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welcome thinkers to season 4 episode 16

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of thinking critically once again no new

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updates this week I continue to stream

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mainly some video games at the moment

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some steel Rising catch me on twitch.tv

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thinking critically otherwise we still

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have one more episode left before the

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end of the year so I hope you have a

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great December and I'll see you on

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Christmas Eve eve but let's get on with

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the show

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thank you

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and today I'm joined by Jack whitehill

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of dice average RPG thank you ever so

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much for joining us today Jack can you

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tell us a little bit about yourself yeah

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yeah I think I am um a designer and

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editor and publisher for tabletop

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role-playing game content mostly for

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fifth edition I work out of the DM's

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Guild I've edited a few bigger projects

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and I've released a fair amount of stuff

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myself

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at the moment I am currently working or

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I've just released a couple of books

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namely uh to avenirs pocketbook to

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ravenloft as a big book of ravenloft

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domains like an expansion to Van

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richton's guide to ravenloft um it's

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published by czrpg who I've worked with

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for a really long time and I also put

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out Gollum there's a book of uh new

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construct creatures as well and sort of

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a part of a wider project to just sort

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of revamp a bunch of the different

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creature types which I've been toying

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around with for the past few months

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awesome and of course we're doing your

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well actually how far through are you in

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your your spell book at the moment uh so

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my Spellbook for those who don't know is

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a a daily rating of all of the spells in

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d d 5e sort of going through them

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alphabetically I am currently Midway

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through e

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I am at 130 something I'm not sure I

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have written up to 136 uh 135 was put

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out today I'm up to tomorrow's once I'll

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be running some more tomorrow awesome

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well yeah a lot then to go off of and

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the reason I bring up your spell book is

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of course because today's topic is

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spells so what does that mean to you in

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the DND and wider ttrpg framework

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one of my first things on the guild was

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releasing a book of spells and it was it

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was

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one of the bigger things I I did early

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on it was it was sort of this a

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compilation of a lot of the stuff I'd

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made really really early on I then went

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back and like upgraded it a bit because

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uh it was a lot of it was I made very

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early on and it kind of sucked but um

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I'm I'm a big fan of the Way spells work

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in 5e it's especially like they bring a

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lot to the table that they are probably

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my favorite thing to design and I I have

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made an ungodly amount of them like the

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ones I've published on the guild is in

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the 300s range the ones I've made

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personally is well over 500 I think of

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just like revamping spells that exist in

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the game already it's I I've made it my

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personal Vendetta to Vendetta my

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personal mission to make the um the list

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of spells in my home game as

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comedically large as possible which it

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already is but it's not going to stop me

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yes at the um going through and learning

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about spells I haven't really thought

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about seeing new spells come out and

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going oh cool this Spell's actually

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really interesting you're going this is

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also pack of wank it's terrible is

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um it's it's a really fun process of

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sort of having that kind of like

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so sort of a top-down view of um of the

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way the Spells work and uh sort of how

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how effective they are in your average

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game and in games where people play a

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lot more rules as written uh which is

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like how I quite like to play the game

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is you know not to the letter

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technically you can stabilize the

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creatures through time and space because

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there's no stipulation on Range oh yeah

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yeah but like within the spirit of you

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know reasonability running the game

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rules as written

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um is is how I quite enjoy it and sort

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of the the kind of the strategy of like

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exactly what is strong and what very

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specifically isn't in different ways I

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I've always found really interesting

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there's a lot there's a lot of spells

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that in a vacuum seem really really

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strong yeah but if you depending on how

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you play the game and how your DM runs

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the game

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makes them wildly all over the place

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like there are there are some spells

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where DMS can sort of run them wrong in

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in some way and it makes them absurd

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yeah and a lot of like um area of effect

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spells where you put them down

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oh it enters the area for the first time

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on a turn or starts its turn there yes I

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use Moonbeam as my Paladin and every

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time I'm like okay so I've done it now

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but actually nothing happens for maybe

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half an hour like in real time so I I

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used to run spells where I was like well

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they've entered the area because you've

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just made it for a really long time and

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then it became very apparent like after

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probably about two or three years of

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running spells like that that it made

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certain spells horrendously overpowered

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and then there's other spells like it

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where creatures have to end their turn

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in the area which under all

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circumstances are awful yep like

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incendiary Cloud eighth level spell huge

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damage massive area heavily obscured

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area really strong only does damage to

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creatures that end their turn in the

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area therefore it is terrible it's a

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terrible spell because what creature of

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their right mind is gonna choose to walk

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into this yeah or creatures that you

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know you drop it on top of them I think

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they take the damage on cast which is

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not bad book they can just walk out of

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it like why would they not even if

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because when I was looking into Moonbeam

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and good ways to you know effective ways

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to apply that it was like oh this is a

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good area of you know area denial like

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you put it in a choke point everybody

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has to walk through it they get busted

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by it so say there's a corridor that's

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five foot wide and very long you put it

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in the middle every creature that walks

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through triggers it because it's when

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they enter but for that instant Dairy

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Cloud they could just run through it and

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not take the damage right even if it's

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30 foot they could just Dash outside

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inside outside and take no damage right

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if I understand yeah like it like there

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are instances where it can do that where

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it like Burns their turn like they have

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to dash through which is pretty powerful

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but for an eighth level slot it's not

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that you you can you can cast um oh what

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what is the spell uh hunger for Dar

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which is the same kind of thing but it

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is a heavy it is a difficult terrain

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um it has magical darkness and worded in

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the worst way possible but it is

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technically magical Darkness like so

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creatures moving through the area they

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basically have to spend their whole turn

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to dash through maybe more

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um So Hunger fedar is not too bad but

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like incendiary Cloud I think is

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probably the biggest one where it's like

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yeah it's just a bad spell yeah for an

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eighth level I agree we've talked so

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much already and I think it's a really

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interesting way to it's a really good

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lens to look at DND and 5e and the rules

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and kind of the design intent through

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the spells like the way what they're

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trying to achieve or where that where

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where they're thinking about things and

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where you know it feels like they've

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tried to experiment with something and

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it hasn't quite worked but it's just

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like a vestigial spell that's been left

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in just for historical purposes it's

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very interesting to view D through the

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lens of the Spells and that's one of the

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things your Spellbook series of tweets

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is I find interesting reading because

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I'm like I never thought of it that way

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or oh yeah I guess you could use the

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spell in that application and it just

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can completely change you know once

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you've taken a really good look at this

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as well because frankly like DND Beyond

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his help

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looking at you know when you get given a

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classic and cast spells it will filter

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it down and say Here's the 10 you can

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pick and you can quite quickly click on

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one but when I was making my first

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characters way back when with the books

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man I'm not it's like a zillion spells

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and I'm not reading every single one and

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trying that was just gonna take hours

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and hours and hours yeah for it to be

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potentially garbage like that's just

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such a waste of a waste of time but that

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though that trap still exists I have

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lost counting amount of times my players

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have all new mainly all new apart from

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two have picked a spell

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and gone wow this sounds cool let me use

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it and I've gone oh actually have you

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read that one do you want to have

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another little quick read for me and

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they'll sit there and go blah blah blah

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oh wait so I have to be underwater for

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the sake of argument and I've gone yeah

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that's going well cool

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that's just a wasted

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yeah yeah my my attitude has always been

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like if if a player is about to stumble

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into a trap like usually you know I will

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ask players when they're leveling up

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like oh what are you picking for the

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exact purpose of like oh I want to pick

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this so I can go okay maybe think about

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this before you you know yeah because

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one one big thing I I've really kind of

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noticed about 5e more so than any other

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like game or piece of media I've really

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engaged with is you you can't think

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about it like gameplay wise in the same

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way you would something like

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World of Warcraft or really just any

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other game like or any like like a like

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an MMOs or a MOBA or something that's

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probably the best example and the bet

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the best comparison I can think of is

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in an RPG or an MMO or something like

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that the best thing you can be doing all

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the time when you are playing a Healer

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is to constantly heal people who are

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damaged you just oh you're missing

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Health okay here you go here's my

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healing spell because that manner or

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whatever resource it is that you use

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generally comes back usually very

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quickly find me does not work that way

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and the healing spells that you have in

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MMOs and mobas and things like that are

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usually really good oh yes here's a

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fifth of your health bag here's 80 of

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your health back just one button there

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you go 5e there is one spell that does

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that and it's healed and heals actually

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really good

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um every other healing spell is his 10

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hit points are you higher than level two

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okay right that was negligible yeah I I

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have actively wasted my turn and a spell

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slot healing yeah like this this is this

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is a lesson I guess for for people who

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may not already know this I hammer on

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about this in my home game all the time

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of if they aren't unconscious you do not

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cast The Healing Spell like Aura

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Vitality sure fine uh healing Spirit

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yeah okay can't hurt but if you're

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casting healing words or kill wounds

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or someone who has more than zero hit

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points you have officially wasted your

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spell slot yeah unless you are first

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level and even then you have so few

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spell swords it's probably still a waste

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yeah and the enemies are so low that at

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the first level spell will probably

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finish one off anyway and of course

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having no enemies on the board is the

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best way to not lose Health yes but yeah

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obviously that's a very good example of

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what I was trying to talk about earlier

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on in that it's a way to view the design

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of the game and healing spells is a very

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very good example of that I've seen I've

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been disappointed myself I've seen the

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disappointment in other people where

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they go check this this level four cure

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wounds I'm gonna heal our tank right up

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clack that'll be 12 and it's like oh the

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barbarian's got 150 HP so

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cool and an effective 300 with raging so

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yeah 12 is

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I guess effective 24 but

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still like

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nothing yeah

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it is again that that brings you into

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that discussion of the potential

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drawbacks of the rule set in terms of

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yoyoing and up and down up and down I've

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talked about it on the health episode

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before where it's that yo-yo effective

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he's down he's up he's down he's up and

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now I've finally sat down to think about

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it it is a really weird way of viewing

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health I used to buy a lot of World of

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Warcraft and thankfully kicked that

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habit many many years ago but for a

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brief spell I was I was a healing

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healing Paladin and it is like like you

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said as soon as you're out combat

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Manor's back

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but it just starts regening at like 500

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right we just use some weird ability

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that you've got oh it's all back again

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and yeah you're just blasting like AOE

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cone of healing that's just like douche

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80 Health across the board fine oh

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instant Hill to full yep fine that 10

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minutes and I'll get that back no

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problem so the way you approach the idea

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of Health as a resource is very

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different I think it's we I can talk

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until the cows come home about the

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differences between video games and

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tabletop by RPGs but that's one of them

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that I think is often overlooked or at

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least we haven't talked about in detail

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on the show before where it is that that

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resource management and not just like oh

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it's an interesting decision do I spend

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extra do I spend y to save Zed it's no

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health is this very weird thing that you

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don't know yeah what it is and a similar

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thing again regular listeners of the

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show and I'm an avid gloomhaven player

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which is a board game tactical hex based

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fighting elements of random but very

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gritty and crunchy mechanics throwback

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to earlier Seasons there and um that HP

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and that is not Health it is

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it's going to sound very weird but like

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it's not again healing is a lossy is a

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lossy process for most of the characters

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and most of the classes because HP isn't

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this thing to be like Oh I'm now weaker

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it's just I'm not explaining it very

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well but those who play will know that

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it is just another resource to spend

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because you can you can lose cards to

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just completely mitigate damage so then

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it's again your cards are your health

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rather than your actual HP your HP is

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just like a shield

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yeah and it's your cards that are more

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important because when you run out of

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college you definitely can't play

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anymore

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your health is just like this weird

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little Shield buffer in front of your

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actual Health which is the cards you

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hold in your hand and I feel like that

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is probably a weirdly similar to to

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health and and healing in in d d more so

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than obviously World of Warcraft

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I've always kind of considered like I

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know as sort of stepping away from

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spells a little bit but like when I

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think of Health in d d it's sort of that

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especially a lot of like older players

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who are like oh you regained one hit

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point every long rest back in my day

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like I've encountered a few people like

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that some of them are very friendly and

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they're just like oh this is how the

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game was played and some of them aren't

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that's just kind of people are like that

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but and they sort of have a negative

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opinion of fifth edition and all newer

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editions especially because you get all

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your health back on the long rest and

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and toward to a lot of people now to

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think about like getting one and one hit

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point every every long rest or every or

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one hit point every week I I if I

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remember correctly it was earlier that

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I'm you know don't don't quote me on

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that but I'm fairly certain that was

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like something similar to that in like

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really early editions where like

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campaigns would literally be campaigns

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they were you know like a war campaign

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would last a year in the universe maybe

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longer but you know they sort of scoff

407
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at 5e like oh you just take a nap and

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you're fine but it's the hit points

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become a lot more abstract you know when

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I think of hit points in 5e it's like if

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you if you take damage it's less I have

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been stabbed it's more I have narrowly

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avoided turning a you know a minor

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surface injury into actually being

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stabbed in the stomach whereas when you

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drop to zero oh I've actually been like

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seriously injured yeah and then the

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healing spells kind of make a bit more

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sense because they heal the serious

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injury and leave the kind of surface

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level yeah yeah so like flesh wound I

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guess yeah and again especially at

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higher level so my guys in our level 11

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level 12 ish and building engaging

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combat encounters is the story unto

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itself and what I won't get into today

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but very tricky because

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they've got so many abilities their aces

429
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are so high like actually doing damage

430
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to their HP is almost a rare occurrence

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nowadays and to challenge them we need

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to throw bigger and bigger creatures at

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them for those listening don't at me I

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know all the all the tricks and all the

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tips you know targets objectives Dynamic

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encounters Dynamic environments all that

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kind of stuff you know mobs of lower do

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it all uh and the last combat they had a

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fire giant Dreadnought show up I love

440
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those things it's kind of like the the

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boss of that particular encounter kind

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of like halfway through it was it

443
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appeared through a fire portal and was

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like I'm a walking shield and just two

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huge rocks at the Flying cleric it's got

446
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like plus 12 to hit on these flying

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rocks

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and it just did an insane like 79 damage

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between the two of them can't remember

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if that was a crit or not but just a

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huge amount of damage just like boom

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and the cleric went from Full HP maybe

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even with temporary HP I think because

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it was Twilight so we get some weird Ops

455
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Twilight Aura thing but yeah I was

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wondering why you you were having some

457
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problems with hitting players and

458
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damages oh there's a Twilight cleric in

459
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your party okay that explains everything

460
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to be to be fair to that play I said in

461
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a meme that was like players that play

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these kind of characters and he'd play

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like loads of them so I was like ah from

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this meme I can guess what your next

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build will be and here's ah all jokes

466
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aside if you want me to tone down my

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Twilight cleric I can I was like no no

468
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it's fine you can't tone down a Twilight

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like it's just innately how Twilight

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clerics are it's not like hexadin or

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like you know like all the what hex hex

472
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played one dips and all that nonsense

473
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where it's like you have to consciously

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decide to do it the simple Act of

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playing a Twilight means that you have

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your character is fundamentally

477
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overpowered because Twilight cleric was

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designed by someone on drugs and play

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tested by several more people who were

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all inexplicably also on drugs

481
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yeah that's a wild pie that results in

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the oh that Tasha's is so great all of

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the content is incredible and this is

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Twilight and peace domain just sort of

485
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being the worst designed piles of junk

486
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just slapped on top of them like oh cool

487
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yes tarnish the reputation otherwise

488
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really fantastic book yeah so that that

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is what what he is he's just flying

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around

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huge Aura of Darkness everybody gets

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dark vision yeah and everybody gets

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temporary hit points he's he's sitting

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there boom

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goes down to like single digits and that

496
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was just such a weird completely like

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change the dynamic in one turn of a

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fight and there was no I'm still working

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I mean they enjoyed it which I guess is

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the most important thing like that's

501
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fine but I'm still trying to work out

502
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whether that should have been a bit

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slower than just like boom the cleric is

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now on Live 5 HP and he's the only one

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that can revive and heal people

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so

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um but anyway we've digressed hugely

508
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into HP specifically yeah but but

509
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because it the Spells took us on that

510
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discussion because it is it is very

511
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interesting to be like because they are

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they as you said as you brought it up

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they are the Trap swells some of them

514
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are more more so than others but a lot

515
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of them are like just don't bother yeah

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which is why I quite like that there's

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no obviously some classes are more

518
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skewed and some subclasses specifically

519
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are more skewed to like oh if you heal

520
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somebody they get the maximum number

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it's a druid subclass maybe that's a

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clear example it's a it's grave domain

523
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when they target creatures on zero hit

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points which is which is actually a

525
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pretty cool ability because it empowers

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the one type of healing that's actually

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good

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um it's like oh my kill wounds is

529
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maximized at the time when I should be

530
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casting It Anyway nice yes and that

531
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that's nice scaling as well because

532
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obviously you upcast that and that's a

533
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lot of magazine that actually makes

534
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upcasting the healing spells good as

535
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well which is which is even even even

536
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stranger

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[Laughter]

538
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um but yeah at the end of that fight the

539
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the Dreadnought they won like a couple

540
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of them were down

541
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and the cleric just did like Mass I

542
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,960
forgot that is it mascule wounds or

543
00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:38,340
there's another one there's Mass healing

544
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,720
word and mass kill wounds are the one

545
00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:42,299
that comes to mind maybe it's Mass

546
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,160
healing web then he also dropped like is

547
00:20:42,299 --> 00:20:46,380
it just like heel but it's just like a

548
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,559
flat 80 or something like that yeah he

549
00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:52,620
heel is um is is a flat uh is a flat

550
00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:54,960
number yeah I think it's 70 for a sixth

551
00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:57,419
level slot plus ten per level I think

552
00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,360
hang on yes I have an index on me right

553
00:20:57,419 --> 00:21:02,100
now it is 70 hit points nice oh well

554
00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:05,640
remembered I was close I'm happy with my

555
00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:07,640
80. uh yeah I'd say I I have a the 17th

556
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,980
level cleric in one of my games as well

557
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,840
yeah we have the Barbarian who is the

558
00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:14,820
highest damage dealer in the party but

559
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,860
gets melted for most of his health every

560
00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:18,299
single turn so this this poor dude who

561
00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:19,620
came to play a cool Forge cleric

562
00:21:18,299 --> 00:21:21,660
basically has to spend every turn

563
00:21:19,620 --> 00:21:24,299
casting heel on the Barbarian to stop

564
00:21:21,660 --> 00:21:25,980
him from dying yes yeah and that that

565
00:21:24,299 --> 00:21:28,200
funny enough that was on my another one

566
00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:31,620
of my players who's hard to kill a eight

567
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:34,679
Blood Hunter three Barbarian multi-class

568
00:21:31,620 --> 00:21:37,980
guy who is just an insanely complicated

569
00:21:34,679 --> 00:21:40,380
class of High AC and damage resistance

570
00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:42,179
and damage output and he went down low

571
00:21:40,380 --> 00:21:44,640
which he never likes because

572
00:21:42,179 --> 00:21:45,960
he didn't like losing HP and then yeah

573
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,100
they're Twilight characters like boom

574
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,580
there's your

575
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:52,919
60 70 HP and his eyes lit up like it was

576
00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:55,679
Christmas day here yeah I'll back up

577
00:21:52,919 --> 00:21:56,820
again that's lovely that's like that's

578
00:21:55,679 --> 00:21:59,900
the biggest hill I've ever seen anyone

579
00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:59,900
do I think were his words

580
00:22:00,059 --> 00:22:02,880
I wanted to talk a little bit more about

581
00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:04,919
these trap spells I've mentioned them

582
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,860
briefly on on other

583
00:22:04,919 --> 00:22:09,419
uh episodes a few spring to mind when I

584
00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:12,000
was thinking about this earlier on one

585
00:22:09,419 --> 00:22:14,460
is was it true strike is the classic is

586
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,580
the is the archetypical haha we got yeah

587
00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:20,880
you've wasted a spell slot uh I'm gonna

588
00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:24,179
reveal a secret to you because that I

589
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:26,400
rate all my spells one to five yeah uh

590
00:22:24,179 --> 00:22:28,679
obviously one being terrible you should

591
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,380
never pick this it's just bad five being

592
00:22:28,679 --> 00:22:33,059
this is fantastic it's either broken or

593
00:22:31,380 --> 00:22:34,440
it's so good that if you have the

594
00:22:33,059 --> 00:22:36,960
opportunity to pick it you probably

595
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,780
should it's really good I've been saving

596
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,659
zero specifically for True strike it is

597
00:22:39,780 --> 00:22:46,260
the only the only spell in the game I

598
00:22:42,659 --> 00:22:48,960
think that has no use it is actively

599
00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:51,900
detrimental to cast and gives you

600
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,539
nothing of use yeah like there are

601
00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:55,799
plenty of bad spells like I I like I I

602
00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:59,100
did

603
00:22:55,799 --> 00:23:01,020
um Elemental Bane oh yes yesterday

604
00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:04,500
um I think and that is just a bad spell

605
00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:06,600
what it is is is a very bad spell it for

606
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:08,580
mostly you spend a turn you have to

607
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,140
concentrate they get a save against it

608
00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:12,480
anyway for an effect that's just a worse

609
00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:14,700
hex for a fourth level slot like it's

610
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:18,900
just a terrible spell but at the very

611
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:20,820
least it still does something yes like

612
00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:23,400
um true strike you spend your turn you

613
00:23:20,820 --> 00:23:25,200
concentrate to gain advantage on an

614
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,480
attack on your next turn so if you

615
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,280
Quicken it like for the longest time I

616
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,440
had like a source or a rogue in a game I

617
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,720
used to run on a Saturday uh and she

618
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,940
quickened true strike because neither of

619
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,580
us read it that it said the first attack

620
00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:40,559
on your next turn oh God so you can't

621
00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:42,240
even I I've for the longest time I was

622
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:44,039
like no true strike's good because you

623
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,360
can Quicken it as a rogue and it's you

624
00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:47,400
know this very specific instance it's

625
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:52,620
actually no it doesn't work true strike

626
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:54,600
is is just bad it's genuinely like it it

627
00:23:52,620 --> 00:23:57,840
almost feels like it was a joke like

628
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,159
like like 3.5 true Strikers plus 20 to

629
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,740
hit on your next attack which is

630
00:23:59,159 --> 00:24:04,320
actually cool damn but in the context of

631
00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:06,419
3.5 I think plus 20 to hit is not as

632
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,860
crazy as it sounds of course yes because

633
00:24:06,419 --> 00:24:10,140
they they changed the way yeah the

634
00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:13,140
scaling yeah like 3.5 and 5e are like

635
00:24:10,140 --> 00:24:15,780
weirdly Parable except in the grounds of

636
00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:18,659
specific like numbers like bonuses and

637
00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:20,400
ACS get into like the 40s in 3.5 I think

638
00:24:18,659 --> 00:24:22,200
the same for fourth edition as well but

639
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,320
otherwise they're surprisingly powerable

640
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,820
I feel like every time some poor bastard

641
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,360
casts Street strike at their table

642
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:32,700
somebody Wizards of the Coast just has a

643
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:34,740
ah they just get a message there were

644
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:37,799
some royalties ding on their phone their

645
00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:40,200
phone vibrates another poor soul uh and

646
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:43,700
that's it they put it in the game to

647
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:46,200
police some Machiavellian entity there

648
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:48,299
that enjoys suffering

649
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,880
so I'm trying to think of other like

650
00:24:48,299 --> 00:24:53,159
interesting so there is there is a

651
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,679
another one I thought of was yeah

652
00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:57,179
another one I thought of was I think I

653
00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:58,559
have used to strike it is the classic

654
00:24:57,179 --> 00:25:00,299
like oh

655
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:02,340
I've not had Advantage before rolling

656
00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:04,380
two dice that sounds great fine I'll do

657
00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:06,179
it and then once you actually sit down

658
00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:08,520
and think about like opportunity cost

659
00:25:06,179 --> 00:25:10,500
and spell slots and stuff you're like oh

660
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,780
yeah yeah that's the moment you spend

661
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:13,820
two seconds thinking about you like wait

662
00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:16,860
a minute

663
00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:18,960
this isn't doing anything at all

664
00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:21,059
yeah

665
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,919
um the other one that I've read isn't

666
00:25:21,059 --> 00:25:25,559
isn't very good is the one that's like

667
00:25:22,919 --> 00:25:26,900
uh Force lightning what is it which is

668
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,580
which boat

669
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:30,659
yes

670
00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:33,840
per turn or something like that it's

671
00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:35,460
yeah it is it is 1D it is a a ranged

672
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,200
weapon attack there's one D12 lightning

673
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:39,840
damage and on your turn you can spend an

674
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,360
action to do another 1d12 damage yeah

675
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,679
I've taken I've taken that and used that

676
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,179
and I didn't read it properly and then

677
00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:48,120
got to my next turn I was like oh it's

678
00:25:45,179 --> 00:25:49,980
an action to do the damage again oh yeah

679
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:52,500
spell also ends if you use your action

680
00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:55,080
to do anything else or if you're ever

681
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:56,700
outside of the Spells 30 foot range yeah

682
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,220
don't don't want to play in this combat

683
00:25:56,700 --> 00:26:00,779
anymore just just do which boat and then

684
00:25:59,220 --> 00:26:03,360
just turn your brain off because that's

685
00:26:00,779 --> 00:26:05,340
the only thing you can do from now on

686
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:07,740
do they save every turn or is it a

687
00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:09,779
straight is it they don't get a save but

688
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:12,900
the damage is so negligible oh yes who

689
00:26:09,779 --> 00:26:14,880
cares just cast I don't know chaos ball

690
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:17,460
or chromatic orb or something you will

691
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,320
do more damage yeah so that those are

692
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:21,480
the two true strike in which boat are

693
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,340
the two that yeah true strike is the

694
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,960
poster boy for bad spells but which boat

695
00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:27,900
is a one that surprised me again because

696
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:30,360
it's that it's a more hideous hideous

697
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:32,640
more hidden sounds better on paper but

698
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:36,240
then which part is definitely from from

699
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,940
my it's probably the number two of like

700
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,740
um others others like there are a lot of

701
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:42,539
like quite well-known ones that are you

702
00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:43,799
know like crown of Madness is bad for

703
00:26:42,539 --> 00:26:45,120
basically the same reason which fault is

704
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,320
you have to spend your turn to do

705
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,539
something that isn't really all that

706
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,299
good except they also get a save as well

707
00:26:48,539 --> 00:26:53,100
oh okay like um crown of Madness is is

708
00:26:51,299 --> 00:26:56,700
very very bad is that the one that's

709
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:59,520
like you can control another creature is

710
00:26:56,700 --> 00:27:01,080
that yes yeah so but you lose your your

711
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,500
own agency because you're having to

712
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:07,020
control them anyway so yeah so uh it

713
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:09,299
charms them the charm creature much must

714
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:10,860
use its action before moving on each of

715
00:27:09,299 --> 00:27:12,600
its turns to make a melee attack against

716
00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:15,600
a creature other than itself that you

717
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,279
mentally choose before moving yeah so if

718
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,659
there's no one near it there's nothing

719
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:20,460
you can do

720
00:27:18,659 --> 00:27:22,260
and you have to spend your action every

721
00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:24,480
turn to maintain control over the Target

722
00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:25,740
and the target can make a wisdom save at

723
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,320
the end of each of their turns to end

724
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:30,740
the spell hard so yeah then like uh

725
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:34,080
linear so yeah that's

726
00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:36,799
so firstly net combatants stays the same

727
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:40,799
they lose you but they gain an enemy so

728
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:42,480
I guess kinda but yeah well yeah you

729
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,460
know ideally that's how it works so I

730
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,799
guess technically the enemies lose one

731
00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:48,480
man power on their side fine okay maybe

732
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,919
for a turn

733
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,779
if there's somebody close to them

734
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,679
they'll get an attack off if not you

735
00:27:51,779 --> 00:27:54,240
have to spend at least one of those

736
00:27:52,679 --> 00:27:56,580
turns moving them somewhere there's at

737
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,260
least two turns lost if they're not

738
00:27:56,580 --> 00:27:59,400
adjacent to somebody already and if

739
00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:00,419
they're not adjacent to someone they

740
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:05,279
just get to take their turn normally

741
00:28:00,419 --> 00:28:06,240
anyway so indeed yeah and so what you're

742
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,919
effectively doing because probably

743
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,659
they'll start to be chances of breaking

744
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:11,760
out by second third turn is probably

745
00:28:09,659 --> 00:28:14,159
pretty high depending on obviously other

746
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,200
context to that point you've just

747
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:18,299
it's like a worser stun because you've

748
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,820
just you've had to take yourself and

749
00:28:18,299 --> 00:28:24,840
them out rather than just a stun which a

750
00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:26,840
monk can do every melee here yeah

751
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,840
cool

752
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,159
what other ones

753
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,539
while you're looking I'll give you some

754
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:35,520
time to look it does it does make you

755
00:28:33,539 --> 00:28:38,400
laugh doesn't it there I don't know what

756
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,320
the it feels deliberate at this point

757
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,000
yeah you know it can't be a mistake

758
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,820
those three we've mentioned plus the

759
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,960
healing ones being a bit janky it feels

760
00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:47,460
like they've been

761
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,600
is it like intelligent otherwise

762
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:49,440
intelligent people have designed them

763
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,059
because they've designed the other

764
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,740
spells so at some point they must have

765
00:28:51,059 --> 00:28:54,059
gone okay this is

766
00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:56,039
useless

767
00:28:54,059 --> 00:28:59,159
ship it that's okay

768
00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,779
yeah and why why why what is that what

769
00:28:59,159 --> 00:29:02,299
is that what are we missing I feel like

770
00:29:00,779 --> 00:29:05,279
I'm missing something there's a reason

771
00:29:02,299 --> 00:29:07,140
why that would do that is it like a

772
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:09,900
is it a like a

773
00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:12,240
a built-in teaching exercise to be like

774
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:14,460
haha make sure you read the spells

775
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,140
because you just wasted a spell slot I

776
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:19,140
don't know I

777
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:21,240
think most of it is down to the content

778
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:22,980
in the player's handbook because if you

779
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,419
really go back and look at like some of

780
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:27,480
the other stuff in the player's handbook

781
00:29:24,419 --> 00:29:29,399
most of it's bad not specifically the

782
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Spells but like all of the class options

783
00:29:29,399 --> 00:29:37,440
with some very specific exceptions

784
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:39,480
are just really terrible Rogue has one

785
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,120
mediocre subclass in Arcane trickster

786
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,460
the other two are just awful Barbarian

787
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,500
if you're not Beethoven Barbarian

788
00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:48,840
they're both you know Berserker is bad

789
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:53,159
all the other totem options are not very

790
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:55,919
good but Valor Is Not Great Laura's all

791
00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:58,679
right cleric has exactly one good one

792
00:29:55,919 --> 00:30:00,840
two mediocre ones and all the other like

793
00:29:58,679 --> 00:30:02,580
seven are terrible

794
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:07,260
um Tempest is fantastic is actually

795
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:08,640
really good light is okay life is also

796
00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:10,500
okay

797
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,659
all the others off the top of my head

798
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:14,760
suck yeah with the exception of like

799
00:30:12,659 --> 00:30:16,200
wizard which has AB duration and

800
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,539
divination which are probably the best

801
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,120
subclasses in the player's house

802
00:30:17,539 --> 00:30:23,820
divinations like

803
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:26,340
divination is is the source of many of

804
00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:29,100
my bad beat dming story uh hid like like

805
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:31,020
stories of false cage

806
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,760
um scatter important sorry you failed

807
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:34,559
the Savior inside the force cage now I

808
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,360
mean most of my bad bad B dming stories

809
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,340
just involve the players casting the

810
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,500
spell Force cage right that's that's

811
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:42,000
that spell is a poison we'll come back

812
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,380
to that one in a second all right let's

813
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,419
talk about that one in a second things

814
00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:47,399
to say

815
00:30:44,419 --> 00:30:48,240
let me give you a platform what was it

816
00:30:47,399 --> 00:30:49,620
was the other wizard one story

817
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,980
divination

818
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:55,140
um duration isn't like absurd but it's

819
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:57,179
very very good and it's actually really

820
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:59,880
fun it allows you to if you really sort

821
00:30:57,179 --> 00:31:02,520
of spec into it you can not really tank

822
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:06,480
but you can be very very difficult to

823
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:09,480
harm awesome yeah adoration wizard is is

824
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,039
very good fun like yeah transmutation is

825
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480
okay it's definitely the middle of the

826
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,340
road one but all of the others are

827
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,559
mostly just kind of whatever and unless

828
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:19,140
you really met a game with conjuration

829
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:21,260
wizard minor conjuration which is a

830
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:24,419
special kind of like

831
00:31:21,260 --> 00:31:27,299
it's kind of gross yeah have duration at

832
00:31:24,419 --> 00:31:29,159
level 14 gets advantage on saving throws

833
00:31:27,299 --> 00:31:32,460
against spells and resistance against

834
00:31:29,159 --> 00:31:34,860
spells which is just insane ah see see I

835
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:36,779
that's that's the the it's specifically

836
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:39,360
spells there are a lot of monsters that

837
00:31:36,779 --> 00:31:41,460
do magical things oh yes spells

838
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,840
literally I should know better

839
00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:43,919
take a disc because we've literally just

840
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,360
had this in one of our campaigns and

841
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:47,340
playing it I've been fighting a lot of

842
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,320
like iths and mind flayers and stuff and

843
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:51,620
they've got so much which I'm like

844
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,120
because we've got me in a bad both like

845
00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:55,980
sweating to do counter spell because my

846
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,500
pardon took uh one of the things that

847
00:31:55,980 --> 00:32:02,460
allows it to do countless bone and we're

848
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:04,799
like is that smell is that spell uh it

849
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:07,679
just says it like does the this thing no

850
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:09,840
it's not a spell yeah fine so yeah

851
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:12,360
you're absolutely right on that one they

852
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,220
also have cyanic spells which um don't

853
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,020
have somatical verbal components so you

854
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:17,220
can't see them casting the spell and

855
00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:19,799
therefore you can't counter spell them

856
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:22,679
either which is uh look at that little

857
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:25,200
that little niche Edge case there of the

858
00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:27,179
uh the counter as well yes trying to

859
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,919
find like if we get like a lot of the

860
00:32:27,179 --> 00:32:31,380
really really bad spells I think are

861
00:32:28,919 --> 00:32:32,880
mostly down to the general low power

862
00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:35,700
content of the stuff in the player's

863
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,620
handbook and because there are so many

864
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:39,419
spells in the player's handbook I think

865
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:42,179
I think it is like

866
00:32:39,419 --> 00:32:44,039
given especially how small the DND Like

867
00:32:42,179 --> 00:32:47,580
rules team is I I know like the original

868
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:49,320
designers for fifth edition there was

869
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:51,360
um you know obviously there's there's

870
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,120
there's Jake raw and then there's the

871
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,220
other guy and then to my understanding

872
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,220
the rest of their team I'm I'm not sure

873
00:32:56,220 --> 00:33:00,960
how big they are but it's a very small

874
00:32:59,220 --> 00:33:02,580
team and being being able to get all of

875
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,440
them to test the 300 and something

876
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:07,799
spells on the players handbook and like

877
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,080
for all of them to turn out good

878
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,880
um you know I'm not at all surprised

879
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,500
something like a crown of Madness or

880
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,179
witchbolt slipped through the cracks of

881
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,980
like especially because the game was so

882
00:33:15,179 --> 00:33:18,360
new and they're not like to my

883
00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:20,399
understanding a lot of older editions of

884
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,720
d d don't quite have the sort of action

885
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:24,000
economy

886
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,500
I wouldn't say problem but like aspect

887
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,080
of the game quite as heavily as fifth

888
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:29,460
edition does yeah I I wouldn't quote me

889
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,919
on that because my experience with other

890
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:34,799
editions of the game is limited

891
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:37,080
um and the general people people who go

892
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:39,840
super hard on like learning exactly how

893
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,220
to play these games to the letter is not

894
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,779
anywhere near as big for any of the

895
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:45,120
other editions either

896
00:33:42,779 --> 00:33:47,820
so that maybe that may be wrong but

897
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,740
there's a lot of a lot of uh things in

898
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:52,380
older editions where spells are

899
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:53,940
generally just way stronger yeah like a

900
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:56,220
bit like people people talk about the

901
00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:58,679
Marshall Caster disparity and 5e and

902
00:33:56,220 --> 00:34:01,200
until the cows come home whether they're

903
00:33:58,679 --> 00:34:03,120
right or not but you know that it's we

904
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,980
have it easy compared to

905
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,960
um compared to 3.5 players where it's

906
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:09,119
you know you play into sort of layer

907
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,760
levels in 3.5 you just stop playing a

908
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,560
fire like what are you doing you know

909
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,480
why would you why would you stab a guy

910
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,879
four times when you can turn said guy

911
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,220
into a pile of mush or whatever it just

912
00:34:17,879 --> 00:34:22,139
turn him inside out yeah

913
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:23,280
I did I saw it funny funny you should

914
00:34:22,139 --> 00:34:25,679
mention that I saw the meme today I've

915
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,240
seen that Invincible meme from the the

916
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,040
TV show Invincible where the guy's

917
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:31,220
punching him and he grabs the fist out

918
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,899
of the air and the first panel is

919
00:34:31,220 --> 00:34:35,820
casters you know outplay

920
00:34:33,899 --> 00:34:37,859
Marshalls at high levels it's just

921
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:39,179
absurd and then the catch is like but

922
00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:41,599
this campaign isn't getting past level

923
00:34:39,179 --> 00:34:41,599
10.

924
00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:48,599
players and was like yeah leveling up is

925
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,099
gonna slow so you might want to um start

926
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,780
thinking about tweet if you if you've

927
00:34:50,099 --> 00:34:54,859
got your heart set on a level 20 build

928
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:56,639
you might want to um yeah

929
00:34:54,859 --> 00:34:59,400
settle in for a little while because

930
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:01,560
that might not come I've played into

931
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,300
sort of later tier four multiple times

932
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,920
like I've you know either game right now

933
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,060
where the characters have just hit 17th

934
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,859
level and the campaign just going to be

935
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:09,359
ending quite soon and I've played other

936
00:35:07,859 --> 00:35:11,880
games what they've got to 17th 18th

937
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:14,099
level only one campaign I've gotten has

938
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,780
gotten players to 20th level and Beyond

939
00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:18,540
I had to like invent content of like

940
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:20,220
what is a level 21 Rook get uh sure this

941
00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:22,500
more sneak attack when in doubt for

942
00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:24,540
Rogues just more there were some there

943
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:25,800
was some crazy stuff in there that a lot

944
00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:27,900
of things I ended up sort of home

945
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,060
brewing into the base game as well like

946
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,680
um uh Rogues with the ability to take

947
00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:34,020
extra bonus actions by spending a

948
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,579
resource is turns out just a really fun

949
00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:38,820
game mechanic I just slapped it into

950
00:35:35,579 --> 00:35:39,900
base Rogue it's very fun but at that

951
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:41,820
higher level

952
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:45,480
spellcasters

953
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:47,579
are just Gods like even even in 5e it's

954
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,980
it is just a case of like

955
00:35:47,579 --> 00:35:51,839
okay right turn one

956
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:53,820
here here were the enemies here is my

957
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:55,859
ninth level spell I cast a media swarm

958
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:57,599
they are all dead now yep oh I'm a

959
00:35:55,859 --> 00:35:59,880
sorcerer I shall careful spell so all my

960
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:02,220
friends are fine and all my enemies are

961
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:05,160
uh glue

962
00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:06,300
yeah and again I feel for my players

963
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,880
again we're digressing a little bit here

964
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,680
but I feel for my players when they

965
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,300
than the newer ones especially when they

966
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,040
start hitting those levels and the

967
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:17,400
Twilight cleric is just

968
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:20,820
insane yeah warlock is already insane

969
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,980
glass Cannon again hex blade so his

970
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:25,619
modifiers and to hit some damage for his

971
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:29,160
Eldridge yeah bolts are just like plus

972
00:36:25,619 --> 00:36:31,500
four plus two plus eight a D7 D7 dice

973
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,980
doesn't even exist that's how Wild this

974
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:36,300
yeah you add your charisma hex flights

975
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:38,099
curse gives you proficiency bonus

976
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:39,839
something yeah probably two other things

977
00:36:38,099 --> 00:36:42,180
rather packed keeper or something like

978
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:44,339
that yeah yeah so he's like okay that's

979
00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:46,020
the 30 to hit roll for damage that's 25

980
00:36:44,339 --> 00:36:49,680
and then I'm like oh God that's at level

981
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:51,599
11. so yeah we'll see hey hex blade is

982
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,020
most definitely the Twilight and peace

983
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:56,160
cleric of xanathars where it is

984
00:36:54,020 --> 00:36:57,839
absurdly powerful compared to everything

985
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,040
else well I've got both of my games

986
00:36:57,839 --> 00:37:01,380
that's cool

987
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,760
um I'll say that that plus the 20 plus

988
00:37:01,380 --> 00:37:05,099
level game I was talking about basically

989
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,380
the star of that game was uh was a was a

990
00:37:05,099 --> 00:37:09,480
hex fire who I didn't I didn't quite

991
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:11,940
understand the power of Eldritch Smite

992
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,099
until I came in and my Frost giant boss

993
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:17,339
for these level seven characters yeah

994
00:37:14,099 --> 00:37:20,700
one shot just you know strides on in

995
00:37:17,339 --> 00:37:22,740
critical hit 80 damage so that that

996
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,540
character I think I actually tallied

997
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:27,240
somewhere the highest damage she output

998
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:30,060
in a single round was like 360 something

999
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:32,520
whoa whoa whoa whoa yeah that was uh

1000
00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:35,280
Eldritch snake crit Plus at least one

1001
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,560
other crit action surge great weapon

1002
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,180
Master the whole the whole shebang or

1003
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,579
plus Spirit shroud that was an important

1004
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:43,740
one and hex Plate's curse his

1005
00:37:41,579 --> 00:37:47,280
spirituality is is another one where

1006
00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:48,720
it's uh spirit shroud is bananas yeah I

1007
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,099
mean I've been getting so long in this

1008
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,200
campaign now I feel like I have to

1009
00:37:50,099 --> 00:37:54,839
they're hungry for I feel like at least

1010
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,460
the last battle I'll be like just saw it

1011
00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:58,859
just let's just do it let's just go yeah

1012
00:37:56,460 --> 00:38:00,540
ape [ __ ] and just see who see how it

1013
00:37:58,859 --> 00:38:02,400
goes out the window you download the DM

1014
00:38:00,540 --> 00:38:05,339
even survives this combat because at the

1015
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,140
end I will just be a little of much on

1016
00:38:05,339 --> 00:38:09,240
the floor nothing better than a good

1017
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:12,240
boss fight though

1018
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,240
[ __ ]

1019
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:15,320
foreign

1020
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:21,000
[Music]

1021
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,040
we've talked obviously about the tricky

1022
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,240
trap spells the ones that trick you into

1023
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,880
thinking they're good and then actually

1024
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:28,619
garbage what ones are you aware of then

1025
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,420
that are like well let's keep it simple

1026
00:38:28,619 --> 00:38:32,099
first which ones are just off the top of

1027
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:33,960
your head like objectively just decent

1028
00:38:32,099 --> 00:38:36,000
as you said your fours and your fives

1029
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,339
out of fives and then we can talk about

1030
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,000
the ones that may be on the like

1031
00:38:38,339 --> 00:38:44,160
complete opposite maybe on paper seem

1032
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:47,040
underwhelming but then actually in use

1033
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,599
uh surprisingly if effective and if

1034
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,099
they're two are the same if that Venn

1035
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:52,020
diagram is a complete circle then so be

1036
00:38:50,099 --> 00:38:53,099
it I no I think I think there's you I

1037
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:55,320
think there's sort of like a bread and

1038
00:38:53,099 --> 00:38:57,540
butter of like these spells are

1039
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,640
fantastic you should probably pick them

1040
00:38:57,540 --> 00:39:02,040
if you have the option to

1041
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,820
I think the the obvious ones healing

1042
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,320
word

1043
00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:06,119
um it just is the general thing if you

1044
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,460
have access to Healing word you take it

1045
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:10,020
just fly out you take it dude and then

1046
00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:11,460
there's another thing you don't need Q

1047
00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:13,380
wins and healing word healing word is

1048
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:15,420
objectively better in every conceivable

1049
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:16,980
way there is no circumstance where Keel

1050
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:19,320
wounds will matter more than healing

1051
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:21,359
word you don't need waste a prepared

1052
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,200
slot to take both just healing word it's

1053
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,240
fine

1054
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,900
if you're a wizard or any class that

1055
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:28,740
gets it Shield is honestly like there's

1056
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:30,720
it's

1057
00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:32,220
I don't necessarily subscribe to it but

1058
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,960
I know a lot of people who have sort of

1059
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:35,880
my kind of Outlook or take on the game

1060
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,800
will say that Shield is overpowered

1061
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,480
which I think is

1062
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,040
it really depends on how you play the

1063
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,660
game and what kind of character you

1064
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,579
build but it definitely can be you know

1065
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:46,680
it's very high levels it's a permanent

1066
00:39:44,579 --> 00:39:50,099
plus five AC which is a lot

1067
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:52,140
but it's uh it is if you have access to

1068
00:39:50,099 --> 00:39:54,660
it you should probably pick it and also

1069
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:57,180
the only well apart from magic items the

1070
00:39:54,660 --> 00:40:00,540
only spell to mitigate magic Missile I

1071
00:39:57,180 --> 00:40:02,820
think there's there is shield and the

1072
00:40:00,540 --> 00:40:04,859
brooch of shielding which is a pretty

1073
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:06,720
bad magic item otherwise but also

1074
00:40:04,859 --> 00:40:09,420
negates magic Missile yeah which is

1075
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,099
which is it never really comes up in my

1076
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:12,540
in my but I know magic Missile is very

1077
00:40:11,099 --> 00:40:14,579
good for concentration breaking because

1078
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:15,900
you know you send nine missiles at a guy

1079
00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:18,000
and they're probably gonna fail one of

1080
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:20,099
those con saves yeah that's his job I'm

1081
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,900
gonna have to start for my Twilight

1082
00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:23,579
cleric and the Warlock always

1083
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,440
concentrating on something I'm just

1084
00:40:23,579 --> 00:40:27,780
having an armada of magic Missile

1085
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,400
casters just yeah as long as their con

1086
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:31,440
bonus isn't so high that they make the

1087
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,119
save every time warcaster for the

1088
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,380
Warlock unfortunately however he has

1089
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,420
been known he has been known to fail

1090
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:38,220
yeah no they're saying that's yeah what

1091
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:39,720
warcaster obviously helps a lot but when

1092
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:42,180
you're making that many saves you

1093
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:44,220
probably fail one of them yeah indeed so

1094
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:45,839
yeah that's shielded Shield is Handy is

1095
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:48,000
that do if do I remember correctly if

1096
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:50,400
you do you get to know

1097
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,940
the number that you're trying to say

1098
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:56,099
your AC is 15 do you know yes when an

1099
00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:57,540
attack would hit you so you you would

1100
00:40:56,099 --> 00:40:59,820
you would hear the number and you're

1101
00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:01,859
like oh that's a 20 my ac17 I know I can

1102
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:04,520
Shield that okay so that a good question

1103
00:41:01,859 --> 00:41:07,859
then so we're going to go into like DM

1104
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:10,440
agency in a way here so should in that

1105
00:41:07,859 --> 00:41:12,180
situation you said you'd hear the number

1106
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,980
but I guess it's theoretical to say well

1107
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:15,839
that the DM should know

1108
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:17,520
what your AC is and should just say that

1109
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:18,540
all of this hits do a bit it's a bit

1110
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,220
like count you know when you try and

1111
00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:22,079
counter spell a level higher you don't

1112
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:23,579
know that it's a level six so you've got

1113
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:25,280
to kind of take that educated guess and

1114
00:41:23,579 --> 00:41:27,359
like I think I think with with with

1115
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,859
counterspell it's a bit more sort of

1116
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:30,960
like

1117
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:33,300
that it works in a very specific way but

1118
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,560
I think with with Shield if you change

1119
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:37,320
it so that you don't tell them the

1120
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,619
number Shield is just terrible because

1121
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,240
it it's a trap like you're you're

1122
00:41:39,619 --> 00:41:43,859
gambling a spell slot on something that

1123
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,660
probably won't help

1124
00:41:43,859 --> 00:41:48,480
um which is is

1125
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:49,920
I I I I I can't imagine well I can

1126
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,660
definitely imagine worse feelings as a

1127
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,280
player but like yes from a player's

1128
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:55,079
perspective like

1129
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,880
that feels really bad that feels like

1130
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,920
the DM is sort of holding their kind of

1131
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,599
position of power over information over

1132
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,280
you and like oh your spell doesn't work

1133
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:04,260
because I didn't tell you the

1134
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,560
information that would otherwise have

1135
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:09,300
made your spell work like I I I like I

1136
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,740
understand like the mentality of like oh

1137
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:12,900
maybe we shouldn't tell them but it's

1138
00:42:10,740 --> 00:42:14,579
like I would much rather like Shield is

1139
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:16,800
still like a neat spell I would much

1140
00:42:14,579 --> 00:42:18,780
rather Shield be a little stronger than

1141
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,820
it probably should be I say a lot

1142
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:23,400
stronger than it probably should be than

1143
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:26,520
just be terrible because I like Shield

1144
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,859
even if it is very very powerful yeah so

1145
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,660
yeah so I just brought it up but it does

1146
00:42:28,859 --> 00:42:32,099
say yeah including against the

1147
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:34,380
triggering attack

1148
00:42:32,099 --> 00:42:35,940
which you take when you're hit so

1149
00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:37,320
technically I guess depending on how you

1150
00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:39,000
run the game yeah it doesn't technically

1151
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,220
you don't need to know the number but

1152
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,560
nine times out of ten there's a 17 hit I

1153
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:45,119
mean I do it yeah I'd say like I think

1154
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,740
to my knowledge it is rules has written

1155
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:48,720
that you that you are supposed to tell

1156
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:50,760
them the number but I'm not 100 sure on

1157
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:53,220
that okay but yeah and also it's not

1158
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,920
just for that see a lot of things in

1159
00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:57,900
well gloomhaven and also other features

1160
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,400
and stuff of d d is like it's just

1161
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:01,680
against the just the one triggering

1162
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,480
thing or the next attack or the next

1163
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,119
time you're hit but Shield is good

1164
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,760
because it's until the start of your

1165
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:10,500
next turn which is insane obviously if

1166
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,900
you time that like you've just had your

1167
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:14,460
turn oh I need to Shield that's a whole

1168
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:17,460
round's worth of combat plus five AC

1169
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:20,520
from the first level spell yeah a high

1170
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:22,980
level Shield is free like it is free

1171
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,540
plus five AC Forever

1172
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:26,220
um and in life you know the five minute

1173
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:28,020
adventuring day becomes the way you play

1174
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:29,220
the game in in you know obviously like

1175
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:30,780
you know people talk the five minute

1176
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:33,660
adventuring day is a bad way to design

1177
00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:34,920
your games yada yada yada but I can't

1178
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:38,280
think of anybody

1179
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,540
or any reasonable way to make tier three

1180
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,960
and four

1181
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:44,640
um not super annoying and sloggy and

1182
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,380
also not a five minute adventuring day

1183
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,500
at which point spells like Shield

1184
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:51,780
healing words silvery barbs like low

1185
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:53,760
level really spammable spells actually

1186
00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:55,079
start to become a problem because they

1187
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,460
are just free you say they're free

1188
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:59,160
because you have so many spell slots

1189
00:43:56,460 --> 00:44:00,660
yeah yeah yeah yeah and or if you're a

1190
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,099
high level wizard Shield is literally

1191
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:05,400
free because you choose it as your

1192
00:44:02,099 --> 00:44:07,920
signature spell yeah and

1193
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,599
um the the Adoration Wizards does love a

1194
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,420
free shield and so it's a good time

1195
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:14,520
it'll be so good yeah yeah I forgot that

1196
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:16,079
they literally get free spells as well

1197
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,520
yeah so it's a higher levels is that

1198
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:20,579
every class was just AB duration

1199
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,200
subclasses um it's it's uh Wizards 18th

1200
00:44:20,579 --> 00:44:25,140
level feature I think it's uh spell

1201
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:27,420
Mastery I think is the one yes yeah it

1202
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:29,339
is yeah I do remember seeing it and the

1203
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:32,099
first level and the second level man

1204
00:44:29,339 --> 00:44:34,200
that is wild speaking of the second

1205
00:44:32,099 --> 00:44:37,020
level spell that you pick is Misty step

1206
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:40,500
oh you pick shield and you pick Misty

1207
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:42,180
step because Misty step is uh yeah Misty

1208
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,920
step isn't quite like Shield because you

1209
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:45,180
are casting a spell on your turn like

1210
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,700
the only thing else you're gonna do on

1211
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:49,680
that turn is cast a can drip but yes it

1212
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:51,780
is probably your best escape tool

1213
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,720
because it doesn't take your entire turn

1214
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:56,940
you can teleport 30 feet out of danger

1215
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:59,339
it's not universally useful but it never

1216
00:44:56,940 --> 00:45:01,440
hurts to have you will be in situations

1217
00:44:59,339 --> 00:45:03,060
where aware Misty step saves your life

1218
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,380
especially because it's verbal only you

1219
00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:06,540
can teleport out of grapples you can

1220
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:08,160
teleport out of being restrained or out

1221
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:09,480
of being surrounded by 19 guys who are

1222
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,760
going to stab you in the face like yeah

1223
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,859
it is it's great yes but it's great yeah

1224
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,780
absolutely easy picks shield and

1225
00:45:13,859 --> 00:45:17,460
reaction and bonus action as well so you

1226
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:19,140
see your actions apart from obviously

1227
00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:21,359
being limited to cantrips when you do

1228
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:22,859
Misty step yes but like you've still got

1229
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:24,480
all your action stuff ready to go which

1230
00:45:22,859 --> 00:45:26,940
is great I wanted to jump in here with a

1231
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,619
quick question talking of Mr step saving

1232
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:31,260
a life this has come up way more times

1233
00:45:28,619 --> 00:45:32,700
than I'd like and I don't know if there

1234
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:35,700
is an answer an official answer or not

1235
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:38,640
but conservation of momentum when using

1236
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:42,420
spells that teleport you like Misty step

1237
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:44,280
and dimension door and plane shift or

1238
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:45,960
the other one that transports you to

1239
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,780
planes so I've had this question so many

1240
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,240
times of like I'm in free fall I want a

1241
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:52,980
misty step above the floor completely

1242
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:55,980
horizontal and then just drop that last

1243
00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:57,180
foot safely or do you when you appeared

1244
00:45:55,980 --> 00:46:00,240
you still have that conservation of

1245
00:45:57,180 --> 00:46:02,040
momentum uh terminal velocity I don't

1246
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,839
think there's a rules written answer to

1247
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,900
it there might be a sage advice on it

1248
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:08,819
Crawford is is generally pretty good I

1249
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,980
like not all of his stage advice answers

1250
00:46:08,819 --> 00:46:12,900
are satisfactory sometimes he kind of

1251
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:15,599
talks in circles a little bit Yeah but

1252
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:17,819
generally speaking his takes are

1253
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:19,920
reasonable enough

1254
00:46:17,819 --> 00:46:22,319
because I've I've wanted to do that I've

1255
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,180
had players who have gone oh that's fine

1256
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:26,579
I'll just Dimension to it when I hit the

1257
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:28,260
bottom and I'll just remove and I'm like

1258
00:46:26,579 --> 00:46:30,000
ah but Feather Falls meant to do that

1259
00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:31,680
and I feel like that's gonna overlap and

1260
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,380
now I'm like has that just made feather

1261
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,300
full redundant and uh it just gets

1262
00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:39,060
around in that well no I'm teleporting

1263
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:44,339
so yeah I don't see a definitive answer

1264
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:46,859
I I would generally rule the no you

1265
00:46:44,339 --> 00:46:50,339
don't maintain your momentum but I I it

1266
00:46:46,859 --> 00:46:52,260
really depends like because in my angle

1267
00:46:50,339 --> 00:46:53,640
is it's always really obvious when

1268
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:55,020
players are trying to kind of finagle

1269
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,140
around the rules to get what they want

1270
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:59,819
and usually my response to that is to

1271
00:46:58,140 --> 00:47:03,420
say you're trying to finagle around the

1272
00:46:59,819 --> 00:47:05,220
rules no it doesn't work because usually

1273
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:06,900
it specifically just doesn't work that

1274
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:08,280
way and you know you'd say no it's

1275
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:10,859
entirely Justified because that isn't

1276
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,260
how it works but sometimes certainly

1277
00:47:10,859 --> 00:47:15,180
something like that I would just say no

1278
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:17,460
no you you it it doesn't it doesn't work

1279
00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:19,560
that way I guess I guess it's more like

1280
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:21,540
there's cool ways of doing it like Misty

1281
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,480
stepping you know jumping

1282
00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:26,460
20 feet Misty stepping up further to get

1283
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,500
further across like a wide Gap that's

1284
00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:30,060
cool whereas I want to use my

1285
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:31,619
teleportation spell to mitigate the

1286
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:33,599
falling damage I'd otherwise take right

1287
00:47:31,619 --> 00:47:35,579
now is

1288
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:37,440
I guess with the way falling works you

1289
00:47:35,579 --> 00:47:39,599
technically immediately fall 500 feet

1290
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,280
when you fall until you hit a surface

1291
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:45,000
which is it makes it kind of hard to do

1292
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,400
but it's yeah it's it's it's weird and

1293
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,200
finagly yes it is and I've I've been

1294
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,240
caught up there so many times of like

1295
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,619
well you know Misty step you just

1296
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,540
disappear and reappear but Dimension

1297
00:47:52,619 --> 00:47:56,819
duel you're actually like going through

1298
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:58,680
like a portal portal so like maybe that

1299
00:47:56,819 --> 00:48:00,119
one you would conserve your momentum but

1300
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,619
Misty step you don't but then like then

1301
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,380
you get into the real Muddy Waters of

1302
00:48:01,619 --> 00:48:06,180
like well you've just decelerated a lot

1303
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:09,780
yeah

1304
00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:11,940
I I am I'm never a fan of like the oh

1305
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:13,859
heat metal makes the metal glow red hot

1306
00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:16,800
technically that makes the metal that

1307
00:48:13,859 --> 00:48:18,599
means that an iron uh suit of armor is

1308
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,940
heated to this amount this would melt

1309
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:22,560
human skin and bones immediately causing

1310
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,940
them to die and I'm like I mean yes

1311
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,220
technically but that's just the flavor

1312
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:30,300
text flavor text is not influence

1313
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:32,520
mechanics at all yeah yeah I've got one

1314
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:35,339
player who's does both of those things

1315
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,380
he will very much latch on to that that

1316
00:48:35,339 --> 00:48:38,700
kind of stuff like but innocently like

1317
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:40,079
oh is that not what happens is that not

1318
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:42,359
what they mean by the wording of this

1319
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:44,700
spell and I have to be like oh well

1320
00:48:42,359 --> 00:48:46,619
no not in that instance two sentences

1321
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:48,540
later that's the bit that really really

1322
00:48:46,619 --> 00:48:50,760
matters that is just kind of like it

1323
00:48:48,540 --> 00:48:52,260
just just laugh like you said uh and

1324
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,180
then on the other hand he'll he'll you

1325
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:55,920
know misread stuff misread the important

1326
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:57,180
couple of sentences and then I'm like oh

1327
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,680
sorry dude

1328
00:48:57,180 --> 00:49:00,599
do you want to have another Gander at

1329
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,599
that one because that's not gonna do it

1330
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:05,520
yeah for you there's like a few things

1331
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,200
especially in like fifth edition that I

1332
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,839
know they're not gonna do for for one d

1333
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,099
d but I would like them to do is keep

1334
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:14,280
flavor text

1335
00:49:11,099 --> 00:49:16,920
but relegate it to like italicized text

1336
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,720
at the top of the spell yeah it won't

1337
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,520
take up a huge amount of space but will

1338
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,619
completely remove all of those those

1339
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,660
bits of confusion whilst keeping all of

1340
00:49:22,619 --> 00:49:26,460
the cool flavor spells get to have I

1341
00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:28,619
think fourth edition does something like

1342
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:31,140
it but I might be wrong

1343
00:49:28,619 --> 00:49:34,440
um and also I want more tags I I love

1344
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:37,200
tags like we have one spell tag we need

1345
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,240
more 3.5 has a million of them you know

1346
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,240
the spell doesn't need to do fire damage

1347
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:43,859
to be a fire spell like just give it the

1348
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,140
fire tag and then I you know I can get

1349
00:49:43,859 --> 00:49:48,119
bonuses to all of my fire tagged spells

1350
00:49:46,140 --> 00:49:50,700
I want I want that that's that's what I

1351
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:52,380
want quality of life yeah like I have

1352
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:54,720
the Smite tag in my home game to make

1353
00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:56,460
all of the Smite spells not terrible by

1354
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,079
buffing them and then making most of

1355
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:59,700
them not concentration and then having

1356
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,920
the Smite tags so that you can't stack

1357
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:04,380
them yeah which has made smart spells go

1358
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,240
from just objectively worse than using

1359
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:08,579
Divine Smite to actually really good

1360
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:10,980
yeah I get that that is actually another

1361
00:50:08,579 --> 00:50:12,420
classic for baby paladins to be like

1362
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:15,180
whoa

1363
00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:17,099
branding's my whoa blinding smile whoa

1364
00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:18,599
the other kind of smile let me let me

1365
00:50:17,099 --> 00:50:20,940
stack out my Spellbook with all these

1366
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:23,160
things and then you're like yeah

1367
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:24,780
just do regular smites unless this

1368
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,040
thing's like exceptionally susceptible

1369
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:28,980
to whatever it is you're trying to do

1370
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:31,980
there are like like a couple of good

1371
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:34,560
Smite spells um wrathful is quite good

1372
00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:37,680
so that one makes people run away yeah

1373
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:41,520
let's say it's it's it is actually fear

1374
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:43,319
effect yeah it's it's actually very good

1375
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,060
um what are the other smites oh there's

1376
00:50:43,319 --> 00:50:48,180
not as many as I thought

1377
00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:51,680
staggering is okay

1378
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:55,380
it's it's not fantastic but it's not bad

1379
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:59,040
blinding is not great yeah basically

1380
00:50:55,380 --> 00:51:00,660
most of them are mediocre at best or

1381
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,280
just kind of worse than other options

1382
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:04,140
you've already got like why would I cast

1383
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,260
banishing Smite when I can just cast a

1384
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:09,660
banishment like banishment is just

1385
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:11,160
better you know like why would I hit a

1386
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:13,800
guy and maybe banish them when I can

1387
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,720
just cast banishment is already amazing

1388
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,240
why would why would I cast a worse

1389
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:21,420
version of it that's a higher level yep

1390
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:22,859
just yeah there's there's my spells

1391
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:24,300
there's a lot of other ones that

1392
00:51:22,859 --> 00:51:26,280
paladins don't get like in snaring

1393
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:27,540
strike and hail of thorns and stuff I

1394
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,119
mean Halo Thorns kind of sucks but

1395
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:31,619
engineering strike is okay

1396
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:33,059
um I think there are some others but

1397
00:51:31,619 --> 00:51:37,140
those are the ones that come to mind

1398
00:51:33,059 --> 00:51:39,359
immediately most of them suck which is a

1399
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:41,339
shame because they are cool yeah and way

1400
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:43,319
more cool than Divine Smite you never

1401
00:51:41,339 --> 00:51:45,000
hope to be yeah yeah I really don't like

1402
00:51:43,319 --> 00:51:46,740
Divine Smite because it makes the

1403
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,040
already not very good Smite spells just

1404
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:51,720
like actively on like uncastable because

1405
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,400
objectively worse than using divines

1406
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:57,420
might in basically all circumstances

1407
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:59,220
yeah and also having played a paladin it

1408
00:51:57,420 --> 00:52:01,740
removes the interesting choice a little

1409
00:51:59,220 --> 00:52:03,180
bit because of like let me save or at

1410
00:52:01,740 --> 00:52:05,579
least just keep all my spell slots for

1411
00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:06,960
the odd crit here and there yep then

1412
00:52:05,579 --> 00:52:09,359
Dash under my light there's no

1413
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,099
interesting choice to make in that

1414
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:13,500
situation it's have I create yes or no

1415
00:52:11,099 --> 00:52:15,300
Smite yes or no yes you can Smite when

1416
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:17,040
you don't quit but like

1417
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:19,619
it's just a bit light

1418
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,619
fine I'll just kind of done a bit of a

1419
00:52:19,619 --> 00:52:24,000
spell slot so yeah right yeah is there

1420
00:52:22,619 --> 00:52:25,500
anything that you wanted to talk about

1421
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,020
that we haven't got to yet we might have

1422
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:29,220
missed I I think I think I I we

1423
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:31,740
mentioned it before but I definitely

1424
00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:33,960
want to touch on some of the busted

1425
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:36,420
spells okay go on please yeah the the

1426
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,680
the the the the the the kind of spells

1427
00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:39,180
that are five out of tens or maybe even

1428
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,800
like six out of tens but I don't want to

1429
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:43,079
give them that honor because they don't

1430
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,359
deserve it they're objectively the best

1431
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:48,900
spells in the game but they are anti-fun

1432
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:50,940
for either the DM the table or both yep

1433
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:52,440
like the ones I've already done in the

1434
00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:54,960
spell book or sort of the ones that are

1435
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:58,380
most fresh in my mind so I'll look at

1436
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:00,180
those first but my my no no number one

1437
00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:01,200
probably probably the worst of all of

1438
00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:02,579
them even though I've never really had

1439
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,500
to tend with them because I literally

1440
00:53:02,579 --> 00:53:07,260
removed them from my home game because I

1441
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:10,020
hate them so much are all of the conjure

1442
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:12,300
spells most of them are garbage but

1443
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:15,240
conjure animals and conjure I believe

1444
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:16,319
Woodland beings oh yeah and no no we'll

1445
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:19,800
do the conjure animals first because

1446
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:23,520
it's level 30 level spell how about Mr

1447
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,260
DM I would like you please to procure uh

1448
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,720
16 Raptor Miniatures if you wouldn't

1449
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:29,220
mind yeah don't ignore the fact that you

1450
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:31,619
can technically choose all the creatures

1451
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:33,480
please let me choose all the objectively

1452
00:53:31,619 --> 00:53:34,680
best creatures

1453
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,380
um you have this sort of push and pull

1454
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,660
where you have to either choose to let

1455
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:42,599
your player steamroll over your table

1456
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:44,220
with a spell that upends every part of

1457
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:46,260
your your game and your combat and makes

1458
00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:48,359
you have to run a bunch of monsters

1459
00:53:46,260 --> 00:53:49,859
or make them bog down the table by

1460
00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:52,020
running a bunch of their own monsters

1461
00:53:49,859 --> 00:53:53,760
yep because some players are like

1462
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:57,000
competent enough to like actually

1463
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,740
quickly efficiently run 16 creatures

1464
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,020
simultaneously they're few and far

1465
00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:03,900
between but they do exist most aren't

1466
00:54:01,020 --> 00:54:06,599
like most will bog down your table for

1467
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:08,760
five minutes making 16 individual Raptor

1468
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:11,460
bite attacks and waste your life and

1469
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,740
your soul and of everybody else at the

1470
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:15,359
table whilst their characters do nothing

1471
00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:19,079
because they're having to sort of Sidle

1472
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:21,420
between 19 16 Raptors one round of

1473
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,559
combat has suddenly tripled in length so

1474
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:23,880
people are like oh I'll go make my

1475
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:27,000
dinner then because I'm not going to be

1476
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:29,099
seeing the table for for an hour now and

1477
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,599
the uh the other thing on that is if the

1478
00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:33,599
DM runs it

1479
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:35,040
BM rolling against DM is the most single

1480
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,660
most boring thing

1481
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,559
everybody's rolling against NPCs

1482
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:39,780
creatures running against other

1483
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,579
creatures it's just like nobody it's

1484
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:43,020
just when when it's in small doses it's

1485
00:54:41,579 --> 00:54:45,059
totally fine but yeah when there's 16

1486
00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:47,220
Raptors the DM has to resolve not fun

1487
00:54:45,059 --> 00:54:49,079
hitting 16 creatures that the DM's also

1488
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:51,540
running for is just like the theme

1489
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:53,400
whispering to themselves okay 16 24 hits

1490
00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:56,339
that that's three damage three damage in

1491
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,440
there four damage 16. okay cool do I

1492
00:54:56,339 --> 00:55:01,680
care about any of that DM because you're

1493
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:04,140
just doing maths Now by yourself yeah

1494
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,900
um and then obviously if you the DM take

1495
00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:08,099
over and you choose the creatures then

1496
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:09,900
they're gonna complain that you're

1497
00:55:08,099 --> 00:55:12,780
screwing them over by choosing lower CR

1498
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:14,700
creatures or saying no you can't choose

1499
00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:16,740
a 16 you know if they you know because

1500
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:19,260
certainly my thing is uh I would tell my

1501
00:55:16,740 --> 00:55:20,640
players like you can cast this Bell

1502
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:21,780
before I got rid of the mail right to

1503
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,220
replace with the summon spells from

1504
00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:24,839
tashas which are way cleaner and

1505
00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:28,800
actually really fun yeah they're

1506
00:55:24,839 --> 00:55:31,680
fantastic life um but the conjure spells

1507
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,020
or or I would say you can summon one you

1508
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,180
can summon two maybe you can summon four

1509
00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:38,400
if you're trying to summon 8 or 16 I'm

1510
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:39,720
Gonna Give You 8 or 16 cr0 creatures

1511
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,700
that run away immediately because you're

1512
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:44,520
not wasting my goddamn time like you're

1513
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:46,380
just not doing that yeah oh yeah I said

1514
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,720
conjure Woodland beings it's worse

1515
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:51,300
because you can summon I can't remember

1516
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,800
specifically how many but uh enough

1517
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:54,059
Pixies

1518
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,980
um any amount of pixies is enough

1519
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:58,559
because the whole thing with Pixies is

1520
00:55:55,980 --> 00:56:01,559
they have like two hit points but uh

1521
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:03,480
they can cast fly and polymorph and

1522
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:05,780
dispel magic namely polymorph which is

1523
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:08,700
another like 5 out of 10 amazing

1524
00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:10,200
bordering overpowered spell that is

1525
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:13,260
crazy

1526
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,880
and you summon eight Pixies I think it

1527
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:17,099
is and they cast volume off on all of

1528
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,079
your allies and you're now all

1529
00:56:17,099 --> 00:56:21,300
uh I don't know some creature that is

1530
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:23,760
suitably powerful then you get an extra

1531
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:25,980
40 hit points or whatever and you

1532
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,720
they're they're miserable absolutely

1533
00:56:25,980 --> 00:56:29,160
miserable spells to run at the table

1534
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,140
they they are

1535
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:35,040
those two Contra spells in particular I

1536
00:56:31,140 --> 00:56:36,359
would encourage any DM to just say no to

1537
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,119
like

1538
00:56:36,359 --> 00:56:41,579
they are they are genuinely that bad I

1539
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:43,200
think my druid had both of those and

1540
00:56:41,579 --> 00:56:45,240
used both of those and I had that

1541
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,579
discussion of I've done some research

1542
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:49,980
technically the DM picks the creatures

1543
00:56:47,579 --> 00:56:52,319
which was his first like oh well that's

1544
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:54,000
not that's exciting anymore and I'm like

1545
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:55,859
yeah and also I don't really want that

1546
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,559
overhead of like you just springing that

1547
00:56:55,859 --> 00:57:00,480
on me and me going what kind of cl1

1548
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:02,280
creatures would be in this environment

1549
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,300
that are roughly you know just the kind

1550
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,940
of thing you want to do because I want

1551
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:08,160
to meet you halfway everybody take 15

1552
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:11,160
minutes because we're gonna have to go

1553
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:13,800
get tokens or minis I gotta get the stat

1554
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,859
blocks and like yeah it's like yeah

1555
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,900
great great on like

1556
00:57:16,859 --> 00:57:21,119
from a video game like cool a bunch of

1557
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:23,700
summons that's just fun to have I've got

1558
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:25,559
I wheeled an army of creatures it sounds

1559
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:28,140
fun but then as soon as you play it it's

1560
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:29,819
not fun for pretty much anyone yeah it's

1561
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:32,160
you know there are definitely ways to

1562
00:57:29,819 --> 00:57:33,480
use it responsibly and there are ways

1563
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,280
you know there are a lot of advocates

1564
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,960
for conjure animals that will talk your

1565
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,480
hair off about like exactly how you run

1566
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,520
it to be super cool and and fun at your

1567
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:45,119
table but it just requires so much

1568
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:47,160
buy-in that like it should be an opt-in

1569
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:48,540
kind of situation but it's not it's a

1570
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,059
spell in the player's handbook that

1571
00:57:48,540 --> 00:57:54,000
people were gonna find and cast mm-hmm

1572
00:57:51,059 --> 00:57:55,680
what about your other the other big one

1573
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,420
yeah like talking about like ninth level

1574
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,000
spells kind of feels like a cop-out yes

1575
00:57:57,420 --> 00:58:02,099
having wish wishes every first to eighth

1576
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,720
level spell whenever you need it to be

1577
00:58:02,099 --> 00:58:05,579
yes that's broken

1578
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,680
like yeah maybe maybe you shouldn't let

1579
00:58:05,579 --> 00:58:09,000
your players just pick wish but if you

1580
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,180
want to do it [ __ ] go for it it's not

1581
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,740
the end of the world it is objectively

1582
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:15,180
the best spell in the game because it's

1583
00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:17,579
every first to eighth level Spell

1584
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:19,500
including all the broken ones um for

1585
00:58:17,579 --> 00:58:21,480
free I will not for free for a ninth

1586
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,619
level slot but even so like it's that

1587
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,780
flexibility

1588
00:58:22,619 --> 00:58:26,819
um but it's fun and can be used in a way

1589
00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:29,579
that isn't super annoying so I you know

1590
00:58:26,819 --> 00:58:31,559
I'm I'm I I don't think wish is fine but

1591
00:58:29,579 --> 00:58:32,880
I think wish is acceptable to have at

1592
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:34,440
your table even if you probably

1593
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,420
shouldn't let your players I wish for

1594
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,940
100 Pixies to show up that's gonna be my

1595
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:40,380
yeah I mean I mean technically that does

1596
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:42,059
give you a chance of never being able to

1597
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:45,180
cast wish again so I'd be okay with

1598
00:58:42,059 --> 00:58:47,280
letting someone do that the the real big

1599
00:58:45,180 --> 00:58:50,400
one I think is it's the only one that

1600
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,859
really jumps out at me as

1601
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,839
I think about the spell and I feel a

1602
00:58:52,859 --> 00:58:57,599
little vain pop in the side of my head

1603
00:58:54,839 --> 00:58:59,940
is false cage okay yes you mentioned it

1604
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:02,880
yeah we didn't look back yet go on yeah

1605
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:05,460
Force cage until a much lesser extent

1606
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,260
wall of force is a seventh level spell

1607
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:11,280
you create

1608
00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:14,400
an immobile invisible cube-shaped prison

1609
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,700
uh that Springs into existence for it

1610
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:20,520
within 100 feet it lasts one hour no

1611
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:22,260
concentration it is impenetrable spells

1612
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,339
can't go through it creatures have to

1613
00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:25,079
make a saving throw to be able to

1614
00:59:23,339 --> 00:59:27,059
teleport out of it or leave it magically

1615
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:29,460
I think I already said but it can't be

1616
00:59:27,059 --> 00:59:31,680
dispelled it is impossible to just I

1617
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:33,059
believe uh anti-magic field will

1618
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,460
obviously suppress it so you can sort of

1619
00:59:33,059 --> 00:59:37,260
walk out of it but can't be spelled you

1620
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:39,299
have to save to get out of it you can

1621
00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:41,760
also choose to make it a literal box

1622
00:59:39,299 --> 00:59:43,140
that is completely you know it's a

1623
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,700
physical sort of shape that you can't

1624
00:59:43,140 --> 00:59:46,619
get in or out of it I think it's I think

1625
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:49,920
it's yeah it's it's invisible so yeah

1626
00:59:46,619 --> 00:59:52,319
it's a or you can make it a cage with

1627
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:56,099
bars yeah that Grant creatures three

1628
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:57,740
quarters cover through it oh so what

1629
00:59:56,099 --> 01:00:02,520
that allows you to do

1630
00:59:57,740 --> 01:00:04,619
is you drop Force cage on the enemy they

1631
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,359
have no way of getting out of it unless

1632
01:00:04,619 --> 01:00:08,700
they are so big that you literally can't

1633
01:00:06,359 --> 01:00:11,700
fit them inside of it um I believe they

1634
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:15,420
have to be bigger than gargantuan so

1635
01:00:11,700 --> 01:00:17,640
good luck I guess and they can't get out

1636
01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:19,619
maybe that maybe it's like some kind of

1637
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,420
big dude in armor like you know if he

1638
01:00:19,619 --> 01:00:23,280
hits you he hits you for 70 damage but

1639
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:25,319
he has to get to you first well now we

1640
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,299
can't because he's in a force cage all

1641
01:00:25,319 --> 01:00:29,220
of your ranged guys just sort of line up

1642
01:00:27,299 --> 01:00:31,619
in a circle just ping Spells at him

1643
01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:33,420
until he dies um I I had that happen to

1644
01:00:31,619 --> 01:00:34,859
me and I literally just said okay the

1645
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:36,299
fight's over you you don't get to play

1646
01:00:34,859 --> 01:00:39,000
if I don't get to play the game now you

1647
01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:40,740
don't get to play the game like you win

1648
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,619
you know you've cast the spell that wins

1649
01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:46,020
you the game you win cool I'm I'm I'm

1650
01:00:43,619 --> 01:00:48,299
I'm gonna go make tea now and go to bed

1651
01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:50,640
I guess uh because it was like 10 p.m

1652
01:00:48,299 --> 01:00:52,020
and I was like literally just gotten to

1653
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,520
like well there's probably you know 20

1654
01:00:52,020 --> 01:00:54,720
minutes of them fighting these two dudes

1655
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,920
and then just four sketches them and I

1656
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,359
was like you know what [ __ ] it I'm I'm

1657
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,380
done no absolutely that's the right

1658
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:59,819
that's the right call to make because

1659
01:00:58,380 --> 01:01:01,260
otherwise it's just you're just rolling

1660
01:00:59,819 --> 01:01:03,480
for the sake of rolling like that combat

1661
01:01:01,260 --> 01:01:05,940
is effectively they've been routed it's

1662
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,980
over yeah but it is it is for the cost

1663
01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:11,579
of one seventh level spell slot you can

1664
01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:13,440
completely like incapacitate anything

1665
01:01:11,579 --> 01:01:15,420
well like waterfalls does the same thing

1666
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,799
where you make kind of a 15-foot Dome to

1667
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:19,200
knock someone in but it's a physical

1668
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:19,920
shape you can't get in they can't get

1669
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,079
out

1670
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,520
so yes you can do the whole sort of

1671
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:25,380
everyone hold your action and shoot the

1672
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,420
guy when I drop the waterfall same thing

1673
01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:29,819
with banishment and it's really annoying

1674
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:31,740
but they might still live after the fact

1675
01:01:29,819 --> 01:01:34,200
they probably won't but they might but

1676
01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:36,119
because it's a cage you can shoot in and

1677
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,440
yeah and they can't really do much out

1678
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:38,880
they might be able to shoot out and they

1679
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,960
might be able to do damage

1680
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:45,720
but situationally it is a one spell

1681
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,880
just turn off on any counter just it's

1682
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:52,020
it's over it's done

1683
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:54,420
it is miserable it is it is absolutely

1684
01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:55,260
miserable I have I have I don't think I

1685
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:57,299
have

1686
01:01:55,260 --> 01:01:59,040
like I've never really had people abuse

1687
01:01:57,299 --> 01:02:00,359
conjure animals or conjure wooden beans

1688
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,359
at my table that's because I would have

1689
01:02:00,359 --> 01:02:05,220
never allowed it I had this is this was

1690
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:07,799
in the big campaign that I ran that went

1691
01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:09,359
all the way up to over 20th level and I

1692
01:02:07,799 --> 01:02:11,220
had someone new join who I didn't know

1693
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:14,940
and they built

1694
01:02:11,220 --> 01:02:17,099
the Divination wizard hmm the Divination

1695
01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:19,319
wizard all of the tips all of the tricks

1696
01:02:17,099 --> 01:02:20,220
I'm gonna I'm gonna send my simulacrum

1697
01:02:19,319 --> 01:02:22,140
in I'm gonna look in through my

1698
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:24,059
homunculus I got two lots of portents

1699
01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:25,500
now because I only have to see the thing

1700
01:02:24,059 --> 01:02:28,380
to portent here and I see through my

1701
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:30,720
homunculus's eyes I'm gonna scatter them

1702
01:02:28,380 --> 01:02:33,299
I'm I'm gonna scatter them into the

1703
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:36,240
prison the Prismatic wall or into the

1704
01:02:33,299 --> 01:02:39,000
force cage yeah it was

1705
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,180
it was miserable I hated every second of

1706
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,380
it and I do not play with that person

1707
01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:46,200
you gotta look after yourself too

1708
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:48,359
absolutely yeah yeah uh well I think

1709
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:51,240
we're gonna need another session on

1710
01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:54,540
spells I underestimated quite oh how

1711
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:57,240
much no I I say I'm up for it it's been

1712
01:02:54,540 --> 01:03:00,119
good fun awesome well yeah so all that's

1713
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:02,460
left to say is well firstly if anything

1714
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:03,660
you would like to plug or promote I

1715
01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:05,640
would say I talked about them a little

1716
01:03:03,660 --> 01:03:07,859
bit earlier on but just like that last

1717
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,960
month I put out Golem and davina's

1718
01:03:07,859 --> 01:03:11,640
pocketbook to ravenloft I have a few

1719
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,920
other projects in the work works at the

1720
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:16,980
moment I'm currently um doing some

1721
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,859
editing and design stuff for the dritz's

1722
01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:21,780
travelogue of everything as a a DM's

1723
01:03:19,859 --> 01:03:24,020
Guild uh made

1724
01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:25,740
uh compendium of sort of like tashas or

1725
01:03:24,020 --> 01:03:27,119
xanathars-esque content you know there's

1726
01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:28,559
a whole bunch of class options that the

1727
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:31,020
first one came out in June and we've

1728
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:32,460
been we were like quietly you know we we

1729
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:33,480
had so many ideas we were like [ __ ] it

1730
01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:35,280
we're just gonna start on number two

1731
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,599
before the first one's even done kind of

1732
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,280
thing like it's still in layout [ __ ] it

1733
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:39,599
we're gonna start another one and that's

1734
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,099
been really good fun they both got a

1735
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:43,920
full class in them it's a whole thing

1736
01:03:41,099 --> 01:03:46,079
and I I've done an astronomical amount

1737
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,940
of work on that on the second book I've

1738
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:49,980
and that's that's

1739
01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:51,780
fingers crossed fingers crossed because

1740
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:54,240
I'm nearly done with all the editing is

1741
01:03:51,780 --> 01:03:56,819
it gonna come out next month depending

1742
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:58,319
on how long the layout layout takes time

1743
01:03:56,819 --> 01:04:00,420
that's more or less everything that's

1744
01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:03,720
yeah you can find all my stuff on just a

1745
01:04:00,420 --> 01:04:05,579
dice average RPG DM's Guild or I have a

1746
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,559
card page you know they'll they'll be

1747
01:04:05,579 --> 01:04:08,819
the links and whatnot oh yes absolutely

1748
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:12,240
all the links will be in the description

1749
01:04:08,819 --> 01:04:13,680
so all that's left to say finally this

1750
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,240
time is thank you ever so much Jack for

1751
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,700
joining us today that's been a lot of

1752
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,020
fun yeah no it was good fun

1753
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:20,339
um yeah and we'll definitely get what

1754
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:22,140
we'll definitely think about uh more

1755
01:04:20,339 --> 01:04:24,180
spells would be the topic of the next

1756
01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:26,099
one because I'm sure there's uh plenty

1757
01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:30,720
more to go on so yeah I should imagine

1758
01:04:26,099 --> 01:04:32,339
so yeah awesome well as usual as

1759
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,380
mentioned all the links in the episode

1760
01:04:32,339 --> 01:04:36,780
description so please do go and check

1761
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:38,700
all of them out otherwise all this I

1762
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:41,280
have to say is thank you all for

1763
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:43,140
listening and good night

1764
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:46,319
and now it's time for the patreon shout

1765
01:04:43,140 --> 01:04:49,859
outs thank you to Joe from the fourth

1766
01:04:46,319 --> 01:04:52,319
leg podcast again two-time guests of the

1767
01:04:49,859 --> 01:04:54,480
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1768
01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:57,420
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1769
01:04:54,480 --> 01:05:00,180
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1770
01:04:57,420 --> 01:05:02,640
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1771
01:05:00,180 --> 01:05:04,980
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1772
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:07,160
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1773
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:09,119
and knowledgeable source of information

1774
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:12,119
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1775
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,119
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1776
01:05:12,299 --> 01:05:17,760
huge huge huge thank you to a great

1777
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:20,099
friend of the show Matthew Perkins who's

1778
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,380
out there making hilarious and

1779
01:05:20,099 --> 01:05:24,420
educational Dungeons and Dragons content

1780
01:05:22,380 --> 01:05:26,160
please go and check out his stuff at

1781
01:05:24,420 --> 01:05:28,619
Matthew perkins.net where you can find

1782
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,119
links to all of his socials and all of

1783
01:05:28,619 --> 01:05:31,859
his content including his own patreon

1784
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:33,420
which I would very much encourage you to

1785
01:05:31,859 --> 01:05:36,540
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1786
01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:38,640
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1787
01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:40,020
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1792
01:05:47,099 --> 01:05:50,819
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