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welcome thinkers to season 4 episode 24

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of thinking critically no big Updates

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this week we've managed to get the

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episode out on time which is the biggest

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thing ever I could have ever hoped for

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otherwise I just chill the normal things

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which is head to thinking

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critically.co.uk to take a look at

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everything and over 100 hours of back

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catalog of the show and also dungeon's

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Dyson dudes ddnd pod the actual play

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podcast I am a player in otherwise yeah

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that's it nothing

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nothing just strap in for a banger of an

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episode you had a nice short one a

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couple of episodes ago less than an hour

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this is now you're paying back you're

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paying back that time an hour and a half

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so strap in great episode of fantastic

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guests

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plural that's right so yeah I hope you

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enjoy and let's go on with the show

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[Music]

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and it is my pleasure to welcome back to

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the Show the cast and hosts of tabletop

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Journeys they give us so much hurt

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returning to the show again guys why

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don't you tell us a little bit about the

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show and yourselves

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uh Daniel it is awesome to be back here

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like it has it feels so long since we

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have been on the show uh we're really uh

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really uh chuffed to be back so uh

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thanks for having us uh I'm Josh one of

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the hosts tabletop Journeys is a show

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all about role-playing in all of its

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various facets uh we do content shows

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rules deep Dives book deep Dives actual

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plays etc etc

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and I'm Glenn one of the other hosts

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Glenn Myers uh love being part of

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tabletop Journeys love being back on

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thinking critically always a good time

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and uh we got one more guy here

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because there's three of us yes thank

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you for that introduction I am leewanika

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and also amazingly happy to be back on

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thinking critically one of the earliest

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podcasts I started listening to uh one

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of my favorite podcasts to uh guest uh

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on uh have a a blast and uh tabletop

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Journeys in addition to all the things

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that Josh mentioned we are also content

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creators we uh we write stuff and we'll

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talk about all of that uh throughout the

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show and later but uh we love writing

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and uh We've we freelance a little bit

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so hashtag call your boys ttj

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uh yes amazing so previous episodes that

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we've talked about in the past uh on

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motivation season

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recently three yeah yeah

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because my screen says season four and

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that didn't sound right because we're in

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season four now and I was like that's

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that's not correct

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and then space all the way back in

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season one 2021 geez Louise that's I

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think that was the first show that we

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actually appeared on actually as a group

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in glenface no way I don't even you

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either weren't on staff yet for the show

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or I was just come on and you had gotten

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and you you got the invite like the next

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day and yeah yeah you know I hadn't even

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we hadn't even done any recording with

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me yet great great so it was just you

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and Lee when you get in that one that

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was the one yeah but we but we did fix

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that because we had Danilo on our show a

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couple weeks or months later where we

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continue that conversation because that

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was such a great topic space that we had

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to have we had to carry it on forward so

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we kind of uh Bard slash stole from

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danilo's amazing format and then we did

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uh ttj uh uh tabletop Journey's version

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of that uh where we finished the

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conversation had an additional couple

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topics of discussion that's the one I

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always Point people to when people are

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like what's the show about a guy we take

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a single word or topic which might sound

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two-dimensional but in fact it's the

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opposite because I always refer to the

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space episode to be like oh okay they're

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gonna talk about something completely

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not what I had in mind yeah I had not

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prepared for what this discussion now we

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went way a field of whatever it looked

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like it was going to be on face value

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and it was where the conversation took

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us and that's actually an episode I I

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re-listened to from time to time just to

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kind of we talked a lot about techniques

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and tips that are really good for

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building up your games and making your

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games exciting and engaging

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um and so I will re-listen to that just

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so I can prepare myself for different

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Adventures that I run currently because

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there's there are so many good nuggets

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in that one that was like

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for you and for us probably our best set

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of episodes

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really really good stuff well thank you

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so I can't take any credit so so for the

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all from the guests of course

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credit don't be too modest I I said I'm

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eating up yeah that's that's true yeah

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you're part of the conversation

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conversations include everybody I'm

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British I'm modest right no no I I feel

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that you're trying to downplay your role

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in this and I'm not allowing it

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and I will just say you actually picked

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a topic on that one and sent that up and

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so everywhere we went was based on what

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you gave us uh the perfect improv you

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put it out there you set that scene and

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we yes ended through what two hours of

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of content and and there's a lot of good

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stuff there and that's just what made it

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on air there was other pieces that kind

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of got uh clipped and stuff that that

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that honestly were very useful as well

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as a first step in a wonderful

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friendship so I I mean awesome and I

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very much one one final piece of the

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house prerogative but I very much

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considered tabletop Journeys my sister

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podcast from you know from the other the

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other side of the world almost it means

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a lot I mean truly how's how have you

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guys been how's your show going how are

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we doing everyone ever good happy yeah I

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mean everything's great so I uh

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personally uh my wife and I just uh just

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had a daughter a few months ago

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she's absolutely adorable uh and

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probably like the most well-behaved baby

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of all time uh which is very very lucky

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because my wife and I run around like

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crazy people so that's uh that's very

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very good uh so personally things are

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going awesome and I haven't even told

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These Fine gentlemen yet so we lose for

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the first time too uh we are just about

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to go ahead and hit our 50 000th

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download wow which is insanity like if

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you had said ah thank you yeah if you

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talked 100 years ago I'm gonna clap on

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that too

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okay you know it was a little over a

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year ago that we hit 25 000 downloads

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and so it's been an insane year uh

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absolutely crazy so uh you know a

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multitude of blessings a multitude of

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blessings I'm including the fact that we

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just actually put out the final copy of

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our third book to the kickstarter book

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that we did uh back in September finally

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went uh finally went to press and

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finally went out to uh to the

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kickstarter backer so it's nice to have

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that project done so right and we

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promised our next one will be faster we

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learned a lot

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or at least more properly timed yeah

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properly timed yeah

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in addition to all of that we have uh

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like so many of us uh content creators

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whether it be just podcasts or podcasts

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and YouTube or just writers of amazing

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tabletop games we have all been through

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a huge nearly PTSD creating struggle uh

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with uh Wizards of the Coast and the ogl

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and I'm not going to belabor this too

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much other than to say like everybody

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else we had to take time to evaluate

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what we do how we do it and what we're

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going to do right as things work out in

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that venue we've figured out what we

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figured out all those things and we are

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on the better side of it and we have

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great ideas for the future we've shifted

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some of our Foci or focuses

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um we've started doing some alternate

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um specifically uh We've Started With

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The Star Trek Adventures RPG by

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modiphius uh entertainment happy to say

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they are a company that comes from

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England of all places the UK and a

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pleasure to have conversations with uh

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their freelance writers their line

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editors and just their Community has

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been amazing for that game and and the

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game's super fun too the game is amazing

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all of those other things that icing on

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the cake and the cherry on top is is

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wonderful and it's really been an

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energizing factor in what we do on the

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um it's not gonna stop with just doing

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Star Trek Adventures we have plans for

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other games as we go throughout this

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year

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um the goal is to be focused on tabletop

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we're not forgetting 5V but we are our

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goal is to kind of cover

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all the things that make tabletop gaming

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fun energizing borrow from games uh even

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if it's a system you're not playing in

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to add to the game in the system that

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you are playing in so that's kind of

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my my secret

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ulterior motive of the show was to find

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out more games and play more games and

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stuff so that's that's this is all great

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yeah and it was a success with you guys

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in the past

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um so I'm just gonna steal your thoughts

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as normal uh for the third time so we

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share thoughts back and forth

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yeah our Star Trek Adventures a little

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bit modest about it because he's The

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Mastermind behind it but our Star Trek

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Adventures patreon game is going to be

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something truly special it's

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kind of taking all players from our

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patreon that want to play and blending

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them into one crew it just means that

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not every crew members in every episode

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and so it's almost like an unlimited

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number of people can play leewanika and

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Josh are both Coast storytelling two

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different groups that could rotate

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players it's it's going to be so much

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fun and it's gonna be so exciting right

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now our session Zero part three just

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came out so our first actual episode

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should be coming up this next week I

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believe and I'm really excited yeah

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Engine air every time right before this

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episode airs if uh scheduling holds

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holds fast yeah yeah yes awesome well

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I'm gonna labor a Segway now

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um as I was hype I was hoping at some

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point in this introduction there'd be

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somewhere I can dive in and be like that

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would be the one and this this is what

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I'm gonna I'm gonna use is you're

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talking about you know so many players

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in into different DMS in other words for

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groups is you know maybe maybe factions

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which happens to be right there's a ship

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space station so you've got a space

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station faction and a ship faction yes

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precisely thank you see it wasn't it

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wasn't that you know uh tenuous link I'm

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happy with that that's why colloquial

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colloquially clock called Cruise yeah

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uh so today's topic is factional

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factions so opening the floor as

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everybody knows what does that mean to

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you in the DND and of course wider ttrpg

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framework

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we've been talking about factions for

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going on two years now it's an idea

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that's been bubbling on our back burner

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with a file in our Google Drive that

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slowly gets more and more things added

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to it it's going to culminate into

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something that we'll talk about at some

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point during this episode but uh coming

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up with new exciting believable not

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realistic because we play a fantasy game

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so I'm not going to say realistic but

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lifelike and vibrant factions that help

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add depth to your world that that's a

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topic that's near and dear to our hearts

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yep okay so with with we're talking then

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wow macro scale factions right so we're

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talking like the kingsguard capital K

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capital G you know that that kind of big

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group of individuals who are operating

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and having an impact on the world right

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that's the level we're talking about

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yeah that's a really great example to go

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ahead and bring up because I'll be

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honest as I've been kind of filling out

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this Google doc and kind of thinking

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about factions and kind of a structural

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sense one of the things that has been a

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challenge for me has been designing

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factions which are not solely full of

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bad guys or solely full of kind of

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opposition forces now I don't want to

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say necessarily bad guys right because

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like but about opposition forces because

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I think there should be forces for good

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too yeah because when I think of

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factions my first thought is not

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necessarily to a fantasy setting but is

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more to like cyberpunk like Shadowrun

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right you think about kind of the

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corporate structure that runs everything

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you as the players are part of kind of

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the CD underbelly that's moving against

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that big corporate machine you are the

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you are part of the faction that is is

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kind of trying to oppose the political

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machine that is ruling everything and so

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it's been an interesting kind of thought

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experiment to try to think outside of

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that kind of very narrowly defined box

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that the word has held in my brain so so

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I too was thinking about that and uh I

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thought of examples of factions or

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examples that could be factions in a

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tabletop setting and I turned to Media

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specifically movies until and uh epic

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television that you'll see on various

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channels

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um you know if you wanted to start with

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Star Trek because that's where our

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Segway began with uh you could look at

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the Federation the Klingon so romulans

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each of those are factions right

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Dominion but the Dominion uh to look at

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DS9 and Picard season three but you can

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also go within any of those

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organizations and find factions within

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within the Federation you have Starfleet

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that's a faction within the greater

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Federation you also have within that

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faction you have section 31. which is

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separate from Starfleet intelligence

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which is separate from Starfleet Corps

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of Engineers which is separate from the

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Starfleet medical division uh which is

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separate Institute yeah the daystrom

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Institute so you have all of these

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factions within factions which are

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interesting things to play with when

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you're building your world looking at a

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more High fantasy or a fantasy or not

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necessarily a high fantasy but a fantasy

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setting you can look to Game of Thrones

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each of those houses

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was a faction and if you look at the the

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history of Game of Thrones on television

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season by season you were introduced to

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one or two houses at a time basically

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every couple of episodes you got a new

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house we were almost three quarters of

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the way through season two or three

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before we even though we had heard the

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name before we were introduced to house

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Martel but then by that time we're also

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getting other factions or late in season

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one we were introduced to the swords

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masters of braavos we were introduced to

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at some point to The Faceless Men We

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were introduced to uh the black watch uh

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we were introduced to the free men north

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of the wall each of those were factions

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within this greater world so in my head

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factions is a way to build your world or

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a way to describe elements of Your World

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and show it it's easy to say this is the

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kind of world I have but how do you show

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that showing those factions is a great

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shorthand that makes good narrative

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sense for players because they can

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interact with a person or a couple of

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people or have a running an encounter

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positively or negatively uh they can get

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help by they can see this action working

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against this other faction even if

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they're just passing them on the road

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they can learn a lot about the world

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they're in with factions and that's the

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kind of thing that that I think of when

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I think and without going to the

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complete macro scale of world-sized

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factions that can get into governments

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government organizations Etc a lot of

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times when I work on factions I actually

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do work on more of a micro scale or a

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kingdom scale or down even to a city

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scale sometimes sticking with luanika's

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pop culture current television analogy

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Shadow and bone as an example in

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ketterdam

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The Gangs of the barrel are all small

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factions you know Pekka Rollins time

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lions and well in the show it's Kaz

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Brecker steals the dregs and turns them

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into crows but he in the books he starts

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out as a lieutenant in the dregs and

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then stages of cool and becomes the

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crows but that's neither here nor there

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but each one of those small gangs that

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run the barrel the CD underbelly of

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cutterdam

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is a faction of itself and they all have

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interactions between each other that

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make that environment the Barrel in

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particular but all of ketterdam such a

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dangerously vibrant and seedy place

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without them it would just be you know a

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bad neighborhood with some some muggers

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and thugs but with them you've got

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multiple organized crime elements

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working

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towards the same goal sometimes but

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often against each other creating all

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kinds of plot and Intrigue in that

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environment so

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if you get a couple of good

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well-established factions that have

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roots and wherever you're placing them

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whether it's macro or micro whether

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you're growing a big faction that's

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going to span continents or a small one

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that's gonna pretty much just take up

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the local town and Counting

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whatever area you've attached them to

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they're going to breathe life into it

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they're going to add new

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directions they're going to add new

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players they're going to add new

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political pressures and social pressures

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that change the stories that you're

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telling within those areas and they're

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fantastic

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yeah because I think that's really where

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the magic of a distinct faction

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of of uh of non non-player or even

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player characters comes from that's

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really what the magic is is that as a

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group they have their own motivations

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right to go ahead and throw back to

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another show that we had about

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motivation right that particular group

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operates within its own space for its

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own reasons and sometimes it's in line

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with if we use like a a faction of

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non-player characters just as an example

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sometimes those motivations may be in

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line with the players sometimes they may

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not be in line with the motivation with

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the motivational players sometimes they

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are adversarial sometimes they're in

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parallel so there's a lot of ways that

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you can kind of that you can align their

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trajectories and make them interact with

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uh with the players I think that's

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really where the magic of a faction

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comes in that without being group

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thoughty about it but realizing that

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that faction as its own machine travels

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its own Direction

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yeah so there's there's loads there to

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unpack and the one thing I wanted to

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start with is that

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that is a classic tip to GMS is that

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it's better to show don't tell and not

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just GMS but also writers and that kind

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of creative Endeavor in general is that

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show don't tell and I think factions as

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you've all three of you have put it well

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is a very very very good vehicle for

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doing precisely precisely that from the

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feeds Guild there's a Mugger on the

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street oh but they're part of a Thieves

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Guild and suddenly isn't just some

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random villain on the street that you

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can all

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half an hour it's part of a bigger thing

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and why does the city have a Thieves

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Guild and and the other one doesn't and

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so on and so on and are they honorable

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or are they not honorable and blah blah

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all just spins out of there all the way

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up to the the vast World consuming

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factions of evil domains and

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geopolitical movements and everything is

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is such a fantastic way to World build

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without

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laboring it too much without being too

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on the nose or two

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you know an hour of exposition of the GM

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talking yeah which I don't think anybody

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finds too fun no well I I think GM's

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actually can fall into the Trap of

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finding a lot of fun and going into that

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hour of exposition I myself

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I'm going to call myself out I have done

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that in many a game games that my two

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co-hosts have probably played in where

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it's like oh I've got or edited you know

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I can go on and on and on and it's like

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that's wonderful none of that matters

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until you have that one character that

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shows up

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um DS9 is the perfect example of this

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section 31 when they decided to develop

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that for DS9 they didn't

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talk about Section 8 31 they had one

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character we didn't see multiple

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characters from section 31 we didn't see

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a second section 31 character trial I

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think their second uh appearance and

534
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they only appeared like four or five

535
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times yet they are one of the most

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exciting and electric factions in Star

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Trek for me personally they have a whole

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book in Last Unicorn games from six

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episodes

540
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you know I think that says a lot about

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how you show a faction how you bring

542
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that to the table in some cases it's one

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person and then through role play

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conversation conflict uh discussion

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whatever you're doing then you learn

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00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:07,500
about what they tell you they're from

547
00:21:05,340 --> 00:21:10,679
and then it's up to the players to

548
00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:13,260
decide do you want to know more

549
00:21:10,679 --> 00:21:15,480
and let the players drive that piece and

550
00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:17,700
then as they want to know more you

551
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,940
should have it what we are talking about

552
00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:23,340
here is if you have an idea of your

553
00:21:20,940 --> 00:21:26,120
faction and the bones of it ready to go

554
00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:28,500
when the players latch onto that faction

555
00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:30,419
now you're ready to answer that question

556
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:33,900
and it sounds like you've had it planned

557
00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:35,460
the entire time yeah I I remember the

558
00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:38,159
example that I was going to use is when

559
00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:40,740
I kind of first realized the power of

560
00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:43,559
distinct factions and it was in the D D

561
00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:45,000
at that time DND Third Edition game I

562
00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:47,340
played in for years and years and years

563
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,440
because up until that point in my

564
00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:52,440
storytelling and everything I had sort

565
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:55,080
of conflated the idea of factions and

566
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,520
species right that like all dwarves

567
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,720
think the same because dwarves live

568
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,940
under the mountains and they're minors

569
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,799
and so all dwarves have this and all

570
00:21:59,940 --> 00:22:03,360
elves think the same because they you

571
00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:05,280
know all that sort of that sort of

572
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:09,360
tie-in and that was really kind of the

573
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:11,340
first time that I saw not just distinct

574
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:13,620
factions but distinct factions that

575
00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:17,880
crossed species lines right so it's like

576
00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:20,159
when this group of humans who live in

577
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,380
the mountains and the dwarves function

578
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:24,419
together here's what happens and so like

579
00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:27,299
breaking down the line between a faction

580
00:22:24,419 --> 00:22:30,480
and tying it directly to its species was

581
00:22:27,299 --> 00:22:31,260
like mind changing like it like it

582
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,940
opened up so many different

583
00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:34,620
possibilities to go ahead and see kind

584
00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:37,500
of and I think that we're seeing a lot

585
00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:39,000
in the way that like the uh the way that

586
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:41,640
that Cobalt is right now kind of

587
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,340
dropping out its competitor 25e but

588
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,600
breaking down backgrounds into something

589
00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:46,980
that we've been talking about for and

590
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,960
specifically lunica has been talking

591
00:22:46,980 --> 00:22:51,419
about forever but you know talking about

592
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,520
the difference between uh nature versus

593
00:22:51,419 --> 00:22:55,380
nurture right what were you born to be

594
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,880
versus how are you raised and what is

595
00:22:55,380 --> 00:22:58,559
that you know kind of taking those two

596
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,299
distinct pieces and breaking them out of

597
00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:02,880
your background and then what choices

598
00:23:00,299 --> 00:23:05,039
you made outside yeah so it's the three

599
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,500
pieces that make the whole yeah yeah

600
00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:08,880
yeah so I mean you know when you start

601
00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:10,020
thinking about it on those those kind of

602
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,100
levels like the number of possibilities

603
00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:15,360
that emerges

604
00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:19,880
it's endless so yeah I would also say uh

605
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:23,100
an early faction discussion for me was

606
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,200
vampire the Masquerade so which is a

607
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:28,020
game that's all about faction so when

608
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:31,679
you break it down every vampire Clan

609
00:23:28,020 --> 00:23:33,659
every werewolf tribe even the moons of

610
00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:36,840
the various werewolves even the

611
00:23:33,659 --> 00:23:39,659
generations of the various vampire Clans

612
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:42,840
uh totally yeah the the uh the the

613
00:23:39,659 --> 00:23:46,200
various sects the types of magic for the

614
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:48,780
for the Premier anti-tribute versus uh

615
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:51,299
the standard vampire the camera versions

616
00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:53,220
yeah camera versions because they're not

617
00:23:51,299 --> 00:23:56,280
cool enough like this about to have have

618
00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:59,159
a title uh yes I I'm joking I'm joking

619
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,919
but I am all I am all a Sombra all the

620
00:23:59,159 --> 00:24:03,539
time everybody should know that but I

621
00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:07,740
think of that game as being very faction

622
00:24:03,539 --> 00:24:10,740
based and when I ran my very first LARP

623
00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:13,020
I played in several and I started alarm

624
00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:13,860
called the shadows of power the power

625
00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:16,380
yeah

626
00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:19,380
um a fun game that was exclusively

627
00:24:16,380 --> 00:24:22,380
faction based and I basically took a

628
00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:25,559
venture uh character who's the Prince of

629
00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:29,340
the City of Boston and I basically built

630
00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:31,679
businesses I took and home brewed uh

631
00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:33,000
basically character sheets for

632
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:36,179
businesses

633
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,980
that gave the businesses influences and

634
00:24:36,179 --> 00:24:40,080
they were run by various vampires and

635
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:42,600
things like that so people who worked

636
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,640
for a given business could borrow that

637
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,780
and make advice and the businesses that

638
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,360
these vampires would run they're

639
00:24:45,780 --> 00:24:51,059
actually like a group Run character and

640
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:52,500
I loved that element of it and some of

641
00:24:51,059 --> 00:24:54,659
my players interacted with that and

642
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:57,240
others did not the ones that interacted

643
00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:59,280
with that did amazing things as they

644
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,380
interacted and it was a lot of fun it

645
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,120
was uh elements of that I still bring

646
00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:05,100
into current stories outside of Empire

647
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:09,600
the Masquerade uh you know even when I

648
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:10,799
play uh a modern uh 5e based game some

649
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,659
of the businesses that were brought out

650
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,460
in that vampire I still bring those out

651
00:25:12,659 --> 00:25:16,260
and I bring out the characters and some

652
00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:18,120
of their actions I leave out the vampire

653
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:21,720
elements but I still love how that

654
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:23,640
worked and it still resonates

655
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,799
um when you're doing factions allowing

656
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,900
your players to interact with them join

657
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:31,440
them change them

658
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:33,440
um stop them in some cases uh is again

659
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,100
the greatest way to build

660
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,900
interaction

661
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:38,640
I love that you brought up vampire the

662
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:40,260
Masquerade right after Josh brought up

663
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,059
the dwarves and the elves because the

664
00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:43,140
way that the two you put it and it's

665
00:25:42,059 --> 00:25:44,940
kind of going back a little bit in the

666
00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:46,799
conversation sorry but it really really

667
00:25:44,940 --> 00:25:48,059
Illustrated the point of depth that we

668
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,980
were trying to make earlier because

669
00:25:48,059 --> 00:25:52,919
without factions

670
00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:54,480
and vampire the Masquerade vampires

671
00:25:52,919 --> 00:25:56,039
would just be

672
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,039
blood sucking fiends from the dark

673
00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,539
that's it right yeah right there they

674
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,400
would just be monsters there would be no

675
00:26:00,539 --> 00:26:04,080
Society there would be no Intrigue there

676
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,700
would be no story

677
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,799
if all of the dwarves were like Josh

678
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,760
used to see them as just dwarves they

679
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,200
all think the same because they're

680
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,080
dwarves they like Stone they like

681
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:16,320
hammers then dwarves would be super

682
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:19,500
boring you know if you didn't have

683
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:22,080
The Hearth guard if you didn't have the

684
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:23,880
miners Guild and the Crafters Guild and

685
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,000
all of those different factions of

686
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,580
Dwarven Society intermingling to create

687
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,559
a society it would just be flat

688
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:32,960
two-dimensional cardboard people with

689
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:37,020
beards

690
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:41,220
right so his his question that I wanted

691
00:26:37,020 --> 00:26:45,840
to say obviously we would hope

692
00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:48,299
typically encourage players to entwine

693
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,640
their characters with things that are

694
00:26:48,299 --> 00:26:53,220
existing in the world or help you build

695
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,919
new things to exist in the world via

696
00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:58,320
factions typically is one primary way to

697
00:26:55,919 --> 00:27:00,600
do that for those regular listeners of

698
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,000
the show especially of last episode I

699
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,419
mentioned how one of the guys in my game

700
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,919
that I play in he has made a huge very

701
00:27:06,419 --> 00:27:09,059
complicated backstory that I think is

702
00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:10,679
ripped from like three different places

703
00:27:09,059 --> 00:27:12,779
and smushed them all together and it's

704
00:27:10,679 --> 00:27:15,120
very hard to to follow so much so that

705
00:27:12,779 --> 00:27:16,640
we've had to say dude break this down

706
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,559
for us

707
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,120
he did he did send me he sent me the I

708
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,679
said can you just give us a cheat sheet

709
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,539
and he's like yeah I'll just drop you a

710
00:27:22,679 --> 00:27:26,159
couple of sentences and it was like a

711
00:27:24,539 --> 00:27:28,340
whole on my on WhatsApp it was like the

712
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:31,200
whole screen of text and I was like okay

713
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:33,360
fine when we sat down to play the other

714
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,279
day he was like oh should I send um I

715
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,659
gave download like a a cheat sheet I

716
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,340
sent that to everybody and I was like

717
00:27:36,659 --> 00:27:40,440
yeah that's everybody who needs this

718
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:41,820
help is ah like I'll get it up oh

719
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,380
there's quite a lot there isn't I didn't

720
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:45,679
realize it was that much last time I was

721
00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:48,779
like yeah dude

722
00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:49,919
there's a lot to do he's like he was a

723
00:27:48,779 --> 00:27:51,600
farmer then he was in the royal family

724
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:53,460
then he was in the knights the temple

725
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,380
Knights but then he went away and this

726
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:57,840
and the other and what I'm building to

727
00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:58,980
is that what considerations have to be

728
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,740
made then from a World building

729
00:27:58,980 --> 00:28:04,620
perspective when you start to bring in

730
00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:06,840
the players and obviously their agency

731
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:09,720
their freedom that they have which is

732
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,520
inherently chaotic to an extent

733
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,380
yeah and also from the player's

734
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,679
perspective because not to talk about

735
00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:18,059
say alignment too much because no nobody

736
00:28:16,679 --> 00:28:19,860
likes talking about that two-dimensional

737
00:28:18,059 --> 00:28:22,440
thing a huge amount but obviously there

738
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:24,120
used to be historically a framework that

739
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,559
characters would operate in and factions

740
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:27,179
kind of

741
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:29,700
are another way to provide that

742
00:28:27,179 --> 00:28:31,740
framework say you're a Harper you you

743
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:34,980
operate you know benevolently and

744
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:37,980
selflessly you know to within reason and

745
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:39,480
that again again constraints is too hard

746
00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:42,779
of a word yeah but but Frameworks

747
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:45,720
provides a set of you know parameters to

748
00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:47,279
work within so that's a two two-pronged

749
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,720
question there because you've humored me

750
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:51,419
and allowed me to Ramble On so much so

751
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,980
that I stumbled into another set of

752
00:28:51,419 --> 00:28:53,820
questioning but we'll start the first

753
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:56,279
one though from a World building

754
00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:58,740
perspective how do we handle building

755
00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:01,380
with our players factions that they are

756
00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:03,900
a part of or in some way a stakeholder

757
00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:07,500
of without kind of the world either

758
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:10,260
falling down or the player losing agency

759
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:11,520
yeah I mean I definitely have thoughts I

760
00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:13,620
think all of us have kind of like picked

761
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,440
up style uh in this in this regard but I

762
00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:19,140
came to the podcast as a very

763
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,940
collaborative Storyteller right I very

764
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:22,860
much provide some kind of big framework

765
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:26,820
in the games that I want to play and

766
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:31,740
really trust the I really trust my

767
00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:33,659
players to fill in those gaps for me so

768
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:35,700
uh to use to use your example of your

769
00:29:33,659 --> 00:29:36,659
player uh um maybe he'll listen to this

770
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:39,659
episode and he can go ahead and take

771
00:29:36,659 --> 00:29:42,539
this on but like a character who grew up

772
00:29:39,659 --> 00:29:44,100
on a farm and joined this group and then

773
00:29:42,539 --> 00:29:46,020
left that group to go to another group

774
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:47,520
like that yeah yeah I guess the easy

775
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:50,700
answers to go ahead and say unless those

776
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:53,159
groups already existed in my game I

777
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,659
would rely on them I I would steer them

778
00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:57,120
through questions to go ahead and flesh

779
00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:59,100
out like okay so that that group of

780
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,020
knights that you belonged to what was

781
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,760
their ambition what was their goal why

782
00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:05,159
were they assembled who was their Patron

783
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,260
why did you leave what was the group's

784
00:30:05,159 --> 00:30:09,659
opinion of you leaving you know the some

785
00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:11,100
real kind of uh some some leading

786
00:30:09,659 --> 00:30:12,480
questions and let them kind of Define

787
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:15,059
those and then kind of take that

788
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,220
information back and say okay so I know

789
00:30:15,059 --> 00:30:18,840
the the big Master framework the player

790
00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:21,059
has given me all these all these little

791
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,100
hooks what does this actually mean

792
00:30:21,059 --> 00:30:24,419
within the you know uh because there's

793
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,340
another faction of knights that that

794
00:30:24,419 --> 00:30:28,440
relate to it how do these two night

795
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:31,320
groups get along you know that kind of

796
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,820
thing like you know so I I think really

797
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,679
from a World building point of view

798
00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:36,360
that's how I kind of approach that

799
00:30:34,679 --> 00:30:38,760
problem is that if a player comes to me

800
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,140
and says I'm a member of this group it's

801
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,399
also on them to go ahead and flesh that

802
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:42,779
group out for me at least to go ahead

803
00:30:41,399 --> 00:30:44,880
and give me the hook so you know ask

804
00:30:42,779 --> 00:30:46,260
them you know the the the 20 questions

805
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,460
of role-playing like as if they're

806
00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:48,960
creating another character kind of like

807
00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:51,120
luanika said how he had those character

808
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,159
sheets for businesses right uh kind of

809
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,899
the same thing where it's like okay so

810
00:30:53,159 --> 00:30:57,000
tell me about this group of knights why

811
00:30:54,899 --> 00:30:59,399
did you leave you know what was it how

812
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,020
was leaving perceived you know what as

813
00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:02,760
it is it more like the Night's Watch

814
00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:04,380
from Game of Thrones or is it more like

815
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,820
the gold cloaks because even though they

816
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:07,440
have a lot of commonality they also had

817
00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:08,760
very they had really big differences

818
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,899
right so

819
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,399
um I think that's from a World building

820
00:31:09,899 --> 00:31:14,279
point of view that's that's kind of

821
00:31:11,399 --> 00:31:16,860
where my thought on it sits

822
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:18,840
and I love your style of collaborative

823
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:21,240
World building Josh some of my favorite

824
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,039
faction work uh that I've done I did by

825
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,580
lifting a page out of your book when we

826
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:28,980
were working on the uh one DND

827
00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:31,500
AP that's never going to air these days

828
00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:32,940
so so much fun yeah but for each of you

829
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,020
as you're creating your characters and

830
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:36,480
you came up with pieces of your

831
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:39,480
background by the time it was done I had

832
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:42,000
five players six players six players

833
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,520
each building a different piece of the

834
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,440
society for me because of what they tied

835
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,419
themselves to so that I did exactly what

836
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,240
you're talking about I I learned it from

837
00:31:48,419 --> 00:31:53,159
you you know was talking about his

838
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,960
family and how they were related to the

839
00:31:53,159 --> 00:31:56,940
the elf peacekeeping Force so I'm like

840
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,340
okay what does that look like who runs

841
00:31:56,940 --> 00:32:02,039
it you know yeah and it was fantastic

842
00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:05,700
and the world was coming together and to

843
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:08,279
an amazingly vibrant little Shard uh

844
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:09,779
maybe it'll get a get really relived in

845
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:12,899
some other system at some point some

846
00:32:09,779 --> 00:32:15,000
other system I beg of you please do the

847
00:32:12,899 --> 00:32:17,340
amount of fun we had with those uh with

848
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,620
those two sessions that we played should

849
00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:21,539
never be forgotten even if they don't

850
00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:22,679
air those of us who played in those

851
00:32:21,539 --> 00:32:25,440
sessions

852
00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:26,880
I can honestly tell you and I've played

853
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,340
in a lot of games for you those were

854
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:32,159
those were two of the most exciting and

855
00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:35,460
finest sessions you've run for me in 37

856
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:36,240
years of gaming period full stop do that

857
00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:38,460
again

858
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,899
even with my kerfuffle on the portals

859
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:42,000
and forcing your choice because I didn't

860
00:32:39,899 --> 00:32:44,700
plan to hey hey look thank you that's

861
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,860
our praise that kerfuffle was not nearly

862
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:49,320
as bad as some of the ones I've had

863
00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:52,320
um I think it was Matt Damon speaking

864
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,899
about Ben Affleck who said don't judge

865
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:58,140
me about my bad ideas I want you to

866
00:32:54,899 --> 00:33:00,480
judge me about the good ideas of course

867
00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:02,580
that's and that's that's how I view I

868
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,799
mean it was an amazing episode

869
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:06,659
um I think that my style Drew from a

870
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:09,059
couple of different sources it is

871
00:33:06,659 --> 00:33:11,399
clarified and improved based on the work

872
00:33:09,059 --> 00:33:12,720
that that Josh has done with us with

873
00:33:11,399 --> 00:33:15,720
tabletop Journeys over the last couple

874
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,279
years and solidifying the the framework

875
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,740
and format to collaborative World

876
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:21,240
building our first book but it is

877
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:22,679
something that I kind of been picked up

878
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,039
from a couple different storytellers

879
00:33:22,679 --> 00:33:28,620
Benito friend of our show who runs the

880
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:30,840
uh live play on you Youtube actual Play

881
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:32,580
on YouTube uh streams of Sphero and old

882
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,320
ways of sphere both of which I'm a

883
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:35,820
player in Glenn is a player in in

884
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,220
streams of Sierra

885
00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:39,779
and I will also add that that is the

886
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:43,500
person who ran the game that Josh was

887
00:33:39,779 --> 00:33:45,059
referring to the 3.5 30 and 3.5 and he

888
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:48,000
was actually doing this back in second

889
00:33:45,059 --> 00:33:49,559
edition as well where basically as your

890
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,399
character developed he would have you

891
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:55,919
interact with NPCs and then as uh a

892
00:33:53,399 --> 00:33:57,600
campaign winded down where he would then

893
00:33:55,919 --> 00:34:00,380
if you survived because not everybody

894
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:03,419
survived every campaign if you survive

895
00:34:00,380 --> 00:34:04,799
where you settled by the time we started

896
00:34:03,419 --> 00:34:07,860
the next Campaign which would generally

897
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:10,020
be 30 or 40 years later that Society

898
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:13,740
changed to be like you so your character

899
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:15,359
became the foundation for a faction and

900
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:18,720
then he worked with you in between

901
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:20,580
campaigns to develop Concepts you would

902
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:22,500
basically say he would say what are your

903
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:24,359
goals for your area if you were to build

904
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:26,040
x what would it look like and then he

905
00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:27,720
would tell you sometimes he'd make you

906
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,940
roll sometimes he'd just do things

907
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:32,040
depending what other players who did in

908
00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:35,040
their separate areas and we literally

909
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,480
built this continent with separate

910
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,580
kingdoms where many any of the

911
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,940
communities were reflections of the way

912
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:44,339
we played our previous characters

913
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:47,040
um so between that work that was

914
00:34:44,339 --> 00:34:49,919
simultaneous to what I was doing uh in

915
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,500
Vampire masquerade and the larps uh

916
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:56,040
simultaneous to where Josh was building

917
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:58,200
his style as well uh separately as Glenn

918
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,660
and I got back together and he started

919
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,940
we would run individual games we would

920
00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:05,280
have little elements of that I think of

921
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:06,480
the Thieves Guild that we played it was

922
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,800
like a Thieves Guild even though we

923
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,040
didn't think of ourselves like that

924
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,820
fists of toril which we played uh with

925
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,740
uh our first Dustin hendel uh you know

926
00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:18,660
we have always been doing these things

927
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:20,420
and uh which leads me to my general

928
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:23,880
thought which is I think

929
00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:26,339
GMS are instinctively building factions

930
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,200
they may not know it but they are

931
00:35:26,339 --> 00:35:30,000
instinctively building factions players

932
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,520
as they interact with our game

933
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,800
specifically Homebrew games are building

934
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,859
factions or interacting with factions

935
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,560
without possibly knowing it

936
00:35:37,859 --> 00:35:42,300
when you're purposeful about it that's

937
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,740
when you get a higher level of

938
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:47,280
Engagement collaborative World building

939
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:50,460
is a technique uh I take session zeros

940
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,960
to say okay even before we got rules

941
00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:53,339
like tales of the valley that broke down

942
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,619
those three elements we spoke about

943
00:35:53,339 --> 00:35:59,940
earlier I was asking those questions

944
00:35:55,619 --> 00:36:03,119
anyway uh I would take those uh bonds

945
00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:05,160
flaws ideals questions to try to get to

946
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,480
that and build that up in my current

947
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,640
games that I've been running for the

948
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,740
last four to five years

949
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,839
um I have players who like to interact

950
00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:16,859
with the world so I build factions

951
00:36:12,839 --> 00:36:19,920
around them so I have a player who uh

952
00:36:16,859 --> 00:36:23,160
brought in a a Thief character and had a

953
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,079
history so we connected that to a uh old

954
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,900
character I used to play and a faction

955
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:29,400
that I had a dream of and then as that

956
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:30,900
character interacted and wanted to do

957
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,260
different things I built that faction

958
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:36,660
around some of those ideas both as help

959
00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:40,380
and opposition to that character's goals

960
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:42,359
so her growing within the faction to

961
00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:44,460
rival her father for direction of that

962
00:36:42,359 --> 00:36:46,859
faction became important she recruited

963
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:48,420
other players into that faction they

964
00:36:46,859 --> 00:36:51,720
each are kind of doing their own thing

965
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:53,880
and now here we are 20th level and I

966
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:57,000
started this group back at sixth level

967
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,940
with this specific group 20th level I

968
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,859
gave them a year plus in downtime and I

969
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:03,359
did a bunch of rolls did it right in

970
00:37:01,859 --> 00:37:05,520
session with these characters with these

971
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:07,500
players about what they want to do I

972
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,560
have a cleric who's bringing back

973
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:14,280
religion to the area and we did roles

974
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:16,619
for every town they went to and how many

975
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,240
people were favorable and the percentage

976
00:37:16,619 --> 00:37:20,040
of people that were favorable and I got

977
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:22,859
a little granular with it but they were

978
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,740
all in I literally you know uh built up

979
00:37:22,859 --> 00:37:27,300
a cadres of NPCs which can later be

980
00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:29,520
marshal for the grand War that's going

981
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:32,220
to end this whole this whole campaign

982
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,720
you know and they and and there's

983
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:35,400
literally a situation

984
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:39,060
um not to get overly religious about it

985
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:41,700
but this single priest of of this uh

986
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:44,640
Faith walked around town by town in the

987
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:46,200
north proselytizing and and angered some

988
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,720
people in some towns so sometimes

989
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,940
they're actively against them worshiped

990
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,500
and loved in other towns and there are

991
00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:54,780
some that are but neutral but mostly

992
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:56,099
favorable and then I had that we had

993
00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:57,300
this whole section it's like I want to

994
00:37:56,099 --> 00:37:59,460
go to my hometown which happens to be

995
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,900
the headquarters for the bad guys he

996
00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:03,060
actually has a price on his head there

997
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:05,180
and we did the whole role play like he

998
00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:08,040
did stealth rolls to go in and

999
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:10,200
proselytize and and talk to people and

1000
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,839
try to build within that faction and at

1001
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,940
the end he was safe and got out but he

1002
00:38:12,839 --> 00:38:16,619
was noticed so some of the people he he

1003
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:19,500
spoke to at the end of that whole scene

1004
00:38:16,619 --> 00:38:21,839
they were martyred and now it's like

1005
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:24,540
he's on the outside his hometown his his

1006
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:25,859
mentor the character that started him on

1007
00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:28,440
his path

1008
00:38:25,859 --> 00:38:30,599
all those sessions ago a character he

1009
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,820
actually created in the building of that

1010
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:35,400
character has now been martyred because

1011
00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:37,800
he now follows the faith in the way that

1012
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,599
the character did he brought that Mentor

1013
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,540
around he was now mentoring the mentor

1014
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,940
and now that Mentor is gone and now that

1015
00:38:42,540 --> 00:38:46,140
is Galvanized him for the next step I

1016
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:47,940
can't tell you what that is because that

1017
00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:50,220
was literally our last session our next

1018
00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:52,200
session is in a couple of weeks but

1019
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:55,560
that's the kind of Engagement that you

1020
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:58,160
can get if you are a bit more purposeful

1021
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,480
about factions

1022
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,099
took me the first 15 minutes of this

1023
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,359
call to realize that I need to be more

1024
00:39:02,099 --> 00:39:07,440
purposeful about my factions um but

1025
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:08,760
maybe there'll be some resources in the

1026
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,619
future that will help me with that but

1027
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,760
um

1028
00:39:09,619 --> 00:39:16,069
there just might be

1029
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,069
[Music]

1030
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:25,140
[Music]

1031
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:28,260
one thing that I wanted to loop back

1032
00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:29,640
around to from earlier on is I think

1033
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:31,980
Josh you mentioned about how you want to

1034
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,020
just take a step away from like factions

1035
00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:36,720
basically being a synonym for the bat

1036
00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:41,460
the bad guys or all factions being bad

1037
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:43,920
guys and that is super tricky at least I

1038
00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:45,359
find because that's easy right they're

1039
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,940
back they're the bad guys that's easy

1040
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:49,980
that's you know yes it's always useful

1041
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:51,780
to have blanket bad guys at some point

1042
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:53,420
they serve a purpose but when you want

1043
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:56,400
to build these very enriched

1044
00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:58,740
three-dimensional worlds you need to

1045
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,560
build in those layers of nuance which is

1046
00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:04,680
where I I certainly find it tricky to to

1047
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:07,619
not make NPCs you know very straight all

1048
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,240
the time and very what we're extreme I

1049
00:40:07,619 --> 00:40:11,700
guess is the word you know good or bad

1050
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:13,020
it's because they're easy to do here and

1051
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,760
when I'm in the hot seat after three

1052
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:16,920
hours sometimes I want something easy to

1053
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,260
do the classic example from from The

1054
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,520
Wheel of Time right is that I'm trying

1055
00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:22,260
to remember the name of them but the the

1056
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,420
ones that dress and all white that are

1057
00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:25,859
basically chasing the magic users the

1058
00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:27,240
white cloaks the white cloaks yeah

1059
00:40:25,859 --> 00:40:28,140
exactly very creative name that I

1060
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:28,980
couldn't come up with on the top of my

1061
00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:31,500
tongue but like that's like the

1062
00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:32,940
stereotypical like I need a bad guy I

1063
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:34,740
started reading those books when I was

1064
00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:36,599
in like my freshman year of high school

1065
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:39,140
and they they didn't finish before the

1066
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,140
author died

1067
00:40:39,619 --> 00:40:45,599
carry on demo sorry no no I mean that

1068
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:48,480
that's yeah I said so I see what you're

1069
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:50,940
saying like there there is a a time and

1070
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,680
a place for those these the bad guys

1071
00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:54,240
this is what they're doing yeah they're

1072
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,280
like a force of nature almost at that

1073
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,380
point you know it's the white cloaks to

1074
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,300
be clear they aren't specifically bad

1075
00:40:58,380 --> 00:41:01,740
guys they're moral they're kind of

1076
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,720
moralists

1077
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:07,260
but not at the same time and they'll do

1078
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:08,040
a lot of bad things in pursuit of the

1079
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:11,040
light

1080
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,380
but they serve the light just in the

1081
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,060
most extreme fashion possible which is

1082
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:17,520
also a fun thing to do with factions you

1083
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:19,020
can make them kinda good we call them

1084
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,540
Star-Lord factions you know a bit of

1085
00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:23,760
both I I think the gold cloaks are a

1086
00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:26,700
great example of again they have this

1087
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,380
organization you had your you had your

1088
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:30,420
core characters at least and I'm

1089
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:31,680
speaking specifically of what we saw on

1090
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:34,260
television because I have not read the

1091
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,400
books I am not as up to speed so are you

1092
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:37,260
still on white cloaks because you said

1093
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,720
gold cloaks which takes me to the King's

1094
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:41,460
Garden I apologize I'm speaking about

1095
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,380
the white cloaks okay just want to make

1096
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:45,480
sure you weren't jumping factions no no

1097
00:41:43,380 --> 00:41:48,599
I'm still on the white cloaks

1098
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,579
um but again you saw the fear on the

1099
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:52,680
eyes of the characters who should have

1100
00:41:50,579 --> 00:41:54,780
known them in their backgrounds very

1101
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,160
well done like I knew instantly just

1102
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:58,740
from the way the actors portrayed the

1103
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:02,280
characters this is a concern

1104
00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:04,980
oh yes auditorially there was music that

1105
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,960
that led to we should be concerned those

1106
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:08,400
characters who were not in the know were

1107
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,260
looking at the characters who were in

1108
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,720
The know and you could see that okay

1109
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:14,940
what are we doing here and you got that

1110
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,560
don't say anything I don't even remember

1111
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:18,540
if the words were said is don't say

1112
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,460
anything we got to get out of this and

1113
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:23,119
we gotta like get out of here quickly

1114
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:25,740
like that was very clear and well done

1115
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,079
but then when it came down to showing

1116
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:29,820
how

1117
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:33,660
militant and how dangerous they could be

1118
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:36,240
they focused extreme one character and I

1119
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:39,240
don't remember that character's name but

1120
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,260
it was clear in almost the same way you

1121
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,839
had

1122
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:44,339
um and I can't remember his last name I

1123
00:42:42,839 --> 00:42:46,859
believe his first name is Daniel but you

1124
00:42:44,339 --> 00:42:49,079
had that one bad guy that was chasing

1125
00:42:46,859 --> 00:42:52,260
Captain Mal and Firefly you had that one

1126
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:54,780
guy who represented the entity that the

1127
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:57,839
the player characters are against or the

1128
00:42:54,780 --> 00:43:00,020
heroes or specifically from Serenity the

1129
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:05,220
movie the capped Firefly yeah

1130
00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:07,500
yeah the agent and you got to see the

1131
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:09,420
facets of him you got to see kind of

1132
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:11,400
elements of where he might be right but

1133
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:14,099
elements of where he was clearly wrong

1134
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,780
you got to see him he didn't do it too

1135
00:43:14,099 --> 00:43:17,220
though he's like yeah I'm not good

1136
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:18,960
enough for the society I'm trying to

1137
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:20,880
help create because of the things I have

1138
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,980
to do you know like he was a great bad

1139
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,700
guy yeah he was exceptionally well

1140
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:29,940
played uh you see that in elements of uh

1141
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:32,040
Namor in wakanda Forever there's no

1142
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:34,560
doubt in the way that was portrayed that

1143
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,839
name or was was a good guy he knew he

1144
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,940
wasn't doing good things but he knew

1145
00:43:36,839 --> 00:43:41,220
what he was doing was necessary for what

1146
00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:45,480
he for his goals and for the goals of

1147
00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:47,400
his people and playing that in a game uh

1148
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,599
as long as you've covered those bases in

1149
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,880
your sessions here and that's what

1150
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:52,560
everybody's on board for

1151
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,240
absolutely

1152
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,240
powerful Magic

1153
00:43:54,240 --> 00:44:00,000
powerful magic and stories that nobody's

1154
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:01,740
forgetting I just think that the way to

1155
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,599
kind of look at that as I look at

1156
00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:07,740
factions can fall into really three

1157
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:10,440
categories enemies benefactors and other

1158
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:12,000
things and and within those they break

1159
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,040
down in different ways there's different

1160
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,599
ways to display them

1161
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,740
um but when I but I think we're talking

1162
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,740
about

1163
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:22,440
um you know uh for benefactors they can

1164
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:24,540
be Quest givers they can be tools for

1165
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,000
aiding the players that's who they go to

1166
00:44:24,540 --> 00:44:29,760
it's the guy who runs the magic shop in

1167
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:32,700
Vox Machina uh while it's one individual

1168
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,500
you can have a faction like that where

1169
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:36,000
basically there's a shop in every place

1170
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:38,160
they've got a card where they've made

1171
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,839
friends with them at lower tiers so now

1172
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,579
wherever they go in the world is a

1173
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:44,160
branch out from their region they can

1174
00:44:41,579 --> 00:44:46,200
seek help from this group there's

1175
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,880
different ways to do that and they're

1176
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,099
all viable and good you just kind of

1177
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,980
have to think about that when I think

1178
00:44:50,099 --> 00:44:54,900
about benefactor factions I think about

1179
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:57,960
the show the Nevers which is show that

1180
00:44:54,900 --> 00:45:00,000
tragically lived not long enough but um

1181
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,220
with uh with with prudence and Amalia

1182
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,859
true like what they're trying to do with

1183
00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:06,720
finding all these people that have these

1184
00:45:04,859 --> 00:45:08,760
special abilities and giving them a

1185
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,859
place to be in a place to live away from

1186
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,480
away from society where they will be

1187
00:45:10,859 --> 00:45:14,760
judged and where they will be hunted

1188
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,960
down for the most part right like that I

1189
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,160
think of what they're trying to do and

1190
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,020
the faction that they're building in

1191
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,540
that sort of benefactory way

1192
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:22,980
I gotta say I'm gonna cut off on a

1193
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:24,540
tangent just for a second for those only

1194
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:27,180
listening to the show and not watching

1195
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:29,940
the video Lee wanika had a his

1196
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:31,500
prepared a notepad and pen and paper for

1197
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:33,300
the episode which is the first time in

1198
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:35,220
the history of the show and the guest

1199
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:38,160
has shown me

1200
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:40,680
their preparation on on the camera so I

1201
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,180
just I'm just so happy right now well

1202
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,920
sometimes he needs Kudos and while we're

1203
00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:45,359
kudoing him I have a Kudo to give him

1204
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,859
too because a little while ago you were

1205
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:48,660
talking about Benito and how great he

1206
00:45:46,859 --> 00:45:50,640
was for the way that he plays things in

1207
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:52,859
World builds and Carries characters on

1208
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,119
into next Generations and you do that

1209
00:45:52,859 --> 00:45:56,700
all the time which is great because

1210
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:58,200
Bonito is a fantastic DM Benito when you

1211
00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:59,640
listen to this no shade is cast towards

1212
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,680
you whatsoever in these statements

1213
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,980
you're you're fantastic

1214
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,839
but lewanika often serves himself a

1215
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:08,280
little bit lower than he should because

1216
00:46:06,839 --> 00:46:11,040
my friend you've been doing that same

1217
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,500
stuff since before you met Benito the

1218
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,240
games that you and Marty ran populated

1219
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:17,900
the world that I played in later with

1220
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:21,240
you my characters like Anna camera fist

1221
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:23,280
continued on and became Center the

1222
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,940
center of a religious community in your

1223
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,220
world

1224
00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:29,460
before that so don't sell yourself short

1225
00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:32,160
my friend you are fantastic you you your

1226
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:33,720
style evolved with your mind and a lot

1227
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,099
of the rest and a lot of the a lot of

1228
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,319
the rest of us and Benito may have been

1229
00:46:35,099 --> 00:46:40,500
an influence but you were already a

1230
00:46:37,319 --> 00:46:41,880
great DM I I like to think of those were

1231
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:44,520
the kinds of things I wanted to do

1232
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,380
because I am a fan of media whether it

1233
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,319
be reading books

1234
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:50,880
um Tolkien at the time dragonlance was

1235
00:46:49,319 --> 00:46:54,119
fresh at the time that Marty and I were

1236
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:56,099
dming and playing uh initially Marty and

1237
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:58,380
I played solo like Marty would DM for me

1238
00:46:56,099 --> 00:47:00,180
I have a DM for him and we built that

1239
00:46:58,380 --> 00:47:02,520
world that way and then it was later on

1240
00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:04,500
where we connected with others and built

1241
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,780
a group and we started playing I moved

1242
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,920
to Maine to go to college I built a

1243
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:09,660
group that played in that world while

1244
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,520
Marty was running Glenn and several

1245
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:14,839
others in that group down south it was

1246
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:18,900
my first foray into uh two DMS

1247
00:47:14,839 --> 00:47:21,060
co-running uh Campaign World uh and uh

1248
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:23,400
it had its challenges we weren't great

1249
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:25,800
at it but we learned and we evolved so I

1250
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,800
think the idea is were there what I got

1251
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:31,319
was refinement through every stage of my

1252
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,900
tabletop role-playing history

1253
00:47:31,319 --> 00:47:35,940
um yes you know where we all did where I

1254
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:38,819
started get was refined by some of Ben

1255
00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:41,819
Benito's early work uh then when I got

1256
00:47:38,819 --> 00:47:45,599
into LARP going to games that Josh ran

1257
00:47:41,819 --> 00:47:48,660
going to games that were run by Adam uh

1258
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:50,760
scaramella uh and playing in Haven and

1259
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:53,700
just running just being a part of some

1260
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:56,579
of the factions that Adam ran I learned

1261
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:59,160
a lot Heaven helped me if I leave out my

1262
00:47:56,579 --> 00:48:02,099
dear friend Jamie and how she ran the

1263
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,800
guru group part of uh Darkness down east

1264
00:48:02,099 --> 00:48:07,200
the LARP that Josh uh and Sheldon

1265
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,119
another friend of our show ran I would

1266
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,579
be absolutely remiss everything I knew

1267
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:14,880
about playing Guru I learned really from

1268
00:48:11,579 --> 00:48:16,319
Jamie and Chris at the time both dear

1269
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,660
friends I'm still in contact with and

1270
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:21,000
communicate with them regularly uh I

1271
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:22,800
learned there and I have brought all

1272
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,880
those elements from all these desperate

1273
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,319
games into what I do even me uh building

1274
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,819
character sheets for businesses I

1275
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:31,980
actually got that from Palladium that's

1276
00:48:29,819 --> 00:48:33,540
something Palladium did in ninjas and

1277
00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:35,880
super spies when we used to play that

1278
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:37,740
game they said if you're ninjas and

1279
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,859
super spies you're working against an

1280
00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:42,960
organization so they had a template for

1281
00:48:40,859 --> 00:48:44,640
building an organization that's

1282
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,680
shorthand for faction

1283
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,200
because many of the things were about

1284
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,540
the people that operated they Palladium

1285
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,800
being what it is is very mechanical so a

1286
00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:54,900
lot of it was how much money do you have

1287
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,640
to spend on a project

1288
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,960
um a lot of it was what kind of vehicles

1289
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,040
do you have what kind of weapons do you

1290
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,480
have what kind of training do people

1291
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,980
have oh what kind of equipment do people

1292
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,839
have but there were also what kind of

1293
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:05,520
direction are you going in some of that

1294
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:07,560
was left to narrative you write it in

1295
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,020
but they gave this nice template

1296
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,540
versions of that I have ported into

1297
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:14,940
other games and built character sheets

1298
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:17,339
uh for that it is not dissimilar to what

1299
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:18,960
Star Trek does with its ships the ship

1300
00:49:17,339 --> 00:49:22,440
is a character

1301
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,440
and it has a mission profile your ship

1302
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:28,020
in in a D20 system like Star Trek

1303
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:32,040
modifiers uh or Star Trek Adventures uh

1304
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:33,420
RPG is a faction if you think about the

1305
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,819
Enterprise crew interacting with another

1306
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:38,760
crew again I'm going to go back to DS9

1307
00:49:35,819 --> 00:49:40,980
my favorite Star Trek show when the

1308
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,740
Vulcan Starfleet ship showed up what did

1309
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:46,579
they do they played a baseball game

1310
00:49:43,740 --> 00:49:49,440
because they were two different factions

1311
00:49:46,579 --> 00:49:53,339
that had a rivalry

1312
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:55,740
that's amazing and we can do that in our

1313
00:49:53,339 --> 00:49:57,839
games uh literally and figuratively I

1314
00:49:55,740 --> 00:49:59,880
have ideas for the Star Trek actual play

1315
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:01,859
alongside but that's a great episode

1316
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:04,260
actually it's actually one of my

1317
00:50:01,859 --> 00:50:06,540
favorites not not not the least of which

1318
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:08,819
the the team was the Niners uh and I

1319
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:11,160
love the San Francisco 49ers

1320
00:50:08,819 --> 00:50:14,579
um you know of course there's that but

1321
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,619
again like when we talk about factions

1322
00:50:14,579 --> 00:50:19,619
there are so many different ways to

1323
00:50:16,619 --> 00:50:22,079
slice that apple and all of them are

1324
00:50:19,619 --> 00:50:24,180
viable all of them are good like any

1325
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:26,819
soup you don't want all of them in one

1326
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:29,099
soup but you can pick and choose which

1327
00:50:26,819 --> 00:50:30,780
ones you need for your group and if you

1328
00:50:29,099 --> 00:50:33,839
use techniques like the collaborative

1329
00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:35,900
role building if you use processes like

1330
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:38,579
doing a session zero

1331
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:40,619
your players will let you know what

1332
00:50:38,579 --> 00:50:42,359
they're in for and then you can decide

1333
00:50:40,619 --> 00:50:44,400
the types of factions that make sense

1334
00:50:42,359 --> 00:50:46,079
for the overall game you were looking at

1335
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,260
or wanted to create

1336
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:51,599
the specific players at your table and

1337
00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:53,160
what they want and then as a game master

1338
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,980
just pay attention as you're playing

1339
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:58,140
they evolve their characters change the

1340
00:50:55,980 --> 00:51:00,180
circumstances maybe they decide they

1341
00:50:58,140 --> 00:51:02,940
want to know more about

1342
00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:05,339
the the uh the monk order that they left

1343
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:08,220
at the top of the mountain now you've

1344
00:51:05,339 --> 00:51:10,140
got a great Quest Arc or we're gonna go

1345
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:11,339
back to that mountain what's happened to

1346
00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:12,420
that mountain in the interim was there

1347
00:51:11,339 --> 00:51:15,000
another faction that the player

1348
00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:16,859
character didn't necessarily uh mention

1349
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,180
early on but you could talk to them if

1350
00:51:16,859 --> 00:51:20,520
they were going to have a rival what

1351
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:22,079
would they look like and and then you

1352
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,599
can build that yourself using whatever

1353
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:26,460
format you want and now there's a

1354
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:28,500
conflict for them to go to go back to so

1355
00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:30,780
he can get back involved with his people

1356
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:32,579
and then the questions of why did you

1357
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:34,260
leave how do you feel about your leaving

1358
00:51:32,579 --> 00:51:37,859
how do they feel about your leaving

1359
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:40,500
makes sense literature is bereft with

1360
00:51:37,859 --> 00:51:42,300
examples of but you left us at our hour

1361
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:45,119
of need and now you're back and you want

1362
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:47,099
help that is one of the greatest most

1363
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,300
tropey things that happens in all of

1364
00:51:47,099 --> 00:51:52,200
fiction

1365
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:55,020
but it works almost every time and even

1366
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,780
if it the rest of it's bad that works

1367
00:51:55,020 --> 00:52:00,180
well because we all relate to it we all

1368
00:51:57,780 --> 00:52:02,520
relate to I went back to high school I

1369
00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:04,319
got to my high school graduation I went

1370
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,720
and finally got connected with my old

1371
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:09,300
boy scout troop I

1372
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:11,640
was back in my old neighborhood one time

1373
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:13,859
too many and there's the friend that I

1374
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,599
no longer hang out with we're still

1375
00:52:13,859 --> 00:52:17,700
friends ish

1376
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:19,319
but is there a resentment because I got

1377
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:21,059
out and he didn't

1378
00:52:19,319 --> 00:52:22,619
those are the kinds of things that

1379
00:52:21,059 --> 00:52:24,540
really can come out and play and because

1380
00:52:22,619 --> 00:52:27,180
people connect with that on an internal

1381
00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:32,400
and visceral Real World level

1382
00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:35,220
that really uh adds vibrant color to

1383
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,960
what you see at the table absolutely I

1384
00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:39,000
don't know if I'm glad you had something

1385
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,680
this you wanted to I did the downside

1386
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,540
being that it's very difficult to play

1387
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,640
off of the things that Lee wanika says

1388
00:52:42,540 --> 00:52:45,960
but this never stops and it was about a

1389
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,079
super comic which was like 10 minutes

1390
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,119
ago so it won't make any sense go for it

1391
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:53,099
go for it I'll I'll cut in the soup

1392
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,960
comment here and then check for the

1393
00:52:53,099 --> 00:52:57,079
listeners it's it's just like that you

1394
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,079
know

1395
00:52:57,420 --> 00:53:02,760
when we talk about factions there are so

1396
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,579
many different ways to slice that apple

1397
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,740
and all of them are viable all of them

1398
00:53:05,579 --> 00:53:10,079
are good like any soup you don't want

1399
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:12,960
all of them in one soup but you can pick

1400
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:15,200
and choose which ones you need for your

1401
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,200
group

1402
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:18,180
well I like that you brought up the soup

1403
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,559
of the ingredients thing because it was

1404
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:21,240
a way for me to segue to the fact that

1405
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:23,700
you can have factions within factions

1406
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,680
too they don't have to stay static in

1407
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:28,020
that nation in that notion either so you

1408
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,819
could have tomato bisque sitting beside

1409
00:53:28,020 --> 00:53:31,800
lobster bisque and they're very similar

1410
00:53:29,819 --> 00:53:34,380
except for a few of the ingredients and

1411
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,059
and them and those could produce two

1412
00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:37,319
different factions but you get to a stew

1413
00:53:36,059 --> 00:53:38,339
and it's got all of those ingredients

1414
00:53:37,319 --> 00:53:40,740
some of them are going to have different

1415
00:53:38,339 --> 00:53:41,940
opinions too

1416
00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:44,460
um and the example I'm going to bring

1417
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:45,960
goes back into TV shows again because

1418
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:47,819
you know that's where we draw a lot of

1419
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:51,300
inspiration and those stories help

1420
00:53:47,819 --> 00:53:52,559
Inspire uh well thoughts and during the

1421
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,760
middle of podcasts while we're chatting

1422
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:59,579
too so going back to Shadow and Bone

1423
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:01,200
the nation of ravka has the Grisha and

1424
00:53:59,579 --> 00:54:03,300
the non-grecious citizens right so

1425
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,559
that's already two factions then when

1426
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:06,119
you go into their military they've got

1427
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,280
first Army second Army where that

1428
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:10,200
continues but inside second Army inside

1429
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,240
the Grisha themselves

1430
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,800
you have all of the different types of

1431
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:16,260
Grisha they're all their own factions

1432
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,599
with their own Styles and agendas

1433
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:20,760
between the heart renders and the

1434
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:22,020
durists and the tailors just based on

1435
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,640
their their powers their power

1436
00:54:22,020 --> 00:54:26,400
structures and how they can help Society

1437
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:29,099
they almost have their own ranking

1438
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,160
for usefulness to the darkling in there

1439
00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:34,500
you know for them for each each faction

1440
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:36,599
and having all of those separate pieces

1441
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:39,420
combined with the costuming and the way

1442
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:40,859
that the the show a lot of it was

1443
00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:42,540
already set up in the book but the show

1444
00:54:40,859 --> 00:54:44,640
really really brought the brought the

1445
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:46,859
world to life with the costuming and the

1446
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,940
way that they really uh developed each

1447
00:54:46,859 --> 00:54:52,380
of the

1448
00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:55,200
sex and the caftas that they wear but

1449
00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:58,559
each of those individual

1450
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,599
orders within the Grisha help bring it

1451
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:02,220
to life and help make it more than it is

1452
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:05,819
it helped make it more than just an army

1453
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:08,640
of magic users uh and it it's

1454
00:55:05,819 --> 00:55:11,099
all about how macro versus micro you

1455
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,960
want to go if you start out really macro

1456
00:55:11,099 --> 00:55:14,339
you're looking at the nation level even

1457
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,020
within a government there's going to be

1458
00:55:14,339 --> 00:55:17,700
different factions so don't forget that

1459
00:55:16,020 --> 00:55:18,900
when you're working on your worlds you

1460
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:20,880
know you're going to have different

1461
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:24,240
political parties each of those is going

1462
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,339
to be a faction and each

1463
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:28,619
section or faction of your world is

1464
00:55:26,339 --> 00:55:29,760
going to have further divides in it your

1465
00:55:28,619 --> 00:55:31,260
military is going to have multiple

1466
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,700
factions in it because there's going to

1467
00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:34,740
be more than likely multiple branches

1468
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:36,180
all you need is an army and a Navy now

1469
00:55:34,740 --> 00:55:38,520
you got two factions that's that's all

1470
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:39,839
it takes yeah so it really is a broad

1471
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,119
topic and it

1472
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:43,619
branches down and drills down the

1473
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,540
further you go deeper and deeper into

1474
00:55:43,619 --> 00:55:47,700
your Society you know all the way down

1475
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:49,200
to the you can have different factions

1476
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:51,359
in a neighborhood if you really want to

1477
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,780
yeah the only other thing that I will

1478
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:58,020
say on on and I think you you cracked

1479
00:55:54,780 --> 00:56:01,079
open this topic in a huge way you'd also

1480
00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:02,700
mentioned the concept of rival factions

1481
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:04,859
right and just to go ahead and bring

1482
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:06,359
like a source that folks can use like

1483
00:56:04,859 --> 00:56:08,400
you know yes watch all of Shadow and

1484
00:56:06,359 --> 00:56:10,260
Bone watch all of every show that Star

1485
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,079
Trek ever did you know watch Firefly

1486
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:15,540
watch all these things or you know and

1487
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:17,520
uh one book that I can recommend uh is

1488
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:18,720
the way that Rivals were handled in the

1489
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,020
call of the nether deep book that

1490
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:24,240
Wizards put out last year yes

1491
00:56:21,020 --> 00:56:26,640
the whole yeah the whole plot is that

1492
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:29,339
your party is trying to do a thing and

1493
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:32,220
there is a rival party that is trying to

1494
00:56:29,339 --> 00:56:33,900
do the thing too and so the entire plot

1495
00:56:32,220 --> 00:56:35,400
kind of circles not only around the

1496
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,020
thing that you're trying to do but also

1497
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,599
how do you interact with this rival

1498
00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:41,339
faction like this group of Rivals do you

1499
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,380
try to to befriend them do they try to

1500
00:56:41,339 --> 00:56:45,359
befriend you do you work together in any

1501
00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:46,740
way or are they always against you it

1502
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:49,020
really kind of plays into that

1503
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:51,180
progression to go ahead and so if you're

1504
00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:53,880
looking for like a concrete way to bring

1505
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:56,460
a small faction uh and specifically to

1506
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,380
go ahead and pit some some uh a group of

1507
00:56:56,460 --> 00:57:03,300
Rivals against you that's a fantastic

1508
00:56:58,380 --> 00:57:05,460
template I think like I would say

1509
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:08,819
that it's important to always keep in

1510
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:11,579
mind start small show don't tell and

1511
00:57:08,819 --> 00:57:12,900
build if you take the general uh and I'm

1512
00:57:11,579 --> 00:57:14,700
going to go to 5e if you take the

1513
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:16,920
general tier structure which actually

1514
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:19,559
goes beyond 5V in any game that has a

1515
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,720
leveling system this is probably fairly

1516
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:23,819
accurate uh though the specific number

1517
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,980
may not be at fifth level at 10th level

1518
00:57:23,819 --> 00:57:28,680
or what have you but generally there's

1519
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:31,020
tears of play when you start in your

1520
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:34,200
tier one you're talking local

1521
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:38,400
uh in a city game it's your neighborhood

1522
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:41,579
or even your block you know in a uh in a

1523
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,380
nationwide game it might be your town

1524
00:57:41,579 --> 00:57:45,420
um but you start local when you're in

1525
00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:47,760
that level your faction should really be

1526
00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:50,460
more about that you can mention larger

1527
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,880
factions you can mention the Lord may be

1528
00:57:50,460 --> 00:57:56,819
beholden to X or his son joined group y

1529
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,140
or Z but at your local level you don't

1530
00:57:56,819 --> 00:58:00,720
want to bring in those things because

1531
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:03,000
it's over wielding it's unmatched to

1532
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,220
what the players experience should be at

1533
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,200
that level so be focused on what they're

1534
00:58:05,220 --> 00:58:10,380
handling once they've moved into that

1535
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:13,559
next tier open that up let them handle

1536
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:15,960
more threats uh let them get away from

1537
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:19,440
necessarily monster of the week and let

1538
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:23,400
them handle more uh smaller arcs that

1539
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:25,740
involve improving defeating or joining a

1540
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,140
given faction and having more of that

1541
00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:31,859
Regional Focus again in the city game

1542
00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:34,440
you might be talking a borough of the

1543
00:58:31,859 --> 00:58:36,359
city if it's a large enough City or if

1544
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,640
you're again in a nation game it might

1545
00:58:36,359 --> 00:58:41,339
be the entire County and I'm going to

1546
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,200
use the English version of County we

1547
00:58:41,339 --> 00:58:44,339
here would call them States or what have

1548
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,400
you but

1549
00:58:44,339 --> 00:58:49,020
um your county might be the region

1550
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,700
you're talking about and then when you

1551
00:58:49,020 --> 00:58:54,480
get into the next level now we're

1552
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:57,119
talking Nationwide uh and now you but as

1553
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,760
you go your piece of a faction may have

1554
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:02,700
always been a part of the larger faction

1555
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,500
which is a part of the larger faction so

1556
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:06,119
you're growing your power within your

1557
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:08,400
organization

1558
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:10,440
um you can do great things uh even

1559
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,819
though it's not built into the 5e game I

1560
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,619
strongly recommend letting your

1561
00:59:11,819 --> 00:59:16,980
characters get Sidekicks who run

1562
00:59:13,619 --> 00:59:19,140
followers borrow from 3.5 just use the

1563
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:20,400
sidekick the follower mechanics as

1564
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:22,200
though you had the feet you don't have

1565
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,960
to give them a fee I would recommend

1566
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,880
doing so but run it as though they had

1567
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,619
the dang feat and it's what they're

1568
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,940
being charging is so powerful that's

1569
00:59:28,619 --> 00:59:32,880
what made it so powerful is that

1570
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:35,579
leadership came with up to 20 in your

1571
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,780
retinue yeah I mean cannon fodder for

1572
00:59:35,579 --> 00:59:38,280
the most part right like you could use

1573
00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:40,079
them for whatever you wanted yeah

1574
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,540
everybody needs some red shirts yeah you

1575
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:45,480
know but you could literally build these

1576
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:47,700
things uh putting these mechanics

1577
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,500
whether you do it very directly like I'm

1578
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,520
going to create a feat for this or

1579
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:52,020
you're just gonna say I'm going to use

1580
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,000
this mechanic and roll it that's kind of

1581
00:59:52,020 --> 00:59:56,339
what I did when I described what I did

1582
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,740
earlier is like I'm basically using the

1583
00:59:56,339 --> 01:00:00,540
same mechanism for the for the for the

1584
00:59:58,740 --> 01:00:02,640
leadership fee and I'm just rolling it

1585
01:00:00,540 --> 01:00:06,180
all out but it that's what I was doing

1586
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,920
it was like if you're at 20th level and

1587
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:10,260
you have this level of power and this

1588
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,099
level of influence people will follow

1589
01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:13,980
you

1590
01:00:11,099 --> 01:00:16,079
there's a reason rightly or wrongly a

1591
01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:17,640
popular athlete in in high school has

1592
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:19,200
people that still remember them and talk

1593
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,180
to them and talk about it to this day

1594
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,799
there's a reason for the following them

1595
01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:25,260
around the halls in Giant Circles and

1596
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:26,700
girls yeah you know now we would want

1597
01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:28,200
them to be better people that's what

1598
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:31,200
we're hoping our players will be but

1599
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:33,420
that's not always the case right so but

1600
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,819
I think that that's the way you do it

1601
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:37,980
you build into the factions as you go

1602
01:00:35,819 --> 01:00:39,660
and you give them the factions that they

1603
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:42,960
have the ability to influence interact

1604
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:45,900
with appropriate to their level

1605
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:48,839
that lifting back the fog when you hit

1606
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:50,579
that tear thing is such a powerful piece

1607
01:00:48,839 --> 01:00:53,040
of narrative like having the players

1608
01:00:50,579 --> 01:00:55,980
have been fighting against some group of

1609
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:59,040
of individuals some force and then they

1610
01:00:55,980 --> 01:01:00,660
finally finish that Arc that chapter and

1611
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,920
then the rest of the fog of War reveals

1612
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:04,440
the rest of the map the rest of the

1613
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:08,160
nation and it's like oh that was just

1614
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:10,619
one sect of this whole other big thing

1615
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,240
is such a powerful like oh okay that was

1616
01:01:10,619 --> 01:01:14,460
just the training wheels right now we're

1617
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,980
here there's what have we done have we

1618
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:19,079
just pissed off like an actual big thing

1619
01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:21,480
it's such a powerful uh you know

1620
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:22,920
narrative beat there and

1621
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,000
I wanted to jump off the back of what

1622
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,140
you were just saying there and I think

1623
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,540
you mentioned it before about how you

1624
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:29,160
did a lot of learning I think we all

1625
01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:31,079
have you know you get better as you as

1626
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,720
you GM and play more

1627
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:35,460
and I think it's very very very fair

1628
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:38,160
to say

1629
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:40,440
when there are newer GMS or when you are

1630
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,359
just cutting your teeth at it it

1631
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,480
absolutely start with those more

1632
01:01:42,359 --> 01:01:48,299
two-dimensional factions like have the

1633
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,980
bad guys be the bad guys absolutely wet

1634
01:01:48,299 --> 01:01:52,079
the whistle on that but then you can

1635
01:01:49,980 --> 01:01:54,119
pepper in just one one person who's

1636
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:56,640
ostensibly of that faction but it's

1637
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,740
actually like I'm having second thoughts

1638
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:01,020
because beheading all these innocent

1639
01:01:58,740 --> 01:02:03,299
people seems wrong to me and then that's

1640
01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:05,760
you've already set the seat then to be

1641
01:02:03,299 --> 01:02:07,260
like well he's there are the dissenters

1642
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,940
within that faction and maybe we can

1643
01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:10,319
build on that and then just like how

1644
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:11,640
leeway you're saying you know you can

1645
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:14,099
build it up through the tears you can

1646
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:16,319
start with something like that and then

1647
01:02:14,099 --> 01:02:18,420
just just spit it out from there about

1648
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:19,680
how how in Game of Thrones when Joffrey

1649
01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:24,059
was King

1650
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:27,540
the more things he did that were extreme

1651
01:02:24,059 --> 01:02:30,780
and brutal and uncalled for the more

1652
01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:33,359
people in his retinue and the closer the

1653
01:02:30,780 --> 01:02:36,059
the the people who were closer to him

1654
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:39,599
started to think ah maybe Joffrey's not

1655
01:02:36,059 --> 01:02:41,819
who we want on the throne how do we fix

1656
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:43,920
this we have we have now got ourselves

1657
01:02:41,819 --> 01:02:46,559
into some [ __ ] how do we get ourselves

1658
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,559
out he seemed a perfect candidate I was

1659
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:53,119
horribly upset when they killed him

1660
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:56,579
I was horribly upset they took that long

1661
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:58,740
he needed to go no shade towards the

1662
01:02:56,579 --> 01:03:00,480
actor the actor's brilliant I thought he

1663
01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:02,540
did a great job I'm never gonna be able

1664
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:07,020
to work again

1665
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:09,000
uh you know I I also think about uh

1666
01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:10,980
newer GMS and as they do this and you're

1667
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:14,520
right building in that that loot either

1668
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:16,859
a lieutenant or that new guy who's like

1669
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,260
man I'm just not down for this this is

1670
01:03:16,859 --> 01:03:21,480
not what I signed on for makes sense you

1671
01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:23,700
know DS design had Demar working with

1672
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,680
standing alongside galta cop for a long

1673
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:27,240
time and if you do a re-watch of those

1674
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:30,420
episodes you'll see a lot of that

1675
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:32,460
actor's side glances and looks like this

1676
01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:34,920
is what we're doing now and he may have

1677
01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:38,819
gone on for it in the earlier seasons

1678
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:40,380
but as you got towards the end his I'm

1679
01:03:38,819 --> 01:03:42,059
breaking away from gold to God I'm

1680
01:03:40,380 --> 01:03:45,599
breaking away from the Dominion I'm

1681
01:03:42,059 --> 01:03:48,599
forming a resistance on cardassia Prime

1682
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:52,619
was not a stretch it would it surprised

1683
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:54,660
no one because of that little bit of

1684
01:03:52,619 --> 01:03:58,799
work that was done in the quote unquote

1685
01:03:54,660 --> 01:04:00,660
earlier tears uh of play where it was a

1686
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:03,359
glance it was a comment like can't we do

1687
01:04:00,660 --> 01:04:06,900
this instead no we're gonna do this

1688
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:11,040
okay that's the kind of thing that that

1689
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:13,319
really works in a in a in a game and

1690
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,059
again it's a show don't tell if you get

1691
01:04:13,319 --> 01:04:17,040
to those climactic moments in your

1692
01:04:15,059 --> 01:04:19,260
fourth tier play uh if you've got a

1693
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,579
group that's uh blessed enough and

1694
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:22,740
worked hard enough because it's hard

1695
01:04:20,579 --> 01:04:24,359
work to get to a fourth tier play for

1696
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:26,520
everyone involved if you're blessed

1697
01:04:24,359 --> 01:04:28,200
enough to get to that point and there's

1698
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,760
something that a faction does that's a

1699
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,740
surprise you've missed some

1700
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,480
opportunities along the way don't be

1701
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:35,819
scared of it do what you got to do to

1702
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:38,640
make your story go but again if we're

1703
01:04:35,819 --> 01:04:41,579
being purposeful now we kind of can talk

1704
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,079
about and we can learn and our goal of

1705
01:04:41,579 --> 01:04:45,480
tabletop Journeys is to help provide

1706
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:48,180
those tools and those techniques to get

1707
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,280
you there so that you are a little bit

1708
01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:52,680
more purposeful in the early echelons of

1709
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,480
this process so that that new DM who's

1710
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,700
starting with the tier one they're

1711
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,079
building characters at level two uh

1712
01:04:56,700 --> 01:05:00,780
before anybody even gets their

1713
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:02,520
subclasses or right at level three when

1714
01:05:00,780 --> 01:05:04,680
they are starting with their subclasses

1715
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,540
we're going to give we want to be able

1716
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,160
to talk in ways that give them

1717
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:09,180
techniques that they can use right then

1718
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,520
and there

1719
01:05:09,180 --> 01:05:13,079
so that as that group grows and they

1720
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,299
have that engagement all along which

1721
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:17,700
will help make that hard work easier and

1722
01:05:15,299 --> 01:05:19,980
they get to those climactic moments it's

1723
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:21,359
going to really pay off for them and

1724
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:22,740
we're we're talking about helping people

1725
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:24,000
who are starting out and saying when you

1726
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:26,099
are starting out you know work with the

1727
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,920
two-dimensional work with work with

1728
01:05:26,099 --> 01:05:30,720
factions that already exist if you're

1729
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,520
when you're first trying to learn how to

1730
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,839
do this especially when you're looking

1731
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,640
at

1732
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:37,230
something really abstract like okay

1733
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,900
creative action go

1734
01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:41,880
[Laughter]

1735
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:43,680
what goes in a faction you know it's

1736
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,839
hard to just come up with everything on

1737
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,640
your own off the gut so look at the

1738
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:49,500
resources that are out there you know

1739
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,299
the Harpers come up a number of times in

1740
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:52,500
Forgotten Realms there's a bunch of

1741
01:05:51,299 --> 01:05:54,839
different things you can go through one

1742
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:58,140
of the things I would recommend is

1743
01:05:54,839 --> 01:06:00,180
actually the adventures League Guide to

1744
01:05:58,140 --> 01:06:02,460
the factions of fair run document it's

1745
01:06:00,180 --> 01:06:04,200
not terribly long but it takes the

1746
01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:06,599
factions of fair run and breaks them

1747
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,640
down individually into their ranks and

1748
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:10,020
uh what happened what can happen in the

1749
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,059
different ranks toolkits you can learn

1750
01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:14,579
from them goals of the faction and it

1751
01:06:12,059 --> 01:06:16,260
gives you a template I'm not saying use

1752
01:06:14,579 --> 01:06:18,119
the Harpers in your world I'm saying

1753
01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:21,180
find something to use as a template to

1754
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:22,799
help you think of the things and create

1755
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:25,740
them as you go so you don't forget to

1756
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:28,020
come up with a name for each rank or

1757
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:29,460
specific goals or you know any of the

1758
01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:31,740
little pieces that you need to help it

1759
01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:33,359
come to life borrow from another source

1760
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:34,859
and make it your own is a really good

1761
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:36,780
way to get started and then you kind of

1762
01:06:34,859 --> 01:06:38,099
build from there if you're if you're

1763
01:06:36,780 --> 01:06:39,720
building a Thieves Guild in a city

1764
01:06:38,099 --> 01:06:41,760
campaign that I keep going back to this

1765
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,299
because I think City campaigns are

1766
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:49,440
really a fertile ground for faction work

1767
01:06:44,299 --> 01:06:50,400
you can use any well done mob movie as a

1768
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,380
template

1769
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,359
true story you got to create your own

1770
01:06:52,380 --> 01:06:58,619
template from move from the mob but I

1771
01:06:54,359 --> 01:07:01,920
mean the The Godfather uh Casino

1772
01:06:58,619 --> 01:07:03,599
um Good Fellas Good Fellas uh if you're

1773
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,380
talking about somebody who's uh

1774
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:10,319
infiltrating uh a faction Donnie Brasco

1775
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:12,780
uh you know uh immeasurable and

1776
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:15,240
innumerable movies and shows that go

1777
01:07:12,780 --> 01:07:16,740
into Johnny dangerously Johnny

1778
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,799
dangerously if you're on the more

1779
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:22,380
comedic uh slapstick side you know my my

1780
01:07:19,799 --> 01:07:27,960
mother interrupted my conversation once

1781
01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:30,420
just once just once um uh and I say that

1782
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,700
with great uh reverence to Joe Piscopo

1783
01:07:30,420 --> 01:07:34,500
who I still follow on on social media

1784
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:36,780
because he is amazing saw him in concert

1785
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:38,520
once he is brilliant if you get a chance

1786
01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:40,200
to see Joe tell me that Johnny

1787
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,900
dangerously is a movie that is known in

1788
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:45,780
the UK it might well be I have to say I

1789
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:48,000
was drawing a blank hands up of all the

1790
01:07:45,780 --> 01:07:52,220
things we have sent across back across

1791
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,220
the spot if we missed on that we

1792
01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:58,380
that's an old Michael Keaton movie

1793
01:07:56,039 --> 01:08:00,660
that's hysterically funny but also super

1794
01:07:58,380 --> 01:08:02,160
lame because it's kind of funny so if

1795
01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:03,599
you do decide to look it up be prepared

1796
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,640
yeah oh no that's not my favorite kind

1797
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:09,420
of film it is cheesy as all get out

1798
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:12,240
Michael Keaton oh I mean uh you even had

1799
01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:16,020
uh an old uh us comic Father Guido

1800
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:18,600
Sarducci uh uh in that as they're going

1801
01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:20,819
to a um uh Capital they're actually

1802
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,859
taking somebody to the chair and he was

1803
01:08:20,819 --> 01:08:25,380
doing uh a bit as they're walking down

1804
01:08:22,859 --> 01:08:28,080
and he's like Alpha [ __ ] laude Magnum [ __ ]

1805
01:08:25,380 --> 01:08:32,640
Laude the radio is too loudy you know

1806
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:35,100
like it was absolute hysterics I love

1807
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,359
that movie you know and Joe Pisco I'm

1808
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:38,580
sure it's got a number of topics that

1809
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:40,980
would qualify as cringeworthy today but

1810
01:08:38,580 --> 01:08:44,940
we didn't think of it that way yet yeah

1811
01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:46,500
yeah but brilliant fun one funnel thing

1812
01:08:44,940 --> 01:08:48,179
to round out the episode then I wanted

1813
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:50,880
to talk about it briefly earlier on but

1814
01:08:48,179 --> 01:08:53,279
we'll try and do a like a fast-paced one

1815
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:56,400
for from each of you around when you're

1816
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:58,259
a player and you either get given a

1817
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:00,060
faction from the setting or the or the

1818
01:08:58,259 --> 01:09:02,400
GM or or you work together with one to

1819
01:09:00,060 --> 01:09:03,839
build them or you come up with one you

1820
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,940
know yourself you've heard of the

1821
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:08,219
Harpers you read a book once or saw the

1822
01:09:05,940 --> 01:09:10,500
film recently and said I want to do what

1823
01:09:08,219 --> 01:09:11,699
that person did which I enjoyed I don't

1824
01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:13,380
know about anybody else but I'm going to

1825
01:09:11,699 --> 01:09:15,420
go out on a limb and say I thought it

1826
01:09:13,380 --> 01:09:17,520
was a good movie we enjoyed it very much

1827
01:09:15,420 --> 01:09:19,560
so everyone that saw it here even even

1828
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:22,199
my girlfriend who has played DND like

1829
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:25,199
two times in her life was enjoyed it so

1830
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:26,940
so yeah so say that's you you either

1831
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:28,739
have a player or have been those players

1832
01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:31,140
in the past how do you deal with

1833
01:09:28,739 --> 01:09:34,080
operating within those premise those

1834
01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:35,640
Frameworks those like Harpers they don't

1835
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,520
have any pay they just do it because

1836
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:40,739
it's it's the good thing to do when it

1837
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:43,259
comes to role playing when it comes to

1838
01:09:40,739 --> 01:09:46,199
being at a table and it being an

1839
01:09:43,259 --> 01:09:47,400
inherently agency giving the words

1840
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:48,719
Escape me but you know you want to have

1841
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,179
control you want to Define your own

1842
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:53,160
story and suddenly you've kind of put

1843
01:09:50,179 --> 01:09:55,320
strengths on yourself in a way yeah I

1844
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:57,480
know like mother isn't necessary nope

1845
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,640
yeah what's the phrase well there's the

1846
01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:01,140
necessity of invention I mention yes so

1847
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,780
like having those constraints can

1848
01:10:01,140 --> 01:10:05,580
obviously enable sure and and kind of

1849
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:07,920
build to unique things but obviously

1850
01:10:05,580 --> 01:10:10,320
that's maybe there's more there to it

1851
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:13,020
than maybe newer players that have

1852
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:14,699
appreciated so I I like the way you laid

1853
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:17,400
that out because it feeds really really

1854
01:10:14,699 --> 01:10:19,380
nicely into my answer I think the one

1855
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,760
thing as a player if you are a member of

1856
01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:24,300
a faction the one thing you have to be

1857
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:26,580
aware of is the line that exists between

1858
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:28,860
the way your character would act in a

1859
01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:30,600
given situation and the social contract

1860
01:10:28,860 --> 01:10:33,780
that you are operating within as a

1861
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:35,340
player you don't want to be the player

1862
01:10:33,780 --> 01:10:37,140
that always kind of be less on well I'm

1863
01:10:35,340 --> 01:10:38,760
moving against the party I you know I'm

1864
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:40,440
a member of the Thieves Guild so I'm

1865
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,699
stealing everybody's loot when they're

1866
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:44,280
sleeping because that's what my

1867
01:10:41,699 --> 01:10:46,560
character would do right so remember

1868
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:49,500
remember the social contract right you

1869
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,820
may try to steal everybody's loot except

1870
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:52,679
for the player characters the people

1871
01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:54,300
that you are traveling with because that

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01:10:52,679 --> 01:10:57,000
yeah all that that's going to do is it's

1873
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:59,340
going to breed conflict it's going to

1874
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,560
breed player on player conflict which

1875
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:03,840
unless that's the nature of the game

1876
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:06,600
that you're playing is not always a

1877
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,920
welcome development I I I yeah I don't

1878
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,360
think player and player conflict is

1879
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,480
probably ever a character on character

1880
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:13,679
conflict absolutely okay yeah right so

1881
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,600
it goes across the table at somebody

1882
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:18,179
else yeah that's like but that you're

1883
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,040
absolutely right like it that it bleeds

1884
01:11:18,179 --> 01:11:21,420
the line there if if another player

1885
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,880
character is always stealing my stuff

1886
01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:26,640
download is gonna get annoyed right

1887
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,580
exactly rightly so yeah and your

1888
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,840
character may just kill him yeah yeah

1889
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:32,040
the way I try to phrase that to players

1890
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,739
when we're establishing the social

1891
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,300
contract and our session zero is you

1892
01:11:34,739 --> 01:11:38,100
know you're you're designing a character

1893
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:39,780
that you want to play and that you're

1894
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:41,940
going to have fun with

1895
01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:44,699
but you it's not just about once you've

1896
01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:46,260
created them always doing exactly what

1897
01:11:44,699 --> 01:11:47,880
the character would do you have a

1898
01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:49,800
responsibility

1899
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,420
not to say but my character would do

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,940
this but instead to come up with a

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01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:56,040
reason why they would continue working

1902
01:11:53,940 --> 01:11:58,440
the with the party even in in the face

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01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,600
of a conflict because otherwise no one's

1904
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:02,580
going to have any fun if you steal the

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,540
party stuff and right away in the middle

1906
01:12:02,580 --> 01:12:04,920
of the night because that's what your

1907
01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:06,000
character would do you're gonna find the

1908
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,440
next time there's a gaming session

1909
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,420
you're sitting home alone at your couch

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01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,400
all by yourself and sad because you have

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01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:14,520
no friends right and the Cookie Monster

1912
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:17,280
has no cookies yes I would follow that

1913
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:19,320
by saying my personal take on how I

1914
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:21,239
handle that as a player has a lot to do

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01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,500
with what goes on in the session zero so

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01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:25,500
even if I'm playing in a game where

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01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:28,199
there is no session zero as a player I

1918
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:30,540
kind of find a way to do that with my DM

1919
01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:32,699
even if it's after that first game

1920
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:35,159
session if it's an ongoing game I will

1921
01:12:32,699 --> 01:12:38,040
find a way to sequester myself and the

1922
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:40,920
GM or Storyteller to have some of those

1923
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:43,500
session zero conversations so I have a

1924
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,659
better idea of kind of what I'm going to

1925
01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:47,640
do and I will pay very much attention in

1926
01:12:45,659 --> 01:12:50,040
that first session uh where there's no

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01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,320
sense zero to how the other players are

1928
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:55,620
playing because

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01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:58,040
characters have options

1930
01:12:55,620 --> 01:13:00,600
they can choose to do different things

1931
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:03,239
players decide which of those options

1932
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:05,340
the characters take uh like Josh

1933
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:07,260
mentioned don't steal stuff because it's

1934
01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:08,820
what my character would do like Glenn

1935
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:10,500
said you have a social contract you got

1936
01:13:08,820 --> 01:13:12,659
to look at where you might be able to go

1937
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:15,900
with that my thought is the character

1938
01:13:12,659 --> 01:13:17,219
has options all across that Spectrum use

1939
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:20,040
a player

1940
01:13:17,219 --> 01:13:24,620
figure out which option matches your

1941
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:27,840
table the best and then your job becomes

1942
01:13:24,620 --> 01:13:29,760
finding the in-game motivation for the

1943
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,920
character to do that so now you have

1944
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,679
explained the action that works best for

1945
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:36,900
the table with this other in-game

1946
01:13:34,679 --> 01:13:39,600
information that's how I kind of

1947
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:42,000
approach that if you if a Storyteller

1948
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,699
holds a session zero most of that work

1949
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,620
can be done in that and the instruction

1950
01:13:44,699 --> 01:13:47,940
of build a character that works with the

1951
01:13:46,620 --> 01:13:50,040
party if you're building your characters

1952
01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:52,140
there or you're adjusting your

1953
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:55,500
characters in that session before

1954
01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:57,600
gameplay truly starts that's great

1955
01:13:55,500 --> 01:14:00,179
um I also think of a couple things

1956
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,159
personally in regards to factions is the

1957
01:14:00,179 --> 01:14:04,320
faction my job

1958
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:07,199
or is it my family

1959
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:09,060
or is it my found family the answers to

1960
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:11,100
those three questions can greatly inform

1961
01:14:09,060 --> 01:14:13,140
how I interact with that with that

1962
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:16,739
faction as a as a player character

1963
01:14:13,140 --> 01:14:18,600
following that is the party

1964
01:14:16,739 --> 01:14:20,699
my job

1965
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:23,280
are they my friends

1966
01:14:20,699 --> 01:14:26,040
are they my found family

1967
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:29,760
my new found family in some cases

1968
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:31,679
uh and then how I interact with them and

1969
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,540
in many games where the characters may

1970
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:35,760
not know each other well until they get

1971
01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:37,920
together the answer is they have to it

1972
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,199
starts as a job by tier two they're

1973
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,719
friends by tier three their found family

1974
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:45,179
that's how I play it that's how I played

1975
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:49,800
my character in streams of Spearow it

1976
01:14:45,179 --> 01:14:51,600
was job friends found family and now

1977
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:55,080
that we're in tier four with those

1978
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,699
characters they are my soul purpose and

1979
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,500
there is no sacrifice for that party

1980
01:14:56,699 --> 01:15:01,380
that my character will not engage in

1981
01:14:58,500 --> 01:15:03,600
that's that's my type of character

1982
01:15:01,380 --> 01:15:05,520
development I believe that's relatively

1983
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:08,760
consistent throughout most characters I

1984
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:10,980
play because that's how I manage as a

1985
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,719
player the social contract that's how

1986
01:15:10,980 --> 01:15:14,580
the party gets stronger and if you think

1987
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:16,860
about the arcs in most of the media we

1988
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:19,440
have that's fairly similar to what we

1989
01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:20,880
see in most media with with groups of

1990
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:23,040
desperate peoples that get together and

1991
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,960
eventually work together certainly what

1992
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:27,239
happened and what was happening in

1993
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:31,020
Firefly though they sped it up because

1994
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:33,300
Fox is terrible for genre shows uh and

1995
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:35,400
we didn't get five or six seasons of

1996
01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:36,780
firefly as we should have and it was

1997
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,120
definitely sped up by time we got

1998
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:41,100
Serenity the movie but that's exactly

1999
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,540
what they were doing throughout that and

2000
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:44,580
there were episodes along the way

2001
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:48,300
whether it was going to the planet where

2002
01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:51,480
uh Jane uh was celebrated and The Ballad

2003
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:54,420
Of Jane was sung when they called Jane

2004
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:57,480
yeah those are the kind of moments where

2005
01:15:54,420 --> 01:15:58,920
like oh okay so now these things uh make

2006
01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:02,340
purpose and just because I like Adam

2007
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:05,219
Baldwin as an actor even uh his approach

2008
01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:08,340
to the series Chuck and its Five Seasons

2009
01:16:05,219 --> 01:16:11,520
where he was in that Segway I love Chuck

2010
01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:13,020
yeah uh you know where he was at the

2011
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,820
beginning of that show versus the end

2012
01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:15,900
and how he interacted with Chuck and how

2013
01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:18,900
he interacted with all the other

2014
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:21,600
characters that altered throughout and

2015
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:25,679
it was basically along those lines job

2016
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:27,900
friends found family my purpose and I

2017
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:29,460
think that's a great way to deal with

2018
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:30,360
factions and if you think about your

2019
01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:33,000
character

2020
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:35,100
the party is becomes your faction in

2021
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,960
that process so as you were the party

2022
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:39,719
becomes your faction unless the whole

2023
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:42,360
party joins a faction together

2024
01:16:39,719 --> 01:16:45,960
you are literally taking your character

2025
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:48,060
out of that process of being in the

2026
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,280
external faction to this internal

2027
01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:53,640
faction so where you start with them

2028
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:55,320
really tells you how you become that

2029
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,239
with the other so if you started with

2030
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:59,460
these are my purpose

2031
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:01,260
you have to walk down that list with one

2032
01:16:59,460 --> 01:17:02,400
group as you're building up the list

2033
01:17:01,260 --> 01:17:05,040
with the other

2034
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:07,320
and and that so where you start and

2035
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,020
where you end is your character

2036
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:12,920
development that's how I look at it

2037
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:15,120
excellent well not very fast I'm sorry

2038
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,760
that's why I chuckled when you set a

2039
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:20,420
fast round yeah

2040
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:23,840
I should go to the restroom now

2041
01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:23,840
so much power

2042
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,640
uh well I I think that pretty much

2043
01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:33,320
brings us to the end gentlemen of our

2044
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:36,420
discussion today on factions so as easy

2045
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:39,179
talking about it so it brings us into

2046
01:17:36,420 --> 01:17:40,679
the show of course but yeah it sounds

2047
01:17:39,179 --> 01:17:43,520
like you're gonna be on our show or

2048
01:17:40,679 --> 01:17:46,620
similar to space

2049
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,940
for the tail end of this discussion at

2050
01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:49,320
some point in the near future there are

2051
01:17:47,940 --> 01:17:51,179
several things that I've thought of as

2052
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:55,560
well that have to get locked away

2053
01:17:51,179 --> 01:17:58,380
somewhere but um as is tradition is

2054
01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:02,699
there anything that you guys would like

2055
01:17:58,380 --> 01:18:04,920
to promote what I mean how kind of you

2056
01:18:02,699 --> 01:18:07,260
to ask Daniel because there just happens

2057
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,600
to be so as we said at the top of the

2058
01:18:07,260 --> 01:18:10,980
show here so we just finished up uh the

2059
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,679
final writing and final layout and

2060
01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:15,060
everything of our third book uh and as

2061
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:17,820
Glenn alluded to at the beginning of the

2062
01:18:15,060 --> 01:18:19,140
show here uh the reason why factions has

2063
01:18:17,820 --> 01:18:21,300
been on our mind and why we've been

2064
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:23,159
doing a lot of research uh kind of among

2065
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:24,659
the three of us in in how factions are

2066
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:26,760
built and why factions are built and all

2067
01:18:24,659 --> 01:18:27,780
that stuff is that this is the first

2068
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:31,199
time that we're going to be announcing

2069
01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:32,159
our fourth book so this fall coming to

2070
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,540
Kickstarter we don't have the date

2071
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:34,920
exactly nailed down yet so you're just

2072
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:36,420
gonna have to watch uh watch tabletop

2073
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,000
Journeys uh to go ahead and get the

2074
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:40,800
exact date but uh this fall we're going

2075
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,360
to be kickstarting our fourth book and

2076
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:45,420
it's going to be a book all about

2077
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:47,880
factions awesome and of course the show

2078
01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:48,900
the show itself right yeah I mean if

2079
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,460
you're interested in the tabletop during

2080
01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:52,040
his podcast of course you can check us

2081
01:18:50,460 --> 01:18:54,179
out at

2082
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:57,480
www.ttjourneries.com or wherever you

2083
01:18:54,179 --> 01:18:59,040
listen to podcasts wow let me let me be

2084
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:00,600
you know fully fair either the other two

2085
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,820
have you got any other things you would

2086
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:06,900
like to promote in addition to the your

2087
01:19:02,820 --> 01:19:10,620
found family yeah so I I can honestly

2088
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:14,640
say that I am finding great love with

2089
01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:17,100
Star Trek uh Adventures RPG uh I highly

2090
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,900
recommend uh if it's a game you're

2091
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:21,000
remote if anything we've said here

2092
01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:24,780
tonight or if you've heard it in passing

2093
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:27,179
seen us on uh Twitter talking about it

2094
01:19:24,780 --> 01:19:29,400
um definitely jump on we're very early

2095
01:19:27,179 --> 01:19:31,940
in the release schedule for this project

2096
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:35,040
we have three episodes out which are our

2097
01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:37,920
Star Trek D20

2098
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,540
um session zero we're about to drop or

2099
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,480
will at the time of this airing have

2100
01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:44,820
just dropped uh episode one or part of

2101
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:47,880
episode one for the actual Adventure

2102
01:19:44,820 --> 01:19:49,860
itself uh highly recommend watching that

2103
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:52,380
so you can kind of join in the fun and

2104
01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:54,420
learn this great system because even if

2105
01:19:52,380 --> 01:19:57,239
Star Trek isn't your bag sounds odd to

2106
01:19:54,420 --> 01:19:59,460
me to say that out loud but if it were

2107
01:19:57,239 --> 01:20:01,440
not your bag there are some amazing

2108
01:19:59,460 --> 01:20:02,460
things that we didn't even get to

2109
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:03,900
tonight which is why you're gonna have

2110
01:20:02,460 --> 01:20:06,719
to be in our show because I have notes

2111
01:20:03,900 --> 01:20:09,719
uh about that as well but it's going to

2112
01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:12,480
be awesome where you can kind of get a

2113
01:20:09,719 --> 01:20:13,800
real good view of the game and see some

2114
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:16,080
of the things that you want to take from

2115
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:18,840
the game and bring to your table

2116
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:22,080
whatever system you're using so a lot of

2117
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:23,640
fun great stories I love the stuff that

2118
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,920
Josh has been bringing to that bringing

2119
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:28,140
to that I'm glad it is uh both of us

2120
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,360
co-story telling and co-writing this

2121
01:20:28,140 --> 01:20:33,300
because what I had I think was really

2122
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:38,480
good what we now have with what Josh is

2123
01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:38,480
doing is really freaking awesome good

2124
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:44,880
continuing the story yeah nice and um to

2125
01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:47,760
follow that up and finish the promotion

2126
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:49,620
for it if that sounds like fun if sta

2127
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,600
sounds like in Star Trek Adventures by

2128
01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:53,640
the way that's what SGA is uh Star Trek

2129
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:57,000
Adventures by modifia sounds like fun in

2130
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:58,920
this game this massive crew game that

2131
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:02,760
we're talking about sounds like you're a

2132
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:06,800
cup of tea it is a patreon only game so

2133
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,800
you can go to our patreon at

2134
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:11,580
www.patreon forward slash TT Journeys

2135
01:21:09,719 --> 01:21:12,900
and sign up there then contact us and

2136
01:21:11,580 --> 01:21:14,940
let us know you want end of the game

2137
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:16,380
it's a few things to go over and talk to

2138
01:21:14,940 --> 01:21:19,199
you about to make sure you know you're

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prepared to go on the air but then we'll

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help you build a character and put you

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in and then you just got to respond to

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the next Poll for dates and again that's

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pay to be one of the cast The the

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patreon will allow you to be one of the

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cast members and go but it is freely out

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to the viewers or listeners to the

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podcast so that there's no there's no

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paywall for anybody who just wants to

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listen and enjoy of course

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yep such a weather machine gentleman

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um you covered all the bases there two

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and a half years now so yeah you'd hope

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so uh yeah

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we got Twitter too but that's them yeah

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yeah all the links will be in the

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episode description as usual and I would

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encourage everybody to go check out the

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sister show of thinking critically

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tabletop Journeys otherwise all that's

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left to say is from the bottom of my

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heart thank you ever so much for your

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time this morning gentlemen thank you so

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much thank you so much for having us I'd

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love to talk to you again absolutely

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always fun we'll we'll get a date so we

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can uh have some more discussion on

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factions here in the near future yep

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absolutely absolutely and of course uh

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not only with all the links in the

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episode descriptions tabletop Journeys

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is linked all over the website and the

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guests and on all the episodes that will

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now be three of them so should be very

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easy to find

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so that's it that brings us to the end

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guys it breaks my heart to say but why

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not it's that time

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I can't I can't do it anymore the

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listeners you know they need a break

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here it's very difficult to say goodbye

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so what we'll say is we'll see you all

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later exactly yeah

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all right

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and now it's time for the patreon shout

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outs huge thank you to all my patrons

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starting with Josh lewinika and Glenn

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the three fabulous toasts of tabletop

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Journeys who've been on the show several

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times before and who I'll always invite

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back to go check out tabletop Journeys

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at ttjourneys.com or at TT Journeys on

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Twitter we also have Joe from the fourth

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leg podcast because all about giving DMS

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another leg to stand on again previous

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guests of the show and I'd thoroughly

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01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:38,400
encourage you to go and check out their

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great content so you can find them at

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the fourthleg on Twitter

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was it a good friend of the show

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optional rule you can go and find him

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out on optional rule.com or at optional

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Rule full of very insightful and

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educated comments and thoughts and

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threads on the really nitty-gritty of

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DnD we have

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what a guy Matthew Perkins who is just

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out there in the world trying to make

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you laugh let's go and check him out at

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Matthew perkins.net or at hey it's Matty

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P m-a-t-t-y-p and good friend of the

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show and one of my table mates Matthew

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Street go and check out his partner's

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hustle at virtualtime hustle.com or at

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mp street88 on Twitter

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