Flavour

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welcome thinkers to season four episode

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three of thinking critically today's

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topic is

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flavor

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forever so with that bit of

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and today i'm joined by fruits from the

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home bakery thank you ever so much for

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joining us today fruits can you tell us

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a little bit about yourself hi thank you

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for having me i do sort of

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d homebrew stuff uh subclasses space

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expansions things like that

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and i'm mostly on twitter awesome thank

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you so much today's topic is

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flavor i almost forgot then the first

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time ever in like

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80 episodes is flavor so what does that

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mean to you in the d and wider ttrpg

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framework

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so for me it is sort of the stuff that

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gets you interested in wanting to play

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a certain thing

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i feel like you know like socials and

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warlocks

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become like baked in with

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so much

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stuff to use as backstory and you know

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bounce your creation from like creating

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your character yeah that's generally so

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like

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that sort of stuff is kind of the the

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flavor points for me

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props for um

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punning with baked in there yeah yeah

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about flavor so

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i'm gonna give you full credit even if

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it was just a mistake so

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okay that seems like a good place as any

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then and

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frankly something that actually escaped

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my notes was the flavor of the classes

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and it which is funny because i always

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use that's like my go-to word when i'm

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describing something

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yeah also goes quite hand in hand with

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spicy which i know is terminology weird

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yes more metaphors than

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i you know initially suspect anyway a

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first question then that comes to mind

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is as you said two permanent examples

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there of warlock and sorcerer are both

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being

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flavorful so they've got a lot just

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ingrained in in the subclasses that you

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know the subclasses have baggage yes

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you could put it versus like

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to a lesser extent like a fighter

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champion it's just well i'm just really

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good at being a fire there's less

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baggage behind it yeah now i'm fairly

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certain from any

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statistics i've seen that warlocks are

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usually one of the top picks top five if

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not even top three podium picks for

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favorite classes they're just very good

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oh yes yeah i mean mechanically their

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sound

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whereas sorcerers are

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not for various reasons um you know

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they're like lame wizards people think

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of them you know they've got very

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curtailed spell lists blah blah blah but

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so it's interesting there that

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just as a thought exercise that clearly

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it's not the flavor that is it's

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definitely not the flavor that's lacking

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honestly it's kind of

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it's kind of why i don't play wizards

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that much is because the flavor there

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isn't very strong

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i've played a fair amount of sorcerers

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even though you're right they are kind

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not as good wizards

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that's just what i've heard you know i

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don't don't don't get the pitch box out

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for me listeners like that's just uh

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no like metamagic is is phenomenal but

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you run out of those uh sorcery points

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really quickly

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mm-hmm

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yeah but yeah having like a lineage that

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like goes back to like an ancient dragon

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or something

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or you know like the new aberrant mind

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sorcerer like

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there's so much stuff that you can do

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with that

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yeah yeah i see what you mean but see

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now i was gonna say like my main

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character i'm playing at the moment is a

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wizard so immediately i've i'm offended

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but now you know when i think about it

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yeah i am

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playing him a bit tropey you know like

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i'm clever if you had to describe him

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too there's nothing wrong with that but

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i feel like as well

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playing a wizard you have to put a lot

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more of the leg work in to make it sort

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of unique and exciting for yourself

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yeah

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rather than just like another gandalf

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yeah exactly whereas yeah with like

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warlocks or sorceress it's like yeah now

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i want to

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breathe fire or

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i i want to have like a

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pact with an ancient fae and all of that

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baggage that comes with it

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yeah i must admit i did look at a couple

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of the

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i think you know i think this is

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something that actually sorcerers have

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over warlocks so a lot of the warlock

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patrons are

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they're almost not setting agnostic

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they're almost like you know campaign

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specific in a way in that in that

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there's a lot there's so much baggage

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there there's a lot on the dm to have to

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kind of world build in so like there

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really is yeah

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my warlock players picked hex blade and

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it's raven queen and so then there's

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like okay well i guess now i've kind of

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have to have the shadowfell i have to

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have the raven queen in which is i'm

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making it sound like a

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like a a job but it isn't it but that

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there is just that extra okay well now

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there's a great old one

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what does that how does that impact

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the sorcerer subclasses or origins to

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use the correct terminology are

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just as flavorful

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but if memory serves a bit more setting

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agnostic so it's just like like

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clockwork soul it's just like oh i think

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that even the wording is is deliberately

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ambiguous except for that one it's like

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something you you found a trinket from

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mechanism and that's it or maybe your

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dad went there once

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50 years ago by accident yeah and that's

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it and there's just so much

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flavor there that you could you could

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have mechanism or if you're in a setting

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that doesn't you could have something

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else or you know avoid where that should

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be it's it's it does just seem a little

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bit yeah

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we had a um

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a really interesting um

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situation in one of my sunday games

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where uh

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we had a artillery artificer who is now

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just fully class swapped to clockwork

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sorcerer

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um and that

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the arcane weave itself and saw like the

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mechanics of it

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and sort of took that on board and

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that's then how he got imbued with like

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sorcery

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and yeah it's it's really fun

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just the sort of

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ways you can spin it yeah yeah i want to

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i want to um offer a uh

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a counter point to that one for the for

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the clockwork so when i saw where i

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played in one shot

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and i think his backstory was like

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literally it was like reading the

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fluffer mechanism modrons it's something

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like once every millennia the moderns go

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on a big like pilgrimage around the

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different planes just to like make sure

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everything's still where it should be

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and just like walking down the street

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there'll be all these

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the the triangles and the squares and

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the circles just like storming around

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every millennials like the great

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pilgrimage or something it's called a

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car member

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and his backstory was that like he was

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born or conceived when when that was

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happening and that was enough just to

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just to have that wisp of

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of the mechanism

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and so his whole thing was like i am

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just

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confused and scared and like oh

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like i've got a guy standing next to me

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who is like

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channeling divine energy but it's like

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not petrified about it whereas i can

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shoot fire and i'm like scared to [ __ ]

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out me

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which i think is a fair point to be

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honest when you are born with magic to

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have that sort of reaction mm-hmm

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yeah yeah no i i i if i was to have a

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serious sorcerer and a longer-term

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campaign i would very much yeah work

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with that

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idea of

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this is inherently scary until i've

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found out what's going on i'm going to

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be wary of this

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because i think that's a bit of an

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interesting foil there for for character

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development and character growth but

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the case in point being we've had we've

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just talked about two different

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completely different origins

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for the same sorceress origin and it'd

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still be

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the same you know mechanically whereas

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and then maybe i'm doing a disservice

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but like the great old one for example

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that always has to be a great old one

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yeah which is true

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99 times out of 100 is probably going to

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take

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the same

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lovecraftian form yeah most of them are

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cathedral

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yeah exactly like

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its end goals might change even though

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they're all inherently unknowable so

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does that really matter if they change i

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guess not but like

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yes there's there's room there but it i

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would say narrower than

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yeah what something provides you which

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is funny then that everybody loves

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warlock so much when

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it i guess it just goes to show that

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everybody loves everybody's a mid max

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are at heart boom i'm gonna everyone

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really wants once that outfit

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yep yeah there we go now i've set myself

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up to be uh it's okay you know we've got

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it on record you hate sorcerers and uh

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reluctant axes

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that's uh that's the quote of the

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episode down the line says danilo

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decrees everybody plays a warlock so

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wouldn't min max yeah i could see the

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hate now

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from the community

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um

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but no so what in your opinion then are

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some some classes that i did reference

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on earlier on but some classes or even

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subclasses that are perhaps

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less flavorful so the ones that come to

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mind for me

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they're not specific classes although

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friday in general i feel like you have

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to put

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a lot more work in

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but

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a couple of the new psionics from me

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one's the soul knife and the side

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warrior

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unless you're playing like a gift yankee

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or a gift sorry guess you're right yes

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those

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the the flavor text doesn't really give

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you that much other than

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oh maybe you you went and studied

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psychic powers and it's

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yeah which is a shame because they're

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both really

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fun looking mechanically yeah it's just

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it puts a lot on you to then think about

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um so i was a fighter and i just did

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like swords and shields but now i have

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telekinesis

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yeah i i totally agree the image of the

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with the rogue with like the two purple

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daggers yeah it's

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dope that's sick like who who wouldn't

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want to summon your purple eldritch

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daggers out of your hands your psychic

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daggers and be like these are gonna hurt

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you exactly i'm just pr throwing my

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sheer willpower alone is sick but then

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because their class those subclasses are

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kind of in

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isolation i guess a little bit they're

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very stand out it's it's i guess it's

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hard to kind of

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build in

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all this psychic

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baggage yeah unless you're starting at

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level three

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it's

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i think yeah you definitely have to set

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the groundworks of

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picking that subclass

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you know if you're playing like a very

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narrative heavy

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game because it's just

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oh yeah now i woke up and i i can move

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things with my mind it's a little

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which is interesting when you when you

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put when you juxtapose that next to what

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we were just talking about the sorcerer

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and being scared of your own powers

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fighters being very

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not mechanical in the meta sense but

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mechanically in universe in that they

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are you know they are very martially

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trained they're very pragmatic very

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material in a sense you know materially

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yeah based

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to them wake up the next day and be like

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i can move things from my brain that

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would be

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that would be wild you would you'd be

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freaking out if you just spent your last

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30 years training how to

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sword on board

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and then the next day be like oh i guess

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i can

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shoot laser beams from my brain now

370
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it's not

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like i'm not ready to go adventuring

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kind of

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yeah i think it's also as well one of

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those things of

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especially with um certain class like

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because they get their subclasses later

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on and everything whereas sorcerer's

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sources and warlocks actually um both

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get those from level one clerics as well

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which i would say are also very sort of

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at least for the most part usually very

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like

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flavor heavy

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picks

385
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yeah so yeah it can be really difficult

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when you get to that third level when

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it's like well i want to do this and

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it's really wild and

389
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how do i

390
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put those two together

391
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yeah

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i'm just trying to think about my how my

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campaign has gone with my players and

394
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whether there's been any pitfalls or

395
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mistakes or lessons to be learned from

396
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what they've done and we did start with

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at level one because they were all

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many of them were new players and those

399
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that weren't were more than happy to

400
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join them on that journey and start from

401
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level one rather than jump into three or

402
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five or something

403
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but no i don't i

404
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what do we have druid sorcerer funnily

405
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enough rogue who i know is at level

406
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three right for their subclass but

407
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he at least looked ahead

408
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and

409
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pre-built in he he actually did quite a

410
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lot of heavy lifting in his backstory

411
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there to make him an assassin before

412
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hitting the assassin at level three so

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that

414
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wasn't too much of a a leap of logic

415
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there that didn't ding and also ones

416
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like assassin and thief they kind of

417
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just

418
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roll straight into like

419
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you're already a rogue it makes sense to

420
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then specialize in

421
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killing very good or stealing very good

422
00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:52,480
what's your speciality killing but like

423
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really really good at it

424
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what's your

425
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what's your favorite then i am going to

426
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put you on the spot now i've put i've

427
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put my name down i've put you know

428
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what's your what's your favorite

429
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subclass then and i'll be kind and allow

430
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you to have two picks based on two

431
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different metrics

432
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two different standards

433
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okay

434
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the one i go back to a lot is definitely

435
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the archway

436
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warlock okay

437
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and that's just because i find archway

438
00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:26,399
and fey in general very fun and it gives

439
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you a massive excuse to sort of build

440
00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:32,240
out this section of like feywild and um

441
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failure and things like that which can

442
00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:37,199
be really fun

443
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i also say do you feel like the archway

444
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warlock

445
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gets away with a lot flavor-wise because

446
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it's

447
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archway

448
00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:48,000
has definitely beguard me from further

449
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scrutiny

450
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um

451
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and

452
00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,920
if if that's a clear number one you

453
00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:58,560
don't you don't have to we don't have to

454
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you know scrounge for second place yeah

455
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if it's always if it's always archery

456
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then then so be it

457
00:16:02,079 --> 00:16:06,959
yeah no i think actually just just kind

458
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of win for me at least

459
00:16:06,959 --> 00:16:11,120
um

460
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though yeah they are also definitely one

461
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of those ones that

462
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because it's so broad i have come back

463
00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:23,480
to a lot homebrew wise to

464
00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,480
make more nishinisha

465
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warlock subclasses

466
00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,920
okay so tell me a little bit about that

467
00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:32,639
and then they are they

468
00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:36,560
still ostensibly archfay or are they

469
00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:40,000
they're still archway it's just archfay

470
00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:42,240
encapsulates quite a lot so um

471
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,839
the actual subclass itself is you know

472
00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,959
does a very sort of

473
00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:50,480
generic look at faye in terms of

474
00:16:46,959 --> 00:16:51,440
you know charming and nature and stuff

475
00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,600
um

476
00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,800
but you've got all these other areas of

477
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fae

478
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like

479
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the different courts and things like

480
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that to look at

481
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and

482
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you can just you

483
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depending on the world your dm might

484
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:10,160
have like just really specific archway

485
00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,720
in

486
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my sending game i'm at the moment i'm

487
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playing an archery warlock but

488
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with plans on switching later on to

489
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the lunar hump patron

490
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okay because

491
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uh my warlocks patron is

492
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like lord of beasts and

493
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a lot of hunt and things like that

494
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and i was just like yeah i just really

495
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want to go really specific into that

496
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rather than

497
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sort of the charm and deception that

498
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they're usually associated with

499
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indeed yeah okay okay yeah so clearly

500
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yeah archway is your

501
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your most favorite by country mile i

502
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think it's fair to say yeah

503
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how about you yeah yeah no i'm just

504
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trying to think um

505
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so the reason i would i i tend to always

506
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you know people always ask me god i

507
00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:04,960
sound like i'm a public figure

508
00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:06,160
people i meet tend to ask me when we're

509
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talking about video games and stuff they

510
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,559
sell what's your favorite video game and

511
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i always make the answer very more much

512
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more complicated than it needs to be

513
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because i always usually judge them by

514
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two different metrics one you know a set

515
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of games that i personally enjoy

516
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and then two games which i think are

517
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very mechanically sound and they're very

518
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well designed and just good

519
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like almost objectively good

520
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video games as a piece of media and so

521
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i'm trying to apply that reasoning to

522
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d d

523
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and

524
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warlock's been taken that's fine because

525
00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:43,799
i'm not too hot on those anyway

526
00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:43,799
i know they're all a bunch of mid-maxes

527
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,559
download voyage2022

528
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to cite your source

529
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um

530
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gosh uh

531
00:18:53,679 --> 00:18:57,919
it's easier for me to say about things i

532
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,799
don't i'm not too invested in the flavor

533
00:18:57,919 --> 00:18:59,600
of

534
00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:01,120
like

535
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not to alienate

536
00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:06,160
50 of my audience or anything but monks

537
00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:07,679
i just not i i played

538
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the the only subclass i played for a

539
00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:11,919
monk is drunk and master because

540
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it just

541
00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:16,799
i just can't not pick

542
00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:18,640
a subclass of his channel's you know

543
00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:20,080
jackie chan energy

544
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,400
why would you ever pick a different sub

545
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,400
glass

546
00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:26,400
so all the rest had

547
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,640
not really

548
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,559
taken any of any of my boxes

549
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,360
monk is definitely one of those ones for

550
00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:35,760
me where i i really enjoy it mechanics

551
00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:37,840
wise and i played a lot of monks

552
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,240
i kind of have to abstract it from all

553
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,360
of the flavor text

554
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,640
completely to get on with it um yeah

555
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:47,200
i've heard that a lot i've had a lot of

556
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,360
people say something similar and that

557
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,840
there's a big of a stretch between the

558
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flavor text and what happens in game

559
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,480
with monks than there are other

560
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classes

561
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,679
um

562
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,840
not sure why that is i think it is just

563
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because of how weirdly niche a lot of

564
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,640
them

565
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are and

566
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,840
makes things very specific and then and

567
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,760
this kind of preconceived notions of

568
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,200
what monks are it makes it difficult for

569
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,200
people to really put their own stamp on

570
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it without without taking that step away

571
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,120
from

572
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,760
yeah flavor text dictates

573
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:22,240
okay let me let me put my money where my

574
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,159
mouth is and

575
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,200
i think overall having not really played

576
00:20:24,159 --> 00:20:28,000
that many

577
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:30,000
i think a bard is probably

578
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,440
one of my favorite

579
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,360
flavors

580
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,640
because

581
00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,480
again i just think with all the extra

582
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,919
subclasses now i just think there's so

583
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,080
much

584
00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:42,000
so much variety there that you can take

585
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,120
as much or as little as that flavor text

586
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,240
as you want

587
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,720
and

588
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,480
spin it into something completely

589
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,960
unique for you

590
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,640
so you've got some like

591
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,520
softer touch ones like

592
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,039
creation i think college of creation or

593
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,559
whatever it is that's like

594
00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:01,039
you can

595
00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:03,280
see into the weave and make new things

596
00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:05,600
and that's it really there's you know

597
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,400
there's only so much you can say about

598
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,320
that

599
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,760
and then you have other

600
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,919
colleges of

601
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,840
shadows and

602
00:21:11,919 --> 00:21:16,159
uh glamour and stuff like that which are

603
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,320
again there's just you can go every so

604
00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:19,919
many different routes yeah yeah and then

605
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,080
you could take them and again another

606
00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:24,640
level deeper and go you know what kind

607
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,320
of glamour of you what kind of eloquence

608
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,400
are you are you a public speaker or are

609
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,440
you like a rapper for example like

610
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,360
that's

611
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,760
that's off the top of my head so i think

612
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:35,440
i really love bards for that

613
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,159
flexibility

614
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,200
now mechanically

615
00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:40,880
i would say

616
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,559
because of how kind of tricky they can

617
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,440
be the kind of jack-of-all-trades master

618
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:47,200
of none squishy

619
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,960
and in some subclasses you have to spec

620
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,159
quite heavily into a certain play style

621
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,320
to really

622
00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:53,679
get the benefit from

623
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,730
i'm not

624
00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:57,600
too keen on that um

625
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:58,640
[Music]

626
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,720
but

627
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:05,039
otherwise i i love the sim the elegance

628
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,200
of barbarians

629
00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:08,640
hopefully that's not two words that you

630
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,880
know elegant and barbarian that people

631
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,520
often hear together but i really i truly

632
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,880
think it's just so

633
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,120
that's my that

634
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,120
a barbarian it's like my comfort class

635
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,400
like it's my i'm going to turn my brain

636
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:22,159
off and just

637
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,760
have fun and not have to worry about

638
00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:25,200
spell slots and not have to worry about

639
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,360
being squishy and not have to worry

640
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,120
about uh

641
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,960
positioning or

642
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:34,159
you could just run in there

643
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,880
yeah and it's it's fun and the stakes

644
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:36,799
are

645
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,320
lower if you want them to be and stuff

646
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,240
like that whereas with my wizard for

647
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,440
example who's one of the reasons why i

648
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,039
picked them because of the polar

649
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,200
opposite

650
00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:46,960
it's very much like no he's the most

651
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,480
intelligent so he

652
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,320
has to think about things and has to try

653
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,520
and solve puzzles and riddles and think

654
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,360
about the

655
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,520
plan of action and

656
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,559
is a bit mentally draining sometimes so

657
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,159
uh

658
00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,400
there you go the two b's bad and

659
00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:03,120
barbarian then if i was to put one for

660
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,280
flavor and one for mechanics

661
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:07,600
i see those are very good picks i

662
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,280
completely forgot about that until you

663
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,520
brought it up and i'm like oh no i think

664
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,799
you're onto something there

665
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,480
[Laughter]

666
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,919
if i had like all the time in the world

667
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,880
and all the games in the world i would

668
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:20,320
love to try i would make one of each

669
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,320
college

670
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,520
just to yeah just to really explore that

671
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,200
class

672
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:29,440
and what it can be both mechanically and

673
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,520
from a position of role play

674
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,840
purely because of the

675
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,679
of all that all the juice that's there

676
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,159
um i did have an idea once i was going

677
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:39,039
to have in my campaign

678
00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:42,080
um

679
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:44,080
i was going to have a bard school

680
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,919
which was kind of set up

681
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,000
where there was a there was like a house

682
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:51,840
for each of the colleges there

683
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:54,240
apart from is it shadows uh whispers

684
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,960
whispers thank you um

685
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,720
apart from whispers because there

686
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,080
when you kind of

687
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520
picked your

688
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,760
what is it your major as they call it

689
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,840
over over the seas um when you pick your

690
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,840
major and whispers you don't get

691
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,799
allocated you you get allocate like a

692
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,679
fake

693
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:12,880
school as fake college to to go into so

694
00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:15,520
like there would just be all these

695
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,799
college of whispers bards seeded around

696
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,440
all the other ones

697
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:20,960
and i just i like i just love that idea

698
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,480
that's actually that's a really fun

699
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,919
concept

700
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,760
yes you'd go into the glamour and

701
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:27,520
there'd be like all these people

702
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,240
practicing their stage presence and then

703
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,760
they they're you know commanding

704
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,960
eloquence and all this other kind of

705
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,840
stuff and then

706
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,360
maybe

707
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,679
you don't know some maybe some of them

708
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:39,520
are whispers and maybe their their you

709
00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:41,360
know criteria to pass their college

710
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,360
degree is they

711
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,640
can pass the other college degree up

712
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,320
until you know they're marking the

713
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,799
scores and if they can get that far and

714
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,640
no one rumbles them

715
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:52,720
they they pass

716
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,679
uh so yeah that's that's that's all just

717
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,039
one

718
00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:57,919
this you know

719
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,440
i just spun that out of uh of the bardic

720
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:02,159
school before which is a little bit more

721
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,320
context about why i like that one

722
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:06,559
yeah that's a really cool idea

723
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,880
i'd also like to pose um because it just

724
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:12,840
sort of occurred to me

725
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,799
barbarians are kind of the sorcerers of

726
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,840
marshalls oh

727
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:20,159
hello hot hot take a lot

728
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,039
it's just it just sort of it's you sort

729
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:22,799
of

730
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:25,440
talking about them

731
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:27,600
and yeah

732
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,400
um and i've also realized and saying

733
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,520
that

734
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:35,279
the way i kind of play monks is kind of

735
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,640
uh similar at least to warlocks

736
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:39,520
which makes sense they get everything

737
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,520
back on a short rest yeah as well

738
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,679
but i know i've had a lot of my concepts

739
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,760
for monks and stuff have been very much

740
00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:47,919
a yeah

741
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,919
i found something weird and that has

742
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:51,360
helped them channel

743
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:54,080
their like

744
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,279
life energy to do these cool stuff

745
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,919
you're gonna have to you're gonna have

746
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:59,520
to elaborate on the barbarian as

747
00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:01,200
marshall sorcerer is come on give me a

748
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,960
little bit more i can't i can't let you

749
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,360
get away

750
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,360
um well unlike wizards they don't have

751
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,240
to they didn't really have to work for

752
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,480
the

753
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,799
martial prowess they are just

754
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,559
naturally bigger and bulkier and better

755
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:16,720
than everyone else

756
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:20,320
yeah that's true they're all about doing

757
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:23,120
sort of big lots of damage in one go

758
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,960
and also just a lot of the um origins

759
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,720
kind of

760
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,000
mesh into each other

761
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,320
quite well you've got like the storm

762
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,960
herald on the storm sorcerer

763
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:37,440
you've got the

764
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:40,480
wild soul is it the new magic barbarian

765
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,640
oh yeah yeah um and then you've got the

766
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,320
wild magic sorcerer yeah it's literally

767
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,320
called wild magic that's literally just

768
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,039
like an angry sorcerer that's just like

769
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,279
a

770
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,570
it's like a gym head sorcerer

771
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,440
yeah

772
00:26:49,570 --> 00:26:52,799
[Laughter]

773
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,799
yeah i don't know why but for some

774
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:58,080
reason as well when barbarians get weird

775
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:58,700
magic stuff it makes more sense

776
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,400
as well

777
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,919
[Laughter]

778
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,360
yeah i'm just looking at the wild magic

779
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:04,960
now yep

780
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,480
yeah i do like

781
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,159
looking at that subclass list now

782
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,679
they've got zealot in there which is a

783
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:11,679
little bit paladin

784
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:13,520
you got a little smite light on there i

785
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:15,679
think one of them was a beast where you

786
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,120
can take on the totem where you can take

787
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:19,440
on the features of a

788
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:20,559
of a creature which is a little bit

789
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,559
druidy

790
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,919
that's i've only just realized now how

791
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,520
many

792
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:27,600
how much of those

793
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,679
little snapshots of flavors from other

794
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,960
primary classes it's quite a neat little

795
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:31,840
touch now i'm thinking about it's not

796
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,360
the first time i've ever looked at it

797
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,520
despite having played on to like level

798
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,360
13 before but yeah

799
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,679
good good catch i should think

800
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:41,200
barbarians as well uh

801
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:42,159
i know i feel like there's a lot that

802
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,159
you can

803
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:47,279
riff with

804
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:49,919
when it comes to their subclasses

805
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:51,600
because in a simpler way like sorcerers

806
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:53,840
it's sort of just

807
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,600
kind of innate

808
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,120
like um

809
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,200
i've done

810
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,640
the stormherald one

811
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,320
that's one of those ones that flavor

812
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,720
wise like i saw that and i was like i

813
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,039
have to play one of those at some point

814
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,799
i don't know there's nothing cooler i

815
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,559
feel like than

816
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,919
going into a rage and summoning

817
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:14,480
lightning down

818
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:16,399
yeah just

819
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,760
looking at the uh

820
00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:19,520
the wording now

821
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,159
barons you follow the path of the storm

822
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:25,760
herald learn to transform that rage into

823
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:27,440
a mantle of primal magic yeah that is

824
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,880
where do i sign

825
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,200
yeah exactly

826
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,880
yeah i ended up playing one of those as

827
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:37,039
like um in a tadourie campaign

828
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,720
and they were part of uh one of the

829
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,240
ashari groups

830
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,840
and it was just like hey you seem to

831
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,520
have like a natural affinity or magic

832
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,080
why don't you do

833
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,919
i go on an aramente and it's

834
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,440
and they're like yeah i'm not really

835
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:53,279
good at magic though it's just

836
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,890
it's just specifically summoning a

837
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:59,209
lightning

838
00:28:55,890 --> 00:28:59,209
[Music]

839
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,399
[Music]

840
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,840
i wanted to

841
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:09,200
talk a little bit about we've talked a

842
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,640
lot about the classes the flavor of the

843
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,080
different classes and subclasses and

844
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,080
we've alluded to it a couple of times

845
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,559
about how that impacts

846
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,679
the wider setting which is obviously a

847
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,880
bit of a

848
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:20,880
bigger deal than like a completely

849
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320
homebrew setting where

850
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,919
the gym and the players can work

851
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,039
together to build them in ways that make

852
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:27,840
sense

853
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:30,640
i wanted to ask how do those things and

854
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,360
the wider question impact the flavor of

855
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,720
a campaign like what would you

856
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,000
what kind of campaigns have you played

857
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,039
and what was the flavor of those

858
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,480
campaigns being and have you found that

859
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:43,360
some of these more

860
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,360
tasty subclasses have impacted

861
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,600
the vibe of that campaign

862
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,240
a lot of the campaigns they've been a

863
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,399
general sort of kitchen sink

864
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,600
uh fantasy

865
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:58,960
um for the most part but

866
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,480
yeah our sunday game is sort of set in

867
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,640
or at least aesthetically certain

868
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,120
regency era which has definitely

869
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,279
impacted our choices

870
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,840
a lot of us have uh

871
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,039
ended up being even if we're not like

872
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,600
marshall

873
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:16,480
somewhat dexterous because most of us

874
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,240
don't have armor on a lot of the time

875
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,039
oh that you've reminded me that's why i

876
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,840
love

877
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,799
uh

878
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,880
actually a reason why i do like monks is

879
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:27,440
not needing weapons or armor yeah you

880
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,440
can just sort of go in a wreck shop

881
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,960
yeah and also for barbarians you don't

882
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,960
need armor so both of those i just love

883
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,880
being like any loot that isn't you know

884
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,039
weapons armor don't care don't need them

885
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,240
weapons and armor a crutch

886
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,679
moving on

887
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,600
sorry to interrupt but you just reminded

888
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:43,120
me yeah no that's fair when i was an

889
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,600
arrogant monk and told everyone that

890
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,880
they were using crutches for

891
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,440
using

892
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,440
weapons and armor

893
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,360
i think honestly the one that comes up

894
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,360
more when

895
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,279
trying to fit things into a specific

896
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,080
campaign is

897
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:01,919
race choices and the flavor that's tied

898
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440
into those

899
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:05,600
i know a lot of

900
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,200
gm's who will just sort of

901
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,320
you know like war forge and things like

902
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,159
that there's just a certain point where

903
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,279
there's just like no i can't i don't

904
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:14,320
want to work that into my world

905
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,760
i i

906
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,120
personally think

907
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,399
i know there's a school of thought out

908
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,640
there that's like

909
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:21,840
you should just let that happen and work

910
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760
with the players and this that and the

911
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,480
other but not everybody has

912
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,799
the time or indeed the players to be

913
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,760
willing yeah exactly to do that

914
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,600
i

915
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,480
was in that situation one of the new

916
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,440
players

917
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,360
said i want to play this war forged and

918
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,120
i'd be lying if

919
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,360
i said there weren't times when i

920
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,039
regretted allowing that to happen just

921
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,200
because of the

922
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:47,279
implications to the world

923
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,640
um and like

924
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,519
if if the rest of the player characters

925
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,279
have been walking around with the

926
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,360
warforged you can't bring in a warforged

927
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,519
or even just a you know a non-sentient

928
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,039
automaton without the dynamic changing

929
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:59,679
quite substantially

930
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:01,679
yeah um so there is yeah i can i can

931
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:04,159
totally see how that works both ways if

932
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:06,320
given given enough time and a

933
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:08,080
a collaborative player then yeah

934
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,919
absolutely you can

935
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,840
work and workshop and homebrew to your

936
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:14,240
heart's content and and answer those

937
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,320
questions of what does this imply to the

938
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,799
world but if it's like

939
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,120
here's the setting we're playing in and

940
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:22,960
bringing in it this like minotaurs for

941
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,720
example l'occidons are just going to

942
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:29,760
completely upend the economy and

943
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,760
everything yeah i haven't come across

944
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,960
many players at least for games that

945
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,840
i've ran

946
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,080
that want to play those sort of races

947
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,640
and not say that i don't

948
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,880
if you want to play you know a big cool

949
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,240
elephant person that's fine i just i

950
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:49,039
find it so hard to wrap my head around

951
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,440
just wandering around the world yeah and

952
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,640
i don't know why that is

953
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,799
there's different strokes for different

954
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,039
folks yeah like one of my

955
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,399
one of my players is an older player and

956
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,399
he's played a lot of earlier editions

957
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:01,440
and whatnot and he uh is very much on

958
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:03,120
the

959
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,320
side of more

960
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,360
typical

961
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,360
like his

962
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,000
fantasy is more typical fantasy stuff

963
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,120
and i'm catering for my players in my

964
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,960
campaign and we're currently in a

965
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,159
chapter that is more whimsical than it

966
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,159
is fantasy so they're at like an a total

967
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:20,000
island settlement that's like super

968
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:22,240
chill and there's like a surfing

969
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,799
competition and a fishing competition

970
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,519
and it's all very you know like golden

971
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,360
sands and nice little in it and he's

972
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:31,519
like yeah but where am i where's my

973
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,360
dungeons to crawl where's my locks to

974
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:35,360
pick where am i mix the smash so he's

975
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,880
i've said to him like don't worry

976
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,559
there's some future chapters that are a

977
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,679
bit more like that if you're right to

978
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,039
you know

979
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:43,200
kind of grin and bear it to a certain

980
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,559
extent and it's just obviously i'm very

981
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,240
lucky because he's like yeah that's fine

982
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:48,080
that's cool i just i wouldn't play a

983
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,799
whole campaign like this well thank you

984
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,039
for

985
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:53,200
joining us for these five associations

986
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:55,440
that that very much aren't sword and

987
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,799
sorcery but that is just what it is like

988
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,960
different strokes of different folks and

989
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:01,200
yeah that's totally okay and

990
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,200
what i'm getting is to have a total

991
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,080
settlement that's all like cowabunga

992
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,240
dude and surfing and isn't going to fit

993
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,079
in every setting yeah no absolutely and

994
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:12,320
to him it's it's

995
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:15,839
like it isn't d anymore to him it isn't

996
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,599
even you know fantasy ttrpg it's this

997
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:18,839
weird thing that dan loves put together

998
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,989
in a fever

999
00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:23,440
dream which is partially correct

1000
00:34:21,989 --> 00:34:26,159
[Laughter]

1001
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,119
so yeah that's that's that's totally

1002
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,040
understood like there is there's always

1003
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:33,040
an impact to the the flavor

1004
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,200
of a campaign

1005
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,159
i had some

1006
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,079
thoughts around now we can't talk about

1007
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,839
flavor without talking about it's

1008
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:44,320
literal interpretation this is this is

1009
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:47,280
my little behind the screens

1010
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,639
sneaky peak at my podcast production is

1011
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,839
getting the dictionary definition for

1012
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,839
the topic

1013
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:53,839
to really ruin the illusion for all my

1014
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:55,839
listeners at home uh

1015
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:57,520
is

1016
00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:59,520
which provides more material than i'd

1017
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,720
care to admit but for today's topic i

1018
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,599
wanted to talk about a little bit more

1019
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,599
about

1020
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,480
having food and drink

1021
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,839
in

1022
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,880
your games

1023
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:10,560
so how are those kind of

1024
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,119
typically mundane

1025
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,400
like business as usual daily

1026
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:18,160
things run in in your games honestly

1027
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,640
it's something that i've been trying to

1028
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,880
focus on that a little bit more uh the

1029
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,200
current game that i'm running is

1030
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,520
there's not really any sort of form of

1031
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,560
civilization for the players to interact

1032
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,599
with

1033
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,680
but i have been really trying to sort of

1034
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,000
focus them on more of like a like

1035
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,240
survival stuff

1036
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,119
and uh sort of where like food and

1037
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:44,000
rations and stuff like that come into it

1038
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:46,320
i know one of our players is taken to

1039
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,119
really trying to make pancakes out of

1040
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,119
their rations

1041
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:55,680
and how did that turn out

1042
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,680
so far so far not so great um okay

1043
00:35:55,839 --> 00:36:00,480
so far yeah

1044
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,640
considering yeah we all agreed that like

1045
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,200
the russians were sort of like

1046
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,200
hard tech and things like that um

1047
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960
she'd just be the joker yeah exactly

1048
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,839
she's not really got the best basis to

1049
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,280
work

1050
00:36:10,839 --> 00:36:15,200
with gonna it's gonna be like a tick

1051
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,880
tock video where it's they they try the

1052
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,400
really weird food combinations now it's

1053
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,000
all i've got in my head of like out in

1054
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,960
the field this this character being like

1055
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:27,040
hey guys i've prepared omelets for us

1056
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,280
and it is literally just like melted

1057
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:33,040
with with chunks of beef jerky floating

1058
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:35,200
around in it like barely warm oh no

1059
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,720
but yeah um it's definitely then because

1060
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,760
of that like

1061
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:41,520
i want to have this sort of like uh

1062
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,000
fanciful foods and things like that come

1063
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,599
up later on is sort of like it was more

1064
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,440
of a reward

1065
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,720
because we have literally just they've

1066
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,880
been fishing and scavenging

1067
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:54,560
yeah the living the true adventure is

1068
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,599
life exactly

1069
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,880
no uh no good berries then to spoil that

1070
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:03,520
survival no we have a cleric but i don't

1071
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,240
think they've realized they have

1072
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,000
create food and water okay

1073
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,200
so you know when that comes up it will

1074
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,359
come up and

1075
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,200
hopefully they will be sorted but until

1076
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:14,800
then

1077
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,040
you're happy to keep that yeah that

1078
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,640
one's done for the time being

1079
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,280
they can figure it out it's the same

1080
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,839
with um they've been dealing with um

1081
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,160
they haven't done a lot of like

1082
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:28,320
analysis over like the monsters they've

1083
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,640
been fighting but like a lot of those

1084
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,079
are undead

1085
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,560
which if any of these players are

1086
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:37,520
listening they're not undead do not

1087
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:40,160
do not worry um

1088
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,839
it's just a joke it's just a joke yeah

1089
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,000
and you know we have a cleric who has

1090
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:46,960
like detect good and evil and

1091
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,720
undead and undead yeah vaporize undead

1092
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,640
yeah yeah

1093
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,960
and i'm just like at some point at some

1094
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,160
point they have to test it really

1095
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,000
surely at some point yeah that's uh

1096
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,359
that's so funny because

1097
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,359
one of many players your older character

1098
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:03,599
is roller paladin and he is dropping

1099
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:05,040
like detect good and evil

1100
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,400
left right and center at surfing

1101
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,400
competition he's like is that surfboard

1102
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,599
evil and i'm not

1103
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,580
doesn't doesn't really work like that

1104
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,480
and also no

1105
00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:14,320
[Laughter]

1106
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,119
yeah it's so funny to me that yours is

1107
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,880
like

1108
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:18,960
that just doesn't use it at any given

1109
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,200
opportunity no to be fair though this is

1110
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:25,839
the same cleric um that has befriended a

1111
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,720
vampire elephant so

1112
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:31,760
yep notoriously friend friendly yeah

1113
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:34,480
yeah notoriously friendship to be fair

1114
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,960
i had put them as an npc that they could

1115
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,040
make friends with so it was not

1116
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,680
a complete

1117
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,680
completely terrible decision um

1118
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,280
i look forward to seeing how that turns

1119
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,839
out you have to keep me in the loop for

1120
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,839
that one

1121
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,599
do you have any or have you had any in

1122
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,040
your games that you've played in there

1123
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,320
any

1124
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,680
quite modern

1125
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,920
food or modern

1126
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,240
metaphors or

1127
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,480
trophy foods like have you bought in

1128
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:04,880
like i'm just trying to think of

1129
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,119
an equivalent that is very

1130
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,880
new age that would never have been seen

1131
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:12,160
in the fantasy world

1132
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,000
yes and i think that's just a lot of

1133
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,240
people just want something that they can

1134
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,280
sort of get their head around mm-hmm

1135
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:22,560
relate to yeah uh it's it's a lot easier

1136
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:25,599
to say oh yeah no this um

1137
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:28,160
this food stand's got like hot dogs or

1138
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,200
burritos or something than trying to

1139
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,200
look up

1140
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,240
medieval fair food

1141
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,560
yeah

1142
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:37,119
yeah i see that that is me all over i

1143
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,040
very much like using modern

1144
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,480
tropes yeah but

1145
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,440
even just having

1146
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,760
like hot dogs would i i could i can see

1147
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,200
crystal clear my in my mind's eye now

1148
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,680
that that play i was talking about

1149
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,440
earlier on like visibly cringing down

1150
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,720
discord if i was to be like there's a

1151
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,720
hot dog stand over here be like

1152
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,640
actually ugh as well i don't understand

1153
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,280
sometimes in words where you have like

1154
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,839
the magic equivalent to like our science

1155
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,920
and things to an extent

1156
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:09,440
why we can't have

1157
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,880
that sort of thing

1158
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,079
necessarily

1159
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,480
yeah it's because it's all about the

1160
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,640
flavor to bring us to bring it the topic

1161
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,680
definitely in that's what it is you know

1162
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,520
even if it's

1163
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,680
patently applicable and makes sense and

1164
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,680
would work and they you know create food

1165
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,040
and water can create whatever they want

1166
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,880
you know it's just not the flavor that

1167
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,480
they're there that's true the flavor

1168
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,880
that they're after but i would also

1169
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,119
argue that using things that people can

1170
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,160
relate to also helps with the flavor

1171
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:39,280
yeah i completely agree but i mean i

1172
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,800
brought in

1173
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,960
there there is there is a

1174
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,160
a common item in xanathar's guide which

1175
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,720
is like uh orb of time or something like

1176
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,680
that and if you look at it it tells them

1177
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,760
it tells you

1178
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,480
like is it morning afternoon

1179
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,520
yeah noon or night and i i just

1180
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,119
re-flavored that wink to be uh what i

1181
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,160
call a chrono band

1182
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:03,119
aka a watch um because i was like i

1183
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,880
don't

1184
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,079
i don't care like whether you guys know

1185
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,079
the time or not i just always want you

1186
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:10,640
to know the time so here have a watch

1187
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:12,800
yeah that's that's a miniaturized orb of

1188
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,319
time in a leather strap that fits around

1189
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,599
your wrist that tells you what the time

1190
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:18,240
is um

1191
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,520
and that was that was a bit of a cheeky

1192
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,359
grin on my face and i was like here's a

1193
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,800
chrono band and they're like oh what's

1194
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:24,480
that and i'm like

1195
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,839
it's this small little thing that sits

1196
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,280
on your wrist around the leather strap

1197
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:29,520
and has notches in it that can tighten

1198
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:33,440
the strap and they're like have you

1199
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:35,119
you just grabbing a watch maybe i am

1200
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,359
and that is how i abuse my power as the

1201
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,800
dm uh

1202
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:41,599
i mean i think that you know as far as

1203
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,599
like uh dm abusing power i think that's

1204
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:45,839
a pretty good way to go about it a

1205
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,440
benign way of doing it yeah

1206
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:51,280
okay

1207
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,160
good i'll take that i'll take that um

1208
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,839
uh

1209
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:59,119
here's a here's a spicy question

1210
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:59,119
i was really proud of when i thought

1211
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:04,400
obviously when it comes to food and

1212
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:08,000
drink in the universe

1213
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,359
it is the gm's job as it is with every

1214
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,040
other

1215
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:13,839
sense in in the game to describe it so

1216
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,760
when

1217
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:18,319
player characters enter a room it looks

1218
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,240
like this you can hear running water it

1219
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:24,960
smells musty

1220
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:26,800
blah blah blah the same is said for food

1221
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,240
however

1222
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,280
describing

1223
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,960
flavor is like inherently

1224
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,640
subjective and again something that all

1225
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,480
humans are very very very you know

1226
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,760
intimately aware of like i don't like

1227
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,000
cheese

1228
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,000
which many people find abhorrent because

1229
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,599
everybody loves cheese yeah that is a

1230
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,880
bit of a weird one

1231
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,839
yeah

1232
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,280
i shouldn't have opened that door

1233
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:48,560
because yeah

1234
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,280
let me just double down and say i do

1235
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,160
actually like most pizzas just to really

1236
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,480
uh make things weird

1237
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,760
but not regular cheese um

1238
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,960
so if i you know

1239
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,720
trying to describe food to a player

1240
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,640
character

1241
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:07,119
isn't that some almost like a form of

1242
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,119
railroading because you're telling

1243
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:12,480
that player character what

1244
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:15,040
is nice or not nice like oh here's a

1245
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,720
hot delicious hearty stew that's you

1246
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,480
know you've got all the flavors and the

1247
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,760
smells and it's it's making your mouth

1248
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,240
water and it's it's this that and the

1249
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,920
other which i i feel is probably

1250
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,800
something many many many gm's have done

1251
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,040
because it's part and parcel of yeah

1252
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,560
selling a scene

1253
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,760
but then to me that just strikes me i

1254
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,839
just thought like isn't that not a

1255
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,960
little bit like your character likes

1256
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:36,240
stew

1257
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,920
yeah

1258
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,880
yeah i think that's definitely why i

1259
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,400
sort of

1260
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,000
will use modern equivalencies more than

1261
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,200
saying

1262
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,040
this is good and this is bad because

1263
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,680
yeah then the players can decide

1264
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,680
themselves unless it's sort of

1265
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,440
magical vision drink and then i don't

1266
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,920
really have so much of a problem saying

1267
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,319
oh this tastes amazing because

1268
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,160
well yeah you spent like 5 000 gold on

1269
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:05,280
this

1270
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,640
magical plate it tastes like stardust

1271
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,319
you can you can imagine what star does

1272
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,560
taste like yeah

1273
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:13,520
like at a certain point like

1274
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:16,240
it'd just be really terrible if you you

1275
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,319
cast you know um heroes feast or

1276
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:22,079
whatever and you just got like the worst

1277
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:24,000
food imaginable yeah oh god that's

1278
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:26,400
that's that's that's a bad abuse of dm

1279
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,400
power yeah

1280
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,119
heroes feast which is a sick

1281
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,040
spell that is great

1282
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,560
one reason i love it is because it's

1283
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,800
not only a mechanical benefit but also

1284
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,480
enables like hella role play as well in

1285
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,200
one single spell

1286
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,800
yeah uh i and i that's i love that one

1287
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,720
because it's like here's a great someone

1288
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,560
is casting a spell in game that is

1289
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,280
making the players out of game

1290
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,119
do

1291
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,560
role play it's like brilliant he's doing

1292
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,920
my job for me now at this point i don't

1293
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,680
just sit back and

1294
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,680
someone else is running the show you

1295
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,280
just give them like a timeout button

1296
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,800
yeah

1297
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,280
i love that station of course it's so

1298
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,200
obvious now like just just i mean apart

1299
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,720
from obviously it might

1300
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,680
break the fourth wall a little bit for

1301
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,000
certain

1302
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,880
players that they're using

1303
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,880
real world analogies for food but yeah

1304
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,000
absolutely sidesteps that issue of like

1305
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,440
how can i

1306
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,760
describe

1307
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,880
this thing i guess you could stick to

1308
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,319
dry

1309
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,920
descriptors like

1310
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:24,720
the ones which aren't a motive so like

1311
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,280
hit you know here's it is a warm

1312
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:29,920
liquid dish with meat and vegetables in

1313
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,119
it and then let let the players you know

1314
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,200
i guess you could just use that as a

1315
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,040
prime opportunity to be like what does

1316
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,880
your character feel about this i guess

1317
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,520
you could use that in like a session one

1318
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,760
classic tavern meet up food get served

1319
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,280
classic like does your character like

1320
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,359
this kind of food you could even ask

1321
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,200
that to a newer player to be like

1322
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:48,720
yeah start thinking about what your

1323
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,280
character likes and doesn't like because

1324
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:53,440
then it saves me having to build it

1325
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,480
i just think a good way of sort of doing

1326
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,560
it is

1327
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,319
just to ask the player what they've

1328
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,599
ordered like oh you've been able to

1329
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:03,200
afford like a modest meal

1330
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:04,640
what have you ordered

1331
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,480
because

1332
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,480
and unless they're like a

1333
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,839
masochist they're not going to order

1334
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,079
something they don't like they don't

1335
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:14,079
like yeah yeah yeah i was just thinking

1336
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,280
that like you took you must have been

1337
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:17,119
reading my brain because i was thinking

1338
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,079
like what what class what kind of

1339
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,520
character would i build where they

1340
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,040
deliberately order something they don't

1341
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,240
like as like a form of penance or

1342
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,400
something like

1343
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,240
i don't know no i'll i'll take the dry

1344
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,960
bread please the bread and water and

1345
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,800
nothing else uh that'd be five gold yeah

1346
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,960
that's fine that's

1347
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,960
how i live my life that's great that is

1348
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,800
fantastic role play opportunity i

1349
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,079
i have done the whole like

1350
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,800
starter tavern

1351
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,640
the

1352
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,880
the server comes over and says what are

1353
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,119
you ordering and that's

1354
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,319
yeah as you said like a classic like oh

1355
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:47,760
i've never thought about what my

1356
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:50,160
character likes to drink before and i

1357
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,200
guess one step the next logical leap in

1358
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,960
that is

1359
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,319
you know why is it that

1360
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,160
you know how does it taste to your

1361
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:58,240
character why do they like it so on and

1362
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,760
so forth is something to

1363
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,800
really think about and really flesh out

1364
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,880
those

1365
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,720
those characters quite early on yeah

1366
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,599
quite a nice solution i definitely

1367
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:10,800
prefer as well asking them then getting

1368
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:12,960
a massive list of options

1369
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,119
um as a player i've had the massive list

1370
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,599
of options and i'm like i sort of start

1371
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:20,640
to tune out after

1372
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:23,280
three items in and i'm i just

1373
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,280
add that one i guess yeah

1374
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,440
again you've read my mind um you should

1375
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,160
host a show because my next question was

1376
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,200
going to be how do you like

1377
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,040
do you often improvise in those

1378
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:37,359
situation menu or do you just have a

1379
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,880
list of things or do you

1380
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:40,640
not do either and just let the players

1381
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,160
pick but then it's kind of like any it's

1382
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,280
almost like analysis paralysis the

1383
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,240
players don't really know what's

1384
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,000
available at this kind of place

1385
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,599
how do you you know when you when you're

1386
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,000
doing that i think i've played and

1387
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:54,000
probably done as a all

1388
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,200
three varieties but what are your

1389
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,480
thoughts on

1390
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,160
having that you know they sat down at a

1391
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,040
tavern a person comes over and says what

1392
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,760
do you want and they go what do you have

1393
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:06,720
do you stop it as the dm ago you pick or

1394
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,800
do you have the server say we have

1395
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,599
food

1396
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,240
um i think generally i would keep to

1397
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:16,000
like maybe like a chef special or meal

1398
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,920
of the day sort of thing

1399
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,760
and otherwise it's sort of free range

1400
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,000
for the players that want to go outside

1401
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,920
of that and the people who are like

1402
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,440
oh i hadn't actually considered and i

1403
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,720
don't want to spend half an hour trying

1404
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,640
to work out

1405
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,480
yeah um

1406
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,040
what i'm going to eat

1407
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,720
i get oh actually boom great idea and

1408
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,079
that then it makes just like the way you

1409
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,440
said earlier that you wanted to keep

1410
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,720
those main meals it's like special

1411
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,599
occurrences

1412
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,920
it

1413
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,319
lends greater importance to

1414
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,880
if they go to a new place and the maitre

1415
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:50,000
d comes over and says well today we have

1416
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,920
xyz abcdef

1417
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,160
then they're like whoa this place is

1418
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,440
it's fantastic business yeah like this

1419
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,640
is these are some really important

1420
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,480
dishes that i want to think about

1421
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,040
whereas if that's happened every tavern

1422
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,240
they've gone to yeah it's no it's not oh

1423
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,319
this is another place it's there too

1424
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,280
that i have to try and hold 10 items in

1425
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:07,760
my head

1426
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,680
as i pick what thing i want

1427
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,280
yeah it definitely can be a good way to

1428
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,040
like um

1429
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,319
if you've got a very rough and tumble

1430
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,800
party

1431
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:19,599
to end up sticking them in like

1432
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,920
a formal situation and be make them

1433
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,880
aware that they're in a formal situation

1434
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,720
and

1435
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,520
here are your options oh can i have this

1436
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,960
no you can have what's on the menu

1437
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,559
yes

1438
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,359
no sir we don't we don't do that here

1439
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,359
i'm afraid

1440
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,200
uh i had um

1441
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,319
one of my newer players they've they

1442
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,920
rolled a monk

1443
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:41,680
where the ascendant dragon or whatever

1444
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,440
it is and um

1445
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,119
actually i must admit i did i did what

1446
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,480
we've just discussed they went into a

1447
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,680
tavern then i

1448
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,680
mainly because it was nearing the end of

1449
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,319
the session mainly because i'm lazy i

1450
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,760
was like yeah you know order someone

1451
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:56,079
someone comes over to take your order

1452
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,839
there's only so many times you can

1453
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:03,280
improvise another server a bar or tavern

1454
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:05,280
that you know the 50th time no one

1455
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,640
really needs to know unless you'll

1456
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,400
you've got some specific thing you're

1457
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,319
trying to sell like

1458
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,440
the flavor of the venue or

1459
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:13,599
bish bash bosh if it's your

1460
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,280
run-of-the-mill stuff yeah anyway so

1461
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,119
that that monk was like they went around

1462
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,079
yeah five ales and he was like no

1463
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,599
actually

1464
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,960
do you have any tea

1465
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,880
and that was a really nice like the

1466
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,880
whole table was like oh this is because

1467
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,040
he was he's relatively new in universe

1468
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,559
as well to a couple of them and then

1469
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,079
everyone was like oh you

1470
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,520
you he's like yeah yeah have you got any

1471
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,200
you know it's like green teas you've got

1472
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,400
fruit tea i really needed to like center

1473
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,760
my chee and this certainly was like ah i

1474
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,599
feel kind of bad for smashing a couple

1475
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,599
of pints now at 2pm next to this guy

1476
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:44,800
a really elegant like

1477
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:47,680
roleplay

1478
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,359
uh character development thing yeah

1479
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,559
so i was like oh yeah we can do and then

1480
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:52,160
on the way out of town he was like oh

1481
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,079
down low can we can i go somewhere

1482
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,800
before we leave town and buy like a tea

1483
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:58,800
set so i can kind of make my own on the

1484
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,559
road i was like yeah absolutely that's a

1485
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,680
i love that idea for your character to

1486
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:03,760
be like

1487
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,720
in the front lines zoom zipping around

1488
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,359
the map

1489
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:09,119
dropping like 50 hits on an enemy with

1490
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:11,119
like this delicate little tea set

1491
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:14,319
clanking around like in a little pattern

1492
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:17,040
oh yeah amazing that which is like great

1493
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:18,720
you know when they you know you you

1494
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,880
the martial artists train and they have

1495
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:22,400
to like have one hand holding a vars or

1496
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,720
something on the other hand it has to

1497
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,559
defend from attackers i kind of had that

1498
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:28,559
image in my head of him

1499
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:30,960
holding this this tea set while having

1500
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:33,359
to defend and like

1501
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,760
like hit all these enemies

1502
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:37,599
and that that was some pure i didn't

1503
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,600
give them a menu and that's what came

1504
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,520
out of it so

1505
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,640
[Laughter]

1506
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,440
is there anything else you want to talk

1507
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,559
about that we haven't got to yet

1508
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,599
yes

1509
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:50,880
one of the cool things that i find about

1510
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:53,280
flavor and

1511
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,040
sort of the tricks that come with

1512
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,800
certain things

1513
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,400
is

1514
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,520
ignoring it and doing the complete

1515
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,119
opposite

1516
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,640
which i think is an important important

1517
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:08,640
part of flavor is to give you this here

1518
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,640
is the usual and you go no

1519
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:15,760
i played a

1520
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:18,240
dampier for what a g dragon heist um

1521
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,040
that was basically my character concept

1522
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:24,079
and i played a

1523
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,559
warm and fuzzy hearth cleric

1524
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,440
who just also happened to be a dampier

1525
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,760
okay

1526
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,760
um

1527
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,280
and yeah i think that's sort of an

1528
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,800
important part that

1529
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,280
flavor like

1530
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,520
plays into

1531
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,680
or at least like forces players to

1532
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,280
consider is

1533
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,280
whether they want to use that or if they

1534
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,800
just want to completely ignore it which

1535
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,319
is

1536
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,559
i think why i don't get on with some of

1537
00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:52,400
the ones that just don't give me any of

1538
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,280
that

1539
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,559
yeah

1540
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,599
i love

1541
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:58,319
so many

1542
00:52:55,599 --> 00:53:00,160
spicy takes tonight from from yourself

1543
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:02,240
they're like here's a slogan and just

1544
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,839
flip it on its head

1545
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,839
yeah

1546
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:07,760
that's that's how i've run a lot of my

1547
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:09,200
campaign it's that poor player has had

1548
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,960
to grin and bear it a couple of times

1549
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,200
actually

1550
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,559
because i do love having those

1551
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,160
tropes

1552
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:19,280
subverted and the listeners of the show

1553
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,040
will know that's that's my go-to um

1554
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,280
because i just think it's a it's just

1555
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:26,079
funny to to surprise and to have these

1556
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,319
these modern trappings in air ostensibly

1557
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,520
quote-unquote fantasy world and so the

1558
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:32,400
same can be said yeah absolutely for

1559
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,599
those those kind of class and uh lineage

1560
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,640
combinations

1561
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:38,079
yeah

1562
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:41,920
cool well that pretty much uh brings us

1563
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:44,240
to the end of today's show in which case

1564
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,200
do you have anything you would like to

1565
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:47,520
promote

1566
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:51,680
i guess i'd like to promote my twitter

1567
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:54,480
which is at the underscore home bakery

1568
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:58,720
which has most of the links to

1569
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,920
everywhere i am and also i have

1570
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,760
a

1571
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,200
new piece of content coming out at the

1572
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,400
end of the month

1573
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,079
uh which is a magic shop

1574
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,800
the adoption armory and that's where you

1575
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:13,359
can get a lovely sentient items

1576
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,720
awesome amazing so it's not funny enough

1577
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:17,760
i was

1578
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:20,400
looking for cursed items which

1579
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,880
sometimes a sentient as well

1580
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,200
and i found the list of you know

1581
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:29,040
out-of-the-box ones from the dmg and

1582
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:30,800
stuff yeah quite quite lacking so

1583
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,440
this is good timing for me not for my

1584
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,960
players unfortunately for them but

1585
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,839
there are yeah there are a couple of

1586
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,119
cast ones in there so

1587
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:40,160
might be able to find something that you

1588
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,880
like

1589
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,119
perfect well thank you very much so uh

1590
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,799
all that's left to say is

1591
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,200
uh thank you ever so much fruits that's

1592
00:54:46,799 --> 00:54:51,359
a a lot of fun thank you so much for

1593
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:54,000
having me this has been great

1594
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:57,119
awesome not a problem at all thank you

1595
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,920
to everybody for listening at home as

1596
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:01,839
usual please do check out all of the

1597
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:04,160
home bakeries stuff is it is on dm's

1598
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:06,400
guild a few bits and bobs um no most of

1599
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,079
it's actually on it show or

1600
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,720
drive through rpg

1601
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,640
yes yes yes yes i i don't like giving

1602
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:15,359
the way my the rights to the stuff that

1603
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:19,440
i make which you have to do with dmct so

1604
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:21,839
ah i'm super naive so no so

1605
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:25,599
so please please do check out all uh the

1606
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:27,280
homebakery stuff on hio and drive

1607
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,319
through rpg

1608
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,760
and thank you all for listening home

1609
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:32,400
please do check out everything in the

1610
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,480
episode description below all the usual

1611
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,640
links and click-throughs and websites

1612
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,319
and patreons wink wink are all down

1613
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,559
there for you to click through on

1614
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:42,319
otherwise thank you all for listening

1615
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,920
and good night

1616
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:44,799
and now it's time for the patreon shout

1617
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,960
outs

1618
00:55:44,799 --> 00:55:50,079
thank you to robert hartley

1619
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:53,040
dm for viva la dirt league and writer on

1620
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:54,559
the d d logic web series

1621
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,359
i would encourage everybody to check him

1622
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,400
out at robert hartley gm on twitter and

1623
00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:00,640
twitch

1624
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,119
thank you to optional rule a two time

1625
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,839
guest of the show and a very insightful

1626
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:07,119
and knowledgeable source of information

1627
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:10,119
please check them out at

1628
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,119
www.optionalrule.com

1629
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,839
huge huge huge thank you to a great

1630
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:18,319
friend of the show matthew perkins who's

1631
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:20,720
out there making hilarious and

1632
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:22,520
educational dungeons and dragons content

1633
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:24,240
please go and check out his stuff at

1634
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,640
matthewperkins.net where you can find

1635
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:28,160
links to all of his socials and all of

1636
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,839
his content including his own patreon

1637
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,680
which i would very much encourage you to

1638
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:34,559
check out

1639
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,480
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1640
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,760
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1641
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,760
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1642
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1643
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1644
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,720
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1645
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1646
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00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:54,160
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1649
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:56,880
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1650
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,400
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1651
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,390
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