Continuity

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welcome thinkers to season three episode

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21 of thinking critically today's topic

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is continuity and a quick announcement

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for a change

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on friday the 25th of march i'm going to

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be doing a 12-hour charity stream for

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the naomi's house and jack's place

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children's hospice charity supported by

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my work silver lining so

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please and it's my first stream ever so

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i would very much appreciate any and all

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support and donations so please on

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today i'm joined by jared jahoda and

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matt morris of mid-level adventurers

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thank you ever so much for joining us

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today guys uh jared why don't you start

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why don't you tell us a little bit about

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yourself well thank you danalo my name

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is jarrod johoda and i've been playing

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tabletop rpgs for about 12 years mostly

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dungeons and dragons started with

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3.5

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did a little bit of 4e and then up to 5e

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mostly dungeon mastering

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and during the great pandemic we all

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went through i started doing this

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podcast mid-level adventurers with

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matt here to talk about

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how to get into it if you're new and we

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also started a twitch stream called

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newly forged and that's us or that's me

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anyway

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well thanks for the segue there matt how

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how about yourself why don't you

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introduce yourself hello everyone i'm

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matt morris and i'm the other half of

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mid-level adventurers and one small part

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of newly forged

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i'm the noob here i have

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had uh i did a little experience with

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some d d back in high school and then

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took an incredibly long time off

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and really didn't get back into it until

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yeah the pandemic hit and uh we were

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looking for things to do with their time

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and i thought

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i'd love to get back into this

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tabletop thing so thanks to some

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encouragement here from jared we got a

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couple of little like one shots going

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and then

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mess around with the idea of

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our podcast with sort of the

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uh dynamic of jared being the

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experienced uh member of the duo and

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me offering some insight as a new player

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and then sort of we designed it to

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do some like helpful introductory topics

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for people who may be new to dnd so yeah

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that's it i mean i've currently only got

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the one

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running game right now newly forged and

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yeah that's pretty much it for me

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amazing thank you i'm very lucky to have

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mix then of of guests it should be a

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very interesting

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episode and i like the implication that

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you're the noob here implying that the

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you know the rest of us are extreme

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veterans which is that well certainly

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for me absolutely not the case

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oh well comparatively

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we're we're all players that's the

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important thing

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indeed yeah exactly well today's topic

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is continuity so what does that mean to

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you guys in the dnd framework well i

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think the first thing right off the bat

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is the continuity of the game timeline

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whatever game you're playing probably

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has some aspect of a linear time to it

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so you know the players do x and that

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has consequences

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and it would be consistent if like they

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go back to a village that they saved

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people like hey those are the guys who

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saved us from the thing last time let's

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give them a party let's put them up the

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end for free

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so having kind of continuity in

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that aspect i think everybody gets

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right off the bat you know

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yeah i think it's certainly an aspect

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that even if you are new to tabletop

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games or dnd

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um that has been introduced in a lot of

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rpg style video games for instance the

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idea of yeah consequences and you know

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your actions having some effect on the

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world and

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i think a lot what jared and i have

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discussed in this topic in the past has

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to do with you know home brew

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when you're talking about dnd and

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that's pretty exciting i i know less

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about the the sort of pre-made modules

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but my understanding is that there is a

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timeline to the

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dnd 5e world that these

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pre-made modules and stories also follow

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and uh there's a long history of

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what characters are who and how they

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interact with the world so oh yeah very

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much so yeah

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and it's not just you know what the

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players do that helps to carry through a

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campaign or even multiple campaigns

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just consistency with the rules and

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environments that you use

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like if you have a city that floats by

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using magical crystals

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maybe any kind of

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floating that is not like an individual

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needs those so they need those same

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crystals for sky ships or they need it

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for

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flying carpets in some way or whatever

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it works out to be

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that's a very good point i feel tangent

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number one is probably coming now but

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and this is what we're really good at if

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you can be good at such a thing

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um that's a good point though because

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there are obviously rules in the

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player's handbook that define how things

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work like magic and such but there are

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also things that are

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i dare i say designed to be left up to

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interpretation at the table

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or by the dm so some continuity there is

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important as well if you're setting

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certain uh interpretations of rules too

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or story building yeah yeah absolutely i

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think there's a couple of a couple of

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topics that you've touched on so first

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you met if you want to go and check out

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the history of fiverr you can go and

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look at my uh listen to my lore episode

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which has all those things and that's a

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shameless self plug there yeah mid

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episode amazing i love it yeah we've

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talked about that too on mid-level

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adventures we have a whole

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history part of our uh

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it's mostly jared

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for being honest

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yeah i mean i do a lot of research for

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these things so

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we talk about that continuity in our

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ravenloft uh episode for example where

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we talk about where ravenloft came from

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and you know how it went from being part

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late 80s second edition into third and

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carried on all the way up mm-hmm

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yeah all stuff that i

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openly don't know a huge amount of but

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that's why you know

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my excuses that's why i'm doing the

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podcast so i can learn that's my uh

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exactly yeah

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and the the the other thing there that

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is a very very very good place to start

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we'll loop background to internal

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consistency but what i really like to

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say is that one of the reasons that

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draws me to

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is that continuity in in the universe

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i nothing irks me more now than

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playing an rpg and going back to a town

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and you speak you know the npc's just in

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a loop that is devoid of it of any kind

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of context you know like i might have

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run through here guns blazing throwing

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grenades out you know

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like a madman and then i come back and

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the npcs are just like have you

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heard of the shop down the street

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and that that like

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that is so that's why i love ttrfigs

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because they don't have that same

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exclamation point over their head

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anymore

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[Laughter]

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because you've done you've completed the

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quest yeah and that's why i love tt rpgs

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because it's

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you always have that you know even from

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the micro to the macro there's always

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that

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level of or at least i like to put in my

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campaigns that level of consistency and

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continuity

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i think one one way that that

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actually is helped a rare occurrence of

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some of the weirder elements of the

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rules actually helping that is

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as the players

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level up

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there is like an internal guideline for

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basically fame or for infamy so it's

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like you know zero to five it's

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your champions of your village of your

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road uh five to ten is you know your

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your county or you know your

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your city might know you and then 10 to

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15 is like the country knows who you are

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and then 15 to 20 is the world knows who

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you are and that is a very useful i find

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guideline for

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maintaining that that consistency and

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that continuity in your in your universe

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and so you can get to a point where even

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the players turn up to a place they

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haven't been to before and people are

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like hey

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i i know you

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rather than a classic you know jrpg

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where the party turns up to town and

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they're just like i don't know who you

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are i mean you've got the you know

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swords and and summons and wacky

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hairstyles and while you just defeated

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this big ass dragon and nobody noticed

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yeah whereas i quite like it yeah rare

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occurrence that the raw stuff is kind of

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the stuff that's baked in

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kind of can help with that that

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continuity and consistency

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yeah and i think that's one of the fun

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things about being a

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dungeon master is you get to play with

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that a lot including flipping it on its

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head and like maybe they have a

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adversary that has gone ahead of them to

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be like don't believe the hype so it can

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really mess with your players which is a

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lot of fun for me

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yeah no i i've i've noticed this with

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jared and i i appreciate the you you

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made mention of the the micro versus the

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macro and i can already see in our

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campaign for instance

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you know we're starting out we have a

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member of the party who is desperate to

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spread our fame you know we've done very

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little and everywhere we go they're like

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we've done these things we're so famous

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um just you know hyping us up but

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already we found our like first taste of

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what could be a

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like a reoccurring enemy

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with you know someone that escaped our

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capture in a small little town

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and uh we've already

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found them you know in the next town

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over

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and uh

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you know it's it's

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things that like as a dm i'm sure you

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must have a lot of fun building these

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encounters because there's some

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longevity to that as well and like you

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said jared these

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enemies uh they have lives outside of

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the encounters right so if they go on to

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the next city what that could mean

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consequences for the party if you were

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coming for them maybe they're waiting

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for you etc yeah exactly

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yeah i've had that before again tied

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into this kind of infamy system of

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my players were how should we put this

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less than legal in there

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they often are i think

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a couple of interactions before they

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left a major city so when they came back

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one of their kind of allied persons was

305
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was waiting for them and was like you

306
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can't really go into the city it's not

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really safe for you anymore so follow me

308
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and i can i can provide you an

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alternative route and that's what i love

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because it they they weren't i don't

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think they were expecting that they're

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all just expecting to just rock up on

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the sea and i was like nah man you're

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like you injured

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basically the cops and everybody hates

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like cop killers so like

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you you really do have targets on your

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back now

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they start to recognize you right yeah

320
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it happens in every game my home game

321
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they definitely you know

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were on a mission looking for a serial

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killer that was running through the city

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succeeding in finding it and instead of

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like reporting it they did what all

326
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players would do and

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took it out

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which of course attracted the guards and

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then the guards were like so you admit

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you just killed this person well yeah

331
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but they were a serial killer according

332
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to you

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so they got arrested

334
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yeah

335
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the parallels are crazy because

336
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a very similar thing happened in my game

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uh they were a couple of sessions

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earlier they were at a

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a

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how can i put this like a low

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uh quality establishment like full of

342
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you know what sailors and workers and

343
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it's rough and rowdy

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[Music]

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and they were they were like here's i'll

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just tip a gold well i don't i can't be

347
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bothered to work out the numbers here's

348
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here's the gold and obviously flashing

349
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that kind of dollar and that kind of

350
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establishment drew a lot of attention

351
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and i told them at the time i was like

352
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people are looking at you like drop a

353
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bag of gems on the

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on the bar

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and then as they were leaving town they

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got

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they got jumped upon yeah and painting

358
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the target themselves indeed indeed and

359
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players being players

360
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they as you said they just

361
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went for the throat quite literally with

362
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the with the druids shape-shifting into

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like a tiger and

364
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it was bloody and it was messy and there

365
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were onlookers and then when the guards

366
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turned up and was like

367
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what the heck has happened here the

368
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players they they choosed it so i was

369
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like yeah you ran you ran from the

370
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police so

371
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i don't know what you expect me to do

372
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but you look guilty as

373
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anything man like yeah right exactly

374
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exactly and every group does it i have

375
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met no

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party that's like we will obey all the

377
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laws in this city we promise no

378
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yeah yeah oh yeah we that last major

379
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city we were in within like a day we

380
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were breaking and entering and oh yeah

381
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murdering people at this warehouse

382
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it's i'm realizing how how

383
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closely the the

384
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topics of continuity and consequences

385
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are

386
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well they are related perhaps

387
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when you make an action you are putting

388
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into effect

389
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effects which will

390
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continue down the line and those effects

391
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have consequences yeah and i think that

392
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is like such i mean i love video games

393
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don't get me wrong but such an

394
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incredible part of playing

395
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d d or another tabletop rpg is that

396
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those

397
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consequences and that continuity is

398
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shaped and sort of tailored to your

399
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party

400
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and there are things that you might take

401
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for granted i mean you mentioned this in

402
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a jj jrpg

403
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um you know you walk into town looking

404
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like you know all the best weapon and

405
00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:30,399
armor and crazy hairstyles and no one

406
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seems to

407
00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:34,639
think twice about it but when like an

408
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hour party you're you're a turtle a

409
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goblin

410
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a construct

411
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and a half fork you know you tend to get

412
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noticed as you as you travel from cities

413
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and a human with one golden eye like

414
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they stand out yeah yeah i mean we're

415
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pretty yeah i mean there's no yeah yeah

416
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there's no hiding that we walk into a

417
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town now and people are like even if

418
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they don't know who we are

419
00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:56,839
they're probably like ah these these

420
00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,560
cats are up to you make an impression

421
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definitely

422
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the parallels continue because my my

423
00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:06,800
players are at war forge total goliath

424
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i i did have a bug bear until recently

425
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who unfortunately passed away

426
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um oh alright and then there is a human

427
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and a

428
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elf so they're the two most mundane uh

429
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right here hearing hearing me describing

430
00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:22,959
elsa's mundane i think speaks for itself

431
00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,720
with regards to this it's the rest of

432
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the gang i did stress to them at the

433
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beginning exactly what you said i was

434
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like

435
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people are going to cross the street

436
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when they see you coming and they're

437
00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,800
going to want to have nothing to do with

438
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you guys which is quite nice because

439
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then when they went to

440
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like a different special city that's

441
00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,079
very multicultural

442
00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,759
nobody batted an eyelid and it was a

443
00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:45,360
nice change of pace from all these more

444
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you know human settlements where

445
00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,759
everyone was like shielding their

446
00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,759
children away

447
00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,800
yeah i love that though i love to see

448
00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:57,519
the reactions change i mean in our group

449
00:15:54,800 --> 00:16:00,160
we've got the warforged also and

450
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as far as we know in the

451
00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,639
world that jared has created

452
00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,320
he's the only one so that has created

453
00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:09,040
some interesting

454
00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,360
interactions with just yeah you know

455
00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:14,480
fear or curiosity

456
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,639
and uh at least one like maybe at least

457
00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,639
at the moment minor story arc that may

458
00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:20,320
have occurred due to the fact that he's

459
00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:23,279
the only

460
00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:25,440
known warforged yeah i mean you got to

461
00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:26,480
think about it you went into your first

462
00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,440
town

463
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,040
with

464
00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,519
a turtle guy

465
00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:34,720
this walking construct a goblin and

466
00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:36,800
goblins in this world used to be like

467
00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,639
quote unquote civilized empire and have

468
00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,160
since kind of de-evolved after a

469
00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:42,320
thousand years of

470
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,800
you know apocalypse and spell storms and

471
00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,120
whatever so people are kind of leery of

472
00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,040
goblins yeah and at the time you also

473
00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,959
had your little kobold buddy

474
00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,120
oh i forgot yeah we were toting around

475
00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:54,560
at kobold uh in the party for uh for a

476
00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,120
good little while actually it was

477
00:16:54,560 --> 00:17:00,000
originally your enemy and then you

478
00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,079
kidnapped and kind of

479
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,519
turned him to your like

480
00:17:02,079 --> 00:17:05,679
sidekick

481
00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,679
morally questionable all of those

482
00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:08,959
episodes just in case anyone goes back

483
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to watch

484
00:17:08,959 --> 00:17:11,919
in hindsight

485
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,039
yeah it's a good thing you play the

486
00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:15,039
cleric i know

487
00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,640
i'm not the best cleric admittedly but

488
00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,559
we we digress a little bit here i i

489
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,839
think and that's probably my fault but

490
00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:27,760
uh no no not at all i mean i i just the

491
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only thing i wanted to add and it is

492
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this this jrpg trade baron you want to

493
00:17:29,679 --> 00:17:33,039
add it because it's very very relevant

494
00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:35,200
to me right now i'm playing through uh

495
00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,200
tales of a rise which is one of the the

496
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,440
tales of video game series and literally

497
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,360
there's this one point where

498
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:44,240
your classic party of

499
00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:47,360
jrpg characters you've got the you know

500
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exaggerated hairstyles clothing all the

501
00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:52,480
npcs are like two foot shorter just

502
00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,160
because they're just not as cool um

503
00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,200
they're traveling with you know

504
00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,240
in in dresses and very unpractical

505
00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,240
combat attire and they go to a city

506
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,200
which is under like extreme strict

507
00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,480
government surveillance uh oh

508
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,320
and they're like well we'll just walk

509
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,600
the streets it'll be fine

510
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,039
but uh

511
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,640
they've just spent like i had to sit

512
00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,919
through like 20 minutes the cutscenes of

513
00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,520
how like this is dystopian

514
00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:18,880
you know surveillance and everyone's

515
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,400
backstabbing each other and betraying

516
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,760
each other to the government and that

517
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,520
you're just like we'll just walk around

518
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,360
the streets i'm sure everybody's too

519
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,360
busy to notice us and i'm like

520
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,960
everyone dresses like this right it's

521
00:18:29,679 --> 00:18:35,360
such a such a prime example of of that

522
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,400
and uh yeah one of the reasons why

523
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i love

524
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having you know running that and as you

525
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,840
said like i do take an enjoyment as a dm

526
00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:45,440
trying to plan that

527
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,600
what's if they're returning to a place

528
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,280
what's what's happened since last time

529
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,400
and they were there you know what's

530
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,760
what's happened to the people what's

531
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,440
happened to the infrastructure how the

532
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,840
how are the people gonna

533
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,200
respond to these crazy adventurers if

534
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,360
they knew them if they didn't know them

535
00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,240
all that stuff is super interesting and

536
00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:04,880
super fun to to play as a dm at the

537
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,120
table yeah the largest the largest city

538
00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,720
they've been to now has an underground

539
00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:10,240
fighting ring because they decided to

540
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,320
try to find one and couldn't and asked a

541
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,160
local bartender and he was like that's a

542
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,840
good idea to make money

543
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,440
so now there's an underground fighting

544
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,039
ring

545
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,600
yeah yeah and it's not i mean it's not a

546
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:24,640
huge city it's funny to see that

547
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,320
already the influence the party has had

548
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,000
and it's one of those places at the

549
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,240
moment we have returned to a couple of

550
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,919
times so we have been able to see

551
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,840
you know there have been a couple of

552
00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:36,240
things that we're trying to solve and

553
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,919
we've got someone at the library

554
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,960
researching for us and so like all of

555
00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:41,039
these things are happening in the

556
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,440
background which is very exciting

557
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,960
uh for a player to experience

558
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,280
and i mean hopefully exciting for jared

559
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,440
to create but like i think that

560
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,640
this type of continuity

561
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:55,120
and what sets us apart too from a video

562
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,520
game again to to use that

563
00:19:55,120 --> 00:20:00,480
entire trope but is that um

564
00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,799
it can be morphed a little bit

565
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,600
to the party to kind of encompass like

566
00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:06,880
what is the party interested in

567
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,480
uh you know i know there are people that

568
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,240
are probably a little more

569
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,640
excited about the combat and perhaps the

570
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,400
politics are not as exciting but

571
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,400
i find at least in our campaign a

572
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,000
healthy mix of sort of jared's really

573
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,080
good about that about like yeah how

574
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,760
would this affect the what would the

575
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,799
local government say about you just

576
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,919
going around as a vigilante group for

577
00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:27,919
hire

578
00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:30,480
would they hire you uh would they try to

579
00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:32,640
like maybe put a stop to that

580
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,400
would they ignore you et cetera yeah i

581
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,280
mean that's exactly what you did you

582
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:39,200
went after this vigilante group or you

583
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,640
or you acted as vigilantes going after

584
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,120
this group of criminals that you knew

585
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,799
were criminals you had

586
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,640
personal experience you knew that they

587
00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:48,480
had taken over a smaller town and like

588
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,000
enslaved the population

589
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,799
you knew all this you didn't have

590
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,120
necessarily quote unquote proof but you

591
00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,480
did what you felt was right

592
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,600
and

593
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,520
when

594
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,520
you invaded their home and caused a big

595
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,159
battle including calling a lightning

596
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,480
storm in the middle of the day

597
00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:08,880
well when the cops showed up they were

598
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,480
like okay we're going to arrest you now

599
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,840
because you're the only ones left alive

600
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,159
here

601
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,480
exactly yeah and we were they went

602
00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:18,960
through a trial yeah yeah

603
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,559
that so again so one of my players

604
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,280
returned to the city and the third time

605
00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:26,000
two of them masqueraded as like lawyers

606
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,679
representing the party and then they

607
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,600
went to go and they went to go and fight

608
00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:31,600
their case and they're like oh yes with

609
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,240
our clients got you know jumped in the

610
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,600
street and were assailed and then the

611
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,760
constable's like

612
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,280
so they murdered them quite viciously in

613
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,400
front of children

614
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,919
that's still

615
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,880
that's not letting justice take its

616
00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:47,200
course that's still murder how do you

617
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,200
how do you propose to respond to those

618
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,660
charges and they're just like uh

619
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:54,480
self-defense

620
00:21:50,660 --> 00:21:56,159
[Laughter]

621
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,520
brutal self-defense yeah yes they were

622
00:21:56,159 --> 00:21:59,200
like well we're still going to have to

623
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,720
see them they're still like

624
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,240
questions we need to ask them we can't

625
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,080
just talk through you all the time we

626
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,000
need to speak to them and long story

627
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,360
short as i managed to kind of work

628
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,520
you know game the system with some

629
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,880
legalese for the time being but um

630
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,880
they're still in that open you know

631
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,640
wanted for questions that is much nicer

632
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,559
than what i did i actually had them

633
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,400
imprisoned in like holding for like a

634
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,240
week and a half while they sent riders

635
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,600
out to like this little town to confirm

636
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,760
their story

637
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,600
it was it was house arrest though to be

638
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,760
fair so there was there were you know it

639
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,159
was a little cushier than like a dungeon

640
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:33,200
yeah yeah it was a very run-down shack

641
00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:34,880
that they made them all stay in and like

642
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,200
they could ask for things but they

643
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,799
wouldn't be allowed to like go out on

644
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,600
errands or anything

645
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:44,240
well i have i have a warlock player the

646
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:47,679
human warlock who is very

647
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,679
trixie and very conniving and very

648
00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:52,159
like worming his way out of things and

649
00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:54,960
into things sometimes so um

650
00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:56,559
yes when he's on when he's my adversary

651
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,679
in real life

652
00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:01,840
it makes things very tricky

653
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,880
i know there are some players and i

654
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,840
actually want to talk about this there

655
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,280
are some players who are just so smart

656
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,039
like i have people who i play with who

657
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,799
are way smarter than me

658
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:13,120
i'm not included

659
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:14,559
yes you are and

660
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,919
and they can talk their way through

661
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,440
things and like well if you look at it

662
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,480
from my point of view

663
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,480
and like

664
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,640
jared is like yeah no i get where you're

665
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,320
coming from but then i'm like but this

666
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,799
guy's an officer of the law and he

667
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,760
doesn't care you broke his law

668
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,280
yeah

669
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,880
that's good to keep that in perspective

670
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,400
and i have had yeah jared has definitely

671
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,240
said that like no no no you make a good

672
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,640
case doesn't matter though

673
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,559
you didn't convince this guy

674
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,480
right like if i was there i'd probably

675
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:43,440
let you off but yeah yeah you convinced

676
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,919
me too bad i'm not you know constantly

677
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,159
there's there's a a a background from

678
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:49,360
one of the extra books

679
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:51,840
that is

680
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:54,400
like the the ability of the background

681
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,080
allows you to use legalese to confuse

682
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,240
people if they don't if they're not from

683
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,919
a legal background and that like next

684
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,240
character i create i'm going to take

685
00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:03,679
that because inevitably it will come in

686
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,840
handy at some point based off the last

687
00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:08,080
20 minutes of discussion

688
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,760
absolutely no that's genius i love that

689
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,000
that's got to be from like acquisitions

690
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,679
incorporated i think i think so yeah

691
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,240
yeah i don't know don't give jared too

692
00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:19,039
many ideas

693
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,200
well that's a whole nother scenario that

694
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:22,720
again way too smart for me

695
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,000
well i don't know i mean i want to give

696
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,520
i'm going to give throw some credit back

697
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,919
to jared here and this is actually

698
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,440
something i wanted to ask today we'll

699
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:32,960
throw it back to both of you since you

700
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:35,039
booked dm you know how how is it when

701
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,520
you're trying to create

702
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:40,159
this continuity for your players for

703
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,840
instance i imagine that like you've got

704
00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:44,480
maybe a main goal you want to achieve

705
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,120
for the party and then inevitably

706
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,000
they take a hard right somewhere

707
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,520
and

708
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,840
do you you know like for the most part

709
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,240
do you just run with that and sort of

710
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,720
reshape that path or try to like steer

711
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,799
it back on or you know

712
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,679
what do you prefer there if that makes

713
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,840
sense

714
00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:03,440
i'm not sure if i post that correctly i

715
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,840
don't know whether this is a good thing

716
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,480
or a bad thing from from my perspective

717
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,159
but they are i i have a couple of

718
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,000
well the one very experienced player

719
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:14,320
who's very much there to you know

720
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,840
progress the story and i understand you

721
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,360
know dan lowe's laid out this adventure

722
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,000
for us to play so i'll meet him in the

723
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:21,520
middle so he yeah being the most

724
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,039
experienced he's kind of taking the lead

725
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,159
in a lot of the decision making process

726
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,360
so

727
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:27,520
with him

728
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:29,760
doing a lot of the come on guys we need

729
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:33,440
to go and do this this thing that's set

730
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:35,440
up um that's helped a lot and also i

731
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:39,039
have instilled in them

732
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:41,120
perhaps too much a sense of urgency

733
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:43,679
and you know that that kind of impending

734
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,159
existential doom is is very much a

735
00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:47,600
ticking clock so so much so it's almost

736
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:50,400
to the extreme that they don't want to

737
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,720
do even you know on on the main on the

738
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,480
critical path quests because they think

739
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,080
they think they're side quests and

740
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,520
they're like we don't we don't have time

741
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,400
for this and i'm like nah you do

742
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,279
seriously you do you sure

743
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,720
so

744
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,799
i i can honestly say i've never had

745
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,720
anything so

746
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:13,600
hard right turn that i've had to

747
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,279
completely up upheave my stuff mainly

748
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,880
i'm

749
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,520
introducing

750
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,559
these kind of side parts so for example

751
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,480
when they returned to the city and their

752
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,240
ally said guys you can't just walk the

753
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,679
streets because guards will recognize

754
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,520
you follow me

755
00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:32,000
i thought up of a whole kind of like

756
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,480
criminal side subplot where they go and

757
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,640
meet some criminal king who's like i'll

758
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,799
let you use my resources if you do this

759
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,520
one errand for me to go and murder you

760
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:44,159
know assassinate some target somewhere

761
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,159
so that that was about as sidequesty as

762
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:47,840
it gets and that was because of their

763
00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:49,679
actions so it's more

764
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,440
i guess it's it's a collaborative thing

765
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:54,880
i'm very lucky that none of my players

766
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,039
have gone i just want to fly upside down

767
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,679
into the sun and and then i have to kind

768
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,240
of

769
00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:01,760
think up so we're gonna go

770
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,159
yeah i would like to think that maybe

771
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,320
we're not i mean i know we get derailed

772
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:08,720
often but hopefully not too far that

773
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,919
that jared has had to rethink everything

774
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,679
and then he and i have actually talked

775
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:13,440
about this too right like when there's

776
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:15,200
only so much planning

777
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,440
right yeah there's only so much planning

778
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,240
you can do but here's the deal

779
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,080
ultimately i treat it like the players

780
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,039
are their characters

781
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,080
and

782
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:28,880
you can do whatever you want

783
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,240
it's gonna have consequences and other

784
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,480
things that

785
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,880
are going on are gonna happen yeah if

786
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,679
you want to spend two weeks of downtime

787
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,320
learning pottery i'm gonna let you do it

788
00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:42,159
but if there's some warlord building up

789
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,600
stuff somewhere else

790
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:44,799
they're probably gonna get pretty far

791
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,799
along

792
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,880
that's true and that i think it's cool

793
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:50,640
though i mean we may never know that as

794
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080
players or characters

795
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,440
that sitting

796
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,480
somewhere and taking a moment to do

797
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,000
something uh led to a harder

798
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,039
quote-unquote boss battle somewhere down

799
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,200
the road

800
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:03,520
but the fact that that is still going on

801
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,200
in the background is pretty fascinating

802
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,880
well and that's where the continuity

803
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,640
comes into it right yeah because the

804
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,960
world continues right exactly exactly

805
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,399
the world keeps going it's not like uh

806
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,640
yeah you know things are always

807
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:16,799
happening outside of

808
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,080
whatever city you're in at the time

809
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,000
um obviously

810
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,399
and you can also rely on your players to

811
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,480
do that and you probably had the same

812
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:26,720
thing daniel you mentioned that you have

813
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,399
a player who's more experienced and kind

814
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,880
of takes the lead

815
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:32,559
and that's like that's consistency in

816
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,000
and of itself like you can trust that

817
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,960
continuity of it

818
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320
and

819
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,760
everybody like

820
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,760
starts with an accent or comes up with

821
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,600
one or loses one or whatever

822
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,880
but that's not what like when i think of

823
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,520
continuity that's not what i think about

824
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,960
it i think about it as their play style

825
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,720
their habits

826
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,919
is their character argumentative is

827
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,320
their character

828
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:54,640
flimsy uh in terms of like

829
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,240
wishy-washiness which isn't really a

830
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,679
word but we're going to go with it

831
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,520
no i think it's an excellent segue

832
00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:01,039
however i think danalo was you were

833
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,480
going to say something a second uh only

834
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:06,960
only the a lot of my

835
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,480
mental effort regarding

836
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,559
continuity is spent with those my micro

837
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,559
things it's more like

838
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:16,480
there's never any big branching i'm

839
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,840
gonna go and start up a florist it's

840
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,320
always more like

841
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,039
i'm gonna talk in a certain way to this

842
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,480
npc who then i have to go oh okay i'm

843
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,799
gonna have to think quite hard about how

844
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,840
they're gonna respond to that it's more

845
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,039
yeah it's more

846
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,159
the uh

847
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,360
the

848
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:33,200
intimate

849
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,440
things rather than big world expanding

850
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,120
things but um

851
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,480
a couple of my players have got

852
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,399
you know actually most of them have got

853
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,000
things bubbling on in the background

854
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:44,000
it's just

855
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,919
yeah they're all they're all between six

856
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,120
of them between analysis paralysis

857
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:49,679
between

858
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,600
this overarching existential threat not

859
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:53,840
many of them have been too proactive and

860
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,640
being like guys can we go a detour i

861
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,480
want to go and see my parents

862
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,840
uh so there's

863
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,039
there's not been too much they have

864
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,720
parents

865
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:05,440
that's insane they're not they're not

866
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,600
all orphans yeah the same back story oh

867
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,679
my god you let parents happen in your

868
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,360
world that's crazy i got i've got the

869
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:12,720
whole i've got the whole gamut i've got

870
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,399
the whole like

871
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,279
yeah my two parents live here and

872
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:19,840
they're fine to also i woke up with

873
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:22,559
amnesia and don't know who i am i've got

874
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,760
that i've got extremes in my game

875
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:28,240
that's amazing we have our our warforged

876
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,039
has amnesia so that's pretty yeah

877
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,360
so does mine that's no i don't i don't i

878
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:35,919
don't believe you guys this is some this

879
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,919
is like a prank

880
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:38,960
the same character in two different

881
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:41,679
universes

882
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,200
is your warforged also a barbarian

883
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:45,039
no he isn't

884
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,440
he is a druid although i wish i'd just

885
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:50,240
say yes just to say yeah oh that is cool

886
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,480
does he turn into like mecca animals yes

887
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,720
he's got very strong you know aesthetic

888
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,520
vision so he's like i want to be

889
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,039
a

890
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,600
organic transformer essentially so

891
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,600
yeah so he's made like bark and vines

892
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,760
and originally once he might have been

893
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,919
you know more inorganic material but

894
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,679
over the passage of time because he was

895
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:12,799
you know deactivated for 2000 years or

896
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:15,360
something it's he slowly adopted the

897
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:17,120
druidic way oh i love it it's

898
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,640
fascinating actually yeah

899
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,600
that's all i know the topic too is like

900
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,320
uh

901
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,440
backstories but um no you you touched on

902
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,279
this a bit ago jared the um

903
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,600
speaking on continuity i mean so far

904
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:31,519
we've sort of talked about

905
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,519
storyline or

906
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:35,440
world building and world progression but

907
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,720
i think there is something to be said

908
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,120
about

909
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,240
the continuity of a player's

910
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,760
choices

911
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,679
right um

912
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:47,760
hopefully a player has a strong idea

913
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:49,360
of how that character might play in the

914
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,519
beginning but obviously things like that

915
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,960
will sort of change i think that

916
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,039
i know for us

917
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,039
in the first several episodes we were

918
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,279
probably all finding our

919
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:01,519
ourselves and sort of the dynamic within

920
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,799
the party which is a big thing too

921
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,840
but yeah i think it can be easy

922
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,679
sometimes to uh accidentally maybe lose

923
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,960
sight of something that your

924
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:10,880
character

925
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,559
well their alignment if we're going to

926
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,519
use that word

927
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,120
um

928
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,720
i've done that before too

929
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,120
and then looked back on things and

930
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,320
they're like oh is that really what

931
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,589
spook would have done in that situation

932
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,589
[Music]

933
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:33,039
[Music]

934
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,880
that is a very good question and funnily

935
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:36,320
enough one of my my notes here i'm

936
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,559
looking at is

937
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,399
player character continuity as in

938
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:43,760
keeping how do you keep your own

939
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:46,480
character consistent given the often

940
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,559
outlandish situations they they find

941
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,120
themselves in in a given campaign like

942
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:53,200
yeah yeah any any tips or advice on that

943
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,600
or how do you do it matt i have a kind

944
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,640
of funny one here so i am a player in

945
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,760
one

946
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:03,200
campaign that uh a player of mine in my

947
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,640
home game put together so his other dms

948
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,000
could play

949
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,159
instead of just having to run them all

950
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,480
the time which was cool very nice so he

951
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:12,559
took uh waddle deep dragon heist and

952
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,000
turned it into a full

953
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:16,880
campaign as opposed to just a little

954
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,559
module like we're level 13 now it's

955
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,519
crazy the stuff we've done and it's a

956
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:23,919
one through five adventure module but so

957
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:25,679
my character i have a gnome fighter i'm

958
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,039
a battle master

959
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:30,159
and

960
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:31,120
i'm like the lawful one i started kind

961
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:33,760
of like

962
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,360
chaotic good and then kind of he ended

963
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,679
up being like lawful good for a while

964
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,919
and now he's kind of lawful neutral

965
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:42,240
while the rest of my party is chaos

966
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:44,320
incarnate

967
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,600
now how do and that's like well how do

968
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,200
you just not go along with all their

969
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,320
shenanigans

970
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:53,440
my dm has given me azure edge which is a

971
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:56,720
legendary item that is a sentient weapon

972
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,080
but it only works for lawful individuals

973
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360
who want to protect the city of

974
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,200
waterdeep

975
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,320
so like i am constantly being like i

976
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,880
don't want to lose my axe i don't want

977
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,480
to lose my axe i got to be consistent in

978
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,760
how i'm playing this guy

979
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,399
that's very important motivation

980
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,399
actually yeah so like there's a bit of

981
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:14,159
like you know carrot and stick with that

982
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:16,720
but if you're not gonna use like the

983
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,320
rewards section or the like you know

984
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:20,399
here's the linchpin of your character

985
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,760
being effective in combat

986
00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:22,879
kind of idea

987
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,599
i don't think

988
00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:27,520
that if a player experiments with their

989
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,839
character or wants to try going in a

990
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,760
different way that's being

991
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:33,520
untrue to the character

992
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,359
because these characters are supposed to

993
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,280
be like real people right and so people

994
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:39,520
change and grow i mean

995
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,440
i certainly had people who i did not

996
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,040
like in high school who i've met 20

997
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,359
years after the fact and it's now like

998
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,440
oh you're not a dick anymore okay well

999
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:48,399
done you know so

1000
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,200
i think

1001
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:52,720
it's okay to let a character expand as

1002
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,679
long as they are faithful to where

1003
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:58,320
they've been if that makes sense yeah

1004
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,839
it can be difficult and and growth is

1005
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,599
definitely important i think if your

1006
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:02,720
character never grows

1007
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,640
then

1008
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,320
maybe you're not having

1009
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,000
maybe it's not as fulfilling for you you

1010
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,000
know that can be a variety of things you

1011
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,280
could start with like for instance we've

1012
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,599
got a

1013
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,079
goblin in the party and part of their

1014
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:19,040
characters that they're quite selfish

1015
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:21,200
and they've been trying to slowly learn

1016
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,320
how to let go of some of that there's

1017
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,960
always going to be part of them that's

1018
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,599
like you know inherently selfish

1019
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,040
um i've learned you know

1020
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,760
my character is

1021
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,119
has become the sort of conscious of the

1022
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,000
party

1023
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:37,359
which sometimes you know annoys the

1024
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,560
other party members who are a little

1025
00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:40,160
more

1026
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,520
uh

1027
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,040
oh what's the word i'm trying to be

1028
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,040
polite we'll just say spontaneous um

1029
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,599
and

1030
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,839
very political answer

1031
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,440
i love them all dearly uh and i play a

1032
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:55,680
cleric so i mean like you know spoot

1033
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,240
wouldn't be terribly abrasive in

1034
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,400
describing them um part of that is you

1035
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:02,240
know trying to set what those rules are

1036
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,400
for yourself at the beginning

1037
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:06,079
and i think sometimes

1038
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,440
it's just good to remind yourself i

1039
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,800
think you know i have definitely had

1040
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,960
moments where i've gone ooh i've like

1041
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,040
looked back and reflected on like okay

1042
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,480
am i really making choices that i don't

1043
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,720
think you have to be perfect obviously

1044
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,800
we're all human people playing

1045
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,119
far more imperfect characters and

1046
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,560
versions of ourselves but also i think

1047
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:27,119
finding what are those

1048
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,520
things you truly want to

1049
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,560
like stick to as a character or stand up

1050
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,000
for

1051
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,160
or whatever i mean i remember a

1052
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,240
particular moment where

1053
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,880
my character had

1054
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,400
was given a choice uh basically to like

1055
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,400
back down and live

1056
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,520
or stand and fight and probably be

1057
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,960
outnumbered and died but in the moment

1058
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,320
you know other people's safety was on

1059
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,920
the line so

1060
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,800
and and i actually kind of learned in

1061
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,400
that episode in that session that

1062
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,440
that was a pretty big deal to my

1063
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,280
character i decided no even if it

1064
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,359
meant that i could die that day i was

1065
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,720
gonna stand up for

1066
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:04,320
you know the thing i thought was right

1067
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,240
and i even told you know party members

1068
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,680
like hey if you need to leave

1069
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,280
do what you think is best but this is

1070
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,040
the decision i made

1071
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,640
and and then so i think moving forward

1072
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,240
for me it's like sticking to those

1073
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,920
moments and finding those

1074
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:17,280
strengths of my

1075
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,359
character that i'm like now this is a

1076
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,200
part of my identity i'm gonna try to

1077
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:22,800
shape my future

1078
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,160
this you know decisions based off of

1079
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,079
these traits

1080
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,920
yeah and i think as a dm the important

1081
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:29,520
thing is to provide those moments for

1082
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,200
the players right

1083
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,440
because you want to give them those

1084
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,119
moral quandaries so

1085
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,280
one you want to see how it plays out but

1086
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:39,040
two you want them to get a sense of who

1087
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,200
they're playing

1088
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,400
yeah yeah in that instance that matt is

1089
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,560
referencing

1090
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,240
they made it to the big boss and he was

1091
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,760
expecting them he knew they were there

1092
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,200
he knew they'd been coming after him for

1093
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,880
a while continuity and play right there

1094
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,920
and he had a bunch of people around and

1095
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,359
he was like

1096
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,520
look i've been waiting for you all you

1097
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:00,960
can join up with me and we can all get

1098
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,400
along or you can die

1099
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,680
and like there were party members who

1100
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,839
were like

1101
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,359
maybe we maybe we should join up there

1102
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:10,079
was one in particular who was really

1103
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:10,960
thinking about it because he knew

1104
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,400
that

1105
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,839
this big bad

1106
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,839
had his

1107
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:19,119
1 000 year lost husband locked away

1108
00:38:16,839 --> 00:38:21,440
somewhere so

1109
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:22,960
that's a big reason to like consider it

1110
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,119
because you want to save your husband

1111
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,960
but you also have your friends here

1112
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,320
and so they try to like finagle with it

1113
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,200
like can some of us leave and he was

1114
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,359
like

1115
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,760
any one of you can leave but the first

1116
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:35,040
order those who stay will get will be to

1117
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,400
kill you

1118
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,000
that's pretty tough i'm not gonna lie

1119
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,320
there's some like uh

1120
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,560
some big moments some really like heavy

1121
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,520
moments that can come yeah it was a dark

1122
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,960
moment

1123
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,640
yeah yeah yeah but i think that's what

1124
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,240
makes it

1125
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,240
playing it interesting

1126
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,680
and memorable right this is like jared

1127
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,680
said discovering

1128
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,079
those things about yourself and perhaps

1129
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,760
this is another tangent in a way but i i

1130
00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:00,400
mean i do think it lends itself to as

1131
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,400
the dm is sort of helping to

1132
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,240
to shape the world around you based on

1133
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,320
your decisions you're also learning what

1134
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:09,040
what anchors your characters and how

1135
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,560
that affects your play i say i say

1136
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,920
you say tangent i say it's a perfect

1137
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,640
marriage with what we were talking about

1138
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,200
earlier on in that delicate dance

1139
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,280
between the dm world building and

1140
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,560
keeping things consistent but also

1141
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,960
tying in

1142
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,079
you know backstory elements to provide

1143
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680
these

1144
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,359
moments of

1145
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,680
you know what would my character do in

1146
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:30,720
this situation in a way that a makes

1147
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,599
sense and b

1148
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:35,200
can show how much they've grown and um

1149
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,040
i think that's that's a lot of the

1150
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,359
difficulty of longer form medium longer

1151
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,040
form campaigns that dm's don't get a

1152
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:44,079
whole lot of advice on but certainly not

1153
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,800
from the books is are those little like

1154
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:49,599
how can i provide a very

1155
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,880
fulfilling and but logical and

1156
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:53,599
consistent

1157
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,520
encounter or decision or something you

1158
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:57,359
know something to do

1159
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,200
in a way that is you know still makes

1160
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:01,680
sense in the world and it's fun to play

1161
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,880
and is balanced correctly in terms of

1162
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,160
difficulty and all that kind of stuff

1163
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,240
that that is i think where the

1164
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,920
difficulty lies and if i was to put a

1165
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:10,560
point on it that's probably where i get

1166
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,400
a lot of enjoyment myself when i can see

1167
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,200
the wood for the trees of like oh how

1168
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,960
much cr should this monster be

1169
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,200
which takes up way more like mental

1170
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,200
arithmetic than i than i'd anticipated

1171
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,119
but yeah these are the ideas that keep

1172
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,480
us up at night and come to us in the

1173
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,400
shower

1174
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,480
well like as as you guys are just

1175
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,319
talking i was thinking

1176
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,520
man i really gotta do i really gotta

1177
00:40:30,319 --> 00:40:33,440
pull my finger out because i got a

1178
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,359
couple of guys in my campaign that i

1179
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,800
probably overdue

1180
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:39,680
some of these

1181
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,440
elements and i was going to say like

1182
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,079
i think as you said matt like it takes a

1183
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:47,520
few sessions some more than others to

1184
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,839
embed that personality embed those

1185
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,280
his you know here's the continuity of my

1186
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:53,680
character here's what they would do you

1187
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,680
know in any given inputs here's what the

1188
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,359
output would be you know like

1189
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,680
you change that variable i would respond

1190
00:40:57,359 --> 00:41:00,560
in this manner to get that in first and

1191
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,319
i think

1192
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,400
the motivation is a good way to do that

1193
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:06,480
so be a you've got to look after this

1194
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,079
weapon be it a you've got a partner and

1195
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,760
kids to feed at home

1196
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:11,839
i think that's a great place to start

1197
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,280
i've just been thinking like so for my

1198
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:15,200
the wolford druid who i mentioned who

1199
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,040
has amnesia

1200
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,440
new player blank slate in terms of

1201
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,359
character and player

1202
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,839
and their in their approach to the game

1203
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:25,359
so i have gone like when we hit to their

1204
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:27,680
backstory arc

1205
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:29,760
i pretty much free reign to describe

1206
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,359
their backstory and also what's any

1207
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,720
implications that may or may not happen

1208
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:34,240
when they get there there's needless to

1209
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,680
say there's going to be some revelations

1210
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,800
and then some huge decisions off the

1211
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,359
back of it that's really going to be

1212
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,720
like right you've had 80 sessions to

1213
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:42,480
decide who you are and who this

1214
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,400
character is put your money where your

1215
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,599
mouth is and make it make a few

1216
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,760
decisions

1217
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:50,480
yeah that's a good point i love it

1218
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,040
and that's both a great curse and a

1219
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,319
great responsibility and a blessing

1220
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,640
given to a

1221
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:58,960
a dm or a gm

1222
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,520
because that's either a character or

1223
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,839
player that really trusts you to like

1224
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,119
run with it and not screw them over

1225
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:08,160
or

1226
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:10,319
it's someone who doesn't know any better

1227
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,280
true and i i would like to say though in

1228
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:15,040
defensive dm's um it's hard enough

1229
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,960
figuring out a single character and what

1230
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,880
your motivations are and

1231
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,880
and uh how you're going to act i i can't

1232
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,800
imagine trying to to shape all of this

1233
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,520
around all of these different characters

1234
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,280
some with different um yeah with better

1235
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,640
morals than others you know for like a

1236
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,079
better time

1237
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,000
yeah it's hard to give everybody a

1238
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,119
chance to shine but i think it's really

1239
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,280
important

1240
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:37,440
to like let the game play out as it's

1241
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,400
going to while giving everybody a chance

1242
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,800
to

1243
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,280
have fun and actualize their character

1244
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,040
mm-hmm absolutely oh

1245
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,440
actualization we're getting on to some

1246
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,000
psychological like maslow's hierarchy of

1247
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,599
needs right now like

1248
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,000
you know it's funny you mentioned that

1249
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:55,359
there's a whole developmental psychology

1250
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,160
thing about continuity versus

1251
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:59,359
discontinuity oh okay well we'll we

1252
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,040
gotta do another we gotta do another

1253
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:03,040
episode on discontinuity then because

1254
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,960
that's way too much

1255
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,000
at like 45 minutes in that's way too

1256
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,640
much today

1257
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,079
yes absolutely for real

1258
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,560
i know i was wondering how we were doing

1259
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,920
in time i i felt that uh i was like oh i

1260
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,040
haven't even hit some of these points

1261
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,599
we've gone so far but it's good

1262
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,720
yeah so to bring us back into csl i just

1263
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:25,440
wanted to say on that so so as i said

1264
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:27,359
that that particular player has a very

1265
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,880
strong theme or at least now he does

1266
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:30,319
when he started it was just i wanted to

1267
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,000
look like this but now he has actually

1268
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:35,119
built quite a character around him in

1269
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,200
terms of like abstaining from violence

1270
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:39,119
you know and like he's really lent into

1271
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,720
the druidic side of things of like we

1272
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,560
shouldn't kill the creatures and the

1273
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:45,440
beasts if we if we can because that's

1274
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,359
just mindless you know unnecessary death

1275
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,319
which which i love so the stuff i have

1276
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:51,839
prepared not to be too spoilery but is

1277
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:53,920
questions

1278
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:55,680
his history and where he was built and

1279
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,920
and came from and as i mentioned it was

1280
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,560
it was maybe inorganic and the

1281
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,480
ramifications of like am i

1282
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,280
who i think i am nowadays or god you

1283
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,280
know

1284
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,960
are you who you are when you're born

1285
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,680
that kind of that those kind of

1286
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,520
questions and then if i've got

1287
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,359
the power to change

1288
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,960
some things should i you know should i

1289
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:17,040
take that power or should i not and uh

1290
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,040
yeah so that that should be

1291
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,760
very good and i must say i'm quite proud

1292
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,359
of

1293
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,440
i think you know as you said

1294
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:25,520
that it's it's a blessing and a curse

1295
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,440
and i rested on my laurels of having

1296
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,480
like a very low maintenance player and

1297
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680
being like right i don't have to worry

1298
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,280
about that player because there's no

1299
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,200
backstory i have to worry about and i

1300
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,280
can just so you know i spent like 20

1301
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,720
sessions doing nothing so now it's about

1302
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,119
time there should be

1303
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:42,160
some day after that yeah we're about

1304
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:44,800
we're about 61 sessions in tomorrow

1305
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,359
night's actually our 61st session

1306
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,640
and we have only just barely gotten a

1307
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:51,920
glimpse of uh of defects backstory

1308
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,960
mm-hmm so

1309
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,520
that's the

1310
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,319
um the warforged with amnesia sir right

1311
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,280
yeah

1312
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,880
we're gonna we're gonna have to get

1313
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,400
these two players to like

1314
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,119
meet up they should be like a like a

1315
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,359
social group for

1316
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,760
and amnesia

1317
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:07,119
funny how similar they are beyond like

1318
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,680
oh they're both warforged they both have

1319
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:11,520
amnesia the way you and i as dms have

1320
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,440
kind of played with that like

1321
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,040
who you are are you who you're born with

1322
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,760
or who you become or who you choose to

1323
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,839
be

1324
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,760
those are definitely themes that it

1325
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:21,119
sounds like you've incorporated and i've

1326
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,079
definitely put them into what i'm doing

1327
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,280
with my warforged barbarian that i'm

1328
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,280
running for him

1329
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,680
which i'm very excited to see play out

1330
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,599
because he's already questioned himself

1331
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,079
so many times and he's a barbarian that

1332
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:36,240
has taken up poetry and has a fondness

1333
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:38,240
for ducks you know like he's he's

1334
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,359
exploring the sort of like very

1335
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:42,880
non-barbaric sides of himself already

1336
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:44,240
but that you know maybe there's a little

1337
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,920
like crossover speaking of continuity

1338
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,680
maybe there's a multiverse timeline

1339
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,079
where they they uh meet each other

1340
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,560
somewhere oh yeah i'll have a one-off

1341
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:55,119
session

1342
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:58,000
[Laughter]

1343
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:59,680
we've talked a lot so far about that we

1344
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,480
know just now we were talking about the

1345
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,680
player character continuity and let's

1346
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,079
flip it on its head for a bit and we're

1347
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,000
going to return to the dm side of things

1348
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,720
i know we've talked at length about kind

1349
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,280
of

1350
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,319
keeping a consistent world and you know

1351
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,240
the

1352
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,119
wheels of industry keep turning if the

1353
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,480
players

1354
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,240
have a holiday for two you know player

1355
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,720
coaches have a holiday for two weeks

1356
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:22,000
stuff stuff's happened in that time i

1357
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,400
wanted to

1358
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:28,000
go at it from a more

1359
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:30,079
dm's point of view and things like

1360
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,680
continuity errors so the classic one in

1361
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,640
recent memory is you know isn't there

1362
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,160
that um there's a starbucks coffee cup

1363
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,520
in the game of thrones episode or

1364
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,839
something which typically isn't really a

1365
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,640
continuity error but it is the one that

1366
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:44,560
just makes my mind uh break down that

1367
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,119
train of thought so my question i guess

1368
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,200
is more to jared here around like

1369
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:52,000
how do you deal with

1370
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,560
remembering npc names voices and

1371
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,040
mannerisms and and keeping track of

1372
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,960
other plot points to avoid those kind of

1373
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,560
continuity areas to avoid those times

1374
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,560
when the players go back to a city and

1375
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,319
go hang on

1376
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,520
wasn't that like an elf last time we

1377
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:08,160
spoke to that person and then you're

1378
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,599
just like uh [ __ ] uh

1379
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,079
yeah no

1380
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,599
you remembered wrong like

1381
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,520
how do you deal with that and try and

1382
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:18,400
try and mitigate those things

1383
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,400
that's when you use the keen mind feat

1384
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,559
right that's when i turn it on i'm

1385
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,440
actually a 14th level wizard that is in

1386
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:28,000
the wrong dimension

1387
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,680
whoops wrong timeline huh no uh actually

1388
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,240
it's a good question and believe it or

1389
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:35,680
not it's a pretty simple answer

1390
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:38,559
any town or anything big that they go to

1391
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,640
i have a list of like the important npcs

1392
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:43,440
they're gonna meet and i include

1393
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,280
what is their heritage what do they look

1394
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,440
like and then like a note or two about

1395
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,319
what they may sound like i am not

1396
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,880
a voice actor by any means i'm not matt

1397
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:55,119
mercer i'm not brendan lee mulligan

1398
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,920
i'm not i'm not any of them

1399
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,680
so

1400
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,910
i have to take notes like

1401
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,599
sounds like donald duck or

1402
00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:03,119
[Laughter]

1403
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,359
or sounds like

1404
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:07,839
that guy from new jersey or whatever the

1405
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:10,240
note is usually they're oddly scottish i

1406
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:11,920
think that's been the only like

1407
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:15,520
finding the accent now i'm just teasing

1408
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:18,319
i mean yeah uh we just met a awakened

1409
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,480
raccoon who had a jersey accent

1410
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:21,760
amazing a new jersey accent uh in the

1411
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,720
last session

1412
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,720
and

1413
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:27,920
i took down those notes like this

1414
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:29,359
raccoon has a jersey accent and one of

1415
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,880
the players was like is this guy from

1416
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:33,280
jersey and i'm like and so i'm like nope

1417
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,119
that's his name now

1418
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,160
so he's jersey the talking raccoon

1419
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,640
amazing

1420
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,720
so like any kind of spontaneous

1421
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,040
npcs i take notes on like real quick

1422
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:45,839
like uh this guy described him that way

1423
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,040
but the plan the planned ones i can do a

1424
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:48,720
little bit more in depth and kind of

1425
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,599
ready myself for

1426
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,839
but ultimately the improvised ones are

1427
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:56,000
the ones the players always go back to i

1428
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:57,760
was gonna say that yep it's important

1429
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,559
that you do take notes because i'm sure

1430
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,720
on almost every occasion possible we

1431
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,119
return frequently to some just like in

1432
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:07,680
the moment character he made yeah i have

1433
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:09,359
gotten really good at having a hand i'm

1434
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,800
not watching write down notes in a

1435
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:12,319
chicken scratch i have learned to

1436
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,839
decipher

1437
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:16,079
so

1438
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:18,400
but but it definitely can be hard and

1439
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:21,119
time-consuming especially if it's a lot

1440
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,720
of rapid-fire quick little npcs or

1441
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,079
little vignettes

1442
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,079
and sometimes

1443
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,680
with newly forged in particular because

1444
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:30,000
we stream it

1445
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,559
i record all the episodes are recorded

1446
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,880
they're up on youtube if i forget

1447
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,640
something i can go back and look at it

1448
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,480
but i don't have that luxury in my home

1449
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,520
game

1450
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,839
so

1451
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,040
i learned to take notes about various

1452
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:46,160
npcs or places that look a certain way

1453
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,760
or whatever

1454
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,319
fairly early on when i started dming

1455
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,079
because when i first started dming i was

1456
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:54,480
so bad

1457
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,640
like i cannot tell you how horrible i

1458
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,640
was i killed like all six players in the

1459
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,880
first game that i ever dm'd it was

1460
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,000
horrible

1461
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440
you would think though speaking of

1462
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,760
taking notes you would think that us as

1463
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,720
party members could also just go back

1464
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,720
and watch

1465
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,240
you know and be like oh that's what that

1466
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,839
where we put that item

1467
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:13,839
no we're pretty bad about that and it

1468
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:15,839
takes jared sometimes to be like if you

1469
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:17,520
look in your inventory you would see

1470
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:19,760
that you've got a note about this

1471
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,760
particularly that makes me feel better

1472
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,119
because i've also had to do that and it

1473
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,839
might make you feel better that my

1474
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:27,839
players are just as just the same a

1475
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:29,359
funny example recently is um

1476
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:30,400
when we were playing in person many

1477
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:33,280
years ago

1478
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,520
i printed out a bunch of items and you

1479
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,960
know cut them to size they had little

1480
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,599
almost like a

1481
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,280
study card of a potion and whatnot oh

1482
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,960
yeah yeah they never got hoarding

1483
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,359
mentality they never got around to using

1484
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,760
it uh you know we

1485
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:49,680
migrated to remote online everybody's

1486
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,960
just using their dnd beyond and adding

1487
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,880
everything to that

1488
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,200
until i got a photo sent through from

1489
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,760
one of our players and it's he said oh

1490
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,359
this fell out of my notebook today can i

1491
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,720
still use it and i was like man if you

1492
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:03,200
haven't if you haven't drunk it in game

1493
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:05,040
of course you can still use it

1494
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,720
that's literally just been like rotting

1495
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,000
away in his notebook this little tiny

1496
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,079
sheet of paper that probably hasn't been

1497
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,440
opened for years and he's like oh i've

1498
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,800
got this really useful potion that would

1499
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,119
have come in handy a couple of times

1500
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,480
well yep but i guess you can still use

1501
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,079
it now

1502
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:22,240
you have to roll dice against the

1503
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:23,839
potency after so many years

1504
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,839
i do the same thing in my in my

1505
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:27,040
in-person games i print out little cards

1506
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:30,079
and i give them to players when they

1507
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,280
find things i have a little tiny like i

1508
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:33,119
don't know it was some box that

1509
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,480
something was shipped in i kind of

1510
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,960
retrofitted it to make it look like a

1511
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,319
little treasure chest so if they defeat

1512
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,319
the bad guy and get the treasure hoard i

1513
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:42,319
put little slips of paper of like any

1514
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:43,200
magic items or special potions in there

1515
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:45,040
and

1516
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,319
there's usually like chocolate coins or

1517
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,079
whatever

1518
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:50,319
so it's just you know a fun little

1519
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:52,800
interactive bit that you can do in a

1520
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:55,440
home game where you're in person that

1521
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,680
you can't do online unfortunately

1522
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,240
ah back in my day we played d and d

1523
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,359
together face to face

1524
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:03,599
i i

1525
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:04,559
i do miss it i do miss it if only for

1526
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,319
that

1527
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:08,079
you know one reason being to have these

1528
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:10,240
little props and things and bits and

1529
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:12,240
bobs around in there

1530
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:14,240
again one final funny act go on this

1531
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:16,960
which i know is completely off topic but

1532
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,800
um i i remember i wanted the players to

1533
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,240
do a puzzle and i wanted them to do it

1534
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,280
in the real world and i remember rushing

1535
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:25,119
around my like local supermarket and

1536
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,160
ended up buying like a rubik's cube for

1537
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,160
like

1538
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,319
18 pounds because they're hideously

1539
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,680
expensive never end up using it i don't

1540
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:34,400
know how to play with it so it just sits

1541
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,720
on my bookshelf like completely here

1542
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,480
not yet amazing yeah i have a couple of

1543
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,960
wooden puzzles and rubik's cubes that i

1544
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,599
have acquired over the years for

1545
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,960
just in case i need to throw them at a

1546
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:49,920
puzzle or i'm like uh here's the puzzle

1547
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,839
uh solve for green

1548
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,319
yeah it's pretty fun someday i will get

1549
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:56,720
like one of those big uh

1550
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:58,480
sand timers hourglasses and then i will

1551
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,720
really scare them because i'm like clock

1552
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,880
sticking oh i know he's already pretty

1553
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:04,640
good about that though verbally

1554
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,720
hey y'all can sit around and discuss the

1555
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,440
uh finer points of who's going to take

1556
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:11,730
first watch but uh the night is uh still

1557
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,760
going yes it's just drawing in

1558
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:15,040
[Laughter]

1559
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,280
yeah i i

1560
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,160
need to take more notes it's basically

1561
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,440
my

1562
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,119
thing um i like i i so many times

1563
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,520
they've gone and spoken to an npc and

1564
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:27,200
i've gone oh man did i have they spoken

1565
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,800
to this one before did they have a voice

1566
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,640
is it just going to be my generic npc

1567
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,160
voice probably

1568
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,760
do they notice

1569
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:38,079
nine times out of ten no uh good

1570
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,000
i know yeah exactly mostly not

1571
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,440
i will say from a player's perspective

1572
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,040
though those moments are fun i mean

1573
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,640
those are like the human moments of like

1574
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,040
oh whoops this guy sounded like this

1575
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,280
last time yeah well and there are times

1576
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,040
when you can do a voice one day but like

1577
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,200
you can't do it again the next day and

1578
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,640
like that's just you know yeah i mean

1579
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,800
hopefully you're at a table or you know

1580
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,319
virtually at a table with friends or you

1581
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,559
know at least people that friendly

1582
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:02,960
ribbing will occur of course but um to

1583
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:05,359
take any pressure off of potential dms

1584
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,200
out there um despite what you may hear

1585
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:08,640
we're not all sitting around expecting

1586
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,839
matt mercer's

1587
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,960
to dmr games like it's okay

1588
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:15,040
you know we're just going to have fun

1589
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,680
regardless indeed yeah

1590
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,720
yeah well um is there anything i meant

1591
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,000
you said you had a bunch of stuff that

1592
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,599
we have we haven't covered yet so is

1593
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,079
there any any any of that stuff you'd

1594
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:25,920
like to chat about oh gosh no it would

1595
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:28,240
take it was just you know i had a couple

1596
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,160
of fun questions here about multiversing

1597
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,760
and things that are not really related

1598
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,680
just if i if i run out of things to talk

1599
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,599
about they were on that list of like

1600
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,280
um i think we did well i i would just

1601
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:40,720
like i'll give one more little plug here

1602
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,079
to to dms in general and um to jared in

1603
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,280
particular it's been a pleasure playing

1604
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,680
with him i've noticed that he really

1605
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,760
loves the world building

1606
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,440
and um you know he's told me stories

1607
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,400
about sort of like

1608
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:55,119
connecting things with characters that

1609
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,040
might occur in the same world across

1610
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,200
different campaigns and you know stuff

1611
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,359
like that so i think really the sky is

1612
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,880
the limit if you're someone that enjoys

1613
00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:06,000
that sort of

1614
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,599
creativity i mean you know go nuts yeah

1615
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,599
you you can't say you've got weird fun

1616
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:11,200
questions and then not asking those

1617
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,160
questions that's not no

1618
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,680
no

1619
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,440
i noticed we were out of time so i was

1620
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,400
like i better do my final plug and just

1621
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,400
uh

1622
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,000
zip it right now now come on come on one

1623
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,839
give me your best give me hit me with

1624
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,440
your best shot do it do it do it do it

1625
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:25,200
do it oh i don't know i don't even know

1626
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,240
if it's that weird now but i was curious

1627
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:30,079
like is have you ever considered um you

1628
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:32,400
know like the possibility of maybe

1629
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:34,160
multiple timelines or the idea of a

1630
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,359
multiverse

1631
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,200
you know what does that look like do you

1632
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:39,839
get a chance to like have your

1633
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,680
characters play a one-off campaign with

1634
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:43,599
similar but different characters you

1635
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,680
know and have the

1636
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:48,000
ability to change things entirely

1637
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:51,440
because it's sort of like this timeline

1638
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,920
versus you know yeah so my my guys are

1639
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,240
very you know i'm fully committed now

1640
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,599
into having this one big existing

1641
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,280
campaign

1642
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,559
they with the with the warforged

1643
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,079
backstory because he was you know

1644
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:04,400
deactivated effects thousands years

1645
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:07,680
there is going to be an element of uh

1646
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,520
time travel if i dare say uh so less

1647
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,720
branching timelines more when they go

1648
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,319
back to the future

1649
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:14,960
god knows god knows what's gonna wait

1650
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:17,839
for them um so that that's more there

1651
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,319
however one of my previous guests

1652
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:22,319
he did say he operates in kind of like a

1653
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:24,880
shared so instead of instead of

1654
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:26,880
you know a single dm making the world he

1655
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,720
and a bunch of dms have made

1656
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:32,000
like continents

1657
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:34,400
on on said world and

1658
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,960
obviously often the stories don't

1659
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,799
often overlap but you know grand events

1660
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,119
and you know cataclysmic events can be

1661
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:42,720
seen and felt you know they they'll get

1662
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:45,280
together and say oh yeah the you know

1663
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:46,880
the mountain of mcguffin exploded and

1664
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,799
there's now ash in the sky and stuff and

1665
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,119
then the next the next time the dms go

1666
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:52,559
back they'll say oh you see all this ash

1667
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,640
cloud over there you know far over the

1668
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:56,400
sea over over the next island and stuff

1669
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,160
so that's that's how one way they do it

1670
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,599
and it's quite a nice kind of soft

1671
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,200
multi-universe i would say because

1672
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:02,720
they're not like they can't like

1673
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,240
literally tomorrow just teleport over

1674
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,520
and ruin that other person's game but

1675
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,200
they're right there there are little

1676
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,040
nods and little touches and little stuff

1677
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,480
that are there

1678
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,359
that suggest that you're part of a

1679
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,119
bigger a bigger thing those are fun i

1680
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:17,119
haven't i haven't seen anything quite

1681
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:19,280
that ambitious yet but i do know a dm

1682
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:20,720
who is uh doing a pathfinder game that

1683
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,960
had two

1684
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,200
separate games going for a while

1685
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,599
in neighboring cities with the intention

1686
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,359
of bringing those two parties together

1687
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:31,359
for a joint uh

1688
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:33,040
you know campaign of sorts

1689
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:35,520
which seemed like a nightmare

1690
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,480
logistically for um tying everything up

1691
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,040
but

1692
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,280
the ambition was nice

1693
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:44,720
and i mean matt you know

1694
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,359
our ranger aytus is full of time travel

1695
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:50,480
shenanigans i know i i'm

1696
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:52,000
and and also uh

1697
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,559
you know he has a thing for portals so

1698
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,440
i'm sure there are some

1699
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,040
time

1700
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,599
traveling things in our future much to

1701
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,760
the chagrin of uh my cleric

1702
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,960
who is very happy in his current realm

1703
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,640
yeah he is playing a uh uh far wanderer

1704
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,359
i think is the sun oh yes

1705
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,520
so

1706
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:12,079
he's got a pen shot for the

1707
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,839
feywild and portals in general he has a

1708
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:15,839
sword that can open a portal to the

1709
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:17,839
ethereal plane

1710
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:20,559
so he's got some

1711
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:23,040
some stuff and uh he was frozen in time

1712
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:24,319
for a thousand years

1713
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,200
and if you think that's not going to

1714
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:28,400
come up again it will

1715
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,400
i know

1716
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,880
but one thing i've always kind of wanted

1717
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,040
to do is to have the players meet

1718
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,720
doppelgangers of themselves

1719
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,240
in any game this isn't specific to a

1720
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,000
particular campaign

1721
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:43,040
but to meet doppelgangers who come from

1722
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,119
like the dark timeline oh and they're

1723
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,880
like not necessarily like evil mirrors

1724
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:48,559
but like close enough to them that it's

1725
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,200
almost scary have you ever seen

1726
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:52,960
community the show you've yes the

1727
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,799
darkest timeline with the all the dark

1728
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,720
characters from there yes it's all

1729
00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:58,799
that's what i think you know yeah very

1730
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,160
similar kind of thing yeah i just think

1731
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:02,079
like that would be fun because it would

1732
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,599
really like screw with people i think we

1733
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,040
have already joked about that in our

1734
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:07,040
campaign haven't we that like if my

1735
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,640
character dies then he's coming back as

1736
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,920
a death cleric turtle or something you

1737
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,040
know yeah

1738
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,760
so his

1739
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,599
i

1740
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,920
i did almost exactly that it wasn't it

1741
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:18,240
wasn't like the the alternative universe

1742
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,839
equivalence but what i did was have a

1743
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,000
party

1744
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:24,640
maybe or maybe not on the same

1745
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,040
wider mission as my players and

1746
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,079
i'd shuffled up all the racing class

1747
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,920
combos

1748
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:31,760
so all the all the races i know the

1749
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,839
classes were present but i'd basically

1750
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,400
like ciphered i'd shifted them one down

1751
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:38,000
one and then and yeah

1752
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,440
this is this is so stupid i went one

1753
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,839
step further and

1754
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,680
butchered and crowbarred uh anagram

1755
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:45,839
names so i took all the actual character

1756
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,400
names and made anagrams out of them some

1757
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:51,040
some which were very not names because

1758
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,240
of how i want to go just a string of

1759
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,680
continents

1760
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,920
exactly yeah yeah yeah

1761
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,520
that that has never ceased to peak their

1762
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,760
interest they're always like yeah but

1763
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,760
what what why were they kind of like us

1764
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,839
but not like us and where are they going

1765
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,839
what are they doing except except one

1766
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:07,440
combination which i kept the same

1767
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:09,200
because i wanted so the human warlock

1768
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,440
was the human warlock all the rest were

1769
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,720
shuffled up so that was that was my

1770
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,400
point to be like

1771
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,839
he is the you know that that player

1772
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,440
character is the focal point of this

1773
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:20,000
cycle

1774
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:22,240
yeah that was interesting i had i had

1775
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,079
intended it to be um

1776
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,440
literally ships passing in the night and

1777
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,720
they were going downstream and the other

1778
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,760
characters were going upstream and i

1779
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,119
just wanted them to do i don't know if

1780
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,599
you've ever seen the british film shawn

1781
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:33,359
or the dead where they uh yes that's the

1782
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:34,319
two groups passed down that alleyway and

1783
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:36,640
there's like

1784
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:38,960
i wanted it to be like that except my

1785
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:41,200
players like no stop the ship we're

1786
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,799
going after that ship and i was like oh

1787
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,480
god i'm gonna have to we're boarding

1788
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:49,119
yeah and i i managed to kind of placate

1789
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,400
them enough but it was it was a man it

1790
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:52,000
was a [ __ ] show actually because we had

1791
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,920
like two people in the water swimming we

1792
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,760
had two people flying one had gone to

1793
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,280
the docks one had stayed on the ship and

1794
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,280
i was like oh god this is just meant to

1795
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,040
be 30 seconds and it's now like

1796
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,480
four hours of trying to get the six of

1797
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,640
you back onto this bloody ship to go

1798
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,880
back to port but every easter egg

1799
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,640
becomes a buffet i tell you

1800
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,280
oh gosh yes i can imagine yeah as

1801
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:13,359
someone who yeah only as a player i

1802
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,440
uh i am likely to follow that red

1803
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:18,400
herring

1804
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:20,160
well you know you do

1805
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,440
yeah i definitely do and then i think

1806
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,559
it's like really this must be really

1807
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,440
important

1808
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,880
um

1809
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,720
now we haven't done anything quite that

1810
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:29,920
wild that we did have a very short-lived

1811
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,640
sort of what if uh campaign series where

1812
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,079
we

1813
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,160
this was a very cool concept i think

1814
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,680
jared developed this actually um maybe

1815
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,680
you and another player

1816
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,520
where there was a collection of players

1817
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,440
uh and then they would we would do a

1818
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,799
series of like one shots

1819
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,720
and we would sort of rotate who played

1820
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:45,680
who so like one week maybe i play the

1821
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,119
fighter

1822
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,720
the next week perhaps i play the

1823
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:54,000
sorcerer et cetera and you know win or

1824
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:56,559
lose um we sort of reset

1825
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,079
you know after so so many sessions um

1826
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,200
because there were a couple like tpks

1827
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:00,640
that we were like alright well that was

1828
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,839
an alternate timeline that no longer

1829
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,920
exists

1830
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:05,920
yeah it was fun just as an experiment to

1831
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,520
allow players to maybe try a class they

1832
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,920
hadn't tried before

1833
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,200
or a different characterization of

1834
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,839
something they liked that someone else

1835
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:16,319
had done and then explore upon that

1836
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:18,839
it was it was a fun little exercise i do

1837
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:21,119
kind of miss it but it kind of like

1838
01:02:18,839 --> 01:02:23,039
died yeah hard to keep going like so

1839
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:25,520
many things do okay the candle that

1840
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:27,200
burns twice as bright as they say yes

1841
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,359
yes exactly

1842
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,480
what about you jared any any final final

1843
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:32,240
thoughts

1844
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,480
there is one that i did want to touch

1845
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,319
upon and that's the continuity in

1846
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,119
actually playing the game

1847
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:42,400
like the act of playing the game

1848
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:45,039
the same people meeting up with friends

1849
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:48,720
a lot of people myself included look to

1850
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:51,599
these tabletop rpg meetups and plays as

1851
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,440
a way to relax or de-stress or

1852
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:55,039
to help or deal with their mental health

1853
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,200
in some way

1854
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:58,480
and if you miss that

1855
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:02,000
it can be

1856
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:03,039
disruptive and you can really

1857
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,280
feel

1858
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:08,319
like something's wrong

1859
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,720
like we had to miss like two weeks of

1860
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:12,799
the game that i'm a player in and all of

1861
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,799
us felt like we were really

1862
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:17,200
off kilter without it

1863
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:19,119
so that continuity of playing these

1864
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,039
games in whatever schedule it is whether

1865
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,880
it's weekly or monthly or

1866
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,720
twice a year however it works out for

1867
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,720
you in your group

1868
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,799
i think it matters

1869
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,680
to us as players to us as dungeon

1870
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:34,319
masters or game masters

1871
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,640
and i think having those connections

1872
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:38,799
that we make at the table

1873
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,319
and carrying them forward really helps

1874
01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:42,880
us in a lot of ways and sometimes you

1875
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:44,480
know people have to step back or

1876
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,799
things don't work out or the group is

1877
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,079
not working out for you and you can kind

1878
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:49,599
of move on and find a new group or

1879
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:51,599
whatever happens

1880
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:54,160
but when you find that

1881
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:56,839
group that works well for you

1882
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:59,839
i think it just helps you as a person

1883
01:03:56,839 --> 01:04:00,799
to be happier with yourself and with

1884
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:03,119
your

1885
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:05,280
with your gameplay sure but just with

1886
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:09,200
your own mental well-being by

1887
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:11,760
experimenting in a safe world if any of

1888
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:14,400
that makes sense no it does it's a

1889
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,760
pretty unique experience i think um i

1890
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,280
mean there are other

1891
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,680
outlets for playing

1892
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,599
in a communal setting be it online or

1893
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,359
yeah you know sports or whatever but i

1894
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,599
think this is a pretty unique experience

1895
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:27,119
for a lot of people to have that

1896
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:28,640
again yeah continuity that sort of

1897
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:30,720
consistency

1898
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,880
with a group of trusted like-minded

1899
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:35,119
individuals to just have some fun yeah

1900
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,280
and they've done research on this

1901
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:39,440
when you play a role-playing game like

1902
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,920
dungeons and dragons or pathfinder or

1903
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,920
monster of the week whatever

1904
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,680
you remember those experiences the same

1905
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,240
way you remember experiences that you

1906
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,440
actually did oh amazing which is

1907
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,799
different than if you play a video game

1908
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,079
you remember playing the video game and

1909
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,960
oh this happened in the game and it was

1910
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,880
cool

1911
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:57,520
but when you recount a story of a

1912
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:00,079
tabletop role-playing game you say oh we

1913
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:02,319
did this i fought a dragon

1914
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:05,119
i jumped out of the hot air balloon and

1915
01:05:02,319 --> 01:05:07,440
came stabbing down with my sword and the

1916
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:10,400
warlock blasted and it accidentally hit

1917
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,920
me or whatever the story is your brain

1918
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,799
stores

1919
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:17,760
tabletop roleplay game memory the same

1920
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:19,280
way it stores actual memories that you

1921
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,839
experienced

1922
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,920
which is a unique thing that i don't

1923
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:25,599
think happens in any other form of you

1924
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,559
know classic entertainment whether it's

1925
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:28,880
tv

1926
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:30,480
or going to see a theater show or listen

1927
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,400
to a band

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it's a whole different way the memory is

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stored

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no well absolutely thank you for that i

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could i couldn't have picked a better a

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better topic to finish on so uh

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thank you very much

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um is there anything you guys would

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maybe i don't know uh like to promote

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well first of all thank you for having

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us this was a lot of fun yes absolutely

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and definitely please check out

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mid-level adventurers it's our podcast

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where we talk about

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things to help new players or players

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coming back uh how to get into 5e again

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and uh

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we have our first season is kind of

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wrapped up by

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habit but we've been talking about

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coming back with a new second season and

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a bunch of stuff coming down the

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pipeline for that

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and you can also catch us on

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uh on wednesdays on twitch at newly

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forged and watch us there that's

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n-u-u-l-i

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amazing

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i'm really bad at plugging so i just let

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you do all of that for us

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what he said

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yes what he said thank you god

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i'm so bad at it too

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i'm telling you the social media stuff i

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am so bad at but i end up doing it it's

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so bad

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yes sorry he's our marketing manager as

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well we're relying entirely on danielle

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so check out the links below

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and all that hard work that was your

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first and only mistake you've made today

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is you're lying

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the joke's on you i've made many

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mistakes

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well uh all that's left for me to say is

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thank you ever so much guys for coming

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on that was that was uh yeah very very

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interesting very very discussion i i

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loved it yeah thank you so much it's

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been a great it was a joy yeah yeah a

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lot of fun thank you for your time not

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at all lovely to have you on after after

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uh quite some time it almost feels like

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it's been it's taken too long to get you

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guys on so i'm very happy to i know i'm

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sorry for that that's all on me no no

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no no no no it's all good i'm just happy

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it happened and i think we had a lot of

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fun here

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absolutely yeah so

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as as jared said all the links will be

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in the episode description please do

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check out uh mid-level adventurers and

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newly forged and otherwise

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thank you all for listening

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and good night

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and now it's time for the patreon shout

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outs

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thank you to robert hartley dm for viva

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the dirt league and writer on the dnd

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the logic web series

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i would encourage everybody to check him

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out at robert hartley gm on twitter and

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twitch

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thank you to optional rule a two-time

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guest of the show and a very insightful

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and knowledgeable source of information

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please check them out at

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www.optionall.com

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huge huge thank you to a great friend of

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the show matthew perkins who's out there

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making hilarious and educational

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dungeons and dragons content please go

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and check out his stuff at

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matthewperkins.net where you can find

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links to all of his socials and all of

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his content including his own patreon

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which i would very much encourage you to

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check out

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thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

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on twitter for supporting the show

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if you need support running your

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personal or business schedule head to

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virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

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make that difference between should do

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and done boss it better with support

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from cat who will help you get back that

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essential time you've been searching for

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if you would like to support what we do

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and get four shout outs a month head

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over to patreon.com thinking critically

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or you can just buy me a coffee at

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