Adaptation

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welcome thinkers to season 3 episode 7.

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today's topic is adaptation

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[Applause]

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and today i'm joined once more by manny

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thank you ever so much for joining us

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today manny can you tell us again a

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little bit about yourself hi i'm uh

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manny at growed up geek on most of the

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social medias if not all i'm a

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just a regular 42 year old dad who also

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streams uh some dungeons dragons fifth

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edition on twitch long term campaigns

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one of which is an adventure module

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which is kind of the the talk of the day

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and uh one of them ironically enough is

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also a homebrew so okay okay and of

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course for those that that uh have maybe

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joined us more recently manny you

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previously joined us well hopefully by

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the time this goes out almost a year ago

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to the day for season one episode eight

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on emotion so

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yeah you're

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a veteran of the show

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yes and things coming first full circle

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as well yes indeed uh however the topic

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of today's is adaptation

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so what does that mean to you in the d d

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framework

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for

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me one of the things is that

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i feel in the kind of

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niches

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of like the dungeons dragons community

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there's this

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kind of negative connotation to

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the adventure module

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at the

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end of the day i think that

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i think it's unfair you know i've come

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to praise the adventure module not not

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to bury it

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and i think that what they've had is

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like poor adaptation

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of an adventure module and that has

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painted their opinion thereof

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and i think that adapting things uh

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whether it's movies or adventure modules

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is part of the the fun and the challenge

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and there's a bunch of great things that

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could come from it

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and if people would just let it

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let like let it be like like you know

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not kind of just denigrate the adventure

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module as a concept like constantly or

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to look at homebrew as like the superior

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version in that in those circles of

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the internet community

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no i think i think you're absolutely

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right i'm

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as you're aware my my long form campaign

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is home brew and i don't i didn't make

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that choice because i thought publishing

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mentioned module was bad i made that

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choice because

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in my arrogance i thought i could do

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things better

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which is obviously you know patently

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incorrect half the time um

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but um

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so so you say that there's a bit of a

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negative connotation around them which

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i'm inclined to agree with you know a

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lot of the

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the grapevine

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seems to lean that way and you mentioned

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is because people have had a poor

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experience with how that module's been

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adapted

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so have you got any you know

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what are those kind of poor adaptations

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and what are those kind of poor

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modifications that lead to that

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that bad taste left in the players

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mouths

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so when i was on the first time uh we

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were talking about emotion and one of my

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big like cornerstone thoughts in that is

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the idea of emotional investment from

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your players to get them

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invested in more than just

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whatever the you know the the scribbling

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on the cover says you know adventure in

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icelandale you know tomb of annihilation

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because of the way wizards of the coast

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operates and it's this is just a

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business

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producing mass media in a small way and

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saying that you have to make this

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attractive or palatable to as many

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people as possible

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not every table is the same obviously

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not every dungeon master is the same

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the pre-published adventure is

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essentially a starting point for

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what could be a you know an amazing

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campaign for your table

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but you have to be willing to do some

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work with it as well it is not perfect

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right from opening the book running it

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cover to cover

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i don't know that they're designed for

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and so if that's how they are run for

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your plot hooks are your own there's no

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personal narrative for

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the characters

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then it's very going to be run of the

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mill and your

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your actions

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affect the story but not your character

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growth or anything and that's one of the

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things that probably whether you know it

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or not is missing maybe if you've run an

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adventure module and you didn't enjoy it

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that there was no investment back in

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your character because they're not

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they're just not written that way and

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it's not

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it's not fair to expect wizards to you

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know handle that that's that's the

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dungeon that's where the dungeon master

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comes in to make

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an adventure module

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enjoyable and targeted at your your

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players not not everybody who's going to

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buy this book and i think

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that's where the concept of adaptation

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and the willingness to do so or at least

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the acknowledgement that you have to do

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is where people kind of come off

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of adventure modules and just expect

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them to be perfect right out of the bag

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and go hey why isn't this great you know

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i'm doing exactly what it says there

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they wanted 50 for this why isn't this

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working why are my players not having a

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good time yeah why aren't we having fun

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i specifically requested it yeah that's

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exactly the mean

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i paid the requisite fifty dollars where

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where's our fun

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i think everybody who i've spoken to

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about the published adventure modules

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whatever side of the the fence they sit

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their common theme is

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you always have to adapt them

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and be that in large amounts to be like

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instead of it being in this location

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it's in some other location and in fact

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the big bad is this other person that

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i'm going to bring in or if it's in a

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small amount of just being like

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that npc is actually one of the players

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brothers and they you know the starting

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village they're actually going to start

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in this other starting village where

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one of the other pcs grew up but there's

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always an element of

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adapting that published adventure module

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to fit that particular game

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here's a thought then here's a question

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that i've

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had since we've been talking

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maybe for newer dm i know

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you know i'm not expecting a newer dm

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just to rock up with like tomb of

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annihilation

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or whatever and be like i guess i'll run

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this because that's probably

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gonna be

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tricky

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to put it kindly

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but do you still think there's a bit of

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for newer dms to just expect

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laid out

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for them and if so is that not a failing

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somewhere in the system should should

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maybe the books be a bit more explicit

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about like

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i i i'm reticent to say like dm skill

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level because it's such a weird

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subjective

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abstract i think i get what you you know

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it goes back to the old you know

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original stuff of basic rules advance

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rules you know expert rules

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uh maybe a softer more you know

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modern kind of take on that and i think

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that's an idea

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god finish your thought i'm sorry

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well no no that was you spared me from

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trying to communicate it but

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it was broadly like

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and then it just feels like

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precisely why you said that there's

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negative connotations because a lot of

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people happen to fall into that trap so

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it feels like if it's such an obvious

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trap shouldn't there be something

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somewhere to say

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be careful there's a trap here here

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and what you know why isn't that been

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resolved perhaps it has and i'm just

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looking at a very small set of anecdotal

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i haven't i haven't read it in too much

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depth

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but and i'm not gonna try to give away

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too many spoilers but potentially for uh

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the new the newest one um which like the

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the feywild one

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is that

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this one um so lately wizards has been

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experimenting with kind of like the mcu

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their adventure modules and they're

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they're very dungeons and dragons but

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they also get like a sub genre a lot

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like the mcu movies did yeah winter

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soldier is more of a political thriller

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along those veins so they've been

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experimenting like with formats and with

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the kind of narratives that they've been

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telling which is i think is it's just

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and in supposedly in which light one of

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the formats

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is that one of the draws of it is that

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they want to have every encounter be

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able to be resolved without

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combat

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as a result

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because it's kind of woven into the

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system they have explicit

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outcomes of encounters players decide to

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kill

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do this

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players decide to do this non-violently

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here are kind of the requisites that

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need to be met

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in order for this to kind of be

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satisfactory you know

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adjudicated without it just being the dm

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discretion going yeah sure you know you

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you bribe the

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you know the setter or whatever and so

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maybe just because it hasn't been done

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it's try to reach

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you know seriously a much more

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accessible point in its existence

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i think that that may be the wave of the

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future uh

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5e adventure modules are

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i think way more dense with

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things than some of the older editions

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are some of the older editions read like

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a 30-page novella

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with uh a reference to stat blocks and

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that's pretty much it it's this is the

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story

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you know the players will do this they

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will then co here and there's not the

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same kind of

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like just grand built out things that

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from in older dishes that there are in

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5e

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yeah i had heard that about which light

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and that every encounter was

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meant to be

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resolvable non-violently which is a very

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you know that's a very vogue thing and

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it has been for quite some time and

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certainly in video games you know like

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games like dishonored and stuff where

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you can

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pick

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to incapacitate rather than kill people

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and all that kind of stuff it's it's

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it's obviously something people

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like and want so it's it makes sense to

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to bring that in

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is it is it true

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that literally every encounter in the

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book is is

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applicable to that can be resolved

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without combat i'm not entirely sure i

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believe that there is

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a basic kind of rule set at the at the

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beginning of the book where they give

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you you know the preamble before the

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adventure of proper starts i think

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there's something in there

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about it and then as it to

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potentially more you know significant

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narrative portions of the of the

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adventure they might be specifically

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listed for you know whatever the

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equivalent of a boss encounter is or

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surely whatever they come up with for a

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fake carnival themed adventure

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is going to have some some new wrinkles

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and new ideas

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in it yeah

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yeah i'm just trying to think like i

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don't know where i sit

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with that because on one hand i'm like

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i don't

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doesn't sit quite well with me that it's

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so

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prescriptive in the outcomes but on the

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other hand it's like you said like it's

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super accessible and everybody can have

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a shot at here and there's you know all

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different play styles are accounted for

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so for me i'm like ah is it it's kind of

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less

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romantic in a way that there's

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you know it's less it's been demystified

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you get to see behind the screen a

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little bit more if they

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explicitly say

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how to how to circumvent these

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encounters without the dm having to

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perhaps

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adapt on the fly to definitely bring us

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back on topic

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i think that it's also just that it it's

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it's relatively new as a concept yeah

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and so

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to see it written out

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you know even just once just to see hey

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this is what you know the design team um

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i'm sure jeremy crawford uh is involved

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you know this is what the design team

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and jeremy crawford

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feel like is

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balanced as non-violent ways of

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resolving these issues

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maybe just to kind of give everybody a

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baseline we've we've never seen it exp

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well at least in 5e maybe in some of the

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older ones you've never seen it

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explicitly expressly written out that

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this is what it should or what you know

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we deem a satisfactory conclusion so i

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think that as a as a baseline and just

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to go hey if you ever want to see

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what you know wizards of the coast

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thinks is suitable for non-violent

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resolution

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go go look at which light and go see

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these things and then from there adapt

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those to your your specific situation

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yeah i think that's that's you know

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considering my mind

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changed you know changed my view uh so

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on on that matter

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so i know that you have

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streamed and are currently streaming and

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planned to stream in the future uh

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publish adventure modules

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how much adaptation have you done to

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those

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i

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i am also an

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odd advocate for the pre-published

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adventure modules as i will fully admit

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to

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using them as a

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framework

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at best

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i like my narratives very focused on my

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players

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and so i

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for the most part keep large set pieces

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locations and the general framework of

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the narrative as a whole um we're

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running icewinddale now so

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the frost maidens curse

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the major set pieces in and around

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through the adventure uh we kept

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but

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everything kind of in between the set

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pieces is where we did our our character

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arcs our character stories so it's a

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it's two ideas smashed into one with if

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anything has to give it's actually the

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the narrative from the adventure module

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okay yeah i like that how you've how

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you've you stitch in as we were talking

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about earlier on the bit that can turn

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people off is that there's none of that

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character

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uh what's the word i'm looking for not

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interactivity but integration

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into the world if you just do the

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publish modules verbatim so i like that

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you've stitched them in between and that

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kind of

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immediately solves that problem if you

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give it time to breathe you know you

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give the players time to breathe and

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have those interactions and do their

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little little personal career

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side quests their side goals

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so it and it does take a certain amount

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of time um one of my players we are

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tomorrow's episode 37 which like i said

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will be the which will be the final

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episode we'll have the final encounter

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and do all that but one of my characters

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did not get his

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backstory character arc

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interwoven into the narrative until

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three episodes ago okay

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others got them relatively early um it's

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just where it fit within the kind of

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frame uh i look at icelandale as you

447
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know an entire

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series of boxes that you string together

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and i leave them as they are except

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where i need to take them out because i

451
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need to put something in there so

452
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as wherever i kind of fit this where are

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they going to be what's going on all

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right you know oren's story is going to

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be here

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balder's story is going to be over here

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and at the beginning as a new streamer

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i'm just hoping that everybody sticks

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around long enough to see their

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character arc

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and uh they all did and it was it was

462
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great they they've really enjoyed it i

463
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think from a player's perspective uh the

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adventure module is is great

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you know as a player for the most part

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kind of what you're getting somebody has

467
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seen this this isn't just somebody

468
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making it up sight unseen nobody having

469
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ever read it before yeah entire trust

470
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you're

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somebody selling this and making money

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off of it so if somebody willing to say

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hey i'm gonna run rhyme with the

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frostbane you at least get to know all

475
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right it's at least

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decent enough this isn't something

477
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that's incoherent and makes no sense

478
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yeah yeah very diy yeah and it's it's

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great we we've had a lot of fun

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we we changed a lot i changed a lot just

481
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i wanted it to be about them and it's

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just

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it's it's hard to do there's a lot of

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kind of narrative

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issues with the module you don't find

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out until you're a couple of months in

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that if

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you notice it then maybe your players

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notice it so you have to go about kind

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of fixing things you didn't know were

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broken until they happen

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and that can be fun it's kind of an

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impromptu they're going to ask a

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question about something that happened

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20 sessions ago and you'd be like oh man

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i don't remember what happened with that

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okay here we go

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you know adapting on the fly yeah

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okay well thank thanks for that segway

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because i i was going to say that we've

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talked quite a lot now about the

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you know changing adventure modules and

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and ways to do that i think the key

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takeaway from that is

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involve or get the players invested and

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get their characters integrated it's

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probably the the the single sentence

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silver bullet for

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improving the quality of life

510
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of your published adventures now you

511
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mentioned they're about adapting to your

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players and i kind of broadly think

513
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about that from from a dm's perspective

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in kind of two

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ways split down the middle so micro and

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macro so what i mean by that is kind of

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moment to moment

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adapting to literally responding to the

519
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players actions and

520
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putting up with their weird and wacky

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requests or actions or this that and the

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other and then the the macro side of

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things is integrating backstories and

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you know having npcs pop up from their

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past and that kind of stuff so

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how do you as a

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long long time dm with plenty of

528
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experience what are your kind of

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thoughts and tips and tricks on

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that kind of micro

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moment-to-moment

532
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adapting as a dm to maybe

533
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you know tips to for newer dm's that are

534
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just kind of like

535
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[ __ ] i

536
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i see so many posts online that are like

537
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i'm dming for the first time tomorrow

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and i'm hella scared like what do i do

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and

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what would you say to that person

541
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you know the obvious advice is that not

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everybody has to be matt mercer that's

543
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that's clear number one

544
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everybody's in this for a good time just

545
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you know relax

546
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and

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be the dungeon master you always wanted

548
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to have is the advice like i always give

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people

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and

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it's it's okay to say if your players

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surprise you first of all and enjoy that

553
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,960
feeling that's a that's a very cool

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thing

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as the dungeon master the more

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experience you get you've played out a

557
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pretty decent amount of scenarios of how

558
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your players could react to something

559
00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:16,000
especially the longer you've known them

560
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so when they do surprise you first of

561
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,200
all enjoy that it's a it is it's this

562
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,559
very cool feeling um it i just i love

563
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the hell out of it

564
00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:29,360
and then it is it is perfectly okay you

565
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are probably not running a live twitch

566
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stream and even if you are it's okay to

567
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,760
say hey i really got taken aback by that

568
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i would like a minute to

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figure out what happens next that is a

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completely

571
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,200
valid

572
00:20:43,679 --> 00:20:48,080
and

573
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:51,039
mature way almost of expressing that

574
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,840
just just be honest um you don't have to

575
00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:53,919
think

576
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,240
at the split second and come up with the

577
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:58,400
best scenario you that there's nothing

578
00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,559
that says you have to do that

579
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,400
take a moment give

580
00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:07,600
the time and the thought to

581
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:10,320
being fair to that moment

582
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,480
by coming up with something genuine and

583
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,960
thought out even if it's two minutes of

584
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:18,480
think don't you don't have to reply in

585
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:20,720
the moment if you would like to

586
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,240
if you know your group well

587
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,720
that is

588
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,919
unbelievably helpful in a lot of regards

589
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,720
you

590
00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:30,640
just kind of go with it they will enjoy

591
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,960
it and they most likely trust you if

592
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,480
you've been together for a long time

593
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,280
and

594
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,000
if

595
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,760
you are good at improv it's a skill the

596
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,080
longer you do this you will get better

597
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:45,039
at it and you absolutely will yeah

598
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,280
some of the improv moments are

599
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:49,919
the really exciting moments for a

600
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,919
dungeon master when you absolutely in

601
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:54,320
the blink of an eye know

602
00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:56,720
or things maybe just start coming out of

603
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,520
your mouth without without thought and

604
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,400
reaction those are some of the most fun

605
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,880
times

606
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,440
it's great when they obviously realize

607
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,840
you did it and it turned out great it's

608
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,080
even better when they don't realize you

609
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,240
improv and you just

610
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,400
turn that hamster on the wheel in your

611
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,559
head really quickly and came up with

612
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,159
something awesome that that's going to

613
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,320
come with experience

614
00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:22,799
knowing your group is a help

615
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,919
so don't stress that part it's it's

616
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,000
awesome and it's one of those things

617
00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:28,559
people really enjoy and one of the

618
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,840
things dms most brag about and players

619
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,760
really kind of

620
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,080
go crazy about

621
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,480
it's not necessary it is a it is a

622
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,320
luxury on top of the the already fun

623
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,679
thing that is playing dungeons dragons

624
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,520
that's the that's the point all that

625
00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:44,000
other stuff is bonus you don't have to

626
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,360
chase it you don't have to want it

627
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,520
enjoy it when it happens but you are not

628
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:51,600
less than or you know not worthy of

629
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,440
being a dungeon master because you're

630
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,880
not super quick on your feet there's

631
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,799
there's a lot of skills involved in this

632
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,159
yeah if you don't have them all it's not

633
00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:59,360
the end of the world

634
00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:01,200
no i

635
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:03,280
you know i couldn't agree more pretty

636
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,159
much everything you said there i'm agree

637
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,679
with

638
00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:07,520
a huge amount and

639
00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:09,280
it's the the things i remember from my

640
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,400
campaign which is now like

641
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,159
60 70 sessions long the things i

642
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,840
remember most are those moments where

643
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:17,280
i've gone oh

644
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,520
okay

645
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,000
and i've been completely caught off

646
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,919
guard as it were by by players doing

647
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,240
something that i hadn't ex and you're

648
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:28,159
exactly right about like

649
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,280
it's i think it's human nature for dms

650
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:33,440
to to try and at least anticipate the

651
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,360
you know pareto the likely

652
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,039
course of action the likely two three

653
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:39,600
four courses of action that the players

654
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:42,080
are gonna take i think that's just

655
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,480
common sense to a certain extent um to

656
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,799
at least anticipate them so when the

657
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,520
players don't do those two three four

658
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:51,360
actions it is very much a light bulb

659
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,640
moment i guess you're not having an idea

660
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:55,919
but you're having

661
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:58,960
something and it is yeah that is a very

662
00:23:55,919 --> 00:24:01,919
very exciting time to be and i

663
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,279
personally am very attached to that kind

664
00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:05,760
of like immediate

665
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:06,880
feedback loop of you know something

666
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,200
something

667
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,080
surprising happens and i'm literally in

668
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,320
the hot seat having to react and adapt

669
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,400
to it and then there being immediate

670
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,000
feedback from the players as to okay

671
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,600
that might have missed the mark a little

672
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,720
bit or that's rubbed them up the wrong

673
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,559
way let me

674
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,080
dynamically adjust that background that

675
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,400
that is what

676
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,200
gets me out of bed

677
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,640
on a

678
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,240
day that i'm dealing

679
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,720
and another piece that i wanted to add

680
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,400
there where you talked about

681
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,880
you know taking five minutes or however

682
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,720
long to to think you know of a response

683
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,360
or an outcome or you know the outcome of

684
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,120
a dice roll or the response of an npc to

685
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,640
a particular question

686
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,799
i think

687
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,720
that that that feels like

688
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,600
it's one of those things that every dm

689
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,919
does

690
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,279
but it's one of those also things that

691
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:55,600
newer dms

692
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:57,120
think that it's such a bad like

693
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,960
god i just have to be

694
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:01,200
responsive and the answer's like no no

695
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,440
man literally every

696
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,120
every dm will do that probably more

697
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,360
often than you realize

698
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,360
uh you know podcasts

699
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,919
can be edited so

700
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:14,000
any any silence just disappears and

701
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:15,360
likewise so can youtube videos and stuff

702
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320
so

703
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,480
there

704
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,840
is an adage that

705
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,559
for d

706
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,919
no game is better than a bad game

707
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:28,000
and what people mean by that is

708
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:30,720
that like the bad ex you know a lot of

709
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,159
people have bad experiences with d and d

710
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,760
and it's because they're you know it's a

711
00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:38,159
toxic environment they're playing with

712
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:40,080
horrible people uh the dm has some weird

713
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:42,799
different play styles that maybe aren't

714
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,919
what you're after and that leaves again

715
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,440
people with a very bad taste in their

716
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:46,320
mouth and then maybe might not try the

717
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,600
hobby

718
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,440
again because they've gone well that's

719
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,600
what it was and it wasn't really for me

720
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,679
so i guess i don't want to do it anymore

721
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,000
so that's like the worst possible

722
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:59,200
outcome and in those instances it's like

723
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,880
no it's it's worth to wait and find

724
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,640
a good match for you

725
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,840
and but just be patient and the same can

726
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,960
be said

727
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,919
as a dm to responding to those answers

728
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,240
so so no answer or a delayed response is

729
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:13,760
better than a bad hodgepodge response

730
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,400
that you've just pulled out your

731
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,240
backside because you felt like you had

732
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,760
to and i've done it

733
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,880
i've said it a hundred times and been

734
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,360
like ah

735
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,159
[ __ ] shouldn't i said that or you want

736
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:28,799
you want it you want it back yes and you

737
00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:30,320
know you feel it it's it's even worse if

738
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,720
your players are invested because if

739
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,360
they're invested and you who you know

740
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,760
hold all the the cards as it were as the

741
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:40,080
dungeon master if you give out something

742
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,039
especially if it's an important moment

743
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:45,200
like it's it's really unfair to your

744
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:47,039
players i you know i'm i'm not i'm not

745
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,679
judging you because i've done it too and

746
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:52,559
i've i've felt terrible about it

747
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:54,640
and to avoid those moments there's

748
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,440
there's nothing wrong with going hey

749
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,559
give me a second everybody who's maybe

750
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,440
newish

751
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,720
to

752
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,880
the hobby

753
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,320
has come to it from viewing it as

754
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,159
something presented on the internet as

755
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,480
any you know come to have that as the

756
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:12,799
expectation of the way it is where a

757
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,720
home game is is absolutely nothing like

758
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,559
that it is not even close

759
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,880
you do not have five people sitting in

760
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,799
the exact same spot for three hours like

761
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,880
everybody's up and moving around and

762
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:23,840
it's a more dynamic thing

763
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,640
and

764
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,399
plenty of times everybody will say hey

765
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,039
hold on one second i have to go to the

766
00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:33,120
bathroom and the game stops and that's a

767
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:35,279
very valid thing and nobody ever says

768
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,559
that's not a thing so for the dm to say

769
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:39,360
hey we're going to stop the game for a

770
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:41,039
second so i can give you you know a a

771
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,600
reasonable and

772
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:45,840
hopefully enjoyable outcome to this

773
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,360
that's not there there's there's nothing

774
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,799
written down that says that that's a bad

775
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:51,919
thing

776
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,960
yeah absolutely and i

777
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,159
you know i

778
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,840
very much

779
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:58,240
get lost and can't see the wood for the

780
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,760
trees when i'm deep in the in the dm

781
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,520
zone so it's so valuable just to be like

782
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,279
you know let me just take let me just

783
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,799
take a hot minute just to take a few

784
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:08,080
deep breaths and be like hang on let me

785
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:10,640
look at the bigger picture here because

786
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,679
what i'm about to say could

787
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,600
impact

788
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:16,880
the next you know 10 20 sessions or

789
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,960
however long so it does

790
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,919
especially with like dice rolls i think

791
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,399
a trick that i actually use as a dm for

792
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:27,440
responding to dice rolls i'd say like

793
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:28,559
middling importance dice rolls

794
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,679
is

795
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,279
i'm

796
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:35,039
i guess fortunate in this case have a

797
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:36,559
large group of six players so often

798
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:38,559
a couple of them are doing a whole bunch

799
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:40,880
of stuff simultaneously so it's very

800
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:43,520
easy for me to be like okay yeah you

801
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,520
know um

802
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,320
run me a perception check and we'll come

803
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,200
back to you in a second

804
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,720
and

805
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,640
i can just

806
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,960
put that to one side and kind of forget

807
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,720
about that

808
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,720
and that's my my special trick while i

809
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,159
go and deal with the other players and

810
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,880
then sort them

811
00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:02,799
stuff out and often that's all i need is

812
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,039
just a little bit just a little bit of

813
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:06,960
time just to be like

814
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,320
okay what

815
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,000
okay i kind of

816
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,399
put it on the you know like a sub

817
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,399
process in my brain so my the my main

818
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:15,919
consciousness is playing the game and

819
00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:18,480
then in the back it's always just

820
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:20,720
ticking over at like 20 efficiency of

821
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,159
just like the results of that perception

822
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,760
check so when i eventually go back to

823
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:25,600
royther and go oh yeah so what did you

824
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,039
roll okay

825
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,840
you see

826
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:33,440
xyz and i've already kind of got it

827
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:36,080
queued up because i've spent that time

828
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,159
which which during playtime haha no one

829
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,840
can see it's it's a very machiavellian

830
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:41,200
moment for me because i'm just oh look

831
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,399
at all these plates i'm having to spin

832
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,159
sorry guys in reality i'm going uh oh oh

833
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:48,080
i need to answer that

834
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:49,520
perception check quick distract divert

835
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,000
attention

836
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,440
i've i've done that exact thing

837
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,320
you use it as like a narrative

838
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,640
cliffhanger yeah like hey while we

839
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,480
you sit there and stew about whether you

840
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,640
know how this dice roll is going to go

841
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,159
let's cut back to something else so i

842
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,559
can look like we're doing this for

843
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:08,880
narrative effect but really i need i

844
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,720
need to figure this out and rather i was

845
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,600
like here's the behind the curtains dm

846
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:16,320
magic um it just like anything else

847
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,320
misdirection hey look over here yeah and

848
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,720
ignore the fact that over here i have no

849
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,320
idea what's going on yeah yeah it's

850
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,960
perfect it's a perfect crime because

851
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,960
nobody knows

852
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:30,159
look who pulled a nickel out from behind

853
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,000
your ear tada yep

854
00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:32,799
so that's that's that i guess that's my

855
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,600
uh

856
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:37,039
one of my little tricks and tactics for

857
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,880
for adapting to players but i'd yeah

858
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,399
again just just to

859
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,919
just to repeat what you mentioned

860
00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:44,240
earlier on about that

861
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:46,640
you know try and learn to

862
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,720
look forward to and to appreciate those

863
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,080
surprise moments because they that's

864
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,919
that that's the you know that's why

865
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,799
we're playing these role-playing games

866
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:57,919
is to have that dynamic surprise

867
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:59,360
moments it's not just a a series of

868
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:02,159
lineages yeah it's not it's not the

869
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,519
alphabet a to z and yay we got to z you

870
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:05,200
know yeah

871
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,200
yeah yeah you know it's not just the

872
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,960
linear predetermined events it's the

873
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,240
whole point is that everybody including

874
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,919
the dm

875
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,720
is along for the journey and is

876
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:18,480
surprised by the the meander that the

877
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,720
river takes along that way and uh i mean

878
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,320
i'm i'm certainly hyped i've had i've

879
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,240
not deemed for a month because of the

880
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,159
various scheduling issues now i'm supe

881
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,440
i've hyped myself up uh for tomorrow

882
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,960
night so

883
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,799
i'm happy with

884
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,640
this chat today

885
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:37,760
yeah um you know i i will say i used uh

886
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,640
the end of my show i try to let end

887
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,720
every episode on like a cliffhanger yeah

888
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,120
model it after like television

889
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,840
and honestly the most surprising thing

890
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,960
that's happened thus far was in our 30th

891
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,440
episode

892
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,039
our pacifist cleric

893
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,360
killed

894
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:59,039
essentially their

895
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,840
consistent npc companion who was there

896
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:03,919
for kind of the lore dumps and part of

897
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,279
the the narrative

898
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:07,120
and she was

899
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,880
she served many purposes both

900
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,279
narratively and

901
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,080
you know in the mechanics for me

902
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:15,440
and she was not a pleasant person but

903
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,440
not evil

904
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,320
and my pacifist cleric had just had

905
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,320
enough of her like denigrating the party

906
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,440
and being condescending

907
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,200
and

908
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,080
killed her with spiritual weapon

909
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:31,039
oh

910
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:33,360
and i i remember i everybody watching it

911
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:36,240
and zoom as we're doing the show

912
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:39,120
just jaw dropped as soon as the show was

913
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,960
over i went back and i screen captured

914
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,720
exactly that moment

915
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,840
it's it's clear as day

916
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:49,200
um everybody except him just mouth a

917
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,440
gape and it was it was great

918
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,480
and i remember thinking as it's

919
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,720
happening wow this is really great also

920
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,799
thank god this is the end of the episode

921
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,559
because i absolutely do not have

922
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,240
anything to do i was like wow look at

923
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,240
that what a great ending to an episode

924
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,360
we'll see everybody next week

925
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:10,480
and was just like wow i absolutely

926
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,600
dodged a bullet there i would

927
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,320
it was

928
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,600
within character to an extent uh so it

929
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,960
wasn't just you know that's what my

930
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,320
character would do

931
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,000
um it was it was a legit yeah move and

932
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,039
everything and just

933
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,120
everybody just was was shocked and it

934
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,880
was it was it was magnificent and like i

935
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,039
said i definitely would not have been

936
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,799
able to do the moment justice if it had

937
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:34,640
happened 10 minutes into an episode we

938
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:36,960
would have absolutely gone to a break

939
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,720
look man i know i know you just tuned in

940
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,519
it's 10 minutes into the show

941
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,000
i

942
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:44,559
i absolutely need a minute um

943
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,360
so i got i got bailed out there uh which

944
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,600
i

945
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,679
like to this day i i just look back on

946
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,159
that and just like wow i i could not

947
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:54,480
have given it the proper moment that it

948
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:56,720
needed so the next episode we pick up

949
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,399
like right after she dies but a much

950
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,720
more narrative

951
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:02,320
telling of it that

952
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,559
you know kind of built

953
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,519
the next episode from there and i was

954
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:11,280
glad that i had a week between the shows

955
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:13,119
to really give that that moment justice

956
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,399
yeah count count your blessings you had

957
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,159
that man because i'm just thinking now

958
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:18,000
of all the poor dms out there where that

959
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,280
stuff has you said like happens

960
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,520
you know midway or right at the

961
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,919
beginning and they're just like

962
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,919
oh

963
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:28,800
but i wanted to say um

964
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:31,679
what that the secret sauce there

965
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,720
that the really the really good

966
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,440
juicy

967
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:37,679
part of d d for me is that is that venn

968
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,119
diagram with the two circles and in one

969
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,040
circle you have

970
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:43,839
this is what my character would do and

971
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,320
on the other circle you have

972
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:48,079
doesn't harm anybody and progresses the

973
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,399
story in a you know in a way that makes

974
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:53,040
sense and adds more narrative beats

975
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:55,119
where those two circles overlap is oh

976
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,399
that's that's the sweet spot that's

977
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,480
where

978
00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:01,200
where basically all players should be

979
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,040
trying to trying to aim for that balance

980
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,560
of hitting that middle of that venn

981
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,200
diagram of

982
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,920
this makes sense in character it's it

983
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,839
was

984
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,680
feasibly something that they would do

985
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:13,440
but doesn't isn't a detriment to the

986
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,920
rest of the game and isn't stepping on

987
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,599
anyone's toes and pushes the narrative

988
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,240
forward that is

989
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:24,140
that is the gold dust that we

990
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:27,449
should all be striving for

991
00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:27,449
[Music]

992
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,079
we had a

993
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,440
level

994
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,440
17

995
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,520
uh one shot uh assaults on mount

996
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,480
celestia where they went and fought the

997
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,079
gods just because as you do yeah yeah

998
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,839
yeah it's if you can do a high level one

999
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,760
shot ribbon is a good source you know by

1000
00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:51,839
tier three tier four you're basically a

1001
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,079
god okay cool we're gonna go fight the

1002
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:57,359
gods there um

1003
00:35:54,079 --> 00:36:00,640
and we did it by domain the last episode

1004
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:03,599
the domain was peace and you assume

1005
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,800
level 17 um high

1006
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,560
high level

1007
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,920
people want to do

1008
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,079
their

1009
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,480
really cool

1010
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:14,880
high level abilities yeah they pick this

1011
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,200
character on purpose they they might not

1012
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,680
get to see it at this high level

1013
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,560
very often so you know you build the

1014
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,200
thing

1015
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:26,160
and you're fighting gods like we said

1016
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,480
and my entire party came built for the

1017
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,520
domain of peace

1018
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,960
by trying not to

1019
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,960
fight

1020
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,280
the entire episode the power of

1021
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,320
embracing power fantasy episode go fight

1022
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,240
the gods

1023
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:44,880
they insisted on being peaceful and not

1024
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:46,560
punishing the perpetrators and this

1025
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,280
other thing

1026
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,200
and it was so much fun it completely

1027
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,720
wrecked my ending it was a one-shot so

1028
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,480
it was a little more linear yeah in the

1029
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,400
campaign but it absolutely wrecked

1030
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,720
everything i had prepared just

1031
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,800
obliterated it i might as well have just

1032
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,400
gathered four people off the street and

1033
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,320
be like hey listen to me tell a story

1034
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,960
for three hours

1035
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,800
and it was it was so much fun and it was

1036
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,480
a surprise that took place over almost

1037
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,599
four hours

1038
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:18,160
okay eventually they're gonna kind of go

1039
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:20,560
out go back to the whole reason why

1040
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,640
we're here in the meta let's let's kill

1041
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,800
some gods let's go nuts let's use those

1042
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,320
tier four abilities and they stuck to it

1043
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,359
the entire time

1044
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,280
and i i had to adapt to

1045
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:32,400
this thing from the jump

1046
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,079
about halfway through i was like they're

1047
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,520
gonna they're gonna do this they're you

1048
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,119
know they're about it this is what this

1049
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,400
is what they came to do

1050
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,320
and

1051
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,640
completely unprepared for the ending you

1052
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,640
know you vanquish the evil god everybody

1053
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,560
wins it's a great moment you get to say

1054
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,839
you killed a god how often and these

1055
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,720
people were like nope

1056
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:51,280
nope

1057
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:53,280
nope we're gonna forgive the god and do

1058
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,560
this thing and so for three hours i just

1059
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,680
got to be wow they're just going to keep

1060
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,599
going with this they're just going to

1061
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,320
keep going with this all right maybe

1062
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,119
eventually they'll come around and no no

1063
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,560
no

1064
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,680
and then i

1065
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,720
just

1066
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,880
one of the positive improv moments of my

1067
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,760
dungeon master career whatever that may

1068
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,560
be

1069
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,760
uh completely improv to the ending and

1070
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,359
they they loved it it was a huge relief

1071
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,680
it was a

1072
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:22,160
hopefully the give back to them for me

1073
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,920
spending four hours completely surprised

1074
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,160
that hopefully the narrat you know the

1075
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,000
ending to them was was satisfactory

1076
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,599
because i got i got to be surprised for

1077
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,200
four hours and

1078
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,960
as a as a dm let's be honest that

1079
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,680
doesn't that doesn't happen it it

1080
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,359
doesn't for the most part you know chaos

1081
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,960
yes but just

1082
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:41,040
straightforward

1083
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,160
sticking to their characters

1084
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,160
which i should have known they would

1085
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,280
have done and i spent three hours or

1086
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,520
four hours adapting to this with a grand

1087
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,839
payoff at the end and go i

1088
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,680
i got i got away with it that could have

1089
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:56,079
gone horribly wrong

1090
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,359
and but i had three hours to prepare for

1091
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,680
them just to go all right man they're

1092
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:01,040
just gonna do this the whole way so you

1093
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,960
better come up with a peaceful ending

1094
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,960
where they don't kill the god

1095
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,280
and it it worked out it was it was an

1096
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,920
amazing time uh just to just to watch

1097
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,839
them stick to their character yeah and

1098
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,400
have like i said to have to adapt for an

1099
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:17,040
entire an entire one shot

1100
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,560
making it up as i go basically because i

1101
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,520
they just would they just wouldn't fight

1102
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,240
it was great that that is up man i'm

1103
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,320
impressed because for

1104
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:28,480
i guess the stakes are slightly lower if

1105
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,880
you've got the safety net of well we've

1106
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,839
got an infinite number of sessions after

1107
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,760
this one so if i don't do a great job

1108
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:38,079
that's fine i can kind of

1109
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,040
fix it but for the one shot it's it's

1110
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:42,240
like this has to finish and it has to be

1111
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,599
you know there has to be some kind of

1112
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:45,920
payoff at the end

1113
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:49,040
it was the season finale to our

1114
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,359
wednesday one shot show so it was even

1115
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,800
doubly that uh just

1116
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:54,560
you know and like i said i wanted to

1117
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,119
send everybody out season one season

1118
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,520
finale watch everybody kill gods

1119
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:02,480
happiness restored yay

1120
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:06,160
and instead i got hey watch them go up

1121
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,760
to mount celestia and talk it out um be

1122
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,200
really be really forgiving and

1123
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,800
understanding and see things from a

1124
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,400
different point of view and maybe

1125
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,640
empathize with the villain and their

1126
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,119
frustrations that's that's hard to put

1127
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,960
on the cover of an adventure module um

1128
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,280
it just it just isn't nobody's gonna buy

1129
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:24,480
that yeah

1130
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,400
so it was it was just a lot of fun just

1131
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,720
to do it despite the fact that i'm

1132
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:32,319
watching this narrative i worked on for

1133
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:34,960
quite a long time just completely

1134
00:40:32,319 --> 00:40:37,280
just be set on fire if i just lit pages

1135
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,480
of paper on fire while i was doing this

1136
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,599
it would have been the same thing be

1137
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,400
like

1138
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,839
yeah

1139
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,160
because they they

1140
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:46,640
turn into dust and in the in the breeze

1141
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,240
yeah yeah flash paper like a magician

1142
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,640
yeah

1143
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:53,040
well there's a lot but another uh

1144
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,520
metaphor there for magicians uh as a as

1145
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,040
being a dm i think there's a i'm i'm

1146
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,560
slowly starting to see it's like a

1147
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,359
mirror image of each other and i'm not

1148
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,119
sure

1149
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:03,119
how i feel about that

1150
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,119
it's it's part charlotte and part con

1151
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:07,280
man like the misdirection thing i think

1152
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:09,119
is exceptionally fair now that i kind of

1153
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,160
realized how it works and how you can

1154
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,400
make it

1155
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,280
absolutely apply to a lot of situations

1156
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,640
in this

1157
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,319
so

1158
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,839
yeah i just i i

1159
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:20,400
dice tricks aren't as impressive as card

1160
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:22,800
tricks maybe i know but that when people

1161
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,800
say you know the magic of d and d

1162
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,000
that phrase has another meaning to me

1163
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,160
now which i'm quite happy with

1164
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,720
watch me saw the cleric in half oh wait

1165
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,680
oh not that kind sorry uh uh roll for

1166
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:37,680
persuasion then i'm sorry

1167
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,960
um

1168
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,880
so

1169
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,800
we've mentioned uh we've discussed at

1170
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,200
length around this kind of moment to

1171
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,480
moment uh you know flying by the sea of

1172
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,839
your pants

1173
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,720
what about then

1174
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:52,880
as i said before this mac the macro side

1175
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,920
of things you know and that can be just

1176
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,319
as

1177
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,520
although it's not quite as

1178
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:58,800
immediate

1179
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,839
an issue

1180
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,920
it can be just as leading with pitfalls

1181
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:06,720
and so what i mean by that is

1182
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,440
you know some some players are keen and

1183
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:11,680
eager and all right and here's my mother

1184
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,440
here's my brother here's where they live

1185
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,000
here's this that and the other

1186
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,319
that was not intended to rhyme but i'm

1187
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,520
happy i did um

1188
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:20,640
and then you know you've got other

1189
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,880
players who are there for a different

1190
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,800
reason and i just like yeah i'm a dude

1191
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,800
and now i'm going adventuring and that's

1192
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:31,599
fine so how do you as a dm then

1193
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,800
kind of reconcile those two extremes

1194
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:35,599
and then

1195
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,960
question 1.2 is

1196
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:40,880
how do you adapt your setting

1197
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,960
homebrew or otherwise

1198
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,319
to accommodate those

1199
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:48,480
players that have put some investment in

1200
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:51,280
i think one of the important things is

1201
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,960
the idea of just having some boundaries

1202
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,560
wherever they may be

1203
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,400
you still owe it to the rest of the

1204
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,760
group to tell

1205
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,800
i don't want to say like your story i

1206
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,880
hate that

1207
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,000
kind of view of it but the story that

1208
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,000
you've

1209
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,400
crafted on your end as the dungeon

1210
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,359
master to share with your group

1211
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,560
that

1212
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:10,480
i think

1213
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,000
there's a certain amount of like respect

1214
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,319
you know there's always that meme where

1215
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,520
it's you know a bunch of wizards and

1216
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,880
knights and everything and then

1217
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,960
somebody's dressed

1218
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,880
like a modern clown

1219
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,839
and you know it's you know the meme is

1220
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,000
like when dms allow home brew yeah yeah

1221
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:27,200
and stuff like that and so like at the

1222
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,000
extreme

1223
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,319
be respectful of your dm and kind of

1224
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,560
find some way to make it work don't

1225
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:38,000
dictate you know i want to play

1226
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,960
a futuristic gunslinger in a low magic

1227
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,520
setting

1228
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,440
so i think i think that's just the basic

1229
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,839
one the other the opposite end of that

1230
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,599
is do your best as a dungeon master to

1231
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:49,520
make to make it fit

1232
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:52,240
that

1233
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,319
they want to play this character in

1234
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,079
their head whether you see it or not

1235
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:59,359
they believe this character will fit

1236
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:00,880
into the setting the story the campaign

1237
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:03,040
you're about to run

1238
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,599
and i think you owe it to them to try to

1239
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,800
make it work within reason

1240
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:10,800
and that's one of those parts is is that

1241
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,480
you get to kind of contribute

1242
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:16,240
and help

1243
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:19,599
kind of guide this rough concept to fit

1244
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:21,280
your setting it shows investment in you

1245
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:23,359
as the player players like wow this guy

1246
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,560
really cares enough to kind of work with

1247
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:28,880
me to fit this in despite it not being

1248
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,760
you know exactly what i want

1249
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,680
and the other thing i think

1250
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,839
is just

1251
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,280
everybody's there to have fun don't be

1252
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:41,280
so rigid about everything and

1253
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,480
make it a place for everybody that's

1254
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,520
that's the point of this it's a group

1255
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,920
activity and so don't just be like nope

1256
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,680
can't do it won't fit it in refuse

1257
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,079
doesn't fit my setting

1258
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,960
find a way to make it work if you can if

1259
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,119
it if it doesn't then it it just doesn't

1260
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,880
but like i said do your best you you owe

1261
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:01,440
it to these people who want to play in

1262
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,359
your game and to have fun um and like i

1263
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,440
said who believe in their head their

1264
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:07,359
character fits perfectly in this thing

1265
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,119
you just need to gear them you know

1266
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:10,400
guide them a little bit you're the

1267
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,800
you're the one that kind of knows the

1268
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,599
most and you owe it to them to try

1269
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,480
yeah absolutely i think

1270
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,839
i think because it is you know d d is

1271
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,119
such a

1272
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:25,839
pop culture vogue thing right now as

1273
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:29,839
such a you know popular thing that it

1274
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:33,520
has a bit of weight and and gravitas to

1275
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:35,119
it that people treat it

1276
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,480
very delicately

1277
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:39,920
when in reality just just it's the same

1278
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,359
as just how you should deal with your

1279
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,680
you know your everyday life and your

1280
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:45,599
everyday human interactions where

1281
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,119
a lot of life is meeting people in the

1282
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,960
middle is is

1283
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,200
having that compromise and that is

1284
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,240
that's not unique to to dnd that as i

1285
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:57,359
said that's just an element of being a

1286
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,599
functional you know uh nice human being

1287
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:01,200
a member of a member of human society

1288
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,359
yeah and then and that's you know that's

1289
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,720
it that's just that basic thing that you

1290
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:07,040
know we should learn when when we're

1291
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,040
children the same is said for d d and

1292
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,480
people say well no that's

1293
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,319
you know that's my character and that's

1294
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,920
how i'm gonna play him and

1295
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:16,480
it's like well no you wouldn't you

1296
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,920
wouldn't go to the shop and say well i'm

1297
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,599
only going to pay half price for this

1298
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,119
and that's that you wouldn't you people

1299
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:23,440
just don't do that that's what danielle

1300
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:26,560
would do

1301
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,280
sorry that's that's my reason

1302
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,280
uh yeah like so it's it is just that

1303
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,040
quite it's simple and it's elegance of

1304
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,800
just like me you know as you said it's

1305
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,200
it's meeting in the middle it's

1306
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,040
com i think maybe accommodation isn't

1307
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,040
maybe a better word than adaptation i

1308
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,960
know that's a bit of a bit of a faux pas

1309
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,440
for today's topic but uh

1310
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,040
we could we could

1311
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,800
completely i'm just going to go back and

1312
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,079
hack every time we say adaptation and

1313
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,760
change it

1314
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:53,680
adaptation

1315
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,839
do a really bad job yeah yeah it's over

1316
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,880
it yeah yeah

1317
00:46:54,839 --> 00:47:01,680
um but yeah that that that is how i i i

1318
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,000
think of it is very much a well

1319
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,920
that might not work as it is but let's

1320
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,720
work together to see how we can make it

1321
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:11,280
to see let's see how we can make it work

1322
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,800
together i think it's basically

1323
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,560
the silver bullet in that instance the

1324
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,200
panacea of just like

1325
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,920
here's a world that might have some

1326
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,359
constraints some scope you know be it a

1327
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,119
published event [ __ ]

1328
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:24,160
you know rhyme with the frost maiden is

1329
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:26,480
all

1330
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,359
snowy and of a certain

1331
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,160
theme

1332
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:31,440
and as you said your ghost clown with a

1333
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,960
laser beam

1334
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,400
may jar somewhat for most of the other

1335
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,520
players

1336
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,680
so let's

1337
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,599
let's see how we can

1338
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,520
shift a few things here and there to

1339
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,480
work it out together

1340
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,520
so

1341
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,000
we um just on on the snow so one of my

1342
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,800
players in my swindle campaign wanted to

1343
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,559
play uh lizard folk lizards being

1344
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,400
cold-blooded how do they exist in

1345
00:47:54,559 --> 00:48:00,079
icelandale where it's cold

1346
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:02,160
we came up with this idea of a boon from

1347
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,880
the white dragon cryovain they worship

1348
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:07,520
the dragon the dragon gives them a boon

1349
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:11,200
to allow them to live in a place that's

1350
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:13,040
inhospitable to lizard folks by most you

1351
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,440
know logical senses yeah

1352
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,559
and in that little moment of just being

1353
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,720
like hey man here's how your lizard

1354
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:19,599
man's gonna exist where it's called boom

1355
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,319
done

1356
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:24,319
we made it a kind of a part of the

1357
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:26,400
campaign that involved all the

1358
00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:29,920
characters they had to fight the white

1359
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,720
dragon uh in a emotional moment uh

1360
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,720
towards the end of the campaign

1361
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,559
but it was

1362
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,880
what started as hey man how could how

1363
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,160
can i make a lizard man work in your in

1364
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,160
this story

1365
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,520
a simple solution turned into this much

1366
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,280
bigger thing

1367
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,960
where i could have just said sorry

1368
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,200
lizard people don't exist in the cold

1369
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,880
figure something else out and we would

1370
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,920
have missed out on

1371
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:56,240
this not just a character arc for him

1372
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,079
but for the whole group the whole group

1373
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,920
had their own feelings towards the

1374
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:01,760
dragon cryovain

1375
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,319
you know irrespective of the lizard

1376
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,920
man's uh thoughts on it who was

1377
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:06,800
essentially his god

1378
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,119
and

1379
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,680
it started as simply just an answer to a

1380
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:13,760
question to make something fit and it

1381
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,720
grew into something

1382
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,800
larger which is a payoff more than just

1383
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:21,359
like i said saying nope sorry no lizard

1384
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,440
band too cold next yeah

1385
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:25,920
yeah i think i think treating them as

1386
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,079
opportunities to world build is probably

1387
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,400
the best way to

1388
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,440
as a dm adapt to

1389
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,839
the

1390
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,920
the macro of your players

1391
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:37,760
it's that moment of you know where

1392
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,920
everybody uses it as a writing prompt

1393
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,920
ask me something about my home brew

1394
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,839
and instead of it formed as a question

1395
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,359
it's it's a statement from somebody

1396
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:46,880
who's going to be

1397
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:49,520
in that world

1398
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,319
i want to make this character how will

1399
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,000
it fit in well i've never actually

1400
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:57,119
thought about that so

1401
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,880
let me figure out something here and

1402
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,720
while you're doing that you can just

1403
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,040
look at this and go okay not only am i

1404
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:05,200
using it to rationalize something

1405
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,520
appearing or to help

1406
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,240
my player flush out something in their

1407
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:13,760
story i'm also writing stuff that i am

1408
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:15,520
absolutely going to use

1409
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,119
you've somebody's given you a writing

1410
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,160
prompt of something that you didn't know

1411
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,680
was there or even had potentially even

1412
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,760
thought to think about yeah

1413
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,319
and you've you've been given a prompt

1414
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:29,839
for something that a provides character

1415
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:30,720
tie-in which is always gold and b

1416
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:32,640
is

1417
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,559
just like you said a aspect of world

1418
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,119
building that you had no idea needed to

1419
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,559
be done and now you get to do it

1420
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:42,240
probably do it a little more than you

1421
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:44,079
would otherwise and be happy for your

1422
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,520
player that they get to really

1423
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:48,000
experience something you put some

1424
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,920
thought into

1425
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,440
yeah i think a good a couple of examples

1426
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,760
of that that i've

1427
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,599
i've done

1428
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,200
long story short is my my my player

1429
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,280
characters are on the trail of a number

1430
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,280
of mcguffins for like a powerful

1431
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,359
artifacts whatever it is flavor of the

1432
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,160
week and they've had a couple of those

1433
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:08,160
chapters already set up from previous

1434
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,559
campaigns at iran and this certainly

1435
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,800
they're relatively tame or mundane or

1436
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:14,079
general like um pick up and put down

1437
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,359
kind of generic

1438
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:19,520
and then i'd left a few open-ended

1439
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:22,960
to deliberately tie them into character

1440
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:26,319
backstories which in of itself is

1441
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,240
pretty run rate um and then

1442
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:29,920
one of my players

1443
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,520
has gone with

1444
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,520
a total

1445
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,359
sorcerer which is

1446
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,960
as far as i'm aware

1447
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:39,040
kind of unusual

1448
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,359
and another one went with a warforged

1449
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,200
druid which i have

1450
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:46,640
put my heart must leave and say

1451
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:49,040
probably super unusual i it i i've loved

1452
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:53,040
the warforged druid as a concept i just

1453
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:55,119
i do keith baker in his everyone uh

1454
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,800
dungeon masters guild supplement does

1455
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,800
something to kind of address that where

1456
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,559
they're basically like transformers when

1457
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,480
they take wild shape sorry to get away

1458
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,079
from your path but like i said i just

1459
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,480
think i think they're i think it's very

1460
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:08,559
cool yeah yeah that's totally his vibe

1461
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,319
too and he's really lent into like the

1462
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:12,160
kind of aesthetic

1463
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:14,480
theming of it being all like he's made

1464
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,599
out of like wooden vines and bark rather

1465
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,359
than

1466
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:19,599
kind of typical construct but both of

1467
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:21,599
those posed very

1468
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,800
tricky questions to me as a dm to be

1469
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,119
like

1470
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,119
okay this world i was thinking of

1471
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:30,240
building wasn't going to have war forged

1472
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:32,000
in it but what are the implications of

1473
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,680
having this one warforged walking around

1474
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,040
who's made out of wood

1475
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:39,599
and i've spun out a whole chapter to get

1476
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,839
one of these mcguffins based on

1477
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,920
that warforged who he'd put in his

1478
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:45,680
backstory he had amnesia because he has

1479
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,760
been deactivated for a thousand years or

1480
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,000
something and i was like perfect you've

1481
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,440
even given me such a

1482
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,640
i can have stuff happen a thousand years

1483
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,040
ago and it doesn't really impact the

1484
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,880
campaign now but yeah yeah

1485
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,359
you know and all that kind of stuff

1486
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:02,000
and likewise with the with the total

1487
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:03,520
sorcerer i was like i wasn't really

1488
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,599
planning to have talk you know talk was

1489
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,119
wandering around but again

1490
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,200
what implications does that have on the

1491
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:11,119
world why aren't they maybe wandering

1492
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,640
around do they keep themselves to

1493
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:16,000
themselves on this little lost island

1494
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,839
over here and so on and so on so it was

1495
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,440
tricky at the time

1496
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:21,599
but i am much like you've described

1497
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,359
earlier on super looking forward to that

1498
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,200
payoff of when those players get to

1499
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:26,559
those points and go

1500
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,970
oh

1501
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:31,440
that explains the last 100 sessions

1502
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:33,839
[Laughter]

1503
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,440
you know those those are the things and

1504
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:37,680
and the worst part is is that there's a

1505
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,160
lot of stuff that dungeon masters plan

1506
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:43,119
out there that never gets picked up

1507
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:47,119
and so when it does even if it is 100

1508
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:48,640
sessions in it's still a great feeling

1509
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:51,920
hey you guys have really been paying

1510
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,040
attention that was a long time ago

1511
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,920
thanks

1512
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,200
it's

1513
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:59,760
that that moment's really great yeah i'm

1514
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,599
i'm really looking forward to a couple

1515
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,839
of yeah those those big reveals that are

1516
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:06,480
coming up just to really be like

1517
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:08,480
you know to the player here's this

1518
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,599
paragraph of text you gave me two years

1519
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,000
ago

1520
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,240
there is believe me meet me halfway

1521
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,599
believe me there is a payoff

1522
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,079
and am i

1523
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:19,520
fairly certain it will be worth it uh

1524
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,680
and of course they'll

1525
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,200
take some weird and wacky root to it and

1526
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,400
surprise the hell out of me but hey

1527
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,319
that's

1528
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,079
that's why i'm looking forward to it

1529
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:29,920
that's why it's called adaptation or

1530
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:32,880
whatever you dub it to

1531
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,000
in post yeah

1532
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,280
um

1533
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,200
there's one more thing that i wanted to

1534
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,880
talk about briefly

1535
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,280
is that obviously we've come at this so

1536
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,200
far from a dm's perspective

1537
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,480
but also the other side of that coin is

1538
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,920
as a player

1539
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,920
it's very easy to be

1540
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,440
self-centered has a negative connotation

1541
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,119
but obviously

1542
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,319
you're trying to embody a character so

1543
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:56,240
it's inevitable that you're going to be

1544
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:58,480
very focused on

1545
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,640
what that character is doing

1546
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,640
what i wanted to talk about is how as a

1547
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,960
player you could be more

1548
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,480
accommodating and flexible to the other

1549
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,520
players and you know say one of your

1550
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,640
other

1551
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,599
your traveling party does something

1552
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,319
weird

1553
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:16,160
how how can you as a player

1554
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:19,680
hit the middle of that venn diagram that

1555
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,640
i was uh defining earlier on

1556
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,319
you know we're going to come back to

1557
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,119
this one thing i was like i think a lot

1558
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:27,520
of it comes down to to trust

1559
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:29,839
you know the the explanation that's what

1560
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,040
my character would do almost universally

1561
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:32,079
comes

1562
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,720
at

1563
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:38,000
the worst time nobody ever uses that as

1564
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:40,400
a defense in a very justifiable

1565
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,000
moment like you just don't that is

1566
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,000
that is the hey

1567
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,319
you need to stop being upset about what

1568
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,480
just happened for this reason and that's

1569
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:50,319
that's just why that's used

1570
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,680
and in

1571
00:55:50,319 --> 00:55:54,319
in a group that doesn't know each other

1572
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,000
hasn't been a long very while

1573
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:58,400
you can see

1574
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,280
something that is unexpected

1575
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,920
and expect that to be the reason

1576
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:07,040
but it's not it's part of a longer

1577
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,240
longer character arc that the player

1578
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,559
is

1579
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:12,559
experiencing or part of within the

1580
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:14,400
narrative this could be the first thing

1581
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:17,119
that it kicks off their arc in their

1582
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:20,640
head that you are going to watch unfold

1583
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:23,359
as a both viewer and participant in this

1584
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,839
endeavor of playing this game

1585
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:27,520
and that's that's a lot of fun and it

1586
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:29,680
comes with a group that's been together

1587
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,880
for a while and you kind of can know

1588
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,760
these moments

1589
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,599
don't worry he's building to something

1590
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,040
as a player

1591
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:39,280
the other

1592
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,440
thing is just like we said at the

1593
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,799
beginning when it's from dungeon masters

1594
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:47,599
be willing to meet people halfway um

1595
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:50,720
in a couple of regards one with maybe

1596
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:52,880
the style of story as it's presented to

1597
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:54,160
you by the dungeon master might not be

1598
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,079
your

1599
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,680
you know your top hit your number one

1600
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:59,920
choice

1601
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,559
be open to

1602
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:05,680
plenty different kinds different styles

1603
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:09,280
of of games you might enjoy it

1604
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,760
be be open to that be open to other play

1605
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:16,000
styles other than your own this game is

1606
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:18,480
inherently a group of people and

1607
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,000
yes we talked about earlier basic

1608
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:24,000
general human decency in a group setting

1609
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,760
will go a long way

1610
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,559
if you're playing with somebody who's

1611
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,480
new

1612
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,359
be a little more patient you are new to

1613
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,480
once

1614
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:32,000
if you

1615
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,480
you know playing with somebody who you

1616
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,160
think doesn't act in character give it a

1617
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,160
little bit they might be building

1618
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,240
towards something that you just don't

1619
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,680
see because they're really invested in

1620
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,559
their character and the role play

1621
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,559
thereof you've done it we've all done it

1622
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,520
i get to do it you know every episode

1623
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:50,160
all day

1624
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:53,200
so just just be open to that you know

1625
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:55,440
most most of the issues of people that

1626
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,559
arise from you know group interactions

1627
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:01,359
and playing d d is more about

1628
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:03,280
lack of social skills than it is lack of

1629
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:05,440
game knowledge

1630
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,359
everybody you know the toxic person the

1631
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,280
gatekeeper has nothing to do with how

1632
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:11,599
much they know about dungeons and

1633
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,680
dragons it's because they

1634
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,559
a not an awful person but you know

1635
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,960
they're not

1636
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:18,960
presenting themselves in a positive way

1637
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,359
and those are the negative things you

1638
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,839
eliminate those and everybody has a lot

1639
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:26,079
of really good interactions those paint

1640
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:28,720
every probably not every but a good

1641
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:30,640
amount of negative interactions nobody

1642
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,880
really gets mad

1643
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,119
about the time the druid didn't wild

1644
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,359
shape when you thought they should but

1645
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,200
you know the time somebody said racist

1646
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:41,359
or sexist things at your table that's

1647
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,760
what you're gonna remember mm-hmm

1648
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:45,119
yeah yeah i've got a oh well a couple of

1649
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,440
my players uh

1650
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:51,920
i have a delightful mix of min max's to

1651
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,400
heavy role players and everything in

1652
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,480
between so so sometimes there is a

1653
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,599
little bit of a

1654
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:02,000
why did you go through gritted teeth why

1655
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:04,480
didn't you run away or why why did you

1656
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,960
attack that thing

1657
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,839
and it's like well

1658
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,599
you know

1659
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:11,359
they're still

1660
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:13,440
as you said learning the game and

1661
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:15,520
learning where the boundaries are i

1662
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,760
guess there's soft boundaries in this

1663
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,599
case uh of like

1664
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,440
how far can i push it

1665
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,680
with this character and and his

1666
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,720
interactions with other characters and

1667
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,799
that is

1668
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,520
different from a dm's perspective quite

1669
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:28,960
a

1670
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,079
an interesting

1671
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,319
thing to to watch grow to watch mature

1672
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:36,799
to see those connections being made and

1673
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:39,520
then perhaps broken later on because

1674
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:40,640
that player character dies or they do

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00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,280
something

1676
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,040
unusual because they finally as like

1677
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,040
your cleric example from earlier on just

1678
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,720
hit their limit and have said enough is

1679
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,480
enough that those are the kind of very

1680
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:54,079
interesting and dynamic encounters that

1681
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:56,240
uh i love to to see come to fruition

1682
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:57,760
the the we go back to the cleric

1683
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,720
situation

1684
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:03,200
there was definitely a change of

1685
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,960
the group dynamic not the not the

1686
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,599
players away you know out of character

1687
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,680
but in character there's a very dramatic

1688
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:12,480
change in

1689
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:15,680
the relationship amongst the group

1690
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,359
when the cleric killed the npc

1691
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,200
you know all of it within character out

1692
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:20,720
of character everybody was like you know

1693
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,640
that was crazy i can't believe you did

1694
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,359
that but in character everybody was you

1695
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:28,079
know i thought i knew somebody you used

1696
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:29,359
to be the voice of reason you were a

1697
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:31,839
pacifist

1698
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:34,640
this entire time and when

1699
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:36,960
needing to fight you always chose a

1700
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,400
different route and here you are

1701
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,359
unprovoked

1702
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,599
killing this major npc

1703
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:45,839
and it was

1704
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:47,520
like it changed obviously the next

1705
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:49,599
episode because we ended it right there

1706
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,680
just because nobody could think

1707
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:53,040
but everybody you know we go back to

1708
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,119
this thing maybe

1709
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:58,640
made the it wasn't just a thing that

1710
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,559
existed in a vacuum it was a new

1711
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,640
wrinkle to a character that everybody in

1712
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,960
the group thought that they had known

1713
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,720
and in character everybody kind of

1714
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,799
changed accordingly the barbarian

1715
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,280
thought it was cool as hell embracing

1716
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:13,680
your anger the wizard who's very or the

1717
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:16,079
artificer who's very nice and like

1718
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,640
accommodating was like hey it's okay

1719
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,440
but the monk found it very disturbing

1720
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,640
and

1721
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:26,400
somewhat of a betrayal of trust almost

1722
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:28,960
and it it played out and it still is uh

1723
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,760
playing out uh every time the cleric now

1724
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:35,280
decides whether to attack he's you know

1725
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,280
back and forth on it situational to him

1726
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:40,559
it's a character dynamic between the

1727
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,559
monk and him you know why is it this why

1728
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:44,720
is your first time to kill the npc why

1729
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:47,200
did you fight this time and not this

1730
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,799
time yeah and it's added this this

1731
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,440
dynamic to

1732
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:52,880
the party that didn't exist because your

1733
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,720
your party doesn't have to be you know

1734
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,640
happy and kumbaya

1735
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,799
i don't i don't think that's

1736
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:01,520
i don't know realistic is the right word

1737
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:03,920
to use as to how a party in dungeons and

1738
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,799
dragons is portrayed

1739
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,559
but

1740
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:09,119
any group of people is going to have

1741
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:11,039
disagreements and i think

1742
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:13,200
that when those surprising moments for

1743
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:15,039
the players and the characters happen

1744
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,039
that just like

1745
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:19,200
you know if you were to jump up right

1746
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:20,319
now and just start screaming at me and

1747
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,240
be like wow that's really going to

1748
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:24,960
change the dynamic of our relationship

1749
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:26,319
moving forward that i think that that

1750
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,760
it's

1751
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:30,079
it's good play

1752
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,160
to have those same things affect your

1753
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:34,319
character in game rather than just

1754
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,720
letting these shocking moments that took

1755
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:38,480
everybody by surprise exist in a vacuum

1756
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,559
and have everything go back to just the

1757
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,480
way it was right before that moment

1758
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:44,160
happened

1759
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,920
yep yeah as we said earlier on as long

1760
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,599
as it drives the narrative

1761
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,799
in a meaningful

1762
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,400
way

1763
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:52,799
i'm on board

1764
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,760
in a sensible way

1765
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:55,760
is there anything that you wanted to

1766
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,440
talk about that we might have missed um

1767
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,039
please say hey just thanks for having me

1768
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,039
on again these are always fun like

1769
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:02,480
talking with you about these things

1770
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:04,240
and

1771
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,039
you know it's about

1772
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,799
just

1773
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:08,640
like i said you know our takeaway from

1774
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:10,559
this dungeons and dragons discussion is

1775
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,160
to just be a decent person

1776
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,839
group dynamic

1777
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,319
and work with other people seek

1778
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:17,119
compromise don't step on other people's

1779
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:19,760
fun

1780
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:21,599
which i feel like is the majority of

1781
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,880
dutchess and dragons can basically be

1782
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,960
summed up into those things you're

1783
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,440
having a bad experience

1784
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,160
rectify most of these problems and you

1785
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,000
will get to enjoy this game um but you

1786
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,240
know while we're enjoying it if you're

1787
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,359
free of those situations just

1788
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,480
en enjoy the game uh make make it fun

1789
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:41,599
don't

1790
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,680
you know your your game at your table is

1791
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:45,599
the is the best game in the world and

1792
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,960
everybody's table is the best game in

1793
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:49,359
the world because you're running it your

1794
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,440
way for your players and whatever that

1795
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:52,960
looks like um like i said the last time

1796
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,680
i was on the show find out what your

1797
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,799
players want and give it to them have a

1798
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,400
good time

1799
01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:59,839
work the hardest you can to give them

1800
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,400
the story that they want and the

1801
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:05,119
investment they want and

1802
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:07,520
everybody worked together to make this

1803
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:09,920
this game fun for everybody that's it

1804
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,920
perfect thank you thank you so much for

1805
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,440
that manny is there anything that you

1806
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,480
would like to

1807
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,760
promote

1808
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,480
um yeah so we uh i run two twitch

1809
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:23,280
streams uh twitch.tv slash growed up

1810
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,559
geek uh tuesday we tomorrow well by the

1811
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,359
time this episode airs we'll go with

1812
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:29,200
that we will be on our second campaign a

1813
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:30,960
homebrew eberron campaign have been

1814
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,839
working on for two years

1815
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:36,240
keeping the same cast from our rhyme of

1816
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:38,400
the frost maiden game that's going to

1817
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,480
have ended and they wanted to stick

1818
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,079
around and keep playing so we're going

1819
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,720
to adjust to this

1820
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:49,359
and then in about three weeks a month

1821
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:51,839
from the time this airs january 12 2022

1822
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:54,640
we're going to be debuting our limited

1823
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:57,200
campaign on wednesday nights uh called

1824
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:59,119
dynasty of dragons that we're very very

1825
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,680
excited about uh with the release of

1826
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:03,280
fizbands oh yeah coming up i've wanted

1827
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,839
to do a dragon campaign that wasn't

1828
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,799
tyranny of dragons which i've

1829
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:08,799
we're not even going to get into that

1830
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,920
but i wanted to do a dragon campaign so

1831
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:12,000
we're gonna do a dragon campaign in

1832
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,160
january i'm super excited awesome

1833
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,400
amazing well as usual and as they were

1834
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:19,440
on the emotion episode all the links

1835
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,520
will be in the episode description so uh

1836
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,200
all that's left for me to say is finally

1837
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,079
thank you ever so much for joining us

1838
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,160
again manny it was uh yeah a really

1839
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:29,520
again enthusiastic insightful talk so i

1840
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,960
i i i

1841
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,720
had a lot of fun

1842
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,400
thanks uh it's it's always great being

1843
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,799
here with you i appreciate the time

1844
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,319
amazing no worries uh it's my pleasure

1845
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:41,520
to host

1846
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:43,280
uh everybody at home thank you all for

1847
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,480
listening please go and check out the

1848
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,160
first episode with manny if you haven't

1849
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:49,039
listened to it already uh all the way

1850
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,720
back in season one otherwise as usual

1851
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:51,839
check out all the links in the episode

1852
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,839
description and be sure to check out

1853
01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:56,079
manny's streams especially the dragon

1854
01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:57,440
one i would say next year with uh yeah

1855
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:59,280
being interesting to see how the

1856
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,359
fistband stuff turns out so it seems

1857
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,640
like a good a good place to start

1858
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:04,480
otherwise

1859
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,359
thank you all for listening

1860
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,960
and good night

1861
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:11,359
and now it's time for the patreon shout

1862
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,920
outs once again thank you to matt street

1863
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:14,799
at mpstreet88 on twitter for supporting

1864
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,079
the show

1865
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:19,079
if you need support running your

1866
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:21,280
personal or business schedule head to

1867
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:22,960
virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

1868
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,039
make that difference between should do

1869
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,880
and done boss it better with support

1870
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:29,200
from cat who will help you get back that

1871
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,720
essential time you've been searching for

1872
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,559
if you would like to support what we do

1873
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:35,280
and get four shout outs a month head

1874
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:36,799
over to patreon.com thinking critically

1875
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,440
or you can just buy me a coffee at

1876
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:42,440
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1877
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,440
bye

1878
01:06:42,550 --> 01:06:53,570
[Applause]

1879
01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:53,570
[Music]

1880
01:06:56,750 --> 01:07:04,760
[Music]