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welcome back thinkers that's right I

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haven't gone anywhere well I did just

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for a month or so but yeah we are still

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making episodes or at least trying to no

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big news other than apologies for taking

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so long between episodes if you're still

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listening to the show thank you very

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much your listens are still very very

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much appreciated the only other thing to

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add is since this last episode aired I

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am now the official DM for the current

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Campaign Of The Dungeons dce and dudes

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actual play podcast and stream so you've

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heard me talk about them before now I am

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dming Quinn is my Quinn days are behind

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me and I'm now running the show Nathan

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has graciously stepped aside to allow me

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to sit in the DM's chair we are running

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through my Ray Andor campaign so if you

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want to see me be a DM and a semi quote

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unquote professional setting check the

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links in the description or go to ddnd

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DP on any other the social media

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platforms or search for dungeons Dice

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and dudes otherwise we're just going to

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get cracking straight into to this

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episode and today I'm joined by Austin

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who goes under AC Wickham thank you ever

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so much for joining us today Austin can

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you tell us a a little bit about

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yourself yeah thanks for having me I've

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been playing D and D for about the last

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seven years um with the same sort of

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group of people we started off with like

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10 of us and now we've moved down to our

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more manageable six which has made my

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life a lot easier so yeah we're

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currently running our Third campaign uh

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which is in the same world but just

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moving different locations where

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everything gets affected by the previous

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one other than that I've written a

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couple of uh D and D one shots I've done

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a handful of call cthulu bits and pieces

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as well of also I'm I've recently

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published my first book Dead surprise

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which is based on my D and campaigns and

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the characters and plots and I'm sure

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that was going to come up a few more

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times as we go through this anyway

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amazing so is that on like DM's Guild or

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so the the book at the moment you can

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get it in waterstones and Amazon amazing

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a couple of tabletop shops locally to me

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oh cool merchandise and Southampton

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actually are stocking it too oh amazing

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but so yeah I'm hoping to sort of try

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and Branch out a bit further as more

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time goes on but moment I've been

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writing the second one just finished

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that so now all my energy is going into

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editing that for the moment the fun the

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fun of editing

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yeah awesome well that's that's great

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thank you so much for joining us today

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the topic of which is translation so

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what does that mean to you in the dndd

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and why the TTR RPG framework so when I

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think of translation I think of how

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something translates from a thing that

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comes into my head onto my notes and

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paper and then how that further

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translates into the game at large so so

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you know like there's this I I woke up

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in a cold sweat the other night at like

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2: in the morning and wrote down louer

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on a scratch Pad next to my table and

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then was like what on Earth have I done

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but then I thought about okay well how

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how would that make an interesting item

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or or feature to have in the game how

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how can I take this idea of the the

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inverse of a silencer and make it

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something usable um and then how does

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that then become something that the

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players actually find an interest or a

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use for so that's that's sort of the the

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you know just a general idea of how I

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think of that word okay so let's pull up

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that thread then because obviously this

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this as with all the topics on thinking

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critically it could be taken in any

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number of ways but let's let's start

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with that thread there then having gone

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through I guess the most extreme end to

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end of that process yourself from I got

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an idea to it's now physically on paper

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in a shop it's like that's there there's

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no more that is that is Cradle to grave

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so take us through that process then

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because I know most DMS myself included

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you have that thought process and then

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sometimes it can be so quick that it's

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in the game you know you've had that

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thought and then if it's already coming

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out of your mouth and it's in the game

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for Better or For Worse it's now in the

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hands of the players and that that cycle

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is very short very leaving something in

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the hands of players

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yeah do that as little as possible DM

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tip number

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one um but obviously from I'm struggling

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to find the word not professional but I

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mean it is certainly but more formalized

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process shall we say from that initial

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conception all the way to the end take

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us through that and let's let's focus on

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maybe the key differences from wouldn't

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it be funny if there was a banana skin

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on the floor that the players tripped up

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on yeah yeah Jo actually that's not a

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bad idea for just a a straight trap like

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you know I I to changent for a second

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there was a fantastic one I saw called

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the bear trap which is it's just an

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ordinary bear trap on the ground M but

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when you open it back up to get your leg

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out of it it just spawns a an angry bear

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nearby but yeah I in terms of taking

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this from an initial idea to I mean for

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for the way that I run my games is

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always very uh narrative and character

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driven so it's always what they're doing

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to affect things that are going on so

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usually I think more in terms of that

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line of like okay well here here's a

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cool idea but is this something that

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someone's actually going to find use for

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or is this just something that I'm going

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to give to them it's just going to sit

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around forgotten at the bottom of a bag

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holding for entirety of the campaign or

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something like that so we did have fairy

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Gunslinger as no no she well she was a

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an artificer who also use yeah pistols

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and because of her being a fairy

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character her thing was always about

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trying to be the loudest person in the

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room which is where I then tailored that

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to be is it became an attachment to her

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to her guns that could deal Thunder

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damage to anyone nearby but only once

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yeah which I just thought you know what

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what an extra way of just her announcing

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her presence every time she comes in

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yeah

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that's fantastic yeah this now that's

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just going to sit around and do nothing

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for the moment um but but yeah it's that

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kind of idea I mean it's not even like I

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think of um Brian sanderson's mistborn

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series of books right he's got um the

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protagonists and the special characters

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in that can burn metals that they call

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it to give themselves additional powers

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like strength or speed or this that or

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the other and I recently read through

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the first Trilogy of that again and I

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thought again what a fantastic idea like

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you have something that you could uh I

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think what I made is a is a it's a puta

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bracelet and you can sacrifice some of

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your strength score into it to call upon

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it at a later date so you're going to

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spend like 12 hours like zero to your

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strength score but then later on you can

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have an additional plus two on top of

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what you'd already have so it's very

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situational and something that you'd

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have to prepare for in advanced but you

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know I feel it's quite an interesting

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sort of mechanic that someone could

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choose to do that like if you're doing a

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a long Dungeon Crawl stuck in the underd

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dark for maybe a week at a time do you

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run the risk of sacrificing that now or

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do you you know how does that work out

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well that risk and reward is is

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something that I love in both when I

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play video games that Dark Souls of do

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do you want to spend 30 seconds chugging

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on that Esther flask but then you're

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walking around I know but to defend

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yourself like it's that that design

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choice is always interesting and it's

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the same for d and d and I've got a

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player who that frustrates a lot because

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they were creeping in through a tunnel

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into a wider cave chamber that had a

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bunch of ctist in recently and I was

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like okay with that role you can get a

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decent view into the the cave and he's

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like oh could I go any further to get a

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better look in the cave well certainly

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you could just walk straight in but like

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your stealth roll has to be like 50 at

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that point so you could try but and the

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the reward is you get a good view of the

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room but the risk is they're going to

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see you so it's it's entirely up to you

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and he's like damn you DM and you can't

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just walk around how dare you play it by

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the

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rules uh so yeah giving the players

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those options is is one of my favorite

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things I if you got any um like quirky

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items like that that seem very sort of

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situational or weird that you've

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peppered into your games or that you

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just know out that you want to use I so

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with these guys who we play the game I

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think it's you know a way to blow off

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steam and it's sometimes quite few and

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far between sessions and D andd is and

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they're like number one hobby so when we

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started I did have various ideas for

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various interesting items and and I of

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the stuff in zanthar which are more

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flashy like Caper billowing and the cane

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that turns into a sword you know kind of

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like just little tweaks to stuff which I

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which I love I tried to get the Caper

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billowing and all my characters um but I

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think through play it became apparent

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that and it's you mentioned it they run

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about a bag of holding full of items

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they they were pretending to be

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prisoners they took off all their armor

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put it in the bag of holding and when

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they got through and they were taking

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them out again they were like there's

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probably so much stuff in here we just

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don't know anymore we went through a

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joke of them like pulling out you

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rabbits a hat and like just various

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artifacts from Legends gone by that

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they've forgotten about so we don't tend

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to do too much of that stuff a couple of

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them are more you know minmaxed focused

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and and they're like okay I'll wear that

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armor because it's objectively better

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and I'll wear the nine life stealer

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because it's awesome but everything else

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well take it or leave it really Chuck it

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some little stone that shows me the way

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home ah put the Chuck that in the bag so

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no I did yeah one item I did make was

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they helped some refugees that's very

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early on in the campaign and I thought a

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nice little Stone they could have kind

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of like a halfth stone from Wow but it

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would always point to some location you

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designated home yeah you know no matter

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where you are what plane you're on if

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you use it it will say okay you've set

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this in as your home and it will help

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you get there basically because you help

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these refugees return home I thought

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that was a quite little like a nice

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little memory for that Adventure

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but maybe I was being being a naive

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newbie DM but adventurers never want to

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go home they want to go out on

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adventures

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so I I give my players an item called

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The Ring of leading which would which

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would lead them to a certain objective

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whatever they designated and then I put

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them in a maze which was Pitch Black in

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there and they went well we just the

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Ring of leading would just lead us to to

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the exit we just go straight through it

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and I I didn't have a good response for

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that oh yeah that was a bad decision to

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have given you

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that that I mean that is a dming 101 I

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don't think there's a DM that's ever

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played a run a game that hasn't had

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exactly that or very similar thought

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process of oh I didn't think that would

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completely trivialize that encounter but

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it's happened now so that's

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life so no I don't I don't have too many

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um and that that particular blun Hunter

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Barbarian who is very is there a

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mechanical benefit to this yes or no

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then I don't care too much about it he

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was let's I think it's fair to say very

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against the idea of getting rid of all

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his armor and weapons to pretend to be

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be a prisoner he's like well we're all

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dead we're all just going to die if we

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do that so I just want to make it very

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clear that I'm against this plan cuz I

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don't want to take off my armor because

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it's everything and I said you know if

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we're nothing without the armor then you

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don't deserve it and so on and so on

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and but yeah so it's it's give me

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weapons uh they got a uh it's a crown a

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gem of Brilliance or something where

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there's different gems in it that cast

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different spells that they they get a

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lot of use out of bag tricks where you

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throw out a little fluffy ball and it

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turns into a random creature they get

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quite a lot annoyingly for a DM's point

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of view a lot of mileage out of that

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because then I have to Scrabble around

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to

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find giant emu dust off the pages of

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those DMS guide that I'd never use oh

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okay this creature's now on the board do

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I have a token for that no

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unsurprisingly

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so that that's my ongoing the thorn in

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my side and it's it's like that Meme of

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I'm wearing the mask of like oh cool

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yeah us

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your I don't want don't make me do

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this so no it's unfortunately nothing

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too wild for me although the the other

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game I'm

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running they're still in their like

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prologue baby steps phase so once

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they're out that then I might try and

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test the waters with them and see if

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there's some more outlandish stuff for

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them but have you had to in that process

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of translating it from your game to the

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written page have you

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you know you you've got the opportunity

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there to take a really critical look at

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stuff and have you ever gone oh okay

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with the you know the clarity of daytime

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that's I need to I need to wildly change

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this item or this set piece or this

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encounter yeah there's been a couple

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times where I've done that usually it

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comes um the three hours before a

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session I go I go back over my so I'm

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just going to prepare myself and look at

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I look at oh no no four adult dragons

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s that's not going to work I need to

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double it yeah exactly yeah yeah they

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can always run away they don't have to

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fight them I don't I don't know if

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that's ever been true of any D and D

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player to see a fight and not and think

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we can just run away I don't know if

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there anyone's ever had that thought but

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it's it's possible it exists on paper

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yeah uh no I mean our first campaign but

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you know when I was starting to get to

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grips with it or there was a couple of

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items that I made and then very quickly

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realized oh no this this is this is

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actually making things harder for me cuz

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now it's they're getting through enemies

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too quickly or they're healing too fast

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or something like that and now the

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balance is off for this one player as

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opposed to everyone else he's he can get

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through everything no issue whatsoever

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and everyone else is struggling so

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there's been a couple times where I've

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had to rejig that um but I mean as you

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said earlier about um you know you've

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got this mmax player and I think I've

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got quite a good balance of some some

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people mmax and some people just there

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for RP with bad stats and you you do get

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stuck in that hole of okay it's going to

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be challenging enough for them but not

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so challenging that's going to take them

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off the board but yeah I mean we're

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still only early days with this campaign

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but I think now we've all know each

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other quite well as friends and now

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quite well as D and D players so

396
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everyone's got quite a good

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understanding of what role they should

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be fulfilling yes that's I love that

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that Rapport that you build is great and

400
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like when I sit down now with these guys

401
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I know exactly the kind of you know how

402
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the next couple of hours are going to

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take and you know how how it's going to

404
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feel and play and stuff and it is we we

405
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have a a player who is very much like

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myself a slave to the story first and

407
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then whatever happens to his character

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or what not he's well that's that's

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what's happened and that's how I tend to

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run my characters as well much to the

411
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surprise of some other players I'm with

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who are like but you're going to die if

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you do that well that's what my the

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story like that's how this the story has

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led us to this point so it's sometimes

416
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funny to see that those two interact

417
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because he's like well I'm just going to

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do this thing and the the Min maxer is

419
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like well don't do that because that's

420
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objectively foolish idea from a player's

421
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point of view oh yeah no I'm I'm fully

422
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aware of

423
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that but so his character actually ran

424
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away to he took um hit a cubic gate so

425
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he disappeared off to the shadow fell

426
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because he from his character's point of

427
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view the rest of the party betrayed him

428
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now that isn't technically what

429
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happened so he's like well I'm just

430
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going to chill out on the The Shadow

431
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fell for half many weeks and then I'll

432
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Robble the new character so he's

433
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he's oh okay we've lost callor okay fine

434
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didn't expect that to happen from our

435
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plan but moving on so now he's playing

436
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someone else and uh it's interesting

437
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it's always interesting that's the most

438
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important thing and fun of course to

439
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have all these interactions between

440
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players but I've here's my process let's

441
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go from let's start from there

442
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so I've put a lot of effort into making

443
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several kind of Standalone

444
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discreet chapters or arcs how you want

445
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to do them and then the way I run the

446
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campaign is they get plugged in when the

447
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players choose to go down that path and

448
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I've run it or several of them a number

449
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of times with different groups so the

450
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the current campaign I'm running on the

451
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stream is third iteration they hopefully

452
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getting a refined

453
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version uh and so through that

454
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process as I said I've kind of paired it

455
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down I've cut away the chaff bits I've

456
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highlighted the bits that were people

457
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found more fun and stuff so I like to

458
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think they're getting a very nice

459
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refined version of it now I know that is

460
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very fortunate for me to have had the

461
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opportunity to run through the game like

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twice before you know the third group of

463
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players get to play it often it's as I

464
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said earlier it's just I pulled this out

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of a hat and it's happening so and we'll

466
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just learn together if this is going to

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work or not one of those chapters are CU

468
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I was like this like I'm really proud of

469
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this one it the players really enjoyed

470
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it it has a nice beginning middle of end

471
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let me start to write it down and that

472
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has as many creative activ have done has

473
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just gone and started to gather dust in

474
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my hard drive as this word document

475
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that's never been finished because I

476
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found it a drastically different

477
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experience to being like oh I can't just

478
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make stuff up like I have to describe

479
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how this place looks I can't just

480
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improvise it on the spot because

481
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somebody else needs this needs this

482
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information now on the one hand I was

483
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proud of that I can improvise my way

484
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through stuff I was like hey that's

485
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that's one of my stronger elements of

486
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being a DM and on the other hand I was

487
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like this is an awful lot more work than

488
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than I was anticipating so translating

489
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something from even something I've run

490
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through twice to something on pen and

491
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paper was a very different experience

492
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for me so how did how did you find that

493
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interesting much the same I've um I've

494
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got an A level in like uh theater and

495
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media studies so whenever I picture

496
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stuff it's always from like an audience

497
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perspective and I'm I'm quite good with

498
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my like descriptions and things like

499
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that but yeah whenever I'm describing a

500
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scene it's like a two paragraph scene

501
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going into perhaps too much detail

502
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or it's the opposite where it's a sudden

503
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thing and I don't I wasn't prepared for

504
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it and I'll give like a very vague

505
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description and then someone will say I

506
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want to do something oh um also here's

507
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this thing um because because again I've

508
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got it I know it so well in my head my

509
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wife is telling me this all the time

510
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it's like no one else is privy to the

511
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conversation you're having in your own

512
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head you need to tell us what's going on

513
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you can't just start S halfway through

514
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and expect everyone to be there yeah

515
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yeah no

516
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I I'm laughing because the amount of

517
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conversations I've had with my partner

518
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where I'll just randomly start talking

519
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about something else and she's like

520
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sorry I don't I don't know what you're

521
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talking about now and I exactly sorry

522
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let me let me explain to you the four

523
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leaps I took in my head in the fraction

524
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of a second that took me from yeah

525
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cooking bacon to fighting dragons so

526
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boom boom boom boom so anyway about this

527
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,440
red dragon she's like okay thanks for

528
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filling in those those logical leaps for

529
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me yeah yeah they I'm in the exact same

530
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boat I I found when writing

531
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yeah maybe maybe a more yeah a more

532
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,720
reactive improvisational DM so when

533
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people that want to try stuff or ask

534
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like you said you know is there a barrel

535
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in the room that I can hide in off the

536
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top of my head and then suddenly now

537
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this room is populated with barrels like

538
00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:18,280
and it wasn't there before so I found

539
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:21,600
trying you walk that line between like

540
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,720
putting in checks for the players to do

541
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,400
and you know hands up I'm very

542
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,120
unfamiliar with written adventures and

543
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,480
and written modules so maybe I've got no

544
00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:29,799
you know frame of reference there but

545
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,559
trying to be like

546
00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:33,880
cater for every single

547
00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:35,280
check was was like do I do I want

548
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,640
Where's the Line in the Sand I don't

549
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,919
know is this going to be too much it's

550
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,400
going to be too handh holdy is this not

551
00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:43,280
leaving enough to the to the eventual DM

552
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,760
that may run this I don't know have you

553
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,919
got any thoughts or advice and that kind

554
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,480
of stuff I think it's very much

555
00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:50,120
depending on your your party so so I

556
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,280
mean like there your players that rather

557
00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:53,720
so like my my group is very we want to

558
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,880
follow the story and we're just playing

559
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,640
in the world and we'll we'll do what our

560
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,280
character's going to do but we're not

561
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,679
going to go off the rails and stuff like

562
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,520
that but then you get some um groups who

563
00:20:02,679 --> 00:20:06,400
you know they're all sort of yes ad and

564
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,159
they build it all together so I suppose

565
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,640
that it really is dependent on you can

566
00:20:08,159 --> 00:20:11,200
be vague with the details if you know

567
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,640
your players are going to fill in some

568
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,400
extras for yourself uh so I think for

569
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,120
for myself I don't do myself any favors

570
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,760
because I build such a detailed Rich

571
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:21,080
world that my players almost it's not

572
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,600
that they don't feel that they can but

573
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,799
they don't want to step on the toes too

574
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,240
much which is which is fine I get some

575
00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:29,640
sometimes I do appreciate that but yeah

576
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,480
I think I think that to be some more

577
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,400
give and take for that scenario so that

578
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,760
they feel they have their own mark on it

579
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,880
you know so I mean like I make sure like

580
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,520
I build in backstory stuff and dropping

581
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,919
characters for them to interact with and

582
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,360
things like that but I mean yeah I

583
00:20:40,919 --> 00:20:43,919
suppose it does depend on what your

584
00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:45,520
players are like in terms of how much

585
00:20:43,919 --> 00:20:47,880
you fill in stuff and how much you let

586
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,000
them fill in the other

587
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,400
details one of the beauties of the game

588
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,880
for me is

589
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,640
that bridging you know bringing people

590
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,600
together to to play the same game as it

591
00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,520
were in and by that I mean like about

592
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,320
stepping on people's Toes that I use

593
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,760
that saying all the time and it is such

594
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:11,039
an important piece of both playing and

595
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:12,320
running games of that that knowledge of

596
00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:14,480
you know someone's done something here

597
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,000
or trying to do something so let me help

598
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,279
with what they're they're trying to

599
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,760
achieve here and where th where that

600
00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:21,320
line is between like now they're taking

601
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,279
the piss or doing something that's like

602
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,600
not not okay and then you know you know

603
00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:27,760
working out navigating those Seas

604
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:30,840
obviously gets a lot easier than you the

605
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,320
group kind of gels yeah the better the

606
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,799
group knows each other the easier that

607
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,440
sort of thing is um but yeah I mean

608
00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:38,559
you're right it's letting players have

609
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:41,080
their own agency but not letting that

610
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:45,720
agency ruin someone else's agency I

611
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:47,360
suppose yeah so let's let's take us

612
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,480
through then you've you've got a call

613
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:53,320
idea for an encounter or a story or a

614
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,760
chapter or whatever it may be how do you

615
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,799
go through that creative process of from

616
00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:02,600
one word or from wouldn't it be cool if

617
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:04,520
to I'm playing it in in in a game yeah

618
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,640
so the The Arc they're sort of doing at

619
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:10,559
the moment started off with this idea of

620
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:13,000
uh what if you had what if you had a

621
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:15,360
null body that was being controlled via

622
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,480
Crystal Ball by a witch somewhere who's

623
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:19,400
just messing with the players in a

624
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:22,000
forest and just started building bits

625
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,400
and pieces from there say okay well you

626
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,440
know let's make this Forest creepy and

627
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,679
let's add in Arcane symbols okay well

628
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,440
let's make those Arcane symbols give

629
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:31,279
them some negative effects if they stare

630
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,600
at them too long because that's also fun

631
00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:35,279
why they going to this forest in the

632
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,400
first place and you know so so so that's

633
00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:39,320
the that's how I started with that is

634
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,360
wouldn't that be a cool encounter and

635
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,159
then backtrack to that ascept okay why

636
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,200
would they go here I mean they're

637
00:22:43,159 --> 00:22:47,240
working at the moment for this country

638
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,960
as sort of military contractors I

639
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,600
suppose to just keep things in check

640
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,279
whilst the arm's off doing other stuff

641
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,799
so okay there's a squad that's gone

642
00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:56,279
missing let's go and investigate what's

643
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:59,200
happened here and everything just

644
00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:01,440
spirals down from there and then I've

645
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,559
been there's a there's someone who does

646
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,600
I think I think they call it a three

647
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:07,520
encounter Rule and you have like three

648
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,720
big encounters that are taxing but

649
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,120
they're not overly bad and then you

650
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,720
pepper a few other little bits and

651
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,720
pieces throughout that's kind of the

652
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,919
sort of rule I go to so you know there

653
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,640
was a there was an initial encounter

654
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,840
with some Bandits which was fine then

655
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,919
they got attacked by some snakes and

656
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,200
some spiders then the actual Undead NS

657
00:23:20,919 --> 00:23:25,200
appear and but you know the snakes and

658
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,919
spiders aren't going to take them down

659
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,320
it's just it's burning up their

660
00:23:26,919 --> 00:23:30,880
resources a little

661
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,840
um and then I sort of once I've got all

662
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,039
these bits and pieces I try and put them

663
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,480
in an order of how things are going to

664
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:39,440
run from there so all of that make

665
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,840
sense there's several things I wanted to

666
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,440
talk about that I I thing I'm not very

667
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,720
good at as a DM is obviously you have

668
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,880
that onance of what the future

669
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,600
encounters could be for the party so

670
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,080
when people like spaffing two spell

671
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,080
slots on what should be a triv encounter

672
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,919
I find it very hard to be like are you

673
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,400
sure you want to do that uh cuz there

674
00:23:58,919 --> 00:24:02,720
might be something difficult coming up

675
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,480
soon whereas at the player I love those

676
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,880
being like do I want to do you know like

677
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,640
I stor or Fireball or should I just can

678
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,480
trip again like that's obviously a very

679
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,120
interesting decision to make from a from

680
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,640
a player's point of view and yeah having

681
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:16,200
that visibility of future encounters is

682
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,440
always like like my guys are literally

683
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,400
about to fight a dragon I'm hoping that

684
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,760
they'll have done that before this

685
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,559
episode goes out yeah I know I'm being

686
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:28,960
cautious for what I said in case my play

687
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:31,320
listen and they are not at 100% rested

688
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,360
so I'm I'm dubious as to how well that

689
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:37,279
fight is going to go because they did

690
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:40,080
because yeah wizard did both alter self

691
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,840
and disguise self to make him change his

692
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,720
race hand what clothes he's wearing I

693
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,760
was like you're G to spend both both

694
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,080
those spell slots yeah I'm just sneaking

695
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:51,279
past some CS yeah cool okay no we're

696
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,720
done but from as a DM's perspective what

697
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:56,240
was really nice again from experience

698
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,000
from being a player you know the value

699
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,200
of that ex that resource that that

700
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,520
player is expended so from a DM's point

701
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,960
of view it's really nice to be able to

702
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:07,039
adjust the encounter accordingly so I

703
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,279
know that was quite quote unquote

704
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:11,279
expensive so I was like you know what

705
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:13,279
it's going to work pretty well like they

706
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,159
he's he's spent a lot to try and get the

707
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:17,000
party through this area and it would be

708
00:25:15,159 --> 00:25:18,720
so dickish of me to be like oh the

709
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,720
guards seized you through your disguise

710
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,679
and that's it and you've wasted it

711
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,000
because that's just going to feel crap

712
00:25:20,679 --> 00:25:25,559
so from it's nice to be like okay I'll

713
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,360
get him to roll a few performance checks

714
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:29,679
a few you know deception checks keep

715
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:32,000
keep the there and if you roll a one

716
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:33,799
then things are going to get a bit spicy

717
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,640
that's um to go back to what we saying

718
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,640
earlier about rereading over notes and

719
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,520
adjusting the counters as you sort of

720
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,559
come up to the sessions we did this Arc

721
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,720
over like three or four sessions um and

722
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:47,159
yeah it was a case of uh I think after

723
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,880
the first session they they Charmed a

724
00:25:47,159 --> 00:25:50,399
snake um which one of them could speak

725
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,480
to and was just helping them guide

726
00:25:50,399 --> 00:25:53,279
through the forest like okay well I'm

727
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,000
going to put in some notes for the next

728
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,480
session about the snake then I also know

729
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,559
one of them went down so let's take a

730
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,520
couple of these goons out so they've got

731
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:03,720
a bit extra buffer chance yeah yeah no I

732
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,360
mean the the sentence Charmed a snake

733
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,399
that one of them can talk to is

734
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:09,640
brilliant

735
00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:11,360
that that would be the snippet of this

736
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,039
episode I was like it's just it's just a

737
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:15,080
snake you can just kill it and then went

738
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:18,159
but while I do that I can talk to

739
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:22,200
him yeah I guess you

740
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:24,760
can so yeah I I that is I love that

741
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,559
Dynamic response to to players and that

742
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,120
ended up being like fantastic I I said

743
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,200
to them I was like behind the screen I

744
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,279
don't often like to share my thought

745
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,919
processess behind the screen but this

746
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:34,120
one I have to tell you I honestly sat

747
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:35,440
down today and thought you're going to

748
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:37,360
see a bunch of csts you're going to

749
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,720
fight them you clear out the room and

750
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,840
then I'll call the session there because

751
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,120
that'll be nice at at time to call it

752
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,600
sure and instead they stuckart I got the

753
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:47,279
monk crawling on the ceiling like Golem

754
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,840
doing scouting the three of you

755
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,600
disguising your way through I was like

756
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,480
that completely did not go how I want

757
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:58,120
but I'm very glad it went that way

758
00:26:53,480 --> 00:27:00,559
surprised that so yeah it's a lot of

759
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:03,640
refinement I guess for me at least

760
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:06,640
through both reviewing it ahead of time

761
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:09,360
and dynamically during the session

762
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,760
that's all part of the fun as a DM is is

763
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,600
reanalyzing repearing re changing

764
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,200
tweaking on the fly to make sure that

765
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,960
everything fits in well for everyone and

766
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,039
the other thing I wanted to discuss and

767
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,159
it's something I the reason why I POS

768
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:25,320
the question in the way I did which was

769
00:27:23,159 --> 00:27:28,120
how do you go from I've got a cool idea

770
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,320
to then like try and plug that square

771
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:33,679
peg into the round hole of of the

772
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:36,159
campaign is is tricky sometimes I've

773
00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:38,880
taken some you know creative license

774
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:40,799
with locations or like you know

775
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,559
Geographic formations that frankly would

776
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:46,679
never exist in the real like phys we

777
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:49,279
know it there's a big Cliff here because

778
00:27:46,679 --> 00:27:50,360
that's how the plates have worked in

779
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:53,880
this

780
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:56,360
world but yeah how do you do that then

781
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,399
from you know cuz I I hate to waste a

782
00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,159
cool idea so if if I've got one it's

783
00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:01,720
going to find its way in maybe not today

784
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:03,640
maybe not tomorrow but at some point in

785
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,880
the campaign I'll try and and squeeze it

786
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:09,679
in and if that means that suddenly durar

787
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,279
are now a half as well then that's a

788
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:14,519
problem for future danow for danow

789
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:16,320
tomorrow are you the same how do you

790
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:19,240
what are your T tips and tricks for like

791
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,799
bringing in cool ideas yeah I suppose

792
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,919
that is it's a tough one is it's just

793
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:26,320
finding a way that makes them work uh I

794
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:28,559
you know I'm in much of a similar way I

795
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,120
we did our campaign too I said there

796
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:32,120
there just no war forged just I just

797
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:33,399
didn't want to have that as being part

798
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,799
of it because they weren't in campaigned

799
00:28:33,399 --> 00:28:37,799
one and all that kind of stuff no

800
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:39,159
absolutely and then uh like I was also

801
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,399
like but actually this would be a really

802
00:28:39,159 --> 00:28:43,840
interesting dynamic because the way that

803
00:28:41,399 --> 00:28:46,480
the culture is set at the moment in that

804
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,399
land Orcs are just actively hated and

805
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,000
hunted down and one of the players is an

806
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:52,640
orc who's got a writ saying that they're

807
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,960
allowed to just exist um and I thought

808
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,919
well that's good let's bring in another

809
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,679
interesting dnic let's bring in a race

810
00:28:55,919 --> 00:29:01,039
of people who aren't ual people as it

811
00:28:58,679 --> 00:29:03,600
were yeah and do that and I made that

812
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:05,480
part of like a whole end dark just for

813
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,120
the sake of having like a a couple

814
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,240
sessions of of players having to deal

815
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,000
with the Fallout of that yeah but you're

816
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,600
right it's yes I've I've got I do all of

817
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,440
my notes for everything on one note and

818
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,000
I've just got one page which is just

819
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,960
ideas question mark it's just every

820
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,279
single page is just listed there with

821
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,000
here what what if they came across a

822
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,600
young dragon who's just trying to build

823
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,080
a nest for himself and they don't have

824
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,679
to kill him see see how can work that in

825
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,240
there somehow MH yeah I I also have a

826
00:29:30,679 --> 00:29:35,559
page of like ideas thrown down that some

827
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,919
are just like to like someone's name

828
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:39,120
like that sounds like a cool name let me

829
00:29:36,919 --> 00:29:40,679
find somebody to use that yeah yeah when

830
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,240
you're U like sort of planning your

831
00:29:40,679 --> 00:29:44,039
sessions and coming up with new ideas

832
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,120
and items and things like that how how

833
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:48,480
much into the mechanics do you dive into

834
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,880
like balancing for it do you just go I

835
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,880
want it to be able to do this and it's

836
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,120
going to do this much damage or do you

837
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,519
like find something similar and then try

838
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,840
and match it up or do you not do any of

839
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:03,120
that oh a little colum a and a little

840
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,679
column B so my big thing which is

841
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,120
contradicting stuff I said earlier on

842
00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:08,600
but I like I like most stuff to be

843
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,720
congruent in the world like it make it

844
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,799
makes sense I'm not a fan of random

845
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,760
encounter tables you know you're

846
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,559
traveling down let me roll oh suddenly a

847
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,000
fluck of SE gos are attacking you and

848
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,679
now we roll initiative again that just

849
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,080
slows down the campaign slows down

850
00:30:20,679 --> 00:30:24,720
getting to speak to the mayor slows down

851
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,600
fighting the leader of the bandits

852
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,159
because some seagulls are now attacking

853
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,279
you so I don't I don't tend to use that

854
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:31,240
and I did pre-warn the guys to this game

855
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,720
I was there's probably going to be less

856
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,399
combat than you're used to because I

857
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,519
don't do that but every combat you get

858
00:30:35,399 --> 00:30:39,279
means something I mean the trouble with

859
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,960
Random Encounters like that is they're

860
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:43,120
never going to be bad enough to actually

861
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,399
kill the players and usually they still

862
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,480
have travel time to regain everything so

863
00:30:45,399 --> 00:30:49,559
indeed that you're not gaining much by

864
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,120
stopping the whole thing for it much the

865
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:53,480
same I just don't do them unless I'm

866
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,760
want to part some sort of wisdom to them

867
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,840
along the way from a friendly NPC like

868
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,320
but that's it yeah yeah yeah everything

869
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,200
has to serve a greater purpose and I

870
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,799
never thought of it before but that's

871
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,519
absolutely true and that there's like no

872
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:10,679
net change to the party before or after

873
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:12,880
that track like they left City 100% they

874
00:31:10,679 --> 00:31:15,200
arrived at next city 100% maybe there

875
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,639
was a cool encounter on the way but

876
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,399
there's been no impact whereas if you're

877
00:31:16,639 --> 00:31:20,240
going through a dungeon there is a

878
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:22,159
change because the next fight they have

879
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,679
which is imminent they've got less

880
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:28,600
Health to do so so I don't tend to

881
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:30,480
use they haven't gone into any decrepit

882
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,679
Millennia old Crips that are full of

883
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,799
traps that are half broken because they

884
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:35,799
just haven't gone there yet which means

885
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:38,080
that most of the dungeons they've been

886
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:40,240
in don't have random swinging traps or

887
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,039
anything because this was a disused

888
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,880
hospital so why would there be why be

889
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:47,720
traps swinging blades here so I have to

890
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,679
get creative in in that sense to try and

891
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,679
keep those things still engaging in a

892
00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:54,120
way that

893
00:31:50,679 --> 00:31:57,360
is still fun to play D and D basically

894
00:31:54,120 --> 00:32:00,360
uh without it just being an empty space

895
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,679
that they're moving through so that's

896
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:06,240
traps and and that kind of stuff combat

897
00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:08,120
is way more an art than it is science

898
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,760
certainly in DD

899
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:14,559
5e so for combat encounters takes longer

900
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,080
to put together than it's probably the

901
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:18,399
longest thing it takes for me to get

902
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,279
right ahead of time because I have to

903
00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:24,360
review the stat block of everything I

904
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:26,240
use um and what is officially easy is

905
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,320
actually going to be actually quite hard

906
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,440
or vice versa or yes there's one big guy

907
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,399
that on his own is a medium encounter

908
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,440
and I've added two Minions that

909
00:32:33,399 --> 00:32:37,559
technically pushes that into deadly but

910
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,120
those minions are like got like trash so

911
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:41,639
I could actually add like 50 minions and

912
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,639
it still be just as hard or easy as it

913
00:32:41,639 --> 00:32:46,320
was before I've made that mistake so

914
00:32:43,639 --> 00:32:48,399
many times of one big bad guy and then

915
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,919
just get [ __ ] on immediately for two

916
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:51,919
rounds and that's it it's done I was

917
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:53,559
like cool well that was a fun engaging

918
00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:57,360
boss fight for everyone glad none of you

919
00:32:53,559 --> 00:33:00,760
took damage cool that's okay yeah yep

920
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,200
yeah precisely so I need to thankfully

921
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,440
uh hearken back to what we were just

922
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,360
talking about because they snuck their

923
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,559
way through the

924
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,600
csts there's a lot of cultists Left

925
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:11,880
Alive so if they do meet the dragon he's

926
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,880
going to be like come to my Aid cultists

927
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,159
so that's left me in quite a good

928
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,360
position and that makes sense in the

929
00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:17,720
world the players aren't going to feel

930
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,000
cheat cheated that a bunch of csts

931
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,960
turned up because they went through a

932
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,519
room with 10 of them in so it's going to

933
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,399
be a surprise if 10 ctist turn off in a

934
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,559
bit so I'm quite happy with that there

935
00:33:25,399 --> 00:33:30,279
is there is a it's a bit of a trick and

936
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:33,360
I I know it is um once or twice I've set

937
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,600
up a boss encounter and then immediately

938
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,000
afterwards there's been another just

939
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,120
medium encounter but because they

940
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,000
thought B this will be the last one most

941
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,440
of their stuff's gone so they like they

942
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,919
use the spell slots their potions things

943
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,240
like that I was like oh you go to the

944
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:46,760
next room where the actual treasure is

945
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,679
and there's 12 more dudes in there I

946
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,799
like I

947
00:33:48,679 --> 00:33:53,600
okay okay we'll think about this yeah

948
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:56,000
when they're redlining that's when it's

949
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,679
it's so close to the end yes that's a

950
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,360
good shout actually yeah that's a nice

951
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:01,720
little trick to have in in the tool belt

952
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,840
for those for those situations but yeah

953
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,519
I again those players are at a level now

954
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,760
like level 11 so they've got tiny Hut

955
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:11,240
they've got invisibility and fly and all

956
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,359
that kind of stuff that does trivialize

957
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:16,280
a bunch of encounters so I'm in a sense

958
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:19,159
I've got a lot more wiggle room to throw

959
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,480
harder stuff at them or easier stuff at

960
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,320
them when I want it to be easier because

961
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,879
I know that they'll trivialize it in a

962
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,839
sense but just yeah it isn't just an art

963
00:34:25,879 --> 00:34:29,480
rather than the science experience of

964
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:32,520
putting stuff together and being like

965
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,919
okay five Sturges was a tpk for a level

966
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,679
one party even though they're just

967
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:40,200
flying little insects with two HP was

968
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:42,320
was a tpk okay let me take a closer look

969
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,639
at the next encounter I throw at them

970
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,599
because that is going to be a different

971
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:49,520
experience so yeah every everyone gets

972
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:52,399
gone over with a fine tooth comb and it

973
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,200
is there is a weird satisfaction to

974
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:56,079
being like Oh what if I tweak it's

975
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,520
almost like my program is braining me is

976
00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:00,599
like let me take out one salamander and

977
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,240
replace that with like two fire Giants

978
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:06,680
or a fire end a fire giant how does that

979
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:09,079
change but that's got resistance so let

980
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,079
me see how that's gonna that doing that

981
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,320
kind of

982
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:13,240
micromanagement I mean it it it must be

983
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,839
working out because the players are

984
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:18,599
having fun and every encounters is quite

985
00:35:14,839 --> 00:35:21,000
memorable so a little bit of upfront

986
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:23,960
management now I'm just torn between an

987
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:27,760
adult red dragon or a young red dragon

988
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,119
and I'm not sure how that's going to go

989
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,640
it's hard one with that because you

990
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,200
you're right you want it to make sure it

991
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,560
feels like a big challenge if if they

992
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,720
walk through it too easy it's not as fun

993
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,839
also yeah you don't want to kill them

994
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:42,760
all yeah I have got a phase of an idea

995
00:35:38,839 --> 00:35:45,160
for it being a two like I I abuse video

996
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,800
game tropes as much as as possible where

997
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,839
they make sense and I do want it to be a

998
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,920
two- fa fight so in my head it's like

999
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:55,880
they're in the hall so he can't fly as

1000
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,480
well and they'll when he gets to like 50

1001
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,440
HP he's going to be be like you know

1002
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,040
what I don't want why the why am I

1003
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,280
fighting you little ants in this Hall

1004
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,280
I'm going to go up and they're on like a

1005
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,160
volcano red dragon obviously and then

1006
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,880
they'll go up to like the Caldera on the

1007
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:11,280
top which is going to be epic with you

1008
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,000
know it's exping yeah he's he's flying

1009
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,480
around and that'll be the last half of

1010
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,359
his HP flying around there that's my

1011
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,280
best lay plans

1012
00:36:18,359 --> 00:36:23,839
yeah how much of that actually

1013
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:27,079
transpires I do not know

1014
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:29,319
yet yeah we'll see I've not actually run

1015
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:32,040
a dragon you know just like a dragon

1016
00:36:29,319 --> 00:36:34,160
fight before so even with X Year's

1017
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,880
experience I'm still quite anxious about

1018
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,560
you obviously that it's in the name of

1019
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,319
the game right it needs to be

1020
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,640
epic so I'm a bit worried about how well

1021
00:36:41,319 --> 00:36:44,400
that will that will come out they had

1022
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,760
the opportunity to fight one previously

1023
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,079
but that was a green dragon who was all

1024
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,280
Trixie and manipulating and they chose

1025
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:53,599
to be friends with it rather than do

1026
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,760
anything fight it so I like okay that's

1027
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:57,160
fine I was like hey I gave the

1028
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,640
opportunity to fight dragon and you said

1029
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,440
no so don't blame me that it's four

1030
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,599
years before you go yeah that's that's

1031
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,599
totally

1032
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:08,560
fair yeah that that was super fun to be

1033
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:10,040
like hey i' I I you know bent the rules

1034
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,680
with like magic casting and they the

1035
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,839
dragon took human form which I think

1036
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,280
rules has written it can't or whatever

1037
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:18,240
so but that was super fun to be like

1038
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,040
welcome have dinner sit down join me at

1039
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:22,119
the table oh no I'm totally a massive

1040
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Green Dragon but come come and join

1041
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:27,119
dinner let's talk about things and I'm

1042
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,680
definitely not lying or cheating or

1043
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:31,200
I've got like crossbows trained on you

1044
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,040
from my from my allies like don't worry

1045
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:38,280
about any of that stuff that was fun to

1046
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:40,000
ooze lies yeah but so tricksy it be very

1047
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,060
hard for the players to work out where

1048
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:46,340
where the truth end and and the LIE

1049
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:46,340
[Music]

1050
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:55,000
[Music]

1051
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:58,319
begin another part we're going we're

1052
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,359
going to go very literal now um so for

1053
00:37:58,319 --> 00:38:01,920
translation obviously there's a nine

1054
00:38:00,359 --> 00:38:05,000
billion different languages now on D and

1055
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,720
D 5 there common and then if you scroll

1056
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,800
through a list of available languages

1057
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:14,079
that's just bloated out of reality from

1058
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:16,480
like you've got um Aquin and the

1059
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:18,520
language is that only um I had them in

1060
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,200
they're like um they're kind of like

1061
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:25,240
bronze dwarves from the plane of fire

1062
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:28,560
whose heads on aers they speak One Flame

1063
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:30,760
Elemental language so that's a good

1064
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,200
example actually they they met some of

1065
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,359
those AES and they're like oh do they

1066
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:38,319
speak common and I'm like they speak a

1067
00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:40,839
sound of metal scraping on metal oh do

1068
00:38:38,319 --> 00:38:44,640
any of you have that in your in your

1069
00:38:40,839 --> 00:38:46,319
language as you speak uh so even that F

1070
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,359
the I tip for all the DMS out there even

1071
00:38:46,319 --> 00:38:51,079
for a level 11 party who didn't have

1072
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:53,079
comprehend languages or anything or

1073
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:55,520
tongues or whatever it is that was a

1074
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:58,040
complete showstopper that was a complete

1075
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,839
like oh this is the first time in a long

1076
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,640
time we're talking to intelligent

1077
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:03,960
creatures that we we're just going to

1078
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,599
have to gesture to and like Scribble

1079
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,560
diagrams in a book and see if that has

1080
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:11,240
anything and and it was very like oh we

1081
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,400
can teleport around the universe but I

1082
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:16,760
can't actually speak to these

1083
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,000
creatures so um as part of this uh same

1084
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,119
Arc I was doing with the undead Nos and

1085
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,680
the witch and everything they came

1086
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:24,960
across a scrap of paper which was like a

1087
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,079
note to this witch but I think it was

1088
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,520
written in Abyssal

1089
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,040
which none of them spoke but some of

1090
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,359
them did speak some of the infernal

1091
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,880
languages which uses the same sort of

1092
00:39:32,359 --> 00:39:35,800
script for it as far as d andd goes you

1093
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,560
know I was like okay well here's a good

1094
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,240
opportunity let's let's see how well you

1095
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,000
roll for this and see how well you can

1096
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,960
actually translate this piece of paper

1097
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,160
and you know that's when the N20 comes

1098
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,599
out and I go okay well this one I

1099
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,680
prepared with half the words is no good

1100
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,359
now you just have all of the words

1101
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,680
normally yeah translation in terms of

1102
00:39:50,359 --> 00:39:54,960
like English and Spanish for example

1103
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,040
there's this um great story I heard of a

1104
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,200
of a DM at a school who

1105
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,480
one of the players English was their

1106
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,640
second language and they were a little

1107
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,560
bit they were a bit uncomfortable

1108
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,599
unconfident as partaking in the games

1109
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,920
because they didn't know everything was

1110
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:11,359
going on so he tweeted the game to be

1111
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,800
well in this world then Elvin is Spanish

1112
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:14,480
and you only speak Elvin because you're

1113
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,680
a Highborn elf and that's you just never

1114
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,160
talk common so now she has an

1115
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,160
opportunity to interact with the other

1116
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,000
players who are a bit more bilingual ask

1117
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,800
the questions in Spanish and also learn

1118
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,680
more English and still role play as her

1119
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,079
character really well I was like what

1120
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,720
what a perfect use of of that kind of

1121
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,440
function to flesh out a character flesh

1122
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,280
out the world and make it much more

1123
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,640
inclusive as well yeah that that's

1124
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,599
definitely a drawback for me being my

1125
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,800
ignorant British self is I I don't speak

1126
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:42,000
an iota of many other languages apart

1127
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,400
from you know two beers please is as

1128
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,720
much as I get when I go to Country

1129
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,839
where's the

1130
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,800
library so that's you know very much a

1131
00:40:46,839 --> 00:40:50,480
failing on my part so I'm robbed from

1132
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,680
those being able to have those kind of

1133
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,800
experiences and I'm reduced to sounds

1134
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,040
like metal scraping on metal or pretend

1135
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,760
you can't hear this next conversation

1136
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,079
we're about to have rest of the rest of

1137
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,119
the

1138
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:03,680
players which which is a shame but

1139
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,800
that's the nature of the games i' I've

1140
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,440
found myself in however saying that one

1141
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,359
of the guys is Polish in one of the

1142
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,359
games so I might try and crib that idea

1143
00:41:10,359 --> 00:41:16,960
for something going forward I'll be like

1144
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:20,599
go ahead and speak Polish and and watch

1145
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,880
the rest of us be beused for 50 seconds

1146
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,880
one of my um very occasional players is

1147
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,720
quite fluent in French and the city that

1148
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,359
they're mostly partaking in is French

1149
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:31,240
Spanish styled inspired with their own s

1150
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:32,680
of sub dialect in there so yeah whenever

1151
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,640
she does come to a session I make sure I

1152
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,280
pepper some of that in there just for

1153
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,560
her to like oh that's I I could do this

1154
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,640
and then she'll Ratt off some French to

1155
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,800
me and I'll go well I can't do that but

1156
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,960
sounded great yeah that that's yeah

1157
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,920
that's useful interesting um have you

1158
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,280
had any other

1159
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,240
fun either because obviously the other

1160
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,520
the other side of things not just

1161
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,760
speaking to embes but like written books

1162
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,200
or signs on the wall or languages they

1163
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,200
can't read had any fun with that in your

1164
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,960
games and as we go very literal with the

1165
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,960
word translation now yeah yeah of course

1166
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,480
of course yeah um there's been a few

1167
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,240
puzzles I I like to get quite prop workk

1168
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,640
with my puzzles and things like that um

1169
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:11,520
so there's been a few bits and pieces

1170
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,280
like that but yeah I common seems to be

1171
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,640
like the predominant language that

1172
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,880
everyone speaks in for my players and

1173
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,760
they don't really speak much else okay

1174
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,040
so I try not to put too many in that

1175
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,319
because I've got no spellcasters really

1176
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,720
so no one's going to learn comprehended

1177
00:42:23,319 --> 00:42:26,599
languages anytime soon and things like

1178
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:29,319
that so there's no point in giving a

1179
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:30,680
puzzle which is just dumb luck Brute

1180
00:42:29,319 --> 00:42:33,559
Force keep trying and hope something

1181
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,240
sticks or abandon it and just leave the

1182
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:38,559
whole thing so I try to do too much of

1183
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:40,640
that but yeah but I I will put in a few

1184
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:42,960
um usually it's it's more like if you

1185
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,839
can read this here's here's a cheat for

1186
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,240
what the rest of this puzzle is and if

1187
00:42:44,839 --> 00:42:47,640
you can't read it there's other ways to

1188
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,400
solving the puzzle that don't involve

1189
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,599
the language but you just get a bonus if

1190
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,200
you do know it mhm that's a little bit

1191
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:55,280
surprising because most of my games

1192
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,760
there's all I like does anyone speak

1193
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,079
Aquin and then there's always one that's

1194
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,119
like oh um actually yeah I do it's

1195
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:03,200
common uh dwarfish and this very very

1196
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,720
alien

1197
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,119
language okay just in case I guess the

1198
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:10,440
rules have said that you can learn that

1199
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:13,400
at some point so I as a DM I sometimes

1200
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:16,200
am like kind of make a justification for

1201
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,680
why you speak this language the same

1202
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,079
with that yeah you can have it but tell

1203
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:24,000
me why you know it when you are bookish

1204
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:25,240
child yeah that's one of the odd things

1205
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,319
that stands out during character

1206
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:30,160
creation for d D5 at least is that like

1207
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:32,520
oh and one extra language of your choice

1208
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,800
oh here's the list of 50 some of

1209
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,880
which don't exist anymore don't aren't

1210
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,040
spoken on this plane only spoken by

1211
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,680
certain races you know whatever one

1212
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,599
creature in the dungeons Masters Guide

1213
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,119
has it and it's now found its way onto

1214
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:46,640
this list and some like newer player

1215
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:48,720
doesn't know oh that sounds interesting

1216
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,240
blun oh there aren't any of the Delan in

1217
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:54,400
this campaign so I guess your language

1218
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:56,680
of vialon is now like absolutely

1219
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,200
worthless there a sort of sidebar on

1220
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,520
that I I always thought that with um you

1221
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,599
know the original version of Ranger

1222
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,280
before they changed the rules and I

1223
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,880
think it was tashes where it's like oh

1224
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,400
yeah pick like three different

1225
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,119
environments in which case which you

1226
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,079
excel at and then you can oh sorry we're

1227
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,920
taking place entirely Urban there's no

1228
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:16,000
snow here whatsoever so that's a whole

1229
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,599
waste of a of a level for you yeah it's

1230
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,079
it's very similar to that but yeah no

1231
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,200
I'm I'm I'm surprised that my guys now

1232
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,960
don't have tongues of comprehend

1233
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,559
languages because they used to have a

1234
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,000
warlock who would have done that and

1235
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:27,240
then he found himself in the shadow fill

1236
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,079
moping around betrayed for a bit so they

1237
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:33,400
they lost that ability but yeah usually

1238
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:35,079
there's somebody who's got some way to

1239
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,160
effectively even with like message you

1240
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,319
know telepathically or something

1241
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,160
something like I think they still need

1242
00:44:37,319 --> 00:44:40,800
to understand you still need to have a

1243
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,319
shared language but there are other

1244
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,520
telepathy spells that allow you to

1245
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:45,760
bypass that completely so that that

1246
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,160
encounter was very interesting but I'm

1247
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,880
surprised for you that you don't have

1248
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,000
like no one there's always somebody

1249
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,839
who's picked a or whatever the language

1250
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,559
is that's I know you'd have thought so

1251
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:58,480
but um but but no not really you know

1252
00:44:56,559 --> 00:45:00,800
Common Dwarven Elvish one of the players

1253
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,960
is a goblin so she knows Goblin yeah I

1254
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,000
can't say too much about another player

1255
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,839
in case the other players hear about

1256
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,000
hear about it but she speaks a couple of

1257
00:45:06,839 --> 00:45:10,760
languages but so far they haven't come

1258
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,440
up yet I'm wondering about giving them

1259
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,040
something that lets them translate but

1260
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,040
making sure that only the most chaotic

1261
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,920
player can use it just just because it'd

1262
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,520
be really funny

1263
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,640
yes oh I'd love to see that item's

1264
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,000
description like how it's locked down to

1265
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,760
just the

1266
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,440
only the person with the illis intense

1267
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,280
can use this

1268
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:36,599
item yeah oh you could H it's a proper

1269
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,319
uh what is it R rabbit's foot uh

1270
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:40,960
whatever it is the the term um monkeyy

1271
00:45:39,319 --> 00:45:42,079
poor I was I was broad I was in the

1272
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,319
right I knew what you meant though

1273
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:46,720
actually it came to my mind an animal's

1274
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:48,520
appendage um you can translate any

1275
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,640
language fluently but to tell other

1276
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:54,440
people you have to lie like that's the

1277
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,640
curse so you know absolutely what it is

1278
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,040
but when you try and communicate to

1279
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,000
somebody else in a language they

1280
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,800
understand it has to be a lie you have

1281
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,440
to be

1282
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:06,760
lying have to lie to tell anyone thank

1283
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,559
you so much for that home taking that

1284
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,559
that's quite right I'm I'm just

1285
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:14,359
astonished that came to me just then um

1286
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:16,280
yeah that is hilarious and if if it is a

1287
00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:17,559
proper C like one of those hidden curses

1288
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,079
that doesn't reveal itself until they

1289
00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:20,839
actually go to do it they'll be like ha

1290
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:22,839
let me oh let me stand to the front let

1291
00:46:20,839 --> 00:46:24,200
me translate I'll be translate yeah You'

1292
00:46:22,839 --> 00:46:26,359
be really excited for it and then they

1293
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,640
turn around say the exact opposite or

1294
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:30,760
let me let me tell them ah you tell them

1295
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:34,079
that uh they have no defenses and there

1296
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,000
are no guards here oh really yes that's

1297
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,760
what you say

1298
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,319
[Laughter]

1299
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,119
to that's maell and of course I'm in

1300
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:46,400
love with it

1301
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:50,240
y oh yeah my mind is now very much in DM

1302
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,880
like like thinking of ways to use that

1303
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,240
I've got a game coming up Wednesday so I

1304
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,800
this I'm this is good for me like this

1305
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:57,680
is going to get me working for it now

1306
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,880
cuz then once once that penny has

1307
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,119
dropped and the other players have

1308
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,559
appreciated that then you're into some

1309
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:03,760
weird like metag game of trying to work

1310
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,119
out where the the LIE is and is it like

1311
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,440
everything's opposite or are they White

1312
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:09,800
Lies and are there actually loads of

1313
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,040
guards or which is a fun little little

1314
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,240
thing in of itself I something like that

1315
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,160
actually I might I might text the person

1316
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,640
and say this this is what you say out

1317
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,280
loud or this is the conversation you

1318
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,520
have just so again keep that sort of

1319
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,480
mask of what the players can hear and

1320
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,200
what they're being told kind of thing

1321
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,280
yeah yeah that that is one of the

1322
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,160
trickier parts of the game because

1323
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,400
obviously it's human nature to be

1324
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,920
colored by the things you hear and it's

1325
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,440
it's takes a lot of self-discipline and

1326
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,760
practice to be like I've heard that but

1327
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,480
I need to pretend I haven't but even

1328
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,880
pretending you haven't colors your

1329
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,440
future interaction so yeah absolutely

1330
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,000
I've done a couple of like um dramatic

1331
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,280
scenes with like one or two players and

1332
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,839
I've had everyone else leave the room MH

1333
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,040
because it you know it's it's focused

1334
00:47:52,839 --> 00:47:55,680
just for them and I still want the

1335
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,359
setting for it but yeah having just a

1336
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,119
General conversation between one player

1337
00:47:58,359 --> 00:48:01,520
and some random guard you can't have

1338
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,359
everyone leave room every single time

1339
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,440
that happens yes yeah I've had it before

1340
00:48:04,359 --> 00:48:08,160
and this the stuff that really tests me

1341
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,640
as a DM is I'll be dming direct

1342
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,520
messaging to be clear I am let's keep it

1343
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,839
obvious you know one particular player

1344
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,680
he's like oh can I I wantan to I want to

1345
00:48:14,839 --> 00:48:17,800
try this or does my character know this

1346
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,160
but I don't want the other players to

1347
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,559
know so I'm like yeah and then the

1348
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:25,720
character that you're talking to is you

1349
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:27,119
know uh playing with their hair well

1350
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,920
rattling on the keyboard to the other

1351
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:31,480
guy trying to have that discussion as

1352
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,839
well in in in secret is testing but

1353
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:37,079
often some of the the most fun thing in

1354
00:48:34,839 --> 00:48:40,160
um in the second campaign uh my wife

1355
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:42,520
played a rogue and she said to me like

1356
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,640
when we get to this loot room can I try

1357
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,599
and steal like half the gold before

1358
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,880
anyone notices me do that um which

1359
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,760
should have been a bit of a red flag for

1360
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,799
me like for our relationship generally

1361
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,599
but but yeah I said so every time they

1362
00:48:52,799 --> 00:48:56,480
enter the loot room she gave me two rols

1363
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:58,599
and just sent them to me as a message

1364
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,960
and I immediately subtracted a bunch of

1365
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:01,280
the gold that's that's the best way I

1366
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,880
was going to say then you just tell the

1367
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,200
rest of the players oh you found 1,000

1368
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,359
gold yeah and tell us this is how much

1369
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,640
you got at the dead yeah it came to they

1370
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:10,280
they buy they needed to buy something as

1371
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:14,160
a group and she went oh well I've got

1372
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:16,640
like 2,000 gold it was like so how yeah

1373
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,040
just picked it up you know all those

1374
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,720
pennies you've been dropping they add up

1375
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,520
you know behind the

1376
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:26,200
sofa um so yeah to bring it back a

1377
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,000
little bit then so for the WR

1378
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,280
books and stuff you've done then you

1379
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,520
know how much of that has been a unique

1380
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,799
experience I've had a lot of people on

1381
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,000
the show before who have done

1382
00:49:31,799 --> 00:49:36,559
Kickstarter in you know several people

1383
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,960
or or have made businesses without using

1384
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:40,160
that and obviously that's a very like a

1385
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,760
completely different side of the

1386
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,799
industry a completely different side of

1387
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,720
the hobby certainly crowdfunding is a

1388
00:49:43,799 --> 00:49:47,359
very different way of doing it you know

1389
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:49,520
I've as I said the stuff that I was

1390
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:52,000
writing I was half in a mind of putting

1391
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,640
it on digital platforms just as a PDF to

1392
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,079
download so I want to pick your brains

1393
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,280
for a moment around that that that the

1394
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:01,720
physicality side of it getting you

1395
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,680
know I feel certainly in England as well

1396
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,200
with like laws and whatnot there must be

1397
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,119
something there that's different from

1398
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,599
publishing on DM skill.com or something

1399
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,720
so how's that been for you that whole

1400
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,760
experience from top to bottom because

1401
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,880
there must be other people out there

1402
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,119
that have gone do you know other people

1403
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:19,480
have going to appreciate this but how do

1404
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:21,000
I do that Ian yeah being a being a

1405
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,000
self-published author

1406
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,520
is it's it's great in a lot of ways and

1407
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,760
it's a lot of work and a lot of ways um

1408
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,680
you know I used to be what I found

1409
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,799
myself doing sort of middle of this year

1410
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,079
was it be an hour of work writing then

1411
00:50:33,799 --> 00:50:38,799
go to work do work come home and do like

1412
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:40,240
an hour of social media plugging and

1413
00:50:38,799 --> 00:50:41,599
emailing building the website things

1414
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,559
like that so you know you you're talking

1415
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:45,680
like 11 hour days before you actually

1416
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:47,559
stop what you're doing really but yeah I

1417
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,040
mean I mean I mean for me I I started

1418
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,920
writing this first book because I just

1419
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,319
wanted to get some creative Outlet out

1420
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,720
and then I got stuck at a point I was

1421
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:56,040
like I didn't know what to do next so I

1422
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,359
just rolled a D20 to to see whether or

1423
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,839
not they passed or failed and then that

1424
00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:01,359
became like the the niche the the unique

1425
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:03,000
selling point of the book is that the

1426
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:05,040
protagonists and the antagonists do that

1427
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,799
all the way through and that Jo that's

1428
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,920
quite fun for like as a journey for me

1429
00:51:06,799 --> 00:51:10,280
because I couldn't really plan out the

1430
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,200
ending because I didn't know if they

1431
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,599
were going to make it there um and all

1432
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,359
the fights seem F tense because you're

1433
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:19,040
looking through a list of actual combat

1434
00:51:16,359 --> 00:51:20,440
roles as well so you can see how badly

1435
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,480
it's going for the protagonists or the

1436
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,680
antagonists as you go through but yeah I

1437
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,000
mean I've I've got like one of my one

1438
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,920
shots is on the website only crits who

1439
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,440
are some really nice people and they're

1440
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,319
really nice we talking about my book

1441
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,960
going up with them as well but that's

1442
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:36,000
that was quite nice and easy it's just

1443
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,000
I've made it here's the thing for it and

1444
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,200
they've put it up there I didn't have to

1445
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:42,240
worry about it too much um in terms of

1446
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:44,520
actually publishing a book as it were

1447
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:47,799
you know the only thing I really had to

1448
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:49,240
worry about was um in the UK any new

1449
00:51:47,799 --> 00:51:50,680
book that is published you have to send

1450
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:52,920
a copy to the Great British Library

1451
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,160
within like four weeks but otherwise I

1452
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,599
didn't have to sign anything submit

1453
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:00,400
anything there's no legal things I had

1454
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:03,200
to worry about I was quite careful with

1455
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,920
um you know all the stuff that happened

1456
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,839
this year last year with the open gaming

1457
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,720
license and wizard of the coast TR

1458
00:52:06,839 --> 00:52:10,280
change all that sort of stuff is um

1459
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:12,559
they've got um I think it's the system

1460
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,599
reference document yeah and anything

1461
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:17,200
that's listed in there I think you can't

1462
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:20,079
use because that's specifically their

1463
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,599
own IP yes so I then went through a

1464
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:23,040
color was like right none of the Spells

1465
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,280
called the same thing none of the races

1466
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,319
are called the same thing aside from you

1467
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,280
know they haven't got claim on like L4

1468
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:29,440
you know hob or anything like that but I

1469
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,640
was like yeah right let's have a

1470
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:35,760
complete change so it has that feel but

1471
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:38,960
I I think legally of safe yes yeah no I

1472
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:41,920
I am not a legal person at all and I

1473
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,880
hate like when I looked at the ogl and

1474
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,720
the assistant SRD and stuff I was like

1475
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,880
man I can't my brain isn't wired to like

1476
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,079
comprehend this in a way that I feel

1477
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,359
comfortable pushing it out without

1478
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:54,319
having what see lawyers kicking down my

1479
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:55,680
front door yeah yeah and I think luckily

1480
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:58,280
I'm too small for I to about that

1481
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,680
anytime soon um but but yeah I was a bit

1482
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,240
of a concern I I do think it's funny

1483
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,319
that they up a new document for a group

1484
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,359
of people who collectively read

1485
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:08,040
documents and manuals that are like 400

1486
00:53:06,359 --> 00:53:12,839
pages long as a as a fun thing to do

1487
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:15,799
anyway like yes yeah ask him for trouble

1488
00:53:12,839 --> 00:53:17,520
with that yeah pretty much yeah I I I

1489
00:53:15,799 --> 00:53:20,960
was working on some

1490
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:23,240
homebrewed classes um mixed with a way

1491
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,640
Sunny with a with a guy and I do a first

1492
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:26,440
draft and he's like oh I can see you've

1493
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,799
put that spell that spell we can't use

1494
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,880
those oh God right

1495
00:53:28,799 --> 00:53:33,799
okay don't know what to do now

1496
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,079
then yeah just become that bit of back

1497
00:53:33,799 --> 00:53:38,920
and forth of what can be done and what

1498
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:40,880
can't be yeah absolutely absolutely so

1499
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,960
um is there anything you wanted to

1500
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,359
discuss that we might not have hit yet I

1501
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,040
think actually we did sort of cover

1502
00:53:44,359 --> 00:53:48,760
everything I I'd had prepared you know

1503
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,400
you actually came up to actual

1504
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,319
translations before I got there ah great

1505
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,799
minds I I was wondering if you if you

1506
00:53:53,319 --> 00:53:57,319
had that in your uh in your bag of

1507
00:53:54,799 --> 00:53:58,599
holding there to discuss yeah um I

1508
00:53:57,319 --> 00:53:59,960
suppose the one thing the one thing I

1509
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:04,400
didn't touch on I suppose was

1510
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:06,119
translating one genre into another so uh

1511
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,440
like like for my books for example uh

1512
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:10,040
the first one is you know quite Thriller

1513
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,880
but it's it's it's definitely fantasy

1514
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,280
but there's a lot more Thriller to it

1515
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,599
the second one is definitely still

1516
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,400
fantasy but a bit more action adventure

1517
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:19,720
I've tried doing this with this Third

1518
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,200
campaign is we've um we've gotten rid of

1519
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:24,200
Constitution and made it fortitude and

1520
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,280
given it some skills as well in there

1521
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,880
which are about like getting through

1522
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,599
like harrowing effects on the body or

1523
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,799
you know specific tolerance to poisons

1524
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:34,079
and things like that I'm trying to draw

1525
00:54:31,799 --> 00:54:36,400
in a bit more like cthulu a bit more

1526
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,559
horror into it which is you know a

1527
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,880
forest full of Undead NS with crystal

1528
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,119
ball controlled witches and stuff like

1529
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,440
that it's you know it's quite a an

1530
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:45,359
interesting thing to do I know obviously

1531
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,799
there's horror aspects to D and D as

1532
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:48,359
well but I wanted to try and dial it up

1533
00:54:46,799 --> 00:54:50,440
a little bit more because I think from

1534
00:54:48,359 --> 00:54:53,599
what I've played and and done and seen

1535
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:55,880
of 5 it is always more the high fantasy

1536
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:57,160
first and action sort of secondary thing

1537
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,799
so I was trying to inject a bit more

1538
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,880
horror into it so I thought that was

1539
00:54:58,799 --> 00:55:03,640
quite a fun way of how do I okay how do

1540
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:07,240
I take this great thing that cthulu does

1541
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:10,119
and make it into DND D um in a way that

1542
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:13,079
doesn't ruin the game at all yeah

1543
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:16,880
completely B all the balancing or like

1544
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:19,079
checks and everything yeah I had a that

1545
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,280
repurposed Hospital actually was my like

1546
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:22,799
horror dungeon that I wanted to have

1547
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,599
that feeling of like you know you're

1548
00:55:22,799 --> 00:55:27,920
creeping through Dusty Moon lit

1549
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:30,319
corridors with like a gurnie just rolls

1550
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,119
out from a room just squeaking wheels

1551
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:34,960
that that kind of stuff and that

1552
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:38,079
was I find with yeah with d ND 5 because

1553
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:40,079
you have that sword and sorcery is so

1554
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:42,440
thickly laid on everywhere you do have

1555
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:45,200
to go just as thick with the other

1556
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,400
tropes to really be like to communicate

1557
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,319
to the players okay this is the spooky

1558
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,000
this actually creepy it's not just it's

1559
00:55:49,319 --> 00:55:53,599
SN yeah yeah once you get up to like

1560
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,520
level 11 or something like that you're

1561
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,440
like almost IG Gods anyway so become a

1562
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,280
lot more as you saying you know they've

1563
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,599
got fly and levate things a lot moreal

1564
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,160
they don't have to so much about like

1565
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:06,200
that so I'm going to try and inject as

1566
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,039
much horror was still at level three

1567
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,319
yeah yeah that again that was that took

1568
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:13,599
forever to design that dungeon and then

1569
00:56:11,319 --> 00:56:15,359
really lay on thick like a bolt of

1570
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,960
lightning you know arcs outside and

1571
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:18,880
flashes like a flashlight in the room

1572
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,960
and there's a skull in the corner

1573
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:24,440
and hey like it's DM's prerogative let

1574
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,920
me live a yeah why not I mean I mean

1575
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,960
tropes like that exists for a reason

1576
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,480
because everyone sees them and

1577
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,960
recognizes that mhm yeah so that that

1578
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:35,000
was that was fun then also AED the

1579
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,400
dungeon design because again like I said

1580
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,160
earlier on like starting with it making

1581
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,599
sense so I was like okay well what rooms

1582
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,880
are going to be in a hospital and you're

1583
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,520
like okay well there's going to be like

1584
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,119
waiting room there's going to be

1585
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,440
operation rooms there's going to be

1586
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:49,319
recovery rooms there's going to be like

1587
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,480
outpatient rooms and then from then I

1588
00:56:49,319 --> 00:56:53,400
kind of build my way back to like where

1589
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,480
would they be and then what kind of

1590
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,799
encounters would they be in there and

1591
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,079
what would they find and then suddenly

1592
00:56:55,799 --> 00:56:59,440
before I know it I'm like oh that's the

1593
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:01,559
f I ran out of space on this first floor

1594
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,200
what would be on the second floor so

1595
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:06,200
that's how I tended to approach that but

1596
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,039
uh I'm trying to think of any others the

1597
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:12,000
rest of my dungeons have

1598
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:13,960
been routine like caves tunnels Cobalts

1599
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,559
goblins dragons that kind of stuff but

1600
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,440
that one in particular was very fun to

1601
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:20,039
be like let me this is you're in spooky

1602
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:23,599
town now guys yeah let it we appreciate

1603
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:26,319
how spooky it is yeah let's take it

1604
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:28,319
appropriately um yeah any any anything

1605
00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:30,319
else that you wanted to discuss around

1606
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:32,200
that genre piece that's a good shout

1607
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:33,760
because I hadn't thought of it at all so

1608
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,280
if you got anything more on that then i'

1609
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,599
more than welcome the discussion no

1610
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,319
unfortunately not

1611
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:41,240
that's yeah I wish I had more and I want

1612
00:57:39,319 --> 00:57:43,359
I'm I'm now looking down right because

1613
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,960
my brain is now rattling through other

1614
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:47,200
things I want to try and do in a similar

1615
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,200
vein but that horror one was probably

1616
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,240
the easiest one because of how common

1617
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,000
place the tropes are like yeah the

1618
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:56,839
squeak squeaking Wheels is like classic

1619
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,640
101 but me you think of like traditional

1620
00:57:56,839 --> 00:58:01,319
horror stuff anyway you know there's

1621
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,319
there's demons and devils and monsters

1622
00:58:01,319 --> 00:58:04,839
all exist in D andd so it's an easy pull

1623
00:58:03,319 --> 00:58:07,839
to bring in but if you going to combine

1624
00:58:04,839 --> 00:58:10,079
like sci-fi in there like I feel I I

1625
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:11,960
know obviously there's um what was it

1626
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,640
the sunlet Sissel or something that

1627
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,760
expans model and I know they've it looks

1628
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,079
like they've done a pretty good job of

1629
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,920
poring that across while keeping the

1630
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,720
field but yeah if you suddenly drop a

1631
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,039
lightsaber or a plasma rifle into the

1632
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,960
world everything's just going to go

1633
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:25,799
wrong well it's going to be hard to kind

1634
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,280
of mesh that

1635
00:58:25,799 --> 00:58:29,280
without just feeling like it's out of

1636
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,520
place or something like that think you

1637
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,400
know and inherently there's action and

1638
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,280
thrills and stuff like that anyway I

1639
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,640
suppose like a just going through like a

1640
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,920
murder mystery might be quite a fun more

1641
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:42,680
roleplay heavy piece to go through you

1642
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,599
know just just there's no there's no one

1643
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,799
to fight there's nothing to to do is

1644
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:48,960
just plug away and see if you can work

1645
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:51,440
out the clues but um I think realiz a

1646
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,400
lot on Investigation checks and things

1647
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,720
like that anyway yeah well for any DM

1648
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,599
out there remember the rule of three

1649
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,960
three for that kind of stuff I've talked

1650
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,680
about it a lot in the podcast before so

1651
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,799
I won't go into detail again but that is

1652
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,760
if you're doing yeah anything

1653
00:59:01,799 --> 00:59:07,039
investigatory ruler three at at least

1654
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,440
yeah yeah that's well that pretty much

1655
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:11,480
brings us to the end of today's

1656
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,920
discussion is there anything you would

1657
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,799
like to promote uh yes so obviously I

1658
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,880
have my book Dead surprise uh which you

1659
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:20,839
know you can find on Amazon you can find

1660
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in corol merchandise in if you're in the

1661
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UK um it's it warstones if you want to

1662
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order it um hopefully it's going to be

1663
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in a few other places as well if you

1664
00:59:26,839 --> 00:59:31,160
want to see more about me I've got

1665
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Facebook the L of fex I've got Instagram

1666
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:37,160
L of fex I've got a website AC

1667
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:39,039
w.co and yeah I I I do I do a

1668
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,480
subscription email uh through my website

1669
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where I try and do like you know hear

1670
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some tips for how to do this or how to

1671
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write in certain ways or here's a fun

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1673
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,799
think it's worth signing up to it but

1674
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:55,960
you know I'm writing them so maybe I'm

1675
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:57,200
B no absolutely all the links uh to the

1676
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website and the socials will be in the

1677
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episode description so please do check

1678
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out there the only thing I have to say

1679
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,000
then is thank you ever so much for

1680
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,160
joining us on the show Austin that was

1681
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,119
fantastic it's good to yeah get back to

1682
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,280
it and and have a chat and um and also

1683
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:11,799
you know someone local relative to the

1684
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:15,160
rest of our

1685
01:00:11,799 --> 01:00:17,440
guests it's I do really appreciate it so

1686
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:20,000
thank you uh for coming on the show

1687
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,480
thank you to everyone for listening at

1688
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,799
home as usual everything's in the

1689
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,400
episode description please do check us

1690
01:00:23,799 --> 01:00:27,720
both out

1691
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,319
I would very much gladly have you back

1692
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,039
on the show again to talk more about our

1693
01:00:29,319 --> 01:00:33,640
endeavors I'd love to come back let's

1694
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:35,000
let's talk about the fact that players

1695
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,200
never seem to get through a door first

1696
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,359
time

1697
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:41,160
around that's good nice we'll cover both

1698
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:44,160
spectrum of the words that we'd have in

1699
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:46,760
the show uh yeah so thank you everyone

1700
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:49,079
to listening at home that's bye from

1701
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:52,200
myself goodbye it's goodbye from Austin

1702
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:54,160
bye and we'll see you on the next

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