as

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a dungeon master who

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a knows what they're doing or b is up

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for learning

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who can be lenient and strict in the

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same breath

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a group of players that you may or may

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not know i can't really say i've played

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with a lot of people i don't know before

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i guess when we started rob's campaign i

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still didn't really know most of those

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people at the table and you're of course

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talking about rob from episode one

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that's correct yep yeah i mean that's

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basically what our friendship at work uh

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started over was d d about two two or

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three years ago now

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but going back to the point of happiness

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like you kind of you kind of have to

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enjoy what you're doing otherwise you're

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spending four or five maybe more maybe a

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little bit less uh hours out of your

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week if you're lucky enough

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to not enjoy yourself and have a really

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bad time

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there's nothing worse than seeing other

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people have a good time when you're

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supposed to be having a good time

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i understand d d is not for everyone and

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hopefully everyone that plays has kind

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of found that sweet spot of what they

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enjoy

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you're just having a fun time with your

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friends

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and you know what can make you happier

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than that really

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yeah i was going to say that it's it's a

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social activity between friends right

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which i think is the draw for

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a lot of people introverts and

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extroverts alike

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yeah there are the game elements of it

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it's gamified obviously at the wazoo for

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the stats and the mathematicians out

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there but

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certainly in the groups that you and i

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play in and certain elements of my other

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groups that yeah it's a reason to spend

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some time with friends

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yeah exactly i think every

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session or every group that i've been

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involved with

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i kind of get the feeling that it's the

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hanging out part is what draws everyone

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i don't think i could

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commit or play

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a lot of sessions where it's just like

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no talking you know

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rules or rules only talk to each other

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in character

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i think if you listen to our

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podcast you can you definitely get the

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sense that we're there to have a good

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time and there's a lot of private jokes

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going on in the background whether that

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makes for good recording and good

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listening is uh still a little bit up

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for debate but um at least we know

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uh at least we know why we're there

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we're aware of those

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exactly yeah

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okay one thing that you mentioned just

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then which i picked up on that i thought

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was really really really interesting was

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you said one thing that

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can make a player more happy or have a

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have a more enjoyable time

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is that they were you know comfortable

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or good with their character and that

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got me thinking of like is the happiness

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of a player at the table intrinsically

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linked to that

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character they're playing here's my take

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on it yeah my take is that it shouldn't

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be it might be but it shouldn't be you

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should be character agnostic so you

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might

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enjoy playing a certain

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character

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yeah so for example i've got one

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i've got a dungeon tyson dudes character

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i've also got rob's character and then

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there's one there's one more and

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what i'm getting at is i don't think my

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personal happiness

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changes based on what one of those

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characters i'm playing

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yeah no that makes a lot of sense i

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think for me

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yeah maybe i'm

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not as good as disassociating myself

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with my characters like i've obviously

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rolled and played as a lot of characters

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that don't share

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a lot of my personality can't think of a

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recent example that maybe just early on

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when i was still kind of getting to

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grips with that i played like a very

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awkward

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build that seemed like god's mistake as

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i played it it was very

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weirdly thrown together just stuff that

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i thought was cool

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in the moment so i've kind of found it a

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little bit harder to because it can be

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frustrating kind of learning all of this

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stuff

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for me playing the game is the best way

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to learn it so i was maybe trying to

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cram in like way too much and

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found myself kind of at a loss in

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certain situations which just became

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frustrating because obviously it's a

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game so when you play you actually want

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to be good at it

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at least for me so yeah there were times

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where i was

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playing as like a certain character and

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i wasn't particularly happy doing it

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because

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i still didn't really know what i was

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doing and b the mechanics of the

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character didn't really add up and i

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think part of that is when i've kind of

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stuck to more cookie cutter builds and

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definitely nothing i've never had like a

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pre-made character or anything like that

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yeah but i've just

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since then i have been quite by the

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numbers in how i make a character

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because i feel like

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i think it was pointed out in the last

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podcast those stereotypes and archetypes

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are there for a reason and i think i

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might be guilty of min maxin but at the

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end of the day for me it's a formula

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that works and it just keeps me coming

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back to play it's actually the character

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that i rolled for the new um dungeon

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slice and dudes chapter that we're going

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into has been i want to say my most

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outlandish and i guess when we play uh

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we'll see because it might come across

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quite boring and quite vanilla

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but i think that is down to

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external factors like

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obviously the release of tasha's

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cauldron has really mixed things up i'm

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going off on a tangent but uh that's the

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point yeah like um

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yeah i think i just i i'm quite bad at

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disassociating with

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my characters and

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this is what the character should do

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but i'd enjoy the campaign a lot more if

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i did this yeah i'm aware the story can

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only progress if we do this yeah

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so maybe maybe that's something i need

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to work on

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uh is to kind of be as uh as you said

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character is not hypnosic as possible

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maybe i was being too naive or too harsh

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but i think you've convinced me to a

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certain extent that

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you people prefer to play things in a

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certain way so if you want to play a

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tank then people want to play tanky

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characters so i guess in that respect

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i'm i'm wrong there and that maybe

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somebody accidentally likes to play a

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tank but they accidentally pick a wizard

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then they're just you know inherently

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going to have less of a fun time

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yeah maybe i'm being a bit elitist in a

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way in that all characters are transient

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and you should never get attached

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because they're going to die and so on

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and so on

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that's see that's why you've never had

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any of your characters die in any games

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i've played with you because you're just

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detached

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somehow works yeah whereas i've had like

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at least three off the top of my head

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that i've been uh very close to

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maybe the first time one of them dies

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i'll just be crying in the corner for

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four hours and that's it that's it i

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changed my shoes

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it's been penced up for all these years

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yeah i don't care i'm not even worried

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about it

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okay it's not me yeah just a dumb

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character

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why'd you keep asking yeah take it or

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leave it really

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well i think what i'm beginning to think

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is that's maybe the reason why i'm i've

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built vic from rob's campaign to be

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almost unkillable i think it's probably

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helped with that uh i have to say yeah

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is that a barbarian paladin yeah he's a

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beast but that's such a huge ask and

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i've mentioned it before of players is

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to say especially

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if they know if the players are aware

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they're going to be going into a

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slightly longer term campaign so we're

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not talking about one or two we're

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talking about say 20 or more

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sessions of

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you know build this thing but by the way

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this thing you build

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might mean you don't have any fun

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i think there's like a subconscious

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element to it as well is like

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um not to compare it to like

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marriage or stuff like that or

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relationships but you are forming a

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commitment with this thing that you're

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kind of pledging yourself to like yeah

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i'm gonna

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do what's best for this character and

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i'm gonna make sure this character

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has positive effects for

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however long we decide to go into the

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future

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yeah i don't know maybe that's just a

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freudian slip

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no it's it is a commitment exactly that

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not just with the character but with the

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guys at the table and the dm yeah

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because no

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not that i have the experience but i

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imagine it's very unlikely for a

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dm transplant

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to happen successfully in the same way

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that like heart transplants can be a bit

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tricky

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[Laughter]

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if the dm decides to move on and do

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something else one of the players

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stepping up to do that is you know that

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campaign is probably pretty much

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dead in the water at that point so it's

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for sure yeah so what i'm getting at is

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its commitment there with the dm to say

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we're all going to see this through to

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the end come with me

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but that's such a huge

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yeah at six and one half a dozen of the

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other for me so yeah it's a commitment

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and yeah it's

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you will get more fun out of certain

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character archetypes than not but on the

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same breadth variety is the spice of

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life and

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you get to write the story so it's not

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like in say

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fire emblem or world of warcraft when

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you have

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tank classes and that's it like you're

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always going to be the tank oh you might

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be able to expect them to be dps but you

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know that they're not operating at peak

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effectiveness because you're kind of

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having to shove them in a different

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archetype whereas in

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d d

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that rigger is a lot less

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strict and you know that

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side of things is only one pillar out of

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three so you've got two others of

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role playing and exploration and social

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interactions to really take the

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character and the way you want it even

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if you're playing a wizard but you like

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tanky characters well then a

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like lean into it make the wizard you

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know interesting make him be a failed

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gladiator or something for sake of

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argument and then he he's gone well i'm

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just gonna lock myself away out of

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embarrassment and read books for 40

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years and then comes out the other side

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of wizard or

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and also you know as i'm saying like you

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can i mean wizard tank is difficult

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but it's not impossible so you could

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really lean into trying to make with

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like blade singing or any you know

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another kind of build you can have that

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flexibility to a certain extent so

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well what i'm getting at is to anybody

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who's listening who might be in that

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awkward situation of uh [ __ ] i'm in a

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campaign and oh am i having fun don't

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know is it because the character is a

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bit not gelling with me well then try

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and try and see it from a different

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perspective try and lean into some of

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the things you do like a bit more and

391
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lay off some of the things you don't

392
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like a bit more and that might mean you

393
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have a happier time would be my thoughts

394
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yeah it is very easy to kind of uh

395
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not to backpedal on what you were

396
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talking about last week with roles but

397
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it's very easy to kind of get caught up

398
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in

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okay i'm the cleric and all i need to do

400
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is

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stand aside and let everyone else do

402
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damage and just be where i have to be

403
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like

404
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dnd is just so open and like i said like

405
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sometimes you can have a build that's

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difficult to

407
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i just say there's there's no difficult

408
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builds it's just difficult to master

409
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like

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you know what they're going to be good

411
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at and deep down you'd know why you've

412
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made this character so to some extent

413
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you should know what they're good at and

414
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what they're bad at there's no

415
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inherently bad character built no

416
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you're absolutely right

417
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one of the

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characters that i have is a bard college

419
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of whispers i think it is

420
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okay i think i've done that before yeah

421
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i enjoyed playing that one complete

422
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opposite to your stereotypical bard so

423
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he was super nihilistic super ambivalent

424
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just hands off i didn't really care

425
00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,000
whether that person lives or dies so i

426
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already have a plan in my head so i'm

427
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not going to talk to anyone obviously

428
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bard is usually one of the faces of the

429
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party you know like charisma builds but

430
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in this case he was like well no my

431
00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,680
character doesn't

432
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doesn't want to so

433
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and that was

434
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sorry guys someone else is going to have

435
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to talk because you know he doesn't want

436
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it

437
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yeah i don't know i don't know another

438
00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:49,279
way to say it he doesn't want to talk to

439
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,880
this person and

440
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no matter what you say it ain't going to

441
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convince him

442
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yeah it is always nice to mix up i think

443
00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,880
like i always say like i've never had

444
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as much fun playing d and d as i did

445
00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,760
when i played as a bard and i think

446
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that's because

447
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i got the jack of all trades thing you

448
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can't really put a foot wrong

449
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they do have a stereotypical

450
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character

451
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which you're obviously a case in point

452
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you don't have to adhere to

453
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but because of the whole college thing i

454
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,959
don't really know when that came into

455
00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,279
effect unless that's been

456
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barred law since day one yeah i think so

457
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i think all the subclasses have always

458
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been well at least in fifth edition i've

459
00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,839
always been a college of something

460
00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,480
yeah and that really helps to kind of

461
00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:38,959
mix it up like mine was

462
00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,279
college of swords i think and i just

463
00:15:38,959 --> 00:15:44,000
based it off the movie kung fu hustle

464
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like the two assassins that kill people

465
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but with their schwann

466
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uh kind of thing so just based off of

467
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that like

468
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you know not as over a personality as a

469
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bard would be he's just essentially

470
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pretending to be a bard yeah

471
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musicians can get into quite high

472
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profile places no questions asked like

473
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you turn up somewhere with

474
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uh musical instrument on your back and

475
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no one's really going to ask questions

476
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yeah okay so we might have already

477
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covered it but what makes you personally

478
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happy when you're playing dnd there's

479
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very little that's comparable in terms

480
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of when you're playing dnd to like when

481
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the whole party is functioning

482
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as a unit kind of thing so

483
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not everyone knows their role but you

484
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may have an interaction like say it's a

485
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conversation and sparks of their

486
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personality all come out and you kind of

487
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get to have a laugh with your mates

488
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whilst having this silly conversation or

489
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if you're in battle and

490
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everything is just like clicking yeah as

491
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it goes and i kind of

492
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in a weird sense

493
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maybe it's just like how i see myself

494
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when i play or how i see

495
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my character in his role in the group

496
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was the character that i made for

497
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dungeons

498
00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:06,000
spoiler alert is a strategist battle

499
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master which kind of facilitates all

500
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these plays

501
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which kind of

502
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in my view not necessarily the leader of

503
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the group but certainly like the dad of

504
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the group

505
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there's like a wiseness there to be like

506
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okay well if i go over here i think it'd

507
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be best if you attack from this angle

508
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and you can heal

509
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this guy i've got all the stuff to kind

510
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of make that sort of happen

511
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i don't know if

512
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i don't say it out loud i don't know if

513
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that makes me a strategist or just very

514
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wanting to be very controlling of the

515
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situation the bossy the bossy dad yeah

516
00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,559
like oh battles are fun if they go

517
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specifically how i want them

518
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wrong

519
00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,240
yeah maybe i have just completely

520
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,320
stepped over what i said at the start

521
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saying there's no wrong way to play but

522
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,280
no no no let me tell you what to do yeah

523
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,799
and you'll have more fun yeah

524
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,600
well that's for the in-game characters

525
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to decide whether i appreciate it

526
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stratagems or not

527
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,919
yeah those are like the main things

528
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i think like deep down

529
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i guess because my background like i've

530
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always been

531
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you know stories are just like

532
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the most interesting thing to me like

533
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,480
whether that's tv

534
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literature comic books

535
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video games

536
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i'm quite conservative when it comes to

537
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buying video games because i have to

538
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,120
know if it has a good story even though

539
00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:31,200
i still play fallout 4 so that could be

540
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completely out the window and i consider

541
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,120
mel gear solid like the best story in

542
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video games good you you saved me from

543
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having to

544
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,640
murder you on the podcast

545
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but um

546
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if a dm has written a good story and

547
00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:45,520
it's kind of

548
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the way it plays out and the way it

549
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,000
flows to me that's like what makes me

550
00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:51,840
happiest and fulfilled and

551
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,120
everyone's engaged you know i like

552
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,520
people telling stories i'm not

553
00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:57,120
necessarily a good storyteller myself

554
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,960
which i think everyone listening to this

555
00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,840
podcast can attest to as i've gone off

556
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in about

557
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20 different times we're trying to

558
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,679
string a sentence together

559
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,880
pretty much that is the same for myself

560
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um what my what my notes say is juicy

561
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,360
role play between characters

562
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,400
yes

563
00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,559
it's not

564
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,720
something i've really really

565
00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:19,039
come into major contact with until we

566
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,039
started doing dungeons dyson dudes i

567
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:23,280
feel like sometimes we sit there and

568
00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:25,520
we'll have like a 10 minute monologue or

569
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,960
a 15 20 minute conversation just between

570
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:30,160
two characters and i know i've certainly

571
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,640
been a part

572
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,240
of at least two of those from memory

573
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,400
maybe more

574
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,280
and that makes me very happy because

575
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,559
it's like i've picked up

576
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,320
so much from the story and i've learned

577
00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:44,480
so much about my character that i can

578
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,799
just talk and talk and talk and

579
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,160
hopefully make it engaging and sticking

580
00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:49,840
with the plot and

581
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,080
make it relevant

582
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,760
did i just have all this prior knowledge

583
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,120
that gives the dm a little bit of a

584
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,960
break

585
00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,880
when i was younger i used to really like

586
00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,480
drama class and improvisation and stuff

587
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,799
like that in school and i think a lot of

588
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,559
people that do play d and d have even

589
00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:06,960
done that or have been interested in

590
00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:08,080
that yeah because i feel like outside of

591
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,520
that sort of stuff i am quite

592
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,080
introverted so

593
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,440
to have that means of expression is like

594
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,159
really really fun

595
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,320
and like when the person opposite you is

596
00:20:16,159 --> 00:20:20,400
in the same frame of mind as you that's

597
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,880
like so fulfilling and it's just like

598
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,080
yeah we we're now creating this world

599
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:28,320
it's now becoming a bit more of a

600
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,320
reality we're vibing right now

601
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,240
your vibes were off for applebee's but

602
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,840
let me tell you

603
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,880
they were killing there at the dnd table

604
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,000
yeah

605
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,360
the reason i mentioned it is because

606
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,440
there's there's nothing else like it

607
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:43,280
which ties into nicely with to what you

608
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,880
opened with in that

609
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,960
in video games

610
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:50,159
what would be the equivalent of the dm

611
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:52,159
is just this faceless unliving machine

612
00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:54,799
and what options you have in front of

613
00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:57,120
you are hella limited so it's can you

614
00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:58,720
talk to your party members kind like in

615
00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,559
mass effect for example can you talk to

616
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,840
your party members yes but will they say

617
00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:05,200
the same thing over and over and over

618
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,720
again yes so that immediately

619
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,440
you smash through that fourth wall when

620
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,200
it's

621
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,360
you know yeah the stage falls down

622
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,520
whereas in d d

623
00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:15,760
it's more rare for that stage to fall

624
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,159
down because every interaction is unique

625
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,840
between the players between npcs and in

626
00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:23,120
the players they're all

627
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,799
in universe there's no repetition

628
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:26,720
there's no yeah i've exhausted all the

629
00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:29,520
dialogue tree options and that's that's

630
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,840
what i like because yeah i love that

631
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,240
feeling of either when i'm an active

632
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,799
participant or just an audience member

633
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:39,039
is that oh i can see a conversation

634
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:41,120
starting here and someone's about to

635
00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:43,760
open up i'll grab the popcorn and strap

636
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:46,000
in for the ride that's what you know

637
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,840
either being a part of or not just to to

638
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,280
be like this is this we're witnessing

639
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,640
creation

640
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,640
yeah you know this is something new

641
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,280
that's being made and it's everybody's

642
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,280
just making it up and it's new and it's

643
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,360
part of the story and

644
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,840
that's cool

645
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:05,440
yeah and it's for me as well it's like

646
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,440
really cool to see how far and how deep

647
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,880
someone else has gone with like when you

648
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,720
find stuff out like

649
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,280
whether that's backstory or the reason

650
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,520
why they did or did not do a thing at a

651
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,440
certain point in time is like

652
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,640
yeah it might seem random at the time

653
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,480
but

654
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,840
someone else might take offense to that

655
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,320
and then you're

656
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,559
with a front row seat and we we find out

657
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:29,600
why it is just like the other day when

658
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:31,440
we were recording for ddnd when we kind

659
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,960
of found out the thing about one of our

660
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,640
characters mums

661
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,880
and we all were just like

662
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,159
[ __ ] we just didn't see that coming like

663
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,080
it was a character

664
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:41,360
my character had interacted with before

665
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,440
and it's kind of

666
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,120
in his own secret way like i guess i can

667
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,200
say it now because he's dead has like

668
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:49,039
obsessed over since the first time and

669
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,640
then it's like i've been traveling with

670
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,640
her daughter for like

671
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,400
the last couple of weeks

672
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,919
obviously i'm not saying all twists are

673
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,400
good

674
00:22:55,919 --> 00:23:00,880
like a night shyamalan a lot of twists a

675
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,400
lot yeah

676
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,840
and that's what it becomes hard to keep

677
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:08,720
up with but like a good one done well is

678
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,240
just fantastic and to be there when

679
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,559
two people

680
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,640
half improv it as well you're just like

681
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:16,080
i'm so impressed and i'm just so happy

682
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,679
to be here right now

683
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:21,600
yeah yeah likewise so let's

684
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:25,280
put this puppy in reverse for a second

685
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:27,120
okay because i wanted to talk about

686
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,600
you can't talk about happiness without

687
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:31,039
implicitly talking about unhappiness and

688
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,720
rather than saving that to the end of

689
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,760
the podcast i thought i'd bury it in the

690
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,679
middle

691
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,559
okay nice

692
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:38,880
so

693
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:41,120
what makes you unhappy and i'm not

694
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,960
talking about specific examples you

695
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:44,320
don't need you know anecdotes or don't

696
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,559
need to name names or anything but just

697
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,559
themes or motifs so i i would guess

698
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,520
what things you go oh okay that would

699
00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,400
have been

700
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,000
better if xyz had happened or yeah i

701
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,000
think it's only fair to talk about both

702
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,159
sides of the coin and to give everybody

703
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,600
a holistic view

704
00:23:58,159 --> 00:24:02,000
so

705
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,520
i think one of the main things for me at

706
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,360
least is

707
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,720
feeling like my character doesn't have

708
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:08,480
anything to do

709
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,120
again that might be me like trying to

710
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,720
smother the game and get my stink all

711
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:15,679
over it it's just like in every

712
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,440
situation i want my character to

713
00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:19,840
know what they're gonna do and

714
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,200
have an idea of what's going to happen

715
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,400
having said that though there have been

716
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,640
times where i have played sessions and

717
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,480
i've had nothing to do

718
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,559
and by design and i've just had to sit

719
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,159
back and watch like i remember

720
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:36,240
there's a few sessions where you're in

721
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:38,080
my dm and my character was trapped in a

722
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,640
title oh yeah i remember that it was

723
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,559
either half a session or two halves of

724
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,080
two sessions he was just trapped in

725
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,000
there and

726
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,960
i was still like a novice player back

727
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,320
then i was like i literally have no idea

728
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,919
what to do

729
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,520
i don't know if my character knows what

730
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:54,960
this kind of enchantment is

731
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,039
but then that's when it's quite nice and

732
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,799
i had taken a backseat and i was just

733
00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:00,640
watching everyone else play i was like

734
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,400
well you know maybe i can get an idea

735
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,159
from watching we were playing with

736
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,760
people that were more experienced than

737
00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:07,840
two of us as well

738
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,799
so i was like maybe i can pick up on

739
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,480
something

740
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:12,400
i like how i say you know talk about

741
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,960
times you're unhappy don't name names

742
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,960
and the first

743
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,440
yeah cheers thanks anyway that's in the

744
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,840
podcast guys so uh yeah

745
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,000
um but i think like thinking back on it

746
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,840
i wasn't unhappy

747
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,080
with the situation sure because it was a

748
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,240
really good storytelling technique and

749
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,440
it was it resulted in quite good

750
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,039
character arc

751
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,120
but it was just like

752
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:39,200
i don't know maybe because i'm sometimes

753
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,640
i can be quite fidgety and i try to

754
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,400
bring a lot of energy to d and d

755
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,279
sessions so i'm just there and i'm just

756
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,159
like

757
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:47,760
oh cool i'm like so penned up but i have

758
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:49,039
like nothing to do and it's quite

759
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,440
frustrating that

760
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:53,360
i don't know my character well enough to

761
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,880
get out of this situation but sometimes

762
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,400
there are situations that you can't get

763
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,080
out of or you can get out of them in

764
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,840
ways that you don't like

765
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,440
the main thing that makes me unhappy

766
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,679
though would be

767
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,840
it's a very broad answer but it's just

768
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:07,279
meta gaming yeah i'd like to think that

769
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,200
when you're playing d d you're with a

770
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:11,600
bunch of people that are all on the same

771
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,640
wavelength in how you play

772
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,400
and then you're about to get into a

773
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,400
situation and someone's like oh so

774
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,000
what's your ac and do you know this

775
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,760
spell because if you do

776
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,320
you know at least

777
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,559
it's fine to have those conversations

778
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,000
but try and bring it up

779
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:28,720
as a character

780
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,240
yeah but would your character ask that

781
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,120
would they know

782
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:36,159
what spells are like what spells exist

783
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:38,559
yeah my my stance on that is

784
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:39,760
it's easier in an odd way to start with

785
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,200
a group of

786
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,559
player characters that don't know each

787
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,320
other because then they have to learn

788
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,880
all that up on the fly and as soon as

789
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,200
someone casts lightning bolt then the

790
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,720
rest of the party can go oh you can

791
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,480
shoot lining from your fingertips that's

792
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,760
a big deal let's talk about that rather

793
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,440
than if they've been traveling together

794
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,039
it's just the characters know he can

795
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,400
shoot lightning but the players don't

796
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,880
and then you have a huge disconnect

797
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,960
there which is tricky to overcome from a

798
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,799
strategy point of view and then in

799
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,240
combat when it's like you go over here

800
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,000
how are you looking how many specials

801
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,919
have you got left

802
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,520
firstly you've got limited time you've

803
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:13,520
got six seconds to

804
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,279
fight and then also maybe scream a

805
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,840
command at somebody so you're not about

806
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:19,279
to be like oh let me just check i've got

807
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,480
oh you know i've got a couple of slots

808
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,320
at this level and a couple of slots at

809
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,360
that level oh i didn't pack that spell

810
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,440
today sorry sir so it's that's that's

811
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,480
you're super limited by the rules the

812
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,200
words

813
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:34,240
spell slot should not be in any dng

814
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,080
character's vocabulary

815
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,320
but yeah i had another training thought

816
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,399
but it disappeared into the i must have

817
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,440
expended that spell slot of thought but

818
00:27:40,399 --> 00:27:43,600
um

819
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,919
yeah just they would never ask those

820
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,640
questions sometimes they get asked of

821
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:51,520
how are you looking uh well there's two

822
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:54,080
knolls tearing me to pieces right now so

823
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,320
yeah you put two and two together

824
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,120
yeah when people play with their

825
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,000
game brain rather than their character

826
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,440
brain

827
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,200
they're the ones doing themselves into

828
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,159
service um

829
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,720
obviously you can play it as a more

830
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:10,480
strategic game yeah like your advanced

831
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,880
wars and like your fire emblem but i

832
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,279
just feel that that's doing the game a

833
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,799
disservice almost you know

834
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:19,440
funnily enough as if you're playing a

835
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:22,000
tank in world of warcraft as a dps

836
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,240
you're not really playing it at its peak

837
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,919
efficiency if you want to play

838
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,480
a strategy game

839
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:30,640
there are 10 million strategy games yeah

840
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,720
that do it a million times better than d

841
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,200
d so why would you

842
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,799
deliberately hamstring yourself to play

843
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,559
it in d and d when you've got two

844
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,559
huge pillars of

845
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,480
with nothing you can get anywhere else

846
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,919
yeah in video games just just kind of

847
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,320
like kicking the dust over there waiting

848
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:50,480
for you to be like yeah but

849
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,000
he's limping but it's because he got

850
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,600
caught in a bear trap and he was six

851
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,679
years old but you don't know that

852
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,039
because you never asked him and he's not

853
00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:58,559
limping because he's getting hurt in the

854
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:01,200
fight like that that's there you go

855
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:02,640
that's just improvisation

856
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,720
for you there that's the key word for

857
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,320
today yeah yeah yeah okay

858
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,360
you know we're going to redo the podcast

859
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,880
it's called

860
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,039
improvisation however that is a really

861
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,799
good title for one if i don't already

862
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,799
have it feel free to steal that thank

863
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,480
you one final thing just in case you're

864
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:20,080
about to move on that does make me

865
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:22,399
unhappy when playing d is lack of snacks

866
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,640
it's critical component yeah

867
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:26,640
yeah like a spell component yeah i think

868
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760
it's kind of a given in every session i

869
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520
played you

870
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,399
you at least bring something for

871
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,480
yourself or for the table so

872
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:35,840
to not see any turn up is absolutely

873
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,559
heartbreaking and you know you're gonna

874
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,919
have a bad session

875
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,559
god i'm glad i didn't leave this to the

876
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:44,399
end because that is sad

877
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:46,240
one thing that i

878
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:47,600
wanted to mention on that note and then

879
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,159
we'll start talking about fun stuff

880
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,000
again is

881
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:54,000
and here's the good segue from meta

882
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,039
gaming into what i'm about to talk about

883
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,720
and it's going to be quite an

884
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:58,640
interesting point of discussion because

885
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,480
mine was

886
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,399
that when their level of the average

887
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,320
level of rule knowledge is below what i

888
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:07,360
would consider necessary to run an

889
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,600
effective game which kind of contradicts

890
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,039
the meta gaming thing

891
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,039
because obviously if you don't know the

892
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,960
rules you basically almost can't make a

893
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,880
game to a certain extent yeah

894
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,360
so you can kind of solve that problem

895
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,360
but you've introduced another problem to

896
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,480
solve it so i guess the solution to both

897
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,640
of those is

898
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,880
just like in life harder work of

899
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,200
a to learning the rules and b

900
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,600
knowing how to not met a game but then

901
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,520
once everybody gets to that stage

902
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,520
then in my opinion everybody should be

903
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,880
having more fun you've kind of stepped

904
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,840
back and you've said i know what i can

905
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,120
do

906
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,240
and i don't need to worry about what

907
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,399
they can do because my character

908
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,799
wouldn't now i can just play the game

909
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:48,000
almost there's no barriers to entry

910
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:49,360
anymore there's no walls being put up of

911
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,360
i really need to know how many how much

912
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,840
hp he's got because that will change who

913
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,799
i attack but that's a barrier there

914
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:59,120
you've artificially introduced

915
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:01,440
a barrier to your own happiness by

916
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,960
trying to think about it in that way and

917
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,640
the moment you can start to knock down

918
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,559
those and let go

919
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,960
then it can bring everybody's happiness

920
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:10,640
up there was there was a tweet of

921
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600
someone yesterday quite a popular one

922
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,760
that said

923
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,440
never be anxious about not knowing the

924
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,480
rules and i'm going to take this

925
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,279
opportunity on my own damn podcast to

926
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,279
disagree with that

927
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,559
in that we talked about it before and

928
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:27,519
that i think players have a

929
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:29,919
responsibility so the dm has a bunch but

930
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,919
also the players have a responsibility

931
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:34,159
and you can never abstain from that

932
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:36,000
responsibility so sure first couple of

933
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:38,240
sessions or if you haven't played for a

934
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,720
decade yeah you're gonna be like wow i

935
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,039
don't know what's going on fine yeah but

936
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,200
as we've all said everybody's there to

937
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:48,159
have a fun time and to come out the

938
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,440
other side happy everybody is playing

939
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:52,159
together

940
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,039
in both of those sentences there's no

941
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:56,480
differences there between dm and players

942
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,679
everybody's there to play together to

943
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,440
have fun

944
00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:00,880
there's no different objectives there's

945
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,320
no different targets

946
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,000
which is what howie was saying in the

947
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,039
last one and that the roles of the dm

948
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,880
and the players are actually pretty much

949
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,840
exactly the same

950
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,919
and you always see memes about group

951
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,279
projects at school highlight how there's

952
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:15,279
always there's always the one that

953
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:17,519
doesn't do any work and rightly paints

954
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:19,519
them as the pain in the ass and dnd is

955
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:21,600
the same it's a cooperative effort for

956
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,799
everybody together and in my opinion as

957
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,159
soon as you

958
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:27,840
unbalance that knowledge seesaw too much

959
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:29,679
then things are to fall off because

960
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,679
you're shifting your responsibility onto

961
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:33,760
other players who already have their own

962
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:36,640
responsibility and it can work for a

963
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,080
little amount of time but i think

964
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,880
it's one of those things where it's just

965
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,960
like

966
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,000
yeah by all means do not worry about

967
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,840
knowing the rules and by extension don't

968
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,240
worry at all about knowing all the rules

969
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,960
if you watch things like critical role

970
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,600
even matt mercer doesn't know everything

971
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,480
and he's kind of like the deity the

972
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,679
higher deity of uh like the dnd

973
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,760
community

974
00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:02,480
i also listened to

975
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,960
podcasts called dungeons and daddies and

976
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,399
majority of dope people playing this is

977
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,399
their first game

978
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:10,480
but and this is where i think it is most

979
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:13,120
important they know the rules that

980
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,279
surround their character

981
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,279
and i think we spoke about this on the

982
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:18,320
last recording that's been lost in the

983
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,000
ether

984
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,279
you're not going to pick up on all your

985
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,880
rules

986
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:26,799
instantly because it's quite

987
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,440
subjective and

988
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:32,320
situational but as long as you have like

989
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,000
a decently firm grasp of what your

990
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,519
character can do

991
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,640
yeah then you shouldn't really be afraid

992
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,200
to ask

993
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,840
the dm or take someone at the table for

994
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,880
a quicker side and just be like

995
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:47,600
why should i be scared of

996
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,120
a treasure chest that has teeth and is

997
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,000
laughing yeah that's experienced it's

998
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,279
like oh

999
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,840
that's not a treasure chest that's a

1000
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:56,159
mimic that's that's a pretty bad example

1001
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,640
but there's things as a new player that

1002
00:33:56,159 --> 00:34:00,399
you're just not privy to yeah yeah but

1003
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,000
down the line you're doing more and more

1004
00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:03,840
research or you'd like to think that

1005
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,320
you're doing more and more research

1006
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,639
because d d is one of those games where

1007
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,399
what you do outside of a session

1008
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,079
is almost as equally as important as

1009
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:14,159
what you do in a session

1010
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:17,280
i've always been quite guilty of

1011
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:20,240
not putting the work in outside of dnd

1012
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,399
sessions but at this point it's not too

1013
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:24,240
particularly bad even though now i've

1014
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:25,200
just wrote a character that has a ton of

1015
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:27,040
new

1016
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,720
rules and features i like to think i

1017
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,879
kind of know that stuff now i've learned

1018
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:32,480
my lesson before but again it's like

1019
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:34,480
knowing what situations your character

1020
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,960
thrives in and where they might need

1021
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,280
work and where you can include like

1022
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,280
funny perks and stuff like that or their

1023
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,280
of their character for me that's the

1024
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,159
main way to learn but you shouldn't

1025
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,079
really be going into d d i'd say

1026
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,599
individually because i've been there for

1027
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,440
like when groups of people wanted to

1028
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,119
learn to play so when everyone's like oh

1029
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,159
what does this do what does this do you

1030
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,919
actually kind of have everyone's

1031
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,520
attention when you do that but if you're

1032
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:59,839
a new player

1033
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,760
you should at least make some effort to

1034
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:03,839
kind of understand some of the rules and

1035
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,000
i do get like a lot of people

1036
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:08,320
are too afraid to ask someone more

1037
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,480
experience than them for help especially

1038
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,320
on something like dnd because it's a

1039
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,200
question that you expect

1040
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,720
to

1041
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,040
get a 10 minute answer and then you're

1042
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,880
in like a three hour conversation yeah

1043
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,480
yeah i definitely think everyone has a

1044
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,720
responsibility when it comes to that

1045
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,720
sort of thing

1046
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,280
[Music]

1047
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:37,440
cool thank you let's move back on then

1048
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:39,440
to sunnier climbs of have you dm'd

1049
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,240
before i can't remember i've never i've

1050
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:46,960
never done it no i uh i've been writing

1051
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:48,560
one for two years a one shot uh one shot

1052
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,359
for two years

1053
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,680
oh i say writing it for two years as in

1054
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:55,280
thinking about it okay for two years it

1055
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,520
was it was one you're a part of it was

1056
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,880
it's a sequel to one when nathan first

1057
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,960
dm'd us

1058
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,880
i want to say last year but it could be

1059
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,680
longer than that it was where my

1060
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:08,160
character turned on the party oh yes i

1061
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,880
recall yeah yeah and we kind of did that

1062
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,480
in mind where that's going to

1063
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,920
come up and then that'll be my

1064
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,520
introduction to dma um okay have you

1065
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,760
enjoyed the

1066
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:23,599
preparation you've done in that time of

1067
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:25,839
the two percent i've completed

1068
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,839
yeah it's nice like you said when you're

1069
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:29,040
seeing two people rp you're witnessing

1070
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:30,880
creation

1071
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,760
on like step down from that i kind of

1072
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,599
like

1073
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,520
i guess i'd say i'm not very good at

1074
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:38,079
coming up from my own ideas

1075
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,160
but i can base stuff and work off of

1076
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:42,320
other people's ideas so nathan's already

1077
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,079
put in the hard work and has created

1078
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,160
this world and these characters and

1079
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:48,000
everything like that then i can be like

1080
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,480
oh well let me take that and then i can

1081
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,640
put this spin on it not to kind of

1082
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,520
fellate myself i guess would be the best

1083
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,160
term but if you think of someone as

1084
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,160
ridley scott doing alien

1085
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,000
and then you have james cameron

1086
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,000
completely turn it on its head but be

1087
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,440
faithful and make aliens

1088
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,680
that's the kind of

1089
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,839
approach i'd like to take

1090
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,040
to doing a one-shot although i think

1091
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:14,640
alien is a superior film

1092
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,599
you keep that to your own film podcast

1093
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,599
yeah yeah

1094
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:24,640
so from my perspective from a dm

1095
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,400
what i get a lot of enjoyment out of um

1096
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,000
if i hadn't muted myself at the time i'd

1097
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,880
be squealing is

1098
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,359
when

1099
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,480
the players have that juicy rp i don't

1100
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:35,040
know there's a theme happening i like

1101
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,960
doing it and i like watching it bothers

1102
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,160
wow don't don't take that sound boy out

1103
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,160
of context anybody

1104
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,359
wow cool

1105
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,880
uh

1106
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:49,599
i like watching people roll play in d

1107
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,760
and pick my words very carefully now

1108
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:54,960
and also like interacting in those

1109
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,760
settings but also because that's where i

1110
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,079
feel

1111
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,400
to have a really successful game

1112
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:02,480
you need to do that to a certain level

1113
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,040
there needs to be those

1114
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,720
interactions those

1115
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,839
how do you guys talk to each other how

1116
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,200
do you guys think about each other and

1117
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:10,640
one thing

1118
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,320
going off of what i've spoken earlier

1119
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,079
about is

1120
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,640
everything and this is a this is a

1121
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:20,720
critical component everything

1122
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:22,160
that happens in game is role play

1123
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,079
everything

1124
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,440
which isn't like i keep using world of

1125
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:26,720
warcraft as an example because someone

1126
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,560
i'm most familiar with but in world of

1127
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,760
warcraft you learn tailoring as a

1128
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,280
profession

1129
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,520
you're learning that

1130
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,320
unless you're on a role play server

1131
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,320
which i believe are the minority you're

1132
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,240
learning that for a mechanical benefit

1133
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,400
you're learning tailoring to make

1134
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:44,480
bandages and to make clients and to make

1135
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,520
bags and stuff that you can sell to make

1136
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,880
money

1137
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,359
and in say

1138
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,880
fire emblem you know when you are

1139
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:53,119
putting the arches on the back line and

1140
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,640
stuff like that it's it's it's all

1141
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,720
typically

1142
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,839
mechanical benefits because that's you

1143
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:02,079
want to win and you need to win to move

1144
00:38:58,839 --> 00:39:04,079
forward whereas in dnd even if you lose

1145
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:05,760
you're still moving forward

1146
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:08,240
there's still

1147
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,560
things happen time moves on

1148
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:12,480
and everything you do in d is is

1149
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,520
role-playing so you're using a great

1150
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,880
sword why how how can you even pick that

1151
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,240
up where did you get it from is there

1152
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,839
anything special to you

1153
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,960
how do you how do you kill this guy oh

1154
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:24,720
you prison shank him okay why do you

1155
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,560
why are you doing it like that that

1156
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,720
isn't just

1157
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,240
asking the players for fun

1158
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,119
you know excuse me i'm not asking the

1159
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,560
players

1160
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,320
for work i'm not asking them to do

1161
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,720
homework and tell me

1162
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,640
name 101 ways you can kill a goblin like

1163
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,320
that's not why i'm doing it i'm asking

1164
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,800
what does your character do in this

1165
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,480
situation because everything they do

1166
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,400
colors

1167
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,119
that character

1168
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,280
and that's what makes me happy is seeing

1169
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:53,440
people lead into those colorings these

1170
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,480
colorations and being like okay yeah i

1171
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,280
am a big

1172
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,850
i do wield the great sword but

1173
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,079
why and not just because it's 2d6

1174
00:39:59,850 --> 00:40:03,920
[Laughter]

1175
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,680
or 1d12 i can't remember which way round

1176
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,000
it is but you know what i mean like why

1177
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,400
does he do that so that's what makes me

1178
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,560
happy from a dm perspective alongside

1179
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,280
as all great artists do working on work

1180
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,119
that may never see the light of day and

1181
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,440
being your worst enemy it's never

1182
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,200
completed yeah yeah

1183
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,200
that concept of even if you lose you're

1184
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,720
still moving forward

1185
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,240
i think it's quite a nice way if i do

1186
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,720
say so myself

1187
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,130
to toot my own horn to use the safe for

1188
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,319
work version simon

1189
00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:34,800
[Laughter]

1190
00:40:32,319 --> 00:40:36,400
is is a good you know

1191
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,319
even if the whole character if you even

1192
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,960
if you have a tpk

1193
00:40:38,319 --> 00:40:43,040
there are 101 different ways to keep

1194
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,319
playing in the same universe

1195
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,760
but yeah

1196
00:40:44,319 --> 00:40:47,359
you honor those characters in some way

1197
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,359
so like statues get built in their honor

1198
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:50,720
or you meet their family who are

1199
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:52,000
obviously shocked that their father's

1200
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,560
been out adventuring and has

1201
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,680
unfortunately passed away and you're

1202
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,720
still tying it together and yeah you

1203
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,040
might be playing with a bunch of new

1204
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,119
characters but that story's moved

1205
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,599
forward the enemies won that battle what

1206
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,440
does that mean for the nation at large

1207
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:07,119
well a whole bunch of stuff if it was a

1208
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,960
critical battle that's

1209
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,800
that's huge and maybe the new bunch of

1210
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,079
characters you bring in you know two

1211
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,160
weeks later

1212
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,680
uh oh that city's now been overrun and

1213
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,960
you can't go there because your

1214
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,960
character's failed and there's no

1215
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,040
statues to them actually

1216
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,319
everybody hates them because they failed

1217
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,400
and

1218
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:26,880
yeah i kind of like the idea that in a

1219
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,920
campaign you're playing not as the main

1220
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,520
characters

1221
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,680
you're a group of adventurers but you

1222
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,200
keep turning up or

1223
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,280
you're not the most famous group of

1224
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,400
adventurers you're just third or fourth

1225
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,400
rate and

1226
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,440
you hear of this corruption in a city

1227
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,280
and by the time you get there you're

1228
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,720
like oh yeah the group already

1229
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,599
sorted that out and then you're just

1230
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,040
like

1231
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,359
ah [ __ ] how are we gonna make a name for

1232
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,040
ourselves or how are we gonna make money

1233
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:51,760
when there's this other group that are

1234
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,440
just us but better yeah it kind of

1235
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,880
points into the fact that

1236
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,200
in dnd

1237
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,680
you may play as characters but they're

1238
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,520
not necessarily the main characters

1239
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,000
i think like 90

1240
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,319
of games they are but it is a very

1241
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,480
interesting idea to explore

1242
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:10,319
the the apprentice the only other

1243
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,720
dnd podcast i listened to is called not

1244
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:14,720
another d podcast and their whole first

1245
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,800
campaign was called the campaign after

1246
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,119
the campaign and the whole premise was

1247
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,359
that there's already been three heroes

1248
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:23,520
of legend you know three level 20 people

1249
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:25,359
that basically ascended to almost

1250
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,000
god-like status and save the world from

1251
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:29,760
a cataclysmic event and that the players

1252
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,680
in that campaign are now picking up

1253
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,760
loose ends that they might have left off

1254
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,560
because yeah the previous people were

1255
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,520
still

1256
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,359
human

1257
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,359
in in the context of d d and so still

1258
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:41,359
made mistakes and still had loose ends

1259
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:42,800
and still left yeah some people hated

1260
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:44,400
them because of the actions they took

1261
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,920
left them in ruin yeah so yeah that

1262
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,680
stuff can happen and maybe that's your

1263
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,319
player characters yeah to draw it back

1264
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,760
to like a reference i think this might

1265
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:53,760
be off topic but something like

1266
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,400
mandalorian i can't remember if you said

1267
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,640
you watch it or not soon season one yeah

1268
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,359
yeah where it's just like yeah the

1269
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,839
empire got destroyed but it's not like

1270
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:06,240
overnight all their resources got taken

1271
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:08,640
away and everyone burnt the stormtrooper

1272
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,000
armor and he's the one picking up the

1273
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,440
odd jobs and

1274
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,599
around about this time

1275
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,680
yeah there are like other characters and

1276
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,920
first order is coming into

1277
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,520
fruition but you don't necessarily see

1278
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,040
that so sometimes it is

1279
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,040
quite nice to

1280
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,160
play as characters that are kind of

1281
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,160
maybe it's why i've always been

1282
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,839
attracted to like

1283
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,359
side characters or

1284
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:31,440
support

1285
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:32,880
you don't have the main focus

1286
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,640
like everything's kind of going on

1287
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,960
around you and you're just kind of like

1288
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,040
every man who this actually affects in

1289
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,280
the real world

1290
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:44,160
i guess it kind of brings real world

1291
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,680
experiences into dnd it's just like you

1292
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,359
play as dnd you

1293
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,000
you play as these adventurers you

1294
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:52,000
destroy a city but it was for the good

1295
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,200
of the city because of corruption and

1296
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,480
everything like that and it's like no

1297
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,040
these are affecting

1298
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,560
people as well your role

1299
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,240
should

1300
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,000
yeah again it comes down to the role

1301
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:04,160
play your role play should

1302
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,160
you know affect other people as well and

1303
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,400
you should be aware of that

1304
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,640
talking about sideline characters just

1305
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,560
reminded me of fire emblem again isn't

1306
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,040
there usually like a farm hand or at

1307
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,839
least i think an awakening you could get

1308
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,319
so in awakening there's um

1309
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:22,480
i keep want to say rickon but it's not

1310
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:25,119
it's the guy who has the saucepan yes on

1311
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,640
his head he's just like

1312
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:28,400
i can't even remember his reason for

1313
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,800
like you wouldn't believe that i played

1314
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,200
like 150 hours of it but i've completely

1315
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,119
forgotten why he it's the stupidest

1316
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,520
reason why he joins

1317
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:39,920
the adventurers and he's just like a

1318
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,040
yeah he's absolutely terrible but

1319
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,560
he's one of those characters that you

1320
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,400
can just build his stats and he becomes

1321
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,000
one of the best because

1322
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,440
they're all

1323
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,680
experienced

1324
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,119
travelers and he is just a guy on a farm

1325
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,040
so obviously he's not going to be as

1326
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:55,040
good as everyone else yeah it's kind of

1327
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,040
a good exercise in making you explore

1328
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,560
bonds between characters

1329
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,720
that's just me gushing over fire emblem

1330
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,720
yeah

1331
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,480
please please i do like that idea though

1332
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,000
of playing

1333
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,839
someone who's almost been wrapped up in

1334
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,599
a whirlwind and just happens to be

1335
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:15,680
alongside wizards and sorcerers and you

1336
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,460
know assassin rangers and all this other

1337
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,480
crap and they're just they're like

1338
00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:21,680
[Laughter]

1339
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,119
we're fighting like eldritch

1340
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,200
monstrosities right now guys there's no

1341
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,000
one else like losing their [ __ ] mind

1342
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,359
there

1343
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,200
yeah

1344
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:30,839
no i've killed seven different eldritch

1345
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,480
monstrosities this week

1346
00:45:30,839 --> 00:45:34,480
oh okay

1347
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:39,920
i'll take your word for it

1348
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,079
so that would be uh yeah interesting

1349
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:46,200
character to play i think now you're

1350
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:46,200
making me want to re-roll again

1351
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,960
um that's a good

1352
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:51,920
that is a good segue actually because

1353
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,880
the next topic i was gonna bring up is

1354
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,359
player

1355
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,680
player character happiness so we've

1356
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:00,960
discussed in the podcast in a number of

1357
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:04,880
previous episodes about how characters

1358
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:07,040
should have goals um or to put it

1359
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,480
another way yes you can play and

1360
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,400
nihilistic

1361
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,880
kind of ambivalent

1362
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,480
i'm just here because i want to do

1363
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,839
something but then that that in of

1364
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,000
itself is a goal they want to do

1365
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:19,760
something otherwise they would have just

1366
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,880
rotted away in some back rooms somewhere

1367
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,800
so

1368
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,480
my point being is that the goals of

1369
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,680
player characters can be so wonderfully

1370
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,280
varied and presumably the attainment of

1371
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,400
those goals makes player characters

1372
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:35,119
happy so i guess my question to you is

1373
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,800
let's just spitball here of what makes

1374
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,400
some good character goals for a player

1375
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,839
character you know maybe maybe some

1376
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,240
people are listening and are struggling

1377
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:43,680
to make a character as we speak or maybe

1378
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,839
they've found themselves with characters

1379
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,240
that don't necessarily have very clear

1380
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:49,839
goals and therefore they're struggling

1381
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,800
to find

1382
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:55,200
that link you know what makes them happy

1383
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,839
so i used to be really really guilty of

1384
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,680
when i'd make characters go absolutely

1385
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:01,359
all out on the backstory

1386
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,040
who they are where they've been where

1387
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:04,880
they come from

1388
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,359
and i would say where they're going but

1389
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:10,079
i've always always used to write up to

1390
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:12,640
and then they met this adventuring party

1391
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:14,880
and then i'd never think beyond that and

1392
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,000
i've always had a bad habit of just

1393
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,640
making these

1394
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,720
free-flowing characters either whether

1395
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,559
that's easier to do or i just haven't

1396
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,000
known what their goals are yeah but i

1397
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:27,280
think the way i've dealt with it

1398
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,640
recently is them joining a party is a

1399
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,960
distraction

1400
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,240
because i think a lot of people

1401
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,839
write

1402
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:38,160
it's very rare like d players will

1403
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:39,440
roll a party that do already know each

1404
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,920
other

1405
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,839
yeah and think about it now

1406
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,040
why wouldn't you it makes it so much

1407
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:46,880
easier

1408
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,559
i'm kind of doing half that in like

1409
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,640
another campaign that i'm playing like

1410
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,319
one of my characters knows one of the

1411
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,400
other characters and then another one

1412
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:55,680
has been brought in as a stranger

1413
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,720
which makes for quite an interesting

1414
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,720
dynamic

1415
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,400
yeah character goals are

1416
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:01,839
it's it has always been something i have

1417
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,440
struggled with i think i think it's

1418
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:05,040
tricky to be fair to you i think it's

1419
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,359
tricky because

1420
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,359
as certainly as players when you've been

1421
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:11,520
dming for length of time it gets easier

1422
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:13,280
because you can yeah you know what vm

1423
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,880
wants and you can kind of think about

1424
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,880
stuff that wouldn't throw off their

1425
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,040
plans too much but as players come out

1426
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,880
the gate is very difficult to be like

1427
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,480
maybe i just want to make a huge amount

1428
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,720
of money okay that's great that's at

1429
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,240
least you've got something yeah and you

1430
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,920
you feel that that's enough but then

1431
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,920
when you get in game and say suddenly

1432
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,760
you make two thousand gold

1433
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,680
is that where's the line is that it's

1434
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,440
not enough or do i actually want 20k oh

1435
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,760
god i had no frame of reference and then

1436
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,079
maybe you do get 20k and then they go

1437
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,319
okay well bye then and then just leave

1438
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:44,720
yeah i think that's kind of like where

1439
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:46,640
improv and development can come into

1440
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,359
like something like that it's just like

1441
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,520
i kind of feel like i had that for um

1442
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:53,520
honey alongside vinegar in rob's

1443
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,200
campaign was he just wanted to make as

1444
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,960
much money as possible

1445
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,920
and then over time

1446
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,200
that led to him becoming really greedy

1447
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,119
and then it was like okay the

1448
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,720
opportunities are drying up

1449
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:06,800
but i still want to make more money

1450
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:08,240
which made him quite

1451
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,400
vicious and

1452
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:12,960
going back into his backstory he used to

1453
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,520
he he was a few hundred years old so for

1454
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,480
a while he um used to work for one of

1455
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,319
the bosses

1456
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,319
that we force against or i think that

1457
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:22,400
was where we last left it a character

1458
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:24,559
that we'd come into contact with it had

1459
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,400
never come up because the organization

1460
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:29,200
was so big he'd obviously never met his

1461
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,359
boss he knew who he was but bossman did

1462
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,800
not know he was under his employee and i

1463
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:34,559
think from there it was just like i

1464
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,680
spoke to rob who's dm in that one i was

1465
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,200
like okay

1466
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,960
it makes sense that this character's

1467
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,400
starting to change and

1468
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,760
the bitterness is starting to come

1469
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,559
through because

1470
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,240
greed has always driven him whether he's

1471
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:48,400
been helping people on the right side of

1472
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:52,079
the law or the wrong it's always been

1473
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,079
about money and greed for him so he's a

1474
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,359
bit more kept to himself and he's a bit

1475
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:58,400
quieter

1476
00:49:55,359 --> 00:50:00,160
maybe the group kind of notices that and

1477
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,119
there was a turning point where he kind

1478
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,520
of lost everything including his oldest

1479
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:07,839
friend or his most trusted

1480
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,079
colleague and was just like

1481
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:12,240
okay and then he kind of fell into his

1482
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,760
old habits it's like this isn't

1483
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:17,119
something i'm going to easily recover

1484
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,720
from but i know a quick fix

1485
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,359
to get out of this and that's to

1486
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:23,119
reassociate myself with people that will

1487
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:24,640
always give me work even though it's the

1488
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,440
wrong kind of work

1489
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,200
but

1490
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:31,440
i'm so scared of losing everything again

1491
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,280
i just need to know

1492
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,960
that i'm supported even though they

1493
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,559
already are like he was

1494
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,960
i wouldn't say incredibly wealthy

1495
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,720
character but had businesses and

1496
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,440
stuff like that but the thought of

1497
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:45,839
losing it was scarier than

1498
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,319
anything else and i think

1499
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:49,760
when you know your character

1500
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:52,319
quite in and out

1501
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,960
it actually makes it quite a fun way to

1502
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:57,119
to kind of develop their characteristics

1503
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,599
i i don't know if it came through well

1504
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:01,680
but i always tried to kind of act it

1505
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,200
mm-hmm i wanted

1506
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,960
everyone playing at the table to see

1507
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,559
that i was playing this character yeah

1508
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,920
differently and i tried to get myself

1509
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:10,160
into a different frame of mind because

1510
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,240
it's like yeah his personality is

1511
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,079
changing for the worse and i want

1512
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:16,400
everyone to be aware of that with the

1513
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:18,960
way he talks in the way he acts yeah you

1514
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,640
gotta exaggerate sometimes because yeah

1515
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,839
for sure yeah one thing you learn as a

1516
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,680
dm is that players are obviously

1517
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:25,599
thinking about 200 things at once so

1518
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,359
it's very easy for

1519
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,520
tricks and hints and tips to fall

1520
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:31,119
through the cracks let alone that's true

1521
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,040
yeah just just being a bit more of a

1522
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,599
bastard for a day can very easily just

1523
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,640
be written off as simon's having a simon

1524
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,400
day and

1525
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,559
nothing nothing to do in games so yeah

1526
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,960
you do need to sometimes exaggerate the

1527
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,880
actions and but you you've you've

1528
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,280
basically described in one character

1529
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,400
maybe about three different

1530
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,559
legitimate goals for you know for a

1531
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,599
player character to make them happy so

1532
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,359
well

1533
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:57,200
maybe not make them happy but avoid

1534
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:00,800
unhappiness is probably the better way

1535
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,520
to put it so greed just a one word goal

1536
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,839
is

1537
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,240
pretty good just to say i'm willing to

1538
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:07,839
do a whole bunch of stuff to get money

1539
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:10,960
or to get items

1540
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:13,280
if it aligns with this group of crazies

1541
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,720
that are walking around and dungeon

1542
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,480
delving and stuff well then fine i'll

1543
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,440
tag along just to make some money and

1544
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,079
then

1545
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,280
that's a really good goal because it

1546
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,640
opens up

1547
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,920
you've got so much character development

1548
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,240
there maybe they

1549
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,680
eschew that and become a family man and

1550
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,839
go nope there's more to life than just

1551
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,599
material like humiliation or they double

1552
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:33,200
down and become a big bad evil guy

1553
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:34,720
because

1554
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,920
they go hang on i'm traveling with four

1555
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,440
people here that i've got loads of stuff

1556
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,000
and i want it so

1557
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,359
let me let me work that way it's quite

1558
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,240
hard for me as well because sometimes i

1559
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:45,760
feel like my character's goals do change

1560
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:47,599
that's great that's just development

1561
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,440
yeah yeah for sure like frederick is a

1562
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,960
perfect example of that his goal

1563
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,800
essentially was to be

1564
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,800
the new king of the harpers because i

1565
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,839
felt like he was kind of egotistical

1566
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,000
enough to

1567
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:59,520
feel like he could make that difference

1568
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,640
and he was slowly turning his back on

1569
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,480
his face

1570
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,720
and then when

1571
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,400
he needed it the most it wasn't there

1572
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,200
for him because i guess he always sort

1573
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,920
of relied on it and it kind of changed

1574
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,240
the arc of his character and i felt like

1575
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,720
changed his characteristics a little bit

1576
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:19,119
in the fact that he was no longer this

1577
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:20,000
self-righteous ego driven

1578
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,240
i

1579
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,400
deal with information and i can find out

1580
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,680
anything i want because that's what the

1581
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,520
harpers do

1582
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,200
which in a sense like if you know harper

1583
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,720
law that's quite

1584
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,160
that's frowned upon like you're doing it

1585
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,880
for the good you're not doing it for

1586
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,280
leverage and then his whole

1587
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,800
goal was i don't want to be the leader

1588
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,079
of this organization anymore i just want

1589
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,160
to be accepted

1590
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,890
by my faith again mm-hmm but it's dead

1591
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,240
now so

1592
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:46,960
[Laughter]

1593
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,160
spoilers for the assassin dudes podcast

1594
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,119
there

1595
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,960
oh yeah you might want to edit that out

1596
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:55,520
that that ship is long sailed so i'll

1597
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,440
just smash the uh spoiler tags in the in

1598
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,520
the description um

1599
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,839
and then also um we were talking about

1600
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,119
the end of the world stuff so most or a

1601
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:04,720
lot of

1602
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,920
campaigns will have something that

1603
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:08,960
threatens

1604
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:11,599
at least a local area a local space and

1605
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,680
whether you're good neutral or evil

1606
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:15,839
that is bad

1607
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,200
because if even if you're evil and you

1608
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:18,800
like killing people

1609
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,760
well if this other guy kills everybody

1610
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,119
well there'll be no one enough for you

1611
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,400
to kill so

1612
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,599
okay well then i'm not you know that

1613
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,240
character's not going to be happy

1614
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:29,920
anymore so yeah there are a lot of ways

1615
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:31,359
to tie that kind of antagonistic and

1616
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,040
protagonistic

1617
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:37,359
goals to a singular

1618
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,040
entity and if it's if it's you know some

1619
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:40,000
cataclysmic event that pretty much

1620
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,799
covers

1621
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,599
all bases and yeah it's that avoiding

1622
00:54:42,799 --> 00:54:46,960
unhappiness so hey if if my city gets

1623
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,799
destroyed

1624
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,079
because some dude wants to summon a

1625
00:54:48,799 --> 00:54:51,520
tarasque

1626
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,920
well then hey that's

1627
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,200
that's where my linen shop is and

1628
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,440
i built that lending shop in my own

1629
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,440
hands i don't want that to happen so

1630
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,850
you'll be happier i'll be a lot happier

1631
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:05,359
if i didn't have to worry about it

1632
00:55:01,850 --> 00:55:07,200
[Laughter]

1633
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:08,960
it's probably the driving you could just

1634
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,480
have that one sentence and that could

1635
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,799
drive a whole character

1636
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,720
off of yeah i mean i'm already uh

1637
00:55:12,799 --> 00:55:17,119
spitballing stuff in my head like he can

1638
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,880
be that character that's like i've never

1639
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:21,119
done anything like this before

1640
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,760
i just order loose yes source of income

1641
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,880
and my business yeah but please please

1642
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,880
help me

1643
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,760
you know i know this is a bad thing to

1644
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,440
do but i have like minor selfish

1645
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,440
reasons behind doing what i need to do

1646
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,400
yeah exactly

1647
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,359
so

1648
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,359
this is an another good segue into

1649
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:42,079
the happiness of

1650
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:43,280
non-player characters so npcs and

1651
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:45,839
there's going to be some overlap here

1652
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,799
with previous episodes but so what do

1653
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:52,079
you think makes npcs happy what makes

1654
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:52,079
npcs happy um

1655
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,839
so

1656
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:58,559
i think i've kind of been spoiled with a

1657
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:59,599
few games where npcs kind of provide a

1658
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:00,720
role

1659
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,559
in

1660
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,839
let's just say like off top of my head

1661
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:07,680
like um providing side quests or

1662
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:09,280
thinking of pokemon as an example they

1663
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,640
just give you stuff a lot of time

1664
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,119
especially in the more modern games like

1665
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,040
they'll give you pokemon or here's 10

1666
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,799
pokeballs whereas

1667
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,880
examples i can think of it might not

1668
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:20,799
strictly be limited to that and it might

1669
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,839
not be the best example but it's what's

1670
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:24,799
on my mind is um final fantasy

1671
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:26,720
like

1672
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:29,520
some will

1673
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,400
give you a hint into

1674
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,200
a

1675
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,400
microcosm of backstory of the area that

1676
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,200
you're in

1677
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,960
but you know a real world perspective is

1678
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,400
you're making your character just walk

1679
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,119
up to someone

1680
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,119
a stranger and engage in conversation

1681
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:47,200
they're going to say literally anything

1682
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:49,040
to end that as quick as possible

1683
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,520
and i think it was in your last podcast

1684
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,520
you would talk about saying like hey

1685
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,200
this person's got a nine to five

1686
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,839
you're asking them a bunch of questions

1687
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,480
you're inconveniencing them they're not

1688
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:03,119
just static items for you to interact

1689
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,760
with to get information and i think that

1690
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:08,640
can be like when role-playing and the

1691
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,640
dm's universe can really kind of start

1692
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,480
to take up a life of its own when you're

1693
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,119
kind of like no they're

1694
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,040
they're not here to be part of a game

1695
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:19,119
they're not part of the game you know

1696
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,680
these are just people that are going

1697
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:23,440
about their everyday lives and

1698
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,520
some will want to come with you on this

1699
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,559
adventure and you may invite them on the

1700
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,960
adventure

1701
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:31,680
some may want to come and they have no

1702
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:34,880
credentials to be anywhere near swinging

1703
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:37,200
a great axe or a warhammer others want

1704
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,119
to be left alone

1705
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,839
this person might be

1706
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,680
on their way to a wedding so there's no

1707
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:45,839
chance they're going to talk to you

1708
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,160
i think it's quite a common factor in a

1709
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:50,720
lot of modern games where

1710
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,160
why should npcs exist

1711
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,040
because i think everyone's played like a

1712
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:57,119
million games where they haven't existed

1713
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,640
kind of showing their age like

1714
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,559
going back in time where there wasn't

1715
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,559
enough pixel count or

1716
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:04,799
a budget to uh

1717
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:07,200
to allow for npcs so they have to serve

1718
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:10,400
a purpose and if that purpose is to

1719
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:12,559
bring an area to life by

1720
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,480
lack of a better phrase blowing you off

1721
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:16,319
then um then yeah that's what they're

1722
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,920
there for they're there to make it seem

1723
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:19,200
more realistic

1724
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,000
i think a good point there you talked

1725
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:24,480
about pokemon and you could ask anybody

1726
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,319
if they remember the name of the npc

1727
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,160
that gives them 10 pokeballs well can

1728
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:29,440
you can you remember the name of the npc

1729
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,960
that gives you that potion and the

1730
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,240
answer will be no i don't care they just

1731
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,599
they literally they may have just put a

1732
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,680
potion on the ground and you just picked

1733
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:38,480
out yeah because i remember one uh pro

1734
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,559
folks aid he was like if you catch this

1735
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,079
pokemon it's he's the first person to

1736
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:44,640
ever give you something so he's a good

1737
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:46,160
example of talk to random people and you

1738
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,760
might get something

1739
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,200
which is like a

1740
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:54,559
staple in rpgs and i've always kind of

1741
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,240
thought of it as a weird kind of meta

1742
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,240
commentary where

1743
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,319
take the time out of your day to get to

1744
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,839
know someone you don't know because

1745
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:04,960
there might be something in it for you

1746
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:06,880
whether that's material or existential

1747
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,880
or something like that

1748
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,720
but i think that's just me looking way

1749
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,280
too deep into it

1750
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,760
the life lessons on this yeah

1751
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,599
boom yeah like everything you need to

1752
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,839
learn in life you will

1753
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:21,440
learn from uh rpgs

1754
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:24,079
i've now completely forgotten the one

1755
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:26,960
that's the parody with the mess

1756
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:28,319
oh earthbound earthbound yeah that's if

1757
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,799
you want to get ahead in life just play

1758
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:30,799
earthbound

1759
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,359
wow that's uh yeah

1760
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:37,839
you need to start charging for these

1761
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:39,760
podcasts so like you know life lessons

1762
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:41,359
to get ahead in business yeah you know

1763
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,520
like business people read like the

1764
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:45,040
secret or something i think for like for

1765
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,960
gamers and everyone is just play

1766
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,280
earthbound and uh

1767
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:53,200
you'll get ahead

1768
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:55,359
okay so i my my thoughts on that were

1769
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,720
as i discussed with howie

1770
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:57,920
is that obviously they're going about

1771
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,240
day-to-day life and as we talked about

1772
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,559
with you and yada yada so i guess what

1773
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,040
would make an npc happy or the the

1774
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:07,359
happiness of npcs is

1775
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,400
as it is with everybody and this sounded

1776
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:13,560
a lot more uh revelatory in my head

1777
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,520
is is not dying so

1778
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,359
[Laughter]

1779
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,119
which obviously you go to speak to

1780
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:20,799
anyone on the street and you say we're

1781
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:22,000
dying make you unhappy they probably go

1782
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:23,920
yeah

1783
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,680
they would which obviously goes without

1784
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,440
saying but it's so it's weird that that

1785
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,440
thought there's bound to be someone

1786
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,119
that's like uh ask enough people and

1787
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,119
they'll be like a

1788
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:36,799
a bane fanatic and they're like could

1789
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,799
you please sacrifice me

1790
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,359
so yeah it sounds it sounds stupid but

1791
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,799
the critical point to take away from

1792
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:44,880
there is that

1793
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:48,559
the fact that i even had that thought

1794
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:50,319
proves that even to you know i say even

1795
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:52,400
to me like i'm sitting up here in my

1796
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:54,960
ivory tower but

1797
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:58,000
having made a million npcs it's even to

1798
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:00,079
me it's still very important to think

1799
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,160
what do they want and what do they need

1800
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:05,920
and it's something i never

1801
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:07,680
you know it's it's hugely important of

1802
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,240
this person yeah it doesn't want to die

1803
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,559
okay rule number one fine got that in in

1804
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,799
the ground so that's going to be a huge

1805
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:17,359
driving factor for the interactions but

1806
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:19,680
maybe maybe just above that they also

1807
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:21,839
want their kid to go to school

1808
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,680
for example and maybe just above that

1809
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:25,359
they want to win a

1810
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,520
pie eating contest that's coming up at

1811
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:29,760
the weekend there's all these myriad of

1812
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,119
different things that might make npcs

1813
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,880
happy

1814
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:36,799
to dms out there

1815
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,640
use those half-baked character ideas and

1816
01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:41,280
use those

1817
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:43,200
4am fever dream

1818
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,280
in the middle of the night waking up and

1819
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,240
swear of i want to make a character that

1820
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,119
is

1821
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:51,119
the the front end of a fish in the back

1822
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,480
end of a donkey and it flies around on a

1823
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,880
magic carpet

1824
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:58,160
don't you know use those crazy crazy he

1825
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,160
wants to open the pie shop

1826
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:03,119
to go with his linen shop from earlier

1827
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:04,559
on to start building that network

1828
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:07,520
um

1829
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:09,119
use those to to make interesting npcs

1830
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,400
there's there's opportunities there to

1831
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:12,319
be like

1832
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,680
like the real estate the realtors from

1833
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:16,240
from honey and vic

1834
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,200
that they'll be real estate agents that

1835
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,520
want to

1836
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,720
land and want property and maybe there

1837
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,520
are some that

1838
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:26,240
don't care how those uh homes become

1839
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,039
available again and perhaps a mission

1840
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,920
for

1841
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,880
a

1842
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,400
kind of neutral evil party would be

1843
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,400
go and murder the people that live in

1844
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,599
these houses because i'm going to pay

1845
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,880
you a shitload to do it because i'm

1846
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:39,680
going to make a shitload when i flip

1847
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,680
them so yeah

1848
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:46,240
so yeah there's a lot of

1849
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:48,000
wiggle room there i think for npcs

1850
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,720
did you have anything else you wanted to

1851
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,599
talk about in terms of happiness

1852
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:55,599
more just advice you know just if you're

1853
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:57,520
playing d d and you find yourself coming

1854
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:58,400
away from sessions not particularly

1855
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,680
happy

1856
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,319
with how it's going

1857
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,599
talk to the dm or talk to the members of

1858
01:03:02,319 --> 01:03:05,680
the people that you're playing with

1859
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:07,520
maybe talk to the dm first because

1860
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,559
that's probably the person that you're

1861
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,520
going to know

1862
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,400
best

1863
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,480
maybe

1864
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,160
and just see where

1865
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,240
no i was going to say see where you're

1866
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:18,559
going wrong not necessarily saying

1867
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,640
you're doing anything wrong but just

1868
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,160
why you can't connect with

1869
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,599
the game why you can't connect with the

1870
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,359
other characters why you can't connect

1871
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,720
with your character

1872
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:27,520
because at the end of the day you know

1873
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,760
it's

1874
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,599
you're hanging out with your mates

1875
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,920
you should be doing it for the right

1876
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:36,319
reasons like i know that people get a

1877
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:38,240
lot of existential joy from playing d

1878
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:39,440
working through their own

1879
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,319
issues

1880
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,920
and

1881
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:43,760
you'd like to think people are doing

1882
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,160
that with happiness

1883
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:49,280
on the other end of that being the goal

1884
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,200
i'm kind of talking in a lot less

1885
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,599
metaphorical sense you're just you're

1886
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,559
just there to hang out and have a good

1887
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:56,079
time

1888
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:58,960
depending on what your idea of a good

1889
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:01,200
time is like i'm not much of a

1890
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,520
club kid so i think i'd rather play d

1891
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,680
and that's where i get my jollies

1892
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,160
sorry i think yeah like

1893
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,400
just make sure you're having fun

1894
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,039
yeah like it's really really simple

1895
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,359
advice but it seems simple but it really

1896
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:17,760
isn't and your point of talking to the

1897
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:20,000
dm first but not only because yes you

1898
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,839
might know them best but not necessarily

1899
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,680
but only because they they have

1900
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:26,000
the bigger picture so if your problem is

1901
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:28,880
maybe with another player i don't like

1902
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:31,280
how that player treats my character the

1903
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,799
dm might be in a position to say ah

1904
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,319
there's a reason why

1905
01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:36,240
yeah your character just doesn't know

1906
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:37,599
yeah so this is not an out of game

1907
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,000
problem this is actually an in-game

1908
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:42,000
problem so yeah and if i wasn't to put

1909
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,760
myself in those shoes i would say well

1910
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:46,480
give it a shot try and lean into that a

1911
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,559
bit more bring it up in game rather than

1912
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,559
outside of game and if you as a player

1913
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:52,400
are still not having fun then okay we've

1914
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:54,160
tried it doesn't work

1915
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,079
fine we'll have to think of another way

1916
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,160
to to make you start to have fun but

1917
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:59,839
it's always that talk to just talk to

1918
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:02,240
everybody yeah you're there to have fun

1919
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:04,319
and if that is literally the the binary

1920
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,480
choice of are you having fun yes or no

1921
01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:08,720
there's no weird hidden things there's

1922
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,079
no second questions or second guessing

1923
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,280
it's just you know are you having fun

1924
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,960
yes or no

1925
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,599
are you happy yes or no

1926
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,359
okay no well then let's sort it out

1927
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,359
done yeah

1928
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:21,359
you know it's not like you can't change

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or we can't do this so we can't do that

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it's it's the the how you fix it should

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be priority number one and the first

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step on that is talking to somebody

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[Laughter]

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well these are the life lessons

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i'm just going to take out all

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references to d and then republish it

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it's just

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[Laughter]

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a self-help podcast yes

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next next episode is relationships so

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and if that isn't on my list of topics

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it is going to be now so

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i've given you two for free yeah yeah

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there we go that's good value for money

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there

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all right then well in which case

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uh we are just about at the end of

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today's topic in today's time so

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thank you very very much simon not only

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for recording once with me but for

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being willing to come back on again to

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record a second time any time uh is

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there anything you want to plug

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uh yeah of course we've got

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i was going to say our own meaning

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you're part of it uh part of a bigger uh

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story a bigger campaign

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we've got a podcast called dungeons

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dyson dudes which follows a campaign

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set in the world of ramarus at point of

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recording we're about to go into the

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second chapter but point of release

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we're probably two or three episodes

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away from that

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so sorry if i've spoiled any of that

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leading up to it well hey hey chapter

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two is a good place to jump back in

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right so uh yeah yeah of course yeah

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i'll have a new character so

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it'll be a nice refresh

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also

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you can't see it but i've grown my

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moustache out for november uh helping to

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bring awareness to

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i think the charities changed it used to

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just solely be for awareness of prostate

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cancer but now it

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uh crosses a whole broad spectrum of

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issues that affect men not exclusively

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but

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it's a conversation that needs to be had

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so it's quite nice to help shine a

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spotlight onto that

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download has linked myself in the

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instagram post so you can follow that

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and follow my bio i'm fully aware by the

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time this comes out

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november might have been and gone but

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just in case i think we'll come in just

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on the uh the 27th so

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okay and either way you can still donate

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afterwards i think can't you of course

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i'll drop a link in the episode

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description and i would i would

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recommend people do because every year

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simon does it and no matter how much of

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a person that should appear in a number

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of registers he looks like

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he still endeavors to do it so please

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please do

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take a look at that is there anything

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else uh no that's it those the those are

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the two main things all right uh if

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anyone has any thoughts or comments on

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the the weird wacky roller coaster

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topics we've discussed today you can

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tweet me

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at download dnd

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otherwise thank you all for listening

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and good night

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thank you

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