Emotion

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hello and welcome to another episode of

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thinking critically a d d discussion my

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name is danilo a d d investigator and i

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like all kinds of games and the crunchy

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mechanics that make them tick i am also

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now available on facebook and instagram

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so just have a search for thinking

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critically dnd and drop a little follow

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and like

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the topic of today is emotion

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and i'm joined by manny aka the growed

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up geek thank you

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ever so much for coming on can you tell

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us a bit about yourself

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yeah hi i'm manny

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i'm 42 year old predominant dungeon

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master from uh united states and i've

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been playing d d most of my life dungeon

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mastering mostly and i just feel like

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it's the part that i gravitate towards

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the most and

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have the most

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fun with as well as i think a space for

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real discussion players are kind of a

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very personal thing and dungeon master i

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think is like a much bigger broader

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concept that uh should be discussed it's

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a it's a cool thing and it's a it's a

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big responsibility and i think you owe

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it to your players and to yourself to to

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do it right and have conversations like

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this

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yeah for sure i've said in previous

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podcasts that like there's a

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responsibility on both players and dms

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but for sure it's it's a different

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responsibility that there is one but

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it's it's a different one

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yeah it's a it's a relationship that two

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people have or engage in that you

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everybody has their end they're not the

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same but everybody has a responsibility

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so that it's mutually beneficial can i

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put it better myself and that's a really

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good start for the topic of today which

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is emotion

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so what do you think of when you hear

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the word emotion within the dnd context

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within dnd i feel like it's this

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idea

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that everybody has maybe in the back of

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their minds but i think it's a

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it's a much bigger thing in all facets

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of the game than people really think

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about or maybe even acknowledge that

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the motivation for anything is

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based on a feeling on you know feeling

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unsafe get out of the way all these

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things and i feel like everybody wants

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to do the cool thing

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fight the dragon defeat the lich but i

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feel like the best

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dungeons and dragons comes from a much

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more emotional

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place and that's what separates just

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playing dungeons and dragons and oh i

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slayed the dragon yeah it was fun and

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you know oh man it was it was amazing

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and then you tell people about it

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it's the emotion is what is what your

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catch is to

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really be invested and even

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express it outwardly that you felt this

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thing and you want to tell people about

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it

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well we are really starting with some

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really juicy stuff this is great and

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you've touched on so many really good

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points there so for starters you've

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basically said it's it's a human

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experience right it's it's a bunch of

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humans playing together and it's almost

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a microcosm of life

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in a way that you can't really get

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elsewhere so you mentioned there about

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you know people want to do the cool

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thing like kill the dragon slay the lich

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which is great but

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you know you can do that in many many

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many video games where you're playing

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with or against them a machine

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so you're kind of lacking the the human

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element there on the other side of the

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table what dnd gives you is that the

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whole experience

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inherently emotionally driven

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yeah i mean

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like i think

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maybe it's a little easier to understand

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on the players and the player characters

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and

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you are personifying this person paladin

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cleric whatever and you

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personally have come up with this

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character you are not you know an actor

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on a tv show who is personifying a

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character that somebody in the writer's

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room came up yes you're invested it's

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your job and you want to be you know if

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you're kid harrington you want to be the

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best jon snow that you can but to a

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certain extent jon snow is not kit

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harrington's character it's george rr

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martin's filtered through the tv writers

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down to kit harrington

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where with dungeons and dragons your

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character is your own you are the writer

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executive producer and the actor

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you know in the

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grand sense that brings that character

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to life and the more invested you are in

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that character

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you get down to not just oh my cleric

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can do this that's really cool you get

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into the the nuts and bolts of who that

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character is

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and your decisions as that character are

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made ideally in my world as the dungeon

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master made from an emotional place you

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inhabit this character so much that its

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emotions

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motivate its slash your actions

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and yeah you know from a player that's

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that's a little easier to understand i

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think from my perspective as the dungeon

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master

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my goal is to

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put you in situations

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that will elicit an emotion and you know

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you watch critical role or any of the

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bigger stream games that they have clips

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on youtube of crazy things that happen

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and their reactions and

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even without context if you see those

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you watch and you watch this group of

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people have this crazy spontaneous

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natural reaction

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that you go all right these people are

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definitely invested in it emotionally

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for that reaction

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and then from my perspective on the

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other side of the screen is the dungeon

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master you know in my own kind of

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maniacal puppet master way

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my belief is i

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set these wheels in motion for you to

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have this reaction and this emotional

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outburst if you will and that's what i

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live for you have lived that your

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character has achieved something or

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overcome something and that's your

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emotional thing

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mine is watching the players

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do it

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and at the end of the day i think that

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kind of

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reaction and that moment is what i and

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ideally i'd like to believe most dungeon

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masters live for not just oh i set this

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thing up they chased down all the clues

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they slayed the dragon yay but all the

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obstacles they overcame how invested the

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players are

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and the more everybody is invested

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emotionally into whatever you're doing i

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just have a hard time believing that

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that's not the best way to achieve the

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best end result of whatever it is that

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you're looking for yeah i completely

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you know you always

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i always feel like you have to be so

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careful nowadays to say you know

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everybody's games their own and and so

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on and so on but i am i completely agree

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with you and i'm a strong proponent of

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you know get invested because the more

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you put in

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the more

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you'll get out and those emotional

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payoffs those gut punches those tear

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jerkers are gonna be what sets it apart

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from

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playing diablo 3 on the couch for

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example like video games are an

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interesting example let's take something

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a little more rpg-ish like dragon age

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any of the dragon age games is there an

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inherent freedom similar to that of

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dungeons and dragons yes kind of

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but at the same time your character

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choices aside from aesthetically usually

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are limited you're the mage and your

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story is set by bioware

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and if the story that bioware is telling

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hooks you

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you know a good for you i'm happy that

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they hit their mark with you but that

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doesn't achieve it for everybody

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you know these characters i might not

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relate to granted i can play three of

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them however i want but even within the

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scope of what they've offered me i'm not

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really emotionally invested i'm a

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passenger on this

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thing you know i just get to watch it

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unfold where i help

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but in dungeons and dragons because it

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is so personal

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that i feel like your investment into

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your character and its well-being and

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its achievements and everything

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should be almost a default starting

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point for

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for players

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people who are really into it i mean not

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everybody has to be super invested and

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it's fine if you just want to come out

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and roll some dice and

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talk with your friends that's great too

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you know i have a couple of those guys

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in my group and i'm glad to have them

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they're my friends we have a good time

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yeah he needed a balance

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yeah and i have a couple of players in

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my group who are super invested and when

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we started our campaign because there

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was so many first timers i told them i

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was like look here's the deal you know

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gave him the big overview you know the

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selling points and then said

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now that we've established what this

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game is going to be and you have an idea

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of your character you have the option do

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you want a super in-depth

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character arc in this campaign that i

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will work in

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uh yes cool i'm gonna need ammo for that

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so give me a backstory and two of the

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guys did two of them didn't they were

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perfectly content much more of a live in

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the moment kind of a thing

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and you know at the time it was cool and

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looking back on it part of me wondered

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you know oh man are these are these guys

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going to be invested they don't want an

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overarching story they just want to live

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in the moment whatever that means and i

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know my entire group uh we've been

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friends for years uh two of them i've

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known for uh ten or more years wow

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um and so from knowing them personally

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outside of the context of dungeons and

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dragons i knew these guys i know what

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makes them tick i know where i can poke

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at him to aggravate the person and

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dungeons dragons you know the idea with

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your characters you basically either

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play you or not you

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and most of them played a heroic version

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of themselves which is totally great my

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character is a riff on myself and so

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that helped me know

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what emotional buttons i could push with

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them

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what was going to motivate

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them to do something

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how i could and this is going to sound

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kind of evil but how i could knowingly

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manipulate their emotions into doing

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something that was against

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the best interests of their character

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because i know them as a person yeah

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give them money they will do anything

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without thought of consequence and that

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led to a whole thing where one of my

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players basically killed the only living

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family

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that uh he had left because he was

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presented with an opportunity to make

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money real quick with no work

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and then

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with that comes once it plays out

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that his sisters had died from a

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poisoning in a horrible fashion

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there was a genuine like emotional

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response from him and

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i'd set it up this wasn't an accident

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but at the same time he was so invested

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in that component of his backstory

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knowing that he was the one who

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sabotaged it

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was emotionally devastating maybe even

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unfairly so

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you know the consequences of him being

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impulsive were probably a little harsh

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and i got this genuine reaction like we

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had to take us you know we had to take a

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break from the table he had to go gather

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himself and

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part of me goes that was some great

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dungeon mastering you know i enlisted an

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emotion like a very visceral strong one

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that's what you want but then the

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consequences thereof

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is that i manipulated a friend of mine

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into doing something that was going to

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hurt him

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his character and possibly even his

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enjoyment for the game

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because i wanted this

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illicit emotional response and

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it's a thing that even now we don't we

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don't even really kind of joke about it

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wow it's still a sore subject

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and you know i have to live with my end

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of it that i like i said i feel bad i

331
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set a friend of mine up to do this

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but on the other side that helps me

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sleep at night is

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he was so invested in this character and

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the character's needs at that moment

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that he did something against his

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characters probably better judgment and

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the players better judgment because he

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wanted to see his character's emotional

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needs met

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and

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you know like i said the consequences

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were awful and i do still feel bad about

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it

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but i like i said executed better i feel

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like that kind of scenario is what every

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dungeon master and player should want

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from their dynamic yeah it's difficult

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to do really well i think and i'm not i

350
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don't want to sound like i'm talking

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from experience or anything this is all

352
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kind of speculation on my part but it's

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easy to do really badly and difficult to

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do really well so it's very easy to pull

355
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the rug out of your players as a dm

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funnily enough i think i was reading

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yesterday was about you should never

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ever everything should be foreshadowed

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so you shouldn't have a trap which is

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just like the hill you know the hills

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are alive and

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the players if they fail a roll they

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he'll eat them and they die that's no

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fun

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but it's a piece of cake to orchestrate

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as a dm you can do that same way with

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kind of soft attacks so emotional attack

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says it's a busy cake to set up some

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contrived thing that causes the players

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to accidentally kill their kid or

371
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something like that or something like a

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horrible grim nasty outcome but to do it

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in a way that is

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the payoff is genuine but you know isn't

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gonna make you lose sleep

376
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it's probably one of the hardest things

377
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to do like setting up combat encounters

378
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is can be tricky but it's mechanical

379
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it's maths at the end of the day it's

380
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math yeah it's you can you can do it but

381
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what isn't maths uh humans and emotions

382
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at the most the opposite end of

383
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you can get any further away so yeah i

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envy you in a way and i have set up a

385
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number of really long burn

386
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emotional

387
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payoffs

388
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i just hope that will elicit a fraction

389
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of the response that your player got

390
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from the the things that i've set up

391
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you mentioned uh when we talk about

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video games and dragon age and things

393
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like that and

394
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he was saying about it can be

395
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potentially hard to get invested in

396
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those characters because

397
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i'm thinking of more rpgs where you're

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playing a

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more of a character that's like um deus

400
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ex for example you're playing i forget

401
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the name of the main character but um

402
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yeah cool haircut sunglasses yeah that's

403
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the dude a cool dude

404
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he's very flavorful he's full of

405
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character he's clearly

406
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a cyberpunk aesthetic kind of thing so

407
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there you're already limited with how

408
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invested you can get just like you said

409
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i don't want to play a cool haircut

410
00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:01,040
sunglasses cyberpunk dude i want to play

411
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something else so even there there's

412
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barriers to entry but video games are

413
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kind of damned if they do and damned if

414
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they don't because the alternative to

415
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that is making almost a silent

416
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protagonist or

417
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someone who is just such a blank slate

418
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so fire emblem is a good example of that

419
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awakening where you're just playing some

420
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amnesiac who wakes up who can uh how

421
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very jrpg exactly yeah i think you've

422
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gone through some time portal or

423
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something and you're from the future

424
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full-on jrpg tropes but you're you're a

425
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blank slate and then it's like oh i

426
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don't know how i got here i don't know

427
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this world i am in so i'm just a

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complete vanilla blank slate which is

429
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great in a way the player can put their

430
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stamp on it but you're so vanilla it's

431
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it's kind of just like uh to everything

432
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how do you feel about this well

433
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i don't know

434
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with the the deus ex example i think the

435
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hard or the kind of double-edged sword

436
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with the investment especially as far as

437
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that being

438
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you know such an established character

439
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,199
that doesn't get a lot of wiggle room is

440
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that

441
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through the marketing and kind of

442
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everything about it the people who are

443
00:17:07,679 --> 00:17:13,120
going to play it are the people who are

444
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that aesthetic or however it's marketed

445
00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:18,079
like appeals to you know before you play

446
00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:20,160
it that that game is what you're about

447
00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:23,039
and you're going to have a good time and

448
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you inherit the character by default

449
00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:26,720
with

450
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deus ex is kind of a niche game when you

451
00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,039
got into things like fire emblem which

452
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you said was you know the opposite

453
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that's a and i don't want this to sound

454
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,840
like in a bad way but a very lowest

455
00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:41,440
common denominator of how you appeal to

456
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:43,760
somebody this person that you play could

457
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,840
be anybody so there's your starting

458
00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,000
point that's why you're invested is that

459
00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:51,679
you could be anything but then as the

460
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:54,480
story progresses and the gaps get filled

461
00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:55,280
in you're back to the dragon age thing

462
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where

463
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just because you've started it doesn't

464
00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:03,280
mean you're gonna finish it because

465
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eventually pieces fall into place and at

466
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10 hours 15 hours at some point

467
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,400
you might realize that this character

468
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does not appeal to you or you can relate

469
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to it and i don't know between those two

470
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comparisons which is better do i look at

471
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deus ex and go i don't really care for

472
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that so i'm not even gonna buy it and

473
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then maybe i miss out on something if i

474
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play fire emblem with the idea of man

475
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this thing's gonna be anything and then

476
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15 hours in i go

477
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yeah i've achieved an emotional reaction

478
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probably being underwhelmed if that's a

479
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thing or i was never given a hook

480
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to really buy in i tentatively bought in

481
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and played it until i realized it was

482
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nothing and those things are why people

483
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are wishy-washy about things like oh i

484
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heard you got fire emblem how was it

485
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it's okay

486
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like it's a game it works you know your

487
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your xbox didn't catch fire

488
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but you know that's the bare minimum and

489
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it's the same thing with dungeons and

490
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dragons after

491
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you know after i play on a stream on

492
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monday nights and after i'm done my wife

493
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will ask me how was it and you know

494
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depending on how i'm feeling how the

495
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session was it was either it was okay

496
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which means everybody did their part

497
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nobody caught fire yeah we played

498
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dungeons and dragons and it was fun

499
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which is the bare minimum i don't want

500
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to give this game up i would like to

501
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:34,240
play again yeah and it's just this thing

502
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where on the days where things are crazy

503
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it's hey how was your session oh man

504
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baby blah blah blah and this that and

505
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the other and from a place you were

506
00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:47,520
starting from is an emotional one you

507
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felt this cool thing however long ago

508
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and it was so cool

509
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that i would like to share it with my

510
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wife you know my best friend yeah and

511
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you know she doesn't have context but

512
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like i said there's the difference and

513
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she knows there's a difference maybe not

514
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:04,080
why but the difference between it was

515
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okay and

516
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,559
me just blurting words at her for 20

517
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minutes yeah incoherently there's an

518
00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,559
emotional thing in there one of them

519
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made me feel something i could be that

520
00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:17,120
excited about my character dying given a

521
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,320
context you know it was great it was

522
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heroic or i get the opposite emotion my

523
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character died

524
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i'm sad yeah and it could be either one

525
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of those but i felt something and

526
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that is what you could see in a

527
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reflection of when you asked me how was

528
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your game

529
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and i i like that and i feel like that

530
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is the k it's the key to anything movies

531
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music tv

532
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everything is you went to a concert it

533
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,400
was fine they played music they weren't

534
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,840
out of tune

535
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,919
didn't make you feel anything it was

536
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,799
just there and then you go to something

537
00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:54,320
you really enjoy and there's a uh

538
00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,960
emotional connection it could be any

539
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,360
emotion depending on the band whatever

540
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and that's what separates good from bad

541
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in anything

542
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and in this space like i said i think

543
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everybody wants to do the cool thing

544
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,159
it's easy nobody wants to set up a

545
00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:12,640
campaign about exploring the emotional

546
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growth of their dwarf cleric

547
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,720
that's a byproduct of you playing this

548
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:19,440
thing but

549
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that emotional growth and the the play

550
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on emotion i think is just as important

551
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,720
as the meeting the npcs and going on a

552
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,039
quest and saving the dragon and getting

553
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,480
loot that's what makes it you know just

554
00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:33,760
a bunch of people who just sit around

555
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,600
yeah i swing my sword and all right

556
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,559
people are really into it standing up at

557
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the table yes yeah you know this these

558
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,919
non-verbal

559
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:43,919
cues aside from somebody just going man

560
00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:46,320
that was really good but you know they

561
00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:48,080
stand up or everybody's like watching

562
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:51,280
the person whose turn it is to see how

563
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:54,000
they roll the gasp yeah it's you know i

564
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,640
i gamble so i i've seen people at a

565
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,120
craps table for 30 minutes and listen to

566
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,760
it and just the highs and the lows it's

567
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:03,919
cool i'm not even a part of it and just

568
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,440
watching those people have that time

569
00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:07,919
it's great to see

570
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,760
and i can't control it but in a dungeons

571
00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:12,960
and dragons game i can

572
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,640
and i you know i i want to make sure

573
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,120
that it's not just oh how was your

574
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,120
session with mandy it was okay you know

575
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:21,200
yeah whatever i want everybody to go

576
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:24,480
back to their partners who are whoever

577
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:27,200
asked them about it and say man you know

578
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:30,159
blah blah blah and it'd be so good and

579
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,320
their emotional attachment be such that

580
00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:33,840
they will explain something without any

581
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,360
context to somebody who doesn't

582
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,559
understand yeah the emotion is so strong

583
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,240
that they don't care whether you

584
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:43,600
understand it they just have to express

585
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,840
it yeah and what's quite quaint is that

586
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,039
my partner is

587
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,780
i feel like there should be a support

588
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:51,280
group for dm partners who can

589
00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:53,200
[Laughter]

590
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,440
because i'll say i'll put her in touch

591
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,600
with my wife if nothing else that could

592
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,600
just be the two of them yeah because she

593
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,240
is also has to listen to me

594
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,559
wax lyrical about oh my god i've got

595
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,240
this planned and they did this and it

596
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,240
was rad and they don't know that i've

597
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,919
got this other thing that's planned and

598
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,679
she just kind of sits there dutifully

599
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:13,600
just mm-hmm

600
00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:16,159
i'm glad your hand's gone

601
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,559
yep like i said it's you know across the

602
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:20,960
pond my house is exactly the same thing

603
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:22,799
you know she's very supportive and i

604
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,880
think she sees it that we're in a

605
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:28,080
pandemic we don't get to do a lot of

606
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,559
things i go to work every day and in

607
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,320
this time it's it's you have to find joy

608
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,480
in anything whatever whatever it is that

609
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,880
you want to do you know find joy in it

610
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,960
and yeah it's a lot of work yeah she

611
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,440
goes to sleep while i'm writing until

612
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,159
one o'clock in the morning or doing god

613
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,960
knows what uh inside my own head yeah

614
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:47,679
but

615
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,279
you know when she sees it and

616
00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:50,720
when i'm done writing or when i run

617
00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:53,039
something by her

618
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:56,000
she could tell that like i care about it

619
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,520
and to her it's you know i played

620
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000
pretend

621
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,600
craps with like my friends over the

622
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,360
internet

623
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,760
and that's the context for her but the

624
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,240
fact is that it makes me happy and she

625
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,559
sees how hard i work at it and that she

626
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,640
knows all my friends in my home game

627
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,640
and we used to get together they would

628
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,159
talk to her about it like she like she

629
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,600
was part of the group because she you

630
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:18,559
know she's my wife

631
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,320
and

632
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,880
i don't think she understands she has a

633
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,400
rough idea of how you know he works but

634
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,159
to to see

635
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,799
like my friends talk about it and when

636
00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:30,960
we're you know at a cookout or something

637
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:33,279
talking about it she you know it must be

638
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,919
important and she she enjoys that part

639
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:38,080
of it even if she doesn't understand

640
00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:40,240
how it works and everything yeah it

641
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,400
speaks for itself in a way

642
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,960
and one thing you mentioned there about

643
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,200
rolling dice and at the table and i hit

644
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,200
this thing okay great i hit it move on

645
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,400
that's one thing i really

646
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,799
want to

647
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,240
the d d can be its own beast this this

648
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,919
special magical

649
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,480
beast that can have these

650
00:24:55,919 --> 00:25:00,720
special responses even in combat so when

651
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,799
you when you distill combat down you

652
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,960
could just plug the numbers in an excel

653
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,880
spreadsheet press run encounter come out

654
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,559
the other side and have it roll all the

655
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,720
dice behind the scenes and go okay sorry

656
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,159
players you come out the other side and

657
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,400
you took four points of damage and you

658
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:16,400
took three points of damage because the

659
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,840
combat can just be dice rolling against

660
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,080
each other which is

661
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,440
no one wants to see just dice roll like

662
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,960
that's that's boring especially when

663
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,960
it's the dm rolling against himself

664
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,960
that's super boring so

665
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,039
what's really good is to have those

666
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,880
emotive moments of

667
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:32,559
okay i swing my great sword at this

668
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,799
gelatinous cube

669
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:37,120
and then as a dm i'm always like tell me

670
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:38,480
how man but this is great tell me are

671
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,960
you going to cut it in twain are you

672
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:44,240
going to smush it into the ground like

673
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:46,080
really try and amp the crowd in a way to

674
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,480
get people invested and to get people

675
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,400
talking about it and those epic comeback

676
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,960
encounters because

677
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,200
i can bet you that no one remembers

678
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,520
at a combat encounter in dragon age with

679
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,400
some mooks on the road yeah and the paws

680
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,960
and everything yeah yeah i feel combat

681
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,360
is one at least from my experience to my

682
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:09,279
home group one of the first places that

683
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:11,440
i felt like the new players really

684
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:13,520
began to role play

685
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,080
i don't know okay

686
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,240
it's just i i feel like ever whether

687
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,360
you've imagined yourself as a wizard in

688
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,720
water deep solving a crime

689
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:27,120
everybody has imagined or physically

690
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,679
played out swinging a sword

691
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,640
with a tree branch or whatever

692
00:26:29,679 --> 00:26:32,480
and

693
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,039
depending on

694
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,400
what motivated you to come to d d in the

695
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,480
first place

696
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,440
i think a lot of first-timers maybe do

697
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,840
come for the combat aspect of it

698
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,720
and if that's what you came for

699
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,640
when

700
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,760
it actually happens

701
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,840
even if you don't understand your

702
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,400
character's motivations or whatever this

703
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,000
is what you came to the game for you

704
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,400
want to smash things with a sword or hit

705
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,039
things with a fireball and

706
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,799
the first time that

707
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:04,159
not the first time you do combat because

708
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:06,960
it is kind of stilted and odd but once

709
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:09,120
you understand at least your character's

710
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,440
aspects of combat

711
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,880
then i always felt like they got into it

712
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,640
because

713
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,360
they didn't want to just

714
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,720
swing a sword this is what they came to

715
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:23,600
the game for so they are going to you

716
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,880
know flourishes and suddenly everybody

717
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,039
is conan

718
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,200
from guys that had still talked about

719
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:31,520
their characters in the third person

720
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,919
during social encounters um it's not i

721
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,000
did this it was you know and the first

722
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:38,000
time i remember registering is like wow

723
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,240
your first role play was really with

724
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,679
combat wow because that's what they had

725
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,240
come to the game for that was their

726
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:45,679
emotional draw and when it presented

727
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,399
themselves that's what they were going

728
00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:50,159
to take advantage of and it was it's

729
00:27:48,399 --> 00:27:52,320
cool because if you take a bunch of new

730
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:54,480
timers especially mixed in with a couple

731
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,000
of real veterans that i have the

732
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,480
dichotomy between the two is pretty

733
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,960
clear for sure who's new and who's

734
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,120
experienced and it was the first time

735
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,960
when i remember going okay they're going

736
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,039
to be okay you know this isn't going to

737
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,120
be just a it was fun for a little bit

738
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,360
but you know we got other things

739
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:14,240
one of them plays a cleric one of them

740
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:17,120
plays a dragonborn sorcerer and so it

741
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,880
was very much of like sorcerer your

742
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:22,080
magic's an eight so it was very much

743
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,919
kind of casual and almost flippant in

744
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,559
the way that he would you know light his

745
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:29,279
hands up and the cleric wanted to be the

746
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:31,600
big bad protector so

747
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:34,559
you know he was hitting things extra

748
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,039
hard because he wanted to protect

749
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,559
whatever and whether they knew it or not

750
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,840
and whether they made the conscientious

751
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:44,960
decision or not this was their chance to

752
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,480
do what they came to do at least at

753
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,399
first and

754
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,039
they got into it and

755
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:53,440
that's when i kind of realized that

756
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:55,760
your emotional investment at the

757
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,600
beginning of a campaign is not the same

758
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,120
after three sessions after 10 sessions

759
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,919
after 15

760
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,720
that you can come to it for one thing

761
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:06,720
get it get that itch scratched

762
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,720
and then go wow that was fun there's a

763
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,720
lot more to this what are the other

764
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,880
things and then

765
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,600
you just have to feel like

766
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,840
some emotional itch other than i really

767
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,080
like hanging out and drinking beers with

768
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,080
my friends gets scratched and if it's

769
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,240
that you are

770
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,880
really descriptive in your combat and

771
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,120
maybe you landed the killing blow

772
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,559
and i as the dungeon master get to say

773
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,799
something like all right how do you

774
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,000
finish it off which is you know my

775
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,000
verbal cue

776
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,240
and then some of them would just go into

777
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,360
this just great description where you're

778
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,760
just like all right man cool you can

779
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,799
invest in this emotionally

780
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,039
now

781
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,559
let me see what else what else i can get

782
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:52,840
you to bite on

783
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:55,120
and if nothing else i would keep giving

784
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,279
you scenarios

785
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,760
where the one itch you know you can

786
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:01,760
scratch that you know makes you happy or

787
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,039
whatever it does to your you know your

788
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,279
brain

789
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,320
i will give you that within a reasonable

790
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,399
amount

791
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,799
but if that's what it takes on my end to

792
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:13,120
keep you emotionally invested or at

793
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:16,000
least emotionally invested in this part

794
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,279
until something else can hook you that's

795
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,399
what i'll do

796
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,919
i think it's just the basic

797
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:23,360
responsibility of a dungeon master keep

798
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:25,120
your players invested in whatever it is

799
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,640
that they're invested in like it might

800
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,240
not be the thing that's important to you

801
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,279
but if they're invested in something you

802
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,000
got to give it to them you got to

803
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:34,480
nurture them nurture it so that they'll

804
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,919
keep playing and potentially grow or

805
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,520
have these other things happen to them

806
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:41,360
yeah something i probably need to spend

807
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,039
a little bit more time thinking about

808
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,919
myself i

809
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,039
have

810
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:48,960
an ebb and flow to the campaign so

811
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:50,880
there'll be periods of traditional

812
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,960
dungeon delving where there'll be

813
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,880
lots more combat for example that kind

814
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,960
of scratches that itch but then

815
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,320
there's a bit of a the tide's gonna wash

816
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,159
out a little bit and it's gonna calm

817
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,679
down and you're gonna go back to town

818
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:03,440
and kind of collect your thoughts and

819
00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:06,320
have that opportunity to go and pray to

820
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,159
gods or to visit the local homeless

821
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,320
shelter and donate some of your earnings

822
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:13,120
and that kind of stuff and i probably

823
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,440
need to pay a little bit more attention

824
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,159
to the moment-to-moment plays of that to

825
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,880
work out precisely which one of the six

826
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:23,519
players is resonating with each one of

827
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,760
those bits now combat it's easier to

828
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,600
spot because it's quite clear to see

829
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,600
when people get amped up with ah we're

830
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,279
rolling initiative okay

831
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,960
immediately i've perked up and i'm

832
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,720
psyched it's like okay well there's your

833
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,880
trigger got that

834
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,200
let me build up

835
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,919
more of a preamble towards the next

836
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,840
combat for example but for the more

837
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:44,720
subtle things i think it's a bit harder

838
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,480
to

839
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,320
maybe just for myself to

840
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,279
extract that out of the players and be

841
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,120
like what what makes you tick why do you

842
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,960
keep coming back

843
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,000
there must be some reason right and

844
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,559
perhaps i'm at the point where i just

845
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,640
need to flower ask them

846
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:02,000
why are you here in the in the nicest

847
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,080
possible way

848
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,600
yeah like i said i are they friends of

849
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,200
yours are you familiar with them or is

850
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,039
this kind of a let's get together and

851
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,519
let's do this thing as the common

852
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:14,399
element um so they are all in my in my

853
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:17,360
primary game colleagues from my place of

854
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:19,120
work so we've been working together in

855
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,919
you know varying levels of

856
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,519
day-to-day office work for approximately

857
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:25,440
about two years

858
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,799
some of which i was closer

859
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,960
with than others one of which is

860
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:31,200
actually my my line manager at work so

861
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,679
it's a it's quite an interesting

862
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,559
dynamic reversal when we start playing

863
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:36,080
the game

864
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,440
i'd be lying if i said there wasn't a

865
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,600
small amount of guilty pleasure to be

866
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,159
had there but that's what's life without

867
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,799
some guilty pleasures i totally yeah i'm

868
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:47,360
with you tormenting your boss yes yeah

869
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:49,360
yeah and um yeah so about two years give

870
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,120
or take so yeah we've got there's it's

871
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,919
definitely not going in ice cold to say

872
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,600
the least and you know like i said i you

873
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:58,080
know my home group i'm gonna find out

874
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,799
what it's like to dungeon master for

875
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,720
relative strangers uh here pretty soon

876
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:05,200
but like i said i've i've known all of

877
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,679
them for quite a long time two of them

878
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,360
actually were in my original campaign so

879
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:11,760
those guys were easy i knew what made

880
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,519
them tick whatever they gave me as far

881
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,360
as their characters i knew they were

882
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,039
going to be invested in i just had to do

883
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,640
it so they were good

884
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,880
the other guys

885
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,960
like i said i used my knowledge of them

886
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,840
in a familiar sense of like hey you're

887
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,840
my friend greg to kind of weasel my way

888
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,120
into their heads and i i feel like this

889
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,480
is going to be like a psychological

890
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,480
profile for

891
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,559
like somebody at some point about like

892
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,519
emotional manipulation

893
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:39,760
but i knew greg the person and so i

894
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,760
realized his character was going to be

895
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,519
craig the sorcerer

896
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,840
it's a little easier and i know the

897
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,120
things that i could do to antagonize

898
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200
greg or

899
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,600
what he the person

900
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,240
enjoys in life and

901
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,320
i didn't know for sure that greg the

902
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,240
sorcerer would buy into the same thing

903
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,240
that greg the chef does

904
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,799
but you give it a shot and when you when

905
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,200
they react the same way that the person

906
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,880
would you go okay these are the little

907
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,919
things and then

908
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,000
i use those things and i feel like

909
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:14,079
that's an advantage of groups that are

910
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,200
familiar with each other have sure but

911
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:19,200
it's a little harder in the you know hey

912
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,800
i'm starting this game everybody come

913
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:25,919
and play which i think in that situation

914
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,599
i think just asking them it's a i don't

915
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:29,119
want to say like a business transaction

916
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,760
but it is kind of a

917
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:33,760
formal arrangement especially when you

918
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,800
get into people you don't know as your

919
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,399
friends

920
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,960
that i think setting expectations from

921
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:43,119
you know me and then for the players to

922
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,359
give them their best experience what are

923
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,599
you here for and if you're here you like

924
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:51,359
smashing stuff with a sword cool cheers

925
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:52,560
i got you if you want some big emotional

926
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:55,919
story arc

927
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,560
also great i love that you tell me give

928
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:59,440
me as much or as little as you want and

929
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,040
i

930
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:05,200
will work just as hard to fit your

931
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,160
personal little thing into this big

932
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:11,200
campaign as i did with the campaign as a

933
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:14,000
whole because the two are intertwined

934
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,160
and yes killing the giants at the end of

935
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,960
storm king's thunder is probably going

936
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,440
to be cool yes i don't believe and i

937
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,440
don't want that to be the thing

938
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,040
that my friends talk about when they

939
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,440
tell the story about our dungeons and

940
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,160
dragons campaign i don't want them to be

941
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,400
excited or tell other people about the

942
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,000
stuff that chris perkins wrote for

943
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,720
wizards of the coast

944
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,800
when they tell the story i want it to be

945
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,640
oh manny set me up for this thing and

946
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,480
blah blah blah and you should have seen

947
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,640
what he did to luke's character and how

948
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,240
he messed him up emotionally

949
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,240
those are the things that i want and in

950
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,920
order to get that i have to work for it

951
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,480
and i enjoy it

952
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,800
you know i'm i'm adapting to published

953
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,599
modules for my stream games

954
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,880
and

955
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,200
mechanically

956
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,800
they're very good i do not mess with the

957
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,240
mechanics at all mostly because i don't

958
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,920
want to yeah i don't want to crunch

959
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:06,720
numbers i don't want to do spreadsheets

960
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,680
um if this is what it is then fine i

961
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:13,359
will bend the narrative of the module

962
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:15,599
itself or the little niche within

963
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:18,240
the overarching narrative for you know

964
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:20,400
one of my players characters and that's

965
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:23,680
that's the enjoyment out of it for me

966
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:26,400
and when prep gets tedious or you know

967
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,400
you just stare at a blank screen it's

968
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,960
not that i don't have any ideas it's

969
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,800
that i'm worried that

970
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,760
my players are not going to be

971
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,560
emotionally invested like i want them to

972
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,680
be

973
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,480
yes

974
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,520
and

975
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,839
are they going to have a good time

976
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,640
slaying the giants yeah probably they're

977
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:46,000
big you know they they're level 11 now

978
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,599
so they've been with these characters

979
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,040
for a while and their triumphs are the

980
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,680
players triumphs

981
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,520
and that's great yay we did the thing we

982
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,440
killed the giants or whatever

983
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,119
yeah but like i said the idea is that i

984
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,560
don't want that to be their takeaway i

985
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,160
don't remember

986
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,119
because at the end of every module you

987
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,880
slayed whatever the bag bad was probably

988
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:09,520
if you didn't

989
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,520
then your emotional like attachment to

990
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,680
it is the fact that you you did not

991
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,079
succeed and that's what you talk about

992
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,440
and that comes from a place of you spend

993
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:20,720
all this time on a module and a

994
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,920
character and however many months and at

995
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:25,200
the end

996
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,119
you did not succeed and disappointment

997
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,520
you know like a healthy kind it's it's

998
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:32,000
yes it's yeah you know getting getting

999
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,720
to find out the bad guy wins sometimes

1000
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,359
is a reward in and of itself

1001
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:39,599
it's closure either way in of itself is

1002
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:41,040
is something that we're all after and i

1003
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,400
think as i said in the previous session

1004
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,480
that you can then use that as a

1005
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,800
springboard for

1006
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,079
chapter two campaign two what happens

1007
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,079
when the bad guy wins kind of thing

1008
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:55,480
[Music]

1009
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:04,079
when we used to play in brighter days

1010
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:06,320
when we used to play in person still i

1011
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,800
remember those days yeah way back when

1012
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,160
uh there'd be seven of us sat around the

1013
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,160
table and

1014
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,720
a couple of memories have been

1015
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,079
crystallized in my brain of

1016
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,200
we used to play on one of the guy's

1017
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,560
house at a huge table in the

1018
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,480
conservatory

1019
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,000
and you know has a several colleagues so

1020
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,000
we all kind of like when's everyone

1021
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,160
finishing today let's clock off together

1022
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,400
let's let's drive to this guy's house

1023
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,599
rock up we play from say

1024
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,839
six till

1025
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:34,640
maybe as late as you know 11 at some

1026
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:37,040
point on a school night and so

1027
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,800
some of my memories are just me you know

1028
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,359
that's where i lend the session

1029
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,440
packing up saying goodbye to everybody

1030
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:45,119
hopping in the car driving home for 10

1031
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,400
minutes just

1032
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,800
wired

1033
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,920
from the session just like running on

1034
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,440
adrenaline at like 11 15 at night when

1035
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,200
i've got work and

1036
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,320
you know seven hours or something and

1037
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,560
i'm just like

1038
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,760
buzzing as i'm driving down an empty

1039
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,920
motorway

1040
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,079
it's just this crystal image of music

1041
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,480
probably a bit too loud you know wired

1042
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:07,760
to the brim of oh i can't believe that's

1043
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,359
happened and

1044
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,720
what do i have to do now and oh i can

1045
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:12,800
think about this and oh maybe if i come

1046
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,560
at it from from that angle and oh

1047
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,000
they're gonna love it if if this thing

1048
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,320
happens

1049
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,040
yeah um one of my favorite parts of the

1050
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:24,400
session oddly enough is when it's over

1051
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,400
and everybody kind of drops the curtain

1052
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,200
on that

1053
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,119
dual dynamic of them and then their

1054
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,480
character you know once i go okay that's

1055
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:35,119
where we're going to leave it for a day

1056
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,359
everybody's characters kind of stop and

1057
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,280
they go back to being my friends packing

1058
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:40,240
up their bags and you know getting ready

1059
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,800
to go

1060
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:44,079
and that's when you know everybody kind

1061
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,040
of drops the

1062
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:48,160
illusion and we're back to being a group

1063
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,680
of friends

1064
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,920
and like i said i don't get to

1065
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,520
participate in their conversations the

1066
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,000
same way that they do

1067
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:59,280
but sitting there listening to greg talk

1068
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,040
to louis about how this session went and

1069
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,720
how much fun they had

1070
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,720
those are the things that get me and

1071
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,800
then you know i get my quiet little bit

1072
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:09,040
of reflection and then i have to drive

1073
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,319
40 i used to have to drive 45 minutes

1074
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,839
home

1075
00:40:10,319 --> 00:40:12,800
from where i played

1076
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:16,400
and

1077
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,800
it was a very cool kind of solitary

1078
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,160
drive i can't talk to them about the end

1079
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,760
of the session because i'm the dungeon

1080
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,440
master i drive 45 minutes home and then

1081
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,319
my poor wife has to hear it when i come

1082
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,560
through the door and just blurt words at

1083
00:40:28,319 --> 00:40:33,119
her and she was like have you

1084
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,400
been like this for the entire drive home

1085
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,680
and i was like well it's actually worse

1086
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,240
because i don't have anybody to talk to

1087
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,319
so i've just been seething for 45

1088
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,280
minutes and you were the first person

1089
00:40:40,319 --> 00:40:42,640
and

1090
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,560
you know like i said that comes from the

1091
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,359
emotional investment it's a lot of work

1092
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,440
to go play dungeons dragons in person

1093
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:51,040
yes for sure

1094
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,480
a couple of my players they lived in the

1095
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,560
complete opposite direction so they were

1096
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,000
traveling up to an hour actually at that

1097
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,880
time at night it was a lot quicker it's

1098
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,319
about 45 minutes but um yeah so you know

1099
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,839
if we're finishing at 11 they're not

1100
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:03,920
getting home

1101
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:05,359
until quarter to midnight but it's that

1102
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,520
as you said it's that emotional

1103
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:08,960
investment and that they're willing to

1104
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,920
do that because

1105
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,520
down low's got some goofy idea

1106
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,200
tonight yeah

1107
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,880
you know and it's just

1108
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,480
it's a weird thing because

1109
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,520
like i said you're the dungeon master

1110
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,800
you the perception is that you are in

1111
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,760
control

1112
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,280
and part of the deal of being a player

1113
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,760
is you know this is where we're gonna

1114
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:32,000
get into the psychological profile stuff

1115
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,880
is submitting to

1116
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,800
the

1117
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,960
the will of the dungeon master within

1118
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,560
the confines of the game yeah that

1119
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,800
you've created this character you're

1120
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,119
invested in that i'd like to believe you

1121
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,480
care very deeply for

1122
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:49,200
that they trust with you

1123
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,599
to fulfill whatever emotional need that

1124
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,200
character represents for them

1125
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:57,520
is it redemption after a failure is it

1126
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,599
vengeance against you know dead parents

1127
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,440
but you are the means for them to

1128
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:03,839
achieve it

1129
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,599
and it's not like a huge responsibility

1130
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:08,000
it's not only somebody watch your kid

1131
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,240
but within the confines of this game

1132
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,040
you have this very personal thing your

1133
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,880
character that you are specifically

1134
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,480
emotionally invested in

1135
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,079
and you turn its fate over for three

1136
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,880
four hours at a time

1137
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,359
to

1138
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,200
a willing person who there has to be

1139
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:27,520
some trust and some back and forth

1140
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,000
dynamic established with

1141
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,680
and at the end of the three hours here's

1142
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,319
your character back

1143
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,200
and we'll do this again you know next

1144
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,920
week

1145
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,240
and to keep showing up week after week

1146
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,839
with this character who you love who for

1147
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:47,040
the three hours where they exist in a

1148
00:42:42,839 --> 00:42:48,640
world of consequence and other things

1149
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,400
and then to take it back and go man i

1150
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,839
survived and then to show up again next

1151
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,359
week all right man that was great please

1152
00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:55,520
don't kill him again but i'll probably i

1153
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:58,319
could be mad at you if you do

1154
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,480
it's a weird kind of emotional dynamic

1155
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:02,480
between two people

1156
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,480
i trust you with this imaginary thing

1157
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,240
that means the world to me

1158
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,560
and i'm gonna do it over and over again

1159
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,839
and part of that is the idea that your

1160
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,599
thing might die

1161
00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:15,839
and you know like hey man i'm you know

1162
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,599
i'm sorry if it's a pet you know i need

1163
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:20,400
you to watch my pet and you you know you

1164
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:22,000
let somebody's cat run out the door yeah

1165
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,720
you're a horrible person

1166
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,839
and and rightly so in this granted it's

1167
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:30,000
not a tangible real thing but people

1168
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:30,800
could be invested in it just the same

1169
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,880
way

1170
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,920
and they could give it to you

1171
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,560
at four o'clock in the afternoon and by

1172
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,400
6 30 you've killed it and they watched

1173
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,960
you do it yeah and they'd be like hey

1174
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,200
man i hope you had fun and would you

1175
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,680
explain it like that it's a weird it's a

1176
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,680
weird idea it is

1177
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,240
yeah you know when you put it

1178
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,319
like that it is super if you if you went

1179
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,480
to new players and explained to the game

1180
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:59,040
to them in that way i think there'd be a

1181
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,800
lot less new players uh

1182
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,319
just because of that weird dynamic but

1183
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,800
it ties back into what we're talking

1184
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:06,400
about earlier on about the trust of the

1185
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,240
dm and how i was saying like it's a

1186
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,800
piece of cake to kill the players but

1187
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,280
you the players are trusting the dm not

1188
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,079
to do that arbitrarily not to just be

1189
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,200
like

1190
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:20,160
a dragon comes out this guy and blasts

1191
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,480
20 d6 that you fire breath

1192
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,960
just because that would be a laugh

1193
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,520
so it is that weird kind yeah that weird

1194
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,599
kind of like okay we're in the same boat

1195
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,079
together and we're kind of going in the

1196
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,520
same direction except

1197
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:36,160
one of you is kind of occasionally

1198
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,160
rocking the boat as the dm maybe that's

1199
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,240
a bit of a strange metaphor but it it

1200
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,160
kind of made more sense in my head

1201
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:44,079
it's and it's not even like accidentally

1202
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,880
rocking the boat it's you know in

1203
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:48,880
essence rocking the boat as part of

1204
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,960
my deal of being a passenger on this

1205
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,640
thing we're all passengers together my

1206
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,880
responsibility is different and my

1207
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,680
responsibility is to place adversity in

1208
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,400
front of you and see how you react so

1209
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,400
i'm going to rock this boat just because

1210
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,680
i want to see what you guys do about it

1211
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,240
like i said when you explain like that

1212
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,400
yeah it's it's it's a weird

1213
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,480
dynamic when you boil it down to its

1214
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,240
very basics and

1215
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,680
getting ready for this i was wondering i

1216
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,040
was like oh you're going to talk about

1217
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,359
emotion

1218
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,920
well that's that's an awesome thing and

1219
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:22,319
then it's also well shouldn't everybody

1220
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,440
have kind of an emotional investment or

1221
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:26,400
take in this thing dungeon master or

1222
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,640
player

1223
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,880
and is this kind of

1224
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,960
subject unnecessary everybody's like oh

1225
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,119
yeah yeah manny being emotionally

1226
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,400
invested thanks bro that was a good hour

1227
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,200
listen

1228
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,800
and

1229
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,440
i feel like i haven't seen anybody

1230
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,680
discuss this and then

1231
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,400
when you get to things like wizards of

1232
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,400
the coast their publications all their

1233
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,160
job is about doing the thing yeah it's

1234
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,319
hard to get emotionally invested it's

1235
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,240
almost back to the video game analogy

1236
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:56,960
yeah where for sure this is why the

1237
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,599
character needs to care about this thing

1238
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:02,319
and all right man cool i need to destroy

1239
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:05,440
the curse in icelandale so it's not dark

1240
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:08,000
for two years okay that's the thing why

1241
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,400
why are you gonna do it why do you care

1242
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,760
yeah i think um if i'm being honest it's

1243
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,040
probably one of the reasons why i have

1244
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,800
not played too many of the published

1245
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,720
modules you've probably answered the

1246
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,800
question that i haven't been brave

1247
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:21,599
enough to ask myself which is because

1248
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,839
i'm not a fan maybe of that implicit

1249
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:26,240
attachment it's that you have to care

1250
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:26,960
about ice and dale because we're playing

1251
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:29,599
it

1252
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,960
rather than i guess what i like more is

1253
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,040
make something you care about because

1254
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,119
you want to care about it and make them

1255
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,280
have an objective that i can tie into

1256
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:39,520
the wider objective

1257
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,560
and then everybody wins

1258
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,640
no one's had to pander to a published

1259
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,319
adventure which makes it sound really

1260
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,319
harsh and makes it sound like i know i

1261
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:49,760
hate them and i'm talking from ignorance

1262
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:51,440
here so please take that with a pinch of

1263
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,160
salt of course but i think it's just one

1264
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,760
of the things that's inherent about

1265
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,160
wizards and we go back to the fire

1266
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,079
emblem thing is that they want to make

1267
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,920
it as appealing

1268
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:06,240
to every body because at my most cynical

1269
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,680
they want you to buy their product

1270
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:12,240
and if you get too specific then we get

1271
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:15,119
into the deus ex thing if

1272
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:17,440
the story of rhyme of the frost maiden

1273
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:20,000
is told from the perspective of

1274
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,240
somebody who lives in ice wind dale and

1275
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,240
they're gonna save their homeland

1276
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:27,760
your niche is too small for somebody who

1277
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:30,319
wants to play you know wolfgar from the

1278
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,400
salvatore novels they're perfect like if

1279
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:34,880
that's your thing that's your cyberpunk

1280
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,920
cool haircut cool sunglasses aesthetic

1281
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,760
and you're in

1282
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,640
you know wizards has to go the opposite

1283
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,680
way they have to make it so that anybody

1284
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:47,040
could possibly want to

1285
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:49,680
do this and so when i when i adapt uh

1286
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,720
modules i basically just keep the

1287
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,839
mechanics the encounters the locations

1288
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,960
like i said it's mostly stuff i don't

1289
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,880
want to mess with

1290
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,559
even down to

1291
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,119
the beginning

1292
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:02,960
plot hooks if i have to i i took the

1293
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:06,400
narrative for dragon heist completely

1294
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:09,920
apart kept maybe 20 of it i could not

1295
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,640
get my group to believe

1296
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,880
in this idea as it was written for them

1297
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,599
to become emotionally invested

1298
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,760
and if i just read it as it was written

1299
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:21,760
there's a reward some money's missing

1300
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,280
blah blah blah

1301
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,359
it's not cool enough for everybody to

1302
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,680
pretend to be ocean's 11.

1303
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:30,000
so it's got to be more of your standard

1304
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,599
fantasy trope i need you to be invested

1305
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,160
about why you care

1306
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:36,400
and because they were new players i made

1307
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,720
it about money it was just the easiest

1308
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,720
one everybody wants it you're level one

1309
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:43,200
you probably have your eye on something

1310
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,400
level three four you need money make it

1311
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,319
about money

1312
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,240
and that's the beginning and

1313
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:49,680
rhyme of the frostbane is the same thing

1314
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,559
the curse has been going on for two

1315
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,280
years

1316
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,079
so

1317
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,880
the idea that somebody a level one

1318
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:59,680
adventurer is going to suddenly decide

1319
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:02,000
after two years you know what i've had

1320
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,839
enough of this i'm gonna march up to

1321
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,920
iceland dale and i'm gonna do something

1322
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:07,680
about it yeah it's impossible and

1323
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,440
basically that's where wizards want you

1324
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,160
to begin with

1325
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,319
my level one adventurer after two years

1326
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,160
finally says i can't take this anymore

1327
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:18,160
i'm gonna go do something about it i'm

1328
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,800
gonna start costing spouses

1329
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,880
yeah you know i i learned okay i learned

1330
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,200
you know i got a couple of can trips i'm

1331
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,680
ready to go two years i got this and

1332
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,520
those things are hard and it's a little

1333
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:33,119
preposterous when you really think about

1334
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:36,720
it yeah so i was back to okay how do i

1335
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:38,000
get people to care about this in order

1336
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,240
to

1337
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,440
to to do the thing you could just say

1338
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,800
all right you know we're going to play

1339
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160
this game we're playing rhyme of the

1340
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,760
frost maiden we're going to go do the

1341
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,079
thing all right

1342
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,520
nobody's invested nobody cares it's just

1343
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:52,079
you're doing it because that's what it

1344
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,720
says for you to do yes so

1345
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,880
you you take it apart and

1346
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,960
like i said i look for emotional moments

1347
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,960
i don't i don't know that i judge things

1348
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,880
by like the mechanics of it i appreciate

1349
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,800
them but i don't go i'm gonna use this

1350
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,280
because mechanically it's cool

1351
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,720
so you just find all right what what

1352
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,280
emotional things could bring anybody

1353
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:15,680
to icewind dale to deal with this

1354
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:18,160
money's always the first one

1355
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,480
you wait for you know my group to get

1356
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,800
figured out who's gonna play and then

1357
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,520
the next thing is character backstory is

1358
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:29,599
there a nugget in your backstory

1359
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:31,599
that would make you go up there yeah and

1360
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:33,920
if there is great that's a little less

1361
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:36,319
work and if not

1362
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,000
i'll create one

1363
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:40,319
i need you to i need you to be patient

1364
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,079
and understand that i've done the work

1365
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:43,520
your weird little payoff that you don't

1366
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,599
know what you want

1367
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,160
uh it's coming you just have to stick

1368
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:51,200
with me until you get there

1369
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,680
but ideally i hope it will be worth it

1370
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,000
yeah and you know when you go back to

1371
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,880
asking them what they want that's part

1372
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,960
of it too is that before this game gets

1373
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,880
set what do you guys want out of this do

1374
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,520
you want survival horror john

1375
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,319
carpenter's the thing 30 days of night

1376
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,000
okay cool we could do that do you want

1377
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:13,119
the last couple of seasons of game of

1378
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,520
thrones not a lot of things going on

1379
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:18,400
but the emotional turmoil of all the

1380
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:21,359
seasons added up on the characters do

1381
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,880
you want that and whatever it is like i

1382
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:25,680
said find out what they want give it to

1383
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,520
them it's yeah it's it's that simple and

1384
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,280
you can give them smashing dragons but

1385
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,440
everybody has that

1386
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,359
give them the thing that they may not be

1387
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,520
able to express that they want

1388
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:37,920
but is going to make them come back

1389
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,240
make them feel something go yeah man

1390
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,480
that was cool or man this place really

1391
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:44,559
sucks i feel for these people i can't

1392
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,480
let them live like this whatever it is

1393
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,079
feel something and let that be your

1394
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,119
driving force

1395
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:54,720
or do i've stupidly done and just have a

1396
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:56,720
campaign so vast and big that it just

1397
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:59,920
incidentally covers every

1398
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:02,800
every conceivable notion of heists of

1399
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:05,359
gritty realism of body horror of

1400
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,520
of goofy whimsical adventures in the

1401
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:09,280
faye and just never see it finished

1402
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,960
because it will take five years to get

1403
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,559
through

1404
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,440
and you know those are

1405
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:17,520
that's on your end just you know kind of

1406
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,599
covering all your bases if if

1407
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,920
everybody's in for like the big meta

1408
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:24,079
experience and you know that all of

1409
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,880
these things are very dungeons and

1410
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:29,920
dragons the heist the chase

1411
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,559
and if you're into a bigger experience

1412
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,960
then this will scratch all those itches

1413
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:36,960
even if your character's background is

1414
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,280
vengeance for you know dead parents or

1415
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,359
whatever yeah there are other emotional

1416
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,119
itches that you don't know you need

1417
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:44,319
scratch that will get scratched along

1418
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,640
the way

1419
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:49,200
and finding those things and presenting

1420
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,800
as many options as they can

1421
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,880
i think it's good done drink mastering

1422
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,160
is it efficient dungeon mastering no

1423
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,760
because you're going to write a ton of

1424
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,839
stuff that they're never going to come

1425
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:01,280
across and and that's just the byproduct

1426
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:03,680
and it it's hard it is it's it's hard

1427
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,960
man i'm not gonna lie sucks i've worked

1428
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,720
really hard on this thing you guys are

1429
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,839
never gonna see well let's see it no

1430
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,100
because i'm gonna save it for somebody

1431
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:11,119
else who will see it

1432
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:12,640
[Laughter]

1433
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:15,839
that indignant

1434
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,440
indignancy of the dm sounds like a good

1435
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:18,319
title for a book or a podcast or

1436
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,520
something

1437
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:25,040
yeah i said good day sir you know

1438
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,480
and it's it's like i said from the meta

1439
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,880
dungeon master

1440
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,680
concept i love it i think it's great

1441
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,079
that

1442
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,520
you are giving this effort

1443
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,440
to

1444
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,960
like i said scratch whatever itch they

1445
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,640
need scratched whether they know it or

1446
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:42,720
not yeah i did an auction once for magic

1447
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,319
items that yeah i didn't want like a

1448
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:47,839
magic store i just i think they're

1449
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:50,720
cliche so i did magic items and i found

1450
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:52,400
a thing on dm's guild about mechanics

1451
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:55,359
for an auction

1452
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,200
and i did an auction i hate shopping i

1453
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:58,800
don't want them just wander around magic

1454
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,880
store and just buy whatever they want

1455
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,800
with the assumption that it's there so i

1456
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,319
pulled a list of a couple of magic items

1457
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,160
i knew the math they didn't have enough

1458
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:07,119
for everything so they had to pick and

1459
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,079
choose

1460
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,359
and

1461
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,880
you know just like with a regular

1462
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:13,119
auction they have i printed them out a

1463
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,480
little catalog a little picture art from

1464
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:17,520
the um oh wow from the dmg and i gave it

1465
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,400
to him and i was like all right here's

1466
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,920
your here's your auction catalog here's

1467
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,440
everything that it does descriptions

1468
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,800
were straight out of the uh the dungeon

1469
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,599
masters guide

1470
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,359
and

1471
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:28,559
you know you get this thing you're like

1472
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:29,359
all right we're going shopping and all

1473
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,160
they think is they're going to do is

1474
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:32,960
just

1475
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,880
i spend 3 000 i get this thing no yeah

1476
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,960
and then now it's this competitive thing

1477
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,000
because one of the mechanics is that

1478
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,240
there is people bidding against you

1479
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,680
and so it's not just oh here's a catalog

1480
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:45,200
these are the things we can get i want

1481
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,760
this you take that

1482
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,160
there was also the added kind of stress

1483
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:53,040
of hey you could want this all you want

1484
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,359
if this dice mechanic for

1485
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,200
a competing bidder

1486
00:54:55,359 --> 00:54:59,119
just rolls higher than you you're not

1487
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,640
going to get it you thought 10 minutes

1488
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,000
ago that this was going to be a cakewalk

1489
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,920
i'm going to get these boots of elven

1490
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,440
speed and be done

1491
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:09,119
sorry man you were outbid and it was fun

1492
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,440
they got they only got outbid on one

1493
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:13,359
thing i think

1494
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,240
but it like i said it turned a shopping

1495
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:17,200
trip into uh like a bit of competition

1496
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,960
they

1497
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:22,079
you know and then there's the anxiety of

1498
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,240
man i really wanted this thing and now

1499
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:26,240
you know i keep rolling fours

1500
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:28,000
and because of that i don't get this

1501
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,839
thing and

1502
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,359
when they do win the bid you know

1503
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:32,720
everybody's really excited just like at

1504
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:33,920
a real auction

1505
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,200
when they lost the bid they were

1506
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,960
genuinely upset and it was this way of

1507
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,160
injecting and like i said i had no idea

1508
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,000
it was going to turn into this i just

1509
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,760
didn't want to do shopping but as a

1510
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,000
happy coincidence it turned into this

1511
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,160
really kind of emotional day and i'm

1512
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,599
almost positive the whole session was

1513
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,720
the auction

1514
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:53,920
that they they were just into it and i

1515
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,920
thought that they were at some point

1516
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,599
just going to make little paddles so

1517
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,880
that be sitting across the table from

1518
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,880
them they were going to you know hold up

1519
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,440
a paddle like they were yeah bidding at

1520
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,680
christie's or whatever

1521
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,200
and it was cool it was this accidental

1522
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,359
like little odd thing that i thought

1523
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,200
would be fun an auction and it turned

1524
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:12,799
into this really cool thing that they

1525
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,319
enjoyed that

1526
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:16,400
as long as i've known them if you'd

1527
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:18,319
asked me ahead of time hey are you guys

1528
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,440
really going to enjoy this auction i'd

1529
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:20,640
have been like no they're going to

1530
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,640
priest through it get their stuff and

1531
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,319
then be on their way and yeah it was

1532
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,920
cool they they didn't know they wanted

1533
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:27,680
an auction they didn't know competitive

1534
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,839
bidding in dungeons and dragons was

1535
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,520
going to be fun yep but it worked out

1536
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:33,119
and you know when you talk about all the

1537
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,520
things that you've written that they

1538
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:37,440
might not ever see yeah but when they do

1539
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,799
see it and like i said the auction thing

1540
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,319
was a throwaway

1541
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:42,640
and they loved it you're like all right

1542
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:45,839
man this is my incentive to maybe

1543
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,799
push your expectations a little more

1544
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:49,839
and

1545
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:52,079
get me out of this kind of go here do

1546
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:54,319
this thing go back to here bigger

1547
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:56,559
problem bigger problem bigger problem

1548
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:59,200
that components that are

1549
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:01,440
just as important to them or

1550
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,839
you know mean as much to them can be

1551
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,920
these odd little side

1552
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:09,040
ideas

1553
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,960
i have to say um great minds because

1554
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,280
it's it's weird how well to collide

1555
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,200
because i also did an auction a little

1556
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,599
while ago funnily enough similar

1557
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,160
reasoning in that i like to subvert

1558
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:21,359
expectations similar kind of thing of

1559
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,000
you know i didn't want just to be an

1560
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:26,640
item shop and it was part of a

1561
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,799
masquerade ball or you know like a

1562
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,480
philanthropist's house party kind of

1563
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:31,839
thing so it's like a ding ding ding

1564
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,839
we're gonna do the auction now can

1565
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:35,839
everyone make your way to the uh the

1566
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:37,280
west wing and we'll do the auction and

1567
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:38,960
it was a bit of more of a fanciful

1568
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,520
affair of

1569
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:44,400
local celebrities and dignitaries voting

1570
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:46,960
but the gimmick for mine was that the

1571
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,040
items were they were all the aesthetic

1572
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,480
items from xamathar's guide to

1573
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,559
everything so all the ones which are

1574
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,280
ostensibly magic but uh

1575
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:57,359
just for show in a way so the gleaming

1576
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,240
armor that can't get dirty

1577
00:57:57,359 --> 00:58:01,680
the cane that turns into a sword i think

1578
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,640
there's like a pair of pants that looks

1579
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:07,119
like they're on fire yeah yeah

1580
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:09,839
bits and bobs like that yeah so you know

1581
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:12,160
nice nice to have and i foolishly did

1582
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:14,160
not stand on the shoulders of giants and

1583
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,400
just tried to make my own

1584
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,839
head cannon up of how this person is

1585
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,520
gonna bid and who they're bidding

1586
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:21,359
against and stuff and i think two items

1587
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,240
were bought in the end it was the armor

1588
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:26,480
of gleaming and the

1589
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,240
uh the wand of conducting where you can

1590
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,920
it's a bit like a wind waker where you

1591
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,799
can just wave the wand and music starts

1592
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,040
playing

1593
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:35,359
nice yeah which was a nice touch

1594
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:37,200
hell for me to do an auction on the fly

1595
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:38,240
because i'm an idiot and didn't prepare

1596
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,480
and

1597
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:43,200
copy from them better than it yeah yeah

1598
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,480
yeah i think so i think it might be

1599
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,640
my my

1600
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,000
i don't want to say problem my challenge

1601
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,520
is

1602
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,520
six players

1603
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:56,559
with potentially quite unaligned desires

1604
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,640
so we have the whole gamut from

1605
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:01,440
maths maths maths i've multi-classed

1606
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,520
here because that gives me plus x

1607
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,240
here which means that i can do y a lot

1608
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,680
better in this certain situation i get

1609
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,240
one more language and one more

1610
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:14,079
proficiency yeah like that makes me

1611
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:16,880
happy that i've chiseled this character

1612
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:18,400
to be this efficient killing machine all

1613
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,319
the way up to

1614
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,640
a warlock who

1615
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:26,480
made a page and a half

1616
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:28,480
backstory with time skips and ties into

1617
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,160
their patrons and

1618
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,680
we've talked before about his home life

1619
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,280
and where his family live on the world

1620
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,359
map after i provided it with them and

1621
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,240
stuff and and he's into it for a lot

1622
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:40,559
more of the juicy kind of inter-party

1623
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,760
relationships and friction whereas

1624
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,200
you've got that other player who

1625
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,599
basically doesn't give him any of that

1626
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,640
because he's very stoic and like i go

1627
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:50,799
here i do this but eventually and you'd

1628
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,920
like to hope that this would be the case

1629
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:56,720
after about 45 sessions or so everyone's

1630
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,880
slowly starting to smush together and

1631
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,839
those lines of

1632
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:04,799
min max there versus rpl are starting to

1633
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:06,640
blur and cross which is great that's

1634
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:08,640
what i'm after that's perfect because

1635
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,280
then that unlocks

1636
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:13,440
those emotional payoffs it unlocks those

1637
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:16,000
well hey that guy didn't save your life

1638
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,880
when you were fighting last time

1639
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,960
does that

1640
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:22,000
is that not infuriating like he was

1641
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,000
going to let you die man

1642
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,319
like i said i i think and it's also part

1643
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,520
of just how long your group has been

1644
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:30,480
together

1645
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:32,319
that the kind of walls and everything

1646
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,240
fall and

1647
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:36,319
you know your situation's very similar

1648
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,640
to mine with your group dynamic is that

1649
01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:40,160
everybody is at least familiar with each

1650
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,960
other and

1651
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:45,680
whether you guys are super close

1652
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:49,119
in work outside of work the time spent

1653
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:51,520
together builds that bond amongst if not

1654
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:52,960
the people who become more familiar with

1655
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,559
each other we always sit next to each

1656
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,559
other during the game and then that

1657
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:58,960
bleeds into the characters yeah or the

1658
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:00,799
opposite is you the player can make the

1659
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,640
conscientious decision for your

1660
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:04,480
character to

1661
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,640
make the effort to make the group a

1662
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,319
little more cohesive and that's fine too

1663
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,319
you know any group project anybody who

1664
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:11,599
works in a kind of collaborative field

1665
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:13,200
eventually you're going to come across

1666
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:15,119
that one person who's just going to be

1667
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,440
like all right look for this work for

1668
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:18,160
everybody we have to do you know x y and

1669
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,280
z

1670
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,040
yeah for sure yeah and that's totally

1671
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,559
fine you know not everybody has to kind

1672
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,400
of stumble through the dark to find

1673
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:29,200
everything and you know we're adults

1674
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,440
we're at this thing that is you know not

1675
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,520
the easiest to manage time for so

1676
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,160
there's no reason for us to not be as

1677
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:38,480
efficient about it and if you know one

1678
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:41,520
of the end goals is party cohesion at

1679
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,839
least amongst the characters then just

1680
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,920
unilaterally making the decision to work

1681
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:47,280
towards that is totally fine because in

1682
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,040
a real world dynamic that would

1683
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,040
absolutely happen somebody would just go

1684
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,480
all right let's go around the room let's

1685
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,400
meet each other real quick we got to

1686
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,599
work together let's do this and that's

1687
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,319
fine too

1688
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:00,319
however that goal of everybody blending

1689
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:02,240
together the characters at least the

1690
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:04,640
players ideally

1691
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,720
but at least the characters is that you

1692
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,799
guys have to get on the same page

1693
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,200
and enjoy

1694
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:13,359
or do your thing while doing the

1695
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,039
collective get your little emotional

1696
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:17,520
bits while everybody's working towards

1697
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:19,920
this big thing some of you will all get

1698
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,240
emotional bits all at once some of you

1699
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:25,280
one at a time couple you know two at a

1700
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:27,839
time depending on where they overlap but

1701
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,680
and like i said over time that min max

1702
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:31,760
because my two experienced players you

1703
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,480
know they they came in with uh optimized

1704
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:37,680
characters which is fine yeah i i i

1705
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,839
don't like being bad at something that

1706
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,520
i'm trying to do as a diversion so i

1707
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:42,960
don't play golf i don't want to go out

1708
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,880
and be bad at something that's supposed

1709
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,280
to be fun so if you want to come in with

1710
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,799
an optimized character that's fine you

1711
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,480
know what your character is going to do

1712
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:52,079
you want to be good at it there's

1713
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,039
absolutely nothing wrong with that and

1714
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:56,559
then the rpers are much more of the

1715
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:59,520
they focus on the things that their

1716
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:01,520
character can't do well and that's cool

1717
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,319
too the group i play in has a grave

1718
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,319
cleric with a negative con modifier

1719
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:08,000
like you're you're you're the you're the

1720
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:11,520
healer and you're supposed to be the

1721
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,359
stout hearty one and like somehow you're

1722
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,440
the healer but you're the fragile one

1723
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:18,480
but still has a clarity and then we also

1724
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,920
have a war forged battle master very

1725
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,119
stoic who

1726
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,119
in the course of our role play together

1727
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:28,960
has become very

1728
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:31,680
defensive of the cleric for a her role

1729
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:34,400
in the party as you know the healer but

1730
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:37,680
also the character knowing that he's

1731
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:40,079
this automated metal thing

1732
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,559
and she is a

1733
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:44,559
somewhat frail janassi that his

1734
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:46,480
character's motivation is to be

1735
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:49,119
protective of her

1736
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,520
and so they share this really cool kind

1737
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:54,160
of two-person role-playing dynamic

1738
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,000
that's very interesting and it's cool to

1739
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,680
watch i'm not a part of it i don't have

1740
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,880
an emotional need being scratched right

1741
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:03,119
now but watching the two of them

1742
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,200
do it it's almost voyeuristic like i'm

1743
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:07,039
watching this thing that i'm a part of

1744
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,200
but not really a part of i'm in the

1745
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:10,720
party i'm on screen but the scene

1746
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,440
doesn't concern me

1747
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,520
and that's captivating to me even though

1748
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,119
i'm not doing anything with my player

1749
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,680
watching these

1750
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:22,799
genuinely well played out emotional

1751
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,319
exchanges is riveting even though

1752
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:27,119
i'm not getting really anything

1753
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:29,520
emotionally out of it

1754
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:31,440
yeah for sure do you have anything

1755
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:34,559
specific you wanted to cover

1756
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:36,079
just players dungeon masters just

1757
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,520
try to be like i said you know we've

1758
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:40,160
basically hit on the same note all day

1759
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:43,280
the more you're emotionally invested in

1760
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:48,079
this and the more you care about

1761
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:49,680
the emotions of the other players and

1762
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,359
the characters and the dungeon master

1763
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,119
like you know they have emotional needs

1764
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:55,760
to be scratched too even if they're

1765
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:58,799
somewhat sinister in presentation

1766
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,160
you know that if there's anything with

1767
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:01,680
this kind of

1768
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,319
i don't want to say resurgence of

1769
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,599
dungeons dragons but the idea of a

1770
01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:07,680
renaissance

1771
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,880
yeah it being where it is in its

1772
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,760
lifespan

1773
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,599
that there's a whole new group of people

1774
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,799
that don't know about it and learn about

1775
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,799
it every day

1776
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:19,760
and because of things like critical role

1777
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:22,480
or any you know online stream game it's

1778
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:26,000
a lot more than just rolling dice and

1779
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:27,920
killing dragons or wizards or whatever

1780
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,880
that there is this

1781
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:33,440
space for more than just

1782
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,039
a tangible achievement i killed the

1783
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,720
dragon that

1784
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,720
you know even if you're not an actor you

1785
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,680
didn't do drama in high school or

1786
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,640
whatever

1787
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:45,440
that there is a space for you

1788
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,520
and the hardest part is to do the role

1789
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,200
play the role play is hard you're you're

1790
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,960
with your friends you're going to do a

1791
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,280
voice you're going to basically pray

1792
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,319
pretend as an adult yeah it's a hard

1793
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,559
thing to

1794
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:57,280
a hard hurdle to get over

1795
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:00,079
but

1796
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,760
once you are on the other side of it the

1797
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:04,480
emotional

1798
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:08,079
thing that you receive from this game is

1799
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:10,000
just so much more once you've invested i

1800
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:12,000
promise you it will give it will give

1801
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,920
you more back than whatever effort you

1802
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,960
put into your part of emotional

1803
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:19,039
investment for sure a million times over

1804
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,799
i agree with you it's a it's like a

1805
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:22,160
positive feedback loop you keep getting

1806
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:23,440
more in and you keep getting more out

1807
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,079
and everybody

1808
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,839
everybody wins and it's just it reaches

1809
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:30,000
critical mass and it just and then at

1810
01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:32,400
some point it almost even if you're not

1811
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,280
nurturing it every single day

1812
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:37,039
you've given it enough that

1813
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,680
during a slow session when you know

1814
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:41,920
either narratively or just because of

1815
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,520
whatever things don't happen it's not

1816
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,960
like everything comes to a screeching

1817
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,039
halt well that's it for my emotional

1818
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,200
investment i'm out it's

1819
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:50,799
if you give you know as much as you can

1820
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,400
every day for the days when you can't

1821
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:53,760
the dungeon master can't the group just

1822
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,799
seems flat

1823
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,359
you still have enough pent up in you

1824
01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:02,400
yeah to know this is this is still great

1825
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:04,079
even though this today wasn't everything

1826
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,000
i wanted it to be

1827
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:08,000
yeah just as in life you have ups and

1828
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,680
you have downs and that's the ride that

1829
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,000
we're on together and it's that kind of

1830
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:15,200
group bonding experience that we've

1831
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,440
talked about before and one thing that i

1832
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,799
want to end it on is

1833
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,559
again a little bit of an emotional

1834
01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:22,640
rollercoaster is we touched it earlier

1835
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:26,400
on it's that kind of dm

1836
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:29,119
loneliness of sitting in your car just

1837
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,760
like god i've got all these ideas but

1838
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:33,200
i i don't have anyone to talk to and

1839
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,200
that that's a pain i think every every

1840
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:37,359
dm goes through at some point because of

1841
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,839
course the the people you want to talk

1842
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:42,880
to about it most are the ones you can't

1843
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:44,319
ever talk about it to for lack of

1844
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,839
whipping the emotional rug out from

1845
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:48,799
under their feet and having nothing to

1846
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:52,319
fall back on so what i'm very happy to

1847
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:55,680
have found in in yourself is a

1848
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:57,280
dm foil for me to bounce ideas off of

1849
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,880
perhaps next time i have a

1850
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,319
an auction for

1851
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,240
for items i know who i'm going to come

1852
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:04,799
and talk to yeah you know they always

1853
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,799
say shrinks have uh psychiatrists have

1854
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:09,119
psychiatrists that they can talk to

1855
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:10,880
and it's not the same thing but i i

1856
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:13,839
always feel like a dungeon master should

1857
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:15,359
have like a dungeon master friend

1858
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:16,560
you know everybody has a concept of what

1859
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:18,640
it means to be a dungeon master but

1860
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:21,359
until you do it or that's what you kind

1861
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,040
of have carved your niche out it is very

1862
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:25,279
lonely and the only person that really

1863
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:27,279
understands dungeon master problems are

1864
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,319
other dungeon masters for a million

1865
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,799
reasons

1866
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,880
and it's good to have one or as many as

1867
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:35,279
you want the you know the more you widen

1868
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,520
your pool the more ideas or the more

1869
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:39,920
collaboration or all these things

1870
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,960
that keep your emotional investment in

1871
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:45,359
the actual act of dungeon mastering that

1872
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,120
will then translate into your actual

1873
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,960
game with it i think i think it's

1874
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,279
important like you say it's just it's a

1875
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,359
lonely thing otherwise

1876
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:55,120
it's lonely at the top as they say

1877
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,640
heavy's the head

1878
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,719
all right well that's pretty much

1879
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,120
brought us to the end so

1880
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:03,120
is there anything you would like to plug

1881
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:07,040
as you have the opportunity as of right

1882
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,640
now i play algernon altano on mysteries

1883
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:11,920
in the dale lands

1884
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:14,239
monday night 7 30 eastern time on the

1885
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,560
wily hobbit twitch channel

1886
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:19,600
and then coming in january i will be

1887
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:22,319
dungeon mastering a greyhawk campaign on

1888
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,799
sunday afternoons on that same channel

1889
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,920
and then also that same month i will be

1890
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:28,319
bringing

1891
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,359
my rhyme of the frost main campaign to

1892
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,080
stream

1893
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,560
so

1894
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,759
yes i do have things to plug and as soon

1895
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,759
as we're done with this i'm going to go

1896
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:37,839
back to the anxiety of getting both of

1897
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:41,040
those ready

1898
01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:43,679
again another emotion i know only too

1899
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:46,080
well yes awesome sunday afternoons i am

1900
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:48,560
typically free so i look forward to that

1901
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,600
in the new year otherwise

1902
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,640
thank you

1903
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:55,440
ever ever so much your

1904
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:56,800
enthusiasm is infectious and

1905
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,920
i think that a lot of people are going

1906
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,440
to listen to this and come out the other

1907
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,520
side and go

1908
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:03,920
i want to go and play d d now

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which i couldn't think of a better

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outcome for an episode of the podcast so

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yeah

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thank you thank you ever so much thanks

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for having me this was a like i said

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this is a real cool thing that between

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this and your other um episodes i think

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that these these topics these big

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obscure kind of high-minded things need

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to need a space for discussion and the

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more people that listen to it and

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participate in it i think it could only

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be good for for everybody if not just

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the people who hear it thank you that

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that means a lot if anyone has any

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comments or thoughts on today's episodes

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or i don't know you might say emotions

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please drop me a tweet at danielle

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underscore dnd otherwise thank you all

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for listening and good night

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