April 8, 2022

Community


This episode features Hope of the eponymous HopeForTTRPGs who shares with me how to build and maintain an active and safe community. She goes through some personal pitfalls and anecdotes of that growth, and the unique challenges it possesses. One thing to remember during it all is to look after, care for, and improve yourself, as nothing is worth getting burned out for. This episode also features me personifying the "grumpy old man shakes fist at [thing]" meme... several times!

C O N T E N T

  • 01:35 - A New Hope: Growth and Sustainability
  • 12:52 - Discordance
  • 17:02 - How to Build a Community
  • 43:35 - Social Networks
  • 48:58 - Homebrewing Compelling Communities
  • 56:35 - Staying True to Yourself

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Intro Music: 'Local Forecast' by Kevin MacLeod
Intermission Music: 'Chill' by Kevin MacLeod
Outro Music: 'Local Forecast - Elevator' by Kevin MacLeod

Transcript

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welcome thinkers to season 3 episode 24

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of thinking critically today's topic is

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community

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[Applause]

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and today i'm joined by hope from hope

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for ttrpgs thank you ever so much for

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joining us today hope can you tell us a

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little bit about yourself yes so i'm

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hope from hope for ttrpgs

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and hope for ttrpgs is a

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ttrpg community that i have started to

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help uh ttrfg content creators and just

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everybody else in the community uh to

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grow through support success and

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connection

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amazing and i have to ask is like you're

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leveraging your name as hope right yes

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as into this brand yeah that's

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i'm jealous with my name which cannot be

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leveraged in any similar fashion

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unfortunately

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um and obviously you're excellently

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qualified to talk about today's topic

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which is community so what does that

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mean to you in the ttrpg framework

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so to me a community is a group of

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people who are connected through

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some kind of common shared interest or

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meaning of some sort uh just a group of

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people who care about each other because

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of that shared interest and who they are

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when they're together

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so

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let's start then with i guess like the

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lowest common denominator in this art in

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this instance so like the quote unquote

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the ttipg community

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so

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what has your experience with that been

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and i know that it's a deliberately

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obtuse question like

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that the community is like everybody

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who's ever played the ttrbg i don't know

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uh but what

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what has your experience been yeah uh i

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guess it's mostly kind of tied into the

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origin story so i started playing d d in

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high school

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i got uh introduced to it through

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my now husband and his brother who was

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our dm

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and this was like the first time i had

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ever done anything nerdy uh any kind of

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like role playing anything like that

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so it took a long time for me to

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actually like get kind of comfortable

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with it

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but once we did we actually started a

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podcast and i started running their

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social media pages and i got to meet and

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talk to so many wonderful people in the

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community who were making podcasts

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themselves and i just thought that was

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like the coolest thing

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but then of course life happens and that

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podcast has now been on hiatus for like

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two three years uh but when it had been

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on hiatus for so long

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we were i wasn't able to post on the

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social media anymore and i was just like

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wow i really missed like being able to

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interact with those people and talking

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with them uh and just seeing what they

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were up to all the time so i was like

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you know i'm just gonna start my own

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twitter page you know i'm not producing

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anything but you know i loved helping

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out and supporting other creators so

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i'll just continue doing that on my own

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just easy you know whatever

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uh then a week later we had enough

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interest and we had already started

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building a community that the discord

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happened

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and that's where everything is taken off

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that discord is now over a thousand

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members which is crazy

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through the past year because we're

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actually getting really close to the one

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year anniversary

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so through this entire year i have met

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so many people

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from all different kinds of backgrounds

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with so many different stories to tell

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and different creations and just

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different experiences

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we were able to instantly bond

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i i feel like with so many people so

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we've been able to

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basically carve out this positive space

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on twitter and carve out a space on

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discord now too

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uh where we've just been able to have

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kind of like an open door policy just

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come as you are

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let's let's just have fun and create

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together

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no pressure on me today then to to feel

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like we're you know we're bonding that's

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all after you just you've had all these

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lovely experiences i hope mine is is

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gonna

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stand up to that

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high standard i know don't worry

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it already is oh that's good basically

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anybody that i talk to i just feel like

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yep we're bonded we're friends now

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that's good and of course i know some of

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your previous um people you you've

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interacted with because they have been

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guests or previous guests on the show

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back in the season two uh

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at least one but i imagine probably

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several more that i'm just not aware of

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ha and also

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interestingly i am also on the discord

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and have been for quite some time uh so

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i'm a part of that 1000 strong which is

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i was

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i wanted to ask a question and it's one

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luckily i guess in a way can't answer

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because i don't have the experience have

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you just described there but obviously

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as with any

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community or group of people with a

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group of humans is probably the best way

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to put it there are some time you know

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as you

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get larger and grow there are always

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potentially some issues um and i think

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it's probably a bit more heightened for

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us being deep in the ttrpg sphere of

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media you know there's always people and

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things coming and going and the groups

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of individuals who think a certain way

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act a certain way and whatnot i was just

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wondering if you've had any experiences

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and any issues you've had with that kind

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of cataclysmic growth and how you've had

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work around them i suppose is probably

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the best way to put it oh yeah that is

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honestly a great question we talk a lot

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about the positives and how great it is

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across the board every kind of creator

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it's fun to talk about the great things

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and it's awesome except that inspires

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everybody they're like yeah i want that

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but often we don't talk about the awful

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dusty skeleton in the closet that we

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just try to ignore

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but yeah there have definitely been a

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ton of learning experiences

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uh so for one yeah i've been doing this

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for a year which sounds awesome

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but i've had no experience other than

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this my degree is in music education

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and that's about all i know i'm from a

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small town in nebraska who wants to

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teach music

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so it was a huge learning curve learning

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how to i guess the first thing was how

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to safely set up a discord uh to try to

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keep the bots out and make sure that uh

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terms of services are gonna be met and

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that kind of thing uh and that was uh

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definitely a matter of reaching out to

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other people and that will be a trend as

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i continue telling the story uh

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it's so important to

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be be okay with asking for help and

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looking towards other people to help you

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in the areas where you're unsure

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so that was the first step was just

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creating that safe space getting uh

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the discord terms of services making

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sure that everything's in line with that

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setting up our own community guidelines

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and making sure that we had bots that

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anything that's outside of those

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guidelines in terms of services in place

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so that was kind of the first step which

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honestly has helped a ton i'm actually

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very proud about the amount of bots

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we've had in the server because

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you can count them on one hand we have

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not had that many bots uh in the whole

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year on discord which is pretty cool uh

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so i definitely had some awesome help

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with setting up those safety guidelines

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along with making sure that no

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triggering content gets put out spoiler

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warnings that kind of thing

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so that was kind of like the first step

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in like the big red flags that i could

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see coming up

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then we get to the matter of when you

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have a space of a thousand people a

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thousand people do not always agree and

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they do not always get along

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and that was a huge learning curve for

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me as well and where i say if you have a

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discord server get a mod team that you

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can trust and that you know will have

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your back but will also be able to

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see things from a different point of

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view that you may not have seen and will

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be okay with disagreeing with you as

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that has been super helpful because i

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still remember like the first time that

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i had someone

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in the space who who's honestly their

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views just did not align with the terms

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of services and the guidelines

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and i remember how hurt i felt and i

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felt so bad when they like left and i

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was like oh no i did all these things

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wrong

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and i'm so glad i had my mod team there

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that had my back that was like no it's

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okay

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to set your boundaries

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it's totally okay and it needs to be

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done

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and so that was just a great learning

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experience of just figuring out what the

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boundaries are

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uh and what it looks like when someone

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crosses them you know you think you know

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like oh well if the rules like don't be

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a jerk you know someone's a jerk that's

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crossing the line

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it's actually much more complicated than

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that sometimes uh so having those

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boundaries and making sure that i knew

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what they were was great and then the

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second part of knowing what to do uh so

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that was really important and again i

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honestly learned a lot of that from my

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mods and honestly from being a teacher

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uh learning how to take those big

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situations because i i feel like when

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people get upset about something it's

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because they're passionate and they care

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so when something when someone's upset

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about something i've done i always try

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to think okay well

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they're passionate about it just as much

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as i am that's our common ground you

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know we can figure something out

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so it's being able to take those

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situations de-escalate them uh state

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them professionally matter-of-factly um

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let them know that they are heard they

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are seen they are cared for but these

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are the boundaries these are the exact

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instances and the exact

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points where these were crossed

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i also go by a

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like a second chance policy so we always

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say you know we will work for

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forgiveness and rebuilding

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but the minute that we see that you are

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not trying to be better you are not

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trying to avoid those conflicts

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that's it that is where we have to keep

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this space safe

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so that has been really great uh just

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learning how to do that setting my own

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boundaries and honestly one of the

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biggest things i've just told myself

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that's not even just

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you know rules and boundaries and

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guidelines

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it's just knowing that not everybody is

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meant for the same thing you know so my

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space is not for everyone i want it to

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be but there are some people who just

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want to share not great things

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and that's not what i'm here for and i

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can't make myself something for them

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so that's just something i kind of tell

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myself when people just like randomly

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leave the server when we've had to ban a

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couple of people

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uh you know when there's been other

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toxic people i just tell myself you know

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when they leave they're finding a space

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where they can feel validated and where

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they can grow themselves and my space

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isn't that for everyone and that's okay

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because i am a space for some people

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and

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those some people are where we build our

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community and where we can really

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really grow together because we're all

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there

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for the same values and the same purpose

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i love that there's a there's a

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delightfully unique allegory here for

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that example you've just given of

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the indie games or any role-playing game

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i suppose where you've just said like

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you see so many times online

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your game masters being like oh there's

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a player that

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turns up and he punched me in the face

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and like what should i do

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the rest of the community and of course

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most of the answers like probably

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shouldn't play with him anymore uh like

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but there's there's a reluctance on gm's

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to even consider conceive

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being like i don't think my game is for

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you and maybe you should think another

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game when it takes

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sometimes going to these like egregious

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extreme examples of being like

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he stole my money and i don't know i

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don't feel comfortable playing with him

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again and of course the answer's like

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well then just stone it

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and there is that reluctance there that

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feeling that you've expressed of like oh

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god have i is it my fault that this

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person is punching me in the face and

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still all my money no of course not

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you're totally cool it's totally fine

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and it's also totally okay that

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different strokes are different folks as

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they say and that's that's totally okay

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and i think

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that

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is a lesson people never stop learning

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and

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it's okay for people to disagree i guess

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is what i'm getting at in a weird way

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which sounds no that's totally true

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and i also like

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one of the reasons why i wanted to have

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this chat as well is because i'm

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obviously aware of the discord

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and

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i it makes me feel very old

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not that i am but man i just don't

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i just don't get discord as a as a as a

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thing like i i grew up with like team

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speak teamspeak was my voip of choice

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you know i'm playing i'm playing team

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fortress 2

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you know over uh team teamspeak 2 client

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and that was voip and then when we

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stopped playing we would disconnect and

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i'd turn my computer off and that would

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be it but now people are like oh hop

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onto my discord and i'm like okay what

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to play the game or

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i feel like there's something more to

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this

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this this invitation and suddenly

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there's like all this

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this other stuff and i'm like but where

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do i go to play the game

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so we can talk or we play the game

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uh so yeah for me that that that is

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still a an ongoing learning experience

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for me to be like this is

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it's just like a group forum but but i'm

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you know i grew up with

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actual website forums that aren't as big

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of a thing anymore where you would have

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500 page threads like the wow forums for

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example when they'd released a patch

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note would be like here's two billion

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pages of people that's just

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horrible to search through horrible to

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look through completely a waste of

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everyone's time because there's like 20

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different conversations going on that

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are separated by the other 19

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conversations

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so once i put it like that i guess

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discord does make a lot of sense but

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[Laughter]

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yeah no i totally get that i started on

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forums too and i loved them but

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uh even then like and that was back in

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the

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that was so long ago too when i was a

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part of forums but you always like i

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always found myself carving out little

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spaces even there and i always end up

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interacting with the same people over

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and over again because there's so much

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jumble everywhere else

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and i and i guess it's kind of similar

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to discord i honestly think of discord

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as group chats uh just with little kind

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saying it organization does not sound

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right because it's chaotic but kind of

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organize group chats in a group chat uh

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and that's one of like the things i've

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heard the most is uh i have a pretty big

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space there's a lot going on and i try

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to organize it by having a lot of

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categories to make it easier to find

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things find specific advice specific

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chat threads

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specific games and for me i think it's

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worked out fairly well but one of the

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things that we do to also make sure that

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stays a safe space for the community is

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in the welcome we always say like hey

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it's gonna get crazy

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take your time you do not have to go

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through everything all at once mute the

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things that don't interest you because

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there will be some don't feel like you

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have to stay up on the conversation

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because it's impossible uh it's just a

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space where when you have the energy and

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the time that you want to hop in and

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interact with people you can hop in you

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can send two messages and hop right back

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out and

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no one's gonna think anything other than

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oh hey you're here sweet we're talking

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about soup today and

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move on which i honestly love that

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format so much uh i'm in a ton of

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discords for other people as well which

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i feel awful because i can't keep up

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with them either because there's so many

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uh but i love joining them because i

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know like hey when i want to you know

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talk with this person i want to get with

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their group it's like to me it's like

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cool i'm a part of all these group chats

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and i love it

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unfortunately i hate soup so i'm gonna

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have to leave your discord server now

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right here

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that's okay uh we have different teams

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we've got team meet we've got team

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cheese we've got team bread

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apparently we really like food i

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this is a ttrpg server right

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yes it is

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and we would have a specific channel for

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food but we're always chatting about

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food in general i it must just be

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because since it's ttrpgs we just like

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snacks i guess

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well i actually don't like cheese irl so

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i know which side of that uh the line in

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the sand i'm gonna fall on uh quite

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quite readily

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oh wow um

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so

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one thing again that i've been obviously

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thinking about i'm

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obviously i'm growing attempting to have

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this show and this podcast and

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it is what it is a little passion

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project of mine and uh

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one way of of looking at community is

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not only a

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this kind of high level like we all

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are in some way connected to tt rpgs

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and that's

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fine you know we'll there's a you know

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community of car drivers for example who

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drive cars um

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but there's obviously a slightly smaller

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one so what i'm thinking about here is

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like my

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community or an equivalent community of

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my listeners so like for my

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quote-unquote brand i kind of hate using

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that term because it has so many

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negative connotations because of all

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like the mega brands being

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decidedly undelightful 99 of the time so

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using it for like me sitting in england

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makes it sound weird and bizarre but

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uh

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but uh like how do you build you know

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how do you build a community is i guess

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what i'm asking about around a certain

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at a certain thing or a certain topic

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and

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i

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uh maybe i am similar to you in that i'm

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not

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you know i'm not a marketing manager i

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have worked in those environments before

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but i'm not a trained advertiser or a

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trained anything like that i train

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social media manager by any stretch of

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the imagination

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so how does how do you

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foster a community i suppose around a

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potentially niche topic

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honestly the number one thing is

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interact

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uh interact interact interact that's

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really what it comes down to

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uh

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for me the more that i talk to people

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the more that the space grows um which

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again there are a ton of challenges with

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that too

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so you can fight against it but for me

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what i found was the best and the first

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step was just

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talking getting out there replying to

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threads you know starting those

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conversations making those posts that

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you know are opening questions like

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what's your favorite d d character you

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know uh they're you know a lot of people

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have different opinions about that

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because sometimes they see them as very

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shallow and just looking for

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uh you know hits but honestly i love

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them because that's where i see have a

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great chance to just start that open

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dialogue with anybody that's where you

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can just start a conversation

553
00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:29,200
so taking opportunities of that all of

554
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,520
the hashtag events you know get in on

555
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,160
those that is great too get get a part

556
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,000
of those hashtags talk to those people

557
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,520
because the more that people see you

558
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,760
whether they're interacting with you or

559
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,600
not the more they see you the more

560
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,039
they're gonna feel like they know you

561
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,200
and feel more comfortable because to be

562
00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:48,160
like oh i know those colors i know that

563
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:50,880
logo i know that name i've seen it like

564
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,320
everywhere uh and that will start making

565
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,679
people a little bit more comfortable

566
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,600
with interacting with you because they

567
00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:57,039
know that you're not just some crazy

568
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,320
random thing that they've never seen

569
00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,559
before

570
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,600
so for me interacting was so huge

571
00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:02,880
because

572
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,320
that's where i started building those

573
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,679
relationships

574
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:09,280
those funny jokes that stayed around uh

575
00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:11,360
the different backstories of different

576
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,000
people starting to do one shots those

577
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:17,120
are all just because of interaction

578
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,400
uh so that's the biggest thing for me

579
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:22,080
but it is hard i am an introvert which a

580
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,120
lot of people i don't think guess that

581
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,679
anymore uh because i'm always talking

582
00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:30,559
and i'm always out there uh but it was

583
00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:32,960
hard and honestly my capacity for like

584
00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:35,039
interacting with people has grown

585
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,320
massively over the last year

586
00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:38,080
there were so many times in the

587
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,679
beginning where like i felt so burned

588
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,600
out and that's where it's important to

589
00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:43,200
take that time for yourself don't force

590
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,880
those interactions

591
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,360
but when you have the energy when you

592
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,120
have the time and the want go for it do

593
00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,720
it do it all because

594
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:53,039
that's what social media is there for us

595
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,120
for people to talk to each other uh and

596
00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:57,600
that will help immensely

597
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:59,919
and then from there you can start

598
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,000
expanding and that's gonna start being

599
00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:04,080
where you grow to other people uh

600
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,919
collaborations were big for me you know

601
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,840
i talked to these people you know i knew

602
00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:10,159
kind of what they did and so when i had

603
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,320
questions i asked them when events were

604
00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:13,919
going on like i asked like what can i do

605
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,120
to help you know when people asked first

606
00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:16,400
people to get involved i was like yeah

607
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:18,320
i'll get involved

608
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,840
uh and so like that was huge because at

609
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,000
that point you know we'd already been

610
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,720
talking we had those open dialogues

611
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,480
running uh that we started collaborating

612
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,240
and that started to build a group and

613
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,480
then from there it just keeps going out

614
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,559
and out the more that you do and that's

615
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,919
gonna help you so much because then for

616
00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:38,559
the other parts like having a consistent

617
00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:40,960
posting schedule and using like ads

618
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:44,960
twitter or buffer or all those other

619
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,400
things to make graphics and just oh it

620
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,000
continues on and on there's so many

621
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,679
things you can do

622
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,200
and that's very overwhelming to think of

623
00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:53,360
doing those all by yourself to build

624
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,880
your brand so when you have

625
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:57,520
a community when you already have

626
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,520
whether it's one person five fifty

627
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,520
whatever when you have that

628
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,440
you can definitely reach out to get help

629
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,679
on those things and get feedback and

630
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,880
make it so much easier to take those

631
00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:10,799
further steps in growing even more

632
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,640
um yeah i'm

633
00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:14,799
i see here what this is going to be very

634
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,600
interesting i don't know why or to who

635
00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:18,000
it feels like it's going to be

636
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,039
interesting but i am and my partner will

637
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,799
tell you

638
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:22,799
the first time you ask a very

639
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:25,440
extroverted so i'm

640
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:27,520
happy to go out and meet new people and

641
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,600
make friends and she always jokes that

642
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,880
she hasn't got any friends and i've got

643
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,919
enough friends for the both of us she's

644
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,559
like why we've got so many friends don't

645
00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:36,799
know they just keep appearing here i

646
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:37,760
just keep making new friends uh

647
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:41,039
but

648
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:43,440
conversely like online on social media

649
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:45,520
and stuff i don't i'm not

650
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,559
i it just feels like i would never have

651
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,200
anything

652
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:51,760
of value no one cares essentially which

653
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,320
is which is why i might never if someone

654
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,120
asks that question the question of like

655
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,760
who what's your favorite dnd character

656
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:01,200
i'm not no one no one cares

657
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,880
about mine because it's kind of like

658
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,760
pointless uh in

659
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,840
my of my response so that's why

660
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,760
there's this weird like topsy-turvy

661
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,880
world that we both

662
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,559
have found ourselves in um

663
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,679
which i think is quite an interesting

664
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:19,600
turn of events considering that uh maybe

665
00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:21,840
i'm just too focused on the i you know

666
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,919
the irl social interaction side of

667
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,480
things and that's what's lacking for me

668
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:28,400
not to turn this into some weird pseudo

669
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,000
naval gazing exercise that wasn't my

670
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,480
intent no

671
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,799
[Laughter]

672
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,280
no that's honestly really common i hear

673
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,720
that a lot from the people who

674
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,039
are really struggling to feel like they

675
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,279
can make a space online a very common

676
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,760
answer is that you know well no one

677
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:45,440
cares i don't feel like what i say has

678
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,480
value and

679
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,400
you know and it goes on and it's totally

680
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,960
valid to feel that way

681
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,039
a lot of it is just perspective in how

682
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,559
you utilize the space

683
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:58,320
so a lot of the times the first thing

684
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,679
that people are going to say is well if

685
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,799
you don't think it has value then how

686
00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:03,279
are you going to convince everybody else

687
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:05,840
to have value that it has value

688
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,279
and well that does make sense sometimes

689
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,720
that's really

690
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,640
hard like for me when i hear that

691
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,640
response to it like my mental balls

692
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240
immediately go up and i start receding

693
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,159
and tracking back and

694
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,400
it opens up more negative feelings for

695
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:20,480
me when i hear that because

696
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,080
you know it's like well oh well now i

697
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,559
feel bad and doesn't have value then you

698
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,320
start questioning yourself um so i mean

699
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:28,960
that is one way to look at it is you

700
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,640
know on the positive side of that if you

701
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,480
don't see that it has value how do you

702
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,559
convince everybody else that it does

703
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,840
you know on the positive side you know

704
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,760
if you're ready for that in the mental

705
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,480
space like okay well i do believe in

706
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,159
this how do i convince people this um

707
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,480
and that's when you can start you know

708
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:46,480
looking at different ways to format and

709
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,039
all that kind of stuff there are a lot

710
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,760
of options for that uh but at the same

711
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:54,080
time i think a lot of it is what are you

712
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,559
expecting to get out of the space

713
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,880
are you wanting just to

714
00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:01,200
just post only your things and then hope

715
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,559
that people just gravitate towards what

716
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,120
you say only

717
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,480
and then kind of leave kind of like what

718
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,679
what i see a lot of bigger brands do

719
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,360
like you go to their twitter page they

720
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:11,279
don't retweet anybody they don't comment

721
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,440
on anybody you go to their page and you

722
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,919
can see everything about them which is

723
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,559
great but now that's

724
00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:20,400
a big person and a following to me

725
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,279
that's not a community

726
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,840
so

727
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:25,279
a lot of it i think is just get out

728
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,600
there and even if you think it doesn't

729
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:30,159
have value just keep doing it because

730
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,679
you're going to find people uh kind of

731
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:33,840
like me who are just like yeah i'll talk

732
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:35,520
with anybody i'm very chatty like i do

733
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,320
want to know when i ask those questions

734
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,440
you know if your favorite character is

735
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,760
a

736
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,480
gorilla druid for some reason because

737
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,640
you're inspired by harambe great cool

738
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,480
that's awesome and now i know a lot

739
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,400
about you

740
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,480
and i think that's great and it's funny

741
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,960
and while those uh

742
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,559
conversations can be really fleeting you

743
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,640
know that's where now i have a

744
00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,080
connection with your account and so now

745
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,440
when i see you interacting with somebody

746
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,159
else or when i see you post i'm like

747
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:06,640
okay that's the funny gorilla druid guy

748
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:08,640
like i want to see what they're doing uh

749
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,960
so it's just hopping on and having fun

750
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,960
with it i think is a big part of it i

751
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,799
just you know even if you feel like you

752
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,720
don't have anything important to say

753
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,799
um

754
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,679
the term for it what you said this is an

755
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:23,039
adult podcast uh is [ __ ] posting oh yeah

756
00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:25,520
uh

757
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:28,640
it's a common term and it's true uh and

758
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,919
it's actually very much encouraged uh in

759
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,400
the space quite a bit because if you're

760
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:34,320
only posting promos uh for your book

761
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,480
people see your book but they don't see

762
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,640
you so if you take those moments to be

763
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,120
like oh my goodness i have had like 18

764
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,880
coffees today where is that motivation

765
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,559
you know even if it only gets like one

766
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,320
like or one hit

767
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,000
you know people still see it and then

768
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,960
they see like this is the person behind

769
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,480
that uh you know when you talk about um

770
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080
like i kind of [ __ ] post on my own

771
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,480
discord sometimes i'll just post random

772
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,799
things that happen today uh my cat beans

773
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,880
who is also kind of our mascot

774
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:02,720
uh she is one of the most destructive

775
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,200
cats i have ever seen

776
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,320
uh and we got her these cute little like

777
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:11,360
mouse plushies for christmas and she

778
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,279
tore one to shreds last night like tail

779
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,320
is off like there's a little cotton

780
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,080
everywhere

781
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,919
um and you know i just posted that on

782
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,360
the discord because yeah it's it's

783
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:23,520
random has nothing to do with ttrpgs uh

784
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:25,919
but that's kind of how beans got to be

785
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,320
the mascot is by just randomly posting

786
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:29,840
about it because people saw oh hey this

787
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,840
is the person this is a person who has a

788
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,200
crazy cat and we can all relate to crazy

789
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,360
cats

790
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,880
and that's kind of where it just builds

791
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,960
on that's why it's so important just to

792
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,520
post no matter what it is whether you

793
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,200
think it has value or not uh it's just

794
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,279
because people are gonna see it and

795
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,880
people are gonna get to know you and

796
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,320
know your product know

797
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,039
kind of what you like and that's where

798
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,720
those relationships get built

799
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,559
it just takes a lot of effort and a lot

800
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,240
of time which is

801
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,919
and again especially like whether an

802
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,159
extrovert or introvert or not whether

803
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:01,919
you like social media or not there's a

804
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:03,200
lot of effort that goes into it and

805
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:05,279
that's where it gets hard yeah i think

806
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,360
it's a story of everyone's life right

807
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:09,039
you can do all this stuff but oh yeah

808
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:11,120
so you got it you got to put the legwork

809
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,120
in

810
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,840
exactly

811
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:15,600
and kind of a disclaimer from my own

812
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,919
like that's how i started and why i

813
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,200
think i saw so much growth right away is

814
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:22,480
because

815
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,559
i honestly wasn't doing the most uh

816
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,440
i wasn't doing the best practices for

817
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:29,360
self-care i was doing full-time college

818
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,440
student stuff so like at the college

819
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:33,840
like 7 20 a.m because that's the only

820
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,559
time you could find parking was 7 20

821
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,559
and i wouldn't get home till

822
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:41,679
sometimes 10 o'clock at night otherwise

823
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:43,360
routinely closer to 6. uh and in between

824
00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:45,279
classes while i was bored in classes i

825
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,440
was on my phone doing twitter when i got

826
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,679
home i was up till like two three in the

827
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,200
morning on twitter and on discord afraid

828
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:52,399
that i was going to miss something uh

829
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,000
that something was going to happen and i

830
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:57,039
wasn't going to be there so i was

831
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,840
spending like 16 hours a day on my phone

832
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:02,080
uh and so while that was great for

833
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,840
interacting with other people

834
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,600
there was a lot of stress and anxiety

835
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,399
there just because of the fear of

836
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,840
missing out and the fear of just

837
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:10,960
not being

838
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,520
there

839
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,520
so i had to learn a lot about that and

840
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,559
i'm still learning how to

841
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,159
take steps back uh but again it was a

842
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,559
big room for growth and the more that

843
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:24,640
you start doing it uh the easier it'll

844
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:27,360
be so just like start with like okay i'm

845
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,440
gonna go through this hashtag today and

846
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,559
i'm just gonna spend you know three to

847
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,720
five minutes scrolling through this

848
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,720
hashtag you know liking things that you

849
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,039
like retweeting to support other people

850
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,799
commenting just randomly and you can put

851
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:43,200
it away but even that five minutes uh is

852
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,559
awesome it's enough to help get you out

853
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,880
there and i totally recommend just

854
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:48,480
taking those small steps at first and

855
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,559
then just building up to where you feel

856
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,520
comfortable and taking advantage of all

857
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,120
of the

858
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,679
tools that are out there for you to help

859
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,679
you do that uh like scheduling your

860
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:58,720
posts if you're going to be advertising

861
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:01,200
something

862
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,960
like i cannot i cannot stress enough how

863
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,960
helpful that is if you're advertising

864
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,600
something because it takes

865
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,159
like 10 minutes and then there are all

866
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,080
of your promos for the entire week now

867
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:13,919
you don't have to worry about it and

868
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,279
instead of having you know five minutes

869
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:18,000
of every day where you're stressing

870
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,360
about it it's one 10-minute session and

871
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,799
it's done

872
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,440
and that has been

873
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:25,760
so amazing for me to take some time away

874
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,919
from my phone and scheduling things uh

875
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,360
just to have that already done so that's

876
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,480
like the biggest thing that i can say

877
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,679
that can help if you're wanting to

878
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,559
advertise

879
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,720
and if you're wanting to build a

880
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,399
community just interact

881
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,880
my uh

882
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:42,880
panacea to fomo is um his laziness and

883
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,320
joining a discord server and being like

884
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,279
wow there's way too many messages to

885
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:50,240
catch up on here that's cool that's

886
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:52,080
not us way too many here and then i'm

887
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,600
not worried about it because like

888
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,760
i'll i'll get to that when i get to that

889
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,880
like it's stuff's it's kicking off so

890
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,600
that's why they could just kick off in

891
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,200
the background to me that's that's

892
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,399
uh that's how i deal with it but i do

893
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,480
want to say

894
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:05,360
i love the comment you made there around

895
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,240
uh

896
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,880
like a following versus a community and

897
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,200
that is something that i haven't

898
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,039
articulated to myself

899
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,080
but absolutely something that i

900
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,360
also subscribe to i'm very keen on

901
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,640
having

902
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,399
genuine listeners for the show and i'm

903
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,760
absolutely certain that they are out

904
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:28,640
there because they

905
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,519
they interact with me funnily enough um

906
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,440
and

907
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,919
you know there's a couple online that'll

908
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,159
always either you know i'm listening to

909
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:37,679
this again this week uh

910
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:40,559
which is

911
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:42,960
surreal like absurd to me still to think

912
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,320
to this day that someone on the other

913
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,799
side of the world or the other side of

914
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,640
the country is just doing some

915
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,840
stupid [ __ ] that i put together once a

916
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,519
week

917
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,279
i know it isn't but

918
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,159
uh it's still it's still crazy to think

919
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,120
about

920
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:59,519
and then there's a core group of other

921
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,760
creators that i have

922
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:03,919
super bonded with as you said um like

923
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,159
tabletop journeys because i know they've

924
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:08,320
well we've worked with them before

925
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:09,519
so i've you know they've come on my show

926
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,039
uh

927
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,080
once but then we've scheduled in for

928
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,080
another couple of weeks time for the

929
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,000
second episode to have them back on uh

930
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,840
and then i did a couple of things with

931
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,440
them as well and that was that was super

932
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,880
fun like that was

933
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,279
again

934
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,559
great learning experience uh fun

935
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:27,760
interesting you know we played a

936
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:30,159
different ttrpg so the very kind of base

937
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,559
fundamental mechanical level i was

938
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:34,960
learning to have you know i wasn't

939
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,279
playing dnd for a change which is

940
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,279
always a good idea

941
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,240
to learn and enjoy different things on

942
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:42,559
top of

943
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,919
you know being like hey i'm

944
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:46,320
paying it back in a way you know you

945
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:48,799
came on my show and now i'm i'm you know

946
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,880
joining you on your show and i i'm

947
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,880
having such fun and they're always you

948
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,440
know interacting and supporting and it's

949
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,000
a really great feeling for me because it

950
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,159
is that organic

951
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,919
relationship that has grown from a

952
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:04,559
discussion much like the one you and i

953
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:06,399
are having this very instant into

954
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,320
this ongoing relationship and there's a

955
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:09,519
whole handful there's a whole group of

956
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,279
those other content creators and

957
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:14,320
listeners that are always

958
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:15,679
that are always there in on my

959
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,600
you know interacting and stuff and i'm

960
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:18,480
like yeah you're i know you because not

961
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,799
only because you spent an hour and a

962
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,440
half talking but also because

963
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:25,120
we're chatting away and i know the kind

964
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,399
of things that are going to

965
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,159
tick those boxes that you like

966
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:29,519
interacting with and this that and the

967
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:32,080
other so

968
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:34,880
that is probably one of the more well

969
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,640
probably the most rewarding thing once i

970
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,360
you know the first six months i could

971
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,960
tear myself away from the numbers of my

972
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,559
podcast once i tore myself away from

973
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,000
that i could focus on like hey there's

974
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,640
this one guy

975
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,640
up in the north of england that loves my

976
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,760
stuff and he is my number one fan and

977
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,960
i'm in love with him and i've never seen

978
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,430
him before

979
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,960
that's that is what makes you feel great

980
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:58,320
[Laughter]

981
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,720
it really is i that's again going back

982
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,440
to uh growing that community those

983
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,799
collaborations are so important uh

984
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,039
that's kind of how i got in with

985
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:09,040
tabletop journeys too was they had me on

986
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,320
and then since that day every time i see

987
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,240
their stuff and they got a new project

988
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,839
i'm like yes i love them as people and i

989
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,960
love what they're doing so i'm

990
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:17,440
definitely going to make sure that i

991
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,440
take the time to help support them

992
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,280
so they can continue going on

993
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,359
and the more people that you do that

994
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,159
with the more that you know right now a

995
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:29,040
big thing in the community is a rising

996
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,480
tide raises all ships the more we help

997
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,440
each other the more we're all going to

998
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,200
rise it's not a competition uh the more

999
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,800
that we help each other we're all going

1000
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,520
to get better because we all are doing

1001
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,839
something while it might maybe similar

1002
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,280
uh everyone that you do it you're going

1003
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:44,800
to be doing it differently it's going to

1004
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,679
have your own little spice on it your

1005
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,520
own little take and you know that might

1006
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,599
just be that

1007
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,200
just enough to make your space that

1008
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,760
space for someone

1009
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,240
so those collaborations are just amazing

1010
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,119
and i love them too like one shots were

1011
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:02,640
a huge thing for me this year uh getting

1012
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:04,160
uh just taking those opportunities when

1013
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,240
people were asking for guests uh

1014
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,520
starting one shots uh

1015
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,520
every time i'm in a one shot with

1016
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,240
someone whether i don't know the other

1017
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,240
five people at the table or not

1018
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:16,640
once that like hour to four hours

1019
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:19,359
however long it takes is done i like

1020
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,599
those people a lot and we created those

1021
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:23,520
relationships and created a stronger

1022
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,839
community together where we like each

1023
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,079
other we want to support each other

1024
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:30,640
goodness even last night i just started

1025
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:32,960
a new show called world to know

1026
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,079
and i just had a couple people come on

1027
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,520
and i was like hey we're going to play

1028
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,200
basically this game where we and where

1029
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,160
we roll dice and we answer questions

1030
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,640
together

1031
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,560
and it was so fun and now we're already

1032
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,400
scheduling a one shot together because

1033
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,720
that two hours of just chatting uh we're

1034
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,920
like okay well we really like you as a

1035
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,920
dm so

1036
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,880
can we force you to dm one shot for us

1037
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,640
and he was like yeah let's do it and so

1038
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,400
immediately after that show we were all

1039
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,359
just chatting like non-stop in the

1040
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,880
discord uh our little group chat

1041
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:04,720
like what we wanted to do what our

1042
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,720
character is going to be and how we can

1043
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:09,200
already start scheduling this

1044
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,320
so just after that two hours of taking

1045
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,240
people that

1046
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,320
a lot of them i talked to a lot some of

1047
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,599
them not so much some of them had never

1048
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,440
met each other

1049
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,680
now we're already collaborating on a

1050
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,640
whole new project together and i just

1051
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,560
love that so much of the ttrpg community

1052
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,920
of where you can just interact with

1053
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,240
someone

1054
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,079
then you collaborate or just even have a

1055
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,839
fun conversation and there you go you've

1056
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,839
built your own little community right

1057
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,839
there

1058
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:44,160
[Music]

1059
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,280
yeah that's

1060
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,440
another thing i wanted to add i don't

1061
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,359
want to make me think of it in that

1062
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,920
example there but one thing that has

1063
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:54,640
just come to my mind is

1064
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,800
having never been huge on social media

1065
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,560
prior to the podcast

1066
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,880
it's always just seemed you know there's

1067
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,480
always a bazillion people when you only

1068
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,160
ever really you know in pop culture and

1069
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,839
media and then news and stuff you only

1070
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,440
ever really get your attention drawn to

1071
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:09,359
like the big things where

1072
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,599
the most disliked video on youtube for

1073
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:13,200
example or the most downvoted comment on

1074
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,800
reddit for example

1075
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,280
so you don't ever see

1076
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,680
the smaller circles within them but

1077
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,960
something i've found since doing this

1078
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,800
and having

1079
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,800
been you know exceptionally fortunate

1080
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,800
enough to have you know have had my

1081
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,119
reach expanded when i've searched for

1082
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,280
guests and people being like hey

1083
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:33,359
i'm going to boost this and be like i

1084
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,119
listen then downloads

1085
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:37,040
super cool funny handsome charming guy

1086
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,839
not my words no definitely my words uh

1087
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,320
but

1088
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:41,280
you should go on a show um

1089
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,280
and

1090
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,520
i've obviously spoke to that's quite a

1091
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,000
wide net and there are like

1092
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,240
there's a bunch of guys from like new

1093
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,599
zealand and australia that i've had i've

1094
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:53,839
had two of them on now i've got two

1095
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:55,119
others that are planning to come on and

1096
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:57,200
i'm like you i don't really see you in

1097
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:59,920
the other kind of circles but i see you

1098
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,079
in these kind of circles and it's

1099
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,280
from a purely selfish point of view it's

1100
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,839
like hey there's a whole other mark out

1101
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,920
there but also it's like hey there's

1102
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:08,880
what a what are you why can't i why

1103
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,000
haven't i've been talking to you cool

1104
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,599
guys

1105
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,880
for the last 12 months that are just

1106
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,599
sitting over there on the other side of

1107
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,040
the

1108
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:18,640
wall 11 hours ahead in the future

1109
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,839
which makes scheduling a pain in the ass

1110
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,839
which i suppose is one reason why but uh

1111
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:26,160
but yeah that was a really interesting

1112
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:28,320
way to see isn't just this big

1113
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,280
twitter users there are

1114
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,240
these

1115
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,960
little

1116
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,480
fiefdoms and then domains that are you

1117
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,760
know within circles within circles

1118
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,280
within circles it's really kind of

1119
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,760
interesting and uh eye-opening and

1120
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,599
fun to you know learn and see and

1121
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,680
interact with and then see whether

1122
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:48,240
whether like you said like the nuances

1123
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,640
the spice the sew is different with each

1124
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,079
of them is interesting it's fun

1125
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,680
learning learning i like learning so

1126
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,280
it's a learning experience at the end of

1127
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,599
the day

1128
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,240
it really is because i've been trying to

1129
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:02,960
like break into the other uh circles as

1130
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:05,280
well uh because one of the big things

1131
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,000
when starting hope for tt rpgs was i

1132
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,880
wanted to bring that positivity

1133
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,560
and helping each other out kind of vibes

1134
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,320
because ttrfg twitter a year ago was not

1135
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,520
necessarily the nicest place in the

1136
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,040
world to be

1137
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,320
uh and so

1138
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,400
it's so great to think that we've

1139
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,480
absolutely transformed that space and i

1140
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,720
still know that those toxic spaces are

1141
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,800
out there on the other platforms

1142
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:31,280
so i've been working to kind of help

1143
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,040
bring those good vibes there as well

1144
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,200
and that is a learning experience

1145
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,920
because every platform is so different

1146
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,960
like the twitter group for hope for tt

1147
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,599
rpgs like it's pretty massive uh the

1148
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,280
instagram group oh it's tiny we've got

1149
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:47,839
like a bunch of like supportive group

1150
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,240
chats that uh are are very small and i

1151
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:51,920
love them because instagram limits how

1152
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,640
many you can have in a group chat so we

1153
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,119
have all of these little like helpful uh

1154
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,880
pods of people uh and so those are all

1155
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,480
mini circles right there

1156
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,680
and like that's great because we're

1157
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,040
starting to break through and we're

1158
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,720
starting to make some moves there of

1159
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,200
like hey interact with each other on

1160
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:09,359
instagram like we can bring that same

1161
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,440
community and lifting each other up and

1162
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:14,000
having fun through ttrpgs we can bring

1163
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,160
that to there uh and like tick tock's a

1164
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,280
whole nother realm that like i'm kind of

1165
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,040
trying to do but oh there is so much

1166
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,960
learning and

1167
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,119
everything's totally different but the

1168
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,440
learning part is so great because you

1169
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:29,440
learn different skills uh whether it's

1170
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,040
editing videos or

1171
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,240
learning how to uh take files from obs

1172
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,960
and

1173
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,000
you might say off the top of your head

1174
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,839
yeah

1175
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,359
you know other things like that learning

1176
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,720
how to talk to people and talk with

1177
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:45,520
different people through different

1178
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,400
formats um in learning honestly a cool

1179
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,240
thing

1180
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,119
that i've learned is just different

1181
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:53,599
cultures and different people i i've

1182
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,119
never really left my state uh so being

1183
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,200
able to like talk to all these different

1184
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,119
people and hearing their experiences has

1185
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,319
been so cool too

1186
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,960
uh so

1187
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:04,079
the whole learning part of everything is

1188
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,200
so great

1189
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,400
well if you ever want to hear what it's

1190
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,359
like in

1191
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,599
england

1192
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:12,560
and be bored

1193
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,560
then i can tell you

1194
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,040
um but you know as i said like learning

1195
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,880
is a huge thing i've said a hundred

1196
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,000
times on the show before it turns like

1197
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,760
audio skills are editing i had none and

1198
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,119
now i have some which is great which is

1199
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,720
better you know

1200
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,160
that's my life

1201
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,160
experience has

1202
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,599
objectively increased which is a weird

1203
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,680
video gamey way to think about one's

1204
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,920
life but

1205
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,480
that's the kind of person i am um and

1206
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,400
likewise with i paid

1207
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,440
uh one of my best friends his partner as

1208
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,560
an artist and i i paid her to do my logo

1209
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,960
because i was like hey

1210
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,440
i know you you two can draw and can do

1211
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,319
art i can't so please take my money and

1212
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,240
make me something that isn't garbage

1213
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,520
i have this stupid idea that i'm gonna

1214
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,359
attempt to communicate through you in

1215
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,119
words and you have to read my mind and

1216
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:00,400
interpret that and she did a bloody

1217
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,240
fantastic job

1218
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,599
as you can see behind me up here and

1219
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:07,359
others can see on the podcast uh and

1220
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,599
i like i had that and that was fine as

1221
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:13,119
it was for quite some time

1222
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:14,800
but then i wanted a i wanted to print a

1223
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,280
poster for both

1224
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,000
up here behind me in my office uh and

1225
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:23,040
also uh for a fl

1226
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,160
gs in my local town

1227
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,400
and

1228
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,480
i was like well i you know i'm not

1229
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,000
i can't expect them again to be like

1230
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200
make it like this and do this and change

1231
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,920
it every week for me and this that and

1232
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,200
the other so i i have my hand was forced

1233
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,910
to learn some

1234
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,200
very rudimentary image manipulation

1235
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:42,400
[Laughter]

1236
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,760
so now i know you know how to use [ __ ]

1237
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,310
rather than just paint which was the

1238
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,520
limit of my image editing skills before

1239
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:49,760
[Laughter]

1240
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,440
so now i have like

1241
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,920
the you know the pink and purple

1242
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,119
gradient on other pieces of you know

1243
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,520
collateral

1244
00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:00,319
uh i have the youtube thumbnails and all

1245
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,280
that kind of stuff is is what i've done

1246
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:04,720
that took

1247
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,319
a lot of frustrated time to be like

1248
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,319
move there

1249
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:09,680
without ruining the rest of it

1250
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:11,200
um

1251
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,960
but then now that as you like as you

1252
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,000
said it becomes a bit more routine and a

1253
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,599
bit quicker and uh yeah that's

1254
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,720
complete digression of the topic of

1255
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:22,079
community because i'm literally just

1256
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,079
talking about me myself

1257
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,480
at this point sorry everybody uh but

1258
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,440
that's that's where we find ourselves

1259
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,040
but actually i wanted to say you um i

1260
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,040
wasted a perfect segue you offered me

1261
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,200
earlier on um because you were talking

1262
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,119
about the other social networks

1263
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,760
and i did want to ask a question in

1264
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:40,480
terms of like what is

1265
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,079
your

1266
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:47,280
favorite and i'll let you define

1267
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:49,839
what it takes to be your favorite

1268
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,640
like my favorite platform yeah yeah be

1269
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:54,960
it tick tock bit be it twitter be it

1270
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,040
reddit dare i even

1271
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,160
mention it

1272
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,760
boy

1273
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,440
oh i won't be offended

1274
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,880
oh boy uh

1275
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,040
honestly i have to say twitter is

1276
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,800
probably my favorite uh just because it

1277
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,000
covers all of my bases it has uh okay

1278
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,520
outreach if you know how to break the

1279
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,000
algorithm

1280
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,839
you know you can meet other people you

1281
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,640
can somewhat stay connected with the

1282
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:22,720
ones that you do like uh there's many

1283
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,240
ways to also help break the algorithm to

1284
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:26,640
stop having them get rid of all the

1285
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,400
people that you enjoy

1286
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,560
but you also get to

1287
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,920
post about your own stuff you can

1288
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,920
advertise

1289
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,599
and you can have conversations and i

1290
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,359
think that's the big thing that a lot of

1291
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:41,839
other platforms uh can sometimes lack on

1292
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:44,000
uh gosh i'm just like bashing on other

1293
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:45,520
social media uh everybody has their own

1294
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,400
ways to interact so like you're probably

1295
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,050
not

1296
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,520
it's your safe space do what you want

1297
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:52,079
[Laughter]

1298
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,240
just for me personally like instagram

1299
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,119
i'm not a fan of because i feel very

1300
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:59,440
much like it's a hey here's my stuff

1301
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:02,400
look at me only uh because having

1302
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,920
conversations doesn't seem to be as easy

1303
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,359
for me because people will comment on

1304
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,680
your post and you can talk to that

1305
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:10,160
person one on one but it's so hard to

1306
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,560
have group discussions uh which on

1307
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,280
twitter uh you can you can have as many

1308
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,119
people tagged as possible and they're

1309
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,200
gonna get all the notifications for that

1310
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,520
entire conversation which can be great

1311
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,760
it can also be not so great but i love

1312
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,079
that it allows for group conversations

1313
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,200
in that kind of like public setting very

1314
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:29,119
easily

1315
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,800
but again it also doesn't do a good job

1316
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:33,200
of keeping track of things where that is

1317
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,440
a plus on instagram where um i can

1318
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,119
easily see the last time that i posted

1319
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,520
this promo image you know if i want to

1320
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:41,599
see someone's uh like artwork that

1321
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,440
they've done i know i can go to their

1322
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:45,280
instagram and find it easy while on

1323
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,960
twitter it's a lot harder to find things

1324
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,640
easy yeah so i guess for me it's twitter

1325
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,160
that's probably my favorite it's easy

1326
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,640
for me to talk to people it's easy to

1327
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,880
pick up it's easy to put down uh i can

1328
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,400
spend two seconds on it or i can spend

1329
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,800
two days on it

1330
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,720
and i just i think it's really easy for

1331
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,160
me to do that and to discover other

1332
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,319
people and

1333
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,280
it just works well for me

1334
00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:10,480
yeah yeah no for sure i mean

1335
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,560
i'm gonna

1336
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,880
exacerbate my old man persona i'm in my

1337
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,400
30s just to be clear i'm not actually an

1338
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,040
old man um

1339
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,480
but the reason i like twitter is because

1340
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,079
when i first was starting the show and

1341
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,760
was like let me go on some socials

1342
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,599
having never really used any for

1343
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,800
anything properly before

1344
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:29,119
man

1345
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,440
just some text you just gotta type some

1346
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,800
text and it's it's done

1347
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,880
whereas i was like maybe i should get

1348
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,680
instagram as well i'm like what the

1349
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,359
what

1350
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,000
i don't even know how to

1351
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:40,800
use the interface let alone make content

1352
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,480
that

1353
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,359
is to be good i was like why am i going

1354
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,359
to turn this thing on

1355
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,880
as i plugged my phone into my floppy

1356
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,880
drive and

1357
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,880
shoveled coal into my car but uh

1358
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,119
though for me it was the simplicity on

1359
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,720
the face of it

1360
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:01,359
of like i can just

1361
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:03,200
type some words maybe put the hash

1362
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:05,119
symbol in in front of a permanent word

1363
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,200
and that's it that's a that's you know

1364
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,160
for a starter for ten you're off to the

1365
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,599
races

1366
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,680
whereas uh

1367
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,200
for all this other stuff there's

1368
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,920
all sorts of

1369
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,920
confusing things and um

1370
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,720
like for example in the uh

1371
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,160
the actual play podcast i'm in they

1372
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,319
were like we're gonna

1373
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,319
maybe we'll start up a subreddit and

1374
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:28,559
then they tried and was like what if

1375
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:30,000
this is confusing and there's rules and

1376
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,680
we've done something wrong and now we

1377
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,880
can't and now we can't for the next 30

1378
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,599
days

1379
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,839
sorry what

1380
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,760
yeah i i stay away from reddit i've

1381
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:42,559
tried so many times and i don't

1382
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,559
understand it

1383
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,040
i'm uh like a full-time reddit lurker so

1384
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,200
they're you know

1385
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,880
i kind of get it but i wouldn't i'm

1386
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,400
scared to post anywhere because it

1387
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,200
always feels like there's some

1388
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,720
obtuse rule somewhere that i'm gonna put

1389
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,720
step the line up oh you posted on a

1390
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,400
wednesday oh no you that was no posting

1391
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:02,100
wednesday whoops

1392
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,319
guess i'll say goodbye forever then

1393
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:05,920
[Laughter]

1394
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:08,480
yeah i think i've only used reddit like

1395
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,240
a couple of times i i love the home brew

1396
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,760
stuff you can find on it

1397
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,280
and then i followed like the subway one

1398
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,520
for a while because i had to take a

1399
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,640
part-time job at subway while uh in

1400
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,000
college

1401
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,119
and it was so nice to know that there

1402
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,960
are other people out there who are

1403
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:23,520
experiencing the same terrible things

1404
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,000
that i was working for subway which i

1405
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,400
i'm not employed i can say whatever

1406
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,240
yeah but i just read it for that just

1407
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,599
because again the memes and

1408
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:33,440
hearing the same experiences of

1409
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,359
everybody else was fun

1410
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,000
but i just i don't really got to posting

1411
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:40,640
on it um but

1412
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,800
it's definitely good for memes

1413
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,160
absolutely that's why

1414
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,160
i'm a professional lurker

1415
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:49,119
i was going to do some joke there about

1416
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,359
me working for subway and this all being

1417
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:54,079
an elaborate ruse to get you to admit to

1418
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:57,440
some horrible experiences so we can

1419
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:57,440
catch you out uh

1420
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,960
um

1421
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,640
for the last bit then we obviously

1422
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,720
talked a lot about irl

1423
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,319
communities in you know real life and as

1424
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:08,160
you as you would do as human social

1425
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:09,680
creatures i wanted to take a little bit

1426
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,720
of time at least to the show to talk

1427
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,160
about

1428
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:16,640
communities in in ttrpg so i don't mean

1429
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,720
the ttrpg community i mean i'm building

1430
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,160
a homebrew campaign setting and i'm

1431
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,079
trying to build

1432
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,920
this nomad group on something like that

1433
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:25,440
so i don't know if you've in and you've

1434
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,720
ever run any games or made in the

1435
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,880
homebrew played in the games where

1436
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:31,599
there's ever been some really compelling

1437
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,880
or interesting npc community of

1438
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,359
creatures or

1439
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:38,079
whatever that's made you go oh that's

1440
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:40,160
that's raised an eyebrow or i'm really

1441
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:42,240
interested to see where

1442
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,480
you know what happens there rather than

1443
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,400
it just being generic fantasy town a

1444
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,440
full of faceless

1445
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,359
minions

1446
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:53,520
that's a good one

1447
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:55,280
um i'm not a dm myself i have kind of

1448
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,960
tried a couple of times and i'm hoping

1449
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,920
to try more this year

1450
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,440
but i'm i'm not the best like improving

1451
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,920
like thinking on my feet and be able to

1452
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,839
like tie things in uh so i very much

1453
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,240
enjoy being a player i apologize for

1454
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:10,240
asking you these questions then

1455
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,160
no you're good you're good

1456
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,000
um so i definitely enjoy being like a

1457
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,480
player because then i

1458
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,319
get to rely on making the dm work to be

1459
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,760
like no do this

1460
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:22,800
because i never know what to do um

1461
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,960
but

1462
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,880
i've played in quite a few groups which

1463
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,880
is really cool again i've done a lot of

1464
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,040
one-shots so i've got to

1465
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,119
experience a lot of in real life groups

1466
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,440
at the table through many different

1467
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,720
backgrounds and personality types good

1468
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,800
and bad

1469
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:40,880
but i've done a lot of one-shots i'm in

1470
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,440
a couple of campaigns

1471
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,160
and when it comes to thinking of like in

1472
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,480
in-game communities uh there's a

1473
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,760
campaign that i plan on saturdays on the

1474
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,079
eos raincode channel and

1475
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,520
a previous guest of mine funnily enough

1476
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,400
that's awesome

1477
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,559
uh

1478
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:03,680
he is an amazing dm uh the worlds that

1479
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:06,000
he creates like he's he's amazing and he

1480
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,480
knows how to tie things in which i love

1481
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,839
uh so much uh because he's been able to

1482
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,640
do some really cool things with my

1483
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:14,160
character and it's been a lot of fun

1484
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,480
uh but i think

1485
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:19,599
one of the cool things that uh he's done

1486
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:23,119
is uh it's kind of like a cultist group

1487
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:25,040
uh so there's it ties into like the

1488
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:26,559
bbeg and like the different things that

1489
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,319
have been happening in the world and all

1490
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,359
the evil so they're the group of the bad

1491
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:31,760
guys

1492
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:33,839
uh but he's done some really cool things

1493
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,079
where like we've got to meet a lot of

1494
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:38,319
the bad guy groups the bad guys from the

1495
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:40,559
group individually and like one of them

1496
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:42,480
we even kind of liked and like had

1497
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,319
employed and like you know

1498
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,079
got like stuff from them

1499
00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:48,880
uh then one of them was like my

1500
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:50,640
characters like arch nemesis like she

1501
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,720
was going down doesn't matter she's good

1502
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,920
or bad that was my character's arch

1503
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,520
nemesis

1504
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,240
uh then we had like a couple of other

1505
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,720
like run-ins with other characters and

1506
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:03,359
so like when we had the big reveal that

1507
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:05,440
all of these people were connected uh

1508
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:07,280
and like we got to know them and we knew

1509
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,079
who they were and what they were doing

1510
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,839
like it made it so much cooler um to

1511
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,280
kind of see like

1512
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:14,559
their motives were definitely bad so it

1513
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,720
wasn't necessarily like we got to see

1514
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:18,640
them as real people and good people

1515
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:21,119
but we got to like see who they really

1516
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,520
were and to see that like

1517
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:25,599
everybody in the world was connected

1518
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,880
even the bad guys was really neat

1519
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,200
especially with our own group because

1520
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,760
then we found other allied groups uh

1521
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,960
like my favorite are the kishi warriors

1522
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,440
definitely check them out in the

1523
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,359
campaign uh there's a ton of lore behind

1524
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,240
them but basically uh

1525
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:42,240
to really just put it flat out uh just

1526
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:46,240
quickly uh they're basically like

1527
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:49,040
warriors in animal like shaped armor uh

1528
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:51,040
super like strong morals and beliefs and

1529
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,880
we got a kind of adventure with them and

1530
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,000
like they lost one of them and their

1531
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,240
party

1532
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,480
and like that was a huge thing like now

1533
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:01,280
our group has this huge like

1534
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,160
vendetta against the bad guys for taking

1535
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,599
away

1536
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,760
uh and just

1537
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:07,440
being awful and desecrating one of their

1538
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,119
party members because we're already that

1539
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,119
combined and then

1540
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:13,200
i don't know why i just love shipping

1541
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:15,839
characters so i've already shipped my

1542
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,680
character with one of the uh warriors

1543
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:20,400
and so like i'm definitely invested in

1544
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:23,040
those npcs and it's because we got to

1545
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,960
see them as people even though it was

1546
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,960
one guy playing all these characters

1547
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,720
they all had their own lives that were

1548
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,520
interconnected together

1549
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:34,160
and again whether we were supporting

1550
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,559
each other on one side or were combined

1551
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:39,119
in the effort to take down another group

1552
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:41,040
it was just really cool to see uh how

1553
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:43,599
all the personalities and relationships

1554
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,319
uh inner inner weaved whatever the word

1555
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:48,480
is combined with each other yeah yeah

1556
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:50,240
yeah as i said like it's so easy well

1557
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,559
let me rephrase that then it's very

1558
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,559
difficult then as a dm to

1559
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,160
to have that but the payout is there

1560
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,319
it's it's it's quite easy to have as i

1561
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,160
said like a his here's a fantasy city

1562
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:02,640
that's populated by fantasy people and

1563
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,160
everyone kind of knows what you mean and

1564
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,400
it is what it is but it's very easy then

1565
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,319
to just slip into that like

1566
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,000
murder hoboe i don't

1567
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:11,520
the these people aren't they are they're

1568
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,280
not really people they're just kind of

1569
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,960
stick figures walking down the road kind

1570
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,640
of like blurry out of focus because they

1571
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,640
haven't really been rendered properly

1572
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:22,079
which out to do for a big city but uh

1573
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,520
there are subtle ways to to

1574
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:26,079
help increase

1575
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,319
increase that resolution as it were on a

1576
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:31,599
set of npcs using my video game

1577
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:33,280
terminology again here uh

1578
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,520
and to make them interesting and unique

1579
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,359
but it is again as to loop background to

1580
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,599
what we mentioned before it is part of

1581
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:41,920
putting that putting that effort in to

1582
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:43,760
building community in game but then as

1583
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,040
you've just described it helps you to

1584
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,760
build your communities outside of the

1585
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,280
game too as as you know we've we've got

1586
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,200
a six degrees of separation thing going

1587
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,319
on here now which is great

1588
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,920
i don't know how many more guests

1589
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:55,170
previous guests you could mention before

1590
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,520
in the next four minutes

1591
00:54:55,170 --> 00:54:59,520
[Laughter]

1592
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,079
but one funny thing talking about like

1593
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,599
taking those like in-game characters uh

1594
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,680
it's really fun because i met them

1595
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:09,440
through the hope for ttrpg

1596
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:11,200
um and so our like group chat is in the

1597
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,960
discord channel it's just like hidden so

1598
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,319
other people can't see it but it's there

1599
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,680
we've got secrets uh but it's there and

1600
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:19,040
there's like these funny like i don't

1601
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,799
know if it's an app but where you can

1602
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,720
take a picture and then like it animates

1603
00:55:20,799 --> 00:55:25,040
the face look like it's saying whatever

1604
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,880
the audio is doing uh and so really

1605
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,280
funny thing that they did after our last

1606
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,599
huge session uh was that they took like

1607
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,599
the characters image tokens and like had

1608
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:35,599
them like singing a song that fits so

1609
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:38,079
well for their theme song and like that

1610
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:40,240
was just hilarious and a great moment

1611
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,760
that i was just like i love this we can

1612
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,520
take those moments in and out of the

1613
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,920
table and just laugh about them and

1614
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,280
create side stories while we're just

1615
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,960
talking together

1616
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,880
and that that was just a really funny

1617
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,720
thing and totally recommend whatever the

1618
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,480
application is if you have a theme song

1619
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,559
for a character find what that is to

1620
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,480
watch your character like sing it and

1621
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:00,319
it's it's hilarious

1622
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,599
that's like we've stumbled on like a

1623
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:04,319
really good

1624
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,839
role play motivation question there like

1625
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:07,760
outside of like you're at a bar and what

1626
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:10,090
do you order to drink or wine or beer or

1627
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,599
water okay cool what's your theme song

1628
00:56:10,090 --> 00:56:13,760
[Laughter]

1629
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,920
is another layer of like god why am i a

1630
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,640
wrestler now i get you know in a way you

1631
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,160
are a hero you're a star so yeah like

1632
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,680
absolutely what is your theme song and

1633
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,920
now i'm gonna have to go and think about

1634
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,440
my character's theme song after this

1635
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,119
recording that's my evening sword so

1636
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,520
thank you very much

1637
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:31,200
you're welcome actually my spotify is

1638
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,210
all just like playlists that i've made

1639
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,400
for characters

1640
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:36,000
[Laughter]

1641
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,359
um is there anything that you want to

1642
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,000
talk about that we haven't had a chance

1643
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:40,880
to yet i was thinking about this before

1644
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,599
like

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00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:46,319
what do i want to talk about um

1646
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:47,599
i guess a big thing is just

1647
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:49,839
there are a lot of parasocial

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00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:52,079
relationships out there too uh it's

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00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:54,000
great to interact with each other uh but

1650
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,839
it's also really important to make sure

1651
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,520
that you're staying true to yourself and

1652
00:56:55,839 --> 00:56:58,960
what you're comfortable with

1653
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,040
there's a lot of room for growth but

1654
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,359
there's also a lot of room for burnout

1655
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:05,280
so just make sure that you're doing

1656
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:07,359
check-ins with yourself on what your

1657
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,040
goals are and what you're you're wanting

1658
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:11,119
out of uh you know being a part of

1659
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,640
social media what your goals are and

1660
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:14,480
they don't have to be anything big it

1661
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,040
doesn't have to be like well i want a

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00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,960
thousand followers or you know i want to

1663
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,319
do this many things like your goals can

1664
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,200
literally just be

1665
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:24,880
i just want to find somebody to talk to

1666
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,960
i just want to get out there i want to

1667
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,319
just speak with somebody especially

1668
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,160
nowadays where

1669
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:32,480
uh in real life communications can be

1670
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,839
really cut off uh even just having the

1671
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,680
goal of being like i just want to find

1672
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:38,160
somewhere where i can

1673
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,240
just post pictures of my cats destroyed

1674
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,119
toys to just have fun talking with

1675
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,920
people

1676
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:47,200
go for it those are great goals to have

1677
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:50,319
and just be yourself uh and just have

1678
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,640
fun with it there are so many different

1679
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:54,720
rules and advice and tips that you can

1680
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,720
have when it comes to being a creator

1681
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,799
and even if you're not a creator seeing

1682
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,960
all of that can make you really question

1683
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:02,799
like oh well my social media pages

1684
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,400
aren't that don't compare yourself to

1685
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:07,440
everybody else because whatever you're

1686
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,520
doing is unique and people will find you

1687
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,960
for you in the right space and i just

1688
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,400
think it's really important to kind of

1689
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,640
keep that in mind because if you're not

1690
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,559
having fun and if you're not being who

1691
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,119
you are then you're going to get burnt

1692
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:21,520
out and just not have fun and eventually

1693
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,559
maybe even walk away from the project

1694
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,240
and

1695
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,920
that's especially in our space that's

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00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,000
not what tt rpgs are meant for they're

1697
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,160
not meant to be walked away from

1698
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,920
i believe they're there to be for you be

1699
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,920
there for you no matter what whether

1700
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,680
it's to have those characters where you

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00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,440
are using it to process something going

1702
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,520
on in your own life or whether you're

1703
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,520
having a character just to laugh for a

1704
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,079
night with some other people

1705
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,400
tt rpgs are meant to be enjoyed so

1706
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:47,680
whether you're a consumer or a creator

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00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,240
make sure that you're always having fun

1708
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,839
with it and that you are making sure

1709
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,160
that you're taking the space and the

1710
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:55,760
time for yourself to just renew your

1711
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,640
batteries that way when you get that

1712
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:01,119
chance uh to meet some new people and

1713
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,839
create your own mini communities that

1714
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,799
you can enjoy it as much as you can

1715
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:08,720
thank you very very um eloquently put

1716
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:10,799
there to bring us out of the show so

1717
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,839
thank you very much hope uh is there

1718
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:16,799
anything that you would like to promote

1719
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:19,119
oh goodness technically there's a lot

1720
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:20,960
uh so the best way to do it if you are

1721
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:22,319
interested in the hope for ttrpg's

1722
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,359
community or just want to get more

1723
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:27,280
involved in any kind of ttrpg community

1724
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:28,640
uh we have a lot of resources so check

1725
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,559
us out on

1726
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,799
all the social medias the twitter's the

1727
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:35,680
biggest then there comes the discord

1728
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:38,079
i'm on basically everything else and in

1729
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,760
my bio of any of those pages is my link

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00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:42,079
tree where you can find the links to the

1731
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,359
other pages an invite link to the

1732
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,960
discord

1733
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:46,400
there's a bunch of other projects that

1734
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,400
i'm a part of that you can check out

1735
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,839
there i'd love to see y'all on twitch

1736
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,160
because that's where i get to do a lot

1737
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:54,480
of fun things with the community as well

1738
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,799
uh let's see here on

1739
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,559
wednesday nights we do a brand new show

1740
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:00,319
where we get different creators on and

1741
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:03,520
different people in the community on uh

1742
01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:04,880
just a chat and play a rolling game to

1743
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,680
answer questions and get to know each

1744
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,839
other

1745
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,359
um friday nights in the community uh

1746
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:10,880
through the discord we get to do game

1747
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:13,599
nights so if you're interested in games

1748
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,640
like among us goose goo stuck jax box

1749
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,400
games

1750
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,200
code words and any other free to play

1751
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,960
game

1752
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,280
come join us on friday nights just to

1753
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,160
chat and have fun just playing a random

1754
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,000
game

1755
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,160
together with the community

1756
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,480
and then sundays is our community

1757
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,799
support stream uh where i hop on twitch

1758
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,040
and i talk about some amazing people and

1759
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:35,119
projects happening in the community

1760
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,599
and it's a great chance to gather

1761
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:39,920
together uh in the same space on twitch

1762
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:41,760
on sundays at 3 p.m central

1763
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,040
to just have fun seeing what's out there

1764
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,640
in the community and connecting with the

1765
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,480
others that are there

1766
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,880
so that's basically where you can find

1767
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,480
me lots of stuff going on uh and of

1768
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,920
course i also have a couple of affiliate

1769
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,839
codes so a few things like if you like

1770
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,359
things like t-shirts and dice definitely

1771
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:57,359
check out the link tree for that too as

1772
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:59,040
there's a bunch of discount codes uh to

1773
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:00,559
help support other

1774
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,040
creators as well

1775
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:05,359
awesome thank you so much as always as

1776
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,160
usual everything will be in the episode

1777
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:09,599
description and notes for those uh make

1778
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,520
it nice and convenient for you you're

1779
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:12,480
welcome listeners to click through on

1780
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,359
all these

1781
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,839
lovely lovely links so the only thing

1782
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:19,839
left from me to say is

1783
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:21,280
from yeah from me to say yeah that makes

1784
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:22,559
sense is

1785
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,599
thank you ever so much for joining us

1786
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,440
today i hope that was a really

1787
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:31,200
cool and interesting and dynamic and

1788
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:33,200
like meta discussion around ttrpgs uh so

1789
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,040
thank you thank you ever so much oh yeah

1790
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,119
thank you so much for having me i love

1791
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,079
chatting and i love being able to talk

1792
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:42,160
about the community that we've built

1793
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:44,880
ah awesome and i'm

1794
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,960
flattered to be the venue for you the

1795
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,160
medium through which you can do that

1796
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,400
otherwise

1797
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,359
as usual to everybody at home listening

1798
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,440
my own

1799
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:55,200
gorgeous little community of listeners

1800
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,520
out there thank you ever so much as

1801
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:02,160
usual for listening

1802
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:04,799
like follow spotify rating patreon links

1803
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,559
socials click me please that would be

1804
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:08,960
very appreciated

1805
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:11,039
otherwise thank you all for listening

1806
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,720
and good night

1807
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:13,599
and now it's time for the patreon shout

1808
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,760
outs

1809
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:18,880
thank you to robert hartley

1810
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:21,760
dm for viva la dirt league and writer on

1811
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,359
the dnd logic web series

1812
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,160
i would encourage everybody to check him

1813
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:27,200
out at robert hartley gm on twitter and

1814
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,440
twitch

1815
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,839
thank you to optional rule a two time

1816
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,640
guest of the show and a very insightful

1817
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:35,920
and knowledgeable source of information

1818
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,920
please check them out at

1819
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,920
www.optionalrule.com

1820
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:44,640
huge huge huge thank you to a great

1821
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,119
friend of the show matthew perkins who's

1822
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:49,440
out there making hilarious and

1823
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:51,319
educational dungeons and dragons content

1824
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,960
please go and check out his stuff at

1825
01:02:51,319 --> 01:02:55,440
matthewperkins.net where you can find

1826
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,960
links to all of his socials and all of

1827
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,640
his content including his own patreon

1828
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,400
which i would very much encourage you to

1829
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,359
check out

1830
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:05,280
thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

1831
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:06,559
on twitter for supporting the show

1832
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,480
if you need support running your

1833
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:11,760
personal or business schedule head to

1834
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,440
virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

1835
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,520
make that difference between should do

1836
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,280
and done boss it better with support

1837
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,599
from cat who will help you get back that

1838
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,039
essential time you've been searching for

1839
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,960
if you would like to support what we do

1840
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:25,680
and get four shout outs a month head

1841
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,200
over to patreon.com thinking critically

1842
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,180
or you can just buy me a coffee at

1843
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:58,400
kofi.com thinking critically

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01:03:31,180 --> 01:03:38,310
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