Chaos

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welcome thinkers to season four episode

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10 of thinking critically two

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announcements today the first one

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is i've got a new patreon so i want to

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say thank you to joe from the fourth leg

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podcast be sure to listen to the end to

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hear their shout outs

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and just a reminder that i am streaming

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at twitch.tv

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thinking critically every tuesday

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sometimes every other tuesday so if you

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want to hear me dm you can come along to

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otherwise let's get on with the show

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today i'm joined by aaron from

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aaron's games thank you ever so much for

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joining us today aaron can you tell us a

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little bit about yourself my pleasure

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i'm aaron i run a channel

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feed called aaron's games purely because

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i like games

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i had started a gaming channel way back

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when i used to run a film company

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and i was like i'll have a second

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channel just for gaming and it never

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went anywhere and then lockdown happened

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and i was like oh i'll just i'll do this

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again because i've got not much else to

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do um so it's got actual play it's got

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reviews it's got previews it's got all

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sorts of fun things quite a lot of dead

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by daylight videos on there but

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um yeah a bit of everything because i

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just i like playing games and it's it's

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for sharing good times with the friends

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i've made so yeah that's me

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i think i it's weird now you've

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mentioned it i think i remember that

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initial tweet of you being like hey this

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account hasn't been used for a while but

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i'm gonna

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spin it back up again it's weird i'm

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having this weird like

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nostalgia almost or something that only

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happened in the exceptionally recent

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history yeah yeah

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um anyway today's topic is chaos and in

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the spirit of chaos this is the first

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episode ever when i have deliberately

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not made any notes

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i'm trying to i'm trying to channel the

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chaotic energy here

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fingers crossed it's not just 50 minutes

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of dead air

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anyway

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uh as today's topic is chaos what is

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that what does that mean to you aaron in

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the d and wider ttrpg framework i've

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come to realize um that chaos is is a

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major component of my games um

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talking specifically about like the

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player characters that i have played

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pretty much all of them have revolved

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around some element of chaos um there's

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two main ones which are

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very clearly chaotic chaotic bastards as

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i like to call them um but i just like i

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just really like

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is such a big subject but i just really

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the unexpected and um it's part of why i

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love dnd is because

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it's the result of this massive equation

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there's all these elements of this

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equation like all the dice that you

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rolls another number all these all these

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things add up and there are literally

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billions and billions and billions of

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combinations of these things just from

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the dice

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and then you have you know four to six

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players

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on average around a table and the dm and

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each one of them has got an input and

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all of that is a is a separate uh value

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in this equation and it's just

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it it's as i say it's why i love dnd

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because it is so

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vast and and impossible to predict in

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some ways like obviously you can you can

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prep a game and you can run a game and

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you haven't have an idea of what happens

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but as any dm listing will know ah your

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players aren't gonna do that

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who knows what they're gonna do

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and i really love that and i i really

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enjoy embracing chaos i think because

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in real life life tends to be quite

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structured and yeah you get up you go

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get on a train you go to work you sit at

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work all day you get the train home you

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sit down and you do your evening routine

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structure structure structure you know

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it's fine but it's not particularly

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exciting at times because that makes me

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sound like really depressing but

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when when i game uh dnd or anything

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really i just embrace the

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wonderful nonsense of chaos um and it's

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partly why i love being an improviser as

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because we never know what we're going

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to do or say or be asked for and it's

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such a freeing thing to let go of the

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worry of

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oh no what what am i going to say what

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do i have to say

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and just go with the flow so yeah chaos

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everything absolutely everything in

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other words yeah

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i do like the point there about that

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obviously there's so much discourse in

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the hobby around and it goes through

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loops you and i are both aware

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especially twitter will just go through

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cycles every three months the same

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discussion will come up yeah and one of

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those will be inevitably you know

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railroading sandbox blah blah blah blah

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blah which are pretty by the by and you

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know each table to their own and it's

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the same discussions over and over again

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and it's ironic

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that those discussions happen at all

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considering as you've just mentioned the

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game is inherently

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chaotic right it's it's at literally

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by design

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at the whims of

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chance

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yeah exactly yeah which is which is the

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most chaotic thing

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at you know ever it's it's it's you know

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russian roulette it's flip a coin it's

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what could this could go it's in

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completely out of my control so do i do

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quite like that duality between

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and obviously there are some things that

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are in people's controls but it's

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inherently you know the moment you roll

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that dice that's it it's not in any way

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anyone's hands anymore and i can see why

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that is

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i think you've articulated it very well

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i think a lot of people struggle to

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say what keeps them coming back to the

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table and it's maybe a compelling story

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it's it's maybe to be scored on board

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gain xp but i think

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if we're probably being really true to

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ourselves i think more people than

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might be able to admit it is that

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desire of just

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you know letting go in a way you know

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and just being like

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nothing matters anymore

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i'm just i'm just having fun there's no

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there's no lines to learn

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there's no

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you know barriers to entry there's no

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responsibilities in a way apart from the

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obvious stuff of like being a nice human

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i mean it's it's literally baked into

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the title you know role playing game you

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are playing a role you are forgetting

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yourself or you know if you really get

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into it you are forgetting yourself and

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taking on this this new role and you can

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do anything you can be anyone you can be

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a piece of bread that carries itself

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around with mage hand you can you know

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anything you want uh is possible

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obviously dm approval subject to status

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and other terms conditions apply but

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that is that freedom of like right i'm

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not going to be mr boring nine to five

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daily work job i'm gonna be this

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exciting adventurer who can go and save

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an entire village or perhaps even the

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world you know yeah such a wonderful

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experience in a way

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and one thing i really love particularly

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love about dnd and role-playing games in

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general is introducing someone else yeah

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and bringing them into the world i

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recently

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started a new group with people i work

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with we just happened to

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get onto the conversation of d at one

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point and one of them went oh i'd love

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to learn d d

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and i was like oh i'll teach you and

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then everyone else around the table is

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like hey can can we play i was like hell

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yeah you could play

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so we put together this this group and i

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i told them when we were starting up

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that people who don't know the game and

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haven't fallen into those like tropes

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because there are there are anchoring

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points and there are common

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uh factors that do come up a lot

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etcetera but when people are just that

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new to the game the possibilities are

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incredible like it's the i think of

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something like the fourth

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maybe the fifth time i've run the

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opening of lost minds of fandalva

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because i've had a few other groups who

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are new to the game i've just played

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that because i know it so well

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and it's just again each time just a

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completely different set of tactics like

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these guys uh the first goblin encounter

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they tried to reason with them

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one of them realized he could speak

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goblin and spoke goblin to them and

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that's the first group i've ever had

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that tried that and it's just i love it

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it's just

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the same story

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five different ways and

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you know infinite possibilities beyond

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that so

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yeah that's

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it's such a

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such a vast experience and you can't

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possibly confer that on someone else

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there's there's people who go dnd's for

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nerds [ __ ] that you know yeah and have

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that very closed-off attitude to it but

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yeah when you're in when you're through

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that door and you realize that the scope

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of what you can do i don't think there's

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any feeling like it i really don't i

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know that's cheesy

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but uh honestly it's like it's

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yeah how else do you classify it really

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have you watched uh it's always sunny in

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philadelphia i've seen some of it yeah i

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think i'm about halfway through series

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two oh okay well you've got lots a lot

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of good stuff to look forward to

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an episode in a later season what you've

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just described reminds me there's an

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episode in the latest season when

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they're at a convenience store

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and a a robber comes in and you know

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holds up the

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store owner or whatever behind the

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behind the counter and they all

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that the point of the episode is they

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all have these fantasies about it goes

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into each one of their heads one by one

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that goes into their fantasies about how

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act in that situation smack turns into

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like karate king and like fights off

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oh it's the triads that have come in and

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he fights up all these guys and then

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charlie saves the day and wins the girl

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and all this other stuff but that it's

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the same premise but each go on these

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like wildly different

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tangents and that reminded me of what

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you've just described like it's the same

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story but told in five different ways

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that it's the exact

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same

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thing

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which is unique to the

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medium i think i mean yes you've got

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your mass effects and dragon ages but

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did you punch the reporter in mass

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effect yes or no oh okay we've now

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reached the end of

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yeah of of how unique those stories can

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be

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i mean i'm being facetious i'm doing it

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a disservice mass effect is one of my

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favorite franchises of all time

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but still it you know is inherently

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limited that is the essence of it isn't

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it like even the most sprawling video

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game worlds will still have

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a limit on scripts like you'll have a

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set number of options that are available

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and you can use those options in lots of

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different ways blah blah

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but it's still just restricted by that

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world whereas dnd is just not the only

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restriction is what the players can come

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up with and what the dm can roll with

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and you know obviously there's lines and

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veils and things like that but sure

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it's just infinite possibility and i

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can't be the same thing but anything can

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happen and that's that's one of the key

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things i try and get across to people

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when they don't understand or don't

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appreciate the game

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is that it's not it's not just nerds

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with dice yeah okay that is a lot of it

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but

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it's not just that it is

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this world where you can do anything

325
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whatever you choose to do

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the dm if they're worth their salt will

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have a reaction

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you know they might need to go okay give

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me 15 minutes i need to prepare a battle

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map but you know they will just roll

331
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with it and the world changes based on

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the actions of the players and i i just

333
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yeah it's just

334
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like every time i like think about it

335
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and stop and analyze what it is that i

336
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love about dnd so much i get into this

337
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this mindset of the impossible

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scope of

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possibility and it just it's just like

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it's just evangelical to me i'm not

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religious at all but if d and d could be

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classed as a religion then i would

343
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definitely sign up

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you'd be a cleric if yeah exactly excuse

345
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me cleric of dice yeah

346
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i look i love i absolutely love how the

347
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topic of today's discussion was was

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chaos and a lot of people would jump to

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like

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you know murder hobos and going off the

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rails and

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and within the first 15 minutes we've

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spun it into like no that is it's great

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that that

355
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that's the the chaos is great that's the

356
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good thing it's not this bad thing that

357
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we have to kind of curtail it's no it's

358
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it's it's the nature of the beast itself

359
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i think that is an important

360
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mantra is to kind of just embrace that

361
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chaos because

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when you're playing the game

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as a player sat around a table you are

364
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one

365
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cog in this machine and

366
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there's six other people around you

367
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putting their inputs in so you can't go

368
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into that game

369
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expecting to be

370
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right this is what i'm gonna do this is

371
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what's gonna happen blah blah blah if

372
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you want that go to a video game you're

373
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gonna put oh this is what my character

374
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does

375
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and then someone else will go wow my

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character says this in response and

377
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you're like oh yeah well and then my

378
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character was gonna swing his sword at

379
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you you know you have to let go of the

380
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idea of you being in control

381
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you can control the things you know like

382
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your character sheet and your weapons

383
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and abilities and spells and all that

384
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but you can't control the game you can

385
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control your reaction to the game and

386
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that's that's an important thing to do i

387
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think and it kind of ties into um the

388
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main reason i suggested chaos as a topic

389
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is because of these characters that i

390
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play

391
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so i'll talk about

392
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one first and then the other so the one

393
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of the main ones to talk about is my

394
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longest character which is plume in the

395
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wind

396
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or plume to his friends um he is a

397
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tabaxi druid

398
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circle of the moon of course

399
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and

400
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it's been a while since i've done the

401
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accent because oh here we

402
00:14:28,839 --> 00:14:38,079
go he actually died um yeah so we we

403
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right let me preface this with uh the

404
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fact that my dm is incredible um and

405
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anyone listening to this who's familiar

406
00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,920
with harlan and his world

407
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uh will

408
00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,880
immediately be nodding wherever they're

409
00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,399
listening to this you know just normally

410
00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,040
go yup yup yup

411
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um but his world is incredible and i'm

412
00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,839
so grateful to him when he invited me to

413
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play

414
00:14:55,839 --> 00:14:59,920
that he let me play plume again because

415
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plume was from a previous campaign

416
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that actually ended um it was started in

417
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lockdown early lockdown and came to an

418
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end because

419
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the players were ridiculous of which i

420
00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,440
was one of them

421
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but it got a bit much for the dm to run

422
00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,920
and he was having some life changes

423
00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:20,399
anyway so it was kind of like right

424
00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,079
let's put this on hold and for the first

425
00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:23,519
few months we were kind of like okay

426
00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:26,000
we'll come back to this and then it it

427
00:15:23,519 --> 00:15:27,360
was a weekly game as well that's what

428
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,440
such a sudden

429
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,360
halt um but he never came back so when

430
00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,199
harlan invited me to his world

431
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i asked him i said look i don't i don't

432
00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:36,639
mind if you say no but

433
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can i please play this character that i

434
00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:40,880
was playing before because i never got

435
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to finish his story like i had a an idea

436
00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,360
in mind of of his how his story was

437
00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:47,440
going to develop and where i wanted to

438
00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,680
take him and he i think we got to like

439
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,759
level seven in that campaign and i was

440
00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,120
out on if i could could start again with

441
00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:55,199
him so i went all the way back to level

442
00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,199
one made a few different choices but a

443
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few of the same and that was where he

444
00:15:57,199 --> 00:16:02,959
first got an accent um because i

445
00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:04,880
before that i was new to dnd i only i've

446
00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:06,959
only been playing dnd for two and a half

447
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,199
years maybe three now

448
00:16:06,959 --> 00:16:10,720
so i set myself

449
00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:12,959
the expectation of like i want this

450
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,959
character to have an accent um and i was

451
00:16:12,959 --> 00:16:17,600
like right what what accents can i do

452
00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:19,680
well and i settled on an australian

453
00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,839
accent so i think it was like eight or

454
00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,839
nine episodes in or sessions in i was

455
00:16:21,839 --> 00:16:25,199
like right guys plum's got an accent now

456
00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:27,279
just go with it

457
00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:28,800
and um right let me see if i can do it

458
00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:31,759
because it has been a while bloom's

459
00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:34,639
mindset is very particular so he's like

460
00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:37,440
oh hey guys how's it going yeah we're

461
00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:39,759
gonna go and rob a [ __ ] backyard

462
00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,440
and it's that sort of vibrant literally

463
00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:43,680
whatever

464
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,320
whatever we were doing

465
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,800
his philosophy and i mean plume is just

466
00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,240
an extension of myself really if i can

467
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,880
get away with doing the stuff that he

468
00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,800
does then i would do it yeah i'm gonna

469
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,399
go to the casino mate yeah put all my

470
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,079
money on red yeah

471
00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:00,639
uh and that actually happened he bet

472
00:16:58,079 --> 00:17:03,120
three thousand gold on red and one and

473
00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:06,319
then put nine thousand gold on black and

474
00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,319
lost it all so

475
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,039
but the other the players around the

476
00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,039
table when that happened they were like

477
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what the [ __ ] are you doing that's more

478
00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:15,439
money than we've ever seen i was like

479
00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:18,079
yeah mate put it on red it's fine

480
00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:22,559
and it was gone again yeah so that's he

481
00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:24,160
was extremely chaotic but it was always

482
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i always made sure that it was never to

483
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the detriment of the other players like

484
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,880
plume is chaotic and ridiculous but he's

485
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,280
also not one to put anyone else in

486
00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,880
danger like he he's he doesn't give a

487
00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,880
[ __ ] by himself that was one of his

488
00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,640
things is that caution is is no place

489
00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,919
for a life life lived to the fullest

490
00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:44,400
yeah and yeah i fully embraced that so

491
00:17:41,919 --> 00:17:47,600
we went to ark i think it was a casino

492
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:50,559
we were breaking into and he

493
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wild shaped into a mosquito and flew up

494
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one of the vents

495
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and then went to try and find

496
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a way into the guards room or something

497
00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,039
and ended up in this elevator with

498
00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:04,880
like in the end eight guards rushed him

499
00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:06,240
and they literally surrounded him and it

500
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,720
was one of my favorite moments in the

501
00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,640
game ever and it was

502
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,480
harlan playing these guards were like

503
00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,200
hey you fluffy

504
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,880
you're coming with us man and

505
00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,600
they're like you've got nowhere to go

506
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,840
you're trapped and i at that moment

507
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,960
plume channeled uh chuck norris and he's

508
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,720
like hey guys guys come here uh i'm not

509
00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,760
trapped in here with you you're trapped

510
00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,520
in here with me

511
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,160
and the guards are like oh yeah but

512
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,080
there's eight of us and blue was like uh

513
00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,440
yeah i know i'm just trying to be a bit

514
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,120
brave you know because i'm [ __ ]

515
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,640
myself so if you could just go with the

516
00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:43,760
line that'd be really great you're gonna

517
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:46,000
kill me in a moment um as it happens his

518
00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,760
friends caught up and managed to

519
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,160
wade into the fight but

520
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:53,120
yeah he's a he's a [ __ ] bag but i love

521
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,679
him so much um this crazy druid one of

522
00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:58,799
one of his favorite tactics was to

523
00:18:55,679 --> 00:19:00,960
cast counter animals summon two tigers

524
00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:03,919
and then become a third tiger himself

525
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,200
and just have this triple tiger fighting

526
00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:06,080
so much fun

527
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,840
and

528
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,080
he would go running around cities and

529
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,480
climbing buildings and and he got stuck

530
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,799
up a chimney once so it was very funny

531
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,640
um

532
00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:18,240
i'm gonna run up that building mate uh

533
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,080
just wait here and then he got to the

534
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:24,520
top and he's like oh [ __ ] it's a bit

535
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,520
high meow meow

536
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,760
and then the other one of the other

537
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,120
players launched themselves up to to

538
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,160
rescue him

539
00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:33,760
but

540
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,440
they got given uh a c ship and um i

541
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,000
don't think it was all plume's idea but

542
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,559
he definitely encouraged it um they

543
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,520
ended up putting a giant wooden dick on

544
00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:43,360
the front you know you normally have a

545
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,440
mermaid on the front of a ship yeah yeah

546
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:48,240
there's a name for that thing but yeah

547
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,480
yeah figurehead i think it is yes

548
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:54,320
they decided or we decided i should say

549
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:57,840
to put a giant wooden penis on the front

550
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,840
which is totally fair enough

551
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,559
and

552
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,480
unfortunately we

553
00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,919
out on the sea we came across this

554
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,240
dragon turtle

555
00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:09,679
and bloomberg plume jumped into the

556
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:11,679
water to give chase uh and turned into a

557
00:20:09,679 --> 00:20:13,840
shark and swam up to the turtle the

558
00:20:11,679 --> 00:20:16,080
turtle immediately obliterated the shark

559
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,640
leaving plume floundering the water

560
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,799
right there he had the option because he

561
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,039
had just i think was it level eight you

562
00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:24,559
get flying creatures he was gonna

563
00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:26,160
i was thinking of turning him into a

564
00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:29,520
giant eagle i was like nah plume

565
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:31,760
wouldn't do that he'd stay and fight and

566
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,400
yeah he got he got killed by a dragon

567
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,520
turtle and i don't know it was

568
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,760
like

569
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,000
it's weird because i'd always said to i

570
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,799
said to harlan don't pull your punches

571
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:45,600
man if if plumes dickery gets him killed

572
00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:47,520
then that's absolutely the way the game

573
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,960
should go and he was like nah no you'll

574
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,440
be fine you'll be fine and i was like

575
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,360
okay well just letting you know if if

576
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,679
you want to throw [ __ ] at us then you

577
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:58,799
can throw [ __ ] at us and i don't regret

578
00:20:55,679 --> 00:21:00,400
saying that but even so like

579
00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:02,799
i'd never experienced like losing a

580
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,960
character like that and it was

581
00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:07,039
it was heartbreaking because i do i do

582
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,200
love plume and he is he will always be

583
00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:12,159
my favorite because he was my first

584
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,720
and then harlan was like okay well uh

585
00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:16,799
something he did some deus ex machina to

586
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,799
end the fight and end the session and

587
00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:20,480
then we came back the next week and he

588
00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:24,159
was like right we're gonna we're gonna

589
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,440
have a funeral for plume um that episode

590
00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:26,880
we've recorded all these episodes and

591
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,480
we're gonna release them at some point

592
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,480
when we get when we get streaming but

593
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,919
that episode is called plumeral which

594
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,799
i'm very proud of

595
00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:35,200
um

596
00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:38,000
that's great i love a good fun bit of

597
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:41,360
gallows humor but like harlan had this

598
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:44,000
npc read this like four page speech and

599
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:45,679
i was i was destroyed i was sitting on

600
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,280
my desk i had to mute the mic turn off

601
00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:50,559
my camera because i was in floods of

602
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,720
tears and i was just like i loved it

603
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:54,960
in that you know there's this massive

604
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,440
impact to this character but

605
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,600
god that hit me in the heart

606
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,919
so yeah that it was his chaos which

607
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,760
which was the end of him but i think

608
00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:05,919
it was he was doing it in in the sake of

609
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,559
his friends yeah live by the chaos die

610
00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:11,120
by the chaos exactly exactly um and then

611
00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:12,559
i play in between that him and my

612
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:14,960
current character i played the death

613
00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:16,159
cleric just because i like the idea of

614
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,320
of having

615
00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:20,159
exploring that a bit more following him

616
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,799
leaving this kind of cleric just

617
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:24,720
shuffled up and was at the funeral um so

618
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:25,600
i took over with him but he wasn't

619
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,679
really

620
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,080
for me and a lot of the stuff that i was

621
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:32,080
doing uh was very similar to what

622
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,240
another player's character was doing and

623
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,559
i'm all about

624
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,559
not having

625
00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:40,400
doing the same [ __ ] yeah exactly because

626
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:42,320
if i'm if we're both trying to do that

627
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,520
it's not exciting for either of us

628
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:47,600
so then i um had another difficult

629
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,559
question for harlem because uh while

630
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:53,679
back i backed a kickstarter for a deck

631
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:55,039
of tarot cards and the adventurers taro

632
00:22:53,679 --> 00:22:57,120
just looking where i've put it by weird

633
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:59,120
works and they're beautiful cars they're

634
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:00,480
really really lovely hashtag not sponsor

635
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,600
but um

636
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,120
one of the other things that was cool

637
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,280
about them is that they came with a

638
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:07,520
custom class which is called the wild

639
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,799
oracle and

640
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:13,600
they use these cards to draw and that

641
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:14,880
determines what power you use and i'm i

642
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,520
should say this at this point as well

643
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,440
i'm a huge fan of the deck of many

644
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,600
things i [ __ ]

645
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,679
love the deck of many things and i put

646
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,000
it in my games as much as i physically

647
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:28,640
can not like every all the time but you

648
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,400
know where appropriate um but i love the

649
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,400
deck of many things because i love

650
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,880
firstly i love seeing people squirm when

651
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,679
they decide whether to choose or not and

652
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,039
then secondly i love the absolute raw

653
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:41,360
chaos that

654
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,520
occurs when suddenly 50 000 gold worth

655
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:46,000
of gems fall out of the sky you know

656
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,799
so i love that and when this wild oracle

657
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,200
class

658
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:51,600
came out i was like right i need to find

659
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,840
a way to play this character somehow and

660
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:57,039
create a character so i made this new

661
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,559
guy called xander xander grimm um he's a

662
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,880
skeleton because i don't like to do

663
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:03,039
anything normal that's boring

664
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,200
so he's this talking skeleton and he has

665
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:07,200
an accent as well uh so let me just let

666
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,720
me just get into that as well he talks

667
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,919
like this uh he's kind of like a

668
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,919
mix of nadia and laszlo from what we do

669
00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:18,640
in the shadows but also a little bit of

670
00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:20,720
a little bit of straw because all of my

671
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,640
uh npcs when i'm running curse of straw

672
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,720
they talk like this and i'm so used to

673
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,279
doing the accent so

674
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:30,480
xander has this accent and uh he tends

675
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:32,559
to talk about his uh

676
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,559
physical limitations uh we've had very

677
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:36,320
many philosophical conversations about

678
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:39,440
the fact that he cannot eat he cannot

679
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,279
breathe cannot drink uh has no testicles

680
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,520
doesn't have boobs you can see through

681
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,400
him he has no expression all that sort

682
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,640
of thing

683
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:50,000
and like i say he draws his power from

684
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,120
these cards and it's hilarious fun

685
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,279
because

686
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:55,360
he does he one of his abilities is that

687
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:56,880
he can scry so i can see that like the

688
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:59,279
first four cards or whatever and put

689
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,799
them in order but beyond that he just

690
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:03,120
genuinely doesn't really know what's

691
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,720
gonna happen and i like literally in

692
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,760
terms of embracing chaos i went from

693
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,919
plume chaotic soul to zander who is

694
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:13,600
literal chaos like

695
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:15,360
the chance of whatever um and the cards

696
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,080
like the stuff they can do so there's

697
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:20,640
one which is you get unlimited use of uh

698
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,320
sorcerers tides of chaos um so you can

699
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,320
change any role but you have to roll on

700
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,080
the wild magic table to do it i love the

701
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,679
wild magic table as well guess what i

702
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,279
guess you couldn't have predicted that

703
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:32,400
and there's also one which i think is

704
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,880
just

705
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,360
[ __ ] brilliant and i think it's like

706
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,440
i can't remember the actual card um but

707
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:41,840
it's

708
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,640
the description is you turn into a tree

709
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:47,279
okay and you can then throw apples at

710
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,200
people as an action

711
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:52,799
you make a range spell attack to throw

712
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:57,640
an apple uh and you have 150 hit points

713
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:57,640
and you revert when you die wow

714
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:13,840
groups where we were in a ra like an air

715
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,400
race so there's two dms each running an

716
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,360
airship and xander

717
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,200
was doing his usual chaotic stuff and um

718
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:22,559
one of the characters one of the other

719
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,080
characters went hey we should try and

720
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,600
take their airship down should we all

721
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,360
board them

722
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,360
and the other characters were like no

723
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:31,440
that's a stupid idea that's ridiculous

724
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:33,440
xander had already started running

725
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,039
ran off the side of the boat and jumped

726
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,279
onto this other ship which happened to

727
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:39,840
be like 40 or 50 feet below

728
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,520
and harlem went um okay give me one

729
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,679
moment and he dropped out of the the

730
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,279
call on discord and then he came back he

731
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:48,080
was like um aaron you're gonna need to

732
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:50,640
jump over to the other chat

733
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,600
so i went from our game across the other

734
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,440
group

735
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,880
thankfully a lot of whom i knew because

736
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000
that would have [ __ ] me right up

737
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,320
otherwise but there were you know there

738
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,559
were a fair few i didn't and it was like

739
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,640
oh hey guys my name is xander and then i

740
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:05,520
described that he lands three-point

741
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,760
landing superhero style on their deck

742
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,240
reaches into his ragged clothes pulls

743
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,559
out a deck of cards pulls the first card

744
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,679
and it was i think it was like the three

745
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:17,840
of beasts and you can summon an elephant

746
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:19,679
you're using it like a wmd like that

747
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,039
yeah literally like i didn't know what

748
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,640
was going to happen when i pulled that

749
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:24,240
card because i hadn't scribed that day i

750
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,720
just went right let's see what happens

751
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,960
landed on the deck pulled this card

752
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,200
big [ __ ] elephant appears and the

753
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,200
dm's like ah

754
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,400
right so your ship has just dropped 30

755
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,320
feet

756
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,039
and all the other players were like what

757
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,919
the [ __ ]

758
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:43,440
and it was hilarious and then i was like

759
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:44,880
one of them came up to me and it was a

760
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,480
rogue i think and she was just stabbing

761
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,159
stabbing slamming stabbing and i was

762
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,159
like i'm gonna die on this boat and my

763
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:52,960
friends are on the other boat and

764
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:54,399
it'll be hilarious um

765
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,000
and then i can't remember what happened

766
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:57,919
but there was like some portal thing at

767
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,320
the end of the race so we all got um

768
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:04,159
teleported to this new location there

769
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,080
was this giant goddess type mystical

770
00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:07,679
creature blah blah blah we were all then

771
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,679
fighting because she was she was the one

772
00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:11,600
who organized the race but i don't know

773
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:13,039
we'd broken the rules or something i

774
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,559
mean yeah what you've just spent 10

775
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,080
minutes describing sounds like a pretty

776
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,720
egregious

777
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,720
breaking of the rules yeah exactly um so

778
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,159
then we went back to our own chats and

779
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,600
then i was like right [ __ ] this i'm

780
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:26,559
gonna draw another card and became a

781
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,919
tree and that was it i was i was just

782
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,279
there everyone else was doing their

783
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:31,760
thing i was throwing an apple was

784
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:33,520
absolutely zero effectivity

785
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,360
um but it was so [ __ ] funny i

786
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,740
couldn't breathe i was just like i'm a

787
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,240
[ __ ] tree

788
00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:41,200
[Music]

789
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,840
it was great so yeah he's literal chaos

790
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,559
and i love it but it also because we're

791
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,919
gonna be streaming the game i'm getting

792
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,679
everything ready for that and i'm i'm

793
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:52,240
producing the stream so i've got like

794
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:53,840
obs running i make sure the map is

795
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,440
centered so actually

796
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,039
because xander doesn't have much in the

797
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,640
way of a character she can see all of

798
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,720
his abilities are based on these cards i

799
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,760
just have a list of cards a list of what

800
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,279
they do

801
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,159
and that's it i don't have to worry so

802
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:08,000
much about managing my house so um

803
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:10,320
it's freeing in that sense because of

804
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,960
all these all these other plates to spin

805
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,520
so yeah xander is a

806
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,110
literal chaotic

807
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,390
creature creature yeah yeah

808
00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:21,390
[Music]

809
00:29:23,980 --> 00:29:31,520
[Music]

810
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,520
let me get your advice then because

811
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,799
with different types of characters and

812
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,640
their different personalities and how

813
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:40,480
they approach things and whatnot there

814
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,320
is obviously obviously a huge variation

815
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,399
there sure you can have your stoic

816
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,640
fighters and pardons who are very you

817
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:48,159
know lawful good or awful neutral and do

818
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,360
everything by the book and this that and

819
00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:53,120
the other all the way up to the the

820
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,120
characters that you tend to play and

821
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,760
again there's there's inherently some

822
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,159
some friction there between those two so

823
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,360
someone with the experiences yourself

824
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:04,480
what

825
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:07,440
tips or what kind of approaches to that

826
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,440
chaotic energy have you found that

827
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,600
still pushes the game forward but

828
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,360
doesn't make that friction awkward or

829
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,919
make that friction uncomfortable for

830
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,080
other players it is it's a fine line i

831
00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:20,240
found you know there's sure it's very

832
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,799
easy to just be like whoops i'm gonna

833
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,399
fly in to the sun or make the world

834
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,440
explode lol isn't that fun and then

835
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:27,120
you've got five people sitting around

836
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,600
the table there like that's not fun [ __ ]

837
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,279
you man yeah yeah so where's that line

838
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,279
how do you how do you find that line and

839
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:35,600
how do you dance around it keeping

840
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:38,880
everybody you know entertained

841
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,799
is it is such a crucial line as well and

842
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,840
yeah it's great a great topic for us to

843
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:46,960
talk about it is about having that

844
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,720
understanding i think i'm very lucky in

845
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,960
the group that we have

846
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:56,000
we're very yes and you know the basic of

847
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:58,399
improv yes and accept and build we have

848
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,760
so many times we have derailed a session

849
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:01,520
just because

850
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,760
we've gone and wanted to do some random

851
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,120
[ __ ] that harlan hasn't

852
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,600
expected

853
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,120
but he's always ready for like

854
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,679
because we've all been playing i don't

855
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,200
know it's over a year i reckon

856
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:15,279
that we've been playing together we've

857
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,200
all fallen into this really nice groove

858
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,039
with each other and and

859
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,039
because i like i discovered it's

860
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:23,200
impossible for me to play anything other

861
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:25,440
than chaotic because i'm just

862
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,080
my impulses are too strong and that's

863
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,799
partly why elegant my cleric had to go

864
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,120
because he was supposedly lawful good i

865
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,080
was like i can't play this

866
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,960
yeah

867
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,720
um

868
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,080
but yeah i think you need to have that

869
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,559
you need to have that respect and

870
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,720
understanding um from the other players

871
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,480
but also towards the other players like

872
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,480
that's that's a crucial part of it is

873
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,600
that like i'm saying with plume like his

874
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,480
chaos was ridiculous at times but it

875
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,320
never

876
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,240
it was never to the detriment of others

877
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,760
um and it would if someone else was

878
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,600
doing something

879
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,679
it wouldn't be a case of ah [ __ ] that

880
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,320
plume is going to do

881
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:05,039
and you know overshadow it or derail or

882
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,440
whatever it was very much like

883
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,600
chaos is great but it has to be managed

884
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,440
and in short bursts so we wouldn't have

885
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,960
been able to handle it if plume had just

886
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,200
literally been

887
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,960
oh it's me all the time yeah let's go

888
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,519
right run around i've got the zoomies

889
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,960
you know um all the time

890
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,360
because you know even i would have got

891
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,519
bored of that it's not right to have a

892
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,360
game entirely of that you need to have

893
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,960
that understanding of

894
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,440
right i'm gonna take this game in a

895
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,760
weird direction and we're gonna enjoy it

896
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,840
but it needs to be

897
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,240
a set time it's gonna we're gonna find a

898
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,440
point where it comes to a natural

899
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,919
moment a little coda and we will move on

900
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,640
and and the dm either the dm will go and

901
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:48,399
now what are you guys doing or

902
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,880
i don't want to say i don't like having

903
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:52,080
the spotlight but i also know when to to

904
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,559
give it up

905
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,039
and i think that's this is gonna be me

906
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,480
opening up now it stems from me a lot of

907
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,080
the time feeling

908
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,159
backgrounded by people in in

909
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,480
conversations like i know exactly how it

910
00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:06,720
feels to be in a conversation and not

911
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,120
part of it and i'm so viscerally aware

912
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,799
of that that i'm so conscious of of

913
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,279
making sure everyone at the table gets

914
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,120
their time as well so i'm very much a

915
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:18,240
case of right if we're gonna if plume's

916
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,159
gonna go he's gonna [ __ ] go but also

917
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,679
he's gonna you know reign in when it's

918
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:22,559
time to not go

919
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:23,760
yeah

920
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,679
and i think that's the that's the

921
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,039
important thing that's the that's the um

922
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:31,600
the essence of it is play chaotic be as

923
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:33,919
[ __ ] fantastic as you like but you

924
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,960
need to have that consideration and that

925
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:39,279
understanding that it's not your game

926
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,440
it's not a so unless you're playing solo

927
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:43,760
one one-on-one with the dna

928
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,640
it's not your game you have to let other

929
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,519
people

930
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,720
have their moments and

931
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,880
yeah i think that i think that's the

932
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,960
most important thing and

933
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,279
xander has his turns and he draws a card

934
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,720
and some weird [ __ ] will happen

935
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,360
fine but it doesn't i don't think that

936
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,360
has any impact on anyone else um well

937
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,519
not yet he hasn't drawn the card where

938
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,320
suddenly 120 feet radius of the floor

939
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:08,480
turns to goo that's gonna be interesting

940
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,560
but like i think that because again

941
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,560
because the table we have

942
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,000
the other players would would love that

943
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,599
and i wouldn't have i wouldn't have

944
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,440
dreamed of doing

945
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:19,040
what i'm doing with xander if it wasn't

946
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560
that sort of table like the

947
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,679
understanding of

948
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,919
what the expectations are on a table is

949
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,679
so important you have to take stock of

950
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:30,079
the type of game you're playing yeah

951
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,839
i've got a bit of a a bit of a conflict

952
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,679
in my cursive stride game because some

953
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:36,079
of the players

954
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,919
myself included are deeply invested in

955
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:40,960
the story and you know loving the

956
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:43,839
darkness and the the horrible nature of

957
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,919
the the world etc but there's also some

958
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:47,679
players who are just i want to make

959
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:49,679
jokes and i want to make take the piss

960
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,240
out of everything so there's this rule

961
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,520
in congressness and i it's not a problem

962
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:55,040
like i don't mind

963
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,760
the game but

964
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,800
yeah balancing it out is tricky so we've

965
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,240
had some crazy interactions with blinsky

966
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,839
and we've had some really horrible

967
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,920
moments with straud

968
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:09,119
so i try and try and give

969
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,560
give an equal measure as best i can but

970
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,160
there needs to be that understanding of

971
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,520
the table of

972
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,760
right sometimes we're going to have

973
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,599
these really stupid jokey moments but

974
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,320
also sometimes we're gonna reign it in

975
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:23,119
and have these really heart-wrenching uh

976
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,720
horrible bits as well and that comes

977
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,320
into play with chaos it's one of those

978
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,079
things that you should check in with

979
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,680
your players if you're thinking about

980
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,280
playing a character like that check in

981
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,599
with your fellow players and just be

982
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,119
like hey how would you feel about this

983
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,160
um because i've heard so many stories

984
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,920
about

985
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,440
rogues wanting to steal from the rest of

986
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,920
the team blah blah blah

987
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,760
you can do that but you need to approve

988
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,119
it with with the other first you can't

989
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,280
just suddenly go i'm going to steal from

990
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,200
you because you're encroaching on their

991
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,400
experience fine if they sign up for it

992
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,640
they're like oh yeah that sounds really

993
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,680
funny do it but if you're if you haven't

994
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,079
got that

995
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,000
that understanding in place then yeah

996
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:00,560
that's not fair i don't think that's

997
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,400
that's right yeah nobody nobody likes

998
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,560
that guy that turns up to the

999
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,480
the friendly local gaming store and for

1000
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,000
a pickup group and it's immediately like

1001
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,680
i pickpocket the paladin

1002
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,839
it's gonna be one of these games is it

1003
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,760
right okay

1004
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:17,200
and i i've been at tables where it's

1005
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,720
it's it's like that where there's a

1006
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,359
player who's trying to control

1007
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,960
everything or you know there needs to be

1008
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:24,000
that's why session zero is important

1009
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,320
because you can have those sorts of

1010
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,160
conversations like what are you thinking

1011
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,040
to bring to the table what do you want

1012
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,480
to play because it is a case of what

1013
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,920
sort of what sort of themes are you

1014
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,280
going to be exploring you're putting

1015
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,280
your stuff in your backstory what sort

1016
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,880
of elements you want to come up but also

1017
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,000
the other players need to get an idea of

1018
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,920
that partly to be ready for it

1019
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,520
but also partly because there might be

1020
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,320
you know might have triggers or you

1021
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,000
might have you know traumatic past that

1022
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,800
will be affected

1023
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,320
so

1024
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,560
it's not the same sort of thing as you

1025
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,920
know consent but yeah you definitely

1026
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,000
need to have that understanding if

1027
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,119
you're planning on playing a wildly

1028
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,200
chaotic

1029
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,800
character then you should

1030
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,320
have the decency to just say to the

1031
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,760
other people hey guys i'm thinking of

1032
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,480
doing this it's gonna be [ __ ]

1033
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,480
[ __ ] at times yeah i think it'll be

1034
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,560
worth it but if you don't then we can

1035
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,640
have a conversation yeah i think i think

1036
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,880
it's worth worth saying that isn't just

1037
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,680
to be clear to the listeners isn't just

1038
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,520
chaotic evil because chaotic good both i

1039
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,960
know we're talking a loose definition of

1040
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,560
chaotic and not alignment but i also

1041
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,400
wanted to stress that like

1042
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,920
being chaotic in it and still a moral

1043
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,440
and ethical weight can have just a

1044
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,599
bigger impact on

1045
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,760
how on the rails the game is that the

1046
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:36,400
feel the tone of the game

1047
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,720
can it can just be just as disruptive if

1048
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,800
everybody's not on board that

1049
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:42,640
uh chaotic evil can be i you know

1050
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,960
everybody goes to county people oh my

1051
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,440
god i could kill you know maine

1052
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,800
torture but you know in the same breath

1053
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,160
you know going into royalty and being

1054
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,160
like kill the king because i'm gonna

1055
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,440
give the money to the poor it's just as

1056
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,119
like oh

1057
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,960
that's happening now we're all now

1058
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,480
political prisoners cool that wasn't the

1059
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,160
game i signed up for

1060
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,520
yeah exactly

1061
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,320
i read an interesting thing about

1062
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,520
alignment which was like good means that

1063
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,280
you put others before yourself

1064
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160
evil means you put yourself before

1065
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,240
others

1066
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,640
and neutral is kind of in between you

1067
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,960
know case by case but

1068
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,040
alignment in that sense that's how i try

1069
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,320
and think of alignment but

1070
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:24,160
even that is you need to frame that with

1071
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,880
this is your character

1072
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,880
you as a player need to be having those

1073
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,960
thoughts as well of like how is this

1074
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,480
going to affect the other player like if

1075
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,599
i go and kill the king that'll be

1076
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:38,240
hilarious but also probably cause a [ __ ]

1077
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:40,000
ton of consequences for the rest of us

1078
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:42,240
so probably

1079
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000
need to balance that and i don't i think

1080
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,400
that there needs to be that line of

1081
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,240
right now that's too far i know it fits

1082
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,400
the character but the the character

1083
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,000
needs to have that limit of

1084
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,680
yeah no that that would probably be

1085
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,320
leaders

1086
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,240
that's too chaotic

1087
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,839
if there could be such a thing

1088
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,960
[Laughter]

1089
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:02,480
i am

1090
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,839
i ran a game

1091
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,480
once before i got into swing of things

1092
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:08,720
my current campaign for a bunch of

1093
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,720
younger players playing their first

1094
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:13,119
ttrpg and

1095
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,480
i want to pre-face this with i think a

1096
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:17,200
lot of the the thing i'm about to

1097
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,359
describe was was from that

1098
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,599
you know new experience new hobby that

1099
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:22,320
newfound

1100
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:25,119
enthusiasm

1101
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,640
but one one player in particular was was

1102
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,320
very much like

1103
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,280
the world is my oyster and i'm just

1104
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,320
gonna

1105
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,359
do wild things yeah my style of dming is

1106
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,400
very much

1107
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:38,400
congruent very similitude like things

1108
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,040
have to happen logically and make sense

1109
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,200
in you know the in my opinion part of my

1110
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,119
job as the dm of my games at least is to

1111
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,200
make there has to be some laws of the

1112
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,119
universe be they physical don't kill

1113
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,480
people because the you know you'll get

1114
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:54,320
arrested or scientific laws that gravity

1115
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,480
exists you know that i have to maintain

1116
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,320
those things apart from when spells

1117
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,960
obviously put a middle finger up to

1118
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,960
things like that but uh

1119
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,240
so he was like oh wait they like i

1120
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,680
honestly it's been so long ago i can't

1121
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,880
remember for the final details but long

1122
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,280
story short is there was some

1123
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,440
altercation with a typical

1124
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,440
fantasy blacksmith you know clanging

1125
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,119
away at the anvil

1126
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,880
there was there was some altercation i

1127
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,720
think with another player to be honest

1128
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,280
but it kind of well he was oh i shoot a

1129
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,400
fireball at that player okay

1130
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,760
you know if we're gonna do that roll to

1131
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,760
hit i missed it missed quite badly so it

1132
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,440
hit you know the other player was inside

1133
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,440
the blacksmith's

1134
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,880
studio at this point

1135
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,800
okay well you've set fire to like the

1136
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,079
you know the spear shafts that he hasn't

1137
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,280
fixed the tips to yet i'm like well the

1138
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,800
blacksmith is

1139
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,200
rightly pissed with you because you're

1140
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,200
starting to burn down his livelihood and

1141
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,119
the player was visibly disgruntled that

1142
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,880
i was being like well

1143
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,040
you're kind of ruining this guy's life

1144
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,040
so he's quite annoyed with you and it

1145
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,880
goes well didn't wanna you know this

1146
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,119
that and the other and blah blah blah

1147
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,400
and then they got a bit you know unhappy

1148
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,720
about it and

1149
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,400
yes you know absolutely like

1150
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:06,480
almost definitely there's probably more

1151
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,160
effective ways to handle that but that

1152
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,520
was probably the first serious game that

1153
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,520
i was ever dming i love the um

1154
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,599
the dm's role of

1155
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,359
you tell me what you want to happen and

1156
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:20,319
i will tell you the results that's what

1157
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:22,720
i love and i've had similar experiences

1158
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:25,760
with my players like most recently in

1159
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:28,000
strad they met esmerelda they just

1160
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,000
burgled her wagon she turned up injured

1161
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,319
from a fight at the castle

1162
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:36,240
and the player's reaction was who the

1163
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:38,480
[ __ ] are you and ezra elder was like um

1164
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:40,000
what are you doing at my

1165
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,319
wagon

1166
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,560
who the [ __ ] are you guys yeah and they

1167
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:46,000
all most of them got really like head up

1168
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,680
about it like

1169
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,720
why the [ __ ] is this person being so

1170
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,000
rude [ __ ] this person yeah and it was

1171
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,760
it was really weird because they were

1172
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,280
like oh we don't want to bother with

1173
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,960
this person because they're being so

1174
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,720
rude and i was like you guys are talking

1175
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,480
like [ __ ] to this person what do you

1176
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,560
expect she's gonna be like yeah yeah and

1177
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,440
i had to keep saying she's bleeding

1178
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,599
she's visibly shaking she's bruised all

1179
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,240
over she's clearly wounded

1180
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:12,800
and she doesn't know who you are

1181
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,000
that that happens a lot like that i

1182
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,920
don't know what happens as soon as you

1183
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,160
sit on the other side of the screen it's

1184
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,319
like that that in my game that happens a

1185
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,760
lot i'm like guys you're in this

1186
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:23,359
person's house

1187
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,000
yeah and they're like yeah well what are

1188
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:27,359
you doing in your house

1189
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,000
the thing you've just said doesn't make

1190
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:33,040
any sense

1191
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,440
like um i'm gonna go to the shopkeeper

1192
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,599
and ask him if i can have this money

1193
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,440
this thing for half the price yeah i'm

1194
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,839
like yeah he's angry and they're like

1195
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,440
what the [ __ ] why is he angry how dare

1196
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:45,760
you they're like you're undermining his

1197
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,119
business model like jeez what do you

1198
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,839
expect i

1199
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:52,240
i do really like it but i also

1200
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:54,160
i i see myself as like

1201
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,760
this

1202
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,520
it's the benefit of being able to see it

1203
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:01,760
from it is absolutely yeah i'm just like

1204
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,760
what do you expect like seriously if you

1205
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,000
set a house on fire the house is going

1206
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,680
to burn down yeah that was another thing

1207
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,079
they were surprised about when someone

1208
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,520
cast a fireball in the library and then

1209
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,240
a few minutes later the house was on

1210
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,000
fire and then burnt to ashes like

1211
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:18,000
seriously what did you expect i know

1212
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,880
this is a world of magic and blah blah

1213
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,800
blah but if you set up an explosion in a

1214
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,520
library full of paper

1215
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,440
there's gonna be a fire yeah yeah

1216
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,960
i mean and i've i've been that player as

1217
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,800
well i don't want to be i don't want to

1218
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,319
be high and mighty but i've absolutely

1219
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,920
done i've been and i've been the

1220
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:35,599
receiving end of like oh you're going to

1221
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,560
do that thing in this situation and i've

1222
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,319
got to ask

1223
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,119
now that's a fair point actually i'll

1224
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:42,960
resend that suggestion that i just made

1225
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:45,440
uh because i didn't have my brain

1226
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:48,480
plugged in yeah

1227
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,400
the classic are you sure yeah

1228
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,640
have it just just just run by the

1229
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,560
context by yourself once more will you

1230
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,680
for me please if you could there just

1231
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880
quickly

1232
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,880
yeah

1233
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,839
i wanted to uh i wanted to ask because

1234
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,880
you mentioned it earlier about the

1235
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:03,760
improv

1236
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,280
side of things and obviously i know from

1237
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,560
your twitter and stuff that's a that's a

1238
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:11,359
large part of your life and and i think

1239
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,599
that's a lot another thing that people's

1240
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:15,280
video game backgrounds where you tip not

1241
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,720
every video game but most video games

1242
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,720
give you an infinite amount of time to

1243
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:20,160
make a decision some games of note

1244
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,760
recently will give you a little timer

1245
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,760
and you'll pick some

1246
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,599
non-answer if you if you let the timer

1247
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,760
run out but most yeah you can just sit

1248
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,680
there staring at the npc for 10 hours

1249
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,040
through about seven seven day night

1250
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,200
cycles and they're still just like

1251
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,400
uh-huh yep i'm willing to entertain this

1252
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,560
yeah

1253
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,480
but of course that doesn't really happen

1254
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,400
in in in dnd

1255
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,319
so i was kind of getting at like

1256
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,160
how much of

1257
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:49,520
dnd or your ttu rpg of choice is

1258
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,359
what would be considered traditional

1259
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,720
improvisation because i i get the

1260
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:54,079
impression that most people like if i

1261
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,160
ask my players

1262
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:58,480
do you see yourself as improvisational

1263
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,319
actors or comedians they go oh no

1264
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,640
and then i would be like we just spent

1265
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:04,319
five hours doing it so yeah

1266
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,400
there seems to be again a disconnect

1267
00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:08,240
there between those two kind of

1268
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,319
professions and from someone who does it

1269
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,040
both i wonder i wanted to get your take

1270
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:12,560
on

1271
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,800
where they overlap what things you've

1272
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,800
taken from one and and used in the other

1273
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:20,079
and why people have that disconnect

1274
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,760
sometimes yeah it's it is so like you

1275
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:23,520
put it perfectly it's so odd that there

1276
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,760
is that disconnect because you literally

1277
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,920
do it when you're playing dnt you are

1278
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,839
you are reacting to the world in real

1279
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,400
time and that is improvisation you're

1280
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:34,160
just reacting to what what happens and

1281
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,839
going with the flow

1282
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,920
you don't have the opportunity to say oh

1283
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:40,480
no i don't i don't go into that building

1284
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,440
anymore because you've done it and a lot

1285
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,520
of the groups i've played with have been

1286
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,920
they've had a lot of actors in because

1287
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,839
i've got a lot of actor friends and

1288
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,640
it's wonderful because they take it they

1289
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:54,400
take it to their normal actory type i'm

1290
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,480
gonna be this character and they put so

1291
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,160
much detail into it but it's still

1292
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,880
improvisation at the end of the day

1293
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,880
you've built a set of criteria but

1294
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,720
you're working you're framing your

1295
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,800
reactions with those

1296
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,520
lines of code if you like but you're

1297
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,240
still

1298
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,920
making [ __ ] up on the spot you know um

1299
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:14,800
and it as much as you're not going to be

1300
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,000
there sitting there going ah yes and now

1301
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,400
i do this

1302
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,960
you don't have that physical

1303
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,400
classic mantra of improvisation but you

1304
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,119
are still

1305
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,920
taking what happens and building on it

1306
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:29,200
because even in combat you're reacting

1307
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,200
to

1308
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,040
a character swings a sword at you oh

1309
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,480
okay well then i'm gonna swing myself at

1310
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,560
him you're

1311
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,560
you can't have a battle plan

1312
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,400
you can have an idea but you can't go

1313
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,880
right on this turn i'm gonna do this

1314
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,640
because in that time five other people

1315
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,720
are going to have had their turns and

1316
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,359
the battlefield might be on fire now you

1317
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:51,440
know you have to you have to be

1318
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:53,599
free thinking enough to to roll with

1319
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,000
that so it's interesting that people

1320
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:58,079
don't see that connection i actually

1321
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,240
started improvising

1322
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:02,079
like i'd always i've always been

1323
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,480
you know i describe myself as a comedian

1324
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,839
because i like making people laugh i

1325
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,680
like to

1326
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:09,040
say silly things at the right time and

1327
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,599
make jokes

1328
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,680
and then i started doing improv and

1329
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,839
specifically focusing on

1330
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,160
let's do it in a scene let's perform and

1331
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:20,160
go with whatever happens and that was

1332
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,119
before i started playing d and d and

1333
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,119
then

1334
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:25,920
when the d and d happened

1335
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:28,720
it kind of was already second nature

1336
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,040
because i was so open to the idea of

1337
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,359
the unknown and and

1338
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,560
again that that letting go of control of

1339
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:38,640
like accepting that you you are along

1340
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,200
for a journey somewhere and being ready

1341
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,960
to react to it in a certain way because

1342
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,560
in improvisation you can have that you

1343
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,839
could be playing a scene and you can be

1344
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,240
a character

1345
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:50,319
and you have a guiding

1346
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:53,119
set of values in that character which

1347
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:55,280
will dictate how they respond in that

1348
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:57,359
scene to whatever the other characters

1349
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,440
are saying but you're still

1350
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:00,800
just suddenly creating something out of

1351
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,319
nowhere just a different you know

1352
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,240
different base they're probably not

1353
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:07,440
going to be an orc

1354
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:10,400
but like it's the same thing so it it's

1355
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,160
very interchangeable and i think

1356
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,640
a lot of the time when people are new to

1357
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,400
dnd there is that that nervousness when

1358
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,720
you say someone or it's a role-playing

1359
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,520
game they're a bit like oh i can't play

1360
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:23,680
role but like that i think that confers

1361
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,280
a bit too much on it like it's a

1362
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,359
role-playing game you don't have to be

1363
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,800
an actor you don't have to have an

1364
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:32,079
accent for your character you don't have

1365
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,240
to speak as them you can say

1366
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,559
right well plume now does this he will

1367
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,440
cast this spell you can just narrate and

1368
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,599
just

1369
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,440
you're playing that role but you're not

1370
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:43,280
playing it as in on a stage you're

1371
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,559
playing it as you're playing the game

1372
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,839
yeah so

1373
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,920
i think that's a lot

1374
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:50,000
some people can be intimidated by that

1375
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,160
but every time like the group that i've

1376
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,160
got at work a couple of them are

1377
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,480
ironically for working in a theater

1378
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,839
their attitude is no i'm not a performer

1379
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,760
and so

1380
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:01,599
it's still we're still in the stage of

1381
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,040
them exploring their options with the

1382
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,240
characters and

1383
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,599
not nurses they're not necessarily

1384
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,200
talking as their characters they're

1385
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,040
talking on behalf of their characters at

1386
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,960
the moment which is fine that's that's

1387
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,640
how the game goes once you kind of allow

1388
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,800
is the same when i started playing with

1389
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,480
plume it was literally okay now he's

1390
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,960
gonna do this now he's going to do that

1391
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,839
whereas obviously towards the end of his

1392
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,480
arc

1393
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:24,160
it was me just being him the whole time

1394
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,040
and again because of the table that we

1395
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,720
have we had that dialogue of

1396
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,640
the players will just all react in

1397
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:32,400
character yeah it's one of the things i

1398
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,160
love doing as a dm is just sitting back

1399
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,720
and letting the characters speak and

1400
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,880
plan or whatever and i am very conscious

1401
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,559
of it when i'm watching harlan's screen

1402
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,720
i just love the way he kind of sits back

1403
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:44,640
in his chair and just

1404
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:46,880
takes in what we're doing and it's it's

1405
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:50,720
wonderful yeah so going back to the

1406
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,079
improvisation track is it is inherently

1407
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,559
you are

1408
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,480
in a way training yourself to improvise

1409
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,920
it's not you're not setting out going

1410
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,880
right i'm going to become an improviser

1411
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:03,359
yeah but in doing in playing the game

1412
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,520
you are becoming an improviser you are

1413
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:07,839
you might not see it as that ever even

1414
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,359
after playing d d for 10 years yeah

1415
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:10,400
probably there are some people who

1416
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:13,680
wouldn't describe themselves as

1417
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,599
improvisers but sorry to inform you dude

1418
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,040
you're an improviser you've been playing

1419
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,200
this game for 10 years which didn't

1420
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,079
exist before you made it is it written

1421
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,000
down anywhere no you improvised it

1422
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,839
that's what there's no script

1423
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,839
yeah which is the definition of it

1424
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:28,640
improvisation 100

1425
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:29,359
yeah

1426
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,440
so

1427
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:33,680
it definitely helps um if you've got

1428
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,319
that mindset already if you if you're

1429
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,240
ready to let go before you play the game

1430
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:40,400
then that will help you'll drop into it

1431
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,400
a lot sooner but i think

1432
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,400
the lure of that chaos

1433
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,599
is such a

1434
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,839
such a

1435
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:49,680
tantalizing lure i don't think you can

1436
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:51,040
resist it for long once you

1437
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,920
i'm starting to see it with these new

1438
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:56,000
guys now is once you realize how free

1439
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,160
you are

1440
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,760
i'm we're playing on sunday and i cannot

1441
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,280
wait to see what they do next because

1442
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,040
they're they're almost at the end of

1443
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,359
this cave the first cave

1444
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,280
and they cheered so loudly every time

1445
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:09,680
they killed something in the cave they

1446
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,720
cheered and they were [ __ ] loving it

1447
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,079
and

1448
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:13,359
i'm excited to see what they do because

1449
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:16,400
they're getting into it and they're they

1450
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:18,240
are letting go and and embracing this

1451
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,440
this freedom to be

1452
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:23,520
chaotic as [ __ ] but but with these with

1453
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,680
these defined

1454
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,640
set of guidelines character

1455
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,640
traits bonds flaws whatever and it is is

1456
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,720
it essentially is an improvisation

1457
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,319
engine that's what it is dnd if you look

1458
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,760
if you strip away all the dragons and

1459
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:40,800
the shiny spells and things underneath

1460
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,280
is a set of dice that all these numbers

1461
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,920
come together and create

1462
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,079
situations and scenarios and and

1463
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,920
i feel like this is a lovely lovely uh

1464
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,850
summary they just come together and

1465
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,240
create chaos

1466
00:51:50,850 --> 00:51:54,559
[Laughter]

1467
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,680
boom mic drop thank you thank you

1468
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:57,390
unfortunately we've got a couple minutes

1469
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,960
left on the clock

1470
00:51:57,390 --> 00:52:00,880
[Music]

1471
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,640
uncle

1472
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,079
i wanted to i wanted to add you know

1473
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,000
seriousness but you were coming there

1474
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:08,640
about voices and stuff i i did just just

1475
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,520
for the the listeners benefit my game

1476
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,960
that regular listeners will know like 79

1477
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,240
80 sessions in

1478
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,400
wow almost the same as number of

1479
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,240
episodes in this podcast which is not

1480
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,720
definitely not planned that's weird

1481
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:22,720
suddenly hit me um but anyway five guys

1482
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:25,440
now they suddenly hit me

1483
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:27,200
i don't think none of them do voices

1484
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,200
and i think it's it's quite telling that

1485
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,280
hey i haven't really realized because

1486
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,880
it's not really changed anything

1487
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,440
um so i'm the only one that does for the

1488
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,760
npcs and stuff if only for the very

1489
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,839
pragmatic effect of just making them

1490
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,760
distinct so it's easy to remember who

1491
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:42,880
they are literally that's it it's

1492
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,119
otherwise there's there's no other

1493
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,880
benefit so for those of those players

1494
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,480
out there who are like oh gosh i feel

1495
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,839
like i have to do these fantastic voices

1496
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,240
that aaron's displayed for us on this

1497
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:54,160
show you you do not because my guys have

1498
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,520
yeah like three years of a campaign

1499
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,880
don't

1500
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,400
and i think that's another barrier as

1501
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,079
well that some people when they when

1502
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,000
they think role-playing game they think

1503
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,640
oh [ __ ] i'm gonna have to

1504
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,040
have a character's voice and you know

1505
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,880
i'm not gonna say that it's not a

1506
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,640
wonderful thing to do when you're having

1507
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,640
a conversation with people who it

1508
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,960
doesn't sound like them anymore it is

1509
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,079
bloody wonderful but it's not required

1510
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,280
it's not

1511
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,680
it's not a

1512
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,960
mandatory feature of the game it's just

1513
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,720
it's just one of those possibilities

1514
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,400
that you if you want to if you want to

1515
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,400
talk like this you can talk like this if

1516
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,119
you want to talk like i can't do it now

1517
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,880
but

1518
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:31,040
i can't go between them that quickly but

1519
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,280
if you want to talk like a romanian

1520
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,200
skeleton then do it and you'll have such

1521
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,960
a great time but that's not saying you

1522
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,720
won't have a great time if you don't if

1523
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,880
you just talk with yourself you're still

1524
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,920
this other person absolutely is there

1525
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,160
anything you want to talk about that we

1526
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,620
haven't quite hit yet

1527
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,160
um

1528
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:48,000
[Music]

1529
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,079
now bear mind i don't have any notes so

1530
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,079
i've got nothing to catch us

1531
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,040
you're an improviser

1532
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:55,040
um

1533
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,960
i i just i kind of want to just talk a

1534
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,040
little bit more about my cursive chart

1535
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,359
campaign because

1536
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,280
i wanted to run a campaign and i was

1537
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:06,000
looking between curse of stride and

1538
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,720
several others and there's such a hype

1539
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,440
around strad and i i didn't get it like

1540
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:13,599
i read it and i explored it and i just

1541
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,280
didn't it didn't quite click and i never

1542
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,960
really was like oh yeah it can't be that

1543
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:20,160
good right you know

1544
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,000
but like we're something like 26 27

1545
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,160
sessions in and

1546
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,960
we're just having the best time it's so

1547
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,960
[ __ ] good and like i have added some

1548
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,800
extra things i've taken inspiration from

1549
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,640
the the wonderful reddit subreddit for

1550
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,160
the cursive strategy it's incredible

1551
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,079
and i've had so much inspiration from

1552
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,839
there but i've added some [ __ ] and the

1553
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:40,319
players have added some [ __ ] and we're

1554
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:41,440
just having the best time but it's

1555
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:43,839
that's where the fireball and the

1556
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,240
mansion came from and it is wildly

1557
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:48,800
chaotic because the players are just

1558
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:51,119
wildly chaotic themselves so it's it is

1559
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,240
a bit like herding cats but

1560
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:56,480
it is really great fun and i didn't i'd

1561
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:58,880
like i said i didn't expect it i didn't

1562
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,599
expect to enjoy it as much as i have and

1563
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,680
it's

1564
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:03,920
having that framework because i'd like

1565
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,880
to you know i don't like to be

1566
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,800
restricted by a script or

1567
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,720
you know i'm not very good at keeping

1568
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,680
track of law and reading the book is

1569
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,319
huge

1570
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,920
it's ridiculous there's so much to it

1571
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:18,400
and i like having

1572
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,640
it to draw from but i also like giving

1573
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,359
myself the freedom to take that and

1574
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,720
expand it um so yeah i guess the point

1575
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:27,040
i'm trying to make is with the game that

1576
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:29,359
i'm running it is very much see what the

1577
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,960
players do i'm gonna see what happens

1578
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:33,119
what i think would happen i'm

1579
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,319
improvising along with them a lot of the

1580
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:37,599
time i have when i prepare i put bullet

1581
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:39,440
points i'm like this is going to happen

1582
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:41,040
here this is going to happen here but in

1583
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,319
between that there's nothing because i

1584
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,040
don't know what they're going to do and

1585
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:47,200
i love the idea of just responding to it

1586
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,920
like as i said before you tell me what

1587
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,000
you want to do i'll tell you the results

1588
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,280
and yeah i just wanted to kind of just

1589
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,880
just show off that we're having a

1590
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,680
[ __ ] great game

1591
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,700
well basically

1592
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,359
my game sucks

1593
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:03,440
[Laughter]

1594
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:05,359
no i too i'm having fun i'm super super

1595
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,640
super glad you are and

1596
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:08,559
if one thing to come out this show is

1597
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,359
you've made me want to play strad having

1598
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:12,960
never played or read it so uh

1599
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:14,720
there we go

1600
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,480
it's another one of those like uh it's

1601
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:18,079
one of those you don't understand it

1602
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,280
until you've done it and they're out

1603
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,119
there you know there's people that don't

1604
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,920
like it and that's fair you can play it

1605
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:25,119
and and interpret it and not enjoy it

1606
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,079
i'm not saying everyone's going to enjoy

1607
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:28,319
it but

1608
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:29,359
if you get into it and you like that

1609
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:31,680
sort of thing

1610
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:35,280
is so good

1611
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,280
hashtag not a sponsor again

1612
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,359
well uh

1613
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,079
well i think all that's left to say in

1614
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:44,240
which case is thank you very much

1615
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,599
for joining us today aaron pleasure

1616
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,359
really lovely to be here thank you so

1617
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,280
much for inviting me i'm glad we finally

1618
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:50,319
got the stars aligned again and we

1619
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,319
managed to

1620
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:54,319
manage to make it work

1621
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:55,920
you see how literally chaotic i am in

1622
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:57,920
that we moved this appointment like

1623
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,839
three three or four we almost had to

1624
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,440
move it again because of my

1625
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:03,359
chaos so no

1626
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,880
yeah but we got it we sorted it yeah i

1627
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:08,240
think i think we need to stress the

1628
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,760
listeners how precious this hour has

1629
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,680
been like

1630
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,480
it ain't gonna happen again guys

1631
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,000
[Laughter]

1632
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,760
is there anything you would like to

1633
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,480
promote my

1634
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,960
channel is aaron's games uh i'm on

1635
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youtube twitter not so much facebook

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these days because facebook is incessant

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with their hey you should promote this

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so you can find me on facebook at not

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facebook i just said i'm not

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i am on there but it's just not very

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active but twitter is the main one and

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youtube is where i put a lot of my

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produced content the game that i'm

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playing zander in is called the god

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punches and that is going to become a

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stream at some point soon hopefully

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and it's just at god punches on twitter

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and instagram and then my improv is

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called insert laughter here uh the

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website is just insert laughter here

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code uk and there's videos and and clips

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:04,160
and we are adding more shows whenever we

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can basically um so if you fancy coming

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along and having a google with us that's

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where you can find all the details and

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watch me being a tit on stage because i

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absolutely love it

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i love i love the name insert laughter

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here it's just just poetic in it

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like how

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almost ironic it is i don't know

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it's just great it's such a perfect name

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for a comedy show

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so yeah one final one final thank you to

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aaron thank you to

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all the listeners i hope you've enjoyed

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this i mean i'm i'm glad i've somehow

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managed to get through an episode

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without notes this is this is my

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you've just you've just witnessed me

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throwing off the shackles and being do

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it done it that's that liberation we

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opened the episode

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exactly

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so thank you all for listening as usual

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all the links will be in the episode

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description and i would encourage you to

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check all of them out aaron is is

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constantly producing uh very interesting

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and engaging content especially on

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twitter not facebook

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but twitter

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[Laughter]

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arguably too much producing something

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not me it keeps me from going insane so

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that's that's my excuse and i'll stick

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to it

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so i would encourage everyone to check

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them out otherwise thank you all for

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listening and good night

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and now it's time for the patreon shout

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outs thank you to joe from the fourth

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leg podcast again two-time guests of the

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00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,520
show and the fourth leg is a tt rpg

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00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,480
podcast all about giving new gm's a leg

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00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:37,520
to stand on please go and check them out

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00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:40,160
at the fourth leg on twitter thank you

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to optional rule a two-time guest of the

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show and a very insightful and

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00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,920
knowledgeable source of information

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please check them out at

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www.optional.com

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huge huge huge thank you to a great

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00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:57,040
friend of the show matthew perkins who's

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00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:59,440
out there making hilarious and

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00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,240
educational dungeons and dragons content

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00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,960
please go and check out his stuff at

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01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,359
matthewperkins.net where you can find

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01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,960
links to all of his socials and all of

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01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:08,640
his content including his own patreon

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,400
which i would very much encourage you to

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01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:13,280
check out

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thank you to matt street at mpstreet88

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on twitter for supporting the show

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01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,480
if you need support running your

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01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:21,680
personal or business schedule head to

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01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,359
virtualtimehustle.com or on instagram to

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01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,640
make that difference between should do

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01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:25,920
and done

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01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,760
better

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01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,200
time you've been searching for

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01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,040
if you would like to support what we do

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,760
and get four shout outs a month head

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01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,359
over to patreon.com thinking critically

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01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:39,300
or you can just buy me a coffee at

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01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:46,290
kofi.com thinking critically

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01:00:39,300 --> 01:01:06,559
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