Immersion

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welcome back thinkers to season 5

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episode 3 of thinking critically and

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thank you for your patience I know it's

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been a long time coming it's that time

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of year as I mentioned at the top of the

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previous episode where there's just

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everything's popping off right now I'm

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preparing for a new campaign anyway

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thank you for returning to the show

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really good one if you like what you

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I also want to give a shout out to the

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tale of the Manticore podcast I was

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exceptionally fortunate enough to be

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asked to be a voice actor on the show

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for a little guest spot one of the NPCs

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half solo actual play half story

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completely different dungeons Dyson

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dudes definitely not a comedy show but

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very exciting very enthralling I

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definitely go and check it out at

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manticore.podbean.com uh yeah I was on

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episode 39 as well as an episode a

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couple of before that hopefully you'll

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recognize my voice maybe and uh yeah

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it's it's a it's a really good lesson so

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really really fortunate to have got the

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opportunity to go and check out that

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podcast as well and of course I've had

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the host of that show John on thinking

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critically before all the way back in

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season three episode one with story so

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if you like what you hear here if you

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like what you're hearing Taylor the

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Manticore definitely go and check out

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that episode

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otherwise let's get on with this episode

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cosplay thank you ever so much for

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joining us today Anya can you tell us a

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little bit about yourself

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yeah hi my name is Anya I use

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her American but I live in Germany

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um I've been here for quite a number of

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years now I am if you couldn't guess I'm

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a cosplayer uh but I am also a

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professional game master I am a an

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actual play performer

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dmgm All That Jazz I also write a lot

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a lot of different uh games not just for

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d d but also my own kind of like Little

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Indie projects wow writing is something

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that I need to do a lot more of and

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that's where I'll leave white

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my my thoughts on that well good uh a

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very good person to have on for today's

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topic which is immersion so what does

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that mean to you in the DND and wider

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ttrpg framework so immersion for me it's

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not just like yes you're you're getting

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into a story you're telling a story

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together it is

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um getting the right notes getting the

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right vibe in your game so uh a really

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good example is

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um I always use frame of reference with

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things that I've run or written my game

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Mountaintop isolation is all about like

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psychological horror uh you're trapped

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isolated alone on a Mountaintop if you

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couldn't tell it's a wretched and alone

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game but it has not just that creepy

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Vibe of all of these weird strange

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things happening to you as you are

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getting deeper and deeper into being

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trapped in a uh blizzard on top of

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mountain but you have that aspect of the

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tumbling block tower as they call it

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that precariousness of of it and the

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fear that drives in you and that kind of

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delves you a little bit deeper into and

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it makes it more immersive of an

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experience for you yeah what a great

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topic and I'm frankly I'm surprised it's

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taken me so long to get here but I'm

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very glad we have because it is one of

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those things that

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I think every GM struggles with at some

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point and there are various things you

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can do I mean I'm looking up here at my

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4 8 12 15 16 candles or so that you know

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to set the scene to set some Ambiance

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there's always like physic physical

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things you can do

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to help with the immersion obviously

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that only helps in person but it is one

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of those things that's like

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more of an art than a science I feel as

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is with a lot of gming I think to be

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fair is is trying to bring people in so

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I guess the candles are a good place to

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start do you feel it's like harder to do

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that if it's a remote game versus an

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in-person game it can be for sure a lot

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of GMS what they do is they incorporate

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music and sound into it to make it more

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immersive oh a good example of that I

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had a GM once who whenever things were

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kind of dragging a little bit or you

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know people were doing a little bit too

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much so he would start playing sounds

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and it would be things like oh I just

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heard a wolf howl

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oh

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um y'all we need to start paying

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attention now because something is about

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to happen and it wasn't even just the

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players being cued into it it was okay

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now the characters need to cue in as

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well do they notice that this has

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happened

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there is a Machiavellian joy in that

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like just sitting back and pressing the

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button and playing the sound and then

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being like you know the arched

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fingertips of oh yeah and and then the

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players being like whoa you know looking

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looking to the GM for a queue and you've

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been like well

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there's nothing more for me like for me

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to add right now

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and uh that's definitely one thing that

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I need to explore a little bit more I

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don't do Sound and Music in my games I

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make my own sound effects whether those

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are good or not I think you'd have to

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ask my players but it's

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um it's just it's a more challenging

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technologically wise uh thing to do that

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I just haven't really delved into yet

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yeah I made a hole in that in my humble

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beginnings when I was just dming just

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for my mates in person I had a whole

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Spotify playlist you know it was like 30

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hours long of well I had several

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actually one for like sad deadly sad DND

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happy DND like River

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um they're like oh an NPC's dying let me

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sorry one second let me just scroll

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scroll scroll I've got to find the

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playlist sad now you're gonna feel sad

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um but of course moving to online and

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streaming and stuff you've got to be a

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little bit more careful around that

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stuff because so many pitfalls out there

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of of streaming music and all that kind

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of stuff absolutely and in addition to

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the technical overhead of being like but

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I need to hear it and they need to hear

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it so how can I plumb those two streams

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like to come out of the the stream

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itself correctly is was one that I never

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really bothered to resolve we we messed

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around in them in Discord for a bit but

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then since moving to something else I

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was like we feel free to play your own

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music in your own uh in your own living

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rooms guys and we'll just uh you could

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be your own DJ for a change and to be

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Frank from me as a a DM perspective

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kind of already had enough on my plate

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anyway certainly with the streaming so

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it was like I'm kind of happy to just

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let that fall by the side yeah we're

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already doing so many other things just

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adding another element just makes it

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a little bit too much yes yeah and the

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the reason I said I'm saying all of this

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is because I can't help maybe it's just

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that imposter syndrome you know voice at

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the back of your head but I can't help

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but feel it has impacted the immersion

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even if sometimes the music wasn't

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always spot on or even sometimes it to

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be like oh that's way too Jolly for this

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intimidation check we're doing let me

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just skip you know even if it was it

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wasn't quite on the mark

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the lack of it I can only help as

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negatively impacted emergence so yeah

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I'm soon to be dming a person again and

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I'm greedily rubbing my hands together

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happy to uh get back to having some some

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local Ambiance

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well you know what's interesting to me

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is you just made me think about it I

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personally have never actually gm'd in

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person before I played games in person

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before we didn't have any music or sound

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effects or anything like that uh my

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ttrpg that I ever played was Serenity

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based off of the Firefly and TV show and

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serenity movie it came out in 2005 and

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uh it has a couple of problematic

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elements but it was my first ttrpg I

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absolutely adored it and it didn't

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matter to us to have music or anything

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like that because it was just we were

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exploring this world of cowboys in space

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and it didn't matter to us to have like

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the sound of the ship creaking around us

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or anything like that

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yeah how I don't want to be rude but do

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you think age has a part to play with

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like how easy it is to immerse yourself

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because of the kids run off into their

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fairy tale lands 24 7. do you think do

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you think there's a scale there

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don't think so because the G Ms that I

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know who use music in

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in sound effects and things and things

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like that they are

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all different ages so I really don't

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think that that has anything to do with

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it I will say that I feel like people

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I'm using myself as an example but

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people who have a theater background

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sometimes have an easier time of

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escaping into these worlds because we

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are just fully into it especially when

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I'm streaming a lot of times I'm in

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costume oh wow and that's part of my

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immersion into the world and into my

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character is that I will dress up as

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them I have so many weird costumes

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that I I also really lean into that I

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mean I'm not because obviously I had

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Sarah on the production episode from

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from girls from these worlds as well and

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she also within the first 10 minutes

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said I'm a theater kid and now there's a

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theme appearing

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um now I did play Oliver in the School

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production of Oliver so okay maybe that

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qualifies Me Maybe not absolutely does

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but I am also a fan of like fancy dress

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and also dressing up I've got it I've

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got a big drawer downstairs for the very

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cheap wigs and hats and stuff but when

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it's just for like an off one-off NPC

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that's that's more than enough and again

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one of those things I am very much

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looking forward to you know Dustin off

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and bringing out again just because

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I think that for me is a huge like the

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physicality of it is a huge a huge if

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you even if you just play it for Laughs

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like the most two-dimensional way to do

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it is still like people are laughing and

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having fun you've already improved the

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the mood but even if you play it you

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know straight for any other thing it's

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just I think it's a great idea if if you

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can

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again mine are very cheap so it's not as

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if you have to they're literally like if

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you check a match to my the wig I'd be

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bold in a second that you know I'm I'm

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looking over at my 20 drawers filled

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with wigs and no

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[Laughter]

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no uh we will have our vices I think

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it's fair to say

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it's cosplay advice

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I see what the bank manager has to say I

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guess yeah

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um so yeah let's talk about that then a

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little bit much you obviously merge

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those two yeah Hobbies of yours together

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and presumably to Fantastic effect like

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is that fun is that do your players

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enjoy it I love it I do it more as a

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character as a PC than as a GM okay in

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part because my wigs often time you have

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to glue them to your forehead wow okay I

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have the I have the really nice Lace

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Wigs when things like that the good

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stuff yeah yes

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uh but uh when I'm a player it isn't

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just that I'm I'm wearing the costume it

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makes me kind of change my posture

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change how I speak like if

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I'm trying to think of

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examples of my specific characters like

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uh Adelaide from the vampire the

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Masquerade game she uh was very much a

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fashionista straight back she uh had

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this air of I am the most beautiful most

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important person in this room and

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everyone will look at me but at the same

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time there was this timidity to her that

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um it there were only a couple of people

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that would notice that and I always made

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sure

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to plated that and so all the time and I

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think that this is my theater background

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again

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when the spotlight isn't on me my

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character is still reacting to what's

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going on because acting is what you do

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when you are not saying lines

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and so for me part of that is portraying

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how they are reacting to what is

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happening around them

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mm-hmm and we're getting an education on

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this episode

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if that's not a reason to sign up for a

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patreon I don't know what is but um

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um I love this train of thought because

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I feel like from my experience some sort

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of things I've done now in in

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conventions and from friends and stuff I

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do feel like that we're moving away from

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the gym to play it you're trying to

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immerse yourself as a player now which

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to be honest I didn't even think you

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know didn't even enter my brain

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that trying to embody the character is

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something that is

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ashamedly left kind of by the wayside a

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lot of the time I rarely have thought

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about it when I've been the character

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but I think yeah putting on some element

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you know be it a hat or a jacket or

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anything to it can just be that trigger

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to be like okay let me slouch or let me

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set up straight or let me hold my drink

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in a certain way is is like you're gonna

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get like 400 Returns on your investment

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for doing that in terms of in terms of

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immersion yeah and it's even simple

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things like uh how do you hold yourself

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and I mean when you're online this is a

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little bit more difficult but

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how do you walk like what part of your

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body are you leading with when you walk

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because that changes your posture it

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changes how you're moving around and

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when you think about that you're

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thinking about okay why is this

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character walking like that why is this

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person talking out of the corner of

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their mouth so that they're slurring the

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words a little bit

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things like this like what is the

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reasoning behind that and that kind of

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expands that world for you a little bit

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more

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because often it is just like

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and and there's no bad thing like we've

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all been like you and I today have

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finished work and are now doing this

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like this the amount of games that

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people are like I've had I've lived my

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life today and now I just kind of want

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to sit down and just throw some dice

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absolutely no shade but if you get the

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opportunity or you get those rare

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occasions where it's like I'm a bushy

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tail but

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then I can only yeah encourage it I'm

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definitely going to try and

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going into gming a bit more soon I'm

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definitely going to try and think about

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that a little bit more keep that in the

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back of my mind to try and do it a

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little bit more rather than just I'm sat

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in my office or I'm sat at the chair to

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get the players and I know I do I've got

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a couple of sessions left as a player

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I'm trying to think about what I can do

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in those in that short frame of time now

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as a player to really make the most of

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it to bring me into that character but

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um do you think there are a lot of

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parallels then between let's say I mean

402
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I've done an episode on acting but do

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you think for lack of a better term

404
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there are a lot of parallels between

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acting and being a player in a ttrpg I

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think there are and of course not all

407
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players are actors of course not but I

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do feel like actors and former actors

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are more drawn to especially the the

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streaming side of things simply because

411
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this is another form of acting it is

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improv and there are dice that affect

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you or cards if it's something like

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Aether uh but you are affected by these

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this other entity but then you have to

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roll with what happens and it's always

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yes and that concept from acting that

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you never negate what your scene partner

419
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has said you build off of it which is

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that which is a cool tenant basically of

421
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most ttrpgs I think in general play

422
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shall we say yeah so in addition to

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popping on a wig or a set of glasses or

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sitting in it in a certain way what else

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do you think as a player you can do

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because obviously the majority of TT RPG

427
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players are on one side of the screen

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than they are there's more players than

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there are GMS so this is more value to

430
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those what else do you think you can do

431
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as a player to either immerse yourself

432
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or I guess more importantly

433
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immerse the four five other people at

434
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the table and help them get embedded in

435
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to the game well me being me I

436
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love role play and so a really good

437
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example of this is was it yesterday time

438
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is a weird soup

439
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um I have what day of the week is it

440
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it's Thursday this morning this morning

441
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all the way back this morning because I

442
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I run games sometimes for people who

443
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it's evening on the west coast USA so

444
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it's 6 a.m for me

445
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but I am running a monster of the week

446
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game and I had uh the set scenes of okay

447
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this is a point in time this is a point

448
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in time what happens in between this and

449
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so I'm there a little bit more to prompt

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the players like of course I have the

451
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mystery and everything that they need to

452
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solve I'm guiding things however

453
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I gave them that space to kind of play

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and so they uh kind of riffed off of

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each other to create this moment that I

456
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was not expecting there was an Auntie

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Anne's and a liminal space mall and uh

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they they named the woman behind the

459
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counter and they like were just having

460
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this banter back and forth with her and

461
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it just makes it so much more fun and it

462
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really shapes the world just a little

463
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bit more and makes that I'm gonna keep

464
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plugging the word of the episode it

465
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immerses it just a little bit more

466
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yeah I think that like

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I like how in that example you said like

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you were the GM however that that

469
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argument is the same for players like

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giving other players and even the GM in

471
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some cases that space that you put it to

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be like like you guys go off and do and

473
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have that back and forth and have that

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yes and and we'll see see where it takes

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us is you know very like you can tell

476
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you can tell when people are like in the

477
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zone or having a moment like of really

478
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vibing like and it can be a huge benefit

479
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just like okay I'm gonna let that see

480
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see it through to its end because I'm

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really enjoying being a

482
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just watching it happen it was very

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entertaining and there were moments

484
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where I was just like okay I can say

485
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something now no they're still going

486
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okay they're they're having their moment

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and I just I was enjoying watching them

488
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have that moment yes you have to cherish

489
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those moments as a gym uh

490
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because at the next session you'll be

491
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staring at four dumbfounded faces you

492
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don't know what to do

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so in turn we spoke briefly earlier on

494
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about music and sound I guess to a

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lesser extent for the GM to help immerse

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their players as we've discussed being

497
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remote as a lot of games are

498
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um there are barriers to entry so often

499
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we're left with our voices and to a

500
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lesser extent our torsos or portraits so

501
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with with those tools that basically

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everybody has their language and their

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face

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um how can you try and immerse people as

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you said that maybe on the other side of

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the world through a screen what tips or

507
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tricks have you have you picked up in

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that time I am very expressive and no

509
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one else can see this but you can like I

510
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am constantly gesturing and I I make

511
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myself big I

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um I'm I'm already forgetting your

513
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question but it's uh I do everything I

514
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can to fill the space basically

515
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uh like filling the space it has

516
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connotations of like physically but also

517
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you can do that with your voice so like

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so the question was like how do you kind

519
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of arrest attention and immerse your

520
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players when you're through two screens

521
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in a camera or on the other side of the

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world and your voice and you're

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gesticulating

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um is is certainly ways to do it I need

525
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to again my accents of my my girlfriend

526
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will tell you uh I can't she's

527
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understand I don't know it because

528
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you're not you can't do it so just don't

529
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don't try it because it'll be bad and

530
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she'll be like oh they're from they're

531
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Geordie do a Geordie accent that was

532
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Welsh okay fine whatever moving on uh so

533
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that's something I struggle with so I

534
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guess let's leverage your theater

535
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background a little bit more then have

536
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you got any

537
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advice then for for doing NPC voices so

538
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if you can't do access

539
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and I am not the best at them like I I

540
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run Serenity Now as a pro GM and so if

541
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you know the characters I cannot do

542
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Badger's accent I cannot do fancy and

543
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,120
mingo's accents I am not going to even

544
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:28,380
attempt to mangle them

545
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:33,059
it is not good and so uh instead what

546
00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:36,659
I'm doing is I uh again like I had said

547
00:23:33,059 --> 00:23:40,980
I change kind of how I hold myself my

548
00:23:36,659 --> 00:23:43,919
posture and I like with fancy and mango

549
00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:45,480
I find myself because they're twins if

550
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:47,820
for those who don't know they're

551
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,980
identical twins and they dress alike

552
00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:53,039
except for like different colored

553
00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:56,460
cravats or ties whatever and so I find

554
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:58,799
myself shifting in my seat to look at

555
00:23:56,460 --> 00:24:01,980
myself basically

556
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:04,500
and I'm kind of like doing emotion like

557
00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:06,600
a side to side motion uh because they

558
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:08,820
kind of they kind of are doing that

559
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,520
constantly just to talk to each other

560
00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:15,419
and so I try to go more for the

561
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,159
mannerisms if I can't do the accent

562
00:24:15,419 --> 00:24:18,000
yeah and that is actually something you

563
00:24:17,159 --> 00:24:20,880
can take

564
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:24,000
into in-person games as well and again

565
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,799
my problem is is I always my brain is

566
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:30,480
going a million miles per hour whenever

567
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:33,360
I'm dming and it's always on like the

568
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,940
words I have to think really really hard

569
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,860
to filter it through get downloads

570
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:39,539
biases out the way and then try and

571
00:24:37,860 --> 00:24:42,120
think about what this NBC would do in

572
00:24:39,539 --> 00:24:45,620
this without me trying to be like a mean

573
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:48,120
DM or a two you know um soft DM and like

574
00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:51,240
so trying to navigate those currents

575
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:53,340
takes up like 90 of my CPU running time

576
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,740
uh which is which is wrong because I

577
00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:58,980
should I need to spend more time on

578
00:24:55,740 --> 00:25:00,480
those flourishes on those like moving

579
00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:03,000
around and then getting up and walking

580
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,280
around and and sitting up straight and

581
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,659
that kind of stuff because

582
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,640
it's just it's just like you don't get

583
00:25:06,659 --> 00:25:12,900
to do that in any other medium so you

584
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,520
may as well do it all yeah exactly

585
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:16,200
okay I'm just now I'm just trying to

586
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,580
Rattle through a couple of major NPCs

587
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,020
and thinking like what can I do for her

588
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:21,419
what can I do for them what can I do for

589
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:23,520
him like and and that's now some

590
00:25:21,419 --> 00:25:25,020
homework the the double-edged sword of

591
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,279
this podcast is it always gives me

592
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:27,539
homework every time I speak to somebody

593
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,240
I'm like okay great now I don't really

594
00:25:27,539 --> 00:25:32,820
don't do that

595
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:36,840
well it lets you get to play with how

596
00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:38,760
you GM and then you can maybe adapt some

597
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,279
pieces that yes that works for you but

598
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:44,640
oh no that doesn't work for you because

599
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:47,760
every GM is different some people are

600
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:50,880
the the full effects the Epic stories

601
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,580
things like that where they know where

602
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:56,000
every single piece and every single NPC

603
00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:59,580
is at all times

604
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:02,880
I personally don't go that route and I

605
00:25:59,580 --> 00:26:07,740
think part of for me as a GM the the

606
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:11,520
immersion aspect is that I have key

607
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:13,500
moments or key people very very rough

608
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,539
very basic I'll have a couple of

609
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:17,760
paragraphs of things that I know that I

610
00:26:15,539 --> 00:26:18,539
want to say for describing but besides

611
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,020
that

612
00:26:18,539 --> 00:26:23,820
what my players do

613
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:25,860
determines completely what happens like

614
00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:28,260
I have run this one particular monster

615
00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:30,840
of the week module probably 10 times at

616
00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:32,580
this point and every single time

617
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,620
something different happens

618
00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:38,580
every single time

619
00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:41,700
and like uh one time I had a player

620
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:43,080
decide that he needed to go to a thrift

621
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,640
store and I was just like well now

622
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,220
there's a thrift store there and because

623
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,980
you have created this thrift store added

624
00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:51,840
something to this world well the girl

625
00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:53,720
behind the counter knows something about

626
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,600
this mystery that you're trying to solve

627
00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:00,659
and so I reward the creativity of my

628
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,779
players and they're exploring this world

629
00:27:00,659 --> 00:27:07,679
that they're in with little hints little

630
00:27:03,779 --> 00:27:10,200
Clues just fun things fun elements they

631
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:11,940
say that what's the saying insanity is

632
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,159
doing the same thing and expecting a

633
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:17,159
different outcome and yet the thing I

634
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:20,700
love about the ttrpgs is that you can

635
00:27:17,159 --> 00:27:22,860
have the same variables and there'd be

636
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:24,900
it can it can always Blindside you it's

637
00:27:22,860 --> 00:27:26,520
gonna be it's gonna be in fact when I

638
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:29,580
start jamming soon that'll be the third

639
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,380
ish iteration of this kind of world that

640
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:33,779
I've I've built up and I'm expecting it

641
00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:36,299
now with experience to go completely

642
00:27:33,779 --> 00:27:38,340
different again for the third time

643
00:27:36,299 --> 00:27:39,539
because it is even with the same like

644
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:41,580
you're in this town and there's these

645
00:27:39,539 --> 00:27:43,980
NPCs and this is happening okay well I

646
00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:47,580
want to go to the thrift shop okie dokie

647
00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:48,539
there's a thrift shop now it is called

648
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:51,659
um

649
00:27:48,539 --> 00:27:56,279
I don't know my my first thought in my

650
00:27:51,659 --> 00:27:58,919
brain was uh the Violet sofa I don't

651
00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:02,279
know why but it's the Violet sofa now

652
00:27:58,919 --> 00:28:04,020
and uh you go in and there are all of

653
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:06,720
the there's all this brick-a-brac all

654
00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:08,279
around and the thing that you're looking

655
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,140
for

656
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:13,200
perception check or whatever it may be

657
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:16,860
as on a shelf very high up and you need

658
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:19,260
a lot and so you build off of that and

659
00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:21,539
it just creates a world and no one knows

660
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:22,740
what's to what you're going to expect I

661
00:28:21,539 --> 00:28:26,480
don't know what I'm going to expect

662
00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:30,179
because it just randomly appeared

663
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,179
so uh yeah so that's that's one reason

664
00:28:30,179 --> 00:28:35,340
why I do love ttrpgs that that same

665
00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:37,200
input different output is from my very

666
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:39,179
programmatic brain and background that's

667
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,500
it scratches that itch me very much it's

668
00:28:39,179 --> 00:28:43,980
spending my working day dealing with

669
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:47,400
computers and stuff so when we are

670
00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:48,840
building worlds which I know is is you

671
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,539
know emphasized more or less depending

672
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:55,460
on the system you're in what can you do

673
00:28:51,539 --> 00:28:58,080
there as a World Builder as a GM to help

674
00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:59,880
with bringing the players into that

675
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,380
world because I know you know I've done

676
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,779
it in the past where

677
00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:05,220
you need improvising or you've not got

678
00:29:03,779 --> 00:29:06,900
enough prep or it's the first session

679
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:08,340
with new players who are like I'm

680
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,440
looking at it may as well be a blank

681
00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:12,360
piece of paper and I don't as all

682
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,440
writers will tell you a blank piece of

683
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,460
paper is the hardest thing to look at as

684
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,799
soon as you get one word on there it's

685
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:18,779
fine but getting over that that first

686
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:22,140
blank bit of paper

687
00:29:18,779 --> 00:29:24,480
metaphor for tgrpg absolutely I know

688
00:29:22,140 --> 00:29:27,240
exactly what you mean don't worry so

689
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,880
yeah how like as a gym what can we do to

690
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,899
in those situations with our world

691
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,279
building

692
00:29:30,899 --> 00:29:38,039
it depends on if it's a one shot or a

693
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,419
campaign because I do run a lot of one

694
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:43,200
shots

695
00:29:39,419 --> 00:29:46,919
and so for campaigns what I will always

696
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,380
do is I will have my players especially

697
00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:51,240
for something like monster of the week I

698
00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:53,880
just recently started this campaign so

699
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:58,020
it's very much on my brain but I will

700
00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:01,140
have them add in some elements of the

701
00:29:58,020 --> 00:30:03,659
story so they will get to create oh well

702
00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:06,260
what's your what's the favorite Diner of

703
00:30:03,659 --> 00:30:10,340
the group after you've had a long day

704
00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:14,039
slaying monsters where do you go

705
00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:18,120
what is the uh the prank that you pull

706
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:20,880
on uh this other character and so like I

707
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:24,600
I draw in all of these elements that

708
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:28,080
they get to create the world and we go

709
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:30,840
from there another uh campaign that's on

710
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:35,159
pause right now I have a kids on broom's

711
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:39,000
campaign and that one is extremely the

712
00:30:35,159 --> 00:30:41,159
players create the world and so we have

713
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,580
an underground

714
00:30:41,159 --> 00:30:46,080
I can do words school I say that

715
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:48,179
sometimes no we have an underground

716
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,299
School underneath Paddington Station in

717
00:30:48,179 --> 00:30:54,179
London and it is the Paddington school

718
00:30:51,299 --> 00:30:56,700
for the Arcane arst because someone

719
00:30:54,179 --> 00:31:00,120
putting up the sign uh switched the

720
00:30:56,700 --> 00:31:02,159
letters and because it was put up there

721
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,279
it's permanent and forever so that had

722
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:07,020
to be the name of the school

723
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,700
um and it was legitimately because I was

724
00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:10,320
writing things down and I accidentally

725
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,460
switched the letters and I told my

726
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,020
players and they were like no that's

727
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:16,140
funny keep it

728
00:31:13,020 --> 00:31:18,480
yeah I love that

729
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:21,299
there is I have I have seen tips and

730
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,580
tricks before of like a session zero a

731
00:31:21,299 --> 00:31:26,179
big part of that being like okay well

732
00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:29,100
let's here's some land masses but let's

733
00:31:26,179 --> 00:31:32,760
populate it together have you ever done

734
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:35,220
anything like that not the entire world

735
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,440
itself I would say that the the kids on

736
00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:41,580
broom's game is the closest to that

737
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:44,820
because we created a couple of different

738
00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:47,880
key locations like there's the yarhesy

739
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:50,520
woods that is 10 meters by 10 meters

740
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,380
from the outside and it's in the center

741
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,899
of the school but as soon as you enter

742
00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:57,179
it is this massive Forest

743
00:31:54,899 --> 00:31:58,860
and I didn't come up with that one of my

744
00:31:57,179 --> 00:32:01,140
players did

745
00:31:58,860 --> 00:32:03,779
um they also came up with oh well

746
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:05,340
there's a theater class and I was just

747
00:32:03,779 --> 00:32:09,799
like cool

748
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:09,799
um it is haunted by Shakespeare's ghost

749
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:16,260
and uh one of the players decided that

750
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:19,980
like he was coming from the states to

751
00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:21,480
this school and so he had a cell phone

752
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:23,700
he was constantly trying to keep in

753
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,200
contact with his brother and so he would

754
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:26,760
go over to the Starbucks and I was like

755
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,159
cool there's suddenly a Starbucks in

756
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,580
this magical world whatever

757
00:32:29,159 --> 00:32:36,899
I mean it's it's underground from London

758
00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:40,380
proper so I think that works it's fine

759
00:32:36,899 --> 00:32:42,480
yeah no absolutely I I have I bought in

760
00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:44,460
a uh I call it a dwarf box because run

761
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,980
by dwarfs um but I love the

762
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:50,640
juxtaposition of something that's very

763
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:52,559
very Ultra Modern and capitalist in a

764
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,299
very very fantasy setting and having the

765
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,919
two smushing the two together and being

766
00:32:54,299 --> 00:32:57,899
like yeah you can just get like hot

767
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:59,760
coffee here and that's yeah it's just

768
00:32:57,899 --> 00:33:01,799
something that you would not expect to

769
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,179
see and I think my players liked it a

770
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,679
couple of times they went I like to

771
00:33:03,179 --> 00:33:07,860
think at least I tell myself that when

772
00:33:04,679 --> 00:33:10,380
I'm building new ones uh I did actually

773
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,040
listen to uh philippa's episode where

774
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:14,960
you did talk about that

775
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:18,239
[Laughter]

776
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,239
[Music]

777
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:27,600
[Music]

778
00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:30,659
uh yeah so it's

779
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,919
again as I said before I sound like my

780
00:33:30,659 --> 00:33:34,140
dad don't repeat myself

781
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:36,720
um more of an art than a science and

782
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:39,360
that that immersion is it's both as a

783
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,399
player and a GM it's very easy to get

784
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,159
you know not see the wood for the trees

785
00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:46,500
and just be like I'm doing the rote I'm

786
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:48,899
doing yeah the heroes and here's for

787
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:51,539
NPCs and here's the shop and here's the

788
00:33:48,899 --> 00:33:53,940
city that it's in but kind of lose the

789
00:33:51,539 --> 00:33:56,399
you know the soft edges on those to make

790
00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:57,899
it a little bit more engaging a little

791
00:33:56,399 --> 00:34:01,380
bit more like well there's the shop so

792
00:33:57,899 --> 00:34:04,260
and this guy is his name is Joe and

793
00:34:01,380 --> 00:34:06,240
that's it uh without kind of losing

794
00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:08,099
those those soft edges and it's

795
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,599
something I

796
00:34:08,099 --> 00:34:12,720
also

797
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:15,300
um again as I said I'm quite uh

798
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:17,280
who put it I think it was Philippa she

799
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,780
said that my was it brain what was the

800
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,080
type of brains you can have like one's

801
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:23,000
quite programmatic and uh

802
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,520
I remember

803
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:30,679
yeah creative uh being a visual learner

804
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:33,359
or things like that so I'm I'm very like

805
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:36,060
so I'm it's something I struggle with to

806
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:40,500
be like let me like break that mold and

807
00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:44,580
go out of a bit to to try and make this

808
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:47,580
world be alive rather than just a like a

809
00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:49,859
Lego block set of scenes one after the

810
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:52,619
other I have a very good example of that

811
00:34:49,859 --> 00:34:54,899
so uh there's this one module that I run

812
00:34:52,619 --> 00:34:56,460
that's called The modron Maze and I

813
00:34:54,899 --> 00:35:01,820
believe it's free if you want to get it

814
00:34:56,460 --> 00:35:04,740
uh but it is one of those that it is a

815
00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:07,980
dungeon delve classic with a Twist

816
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:11,220
because the modrons are trying to

817
00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:12,200
collect data and figure out what the

818
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:16,560
perfect

819
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:19,140
dungeon is to you know just to establish

820
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:23,820
this so it's you are dungeon experiment

821
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:27,480
73 and so you get transported into this

822
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:30,180
30 by 30 room that looks like

823
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:33,240
if you have been told what farming

824
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:35,460
equipment and Farms look like and you're

825
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:39,420
drawing it from that memory 10 years

826
00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:41,460
later uh so it's just wild things that

827
00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:44,280
have been painted it looks terrible it's

828
00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:47,700
wild but basically you're going from

829
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,260
room to room solving puzzles uh going

830
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:54,359
through dilemmas things like that

831
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:57,680
there's combat and I have only had one

832
00:35:54,359 --> 00:36:01,500
time where the players very clearly

833
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:03,599
didn't quite get it okay and they were

834
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:05,280
very much we have done the task go to

835
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:08,520
the next room we have done the test go

836
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,200
to the next room they weren't to me it

837
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,700
felt like they weren't immersed in it

838
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,760
and they weren't having fun because they

839
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:16,560
were so focused on task a task B tasks

840
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,900
yeah you know

841
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,240
that sounds I love modrons

842
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:23,220
um that I haven't I have a module in in

843
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,440
my Homebrew campaign that that has

844
00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:27,960
though it's just the that that desire

845
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,339
for Perfection that yeah the mechanical

846
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,320
element to it it's just takes so many

847
00:36:29,339 --> 00:36:33,540
boxes for me and they look cute as heck

848
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,300
as well

849
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:37,020
it just it's just you know fantastic

850
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:38,940
um

851
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:40,680
but I love that that try to find the

852
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:42,800
perfect dungeon I'm gonna I'm gonna look

853
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:46,260
for that because

854
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,760
it is a really fun one that farming

855
00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:49,980
equipment thing reminded me of that Meme

856
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,780
where it's like old-fashioned uh

857
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:53,640
paintings of cats and the thing is like

858
00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:55,200
you know what you can paint a cat you

859
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,119
know what a cat looks right yeah right

860
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,300
yeah yeah sure but then other cats are

861
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:02,700
like got six legs elongated snouts and

862
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:05,940
look very suspicious yeah well think

863
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:09,480
about it this way imagine a bicycle in

864
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:11,640
your head and then try to draw it it is

865
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,000
really hard to do without referencing

866
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:17,579
the actual bicycle and so it's a similar

867
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,280
kind of thing and uh one of the elements

868
00:37:17,579 --> 00:37:22,320
I don't remember if it's actually in the

869
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,599
module or if I made it up but do you

870
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,420
know the painting American Gothic yeah

871
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:31,079
yeah yeah so uh one of the things that I

872
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:33,540
have in there is that you find a guy

873
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:36,119
that is called farmer modron and he is

874
00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:39,180
looking for his daughter made in modron

875
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:41,640
and there is a painting on the wall that

876
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:44,640
is basically them in American Gothic

877
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:47,640
style and they're acting the parts right

878
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:50,160
like oh yeah yeah yeah uh the maiden

879
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,260
modron just has a flower stapled or

880
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,960
taped whatever to her head and the

881
00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:57,119
father Mo the farmer modron has the the

882
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,600
straw hat and a piece of straw sticking

883
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:01,339
like glued to his mouth

884
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:04,380
[Laughter]

885
00:38:01,339 --> 00:38:06,660
I think I think when I the one the one

886
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:09,900
time I ran it is like a one shot just to

887
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:12,300
test the waters I think I had them

888
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:12,900
I had about oh well I'm gonna Loop it

889
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:14,339
back to what we were talking about

890
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:17,339
earlier on it had a sound effect planned

891
00:38:14,339 --> 00:38:19,560
ah yeah and it was the 56k dial-up modem

892
00:38:17,339 --> 00:38:21,119
sound oh and I was like this creature

893
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,900
approaches you opens its mouth and you

894
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,619
hear

895
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,619
this noise

896
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,440
and just lay that and the players were

897
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:41,220
like right okay well do I understand

898
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,839
that you hear that noise I I don't know

899
00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:45,240
what else to tell you

900
00:38:42,839 --> 00:38:48,119
amazing

901
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:51,240
um one of my one of my friends he's my

902
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:52,859
uh moderator on Twitch and is a

903
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:55,560
wonderful human being

904
00:38:52,859 --> 00:38:58,099
um he suggested I think it was this

905
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,359
morning time is weird

906
00:38:58,099 --> 00:39:03,300
when I have these long days I don't know

907
00:39:00,359 --> 00:39:07,140
what time is anymore but uh he suggested

908
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:09,480
because he's also British he said hey I

909
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:12,420
should do some recordings if you want

910
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,540
for your Serenity game because then they

911
00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:18,480
can just be random recordings from

912
00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:20,700
people that have been sent over and I

913
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,640
was just like this is an excellent idea

914
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:25,020
I love it

915
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,800
so you've got like a sound board or are

916
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:30,180
they uh longer pieces I don't know we've

917
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,880
just it's gonna be a pleasant surprise

918
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:36,420
lovely we'll we'll see what happens but

919
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,880
he has like a full setup she has like 20

920
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:41,339
guitars he's

921
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,079
he has I think when we when we play he

922
00:39:41,339 --> 00:39:47,099
has to go through like 50 different

923
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:49,400
sound things to find where his mic is uh

924
00:39:47,099 --> 00:39:52,200
oh inputs you mean yeah yeah

925
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,240
I'm Bamboozled by my two input interface

926
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,560
down here so that's it it's it's done

927
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,000
it's been done one right so now we're

928
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:00,000
never gonna touch it again because it's

929
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,579
it's working so yes I can I can imagine

930
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,500
it's like a different it's like a a

931
00:40:02,579 --> 00:40:06,720
completely different Beast yeah for sure

932
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:08,040
oh I've just think about more John's as

933
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,119
just making me happy now I'm just

934
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,920
smiling

935
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:14,099
just trying to think of cute little

936
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,140
crazy things for them to do

937
00:40:14,099 --> 00:40:18,180
the plan I have we're going off on the

938
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:21,660
Sega right now but yeah that's fine the

939
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:23,220
plan I have was partly inspired by Star

940
00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:25,079
Trek to a certain extent obviously

941
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:26,640
they're all like there's like a there's

942
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:27,900
like a modern prime or something like

943
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,099
that there's some like leader because

944
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,839
they were you know there was a very

945
00:40:29,099 --> 00:40:33,240
clear hierarchy in terms of like

946
00:40:30,839 --> 00:40:34,500
management with the with the mudrons all

947
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,960
the way up to the top of the big boss

948
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:40,079
man and I had in my head that like a

949
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,460
sect had broken away a bit like I think

950
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,140
in a couple of Star Treks it's like

951
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:44,520
where the there's some Borg that have

952
00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:46,680
broken away from the collective and

953
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,020
they're like what is happening because

954
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,200
I've got my sentience back and it's

955
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:53,760
scary here so that's that's the kind of

956
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,380
vibe I wanted to look at they might find

957
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,020
a little sect of like module on

958
00:40:55,380 --> 00:41:00,000
somewhere who are like am I making a

959
00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:02,640
house I don't know what is happening I'm

960
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,560
just trying to like now I'm not being

961
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,619
controlled by this huge machine

962
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:10,079
literally uh I'm now just

963
00:41:07,619 --> 00:41:12,720
try to make my way and this crazy Topsy

964
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:16,220
world that is on a Gear uh it's a little

965
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:19,440
Doctor Who to me yes

966
00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:23,040
yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah I can

967
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,859
imagine so oh yeah now it's getting all

968
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,900
my my creative juices flowing again

969
00:41:24,859 --> 00:41:30,540
she's making very happy so from from

970
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:33,960
your perspective then let's let's flip

971
00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:36,599
it a little bit from the times that

972
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,119
you've been a player in anything what

973
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:41,400
things have you found to be like wow

974
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,500
okay I'm engaged now or I know exactly

975
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,760
where I am or I'm really in the moment a

976
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,560
lot of things of other players down on

977
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,020
the DM's done for you for you that's

978
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:52,820
that's really stood out and been like

979
00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:52,820
okay I'm here

980
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,619
it's a difficult question because

981
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,780
there's probably millions and millions

982
00:41:58,619 --> 00:42:03,119
of examples and across the weird time

983
00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:06,720
you want me to be business so exactly

984
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:09,480
well I'm thinking back to so when we did

985
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:11,579
the the vampire the Masquerade game it's

986
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:15,359
on manapot Studios they're all on

987
00:42:11,579 --> 00:42:18,240
YouTube now but uh we did a three-part

988
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:21,359
Series in the fall and at the end of the

989
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:24,420
last episode we went oh no this is

990
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:26,880
this is a prequel isn't it and so then

991
00:42:24,420 --> 00:42:30,480
we went on to do another uh three

992
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:33,839
episodes I think in the spring but

993
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,440
I think that thinking about that the

994
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:38,880
immersive moment for me was when crefu

995
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,300
the GM

996
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,099
he pulled in one of my I'm forgetting

997
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:47,040
the terms now but one of my connections

998
00:42:44,099 --> 00:42:48,720
he brought in my character's

999
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:53,940
ex-girlfriends

1000
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:56,579
and so he he pulled on that moment and I

1001
00:42:53,940 --> 00:43:00,839
had this realization of

1002
00:42:56,579 --> 00:43:01,680
oh no she is not ready to see her she

1003
00:43:00,839 --> 00:43:05,099
can't

1004
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,619
this is really and it's not like scary

1005
00:43:05,099 --> 00:43:10,740
or dangerous or anything like that it's

1006
00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:14,640
her heart has been broken and I didn't

1007
00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:18,119
actually realize that until that moment

1008
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:21,900
and so there was this there was this

1009
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:25,859
just little connection between me and uh

1010
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:28,319
another player where I hid behind her

1011
00:43:25,859 --> 00:43:31,920
and she like checked in with me are you

1012
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:33,540
okay and that

1013
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,480
spurred

1014
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:39,359
third relationship actually uh it was

1015
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:44,220
very beautiful chaotic like disaster

1016
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:48,180
lesbian vampires amazing I adored it but

1017
00:43:44,220 --> 00:43:51,980
it all stemmed from our GM bringing in

1018
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:56,220
that NPC at a very raw vulnerable moment

1019
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:58,819
and Adelaide had to take a step back and

1020
00:43:56,220 --> 00:44:03,540
hide and compose herself

1021
00:43:58,819 --> 00:44:05,940
and that pulled in so much more into

1022
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:09,540
perspective for me for who Adelaide was

1023
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:11,700
why she was there and a little bit more

1024
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:13,859
about her backstory that I hadn't even

1025
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:15,540
explored yet

1026
00:44:13,859 --> 00:44:17,760
um yeah I think I've been I've been

1027
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:21,180
there when other players have had those

1028
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,520
you know familiar moments with with NPCs

1029
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:25,460
and I've just been sitting there like

1030
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:28,980
something Big's about to happen yeah

1031
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:30,660
just watching them really you know have

1032
00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:31,800
that intense moment and you'll come out

1033
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:35,880
the other side and you're almost like

1034
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:39,660
are we everyone cool we get to yeah

1035
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:42,660
oh emotional things are my absolute

1036
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:45,900
favorite in games like Philippa can

1037
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:49,079
attest to this if you ask her but uh at

1038
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:51,859
the end I won't give spoilers but at the

1039
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:55,380
end of that prequel three-part series

1040
00:44:51,859 --> 00:44:56,900
there was a a very emotional

1041
00:44:55,380 --> 00:45:00,900
confrontation

1042
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:03,780
that I just absolutely adored and I was

1043
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:07,619
crying by the end of it

1044
00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:09,599
so hard and I just I love that I think

1045
00:45:07,619 --> 00:45:12,540
it's definitely the actor side of me

1046
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:15,720
being like yes emotional I made other

1047
00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:18,720
people watch and cry perfect

1048
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:18,720
up

1049
00:45:22,819 --> 00:45:28,560
yeah I want to I need to we're currently

1050
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,960
in the like planning and prep stage this

1051
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,740
new campaigns there's a couple of

1052
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,839
players working on the characters

1053
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:35,040
thinking out backstories and and you

1054
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:37,200
know some of them even picked races or

1055
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,460
classes yet so I want to try this

1056
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,960
there's a big questionnaire I found at

1057
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:42,480
one point ages ago if we would have read

1058
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,720
it back in the five years ago

1059
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,460
um that had not only stuff like who's

1060
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,900
your family you know where are they what

1061
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:51,300
do they do now what I think about you

1062
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:55,079
risking your life to go adventuring but

1063
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:57,240
also stuff around like what is what do

1064
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,579
you have in your pockets what's the

1065
00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:01,380
Keepsake for you you know what what yeah

1066
00:45:59,579 --> 00:46:03,680
what do you what do you you know what do

1067
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:05,520
you think of religion

1068
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,280
open-ended questions like that so I

1069
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,020
might give that to them and just say you

1070
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,079
know as much or as little as you like

1071
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:16,020
with the evil intent to pull on their

1072
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:17,760
heartstrings in two years time when when

1073
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:20,819
that family member comes back or

1074
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:24,000
something happens absolutely there's

1075
00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:26,819
this uh so I've been reading up on a

1076
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,640
bunch of different smaller indie games

1077
00:46:26,819 --> 00:46:33,000
that are multiplayer and all of that and

1078
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:36,000
uh one of them that I've done is said

1079
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,160
this uh fun little game called under the

1080
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,619
floorboards

1081
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:44,099
and one of the things that they do in

1082
00:46:40,619 --> 00:46:45,300
establishing questions is that uh and I

1083
00:46:44,099 --> 00:46:48,420
think that it's called establishing

1084
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:51,900
questions that is that they have like

1085
00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:55,020
five or six questions and uh the first

1086
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:57,660
one is looking and for for people who

1087
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:59,819
don't know it it's like uh the borrowers

1088
00:46:57,660 --> 00:47:02,160
Secret World of arietti that kind of

1089
00:46:59,819 --> 00:47:05,099
thing but you are two inch tall people

1090
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:09,200
and you are living between the

1091
00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:12,420
floorboards of a um the biggies house

1092
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:16,380
and so uh one of the questions that they

1093
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:18,500
ask is what in this room and I think

1094
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:21,660
it's the living room what in this room

1095
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:24,300
makes you feel safe

1096
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:27,780
can be a very innocent innocuous

1097
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:30,839
question however

1098
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:33,359
gives you a moment as a GM or in this

1099
00:47:30,839 --> 00:47:36,319
case a guiding voice to be like oh what

1100
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:39,000
can I do with that information

1101
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:41,280
what answers have some people given for

1102
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,780
that then is it mundane like the pillow

1103
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,660
in the corner or is it more abstract

1104
00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:48,119
like the warmth from the fireplace yeah

1105
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:50,339
it's sometimes it's mundane uh the

1106
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:53,160
example that was given in the game that

1107
00:47:50,339 --> 00:47:55,740
I ran this week was

1108
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:59,460
um that they had uh you know those those

1109
00:47:55,740 --> 00:48:03,359
demo CDs that you used to get uh in the

1110
00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:06,720
mail or whatever so it was uh this demo

1111
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:10,380
CD that they had created into their

1112
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:13,859
dining room table using a champagne cork

1113
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:16,619
in the center you know so it was it

1114
00:48:13,859 --> 00:48:19,380
wasn't the physical object of it but it

1115
00:48:16,619 --> 00:48:20,940
was the the borrowing of it like finding

1116
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:24,180
it and bringing it back to their home

1117
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:27,240
and it was whittling away at that cork

1118
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:30,780
so that it would fit into the CD in that

1119
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:33,839
Center hole and it was all of the meals

1120
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:37,500
that they share around that table

1121
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:41,760
so yes it was a physical object but it

1122
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:45,319
added so much character and backstory to

1123
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,460
this one shot that I ran yes yeah

1124
00:48:45,319 --> 00:48:49,260
I didn't want to maybe think about just

1125
00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:51,000
like the the complete opposite of that

1126
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:51,960
of the uh that that answer to that

1127
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,540
question is that what makes you feel

1128
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:57,420
safe this gun and that's it there's no

1129
00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:58,940
that's it the third third dimension it

1130
00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:02,800
is literally like

1131
00:48:58,940 --> 00:49:02,800
[Laughter]

1132
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,819
what happens when your gun is stolen

1133
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,500
from you or when it gets bent or jammed

1134
00:49:08,819 --> 00:49:13,140
or yeah any other thing what happens

1135
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:15,540
when you run out of bullets what then

1136
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:18,359
what makes you feel safe I also have the

1137
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:21,599
image of what a small you know

1138
00:49:18,359 --> 00:49:23,880
borrower's gun would be now on we had

1139
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:25,740
that example actually because they were

1140
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,780
just like oh I imagine I have a pistol

1141
00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:29,940
I'm just like you're two inches tall

1142
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:33,619
yeah how does that work

1143
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:33,619
where are you getting a gun from

1144
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,660
someone or it takes 10 of them to like

1145
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:44,780
hold it there yeah

1146
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:48,119
God uh considering the fact that a

1147
00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:51,060
safety pin is like a grappling hook for

1148
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:54,260
them if they bend it around no no not

1149
00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:54,260
gonna work not gonna work

1150
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:01,079
oh that's I see this this always proves

1151
00:49:58,020 --> 00:50:02,880
to me I need to look into more stuff I'm

1152
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:07,319
I'm you know hands up the first to say

1153
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:11,819
I'm such you know my my blinkers on for

1154
00:50:07,319 --> 00:50:13,859
d d yeah yeah but also for like just

1155
00:50:11,819 --> 00:50:16,680
that is not that answer that's the the

1156
00:50:13,859 --> 00:50:18,420
root cause the symptom is only asking

1157
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,420
questions like who are your family

1158
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:23,819
members which is great but it is again

1159
00:50:21,420 --> 00:50:24,900
it is it is still kind of limited yes

1160
00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:26,520
what we've got in your pocket but

1161
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,920
there's still like what makes you feel

1162
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,960
safe it's just such a great open-ended

1163
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,839
it is

1164
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,900
to really get those those juices flowing

1165
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:38,400
so that's what I'll be doing now is go

1166
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:39,960
into that list and adding in the

1167
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,819
questions of that ilk

1168
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,339
yeah I need to

1169
00:50:41,819 --> 00:50:46,260
like that we're about to start as I've

1170
00:50:44,339 --> 00:50:48,960
said several times and

1171
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:51,079
I'm now just being selfish and mining

1172
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,119
for advice now um

1173
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:57,480
but starting this campaign real mixer

1174
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:59,099
players one is not novice but he's only

1175
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,740
played a couple of times in the past and

1176
00:50:59,099 --> 00:51:02,940
the rest uh you know years and years of

1177
00:51:01,740 --> 00:51:04,980
experience

1178
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:07,099
um what's what's something I can do you

1179
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:09,660
know right at the beginning too not only

1180
00:51:07,099 --> 00:51:11,760
solve the problem of the classic we need

1181
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:13,740
to bring everybody together and make

1182
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:17,040
them go in the same direction which is

1183
00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:19,980
difficult anytime but also that initial

1184
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,119
like now in the world like maybe you

1185
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:22,500
could you could kind of broaden that

1186
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:25,380
question to be like at the beginning of

1187
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:27,420
every scenario what's the kind of uh

1188
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:30,180
every scenario every session yeah what's

1189
00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:31,440
the kind of tradition perhaps people do

1190
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:34,079
to

1191
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,300
switch your brain over from beep boop

1192
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:39,119
I've done the washing up to now I've got

1193
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:43,339
to be this evil glitch

1194
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:43,339
yeah one of the things that I like

1195
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,780
I like session or things I think that

1196
00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:47,780
but

1197
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,660
what do they do in their daily life and

1198
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,599
what is disrupting them

1199
00:51:54,660 --> 00:52:01,920
so maybe that new player maybe their

1200
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:04,980
character is a I mean going off of the

1201
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,980
classic I mean no Tavern but what if

1202
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:09,780
they are working at the tavern or

1203
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:11,599
delivering some mail maybe they're a

1204
00:52:09,780 --> 00:52:16,020
message run or something like that

1205
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:18,660
and they have some Grand thing happens

1206
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:22,500
that they need to explain who do they go

1207
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:24,240
to to explain that to oh well maybe the

1208
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:26,940
uh the owner of the bar isn't the most

1209
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:29,280
trusting in the world and they see this

1210
00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:32,040
like one or two people

1211
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,440
that they seem like they are more

1212
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,859
trustworthy to share this information

1213
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:41,700
with so they will come over and share

1214
00:52:37,859 --> 00:52:46,079
that and you can even do things like

1215
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:49,440
giving piecemeal information that some

1216
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:52,559
characters know and others don't and

1217
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:55,859
then so maybe that new player the thing

1218
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:58,920
that you give him is uh give them is uh

1219
00:52:55,859 --> 00:53:04,819
you know that these other two characters

1220
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:08,160
are in grave danger and you know that

1221
00:53:04,819 --> 00:53:10,079
XYZ like the Lich example that you get

1222
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,540
the Lich is coming for them whatever it

1223
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:14,700
may be but you know this teeny bit of

1224
00:53:12,540 --> 00:53:18,059
information and you need to get them to

1225
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:20,160
trust you and you need to help them

1226
00:53:18,059 --> 00:53:22,980
so it also gives them a little bit more

1227
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,420
of a direction to go into because uh

1228
00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:27,300
people who've been playing for years and

1229
00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:30,059
years and years we generally have a good

1230
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:32,940
sense of what we need to do but newbie

1231
00:53:30,059 --> 00:53:35,160
players not as much like they might have

1232
00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:37,020
a general idea concept of it if they've

1233
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:40,859
watched any actual plays or things like

1234
00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:43,140
that but having that direction that

1235
00:53:40,859 --> 00:53:46,500
drive for their character helps to bring

1236
00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:48,059
them into it as well having each player

1237
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:49,619
have some information the first thing my

1238
00:53:48,059 --> 00:53:51,059
Lich mind went to was like it would be

1239
00:53:49,619 --> 00:53:52,980
fun to throw in a few red herrings in

1240
00:53:51,059 --> 00:53:54,240
there a couple of players that everyone

1241
00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:59,059
have a piece of information but a couple

1242
00:53:54,240 --> 00:54:01,460
are just like completely wrong 100

1243
00:53:59,059 --> 00:54:04,559
I don't know how that reflects on me but

1244
00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:07,800
slightly off from what the actual truth

1245
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:11,599
is yes beware of people in red coats and

1246
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,599
it's a blue coat that yeah

1247
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:17,220
uh okay thank you for that yeah it's

1248
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,480
something I've done it for ages uh you

1249
00:54:17,220 --> 00:54:19,680
know starting the new campaign bringing

1250
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,599
in new players and stuff and then

1251
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,800
suddenly um when they're starting to

1252
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,300
give me character sheets I'm like oh

1253
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,559
it's real and it's happening and I've

1254
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:26,880
actually got to get these people to do

1255
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:31,260
something now in a world that I've

1256
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:33,599
created oh okay uh I can't just turn up

1257
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:35,819
every other week and play the game and

1258
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:37,440
then leave and uh yeah

1259
00:54:35,819 --> 00:54:39,420
there's some more work that needs to be

1260
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,599
done one final thing I wanted to mention

1261
00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:44,520
is a tip that I often hear and and try

1262
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:46,980
to employ again not as much as I should

1263
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,540
is when you do the descriptions when

1264
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:51,420
you're describing a place try and bring

1265
00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:54,180
in the smells and the sounds rather than

1266
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:57,599
just the site I don't know what part of

1267
00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:59,760
human nature makes us only focus on like

1268
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:02,040
what you can see you know so like that's

1269
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,020
That's a classic tip 101 what smells can

1270
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,220
you and smell in this environment and

1271
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:07,260
everyone goes well at least I certainly

1272
00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:08,280
did oh yeah why don't I why didn't I

1273
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:10,140
think of that when I was writing that

1274
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,119
description I don't know why humans only

1275
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:13,920
focus on site but it's clearly a problem

1276
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:16,140
otherwise it wouldn't be a tip well a

1277
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,720
really good example which I've been

1278
00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:21,180
saying a lot but uh going back to that

1279
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:24,420
monster of the weekend uh session the

1280
00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:27,300
module that I've run many many times I

1281
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:29,280
have this moment where they are starting

1282
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:33,900
to track down this monster that is

1283
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:36,660
kidnapping people and someone smells

1284
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:37,680
something in the air and it's this Briny

1285
00:55:36,660 --> 00:55:40,140
scent

1286
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:43,200
and so that pulls them to the ocean it

1287
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:44,640
pulls them to okay I'm smelling this

1288
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,630
thing what does this mean we're in the

1289
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,220
middle of Ohio

1290
00:55:45,630 --> 00:55:51,119
[Laughter]

1291
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:54,180
so what does this mean and so that draws

1292
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:58,319
them in further and uh there's another

1293
00:55:54,180 --> 00:56:01,920
thing that I do uh that I didn't realize

1294
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:04,200
that it was a creepy moment uh until a

1295
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:08,099
player uh said this for a different

1296
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:10,339
thing but I said that a great opened

1297
00:56:08,099 --> 00:56:14,520
like a sewage great

1298
00:56:10,339 --> 00:56:17,579
silently like without there was no sound

1299
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,680
as he pulled open the great and he

1300
00:56:17,579 --> 00:56:21,480
immediately went oh no I do not like

1301
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,700
that because that means that a monster

1302
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,920
can get out and no one knows that it has

1303
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:28,339
left the sewer and that is terrifying

1304
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,079
and I just went oh that's good to know

1305
00:56:28,339 --> 00:56:32,819
yeah that's Well Creepy just the

1306
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:34,619
division the image of it is is weird

1307
00:56:32,819 --> 00:56:37,559
without any sound is is already

1308
00:56:34,619 --> 00:56:39,059
unsettling without any other context so

1309
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:41,400
I guess yeah the answer is there is

1310
00:56:39,059 --> 00:56:43,440
using all the absence of sound in this

1311
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,200
example you know to immerse the players

1312
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:48,420
to convey a certain feeling oh oh we

1313
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,619
jump straight to the Advanced tactics

1314
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:50,819
not just tell them what they're gonna

1315
00:56:49,619 --> 00:56:53,400
hear we've gone to tell them what they

1316
00:56:50,819 --> 00:56:54,960
can't hear I love it like just straight

1317
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,520
to the good stuff

1318
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,240
and then you can be like my friend

1319
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,400
Marcus who's just like the silence is

1320
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,780
silent

1321
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,000
we've oh come on we've all been we've

1322
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:07,319
all been there I've been at 11 o'clock

1323
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,460
when you when you're dming and you're

1324
00:57:07,319 --> 00:57:10,980
coming to the end of the session and

1325
00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:12,839
you're like running on like fumes at

1326
00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:17,040
that point and you've got to be like oh

1327
00:57:12,839 --> 00:57:19,800
and the the bar man is a man and he

1328
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,500
works at a bar and I'm like that's where

1329
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,900
we'll end the session because

1330
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:27,240
yeah I've been there I'm just I'm

1331
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:28,800
teasing him from afar because you

1332
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,859
literally just posted about the secret

1333
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:35,880
day or maybe today I don't know time

1334
00:57:31,859 --> 00:57:37,500
time well well talking of time we're

1335
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,980
almost at the end of the episode so

1336
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:42,000
someone's gotta keep clapping

1337
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:42,960
is is there anything you want to talk

1338
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,160
about that we might have missed I

1339
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,400
haven't got to yet

1340
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:50,099
I think that the only thing that

1341
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:53,579
was thinking about like

1342
00:57:50,099 --> 00:57:55,319
um this applies Less in online games but

1343
00:57:53,579 --> 00:57:57,960
physical objects

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so thinking about like handing your

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players a potion bottle that has the

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actual d4s in it uh things like that or

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a handwritten thing

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um someone that I love dearly does

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amazing beautiful work Alder doodle I

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don't know if you know uh off the top of

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my head Alder doodle she her pronouns

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they do these beautiful like Scrolls and

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00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,359
things like that like hand lettered

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00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:27,960
everything like that absolutely gorgeous

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and so one of the things that I do in my

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online games because obviously I can't

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send physical letters to people or

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things like that is I uh even just in

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canva canva.com you can create the uh

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the letters that people receive you can

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00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:48,960
create all manner of things I even did

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uh for a different module that I run I

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00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:54,059
did a there was a puzzle that I thought

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00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:56,880
was better if it was visual rather than

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described and so so I went into canva

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and I made the puzzle so that I could

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00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:05,579
just show it to them and it just adds so

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00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:08,160
much more to it because they look at it

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and they just go huh and it makes them

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sink a little bit more than if I just

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described it to them so having those

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00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:18,000
handouts even if it's digital uh and

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00:59:15,540 --> 00:59:21,140
you're playing online are amazing and

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:24,599
wonderful and I love them I wanted to

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00:59:21,140 --> 00:59:26,819
include a in probably several Legend of

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00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:28,440
Zelda games whereas ice and there's

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00:59:26,819 --> 00:59:30,540
sliding blocks and you have to slide the

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00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,859
blocks in a certain way without them

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00:59:30,540 --> 00:59:33,119
falling off the edge so like because

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00:59:31,859 --> 00:59:34,319
once you've started to push them they

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00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,640
keep going until they hit an object

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00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:37,319
right and if you don't push them in the

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00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,400
right north south east west they'll

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00:59:37,319 --> 00:59:40,200
stand off the edge of the map and it

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00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,420
will reset the puzzle so I was like

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00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,680
that's that's cool simple enough that

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00:59:42,420 --> 00:59:45,420
most people will be able to solve it so

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00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,400
it's not this weird like

1389
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:49,440
thesis level puzzle that nobody's going

1390
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,579
to get within four hours it's just

1391
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,799
something people can do at the table but

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00:59:50,579 --> 00:59:55,740
it's like a unique like there's no way I

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00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:58,140
can describe that in words like you need

1394
00:59:55,740 --> 01:00:00,119
to have it physically there anyway

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00:59:58,140 --> 01:00:01,500
um so that makes me think of just to go

1396
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:04,260
off on a slight tangent it makes me

1397
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:05,819
think of uh the video game missed did

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01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:07,020
you ever play that yeah yeah yeah I

1399
01:00:05,819 --> 01:00:08,460
remember buying like the complete

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01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:10,260
collection monster was probably way too

1401
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:12,180
young to really appreciate what it was

1402
01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:13,160
going for and was like this is just

1403
01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:16,980
weird

1404
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:19,980
I finished that game in I think six

1405
01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:23,720
hours and I was just like I I need more

1406
01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:28,020
because I love puzzles puzzles are just

1407
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:31,079
so good I love them so if puzzles are in

1408
01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:33,180
a game I am immersed there we go well

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01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:34,980
that's that's a perfect place to to end

1410
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:37,740
the episode on then

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01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:42,540
um is there anything you want to plug or

1412
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:45,359
promote uh well I am everywhere as La

1413
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:48,780
Leon cosplay uh you can find me on New

1414
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:50,400
nearly every social media as that I

1415
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:52,400
don't understand Mastodon though so

1416
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,799
don't talk to me there

1417
01:00:52,400 --> 01:01:00,119
let's see I am a pro GM on start playing

1418
01:00:55,799 --> 01:01:02,220
there I am only La Leon with two ends uh

1419
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:04,740
simply because I am not cosplaying when

1420
01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:06,960
I am running my pro games but I am

1421
01:01:04,740 --> 01:01:09,839
running games literally all the time it

1422
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:13,559
is one of my major jobs so please join

1423
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:14,579
me it's a fun time and as usual all the

1424
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:17,040
links will be down in the episode

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01:01:14,579 --> 01:01:19,500
description so I would encourage you all

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:22,260
to go and check them out all that's left

1427
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:24,839
to say is thank you ever so much Anya

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01:01:22,260 --> 01:01:26,579
this has been a lot of fun yeah

1429
01:01:24,839 --> 01:01:28,440
absolutely I had a blast chatting with

1430
01:01:26,579 --> 01:01:29,420
you I don't know where the time went I

1431
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,160
did

1432
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:34,559
yes it just it just vanished it just

1433
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:38,540
vaporized as did the rest of the day and

1434
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:38,540
the rest of the last five years uh

1435
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:44,280
um so yeah thank you ever so much Anya

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01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:48,240
thank you everyone for listening at home

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:50,040
as usual like comment subscribe I never

1438
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,140
never get I never get the Spiel down

1439
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,839
just go and do the thing

1440
01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:57,180
um it's very British of me just to be

1441
01:01:54,839 --> 01:01:59,819
like just go and do the thing out there

1442
01:01:57,180 --> 01:02:01,799
it is what it is uh but yes otherwise

1443
01:01:59,819 --> 01:02:04,079
thank you all for listening and good

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01:02:01,799 --> 01:02:06,000
night yeah bye

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01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,920
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01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,559
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01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:42,960
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01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,819
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01:02:47,819 --> 01:02:53,640
educated comments and thoughts and

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01:02:49,799 --> 01:02:55,260
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01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,619
d we have

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01:02:55,260 --> 01:03:00,059
what a guy Matthew Perkins who is just

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01:02:58,619 --> 01:03:02,160
out there in the world trying to make

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01:03:00,059 --> 01:03:05,579
you laugh so go and check him out at

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Matthew perkins.net or at hey it's Matty

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01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:12,079
m-a-t-t-y-p and good friend of the show

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01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:15,299
and one of my table mates Matthew Street

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01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:19,140
go and check out his partner's hustle at

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01:03:15,299 --> 01:03:21,619
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