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welcome thinkers to season 3 episode 24

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of thinking critically today's topic is

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community

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[Applause]

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and today i'm joined by hope from hope

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for ttrpgs thank you ever so much for

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joining us today hope can you tell us a

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little bit about yourself yes so i'm

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hope from hope for ttrpgs

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and hope for ttrpgs is a

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ttrpg community that i have started to

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help uh ttrfg content creators and just

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everybody else in the community uh to

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grow through support success and

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connection

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amazing and i have to ask is like you're

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leveraging your name as hope right yes

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as into this brand yeah that's

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i'm jealous with my name which cannot be

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leveraged in any similar fashion

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unfortunately

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um and obviously you're excellently

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qualified to talk about today's topic

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which is community so what does that

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mean to you in the ttrpg framework

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so to me a community is a group of

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people who are connected through

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some kind of common shared interest or

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meaning of some sort uh just a group of

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people who care about each other because

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of that shared interest and who they are

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when they're together

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so

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let's start then with i guess like the

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lowest common denominator in this art in

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this instance so like the quote unquote

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the ttipg community

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so

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what has your experience with that been

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and i know that it's a deliberately

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obtuse question like

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that the community is like everybody

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who's ever played the ttrbg i don't know

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uh but what

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what has your experience been yeah uh i

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guess it's mostly kind of tied into the

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origin story so i started playing d d in

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high school

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i got uh introduced to it through

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my now husband and his brother who was

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our dm

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and this was like the first time i had

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ever done anything nerdy uh any kind of

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like role playing anything like that

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so it took a long time for me to

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actually like get kind of comfortable

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with it

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but once we did we actually started a

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podcast and i started running their

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social media pages and i got to meet and

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talk to so many wonderful people in the

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community who were making podcasts

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themselves and i just thought that was

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like the coolest thing

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but then of course life happens and that

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podcast has now been on hiatus for like

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two three years uh but when it had been

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on hiatus for so long

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we were i wasn't able to post on the

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social media anymore and i was just like

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wow i really missed like being able to

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interact with those people and talking

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with them uh and just seeing what they

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were up to all the time so i was like

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you know i'm just gonna start my own

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twitter page you know i'm not producing

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anything but you know i loved helping

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out and supporting other creators so

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i'll just continue doing that on my own

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just easy you know whatever

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uh then a week later we had enough

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interest and we had already started

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building a community that the discord

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happened

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and that's where everything is taken off

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that discord is now over a thousand

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members which is crazy

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through the past year because we're

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actually getting really close to the one

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year anniversary

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so through this entire year i have met

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so many people

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from all different kinds of backgrounds

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with so many different stories to tell

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and different creations and just

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different experiences

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that

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we were able to instantly bond

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i i feel like with so many people so

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we've been able to

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basically carve out this positive space

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on twitter and carve out a space on

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discord now too

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uh where we've just been able to have

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kind of like an open door policy just

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come as you are

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let's let's just have fun and create

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together

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no pressure on me today then to to feel

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like we're you know we're bonding that's

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all after you just you've had all these

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lovely experiences i hope mine is is

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gonna

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stand up to that

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high standard i know don't worry

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it already is oh that's good basically

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anybody that i talk to i just feel like

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yep we're bonded we're friends now

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that's good and of course i know some of

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your previous um people you you've

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interacted with because they have been

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guests or previous guests on the show

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back in the season two uh

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at least one but i imagine probably

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several more that i'm just not aware of

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ha and also

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interestingly i am also on the discord

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and have been for quite some time uh so

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i'm a part of that 1000 strong which is

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nice

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i was

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i wanted to ask a question and it's one

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luckily i guess in a way can't answer

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because i don't have the experience have

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you just described there but obviously

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as with any

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community or group of people with a

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group of humans is probably the best way

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to put it there are some time you know

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as you

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get larger and grow there are always

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potentially some issues um and i think

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it's probably a bit more heightened for

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us being deep in the ttrpg sphere of

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media you know there's always people and

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things coming and going and the groups

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of individuals who think a certain way

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act a certain way and whatnot i was just

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wondering if you've had any experiences

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and any issues you've had with that kind

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of cataclysmic growth and how you've had

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work around them i suppose is probably

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the best way to put it oh yeah that is

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honestly a great question we talk a lot

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about the positives and how great it is

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across the board every kind of creator

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it's fun to talk about the great things

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and it's awesome except that inspires

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everybody they're like yeah i want that

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but often we don't talk about the awful

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dusty skeleton in the closet that we

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just try to ignore

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but yeah there have definitely been a

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ton of learning experiences

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uh so for one yeah i've been doing this

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for a year which sounds awesome

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but i've had no experience other than

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this my degree is in music education

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and that's about all i know i'm from a

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small town in nebraska who wants to

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teach music

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so it was a huge learning curve learning

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how to i guess the first thing was how

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to safely set up a discord uh to try to

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keep the bots out and make sure that uh

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terms of services are gonna be met and

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that kind of thing uh and that was uh

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definitely a matter of reaching out to

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other people and that will be a trend as

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i continue telling the story uh

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it's so important to

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be be okay with asking for help and

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looking towards other people to help you

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in the areas where you're unsure

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so that was the first step was just

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creating that safe space getting uh

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the discord terms of services making

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sure that everything's in line with that

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setting up our own community guidelines

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and making sure that we had bots that

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were in place that would help keep

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anything that's outside of those

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guidelines in terms of services in place

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so that was kind of the first step which

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honestly has helped a ton i'm actually

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very proud about the amount of bots

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we've had in the server because

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you can count them on one hand we have

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not had that many bots uh in the whole

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year on discord which is pretty cool uh

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so i definitely had some awesome help

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with setting up those safety guidelines

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along with making sure that no

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triggering content gets put out spoiler

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warnings that kind of thing

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so that was kind of like the first step

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in like the big red flags that i could

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see coming up

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then we get to the matter of when you

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have a space of a thousand people a

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thousand people do not always agree and

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they do not always get along

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and that was a huge learning curve for

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me as well and where i say if you have a

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discord server get a mod team that you

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can trust and that you know will have

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your back but will also be able to

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see things from a different point of

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view that you may not have seen and will

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be okay with disagreeing with you as

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that has been super helpful because i

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still remember like the first time that

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i had someone

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in the space who who's honestly their

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views just did not align with the terms

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of services and the guidelines

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and i remember how hurt i felt and i

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felt so bad when they like left and i

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was like oh no i did all these things

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wrong

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and i'm so glad i had my mod team there

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that had my back that was like no it's

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okay

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to set your boundaries

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it's totally okay and it needs to be

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done

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and so that was just a great learning

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experience of just figuring out what the

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boundaries are

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uh and what it looks like when someone

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crosses them you know you think you know

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like oh well if the rules like don't be

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a jerk you know someone's a jerk that's

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crossing the line

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it's actually much more complicated than

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that sometimes uh so having those

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boundaries and making sure that i knew

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what they were was great and then the

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second part of knowing what to do uh so

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that was really important and again i

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honestly learned a lot of that from my

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mods and honestly from being a teacher

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uh learning how to take those big

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situations because i i feel like when

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people get upset about something it's

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because they're passionate and they care

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so when something when someone's upset

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about something i've done i always try

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to think okay well

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they're passionate about it just as much

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as i am that's our common ground you

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know we can figure something out

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so it's being able to take those

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situations de-escalate them uh state

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them professionally matter-of-factly um

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let them know that they are heard they

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are seen they are cared for but these

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are the boundaries these are the exact

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instances and the exact

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points where these were crossed

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i also go by a

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like a second chance policy so we always

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say you know we will work for

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forgiveness and rebuilding

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but the minute that we see that you are

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not trying to be better you are not

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trying to avoid those conflicts

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that's it that is where we have to keep

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this space safe

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so that has been really great uh just

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learning how to do that setting my own

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boundaries and honestly one of the

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biggest things i've just told myself

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that's not even just

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you know rules and boundaries and

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guidelines

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it's just knowing that not everybody is

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meant for the same thing you know so my

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space is not for everyone i want it to

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be but there are some people who just

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want to share not great things

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and that's not what i'm here for and i

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can't make myself something for them

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so that's just something i kind of tell

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myself when people just like randomly

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leave the server when we've had to ban a

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couple of people

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uh you know when there's been other

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toxic people i just tell myself you know

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when they leave they're finding a space

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where they can feel validated and where

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they can grow themselves and my space

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isn't that for everyone and that's okay

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because i am a space for some people

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and

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those some people are where we build our

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community and where we can really

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really grow together because we're all

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there

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for the same values and the same purpose

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i love that there's a there's a

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delightfully unique allegory here for

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that example you've just given of

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the indie games or any role-playing game

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i suppose where you've just said like

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you see so many times online

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your game masters being like oh there's

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a player that

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turns up and he punched me in the face

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and like what should i do

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the rest of the community and of course

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most of the answers like probably

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shouldn't play with him anymore uh like

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but there's there's a reluctance on gm's

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to even consider conceive

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being like i don't think my game is for

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you and maybe you should think another

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game when it takes

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sometimes going to these like egregious

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extreme examples of being like

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he stole my money and i don't know i

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don't feel comfortable playing with him

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again and of course the answer's like

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well then just stone it

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and there is that reluctance there that

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feeling that you've expressed of like oh

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god have i is it my fault that this

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person is punching me in the face and

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still all my money no of course not

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you're totally cool it's totally fine

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and it's also totally okay that

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different strokes are different folks as

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they say and that's that's totally okay

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and i think

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that

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is a lesson people never stop learning

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and

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it's okay for people to disagree i guess

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is what i'm getting at in a weird way

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which sounds no that's totally true

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and i also like

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one of the reasons why i wanted to have

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this chat as well is because i'm

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obviously aware of the discord

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and

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i it makes me feel very old

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not that i am but man i just don't

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i just don't get discord as a as a as a

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thing like i i grew up with like team

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speak teamspeak was my voip of choice

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you know i'm playing i'm playing team

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fortress 2

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you know over uh team teamspeak 2 client

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and that was voip and then when we

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stopped playing we would disconnect and

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i'd turn my computer off and that would

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be it but now people are like oh hop

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onto my discord and i'm like okay what

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to play the game or

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i feel like there's something more to

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this

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this this invitation and suddenly

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there's like all this

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this other stuff and i'm like but where

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do i go to play the game

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so we can talk or we play the game

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uh so yeah for me that that that is

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still a an ongoing learning experience

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for me to be like this is

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it's just like a group forum but but i'm

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you know i grew up with

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actual website forums that aren't as big

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of a thing anymore where you would have

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500 page threads like the wow forums for

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example when they'd released a patch

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note would be like here's two billion

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pages of people that's just

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horrible to search through horrible to

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look through completely a waste of

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everyone's time because there's like 20

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different conversations going on that

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are separated by the other 19

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conversations

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so once i put it like that i guess

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discord does make a lot of sense but

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[Laughter]

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yeah no i totally get that i started on

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forums too and i loved them but

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uh even then like and that was back in

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the

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that was so long ago too when i was a

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part of forums but you always like i

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always found myself carving out little

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spaces even there and i always end up

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interacting with the same people over

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and over again because there's so much

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jumble everywhere else

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and i and i guess it's kind of similar

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to discord i honestly think of discord

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as group chats uh just with little kind

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saying it organization does not sound

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right because it's chaotic but kind of

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organize group chats in a group chat uh

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and that's one of like the things i've

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heard the most is uh i have a pretty big

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space there's a lot going on and i try

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to organize it by having a lot of

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categories to make it easier to find

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things find specific advice specific

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chat threads

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specific games and for me i think it's

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worked out fairly well but one of the

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things that we do to also make sure that

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stays a safe space for the community is

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in the welcome we always say like hey

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it's gonna get crazy

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take your time you do not have to go

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through everything all at once mute the

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things that don't interest you because

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there will be some don't feel like you

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have to stay up on the conversation

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because it's impossible uh it's just a

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space where when you have the energy and

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the time that you want to hop in and

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interact with people you can hop in you

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can send two messages and hop right back

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out and

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no one's gonna think anything other than

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oh hey you're here sweet we're talking

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about soup today and

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move on which i honestly love that

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format so much uh i'm in a ton of

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discords for other people as well which

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i feel awful because i can't keep up

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with them either because there's so many

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uh but i love joining them because i

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know like hey when i want to you know

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talk with this person i want to get with

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their group it's like to me it's like

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cool i'm a part of all these group chats

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and i love it

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unfortunately i hate soup so i'm gonna

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have to leave your discord server now

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right here

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that's okay uh we have different teams

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we've got team meet we've got team

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cheese we've got team bread

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apparently we really like food i

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this is a ttrpg server right

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yes it is

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and we would have a specific channel for

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food but we're always chatting about

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food in general i it must just be

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because since it's ttrpgs we just like

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snacks i guess

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well i actually don't like cheese irl so

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i know which side of that uh the line in

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the sand i'm gonna fall on uh quite

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quite readily

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oh wow um

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so

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one thing again that i've been obviously

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thinking about i'm

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obviously i'm growing attempting to have

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this show and this podcast and

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it is what it is a little passion

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project of mine and uh

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one way of of looking at community is

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not only a

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this kind of high level like we all

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are in some way connected to tt rpgs

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and that's

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fine you know we'll there's a you know

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community of car drivers for example who

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drive cars um

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but there's obviously a slightly smaller

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one so what i'm thinking about here is

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like my

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community or an equivalent community of

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my listeners so like for my

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quote-unquote brand i kind of hate using

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that term because it has so many

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negative connotations because of all

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like the mega brands being

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decidedly undelightful 99 of the time so

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using it for like me sitting in england

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makes it sound weird and bizarre but

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uh

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but uh like how do you build you know

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how do you build a community is i guess

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what i'm asking about around a certain

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at a certain thing or a certain topic

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and

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i

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uh maybe i am similar to you in that i'm

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not

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you know i'm not a marketing manager i

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have worked in those environments before

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but i'm not a trained advertiser or a

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trained anything like that i train

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social media manager by any stretch of

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the imagination

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so how does how do you

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foster a community i suppose around a

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potentially niche topic

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honestly the number one thing is

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interact

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uh interact interact interact that's

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really what it comes down to

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uh

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for me the more that i talk to people

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the more that the space grows um which

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again there are a ton of challenges with

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that too

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so you can fight against it but for me

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what i found was the best and the first

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step was just

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talking getting out there replying to

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threads you know starting those

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conversations making those posts that

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you know are opening questions like

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what's your favorite d d character you

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know uh they're you know a lot of people

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have different opinions about that

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because sometimes they see them as very

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shallow and just looking for

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uh you know hits but honestly i love

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them because that's where i see have a

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great chance to just start that open

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dialogue with anybody that's where you

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can just start a conversation

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so taking opportunities of that all of

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the hashtag events you know get in on

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those that is great too get get a part

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of those hashtags talk to those people

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because the more that people see you

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whether they're interacting with you or

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not the more they see you the more

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they're gonna feel like they know you

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and feel more comfortable because to be

562
00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:48,160
like oh i know those colors i know that

563
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:50,880
logo i know that name i've seen it like

564
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,320
everywhere uh and that will start making

565
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,679
people a little bit more comfortable

566
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,600
with interacting with you because they

567
00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:57,039
know that you're not just some crazy

568
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,320
random thing that they've never seen

569
00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,559
before

570
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,600
so for me interacting was so huge

571
00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:02,880
because

572
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,320
that's where i started building those

573
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,679
relationships

574
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:09,280
those funny jokes that stayed around uh

575
00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:11,360
the different backstories of different

576
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,000
people starting to do one shots those

577
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:17,120
are all just because of interaction

578
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,400
uh so that's the biggest thing for me

579
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:22,080
but it is hard i am an introvert which a

580
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,120
lot of people i don't think guess that

581
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,679
anymore uh because i'm always talking

582
00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:30,559
and i'm always out there uh but it was

583
00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:32,960
hard and honestly my capacity for like

584
00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:35,039
interacting with people has grown

585
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,320
massively over the last year

586
00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:38,080
there were so many times in the

587
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,679
beginning where like i felt so burned

588
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,600
out and that's where it's important to

589
00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:43,200
take that time for yourself don't force

590
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,880
those interactions

591
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,360
but when you have the energy when you

592
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,120
have the time and the want go for it do

593
00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,720
it do it all because

594
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:53,039
that's what social media is there for us

595
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,120
for people to talk to each other uh and

596
00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:57,600
that will help immensely

597
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:59,919
and then from there you can start

598
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,000
expanding and that's gonna start being

599
00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:04,080
where you grow to other people uh

600
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,919
collaborations were big for me you know

601
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,840
i talked to these people you know i knew

602
00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:10,159
kind of what they did and so when i had

603
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,320
questions i asked them when events were

604
00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:13,919
going on like i asked like what can i do

605
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,120
to help you know when people asked first

606
00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:16,400
people to get involved i was like yeah

607
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:18,320
i'll get involved

608
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,840
uh and so like that was huge because at

609
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,000
that point you know we'd already been

610
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,720
talking we had those open dialogues

611
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,480
running uh that we started collaborating

612
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,240
and that started to build a group and

613
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,480
then from there it just keeps going out

614
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,559
and out the more that you do and that's

615
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,919
gonna help you so much because then for

616
00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:38,559
the other parts like having a consistent

617
00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:40,960
posting schedule and using like ads

618
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:44,960
twitter or buffer or all those other

619
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,400
things to make graphics and just oh it

620
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,000
continues on and on there's so many

621
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,679
things you can do

622
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,200
and that's very overwhelming to think of

623
00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:53,360
doing those all by yourself to build

624
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,880
your brand so when you have

625
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:57,520
a community when you already have

626
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,520
whether it's one person five fifty

627
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,520
whatever when you have that

628
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,440
you can definitely reach out to get help

629
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,679
on those things and get feedback and

630
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,880
make it so much easier to take those

631
00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:10,799
further steps in growing even more

632
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,640
um yeah i'm

633
00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:14,799
i see here what this is going to be very

634
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,600
interesting i don't know why or to who

635
00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:18,000
it feels like it's going to be

636
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,039
interesting but i am and my partner will

637
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,799
tell you

638
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:22,799
the first time you ask a very

639
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:25,440
extroverted so i'm

640
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:27,520
happy to go out and meet new people and

641
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,600
make friends and she always jokes that

642
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,880
she hasn't got any friends and i've got

643
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,919
enough friends for the both of us she's

644
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,559
like why we've got so many friends don't

645
00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:36,799
know they just keep appearing here i

646
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:37,760
just keep making new friends uh

647
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:41,039
but

648
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:43,440
conversely like online on social media

649
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:45,520
and stuff i don't i'm not

650
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,559
i it just feels like i would never have

651
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,200
anything

652
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:51,760
of value no one cares essentially which

653
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,320
is which is why i might never if someone

654
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,120
asks that question the question of like

655
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,760
who what's your favorite dnd character

656
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:01,200
i'm not no one no one cares

657
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,880
about mine because it's kind of like

658
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,760
pointless uh in

659
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,840
my of my response so that's why

660
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,760
there's this weird like topsy-turvy

661
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,880
world that we both

662
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,559
have found ourselves in um

663
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,679
which i think is quite an interesting

664
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:19,600
turn of events considering that uh maybe

665
00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:21,840
i'm just too focused on the i you know

666
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,919
the irl social interaction side of

667
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,480
things and that's what's lacking for me

668
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:28,400
not to turn this into some weird pseudo

669
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,000
naval gazing exercise that wasn't my

670
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,480
intent no

671
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,799
[Laughter]

672
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,280
no that's honestly really common i hear

673
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,720
that a lot from the people who

674
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,039
are really struggling to feel like they

675
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,279
can make a space online a very common

676
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,760
answer is that you know well no one

677
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:45,440
cares i don't feel like what i say has

678
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,480
value and

679
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,400
you know and it goes on and it's totally

680
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,960
valid to feel that way

681
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,039
a lot of it is just perspective in how

682
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,559
you utilize the space

683
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:58,320
so a lot of the times the first thing

684
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,679
that people are going to say is well if

685
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,799
you don't think it has value then how

686
00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:03,279
are you going to convince everybody else

687
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:05,840
to have value that it has value

688
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,279
and well that does make sense sometimes

689
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,720
that's really

690
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,640
hard like for me when i hear that

691
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,640
response to it like my mental balls

692
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240
immediately go up and i start receding

693
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,159
and tracking back and

694
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,400
it opens up more negative feelings for

695
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:20,480
me when i hear that because

696
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,080
you know it's like well oh well now i

697
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,559
feel bad and doesn't have value then you

698
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,320
start questioning yourself um so i mean

699
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:28,960
that is one way to look at it is you

700
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,640
know on the positive side of that if you

701
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,480
don't see that it has value how do you

702
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,559
convince everybody else that it does

703
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,840
you know on the positive side you know

704
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,760
if you're ready for that in the mental

705
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,480
space like okay well i do believe in

706
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,159
this how do i convince people this um

707
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,480
and that's when you can start you know

708
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:46,480
looking at different ways to format and

709
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,039
all that kind of stuff there are a lot

710
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,760
of options for that uh but at the same

711
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:54,080
time i think a lot of it is what are you

712
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,559
expecting to get out of the space

713
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,880
are you wanting just to

714
00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:01,200
just post only your things and then hope

715
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,559
that people just gravitate towards what

716
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,120
you say only

717
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,480
and then kind of leave kind of like what

718
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,679
what i see a lot of bigger brands do

719
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,360
like you go to their twitter page they

720
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:11,279
don't retweet anybody they don't comment

721
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,440
on anybody you go to their page and you

722
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,919
can see everything about them which is

723
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,559
great but now that's

724
00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:20,400
a big person and a following to me

725
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,279
that's not a community

726
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,840
so

727
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:25,279
a lot of it i think is just get out

728
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,600
there and even if you think it doesn't

729
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:30,159
have value just keep doing it because

730
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,679
you're going to find people uh kind of

731
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:33,840
like me who are just like yeah i'll talk

732
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:35,520
with anybody i'm very chatty like i do

733
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,320
want to know when i ask those questions

734
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,440
you know if your favorite character is

735
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,760
a

736
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,480
gorilla druid for some reason because

737
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,640
you're inspired by harambe great cool

738
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,480
that's awesome and now i know a lot

739
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,400
about you

740
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,480
and i think that's great and it's funny

741
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,960
and while those uh

742
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,559
conversations can be really fleeting you

743
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,640
know that's where now i have a

744
00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,080
connection with your account and so now

745
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,440
when i see you interacting with somebody

746
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,159
else or when i see you post i'm like

747
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:06,640
okay that's the funny gorilla druid guy

748
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:08,640
like i want to see what they're doing uh

749
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,960
so it's just hopping on and having fun

750
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,960
with it i think is a big part of it i

751
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,799
just you know even if you feel like you

752
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,720
don't have anything important to say

753
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,799
um

754
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,679
the term for it what you said this is an

755
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:23,039
adult podcast uh is [ __ ] posting oh yeah

756
00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:25,520
uh

757
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:28,640
it's a common term and it's true uh and

758
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,919
it's actually very much encouraged uh in

759
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,400
the space quite a bit because if you're

760
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:34,320
only posting promos uh for your book

761
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,480
people see your book but they don't see

762
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,640
you so if you take those moments to be

763
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,120
like oh my goodness i have had like 18

764
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,880
coffees today where is that motivation

765
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,559
you know even if it only gets like one

766
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,320
like or one hit

767
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,000
you know people still see it and then

768
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,960
they see like this is the person behind

769
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,480
that uh you know when you talk about um

770
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080
like i kind of [ __ ] post on my own

771
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,480
discord sometimes i'll just post random

772
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,799
things that happen today uh my cat beans

773
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,880
who is also kind of our mascot

774
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:02,720
uh she is one of the most destructive

775
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,200
cats i have ever seen

776
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,320
uh and we got her these cute little like

777
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:11,360
mouse plushies for christmas and she

778
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,279
tore one to shreds last night like tail

779
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,320
is off like there's a little cotton

780
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,080
everywhere

781
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,919
um and you know i just posted that on

782
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,360
the discord because yeah it's it's

783
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:23,520
random has nothing to do with ttrpgs uh

784
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:25,919
but that's kind of how beans got to be

785
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,320
the mascot is by just randomly posting

786
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:29,840
about it because people saw oh hey this

787
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,840
is the person this is a person who has a

788
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,200
crazy cat and we can all relate to crazy

789
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,360
cats

790
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,880
and that's kind of where it just builds

791
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,960
on that's why it's so important just to

792
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,520
post no matter what it is whether you

793
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,200
think it has value or not uh it's just

794
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,279
because people are gonna see it and

795
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,880
people are gonna get to know you and

796
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,320
know your product know

797
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,039
kind of what you like and that's where

798
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,720
those relationships get built

799
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,559
it just takes a lot of effort and a lot

800
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,240
of time which is

801
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,919
and again especially like whether an

802
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,159
extrovert or introvert or not whether

803
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:01,919
you like social media or not there's a

804
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:03,200
lot of effort that goes into it and

805
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:05,279
that's where it gets hard yeah i think

806
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,360
it's a story of everyone's life right

807
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:09,039
you can do all this stuff but oh yeah

808
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:11,120
so you got it you got to put the legwork

809
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,120
in

810
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,840
exactly

811
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:15,600
and kind of a disclaimer from my own

812
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,919
like that's how i started and why i

813
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,200
think i saw so much growth right away is

814
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:22,480
because

815
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,559
i honestly wasn't doing the most uh

816
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,440
i wasn't doing the best practices for

817
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:29,360
self-care i was doing full-time college

818
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,440
student stuff so like at the college

819
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:33,840
like 7 20 a.m because that's the only

820
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,559
time you could find parking was 7 20

821
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,559
and i wouldn't get home till

822
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:41,679
sometimes 10 o'clock at night otherwise

823
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:43,360
routinely closer to 6. uh and in between

824
00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:45,279
classes while i was bored in classes i

825
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,440
was on my phone doing twitter when i got

826
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,679
home i was up till like two three in the

827
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,200
morning on twitter and on discord afraid

828
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:52,399
that i was going to miss something uh

829
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,000
that something was going to happen and i

830
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:57,039
wasn't going to be there so i was

831
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,840
spending like 16 hours a day on my phone

832
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:02,080
uh and so while that was great for

833
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,840
interacting with other people

834
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,600
there was a lot of stress and anxiety

835
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,399
there just because of the fear of

836
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,840
missing out and the fear of just

837
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:10,960
not being

838
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,520
there

839
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,520
so i had to learn a lot about that and

840
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,559
i'm still learning how to

841
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,159
take steps back uh but again it was a

842
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,559
big room for growth and the more that

843
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:24,640
you start doing it uh the easier it'll

844
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:27,360
be so just like start with like okay i'm

845
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,440
gonna go through this hashtag today and

846
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,559
i'm just gonna spend you know three to

847
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,720
five minutes scrolling through this

848
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,720
hashtag you know liking things that you

849
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,039
like retweeting to support other people

850
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,799
commenting just randomly and you can put

851
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:43,200
it away but even that five minutes uh is

852
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,559
awesome it's enough to help get you out

853
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,880
there and i totally recommend just

854
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:48,480
taking those small steps at first and

855
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,559
then just building up to where you feel

856
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,520
comfortable and taking advantage of all

857
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,120
of the

858
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,679
tools that are out there for you to help

859
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,679
you do that uh like scheduling your

860
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:58,720
posts if you're going to be advertising

861
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:01,200
something

862
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,960
like i cannot i cannot stress enough how

863
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,960
helpful that is if you're advertising

864
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,600
something because it takes

865
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,159
like 10 minutes and then there are all

866
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,080
of your promos for the entire week now

867
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:13,919
you don't have to worry about it and

868
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,279
instead of having you know five minutes

869
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:18,000
of every day where you're stressing

870
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,360
about it it's one 10-minute session and

871
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,799
it's done

872
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,440
and that has been

873
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:25,760
so amazing for me to take some time away

874
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,919
from my phone and scheduling things uh

875
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,360
just to have that already done so that's

876
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,480
like the biggest thing that i can say

877
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,679
that can help if you're wanting to

878
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,559
advertise

879
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,720
and if you're wanting to build a

880
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,399
community just interact

881
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,880
my uh

882
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:42,880
panacea to fomo is um his laziness and

883
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,320
joining a discord server and being like

884
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,279
wow there's way too many messages to

885
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:50,240
catch up on here that's cool that's

886
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:52,080
not us way too many here and then i'm

887
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,600
not worried about it because like

888
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,760
i'll i'll get to that when i get to that

889
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,880
like it's stuff's it's kicking off so

890
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,600
that's why they could just kick off in

891
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,200
the background to me that's that's

892
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,399
uh that's how i deal with it but i do

893
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,480
want to say

894
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:05,360
i love the comment you made there around

895
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,240
uh

896
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,880
like a following versus a community and

897
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,200
that is something that i haven't

898
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,039
articulated to myself

899
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,080
but absolutely something that i

900
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,360
also subscribe to i'm very keen on

901
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,640
having

902
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,399
genuine listeners for the show and i'm

903
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,760
absolutely certain that they are out

904
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:28,640
there because they

905
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,519
they interact with me funnily enough um

906
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,440
and

907
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,919
you know there's a couple online that'll

908
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,159
always either you know i'm listening to

909
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:37,679
this again this week uh

910
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:40,559
which is

911
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:42,960
surreal like absurd to me still to think

912
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,320
to this day that someone on the other

913
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,799
side of the world or the other side of

914
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,640
the country is just doing some

915
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,840
stupid [ __ ] that i put together once a

916
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,519
week

917
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,279
i know it isn't but

918
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,159
uh it's still it's still crazy to think

919
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,120
about

920
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:59,519
and then there's a core group of other

921
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,760
creators that i have

922
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:03,919
super bonded with as you said um like

923
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,159
tabletop journeys because i know they've

924
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:08,320
well we've worked with them before

925
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:09,519
so i've you know they've come on my show

926
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,039
uh

927
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,080
once but then we've scheduled in for

928
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,080
another couple of weeks time for the

929
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,000
second episode to have them back on uh

930
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,840
and then i did a couple of things with

931
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,440
them as well and that was that was super

932
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,880
fun like that was

933
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,279
again

934
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,559
great learning experience uh fun

935
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:27,760
interesting you know we played a

936
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:30,159
different ttrpg so the very kind of base

937
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,559
fundamental mechanical level i was

938
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:34,960
learning to have you know i wasn't

939
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,279
playing dnd for a change which is

940
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,279
always a good idea

941
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,240
to learn and enjoy different things on

942
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:42,559
top of

943
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,919
you know being like hey i'm

944
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:46,320
paying it back in a way you know you

945
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:48,799
came on my show and now i'm i'm you know

946
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,880
joining you on your show and i i'm

947
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,880
having such fun and they're always you

948
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,440
know interacting and supporting and it's

949
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,000
a really great feeling for me because it

950
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,159
is that organic

951
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,919
relationship that has grown from a

952
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:04,559
discussion much like the one you and i

953
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:06,399
are having this very instant into

954
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,320
this ongoing relationship and there's a

955
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:09,519
whole handful there's a whole group of

956
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,279
those other content creators and

957
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:14,320
listeners that are always

958
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:15,679
that are always there in on my

959
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,600
you know interacting and stuff and i'm

960
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:18,480
like yeah you're i know you because not

961
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,799
only because you spent an hour and a

962
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,440
half talking but also because

963
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:25,120
we're chatting away and i know the kind

964
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,399
of things that are going to

965
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,159
tick those boxes that you like

966
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:29,519
interacting with and this that and the

967
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:32,080
other so

968
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:34,880
that is probably one of the more well

969
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,640
probably the most rewarding thing once i

970
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,360
you know the first six months i could

971
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,960
tear myself away from the numbers of my

972
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,559
podcast once i tore myself away from

973
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,000
that i could focus on like hey there's

974
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,640
this one guy

975
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,640
up in the north of england that loves my

976
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,760
stuff and he is my number one fan and

977
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,960
i'm in love with him and i've never seen

978
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,430
him before

979
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,960
that's that is what makes you feel great

980
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:58,320
[Laughter]

981
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,720
it really is i that's again going back

982
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,440
to uh growing that community those

983
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,799
collaborations are so important uh

984
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,039
that's kind of how i got in with

985
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:09,040
tabletop journeys too was they had me on

986
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,320
and then since that day every time i see

987
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,240
their stuff and they got a new project

988
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,839
i'm like yes i love them as people and i

989
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,960
love what they're doing so i'm

990
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:17,440
definitely going to make sure that i

991
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,440
take the time to help support them

992
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,280
so they can continue going on

993
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,359
and the more people that you do that

994
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,159
with the more that you know right now a

995
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:29,040
big thing in the community is a rising

996
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,480
tide raises all ships the more we help

997
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,440
each other the more we're all going to

998
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,200
rise it's not a competition uh the more

999
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,800
that we help each other we're all going

1000
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,520
to get better because we all are doing

1001
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,839
something while it might maybe similar

1002
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,280
uh everyone that you do it you're going

1003
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:44,800
to be doing it differently it's going to

1004
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,679
have your own little spice on it your

1005
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,520
own little take and you know that might

1006
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,599
just be that

1007
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,200
just enough to make your space that

1008
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,760
space for someone

1009
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,240
so those collaborations are just amazing

1010
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,119
and i love them too like one shots were

1011
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:02,640
a huge thing for me this year uh getting

1012
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:04,160
uh just taking those opportunities when

1013
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,240
people were asking for guests uh

1014
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,520
starting one shots uh

1015
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,520
every time i'm in a one shot with

1016
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,240
someone whether i don't know the other

1017
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,240
five people at the table or not

1018
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:16,640
once that like hour to four hours

1019
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:19,359
however long it takes is done i like

1020
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,599
those people a lot and we created those

1021
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:23,520
relationships and created a stronger

1022
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,839
community together where we like each

1023
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,079
other we want to support each other

1024
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:30,640
goodness even last night i just started

1025
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:32,960
a new show called world to know

1026
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,079
and i just had a couple people come on

1027
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,520
and i was like hey we're going to play

1028
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,200
basically this game where we and where

1029
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,160
we roll dice and we answer questions

1030
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,640
together

1031
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,560
and it was so fun and now we're already

1032
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,400
scheduling a one shot together because

1033
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,720
that two hours of just chatting uh we're

1034
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,920
like okay well we really like you as a

1035
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,920
dm so

1036
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,880
can we force you to dm one shot for us

1037
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,640
and he was like yeah let's do it and so

1038
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,400
immediately after that show we were all

1039
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,359
just chatting like non-stop in the

1040
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,880
discord uh our little group chat

1041
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:04,720
like what we wanted to do what our

1042
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,720
character is going to be and how we can

1043
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:09,200
already start scheduling this

1044
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,320
so just after that two hours of taking

1045
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,240
people that

1046
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,320
a lot of them i talked to a lot some of

1047
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,599
them not so much some of them had never

1048
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,440
met each other

1049
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,680
now we're already collaborating on a

1050
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,640
whole new project together and i just

1051
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,560
love that so much of the ttrpg community

1052
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,920
of where you can just interact with

1053
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,240
someone

1054
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,079
then you collaborate or just even have a

1055
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,839
fun conversation and there you go you've

1056
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,839
built your own little community right

1057
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,839
there

1058
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:44,160
[Music]

1059
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,280
yeah that's

1060
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,440
another thing i wanted to add i don't

1061
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,359
want to make me think of it in that

1062
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,920
example there but one thing that has

1063
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:54,640
just come to my mind is

1064
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,800
having never been huge on social media

1065
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,560
prior to the podcast

1066
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,880
it's always just seemed you know there's

1067
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,480
always a bazillion people when you only

1068
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,160
ever really you know in pop culture and

1069
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,839
media and then news and stuff you only

1070
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,440
ever really get your attention drawn to

1071
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:09,359
like the big things where

1072
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,599
the most disliked video on youtube for

1073
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:13,200
example or the most downvoted comment on

1074
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,800
reddit for example

1075
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,280
so you don't ever see

1076
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,680
the smaller circles within them but

1077
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,960
something i've found since doing this

1078
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,800
and having

1079
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,800
been you know exceptionally fortunate

1080
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,800
enough to have you know have had my

1081
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,119
reach expanded when i've searched for

1082
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,280
guests and people being like hey

1083
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:33,359
i'm going to boost this and be like i

1084
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,119
listen then downloads

1085
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:37,040
super cool funny handsome charming guy

1086
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,839
not my words no definitely my words uh

1087
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,320
but

1088
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:41,280
you should go on a show um

1089
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,280
and

1090
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,520
i've obviously spoke to that's quite a

1091
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,000
wide net and there are like

1092
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,240
there's a bunch of guys from like new

1093
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,599
zealand and australia that i've had i've

1094
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:53,839
had two of them on now i've got two

1095
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:55,119
others that are planning to come on and

1096
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:57,200
i'm like you i don't really see you in

1097
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:59,920
the other kind of circles but i see you

1098
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,079
in these kind of circles and it's

1099
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,280
from a purely selfish point of view it's

1100
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,839
like hey there's a whole other mark out

1101
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,920
there but also it's like hey there's

1102
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:08,880
what a what are you why can't i why

1103
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,000
haven't i've been talking to you cool

1104
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,599
guys

1105
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,880
for the last 12 months that are just

1106
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,599
sitting over there on the other side of

1107
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,040
the

1108
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:18,640
wall 11 hours ahead in the future

1109
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,839
which makes scheduling a pain in the ass

1110
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,839
which i suppose is one reason why but uh

1111
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:26,160
but yeah that was a really interesting

1112
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:28,320
way to see isn't just this big

1113
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,280
twitter users there are

1114
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,240
these

1115
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,960
little

1116
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,480
fiefdoms and then domains that are you

1117
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,760
know within circles within circles

1118
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,280
within circles it's really kind of

1119
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,760
interesting and uh eye-opening and

1120
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,599
fun to you know learn and see and

1121
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,680
interact with and then see whether

1122
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:48,240
whether like you said like the nuances

1123
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,640
the spice the sew is different with each

1124
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,079
of them is interesting it's fun

1125
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,680
learning learning i like learning so

1126
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,280
it's a learning experience at the end of

1127
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,599
the day

1128
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,240
it really is because i've been trying to

1129
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:02,960
like break into the other uh circles as

1130
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:05,280
well uh because one of the big things

1131
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,000
when starting hope for tt rpgs was i

1132
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,880
wanted to bring that positivity

1133
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,560
and helping each other out kind of vibes

1134
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,320
because ttrfg twitter a year ago was not

1135
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,520
necessarily the nicest place in the

1136
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,040
world to be

1137
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,320
uh and so

1138
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,400
it's so great to think that we've

1139
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,480
absolutely transformed that space and i

1140
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,720
still know that those toxic spaces are

1141
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,800
out there on the other platforms

1142
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:31,280
so i've been working to kind of help

1143
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,040
bring those good vibes there as well

1144
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,200
and that is a learning experience

1145
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,920
because every platform is so different

1146
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,960
like the twitter group for hope for tt

1147
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,599
rpgs like it's pretty massive uh the

1148
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,280
instagram group oh it's tiny we've got

1149
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:47,839
like a bunch of like supportive group

1150
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,240
chats that uh are are very small and i

1151
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:51,920
love them because instagram limits how

1152
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,640
many you can have in a group chat so we

1153
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,119
have all of these little like helpful uh

1154
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,880
pods of people uh and so those are all

1155
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,480
mini circles right there

1156
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,680
and like that's great because we're

1157
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,040
starting to break through and we're

1158
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,720
starting to make some moves there of

1159
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,200
like hey interact with each other on

1160
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:09,359
instagram like we can bring that same

1161
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,440
community and lifting each other up and

1162
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:14,000
having fun through ttrpgs we can bring

1163
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,160
that to there uh and like tick tock's a

1164
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,280
whole nother realm that like i'm kind of

1165
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,040
trying to do but oh there is so much

1166
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,960
learning and

1167
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,119
everything's totally different but the

1168
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,440
learning part is so great because you

1169
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:29,440
learn different skills uh whether it's

1170
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,040
editing videos or

1171
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,240
learning how to uh take files from obs

1172
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,960
and

1173
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,000
you might say off the top of your head

1174
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,839
yeah

1175
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,359
you know other things like that learning

1176
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,720
how to talk to people and talk with

1177
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:45,520
different people through different

1178
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,400
formats um in learning honestly a cool

1179
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,240
thing

1180
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,119
that i've learned is just different

1181
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:53,599
cultures and different people i i've

1182
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,119
never really left my state uh so being

1183
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,200
able to like talk to all these different

1184
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,119
people and hearing their experiences has

1185
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,319
been so cool too

1186
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,960
uh so

1187
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:04,079
the whole learning part of everything is

1188
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,200
so great

1189
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,400
well if you ever want to hear what it's

1190
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,359
like in

1191
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,599
england

1192
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:12,560
and be bored

1193
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,560
then i can tell you

1194
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,040
um but you know as i said like learning

1195
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,880
is a huge thing i've said a hundred

1196
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,000
times on the show before it turns like

1197
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,760
audio skills are editing i had none and

1198
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,119
now i have some which is great which is

1199
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,720
better you know

1200
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,160
that's my life

1201
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,160
experience has

1202
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,599
objectively increased which is a weird

1203
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,680
video gamey way to think about one's

1204
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,920
life but

1205
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,480
that's the kind of person i am um and

1206
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,400
likewise with i paid

1207
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,440
uh one of my best friends his partner as

1208
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,560
an artist and i i paid her to do my logo

1209
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,960
because i was like hey

1210
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,440
i know you you two can draw and can do

1211
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,319
art i can't so please take my money and

1212
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,240
make me something that isn't garbage

1213
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,520
i have this stupid idea that i'm gonna

1214
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,359
attempt to communicate through you in

1215
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,119
words and you have to read my mind and

1216
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:00,400
interpret that and she did a bloody

1217
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,240
fantastic job

1218
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,599
as you can see behind me up here and

1219
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:07,359
others can see on the podcast uh and

1220
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,599
i like i had that and that was fine as

1221
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:13,119
it was for quite some time

1222
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:14,800
but then i wanted a i wanted to print a

1223
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,280
poster for both

1224
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,000
up here behind me in my office uh and

1225
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:23,040
also uh for a fl

1226
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,160
gs in my local town

1227
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,400
and

1228
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,480
i was like well i you know i'm not

1229
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,000
i can't expect them again to be like

1230
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200
make it like this and do this and change

1231
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,920
it every week for me and this that and

1232
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,200
the other so i i have my hand was forced

1233
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,910
to learn some

1234
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,200
very rudimentary image manipulation

1235
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:42,400
[Laughter]

1236
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,760
so now i know you know how to use [ __ ]

1237
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,310
rather than just paint which was the

1238
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,520
limit of my image editing skills before

1239
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:49,760
[Laughter]

1240
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,440
so now i have like

1241
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,920
the you know the pink and purple

1242
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,119
gradient on other pieces of you know

1243
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,520
collateral

1244
00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:00,319
uh i have the youtube thumbnails and all

1245
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,280
that kind of stuff is is what i've done

1246
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:04,720
that took

1247
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,319
a lot of frustrated time to be like

1248
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,319
move there

1249
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:09,680
without ruining the rest of it

1250
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:11,200
um

1251
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,960
but then now that as you like as you

1252
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,000
said it becomes a bit more routine and a

1253
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,599
bit quicker and uh yeah that's

1254
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,720
complete digression of the topic of

1255
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:22,079
community because i'm literally just

1256
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,079
talking about me myself

1257
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,480
at this point sorry everybody uh but

1258
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,440
that's that's where we find ourselves

1259
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,040
but actually i wanted to say you um i

1260
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,040
wasted a perfect segue you offered me

1261
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,200
earlier on um because you were talking

1262
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,119
about the other social networks

1263
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,760
and i did want to ask a question in

1264
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:40,480
terms of like what is

1265
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,079
your

1266
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:47,280
favorite and i'll let you define

1267
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:49,839
what it takes to be your favorite

1268
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,640
like my favorite platform yeah yeah be

1269
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:54,960
it tick tock bit be it twitter be it

1270
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,040
reddit dare i even

1271
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,160
mention it

1272
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,760
boy

1273
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,440
oh i won't be offended

1274
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,880
oh boy uh

1275
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,040
honestly i have to say twitter is

1276
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,800
probably my favorite uh just because it

1277
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,000
covers all of my bases it has uh okay

1278
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,520
outreach if you know how to break the

1279
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,000
algorithm

1280
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,839
you know you can meet other people you

1281
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,640
can somewhat stay connected with the

1282
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:22,720
ones that you do like uh there's many

1283
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,240
ways to also help break the algorithm to

1284
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:26,640
stop having them get rid of all the

1285
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,400
people that you enjoy

1286
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,560
but you also get to

1287
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,920
post about your own stuff you can

1288
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,920
advertise

1289
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,599
and you can have conversations and i

1290
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,359
think that's the big thing that a lot of

1291
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:41,839
other platforms uh can sometimes lack on

1292
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:44,000
uh gosh i'm just like bashing on other

1293
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:45,520
social media uh everybody has their own

1294
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,400
ways to interact so like you're probably

1295
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,050
not

1296
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,520
it's your safe space do what you want

1297
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:52,079
[Laughter]

1298
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,240
just for me personally like instagram

1299
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,119
i'm not a fan of because i feel very

1300
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:59,440
much like it's a hey here's my stuff

1301
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:02,400
look at me only uh because having

1302
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,920
conversations doesn't seem to be as easy

1303
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,359
for me because people will comment on

1304
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,680
your post and you can talk to that

1305
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:10,160
person one on one but it's so hard to

1306
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,560
have group discussions uh which on

1307
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,280
twitter uh you can you can have as many

1308
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,119
people tagged as possible and they're

1309
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,200
gonna get all the notifications for that

1310
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,520
entire conversation which can be great

1311
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,760
it can also be not so great but i love

1312
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,079
that it allows for group conversations

1313
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,200
in that kind of like public setting very

1314
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:29,119
easily

1315
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,800
but again it also doesn't do a good job

1316
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:33,200
of keeping track of things where that is

1317
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,440
a plus on instagram where um i can

1318
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,119
easily see the last time that i posted

1319
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,520
this promo image you know if i want to

1320
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:41,599
see someone's uh like artwork that

1321
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,440
they've done i know i can go to their

1322
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:45,280
instagram and find it easy while on

1323
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,960
twitter it's a lot harder to find things

1324
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,640
easy yeah so i guess for me it's twitter

1325
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,160
that's probably my favorite it's easy

1326
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,640
for me to talk to people it's easy to

1327
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,880
pick up it's easy to put down uh i can

1328
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,400
spend two seconds on it or i can spend

1329
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,800
two days on it

1330
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,720
and i just i think it's really easy for

1331
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,160
me to do that and to discover other

1332
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,319
people and

1333
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,280
it just works well for me

1334
00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:10,480
yeah yeah no for sure i mean

1335
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,560
i'm gonna

1336
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,880
exacerbate my old man persona i'm in my

1337
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,400
30s just to be clear i'm not actually an

1338
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,040
old man um

1339
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,480
but the reason i like twitter is because

1340
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,079
when i first was starting the show and

1341
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,760
was like let me go on some socials

1342
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,599
having never really used any for

1343
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,800
anything properly before

1344
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:29,119
man

1345
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,440
just some text you just gotta type some

1346
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,800
text and it's it's done

1347
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,880
whereas i was like maybe i should get

1348
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,680
instagram as well i'm like what the

1349
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,359
what

1350
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,000
i don't even know how to

1351
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:40,800
use the interface let alone make content

1352
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,480
that

1353
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,359
is to be good i was like why am i going

1354
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,359
to turn this thing on

1355
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,880
as i plugged my phone into my floppy

1356
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,880
drive and

1357
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,880
shoveled coal into my car but uh

1358
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,119
though for me it was the simplicity on

1359
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,720
the face of it

1360
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:01,359
of like i can just

1361
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:03,200
type some words maybe put the hash

1362
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:05,119
symbol in in front of a permanent word

1363
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,200
and that's it that's a that's you know

1364
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,160
for a starter for ten you're off to the

1365
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,599
races

1366
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,680
whereas uh

1367
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,200
for all this other stuff there's

1368
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,920
all sorts of

1369
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,920
confusing things and um

1370
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,720
like for example in the uh

1371
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,160
the actual play podcast i'm in they

1372
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,319
were like we're gonna

1373
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,319
maybe we'll start up a subreddit and

1374
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:28,559
then they tried and was like what if

1375
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:30,000
this is confusing and there's rules and

1376
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,680
we've done something wrong and now we

1377
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,880
can't and now we can't for the next 30

1378
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,599
days

1379
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,839
sorry what

1380
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,760
yeah i i stay away from reddit i've

1381
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:42,559
tried so many times and i don't

1382
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,559
understand it

1383
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,040
i'm uh like a full-time reddit lurker so

1384
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,200
they're you know

1385
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,880
i kind of get it but i wouldn't i'm

1386
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,400
scared to post anywhere because it

1387
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,200
always feels like there's some

1388
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,720
obtuse rule somewhere that i'm gonna put

1389
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,720
step the line up oh you posted on a

1390
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,400
wednesday oh no you that was no posting

1391
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:02,100
wednesday whoops

1392
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,319
guess i'll say goodbye forever then

1393
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:05,920
[Laughter]

1394
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:08,480
yeah i think i've only used reddit like

1395
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,240
a couple of times i i love the home brew

1396
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,760
stuff you can find on it

1397
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,280
and then i followed like the subway one

1398
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,520
for a while because i had to take a

1399
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,640
part-time job at subway while uh in

1400
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,000
college

1401
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,119
and it was so nice to know that there

1402
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,960
are other people out there who are

1403
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:23,520
experiencing the same terrible things

1404
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,000
that i was working for subway which i

1405
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,400
i'm not employed i can say whatever

1406
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,240
yeah but i just read it for that just

1407
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,599
because again the memes and

1408
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:33,440
hearing the same experiences of

1409
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,359
everybody else was fun

1410
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,000
but i just i don't really got to posting

1411
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:40,640
on it um but

1412
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,800
it's definitely good for memes

1413
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,160
absolutely that's why

1414
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,160
i'm a professional lurker

1415
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:49,119
i was going to do some joke there about

1416
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,359
me working for subway and this all being

1417
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:54,079
an elaborate ruse to get you to admit to

1418
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:57,440
some horrible experiences so we can

1419
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:57,440
catch you out uh

1420
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,960
um

1421
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,640
for the last bit then we obviously

1422
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,720
talked a lot about irl

1423
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,319
communities in you know real life and as

1424
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:08,160
you as you would do as human social

1425
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:09,680
creatures i wanted to take a little bit

1426
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,720
of time at least to the show to talk

1427
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,160
about

1428
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:16,640
communities in in ttrpg so i don't mean

1429
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,720
the ttrpg community i mean i'm building

1430
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,160
a homebrew campaign setting and i'm

1431
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,079
trying to build

1432
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,920
this nomad group on something like that

1433
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:25,440
so i don't know if you've in and you've

1434
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,720
ever run any games or made in the

1435
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,880
homebrew played in the games where

1436
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:31,599
there's ever been some really compelling

1437
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,880
or interesting npc community of

1438
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,359
creatures or

1439
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:38,079
whatever that's made you go oh that's

1440
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:40,160
that's raised an eyebrow or i'm really

1441
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:42,240
interested to see where

1442
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,480
you know what happens there rather than

1443
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,400
it just being generic fantasy town a

1444
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,440
full of faceless

1445
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,359
minions

1446
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:53,520
that's a good one

1447
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:55,280
um i'm not a dm myself i have kind of

1448
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,960
tried a couple of times and i'm hoping

1449
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,920
to try more this year

1450
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,440
but i'm i'm not the best like improving

1451
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,920
like thinking on my feet and be able to

1452
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,839
like tie things in uh so i very much

1453
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,240
enjoy being a player i apologize for

1454
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:10,240
asking you these questions then

1455
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,160
no you're good you're good

1456
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,000
um so i definitely enjoy being like a

1457
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,480
player because then i

1458
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,319
get to rely on making the dm work to be

1459
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,760
like no do this

1460
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:22,800
because i never know what to do um

1461
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,960
but

1462
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,880
i've played in quite a few groups which

1463
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,880
is really cool again i've done a lot of

1464
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,040
one-shots so i've got to

1465
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,119
experience a lot of in real life groups

1466
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,440
at the table through many different

1467
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,720
backgrounds and personality types good

1468
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,800
and bad

1469
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:40,880
but i've done a lot of one-shots i'm in

1470
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,440
a couple of campaigns

1471
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,160
and when it comes to thinking of like in

1472
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,480
in-game communities uh there's a

1473
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,760
campaign that i plan on saturdays on the

1474
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,079
eos raincode channel and

1475
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,520
a previous guest of mine funnily enough

1476
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,400
that's awesome

1477
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,559
uh

1478
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:03,680
he is an amazing dm uh the worlds that

1479
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:06,000
he creates like he's he's amazing and he

1480
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,480
knows how to tie things in which i love

1481
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,839
uh so much uh because he's been able to

1482
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,640
do some really cool things with my

1483
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:14,160
character and it's been a lot of fun

1484
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,480
uh but i think

1485
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:19,599
one of the cool things that uh he's done

1486
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:23,119
is uh it's kind of like a cultist group

1487
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:25,040
uh so there's it ties into like the

1488
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:26,559
bbeg and like the different things that

1489
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,319
have been happening in the world and all

1490
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,359
the evil so they're the group of the bad

1491
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:31,760
guys

1492
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:33,839
uh but he's done some really cool things

1493
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,079
where like we've got to meet a lot of

1494
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:38,319
the bad guy groups the bad guys from the

1495
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:40,559
group individually and like one of them

1496
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:42,480
we even kind of liked and like had

1497
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,319
employed and like you know

1498
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,079
got like stuff from them

1499
00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:48,880
uh then one of them was like my

1500
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:50,640
characters like arch nemesis like she

1501
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,720
was going down doesn't matter she's good

1502
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,920
or bad that was my character's arch

1503
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,520
nemesis

1504
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,240
uh then we had like a couple of other

1505
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,720
like run-ins with other characters and

1506
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:03,359
so like when we had the big reveal that

1507
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:05,440
all of these people were connected uh

1508
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:07,280
and like we got to know them and we knew

1509
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,079
who they were and what they were doing

1510
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,839
like it made it so much cooler um to

1511
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,280
kind of see like

1512
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:14,559
their motives were definitely bad so it

1513
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,720
wasn't necessarily like we got to see

1514
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:18,640
them as real people and good people

1515
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:21,119
but we got to like see who they really

1516
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,520
were and to see that like

1517
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:25,599
everybody in the world was connected

1518
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,880
even the bad guys was really neat

1519
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,200
especially with our own group because

1520
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,760
then we found other allied groups uh

1521
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,960
like my favorite are the kishi warriors

1522
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,440
definitely check them out in the

1523
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,359
campaign uh there's a ton of lore behind

1524
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,240
them but basically uh

1525
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:42,240
to really just put it flat out uh just

1526
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:46,240
quickly uh they're basically like

1527
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:49,040
warriors in animal like shaped armor uh

1528
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:51,040
super like strong morals and beliefs and

1529
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,880
we got a kind of adventure with them and

1530
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,000
like they lost one of them and their

1531
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,240
party

1532
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,480
and like that was a huge thing like now

1533
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:01,280
our group has this huge like

1534
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,160
vendetta against the bad guys for taking

1535
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,599
away

1536
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,760
uh and just

1537
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:07,440
being awful and desecrating one of their

1538
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,119
party members because we're already that

1539
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,119
combined and then

1540
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:13,200
i don't know why i just love shipping

1541
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:15,839
characters so i've already shipped my

1542
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,680
character with one of the uh warriors

1543
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:20,400
and so like i'm definitely invested in

1544
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:23,040
those npcs and it's because we got to

1545
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,960
see them as people even though it was

1546
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,960
one guy playing all these characters

1547
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,720
they all had their own lives that were

1548
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,520
interconnected together

1549
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:34,160
and again whether we were supporting

1550
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,559
each other on one side or were combined

1551
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:39,119
in the effort to take down another group

1552
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:41,040
it was just really cool to see uh how

1553
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:43,599
all the personalities and relationships

1554
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,319
uh inner inner weaved whatever the word

1555
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:48,480
is combined with each other yeah yeah

1556
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:50,240
yeah as i said like it's so easy well

1557
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,559
let me rephrase that then it's very

1558
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,559
difficult then as a dm to

1559
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,160
to have that but the payout is there

1560
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,319
it's it's it's quite easy to have as i

1561
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,160
said like a his here's a fantasy city

1562
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:02,640
that's populated by fantasy people and

1563
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,160
everyone kind of knows what you mean and

1564
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,400
it is what it is but it's very easy then

1565
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,319
to just slip into that like

1566
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,000
murder hoboe i don't

1567
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:11,520
the these people aren't they are they're

1568
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,280
not really people they're just kind of

1569
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,960
stick figures walking down the road kind

1570
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,640
of like blurry out of focus because they

1571
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,640
haven't really been rendered properly

1572
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:22,079
which out to do for a big city but uh

1573
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,520
there are subtle ways to to

1574
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:26,079
help increase

1575
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,319
increase that resolution as it were on a

1576
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:31,599
set of npcs using my video game

1577
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:33,280
terminology again here uh

1578
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,520
and to make them interesting and unique

1579
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,359
but it is again as to loop background to

1580
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,599
what we mentioned before it is part of

1581
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:41,920
putting that putting that effort in to

1582
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:43,760
building community in game but then as

1583
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,040
you've just described it helps you to

1584
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,760
build your communities outside of the

1585
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,280
game too as as you know we've we've got

1586
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,200
a six degrees of separation thing going

1587
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,319
on here now which is great

1588
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,920
i don't know how many more guests

1589
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:55,170
previous guests you could mention before

1590
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,520
in the next four minutes

1591
00:54:55,170 --> 00:54:59,520
[Laughter]

1592
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,079
but one funny thing talking about like

1593
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,599
taking those like in-game characters uh

1594
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,680
it's really fun because i met them

1595
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:09,440
through the hope for ttrpg

1596
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:11,200
um and so our like group chat is in the

1597
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,960
discord channel it's just like hidden so

1598
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,319
other people can't see it but it's there

1599
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,680
we've got secrets uh but it's there and

1600
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:19,040
there's like these funny like i don't

1601
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,799
know if it's an app but where you can

1602
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,720
take a picture and then like it animates

1603
00:55:20,799 --> 00:55:25,040
the face look like it's saying whatever

1604
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,880
the audio is doing uh and so really

1605
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,280
funny thing that they did after our last

1606
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,599
huge session uh was that they took like

1607
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,599
the characters image tokens and like had

1608
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:35,599
them like singing a song that fits so

1609
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:38,079
well for their theme song and like that

1610
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:40,240
was just hilarious and a great moment

1611
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,760
that i was just like i love this we can

1612
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,520
take those moments in and out of the

1613
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,920
table and just laugh about them and

1614
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,280
create side stories while we're just

1615
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,960
talking together

1616
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,880
and that that was just a really funny

1617
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,720
thing and totally recommend whatever the

1618
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,480
application is if you have a theme song

1619
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,559
for a character find what that is to

1620
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,480
watch your character like sing it and

1621
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:00,319
it's it's hilarious

1622
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,599
that's like we've stumbled on like a

1623
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:04,319
really good

1624
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,839
role play motivation question there like

1625
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:07,760
outside of like you're at a bar and what

1626
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:10,090
do you order to drink or wine or beer or

1627
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,599
water okay cool what's your theme song

1628
00:56:10,090 --> 00:56:13,760
[Laughter]

1629
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,920
is another layer of like god why am i a

1630
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,640
wrestler now i get you know in a way you

1631
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,160
are a hero you're a star so yeah like

1632
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,680
absolutely what is your theme song and

1633
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,920
now i'm gonna have to go and think about

1634
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,440
my character's theme song after this

1635
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,119
recording that's my evening sword so

1636
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,520
thank you very much

1637
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:31,200
you're welcome actually my spotify is

1638
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,210
all just like playlists that i've made

1639
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,400
for characters

1640
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:36,000
[Laughter]

1641
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,359
um is there anything that you want to

1642
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,000
talk about that we haven't had a chance

1643
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:40,880
to yet i was thinking about this before

1644
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,599
like

1645
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:46,319
what do i want to talk about um

1646
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:47,599
i guess a big thing is just

1647
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:49,839
there are a lot of parasocial

1648
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:52,079
relationships out there too uh it's

1649
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:54,000
great to interact with each other uh but

1650
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,839
it's also really important to make sure

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that you're staying true to yourself and

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what you're comfortable with

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there's a lot of room for growth but

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there's also a lot of room for burnout

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so just make sure that you're doing

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00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:07,359
check-ins with yourself on what your

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00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,040
goals are and what you're you're wanting

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00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:11,119
out of uh you know being a part of

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00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,640
social media what your goals are and

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they don't have to be anything big it

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00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,040
doesn't have to be like well i want a

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thousand followers or you know i want to

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00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,319
do this many things like your goals can

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00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,200
literally just be

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i just want to find somebody to talk to

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i just want to get out there i want to

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00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,319
just speak with somebody especially

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00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,160
nowadays where

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00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:32,480
uh in real life communications can be

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00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,839
really cut off uh even just having the

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00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,680
goal of being like i just want to find

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somewhere where i can

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00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,240
just post pictures of my cats destroyed

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00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,119
toys to just have fun talking with

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00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,920
people

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00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:47,200
go for it those are great goals to have

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00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:50,319
and just be yourself uh and just have

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00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,640
fun with it there are so many different

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00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:54,720
rules and advice and tips that you can

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00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,720
have when it comes to being a creator

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00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,799
and even if you're not a creator seeing

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00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,960
all of that can make you really question

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00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:02,799
like oh well my social media pages

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00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,400
aren't that don't compare yourself to

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00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:07,440
everybody else because whatever you're

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00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,520
doing is unique and people will find you

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00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,960
for you in the right space and i just

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00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,400
think it's really important to kind of

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00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,640
keep that in mind because if you're not

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00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,559
having fun and if you're not being who

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00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,119
you are then you're going to get burnt

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00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:21,520
out and just not have fun and eventually

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00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,559
maybe even walk away from the project

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00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,240
and

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00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,920
that's especially in our space that's

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00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,000
not what tt rpgs are meant for they're

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00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,160
not meant to be walked away from

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,920
i believe they're there to be for you be

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00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,920
there for you no matter what whether

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00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,680
it's to have those characters where you

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00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,440
are using it to process something going

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,520
on in your own life or whether you're

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,520
having a character just to laugh for a

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00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,079
night with some other people

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,400
tt rpgs are meant to be enjoyed so

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00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:47,680
whether you're a consumer or a creator

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00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,240
make sure that you're always having fun

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00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,839
with it and that you are making sure

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00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,160
that you're taking the space and the

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00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:55,760
time for yourself to just renew your

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00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,640
batteries that way when you get that

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00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:01,119
chance uh to meet some new people and

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00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,839
create your own mini communities that

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00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,799
you can enjoy it as much as you can

1715
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:08,720
thank you very very um eloquently put

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00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:10,799
there to bring us out of the show so

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00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,839
thank you very much hope uh is there

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00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:16,799
anything that you would like to promote

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00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:19,119
oh goodness technically there's a lot

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00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:20,960
uh so the best way to do it if you are

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00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:22,319
interested in the hope for ttrpg's

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00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,359
community or just want to get more

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00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:27,280
involved in any kind of ttrpg community

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00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:28,640
uh we have a lot of resources so check

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00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,559
us out on

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00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,799
all the social medias the twitter's the

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00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:35,680
biggest then there comes the discord

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00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:38,079
i'm on basically everything else and in

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00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,760
my bio of any of those pages is my link

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00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:42,079
tree where you can find the links to the

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00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,359
other pages an invite link to the

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00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,960
discord

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00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:46,400
there's a bunch of other projects that

1734
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,400
i'm a part of that you can check out

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00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,839
there i'd love to see y'all on twitch

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00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,160
because that's where i get to do a lot

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00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:54,480
of fun things with the community as well

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00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,799
uh let's see here on

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,559
wednesday nights we do a brand new show

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00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:00,319
where we get different creators on and

1741
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:03,520
different people in the community on uh

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01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:04,880
just a chat and play a rolling game to

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01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,680
answer questions and get to know each

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01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,839
other

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01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,359
um friday nights in the community uh

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01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:10,880
through the discord we get to do game

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01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:13,599
nights so if you're interested in games

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01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,640
like among us goose goo stuck jax box

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01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,400
games

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01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,200
code words and any other free to play

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01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,960
game

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01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,280
come join us on friday nights just to

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01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,160
chat and have fun just playing a random

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01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,000
game

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01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,160
together with the community

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,480
and then sundays is our community

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,799
support stream uh where i hop on twitch

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01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,040
and i talk about some amazing people and

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01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:35,119
projects happening in the community

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,599
and it's a great chance to gather

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01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:39,920
together uh in the same space on twitch

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01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:41,760
on sundays at 3 p.m central

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01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,040
to just have fun seeing what's out there

1764
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,640
in the community and connecting with the

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01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,480
others that are there

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01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,880
so that's basically where you can find

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,480
me lots of stuff going on uh and of

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01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,920
course i also have a couple of affiliate

1769
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,839
codes so a few things like if you like

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01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,359
things like t-shirts and dice definitely

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01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:57,359
check out the link tree for that too as

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01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:59,040
there's a bunch of discount codes uh to

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01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:00,559
help support other

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01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,040
creators as well

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01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:05,359
awesome thank you so much as always as

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01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,160
usual everything will be in the episode

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01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:09,599
description and notes for those uh make

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01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,520
it nice and convenient for you you're

1779
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:12,480
welcome listeners to click through on

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01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,359
all these

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01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,839
lovely lovely links so the only thing

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01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:19,839
left from me to say is

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01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:21,280
from yeah from me to say yeah that makes

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01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:22,559
sense is

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01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,599
thank you ever so much for joining us

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01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,440
today i hope that was a really

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01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:31,200
cool and interesting and dynamic and

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01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:33,200
like meta discussion around ttrpgs uh so

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01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,040
thank you thank you ever so much oh yeah

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,119
thank you so much for having me i love

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01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,079
chatting and i love being able to talk

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01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:42,160
about the community that we've built

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01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:44,880
ah awesome and i'm

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01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,960
flattered to be the venue for you the

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01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,160
medium through which you can do that

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01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,400
otherwise

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,359
as usual to everybody at home listening

1798
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,440
my own

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01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:55,200
gorgeous little community of listeners

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,520
out there thank you ever so much as

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01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:02,160
usual for listening

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:04,799
like follow spotify rating patreon links

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01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,559
socials click me please that would be

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01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:08,960
very appreciated

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01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:11,039
otherwise thank you all for listening

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01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,720
and good night

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01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:13,599
and now it's time for the patreon shout

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01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,760
outs

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01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:18,880
thank you to robert hartley

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01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:21,760
dm for viva la dirt league and writer on

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,359
the dnd logic web series

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01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,160
i would encourage everybody to check him

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01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:27,200
out at robert hartley gm on twitter and

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01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,440
twitch

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01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,839
thank you to optional rule a two time

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,640
guest of the show and a very insightful

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01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:35,920
and knowledgeable source of information

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01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,920
please check them out at

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01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,920
www.optionalrule.com

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01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:44,640
huge huge huge thank you to a great

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01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,119
friend of the show matthew perkins who's

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01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:49,440
out there making hilarious and

1823
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:51,319
educational dungeons and dragons content

1824
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,960
please go and check out his stuff at

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01:02:51,319 --> 01:02:55,440
matthewperkins.net where you can find

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01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,960
links to all of his socials and all of

1827
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,640
his content including his own patreon

1828
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,400
which i would very much encourage you to

1829
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,359
check out

1830
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:05,280
thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

1831
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:06,559
on twitter for supporting the show

1832
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,480
if you need support running your

1833
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:11,760
personal or business schedule head to

1834
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,440
virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,520
make that difference between should do

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01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,280
and done boss it better with support

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01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,599
from cat who will help you get back that

1838
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,039
essential time you've been searching for

1839
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,960
if you would like to support what we do

1840
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:25,680
and get four shout outs a month head

1841
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,200
over to patreon.com thinking critically

1842
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,180
or you can just buy me a coffee at

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01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:58,400
kofi.com thinking critically

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01:03:31,180 --> 01:03:38,310
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