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hello and welcome to thinking critically

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a d and d discussion a podcast where we

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deep dive single word concepts or ideas

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within the dungeons and dragons 5e

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framework my name is danilo and i like

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all kinds of games and the crunchy

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mechanics that make him tick you can

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find me on twitter facebook and

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instagram and i'd really appreciate a

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like or a follow today

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i am joined by the cast the whole cast

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of one no small roles oh excuse me sorry

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yes bar one of no small roles

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grace

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thank you for

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volunteering why don't you tell us a

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little bit about yourself and the

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podcast uh i certainly shall thank you

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so much uh apologies for just uh butting

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in there um so no small roles is an

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actual play d d podcast where there are

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no small roles but six british actors

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that bonded over their love of d d we've

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all worked for the same fabulous theatre

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company open bar go check them out and

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we've all performed in various

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shakespeare plays across the uk with

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that company in pub gardens so we all

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quite like a drink and it was at one

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fateful cast company party where you get

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to meet the people from the other shows

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where there was drinking going on in a

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kitchen and uh this this conversation of

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d d just kept on popping up all over the

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kitchen and uh at one point baby david

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our dm uh decided to produce a d20 from

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his bag and so the plan to start

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actually playing d d between actors that

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knew what it was and didn't uh was

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hatched um and myself and david had been

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percolating the idea of doing a podcast

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we thought that'd be pretty cool but you

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know life was pretty busy and then life

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got considerably less busy

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and uh

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there was also considerably less

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attention for us as actors

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so

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thus we finally had no more excuses to

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actually start baking no small roles and

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we absolutely love getting to play in

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this magical world that uh of d d and uh

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david's homebrewed world of dolomia

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thank you very much i always thought

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people that carried d20s with them was a

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thing of legend but now i'm

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like i'm i'm beating the unicorn

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no it's real i have no idea why but

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there always seems to be at least one

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full set of dice in my bag

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uh good you have to be prepared you

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gotta be prepared you never know when

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you might need to make a decision

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[Laughter]

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ironically your stag do involved rolling

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a d20 yeah it did giving you forfeits

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it was like wow yeah it was like a whole

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wild magic thing but each age thing on

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the table was something awful

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it wasn't it was really

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one of them was that i had to fly for a

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full minute which meant that i was just

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carried around by everybody else

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didn't touch the floor

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that is totally a reason to get married

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[Laughter]

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uh okay well uh uh david the unicorn why

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don't you um why don't you tell us tell

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us a little bit about yourself hi i'm

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david baby david as i have been

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nominated

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i'm a an actor a writer composer um i

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met vicky years and years ago we were

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both working at madam two swords

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together uh down in the scare attraction

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hilarious um

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vicky and uh nikki and ellie

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first started open book

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theater company vicky basically grabbed

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me and pulled me in and uh

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whilst i uh

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was like yeah like acting work great um

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i was also very subtly like also do you

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need a composer because i write music

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and i can see that you don't have a

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composer on there on the crew yet so can

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i be your composer thank you very much

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also he wasn't getting paid at this

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point we didn't have any budget so we

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were like absolutely yes absolutely

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i was like oh look

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opportunity um and

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how long ago was that that was 2013.

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that was about seven years ago yeah

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uh yeah basically since then i've uh

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been resident composer for them uh which

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is fantastic it means there's loads of

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different like uh loads of different

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types of shows that they put on they do

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they do loads of shakespeare stuff but

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they also do uh adaptations of classic

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literature as well uh perform them in

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public spaces

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then when it came to

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me getting interested in dungeons and

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dragons

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uh having such a good friendship with

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vicky i was like please come like you've

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dragged me over into the theater so i

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will drag you back into

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into geekdom um

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and yeah that was about five six years

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ago as well

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that was sort of i got i got the

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starters set for for christmas one year

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uh we ran through that and then from

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there i just decided i'm going to start

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home brewing everything else tell a

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completely unique story but using sort

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of going straight on from the from the

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back of the starter adventure

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um and that's where that was what yeah

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six years ago and then yeah two years

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ago

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i think was roughly the conversation

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that all of us

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uh were in uh a party one of these uh

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hello miss christwine yeah yeah yeah it

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was like i swear this name changes every

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time every time

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christmas is roughly what it is so call

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it a christmas because i can't say the

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rest of it yeah

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um

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and yeah it was like as grace said it

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was literally different conversations on

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opposite sides of the room and every

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time one conversation would start up you

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saw people in the other corner like like

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there is perking up looking over being

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like what

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i want to join in that conversation and

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then start a different conversation with

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whoever they were stood nearest until

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eventually we were all chatting together

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um and yeah so then me and grace uh got

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into a conversation because we were like

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great let's play d and d

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but then after a few games we were like

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how do we start

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a podcast

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yeah let's take that leap

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and yeah so then

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basically i spent a lot of time

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rushing around trying to like prep as

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much stuff as possible uh so that when

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we dove into it like we could just go

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full hog

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uh use use the homebrew world i've been

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using uh in that first game with vicky

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and uh that campaign is still running

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still to this day isn't it yeah yeah

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and then yeah and and here we are six

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months later

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what six months it's a bit mad behind me

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spinning it's spinning a lot of plates

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uh you're you're as

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brave or as foolish as i am as well

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[Laughter]

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still quite haven't decided what side

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that falls on but no no i do and i spend

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far too much time thinking about it as

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the worst the worst it is for me is when

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i'm like just turned out the light and

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i'm lying in bed to go to sleep and i'm

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like

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man that'd be really good if this

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happens and then that happens and then

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this happens and i'm like what

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go to bed

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[Laughter]

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yeah an hour later and you're like okay

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i've fallen far too far down this rabbit

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hole

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and the best thing is i won't remember

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it tomorrow morning so cool great

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not wasted time at all

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thank you david uh ben

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what about yourself

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um hello i'm ben galpin the first of

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this bunch that i met was uh vicki many

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many years ago because we trained

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together um at drama studio london um

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back in

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2008 to 2009 um

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so that's the first time that we met and

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then since then uh i've been lucky

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enough to be employed several times by

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vicky

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and and nikki and the rest of the open

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bar and open books absolutely

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i'm vicki and i pay for friends

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it's fine by me

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you can keep paying for my friendship

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um

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so so yes i met vicki

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at drab school then subsequently worked

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together and the first summer that i

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worked with vicki's uh vicky nikki

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and at that point ellie's company open

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bar theater um

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i then met daryl because we were in the

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show together and david was

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comprehending our music and grace came

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in to do some clown workshops as well

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and got paid for it as well um

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even better there you go what paid

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friendships

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so that was what i met the rest of the

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the rest of the team i think for the

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first time unless i've met you

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somewhere before and i briefly met you

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ben

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oh yes with dracula

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dracula because i guess i did

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i came in for dracula to um what was

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what was my role your role was supposed

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to be like on book in case any of us

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needed you

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just in case then

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but you ended up saying more than anyone

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else in the cast yeah yeah i just ended

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up reading the script out loud to the

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cast

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tonight

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yeah yeah yeah yeah

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and flicking through pages at one point

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in one of vicky's scenes where i was

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just like no i don't know where we are

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that's a docker moment yeah yeah

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yeah um

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so yeah so okay yeah so i did meet david

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before um

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but uh yeah that's that's how i met this

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thought

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awesome thank you and also i thought i'd

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mention there's no preference here i'm

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literally going right to left on the

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zoom call today

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vicky your last spoilers uh so yeah

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i'm disappointed now

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that's happy our second but now i'm sad

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uh daryl uh can you tell us a little bit

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about yourself

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hey um yeah daryl here um

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similar to everyone else um one vicky

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gaskin paid for my friendship and she

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has it to my

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[Laughter]

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yeah i i auditioned um to be in um open

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bars production of 12th night which is

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where i met um ben david and grace uh on

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that job yeah which is wonderful for me

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because at the time i had been

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dropped by my agent it's kind of like

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young and burning like i'll make it

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anyway on my own

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and then for like ages didn't get

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anything until um

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until that year when i got um 12th night

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and also um a different job completely

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unrelated to 12th night when vicki ben

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and those guys who i met literally like

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a week before came to see me in the

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other show which is really nice of them

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and i actually about nothing yeah

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that's being friends ever since that was

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like 2016

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15 2016 yeah wow

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yeah since then um

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yeah d d was very new to me when i

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when it came to the christmas christmas

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christmas

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halloween and christmas that comes in

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mid-november

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i'm gonna take biggie's wedding now i'm

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gonna have to learn that word later put

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it in my dictionary

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let's call it really really catchy

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i'm just going to try and avoid any

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references to the last quarter of the

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year

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this is a can of worms it's a can of

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worms

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i thought at one point you're going to

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say you auditioned to be her friend and

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i was going to say wow how high is this

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absolutely

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all right thank you very much daryl and

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last but obviously absolutely not least

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vicky how about how about you

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uh so yeah i paid this slot to be my

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friend um yeah i'm an actor i trained

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with ben and i run open book and open

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bar theatre is sort of my my main job uh

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which they've quite nicely

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described all of that for me

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uh

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so there's not really much more to add

335
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yeah i sort of met

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uh grace and daryl and chris who

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is our other cast member through open

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bar

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shows um the pub shows

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um and yeah i've just it was been really

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lovely to sort of

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work with everyone again i guess it's

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nice to sort of have a community i

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david's favorite david because he's so

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young uh introduced me to d when he was

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like do you want to play and i was like

347
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hell yeah

348
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um and i have like quite a narrow it

349
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like i've only played like two

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characters really in d and d for like re

351
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like a really long period of time in a

352
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really intensive period of time so i

353
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have like loads of knowledge on bits and

354
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then no knowledge outside of that which

355
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is interesting sometimes um

356
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yeah that's kind of it wicked this

357
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here's the weird thing for me right

358
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because i only know all your voices from

359
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the show which is obviously

360
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predominantly talking in character which

361
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is obviously that there are differences

362
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between your your natural voices so it's

363
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it's this almost this weird kind of like

364
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existential

365
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weirdness i'm getting every you know

366
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every so often and you know some words

367
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will be very similar to your characters

368
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and i have to be like no i'm actually

369
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talking to these people

370
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[Laughter]

371
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my dad makes fun because every every now

372
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and then i'll say a word and it'll come

373
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out west country for no reason never

374
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lived in the west country like nothing

375
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like sometimes i say 19 like

376
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there's no reason for it

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uh lovely so again thank you all for

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your introductions and for coming on

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today the topic of today perhaps

380
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unsurprisingly is

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acting so i will open the floor

382
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and say

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what does the word acting mean to you

384
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within the dungeons and dragons

385
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framework

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and i've just got a little tumbleweed

387
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animation ready for putting everybody on

388
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the spot we knew this that we knew this

389
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word was coming and yeah all of a sudden

390
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what does it mean in the context of dnd

391
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i'm

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i think

393
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character-driven dungeons and dragons i

394
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think like because we're all

395
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professional actors we really get a kick

396
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out of

397
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the sort of character side of thing and

398
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i think david having knowledge as a

399
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performer as well as an experienced dm

400
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he really plays off that so it's kind of

401
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that's very much the d game i think we

402
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play is more like

403
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we're not in it for the experience

404
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points we're in it to sort of

405
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create situations and

406
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kind of act our way through it

407
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yeah yeah that's that's a nice

408
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springboard for a topic i have later on

409
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um but does anyone else ever have a

410
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slightly different take or that maybe a

411
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different interpretation of of what it

412
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means to you maybe personally

413
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um not too um not a different

414
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interpretation more just to add on to

415
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what vicky says in terms of um

416
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when it comes to because we're all

417
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trained performers um and you guys might

418
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remember um being taught about given

419
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circumstances

420
00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,440
um back in drama school

421
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and and just realizing what

422
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circumstances you are handed not

423
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circumstances you necessarily created

424
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and making choices within those confines

425
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and which is a weird word to say within

426
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dnd because from an actor's perspective

427
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you're role-playing and you're improving

428
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so you're kind of free there's no like

429
00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,399
structure there's no lines or script or

430
00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,480
story to like kind of rigidly follow but

431
00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:44,079
you know that okay my character can't

432
00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,759
face through walls and the ceiling is

433
00:16:44,079 --> 00:16:47,040
coming in what can i do

434
00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,399
you know i mean and being able to

435
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inhabit that

436
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somewhat realistically with with

437
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expectations and

438
00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:56,639
kind of performing that faithfully if

439
00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:58,480
that makes sense

440
00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,839
yeah yeah that i think it's a really

441
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fine line isn't there between kind of

442
00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:04,079
acting in an improvisation and something

443
00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,839
i've had to deal with in previous games

444
00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:08,000
that i've played with certainly a

445
00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:09,679
younger set of players and there was a

446
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,439
bit of a gap i had to bridge there

447
00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:14,480
between like hey no this is

448
00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:16,640
you guys get to make the script

449
00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,199
i know i'm making a script for you now

450
00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,520
this is this is on you guys yeah i've

451
00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:23,679
i've quite often described it or just d

452
00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:27,600
in general to other people as uh it's

453
00:17:23,679 --> 00:17:30,400
like improv acting mixed with gambling

454
00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,559
because there's the the aspect of

455
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of like daryl was saying like you've got

456
00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:37,520
like some boundaries they're much wider

457
00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,960
than they would be in any drama game uh

458
00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,559
but you've got some boundaries of like

459
00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,160
what your character can do like the

460
00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:43,039
particular situation that you might be

461
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,280
in

462
00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:46,400
but you also don't have complete control

463
00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,720
over it either

464
00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,360
your character can try and make a like a

465
00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,520
performance decision but then

466
00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:55,120
the dice will just go completely against

467
00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,799
you and you've got you've gotta like

468
00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:58,400
just go okay well i guess that's not

469
00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:59,200
happening and turn on a dime straight

470
00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,960
away

471
00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,240
david's catchphrase is well you can try

472
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,480
to try

473
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,480
yeah

474
00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:10,640
i'm just going to add to like my i'm

475
00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,919
putting my hand up because i'm like oh

476
00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,360
because

477
00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:17,280
um but like for me like acting the way

478
00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:19,679
like it works so well with dnd because

479
00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,840
for me acting is play

480
00:18:19,679 --> 00:18:23,919
uh and and that's coming from kind of

481
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,760
more of a clowning background and a

482
00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:28,640
cabaret background as well like that's

483
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:31,280
been a big part of my acting career

484
00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,600
and so it is about playing and being

485
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,760
present and and um

486
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:38,080
and that's what you'd have to do in d d

487
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,600
you can't like go in with too much

488
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,200
planned because you don't know what's

489
00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,480
going to happen you don't know what's

490
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,080
going to suddenly fall from the sky you

491
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,880
don't know what your dice is going to do

492
00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,960
so you have to play and then within that

493
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,280
there is this amazing freedom as an

494
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,039
actor to be able to just go sod it i

495
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,200
don't need to learn my lines i just need

496
00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:58,400
my sheet in front of me and some dice

497
00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,880
and let's play and let's just fully like

498
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,120
enjoy being in this world and so yeah

499
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,880
they i think you can't have d d without

500
00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:06,559
acting because but i'm saying that

501
00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,840
because i'm an actor you obviously can

502
00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:10,799
do d d without

503
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,400
everyone

504
00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:14,160
i also think it'd be cool to do a

505
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,000
character sheet for a character you were

506
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,760
playing

507
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,840
yeah i think like to actually do that

508
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:22,320
for the acting process like just doing a

509
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,080
character sheet would be amazing it'd be

510
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,520
really useful i've never done it but i

511
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:29,360
was like i'm gonna do it for the next

512
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,360
job i get you heard it here

513
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,960
cool uh thank you all so much for your

514
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,440
takes there on on acting and um i've

515
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,679
told ben this but for for the rest of

516
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:43,679
your benefit i've got some some chops

517
00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:45,280
myself if i do say so uh i played uh

518
00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:47,600
oliver

519
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:51,960
the oliver twist

520
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,960
tough roll title right yeah

521
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,880
back back in uh secondary school uh

522
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,240
maybe about 15 years ago

523
00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,880
the question is

524
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,880
way too early

525
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:08,559
so yeah that's we've reached the limit

526
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,799
of my of my acting credentials there uh

527
00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,720
singing where is love you know you know

528
00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:15,039
feet away from your

529
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,840
mum was uh you know it was an experience

530
00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:20,559
i don't soon forget

531
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,440
was she on stage as well it was a weird

532
00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:25,760
setup uh we were i was on like a table

533
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,640
like on the in front of the stage i

534
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,600
think

535
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,960
uh

536
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,039
yeah it was quite like an immersive

537
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,240
production

538
00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:34,720
i think i was just happy to be doing

539
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,720
something at that point so

540
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,159
i was swinging my legs under the table

541
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,679
and i got told to stop because i'm

542
00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:43,039
singing like a

543
00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:43,039
it's a pretty sad song right so

544
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,360
stop looking happy for context i was

545
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,480
like you know young i'm not young

546
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,919
anymore so

547
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,679
this wasn't like last year for anyone

548
00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:55,440
listening tradition traditionally oliver

549
00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:56,960
is quite a youngster

550
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,039
i played it last year i think the

551
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,840
casting was a little special when i

552
00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:02,559
shave i do knock off about 10

553
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,080
years absolutely i'm not knowing that

554
00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:04,390
you've got a very flexible age gap it's

555
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,799
fine

556
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:08,159
[Laughter]

557
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,799
so

558
00:21:08,159 --> 00:21:12,960
one thing i i wanted to ask and we we've

559
00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:15,200
touched on it a little bit so far but i

560
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,600
wanted to go into a bit more detail is

561
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,039
how do you think that your

562
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,919
experience

563
00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:25,039
in your careers acting in real life has

564
00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:27,360
impacted or affected your performance

565
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,880
at the table as it were and i know some

566
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:31,360
of you've got some experience

567
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,200
not for the podcast and so maybe

568
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,799
question one b would be

569
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,320
is there any further differences between

570
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:39,440
those two

571
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,440
yes between between absolutely d and d

572
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,840
on a podcast and d not on a podcast um

573
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,600
well so as a startup for ten if how your

574
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,240
how your experience as

575
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,760
career actors has shaped your

576
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,200
table play

577
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,840
which i hope isn't

578
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,840
a turn

579
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,880
i think that's what you were doing

580
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,039
was the audience

581
00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:20,400
[Laughter]

582
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,640
so yeah if anyone if anyone wants to

583
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,480
take take the bait on that one yeah sure

584
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,520
um

585
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,320
etiquette i'd say and so in terms of

586
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,720
like

587
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,840
um again all loads of drama school

588
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,440
memories are just floating through my

589
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,679
mind right now um

590
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,000
um serving the writer or serving the

591
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:40,559
story and also

592
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,480
knowing what um one of the best

593
00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:45,360
exercises i ever did in terms of

594
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:48,320
performances what does the space need

595
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:50,159
and whilst in dnd you don't really know

596
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,039
what the overall story or outcome is

597
00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:55,039
going to be you as a performer gain an

598
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,799
instinct of knowing what does this need

599
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:59,200
right now like

600
00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:01,520
you have your turn in combat to cast

601
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,600
your spells and make a movement or when

602
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,360
there's um dialogue happen between

603
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,799
characters if you're not there or it

604
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,640
doesn't really involve you you know when

605
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:10,159
to give people space and if you know

606
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,880
that someone wants to come in you kind

607
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:12,480
of

608
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,840
give them that room

609
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,720
you kind of sense it out it's not kind

610
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,039
of like an

611
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,280
unspoken agreement that everyone

612
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:22,000
acknowledges that okay this person needs

613
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,679
this space to do this and and they have

614
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,760
they're gearing up to do something here

615
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:26,960
i can back off a little here and i think

616
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,840
being on

617
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,240
online you're much more aware of it

618
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,159
as there's of course like

619
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,240
disrepresences between internet speeds

620
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:39,039
and you're careful not to talk over each

621
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,960
other because of editing so

622
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,200
and also just balancing

623
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,640
that in between and it's just it just

624
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,400
kind of came to mind when grace put our

625
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,159
hand up and like we still remember our

626
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,159
manners

627
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:51,360
you know we're like not physically in

628
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:53,200
the same room

629
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,559
so i haven't really answered your

630
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,679
question that well when you say how does

631
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,520
your career

632
00:23:55,679 --> 00:24:00,400
affect your table play but it's kind of

633
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,559
like again instincts um gained from

634
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,400
yeah from working and training let's say

635
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:06,080
for me at least

636
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,760
so to follow on with that put your hands

637
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,159
a vibe there are of course no wrong

638
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,159
answers

639
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:15,279
which is another lesson that comes from

640
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,760
the acting industry yes i remember a

641
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,480
teacher ben and i had sonia

642
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,279
she

643
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,279
what was it she used to say um

644
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:25,440
there are no right answers like you'll

645
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:27,440
always get it wrong didn't she

646
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,320
and the idea was like just try it was

647
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,320
sort of more encouraging

648
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:36,640
the idea was like trying anything is

649
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,640
better than not doing anything and your

650
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,960
director's job is to sort of reign you

651
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,679
in here there and everywhere and i think

652
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,200
like as an actor it's very like yes and

653
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:47,120
there's a game where you know someone

654
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,679
does it and someone said yes and this

655
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,960
yes and this and it sort of

656
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:52,799
gets your

657
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,440
brain in the right gear doesn't it to

658
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:58,159
sort of be able to sort of see

659
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,400
everything but then stay true to the

660
00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:03,440
like one cog that you have

661
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,279
going around and and not be like

662
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,360
you know if if daryl's character's like

663
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:09,679
let's go off in this direction not be

664
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,919
like no unless you know it's a it's a

665
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:13,520
gwen keydo moment in which case they're

666
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:15,200
they're sort of building on each other

667
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,440
by sort of pulling apart but

668
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,400
understanding that it might not be what

669
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,480
you plan to do but you sort of

670
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,400
you're like cool with sort of

671
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,000
it's sort of the law of improvisation

672
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,080
yeah it's like in d that's kind of

673
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,400
another level of it because there is

674
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,559
conflict between characters but it's you

675
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,440
can't just say no but you have to say no

676
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:38,159
and a reason why and it's kind of as

677
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,240
long as it the improv is developing and

678
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:42,000
it's still like interesting to have that

679
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,039
conflict and it's fun for us to play as

680
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,880
well um so yeah it's taking it's taking

681
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,400
that yes and to another level when it

682
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,960
comes to d and d

683
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,559
yeah which is quite yeah and like daryl

684
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,960
like you said sort of serving the story

685
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:57,600
and serving the space rather than just

686
00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,240
what you want to do as a character yeah

687
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,559
exactly yeah that yeah what does the

688
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,480
space need i really like and something

689
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:06,080
i've struggled with articulating in such

690
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,000
a way and that's a really good way of

691
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,559
putting it to not anymore players but

692
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,919
i've mentioned on previous episodes like

693
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,720
serving the story what does the space

694
00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:16,159
need just knowing when is not the

695
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,520
correct time because i guess there isn't

696
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:19,840
really ever a correct time but knowing

697
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,360
when is the a good time to step back or

698
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,039
when is there a good time to be like hey

699
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,120
these characters need some space i'm

700
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:27,840
just gonna shut up and not just be like

701
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,720
i buy two flagons of ale okay these two

702
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,720
are trying to have a moment here like

703
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,960
could you not um

704
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,360
so knowing that i think is a yeah a huge

705
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,720
deal so it's cool that you're saying

706
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,720
that you know you guys are getting that

707
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,679
impart from the experience you've had in

708
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,039
acting

709
00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:46,320
i actually

710
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:48,880
just wanted to just a as a thing i found

711
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,120
being an actor a bit of a hindrance in

712
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,440
my first ever dnd game

713
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:55,279
because i was so

714
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,120
nervous it was a game with some friends

715
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,799
who had told me about d d and i was just

716
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,559
like oh yeah sure and like like you're

717
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:04,640
an actor you'll be good at it

718
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:06,559
and then in comes the self-doubt and the

719
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,720
oh i'm supposed to be good at this

720
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:11,760
because i'm an actor and i've got to be

721
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:14,000
good and and i closed up at the table

722
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,840
like i only played a couple of sessions

723
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,480
of that campaign because

724
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,520
i didn't i i just felt so um i felt the

725
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,440
pressure

726
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,120
of having to be good at it and like it

727
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,880
and they like not nobody else at the

728
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,039
table was putting that pressure on me it

729
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,960
was me putting that pressure on me

730
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:31,679
yeah and um so it's just it actually

731
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,640
took listening to some d d podcast to go

732
00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:36,559
oh i can do anything

733
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,960
oh it doesn't matter

734
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,799
being wrong is just as fun and

735
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,360
interesting as being right and there

736
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:45,039
isn't like so but like definitely at

737
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,240
first like those first couple of games

738
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,840
it just like

739
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,520
i was too much in my head because i was

740
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,200
like oh well i'm an actor so this is

741
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,880
going to reflect badly on me if i'm bad

742
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,960
at this game

743
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,200
it's why actors are the worst like

744
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,799
volunteers to have in a show

745
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,559
like getting an actor on stage you're

746
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,559
like oh god do i go for it and like

747
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,039
okay so

748
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,679
i guess for those who have played games

749
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,440
outside of no small roles have you found

750
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:21,440
that experience different

751
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,080
at all and i guess the easy answer which

752
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,679
i probably know is yeah of course due to

753
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,720
reasons being it's it's being recorded

754
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:28,880
and whatnot but what about some of the

755
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,320
nuances what about some of the smaller

756
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,720
changes that might not be so obvious to

757
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,919
people listening because

758
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,600
often

759
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:39,919
especially with you guys it's it's quite

760
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,640
polished there's you know very few kind

761
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:45,840
of gaps in in anything because we edit

762
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,840
them out yeah yeah

763
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:52,559
i i definitely take no small roles much

764
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,880
more seriously and we were the last time

765
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:57,200
we played david i went away and was like

766
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,919
there's there's things i do in that in

767
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,000
that campaign that i was almost a bit

768
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:04,399
like i need to take some of this spirit

769
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,120
and put it into no small roles because i

770
00:29:04,399 --> 00:29:09,120
think you know it's a podcast and

771
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,440
particularly is we've been really lucky

772
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,600
to have some really lovely feedback i

773
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,919
personally feel like you know there's a

774
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,720
responsibility to remember what your

775
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:20,880
character is doing and to sort of to

776
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,120
really sort of drive the story on

777
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,880
whereas i play a minus two intelligence

778
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,520
dragonborn barbarian in the other

779
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,159
campaign and we were we were fighting

780
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,120
some yeti a few weeks ago

781
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:32,320
and

782
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,760
it almost feels like there's no

783
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,440
consequence like you're not being

784
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,200
recorded so if you say something it just

785
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,600
goes out into the ether

786
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,440
um whereas

787
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,200
with no small roles there is a there is

788
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,360
a duty isn't there to sort of drive the

789
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,520
story on and i mean

790
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,279
it's not that it's not fun but you i do

791
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,080
feel like there is a responsibility

792
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:54,559
which i think is nice because

793
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,559
i do need to take it more seriously

794
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:59,520
because i can't i can't fumble around

795
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,880
with minus two intelligences tuna but i

796
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,880
i was i've been thinking a lot about

797
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,720
that recently so it was a very poignant

798
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,880
question for me

799
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,399
it's true though i feel like

800
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,440
compared to the two games

801
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:11,760
uh

802
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,919
the prep work that i do going into like

803
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,240
the home game is a lot less

804
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:18,480
like i'm not worried if i can't remember

805
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,000
a character voice i'm not worried if it

806
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,080
doesn't quite make sense to something

807
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,760
that's happened beforehand whereas like

808
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,679
the character prep

809
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,240
it's not a huge amount there's too many

810
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:29,600
too many npcs for one dm to think about

811
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,279
but the character prep that goes into

812
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,640
the podcast

813
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,720
like i'm actually making notes about

814
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,440
which i don't for the home game

815
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,080
um so that kind of like

816
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,600
like an actor prepares moments

817
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,240
yeah there is a lot more of it that goes

818
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480
in

819
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,480
like you say vicky because there's

820
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,640
again it's it's really fun i've quite

821
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,880
happily spent my entire life just

822
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,360
planning npcs it's just really indelible

823
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,880
isn't it exactly for other people not

824
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,480
just for yourself yeah i'm aware that

825
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,320
we're there to have fun

826
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,159
uh but that other people are gonna be

827
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,279
following it as well so there needs to

828
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:03,840
be some

829
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,640
some consistency for them

830
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,679
yeah

831
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,519
yeah

832
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:09,919
i just i think that yeah like i've

833
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,760
played in a a few other like games and

834
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:14,399
campaigns and stuff like outside of this

835
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,799
and like dm one for a little bit of time

836
00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:19,200
and i think like with no small roles i

837
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:22,240
think it is much more

838
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,200
when we're playing this game

839
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,559
partly because of the style of the

840
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,039
players but also i think a lot because

841
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:28,320
it's podcast and we're aware it's been

842
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,240
you know being put out and it's a story

843
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,039
and all of that like it does feel much

844
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,640
more i think story sort of driven and

845
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,080
role play driven than some of the other

846
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,159
games where you can be like let's just

847
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,320
go and bash up some monsters for four

848
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:42,399
hours and roll some dice and

849
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,559
you know have a laugh and that's fine

850
00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:46,240
like and that's really fun um and i

851
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,320
think no more roles we're much more

852
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,480
aware of like

853
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,640
character all the time much more aware

854
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,240
sort of plot much more aware of um that

855
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,080
thing we were saying earlier about daryl

856
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,440
like you're saying like giving everyone

857
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,720
the space that they need and sort of all

858
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480
of that and like okay this is really

859
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,880
nice scene so really want to make sure

860
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,559
that this scene plays out sort of nicely

861
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,080
for the for an audience point of view as

862
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,240
well so i think there's

863
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,480
there's lots of other considerations i

864
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,919
think like that that you take on when

865
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,080
you're when we're doing like a no small

866
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:16,080
roles episode compared with this stuff

867
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,919
yes wilson dyson

868
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,000
it's like we're all kind of taking a bit

869
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:22,320
more responsibility for the story

870
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,080
together it's not i feel like it's not

871
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,159
so much on the dm's shoulders as it

872
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,240
might be in another game but like we're

873
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:30,320
because we all have to be like in it and

874
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,799
present we're all thinking about keeping

875
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,320
an eye on things and and be taking like

876
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,840
you know really taking in character

877
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,880
names and stuff because it's important

878
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,799
and i kind of have been really enjoying

879
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,200
that and want to take some of that back

880
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,440
to my more home games and actually

881
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,880
be more attentive because it's really

882
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,200
fun the more you get into it and this

883
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,080
story we're all building together it's

884
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840
like

885
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,279
it's bloody cool

886
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,120
yeah yeah

887
00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:00,240
i think that's the difference between

888
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,480
doing it for a podcast doing it in a

889
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,240
home game and also being an actor in

890
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,640
either of those situations

891
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,240
just make it um everyone here is like

892
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,799
the answers that everyone just gave now

893
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,240
they're all like aware of an audience

894
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,919
you know i mean whether that audience is

895
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,320
themselves because they enjoy investing

896
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:18,240
in that story or the fact that oh what i

897
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,279
do and say someone's gonna listen to

898
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,799
that and you know i have to make this

899
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:25,120
enjoyable for them

900
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:27,360
whereas um people i don't want to speak

901
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,080
for everyone who is not an actor most

902
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,919
people who play d d are actors and

903
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,679
they're playing a game rather than

904
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:35,600
they're telling a story

905
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:37,600
this made me think of the last session i

906
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,080
dm'd i was running a module

907
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,880
and even though i had this intricate

908
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,399
plot that the adventure gave like one

909
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,880
character just wanted to romance the

910
00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:48,799
quest given the other person wanted to

911
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,840
preach their religion and it was fun it

912
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:53,360
was bonkers

913
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,279
and i realize

914
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,279
not not thinking like have i been

915
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,200
spoiled by no small roles like by

916
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,919
getting to play a really rich involving

917
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,519
story or have i forgotten that d is

918
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,880
essentially a game and these guys are

919
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:07,120
just getting what

920
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,960
they want to get out of it and we can

921
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,320
still have fun that way

922
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,679
i don't know it's just a quick one just

923
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,359
like to bring it back to your first

924
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,480
question dunlop about

925
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:18,800
what do we bring as a performer

926
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,800
to it what do we bring from our career

927
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,480
into it i think daryl you're absolutely

928
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,079
right like an awareness of audience and

929
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,520
i think it's probably no coincidence

930
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:30,159
that all of us have met doing open air

931
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,679
shakespeare in pub gardens where you're

932
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,599
performing not to like shakespeare and

933
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,200
aficionados who sit there because you

934
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,480
know they love every single shakespeare

935
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,079
play and you know can recite all the

936
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,679
speeches backwards but are there to have

937
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:42,079
a good time and like

938
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,159
it's really an interactive show with the

939
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:46,240
audience the the stuff that openbar puts

940
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,079
on and i think you just have to have

941
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:49,839
like an understand like an audience

942
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,599
awareness performing in that kind of

943
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:53,359
show and i think that and as as the as

944
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,760
the person who's employed you all to do

945
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:59,119
that like what what everyone in no small

946
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,599
roles has is that ability to do that

947
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:03,200
which is why

948
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:05,440
they've got those jobs in the first

949
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440
place

950
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:09,280
because you have to when you've got you

951
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,359
know tony whose wife sandra's dragged

952
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,040
him down to watch some shakespeare with

953
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:15,200
the promise of a pint in the middle of

954
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,200
it

955
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,960
like you say ben you've got you've kind

956
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,760
of got to have that sadistic side of you

957
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,560
where you kind of know that it all could

958
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,599
really crumble at any given moment yeah

959
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,880
yeah

960
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,200
and embrace that

961
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,880
yeah

962
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,920
you want to push push that line right up

963
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,520
to crumbling point and go okay

964
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,720
now we'll take it back walk on the cliff

965
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:43,050
edge

966
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:43,050
[Music]

967
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,880
[Music]

968
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:52,480
there's an interesting thing you

969
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,680
mentioned there vicky about and you in

970
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,599
the other game you mentioned that you

971
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,880
play a character with -2 intelligence

972
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,040
and how that

973
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,320
you could say directs

974
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
to use

975
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,720
terminology that you might be familiar

976
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,560
with um so my question to that and this

977
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,160
is a this is a deliberately a loaded

978
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,600
question because uh i'm going to be

979
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,119
splitting the party

980
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,040
[Laughter]

981
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:16,320
baby david and the rest of you

982
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,620
i love splitting the party

983
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,119
thing

984
00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:22,400
[Laughter]

985
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,000
by saying

986
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,280
do you feel that your character sheets

987
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,040
provide you

988
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,400
direction which now i say out loud

989
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,680
sounds kind of stupid but if you can

990
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,599
kind of meet me halfway and understand

991
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,359
what i'm getting at in that like

992
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,480
if it's -2

993
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:36,160
you know that's going to drastically

994
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,839
change how i act or change how you

995
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,440
approach that role

996
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:41,440
and then i'm a fan of follow-up

997
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,880
questions it would appear uh obviously

998
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,119
david you don't have that i would know

999
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,640
as a dm unless you don't typically build

1000
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,520
full character sheets for that you might

1001
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,920
have

1002
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,720
ideals blonde bonds flaws a lot of the

1003
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,880
time he does

1004
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,880
say

1005
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,680
we've answered that question ahead of

1006
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,920
time then because there's the answer so

1007
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,920
i guess so everybody then how do you how

1008
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,640
do you feel that your character sheet in

1009
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:12,400
of itself as a thing unique to d and d

1010
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,800
affects how you portray the role

1011
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,160
i oh i i

1012
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,599
i don't know if this is a conscious

1013
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,280
decision of mine

1014
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,920
but when we definitely when we started

1015
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:25,200
no small roles i was using the stats on

1016
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,960
my character sheet to help define the

1017
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,720
performance of my character like i'm

1018
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,000
looking at it right now because it's

1019
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:33,200
always within i'm answering my desk um

1020
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,240
like um

1021
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,320
enkidu character um his high stat is

1022
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,599
charisma and i remember there was a

1023
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,040
scene where

1024
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,119
guy is played by chris who is not with

1025
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,240
us today um

1026
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:49,359
and in guido were chatting to two

1027
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,119
all three young women in a pub and

1028
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:55,119
i thought well

1029
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:55,119
i've got charisma i've got i'm a warlock

1030
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,040
i

1031
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,880
had an attempt at that it's weird i do

1032
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,400
it does inform a little bit of it i

1033
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,040
don't i'm not i don't have to no one

1034
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,760
told me i have to but some part of me

1035
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,440
is wanting to use that as a framework

1036
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,680
to shape in my performance on my

1037
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,160
character

1038
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,599
yeah definitely i i

1039
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,520
haven't really found myself sitting on

1040
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,400
one side of the fence or the other i

1041
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,599
obviously

1042
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,680
obviously people make characters they

1043
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,359
want to play uh you know to a certain if

1044
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,359
you want to play a strong dude you plumb

1045
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:27,280
all your points into strength okay fine

1046
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:28,800
if you want to play an intelligence

1047
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,119
wizard you plumb more points into

1048
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,640
intelligence okay that makes sense

1049
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,240
but in terms of

1050
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,000
for charisma characters being the face

1051
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:38,320
of the party that always to me is

1052
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,920
something i don't like to lean into too

1053
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,800
much because it's not

1054
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,480
almost for the sake of it so i probably

1055
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,320
go swing too much in the other direction

1056
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,599
especially in one campaign i played semi

1057
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,040
recently i was

1058
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,960
very much uh

1059
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,720
kind of like an edgy bard in that i was

1060
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,079
like no i don't wanna i don't talk to

1061
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,760
anybody

1062
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,680
and the rest of the players are like

1063
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,880
pushing me to the front i'm like nah i'm

1064
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,880
shh i can't do

1065
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,280
your bard probably got a lot of

1066
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,200
attention

1067
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,040
yeah just because you were being cool

1068
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,560
and standoffish everyone's like so

1069
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,240
charismatic

1070
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,670
like a celeb wearing sunglasses and a

1071
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,000
hat

1072
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:23,119
[Laughter]

1073
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,560
what about the rest of you have you

1074
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,599
found that your character sheets provide

1075
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:31,040
a certain level of direction or do you a

1076
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:32,880
bit like myself try to do the opposite

1077
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,400
no i definitely i definitely find like

1078
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,960
it provides a center direction as well

1079
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,040
and i always kind of enjoy the

1080
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,960
the kind of playing into the low stat a

1081
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,800
little bit as well with it like what's

1082
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,079
the what's your lowest stat like how

1083
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,920
does what does that say about your

1084
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,839
character as well the bit that they're

1085
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,119
not good at like

1086
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:50,960
you're building these heroes and these

1087
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,800
people who are you know super strong or

1088
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,720
super intelligent or super dexterous or

1089
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,400
you know whatever but they've they've

1090
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,079
got to have flaws as well otherwise

1091
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,760
they're not i don't think they're

1092
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,680
they're interesting otherwise or they're

1093
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,760
not as interesting certainly

1094
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,680
um and certainly again for leaning into

1095
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,520
a podcast like i think you know you want

1096
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,240
to you want to explore flaws and all of

1097
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,079
that

1098
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,800
so with with oren in particular like

1099
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:17,040
charisma is his lowest stat like

1100
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,880
he's not charismatic um at all um

1101
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,040
and you know i've played like warlocks

1102
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,560
and stuff in the past and like enjoyed

1103
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,560
leaning into the charisma a bit more and

1104
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,280
like i play a charismatic

1105
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,200
bard rogue combo in a different campaign

1106
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,240
and then i quite like with lauren that

1107
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,800
he's he's just not good at that at all

1108
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,000
uh and that's sort of i think become

1109
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,400
quite a key sort of defining

1110
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,359
characteristic for him really

1111
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,599
i just was gonna say it's really fun

1112
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:45,359
not necessarily just playing but hearing

1113
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:47,760
a character try to do something they're

1114
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:50,800
really bad at it's like it's so

1115
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:53,440
satisfying to to sort of like be like oh

1116
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,200
god like there's a great moment that is

1117
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,160
coming up that i'm sure will have aired

1118
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,560
by the time this comes out where gwen

1119
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,800
and oren are having to make a decision

1120
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,760
on something and it's just the two of

1121
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,440
them

1122
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,720
which also doesn't give any spoilers if

1123
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,280
anyone hasn't watched this particular

1124
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:11,920
episode and there's something so joyful

1125
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:15,200
as the two characters that that aren't

1126
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,640
the ones to necessarily jump into the

1127
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,800
we're going this way we're going that

1128
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,839
way and sort of see see how that plays

1129
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,319
out it's really really fun i think as a

1130
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:27,119
sort of listener

1131
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:28,240
yeah like our character like sheets can

1132
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:31,119
give us

1133
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:32,480
building blocks to like use and have fun

1134
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,040
with like

1135
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,400
it's it's a fun way of kind of building

1136
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,920
your character is going okay well what

1137
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,200
did the dice tell me that my character

1138
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,200
is okay that's interesting i'm gonna

1139
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,760
use this build to inform this part of

1140
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,680
their personality and stuff and or it's

1141
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,839
gonna inspire like for example like you

1142
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,160
deciding to go against um

1143
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:53,680
certain stats like it's inspired you to

1144
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,680
do something different like okay that's

1145
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,000
what it is but i'm gonna twist that and

1146
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,079
like i think that's really fun like what

1147
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,000
vicky was saying like the idea of making

1148
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,520
a character sheet for a character we

1149
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,040
were playing in a play

1150
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,560
is really useful because it just gives

1151
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,400
us more to play with like

1152
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,640
building blocks that can be manipulated

1153
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,480
and like play-doh but um

1154
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,000
rather than just having a blank

1155
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,520
canvas and not knowing where to start

1156
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,319
you've got you've got things to help you

1157
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,359
yeah

1158
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:22,800
i think the other thing with that as

1159
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:23,599
well to just pick up on that grace is

1160
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,839
like

1161
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,520
with skills and things like that all

1162
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:29,200
leads to that can all be a source of

1163
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,119
character building as well so if you're

1164
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,200
like oh actually i wanna i want this

1165
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,880
character to be really stealthy and then

1166
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,560
you kind of go like okay his proficiency

1167
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,720
is in stealth and then you go

1168
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,400
why is his proficiency in stealth like

1169
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:43,599
that leads to an interesting question in

1170
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:46,480
your character creation to go okay so

1171
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:48,079
is this something because of his

1172
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,240
i don't know because of his background

1173
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,440
or because of his size or because of how

1174
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,520
he walks or

1175
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,160
or what is it like or because he only

1176
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,960
wears slippers i don't know like

1177
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,960
you definitely should

1178
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,480
and that makes a lot of sense now

1179
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:18,319
have tabaxie don't need shoes she does

1180
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,839
i'll have to tell you all about her

1181
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:21,200
sometimes she's got an in-depth

1182
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:22,960
backstory

1183
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,200
is she very stealthy though grace is the

1184
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,839
question she's so stealthy and she wears

1185
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,839
a lot of videos

1186
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,680
i think she packs a knitting needle

1187
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,599
separately

1188
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
i do think it's uh it's interesting that

1189
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:39,040
even with

1190
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:42,160
like even if you were to use the

1191
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,760
your stats as a building block for

1192
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,200
how to describe your character not just

1193
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,599
in a mechanical sense but in like a

1194
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,200
backstory in a uh

1195
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,920
a sort of a personality sense the thing

1196
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,599
is is that like the six basic stats

1197
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,880
there are so many different directions

1198
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,839
that you can go in just off of those

1199
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,359
anyway

1200
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:59,040
like somebody who's got a really high

1201
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:00,079
intelligence doesn't necessarily mean

1202
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,400
that they are

1203
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,079
incredibly educated

1204
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,000
like in the same way like it's not that

1205
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,920
they've gone to college and university

1206
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,880
and like spent thousands of years

1207
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,720
studying like the the depths of the arc

1208
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,800
they might have just been

1209
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,160
really intelligent street wise and

1210
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,720
they've got like a

1211
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,560
you know they've they've learned things

1212
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,480
from people from talking to people

1213
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,560
rather than from studying in books like

1214
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,440
that's a very

1215
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,960
rushed uh example uh but

1216
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,800
like they can be used all of these

1217
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,160
things can be used as building blocks

1218
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,040
but there's still so much choice in that

1219
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,599
in and of each one anyway so you're not

1220
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,800
necessarily tied to an exact number like

1221
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:45,280
a more simplistic would be like a

1222
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,440
heavyweight lifter versus a ballerina

1223
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,160
they're both really hella strong

1224
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,760
but in very different ways yeah yeah

1225
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,280
definitely

1226
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,440
yeah i think that's uh and i don't

1227
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,240
mention that a lot of newer players

1228
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,119
don't

1229
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:00,560
often appreciate might be there and

1230
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:03,359
but on the same breadth you know it can

1231
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,200
act as a crutch is maybe too negative a

1232
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:06,560
word but a you know a supporting thing

1233
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,319
to say i don't know what the hell this

1234
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,160
game is let me just

1235
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:11,440
read these numbers and kind of go from

1236
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,359
there but um

1237
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,200
one thing you mentioned ben about

1238
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:17,599
playing to the all weaknesses is

1239
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,520
something i'm super super super keen and

1240
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,319
fond on and i love and it's it's it i

1241
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:25,040
would say it uh makes the character have

1242
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:28,480
more humanity but of course that's a bit

1243
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:31,440
species specific within dnd so

1244
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:34,640
seem uh be more rounded i guess is

1245
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,880
the species agnostic way of doing it um

1246
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,760
and a short campaign i was just playing

1247
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,520
in that we had a necromancer wizard in

1248
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,160
the party who had

1249
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,720
garbage uh charisma

1250
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,720
and wisdom for that matter um and we we

1251
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,839
just ended a small like hamlet and there

1252
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:53,440
had been a murder by allegedly some

1253
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,800
undead horrors during the night and

1254
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,040
there's a bunch of towns go hard and

1255
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,720
people outside but oh crying sad

1256
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,440
someone's died usual kind of stuff um

1257
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,720
i'm

1258
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,359
probably surprising that i was in oliver

1259
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,359
with that performance

1260
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,520
but uh

1261
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,960
this uh this their commander just walked

1262
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,960
up and was like

1263
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:16,240
what's happening with the body then guys

1264
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,280
and the rest of us are just like

1265
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,040
why would he

1266
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,640
do that he just turned around like just

1267
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,160
completely poker faced the rest of us in

1268
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,079
real life and was like

1269
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,800
because i've got you know i don't know

1270
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,920
how to talk to people and i want to

1271
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,400
resurrect

1272
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,400
[Laughter]

1273
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,160
so yeah that led to its really own kind

1274
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,680
of unique

1275
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,240
interactions with the town guard and

1276
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,160
like the grieving family and all that

1277
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,160
kind of stuff so that's something i

1278
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,160
super super recommend it's all

1279
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,400
it's all too tempting to build a mary

1280
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,200
sue

1281
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,079
when you have that unlimited power of

1282
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,200
building a character you want to build

1283
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,480
so

1284
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,560
talking of

1285
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,480
acting and

1286
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,800
how you bring that to the table and how

1287
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,480
you perform at the table what

1288
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,240
recommendations would you have and this

1289
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,079
might be another tricky question for

1290
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:14,880
people who are potentially less

1291
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,319
comfortable with getting in character at

1292
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,119
the table

1293
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:19,040
so

1294
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,839
people who aren't actors people who are

1295
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,559
maybe uh you know slightly shyer

1296
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:25,920
slightly less self-confident but i've

1297
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,760
turned up to play the game as with

1298
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,839
everybody else and it's still a bit like

1299
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,760
you were mentioning earlier on grace and

1300
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:32,559
it's similar vayner

1301
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,200
kind of

1302
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,800
expected to perform

1303
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,400
what did what what would your thoughts

1304
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,119
be on that and maybe your recommendation

1305
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,920
to those in that situation

1306
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:45,839
um first establish that the place that

1307
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,359
you're playing is a safe place thank you

1308
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:49,359
vicky gaskin um a safe place

1309
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,480
i ran a show called safe place

1310
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,520
but yeah i've noticed that the the

1311
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,599
places that you're playing in is safe no

1312
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,319
one's gonna judge you uh you're among

1313
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:04,000
friends and for characters imagine the

1314
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:05,440
person that

1315
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,920
you wish you were

1316
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,359
or wish you could be and

1317
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,599
try and go for that

1318
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:12,880
because i

1319
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:15,680
i

1320
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,280
the first time i played dnd

1321
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,480
the guys i was playing with were very

1322
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,119
clearly

1323
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,920
free of any social inhibitions in that

1324
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:25,440
game

1325
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:27,280
and i was like what is this

1326
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,480
what are you doing no we can't do this

1327
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,079
oh never mind um but yeah like if you're

1328
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,760
maybe if you're underconfident like

1329
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,720
think about the person you wish you were

1330
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,240
and try and bring them to life and then

1331
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,160
now on down the line realize that person

1332
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:42,800
was you the whole time

1333
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,119
[Music]

1334
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,610
i wish we were at times

1335
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,440
there

1336
00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:50,720
[Music]

1337
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,800
daryl say something profound later

1338
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:55,280
yeah i've got them in fortune cookies

1339
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,280
let me just

1340
00:48:55,839 --> 00:49:01,040
i would buy those i think like if i was

1341
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,119
not an actor and wanting to put together

1342
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,960
a character like

1343
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,200
i would recommend to somebody like to

1344
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,839
draw inspiration maybe from their

1345
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,599
favorite film or their favorite book or

1346
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:13,680
something like that to go you know i

1347
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:17,359
like this character or this character's

1348
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,960
interesting like um that they could go

1349
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:20,559
hey i'm that's going to be my base

1350
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,640
that's where i'm going to start i like

1351
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,119
and whether it's like because everyone

1352
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:28,880
can do a silly voice like if they wanted

1353
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:30,800
to do or an impression of someone uh and

1354
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,920
like they could like if there was a film

1355
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,200
that they liked and they were like oh

1356
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,800
yeah i can do an impression of that

1357
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,960
person maybe i'll use that as my

1358
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,200
starting block and then i'll develop it

1359
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,359
further like to kind of just give

1360
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,040
yourself something fun to start with

1361
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:45,359
like something that is familiar

1362
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,680
territory so that it doesn't feel too

1363
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:49,680
like you out of your depth and something

1364
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,520
you can connect to but also something

1365
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,240
that will give you the freedom to build

1366
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,079
something new and have fun with and i do

1367
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,680
think like even though i know accents

1368
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:00,400
and voices are not for everyone and i

1369
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:02,079
don't think that they're necessary i

1370
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,680
like doing them because and especially

1371
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,599
for a podcast it makes it much clearer

1372
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,520
for our listeners to know if it's grace

1373
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:09,040
speaking or gwendolyn although right now

1374
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,559
my voice sounds a lot like gwendolyn so

1375
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,520
maybe

1376
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,599
but

1377
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:16,640
like it can also be a way to kind of

1378
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:18,960
help you get out of your own inhibitions

1379
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,119
like to kind of help you like even if

1380
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,440
it's just like oh i'm doing a little bit

1381
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:25,920
more of a different voice or or i'm just

1382
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,839
speaking a bit higher and that's the way

1383
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,319
that i'm going to try and feel like it's

1384
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:32,000
not just me because then you can be like

1385
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:34,000
okay it's the character like the

1386
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,040
character is talking i don't have to

1387
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,079
worry about

1388
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,760
me grace saying something stupid because

1389
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:41,920
my character might say something stupid

1390
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,200
and that's fine and that's good

1391
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,880
and

1392
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,160
hopefully that would i don't know that

1393
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,680
would be my recommendation for somebody

1394
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,520
who felt a bit more shy about the role

1395
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,800
play sort of thing kind of start with

1396
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,640
something that's familiar to you and

1397
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,800
build on it and

1398
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,800
give you ways to feel comfortable that

1399
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,079
it's not you that's being judged

1400
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,079
and your character's not being judged

1401
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:03,440
either like allow yourself to play and

1402
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:05,040
be free and to make mistakes like

1403
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,559
falling over is one of the most

1404
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,760
important things in acting and i think

1405
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,680
it's one of the most important things in

1406
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,880
role players let yourself fall over

1407
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,880
because you can get back up again

1408
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:17,440
i'd actually always say like picking up

1409
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,040
on that grace like try and

1410
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,520
push the character away from you a

1411
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,040
little bit if you can because

1412
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,119
having a little bit of separation almost

1413
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,359
between the character and you

1414
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,319
might be a nice way of being like okay

1415
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:29,760
well if

1416
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:31,520
i say something stupid as the character

1417
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,040
that's the character being stupid like

1418
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,559
that's not me like we're completely

1419
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,440
different right yeah

1420
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,880
um

1421
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,400
it might might help some people some

1422
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,160
people might want to play something that

1423
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,680
feels sort of similar to them and so

1424
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,680
close to them um

1425
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,920
i think the other thing that i'd say

1426
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,680
that's quite a useful little thing to

1427
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,520
think about is also

1428
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,280
describing like what your character does

1429
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,640
a little bit like a little bit in third

1430
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,599
person as well if you don't feel

1431
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,920
comfortable like breaking down in tears

1432
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,040
at a table you know or whatever you can

1433
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,160
say

1434
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,160
she then

1435
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,680
does this and like she screams in

1436
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,359
frustration and throws our axe through

1437
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,200
the window like

1438
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:09,920
you don't have to like actually scream

1439
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,839
in frustration and hit someone

1440
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,400
at the table like please don't hit

1441
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:18,000
anybody at the table that would yeah

1442
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:20,000
what table again with the safe space

1443
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,880
but yeah that might just help people

1444
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,880
kind of

1445
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,160
get you know into the mindset of their

1446
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,319
character without feeling that they have

1447
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,680
to physically like embody everything

1448
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:30,079
themselves immediately that's a good

1449
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,319
point like it doesn't all have to be

1450
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:33,839
like voiced as your character like yeah

1451
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:36,480
you can drop into

1452
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:38,559
um third person and say she you can even

1453
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,720
sort of stay in character and be like i

1454
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:42,720
would like to do this and like talk like

1455
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:44,400
that and describe it in that way

1456
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,240
that yeah you're still you're still role

1457
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,680
playing you're still enjoying the game

1458
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,359
you're still controlling that character

1459
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,559
and being that character

1460
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:52,160
there are just there's so many different

1461
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,599
ways to express that

1462
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,640
if you're worried if you are worried

1463
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:58,880
about the performance aspect

1464
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,839
i think as well there are characters

1465
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:04,319
that if i i think inevitably if you are

1466
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:06,160
playing a character in d and d

1467
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:08,640
you will grow to love that character and

1468
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,960
enjoy playing them um

1469
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,200
but i think like like there are like for

1470
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,640
example um

1471
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,800
the character i play in david's other

1472
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,200
campaign which is a dragonball barbarian

1473
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,079
with very low intelligence

1474
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,160
for a beginner that's quite a good

1475
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,119
character to take on because you can

1476
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,040
kind of

1477
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:29,680
you don't have to worry too much about

1478
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:33,359
leading the party in decisions and your

1479
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,880
sort of your focus can go on well how

1480
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:36,800
does my character sort of feel about

1481
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,240
this and they're sort of dragged through

1482
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,599
a bit and

1483
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:43,280
my natural energy is to jump in and go

1484
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,359
let's do this but there's something

1485
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,680
quite nice about playing that character

1486
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:50,079
that sits back and is like just sort of

1487
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,520
led and she yeah she sort of goes over

1488
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:54,160
here and

1489
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,680
says the wrong answer and it's sort of

1490
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,440
there's something

1491
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,760
quite freeing about that and i think if

1492
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,800
if someone was really feeling anxious

1493
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,800
about playing a character to maybe

1494
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,280
choose a character that that does stand

1495
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,960
back a bit to just sort of break them in

1496
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,480
and then you know your stats go up as

1497
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,880
you level up that's the beauty of

1498
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,960
levelling up isn't it you can go oh well

1499
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,119
you know i might do this subclass that

1500
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,280
gives them a bit more of this or i might

1501
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,640
take this feat and as you sort of grow

1502
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,559
to know the game you can sort of

1503
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,480
building block on what is essentially

1504
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:28,319
sort of a child character and sort of

1505
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,160
grow out from there yeah they have a

1506
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:32,319
story arc you don't know necessarily

1507
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,280
where that arc is going to go but it's

1508
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:36,799
building and developing and

1509
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,400
and like so there's so many different

1510
00:54:36,799 --> 00:54:39,839
approaches to

1511
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,839
having these things but it's also

1512
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:44,720
remembering that this is a collaborative

1513
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:46,640
game it's never going to just be like

1514
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,240
folk the spotlight constantly on you

1515
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,160
it's

1516
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,680
role playing like making sure that if

1517
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,839
you're worried about role playing then

1518
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,200
ask another character a question like

1519
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:59,119
draw them into your conversation to like

1520
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,720
and also like as players who are more

1521
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,319
confident whether somebody's less

1522
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,480
confident at the table

1523
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:06,240
draw them in to your conversation give

1524
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,240
them an opportunity to role play if

1525
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,440
they're not feeling like

1526
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:11,839
up to the

1527
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,240
moment like give them something to work

1528
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:16,960
with i think that's being very generous

1529
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:18,880
as a team and and as a party is

1530
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,960
something that i think helps

1531
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,200
all round for the role play and those

1532
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,880
who aren't so confident with the acting

1533
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,720
yeah absolutely yeah trust in the

1534
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,319
process just adding on to what both

1535
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:30,640
vicky and grace are saying especially

1536
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:32,880
when vicky said about a child like when

1537
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,960
you start a campaign or a session you

1538
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,280
are a child you and your character you

1539
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,599
both know literally nothing

1540
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,000
um you know what you want to do and what

1541
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:44,000
you can do what maybe you want to do in

1542
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,920
the future but the world around you

1543
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,839
might not know a lot and you're going to

1544
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,440
be asking the dm and other

1545
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:51,040
players loads of questions about where

1546
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,839
do we go from here and what's going on

1547
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,280
in that place over there and as you play

1548
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:56,799
if you're in the campaign as you play

1549
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,200
more games you learn more about the

1550
00:55:56,799 --> 00:56:01,200
world you get an idea of

1551
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,839
what you as a player want to get out of

1552
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,040
this game and what your character is

1553
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:08,079
going towards like you both grow from

1554
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,319
there

1555
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:12,480
and yeah trust in that process and just

1556
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:14,000
losing yourself in the game you just try

1557
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,000
school week try training wheels will

1558
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,440
come off

1559
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,040
i was i was mentally preparing for

1560
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,040
another profound moment and it came

1561
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,760
there's a there's an irony there in in

1562
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:29,680
character development i think of to put

1563
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,119
a nice little bone out of what i started

1564
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,359
this question with of people coming to

1565
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,720
the character and feeling a bit like

1566
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:36,880
ah i'm

1567
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,920
i'm boxed in and everyone's expecting

1568
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,760
and expecting on me but to basically

1569
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,599
time what you guys have said that in in

1570
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,400
fact the opposite is true it's an

1571
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:48,079
opportunity to be free and to live

1572
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,480
somewhere else and then to not and to

1573
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:52,720
completely forget about any boxes and

1574
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,319
walls and pressures and to to be to do

1575
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:56,799
the complete opposite thing

1576
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:58,640
yeah it's the ultimate escapism isn't it

1577
00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:00,480
like particularly at the moment when all

1578
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,240
we can do is be on zoom

1579
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,559
you can get lost in tillersham or

1580
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:06,640
wherever you know

1581
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,400
be someone completely different

1582
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,640
so i i have a

1583
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,520
one of my primary campaigns um

1584
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:16,000
my character in that is a barbarian

1585
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,160
paladin primarily barbarian but one of

1586
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,680
the reasons i chose that was to

1587
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,200
basically have the evening off versus dm

1588
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,440
hey i'm just going to sit down and i'm

1589
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,760
going to come along for the ride and

1590
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,040
he's not like stupid he's just

1591
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,880
i know you know he's got a very strong

1592
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,200
moral code funnily enough but it's it's

1593
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,200
just that this is my evening off i'm

1594
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,440
gonna have a few beers and not have to

1595
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,160
just freak out anytime anyone asks me a

1596
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,559
question and i have to go oh god how is

1597
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,359
this npc gonna react

1598
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:47,599
and then on the other hand i also play a

1599
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:48,960
high intelligence wizard who nicely

1600
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,280
fills in the other half of my

1601
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,150
personality of being a very arrogant

1602
00:57:51,280 --> 00:58:00,799
holier than thou

1603
00:57:52,150 --> 00:58:02,480
[Laughter]

1604
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:04,319
so my day-to-day interactions of actual

1605
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,559
human beings i i kind of sit in the

1606
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,559
middle

1607
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:11,520
um so we we we talked briefly there i

1608
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,280
think gracie mentioned about voice

1609
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,119
acting um which is a form of acting i

1610
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,359
believe um

1611
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:21,839
i and you mentioned briefly there about

1612
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:23,680
you know it not being a mandatory thing

1613
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:25,760
and again it's similar to

1614
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,680
just physical acting for lack of a

1615
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,040
better term at the table so what are

1616
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,400
your thoughts on

1617
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,240
that and not to put anyone in an awkward

1618
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,359
position of saying like it's

1619
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,359
it's better when people aren't

1620
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,799
comfortable about it but i just really

1621
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:37,760
wanted to get your guys

1622
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:38,720
gauge

1623
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,920
on it

1624
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:43,359
a because i know you guys do them um and

1625
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,000
do them rather well

1626
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:47,599
um obviously mine end up tend to being

1627
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,720
uh

1628
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:50,720
generic gruff man

1629
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,119
there is a real place for that in

1630
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,200
dungeons and dragons absolutely yeah

1631
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,640
absolutely

1632
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,400
my party members have met so many

1633
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,720
generic gruff men

1634
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,720
[Laughter]

1635
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,040
um

1636
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,880
i finally left the generic craft women

1637
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,880
sound quite similar unfortunately

1638
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,280
uh yes i don't know what your guys takes

1639
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,720
are on on voice acting on how to maybe

1640
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,359
if people want to flex that muscle a bit

1641
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,559
more how can they approach that if they

1642
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:23,520
if it's something they want to do but

1643
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:26,720
again maybe aren't quite there yet uh

1644
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,760
and how you feel it impacts the game as

1645
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,520
a

1646
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,280
narrative

1647
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,359
thing

1648
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,440
david said to us when we did our session

1649
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:37,760
zeros which ended up being episode one

1650
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,400
and two he said for that if you want to

1651
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:43,440
try an accent do it it doesn't mean you

1652
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,359
have to do it and that was really lovely

1653
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,280
because i wasn't sure whether i wanted

1654
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:49,359
to have a like

1655
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,040
like a junior voice

1656
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:53,040
but because he was like you know you

1657
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,960
don't you don't have to commit to it you

1658
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,119
can just give it a go and

1659
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,880
i think you sort of you get to know

1660
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,720
sometimes it's right sometimes it's not

1661
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,880
right and

1662
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:05,760
for me i was like oh yeah this is juna's

1663
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,520
voice but equally it might not have been

1664
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,920
but it was nice to go just try it for

1665
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,359
one or like if you were someone who was

1666
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,280
a bit more like oh god i'm gonna try

1667
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:15,839
this accent it might come out complete

1668
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:18,000
rubbish but to you know maybe like today

1669
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:20,240
i'm going to try a voice it might go

1670
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,760
well it might not and just sort of flag

1671
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,359
it up and then if you start doing a

1672
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,040
voice and fade it out halfway through

1673
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:27,200
the session no one's going to be like

1674
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,160
what is going on with that character

1675
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:33,760
it's just you know it's all part of the

1676
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:36,640
building on the story stuff isn't it and

1677
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:39,359
yeah for me like the first dnd game i

1678
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:43,599
ever played with david diem and um and i

1679
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:44,799
made a wood elf ranger perrin who i love

1680
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,480
um

1681
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:49,520
but like i remember in the first session

1682
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,520
like he didn't have a voice

1683
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,040
well we have to do voices as well like

1684
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,359
everyone else everyone else was like

1685
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,280
much more experienced like role players

1686
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:01,200
and d d players it felt like or most

1687
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,240
people were apart from me and sarah like

1688
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,079
knew what they're doing and everyone

1689
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,960
suddenly like chris was there doing his

1690
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:10,480
like obi-wan kenobi voice and vicky was

1691
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:13,839
suddenly like busting out voices a thick

1692
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,839
cod spanish accent

1693
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,480
this sort of juggling knife throwing

1694
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:19,280
kind of uh dwarf right yeah

1695
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,559
yeah

1696
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,160
um

1697
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:23,599
but then i remember the second i think

1698
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,359
it was the second session maybe i was

1699
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,599
just like he's going to be west country

1700
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:29,599
like just just go big broad west country

1701
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,839
kind of voice and

1702
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:33,920
i just remembered for me like i just

1703
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:36,079
started enjoying the character so much

1704
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,480
more because it just suddenly felt

1705
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:40,880
separate and sort of like

1706
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,000
it was a uh a quick route into kind of

1707
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,440
creating a bit of a character that then

1708
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,880
hopefully has sort of deepened a bit and

1709
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,040
sort of developed a bit as it's gone

1710
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,040
along but it was it was a helpful

1711
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,559
shortcut to start off but do you think

1712
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,640
as grace says like

1713
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:54,559
you don't need a you type you don't have

1714
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,680
to but like it also doesn't have to be

1715
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,520
you don't have to be good at accents or

1716
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,480
anything like that if you just are like

1717
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,160
okay actually he

1718
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,400
i don't know talks in the third person

1719
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,400
or he's a little bit talks faster than

1720
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,000
me or slower than me or

1721
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,319
whatever it is like just a little

1722
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,440
something i just think is is a nice way

1723
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:15,280
of just differentiating and just helps

1724
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,200
helps you get into it a little more i

1725
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,200
find helps you think like for example if

1726
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,799
you're having a conversation

1727
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,559
like say you're talking about what

1728
01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:24,079
you're going to do next

1729
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:26,319
if you start having that conversation as

1730
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:29,200
you the player you can kind of get a bit

1731
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:31,599
metagamy whereas if you're doing it a

1732
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:34,000
bit more in character then it's easier

1733
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:35,839
to access like thinking oh what would my

1734
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,680
character do okay

1735
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:39,680
my character would say this so i'm gonna

1736
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,440
say that and that and rather than kind

1737
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,240
of overthinking it too much you can kind

1738
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,400
of

1739
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,640
access being in your character a bit

1740
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,559
better like doing a voice can help that

1741
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,319
it can really help you get into that if

1742
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,839
you're looking for a kind of crutch to

1743
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:53,680
how do i get into my character then

1744
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:55,440
giving them a voice is something really

1745
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,400
useful i mean for us like obviously

1746
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,559
we're a podcast so having clear

1747
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,200
different voices is just useful for our

1748
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:06,400
listeners and it's also more interesting

1749
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:08,240
i think as well but for home games it

1750
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:11,039
can just be like

1751
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:13,200
in in our other home game uh within um

1752
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:14,880
that we do with our circus uh my whole

1753
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:19,280
character was based off the accent

1754
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:22,160
because i am a very charming

1755
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:25,200
gnome bard and obviously my surname is

1756
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:28,640
jones because i am gregor jones and like

1757
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:31,599
the whole character came from that voice

1758
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:34,160
but i wouldn't have had it any other way

1759
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:35,839
yeah yeah that's there's love

1760
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,240
one good friend of mine

1761
01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:40,960
who was the one i mentioned uh that i

1762
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,799
started playing d d with and his anytime

1763
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,400
he starts a new character the rest of us

1764
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:47,359
at the table you could have collectively

1765
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,839
just hold our breath for what

1766
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:51,039
wonderful voice he is going to grace us

1767
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:52,319
with

1768
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,920
this session

1769
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:57,599
um he does

1770
01:03:53,920 --> 01:04:00,240
a stellar sean connery

1771
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:02,960
which is a very interesting to play

1772
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,960
opposite uh

1773
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,720
i think something you said there grace

1774
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,559
about overthinking it that's something i

1775
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,400
personally do probably a little bit too

1776
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,200
much and i really need to get rid of

1777
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,920
that

1778
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,839
hang up of being like okay

1779
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,599
what do i want to say in this situation

1780
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:20,000
rather than just letting it kind of it's

1781
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:24,319
just happening in the moment

1782
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:26,240
which i find easier to do as a dm

1783
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:27,680
because i think the stakes are slightly

1784
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,640
lower with

1785
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,760
nine out of ten npcs in in a given

1786
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,039
campaign

1787
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,160
rather than my

1788
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:36,480
my baby

1789
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,520
who's who's you know he's got the stakes

1790
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,079
are through the roof because he don't

1791
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,680
want to die so

1792
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,790
but generic shopkeeper a he can be as

1793
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,599
flippant as he wants

1794
01:04:42,790 --> 01:04:47,520
[Laughter]

1795
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:48,880
well yeah i was gonna i was gonna say

1796
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,520
like for especially

1797
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,400
from a dm perspective like it is worth

1798
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,480
having

1799
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,720
like ideas of different voices for

1800
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,280
different characters but ultimately as

1801
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,480
long as you're you're talking as them

1802
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,079
like the players will completely

1803
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,839
understand what you're saying and if you

1804
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:08,000
happen to sound like the same guy from

1805
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:10,480
two towns over like it's not an issue

1806
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,359
um if anything it can be quite funny we

1807
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,960
had a

1808
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:15,520
situation where

1809
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,839
um a few episodes ago the whole party

1810
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,760
decided to go to a posh house that i

1811
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:20,720
hadn't really prepared

1812
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,160
um

1813
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:26,400
and uh the the the housemaid came out

1814
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,559
and she was west country uh because

1815
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,480
that's how she was talking and uh

1816
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:33,119
apparently all housekeepers are west

1817
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,880
country now uh like basically i fell

1818
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,880
back on a different housekeeper that

1819
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,319
they'd already met a few episodes ago

1820
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,280
before that

1821
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:41,839
so

1822
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,160
now it's a thing that housekeepers sound

1823
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:45,520
with a west country voice um doesn't

1824
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,760
help of course that the west country

1825
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,839
accent when juna starts talking

1826
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,280
is so

1827
01:05:48,839 --> 01:05:52,640
addictive uh it's really hard to like

1828
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,559
fight against it

1829
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,319
but yeah something i struggled with for

1830
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,760
all of those like on the fly characters

1831
01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:59,520
it really doesn't matter as long as

1832
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,400
you've got the right the

1833
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:04,880
the attitude of that character

1834
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,880
any voice okay like you can you can slap

1835
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,480
anything on it and and everyone at the

1836
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,640
table is going to have a good time

1837
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:13,119
mm-hmm yes i think sorry ben mentioned

1838
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:16,000
about the the almost the mannerisms the

1839
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:18,640
foy balls are probably more important

1840
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,760
than you know how they yeah

1841
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,119
how they approach the party how they you

1842
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,880
know the words they use maybe they have

1843
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:26,240
a phrase maybe they end each sentence

1844
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,280
with

1845
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,720
like

1846
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,839
yeah

1847
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,039
in it

1848
01:06:30,839 --> 01:06:36,400
yeah maybe they don't pronounce their

1849
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:38,079
t's like yeah yeah yeah and

1850
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,079
if you're if you're struggling to like

1851
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:41,599
make a decision about those things like

1852
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:43,680
fall back on

1853
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:46,400
what does the character want

1854
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,640
because say it's a sneaky character uh

1855
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,480
like again coming from like an npc

1856
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:53,119
perspective like if they're trying to

1857
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,400
approach the party in like a hushed way

1858
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,839
they're probably going to be talking a

1859
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,039
little bit softer

1860
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:59,440
like they're not going to be walking up

1861
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:01,839
to be like hello how's it going i've got

1862
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,839
crime

1863
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:07,680
i want to meet that in dc now

1864
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:11,039
i've got red crime i've got blue crime

1865
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:13,359
i've got all the crime yeah going quick

1866
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:15,839
so yeah like having an idea of like

1867
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:17,599
uh from a from a player perspective like

1868
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:20,480
an idea of what it is that your

1869
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:23,119
character wants all together can kind of

1870
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,599
like trim such a show-off and so he had

1871
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:27,760
a really showy-offy voice didn't he yeah

1872
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:29,839
yeah so yeah like it can it can help

1873
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,280
guide how your character sounds yeah

1874
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:33,200
that's there's so many things to play

1875
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,680
with there's accent there's softness

1876
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:38,640
there's speech pattern there

1877
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:40,839
so much uh vocal tics like

1878
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,000
tempo as well

1879
01:07:40,839 --> 01:07:44,319
yeah characters

1880
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,200
they use like maybe they use lots of big

1881
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:50,400
words um maybe they use like maybe they

1882
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:52,559
just say like one word at a time

1883
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,520
like there's so much to play with it's

1884
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:56,799
not just accent

1885
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,160
the other thing is like just just

1886
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:00,400
picking up just slightly on the back of

1887
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,480
that is like that that it's a slightly

1888
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,160
improv thing of like just sort of lean

1889
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,680
into any happy accents if you start

1890
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,200
saying something as a character and it's

1891
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,319
like not at all what you thought it was

1892
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,839
going to be and it's all gone a bit

1893
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:11,760
wrong and sounds like it's come out

1894
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:13,920
weird like okay maybe that's how the

1895
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,119
character yeah again that's what they do

1896
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,199
like they

1897
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,640
they say things in a certain way or like

1898
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,080
you know they get things

1899
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,319
certain things wrong and like that can

1900
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,920
become a little character that like

1901
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,359
they don't know the meaning of two

1902
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,880
different words or something or you know

1903
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:29,120
or they get you know

1904
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,719
uh get things in a model like lean into

1905
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:34,480
it if something comes along

1906
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:34,480
the best ideas can come from mistakes

1907
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,359
and and it kind of comes back to a

1908
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,679
previous question like i think one of

1909
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:44,960
the things from being performers is that

1910
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:47,520
we like when people laugh at us it like

1911
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,880
fuels us to go further and i think you

1912
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,400
know it's

1913
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,799
it's you sort of forget that if you're

1914
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,279
not a performer that fear of people

1915
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:56,799
laughing at you can be quite inhibiting

1916
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:58,799
and it's almost like if everyone's

1917
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,960
laughing at what you're doing

1918
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:03,839
do it more like that sort of your your

1919
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,560
road map to where to go rather than what

1920
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:09,279
to sort of pull away from

1921
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,040
yeah my my friend jamie who featured on

1922
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,640
the mistakes episode in that episode he

1923
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,880
put it quite well and that dnd is a

1924
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,400
series of mistakes

1925
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,719
happy accidents

1926
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,640
the whole game is pretty much

1927
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:22,960
being on part the dm beyond part of the

1928
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,440
players or the npcs like it's it's a

1929
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,839
series of unfortunate events strung into

1930
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:30,799
some compelling narrative by

1931
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:32,960
the with the will of the ether um

1932
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:34,000
and the dice the

1933
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,839
like dice

1934
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,080
it back to what david said earlier like

1935
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:39,920
if you fail like you're a super

1936
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,799
charismatic character and you roll a one

1937
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,279
like

1938
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:45,279
you know again lean into that like

1939
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,560
what have you said what's this massive

1940
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,000
clanger you've just dropped into that

1941
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,560
conversation that's like killed the

1942
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,600
conversation dead or like

1943
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,239
you know

1944
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,360
embrace embrace the failure

1945
01:09:54,239 --> 01:10:00,000
that's a a very excellent segue into my

1946
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:02,480
next thought which is of course

1947
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,880
one of the skills in the fifth edition

1948
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:06,880
character sheet is performance

1949
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,400
and i wanted to

1950
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,000
get your

1951
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,159
temperature on

1952
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,000
whether that skill is

1953
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:16,640
like loaded in a certain way for you

1954
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,080
guys i i'm struggling to you know put it

1955
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,600
in a way that makes sense but obviously

1956
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,840
to us

1957
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,360
regular folk and you know

1958
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,640
sat behind a computer for eight hours a

1959
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,600
day um

1960
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,960
it's it's it kind of it feels it falls

1961
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,560
in the milieu of all the other of you

1962
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,440
know i'm no more an acrobat that i am a

1963
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,719
performer i'm no more a weightlifter

1964
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,000
than i am

1965
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:37,199
bear grylls

1966
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,520
um

1967
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:40,880
but obviously you your profession is

1968
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,040
performance

1969
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,640
so i wanted to know whether that had any

1970
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,800
kind of yeah just just extra

1971
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:49,520
connotations there that

1972
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,120
other people might not be aware of

1973
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,719
it's made me terrified to ever play a

1974
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,000
bar

1975
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:56,000
i feel like

1976
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,520
the pressure is would be enormous i

1977
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,120
think yeah so yeah oh i don't know

1978
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,360
there's another there's another

1979
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:05,440
character i play who is terrible at

1980
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,920
performance and as a performer it's

1981
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:10,800
almost like a real like relish

1982
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:14,159
so this is this sort of thick character

1983
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:16,719
and she was told a joke by a depressed

1984
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:19,679
clown so her version of humor was

1985
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:21,840
insulting people and you know like

1986
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:23,760
there's it's almost like

1987
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,480
like going away from

1988
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,719
some like our job is performing but our

1989
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:30,480
character's performance is terrible but

1990
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:34,000
then they're trying to perform there's

1991
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:36,159
sort of almost like a sick thrill out of

1992
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,640
leaning into the rubbish stats like what

1993
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:39,600
ben was saying earlier

1994
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,440
i don't know if that answers the

1995
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,600
question but that just was my thought

1996
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:45,679
that came into my head

1997
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,679
yeah there's more stakes as well because

1998
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:49,760
you know performance performing to put

1999
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:50,960
on the show and like it's a routine like

2000
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,320
we did this show tonight and we'll be

2001
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,760
back tomorrow night and the night after

2002
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,360
and we get paid and we go and tour and

2003
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,199
there's an audience that love it usually

2004
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,560
you put on a performance because i know

2005
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:00,480
your mates need to sneak around the back

2006
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,440
or something so there are stakes to it

2007
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,440
so of course you're going to be

2008
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,120
terrifying when the dean goes you want

2009
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:08,239
to do make a performance check and

2010
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,840
you're like oh no

2011
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:11,840
because you know what happens you know

2012
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,960
what the stakes are yeah

2013
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,480
and it's a it's another

2014
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:19,120
it's another check it's another game

2015
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:21,199
mechanic rather than it for me at least

2016
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,920
rather than it being loaded with well

2017
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:26,480
this is where i inject myself into this

2018
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,960
one check amazing do or die

2019
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:32,400
it's again like ben said it's a the dice

2020
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:34,560
are a much bigger factor than any trait

2021
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,760
i could bring to that if that makes

2022
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,320
sense

2023
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:41,040
and it's like our job as actors is like

2024
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,800
professional lying essentially

2025
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,880
but that doesn't mean that actors are

2026
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,560
good liars you're right in their real

2027
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,360
life

2028
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,360
or are we

2029
01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:55,020
[Laughter]

2030
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:02,320
like suggestion perhaps that uh the

2031
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,400
performance skill

2032
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,080
kind of refers to

2033
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,159
maybe it's just me like a musical

2034
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,520
performance mm-hmm like but again

2035
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,760
because it seems to be a lot of bards

2036
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,440
that it's well like you associate it

2037
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,719
with bards that then

2038
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,080
sort of that then follows through that

2039
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:18,000
maybe there's probably an instrument

2040
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,520
involved or singing or something but

2041
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:22,560
yeah like daryl says like the

2042
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:24,480
performance can be anything like that

2043
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,760
but it can just be a full distraction

2044
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,040
like that doesn't have to be a deception

2045
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,880
or a persuasion or anything like that

2046
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:32,880
could be a performance

2047
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:36,320
yeah so yeah like i feel like in real

2048
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:39,280
life people are performing in a lot more

2049
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:41,199
capacities and they necessarily realize

2050
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,360
and so like yeah having that moment in

2051
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:45,600
game of a performance especially when

2052
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,199
it's not tied to i'm on a stage i'm

2053
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,719
commanding a crowd

2054
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:50,000
i mean that crowd can literally be two

2055
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:51,199
guards whilst your friends think around

2056
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,560
the back

2057
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,800
it's uh

2058
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:57,120
there are actually a lot more uses to to

2059
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:59,360
the idea of performance than

2060
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,520
than are like yeah inherently biased in

2061
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,920
it

2062
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,760
just just from as i said my my office

2063
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,960
day job sometimes dealing with uh

2064
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:10,159
colleagues requires a certain level of

2065
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,320
performance

2066
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:15,360
i mean anyone that's got like a a call

2067
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:17,040
center job like that is pure performance

2068
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,650
trying to sound like you're interested

2069
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,280
in this person's problems like

2070
01:14:18,650 --> 01:14:23,199
[Laughter]

2071
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,640
but also in the context of dnd like i

2072
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,960
guess it can come into all sorts of

2073
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:29,679
different ways like if you're a really

2074
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:32,719
skilled sword

2075
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:33,840
smith that's not a word is it swords

2076
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:36,719
swords

2077
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:40,800
man yeah swordsman swordsmanship smear

2078
01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:42,960
swords personally makes them smooth

2079
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,960
no

2080
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:56,560
[Laughter]

2081
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,600
but if you're really good with a sword

2082
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:10,080
fixes in post it's fine

2083
01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:12,159
[Laughter]

2084
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:14,320
then um that the performance could be

2085
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:16,640
like i put on a dazzling performance

2086
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,239
with my sword and and then your dm's

2087
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,280
like rob performance like it doesn't

2088
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,159
have to be

2089
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,840
i

2090
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:24,880
sing a song and now actually sing a song

2091
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:28,320
at the table or you know actually do a

2092
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:30,880
dance or whatever it is play the ukulele

2093
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:32,800
yeah i always try to lean on the lesser

2094
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,719
used skills more for those kind of

2095
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:37,760
situations so i think in my game one of

2096
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:40,400
my players who's a bug bear said it's a

2097
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,920
he's a big gross monster dude

2098
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,740
tries his best

2099
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,719
he wears a hood

2100
01:15:42,740 --> 01:15:49,280
[Laughter]

2101
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:51,440
he was pretending to sneak into a

2102
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:54,719
masquerade party at the front gate to

2103
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:56,560
the guard by pretending to be like uh

2104
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:58,800
the charity for buck bears against

2105
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,159
adventurers kind of thing like knock

2106
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,440
knock we're knocking on your door can

2107
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:02,560
you let's see

2108
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:04,239
we know that

2109
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,840
the owner of this mansion's like mega

2110
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:07,679
rich so we want to come and try and get

2111
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,360
some of his patronage and that was that

2112
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:11,679
was a prime example there of i think

2113
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,760
confusing sounds super modest but uh of

2114
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:15,120
using performance there is

2115
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,679
there wasn't even more rating it was

2116
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,719
professional lying as i said

2117
01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:20,080
yeah

2118
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:21,840
and of course there's always where you

2119
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,679
mix up skills with the

2120
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,120
the ability that they're not innately

2121
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:26,640
linked with so instead of performance

2122
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,719
charisma you could do performance

2123
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,679
dexterity for maybe your swordsmanship

2124
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:34,560
dancing smithery

2125
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:34,560
performance yeah

2126
01:16:35,230 --> 01:16:45,840
[Laughter]

2127
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,360
um

2128
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,960
okay so

2129
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:51,520
i don't know if anyone had any other

2130
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:53,040
kind of burning thoughts or kind of

2131
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,120
nuggets of

2132
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,920
wholesome insight

2133
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,880
that anybody had on the topic of acting

2134
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,199
within

2135
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,199
d d

2136
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:06,880
hmm

2137
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,440
well if we've we've mined your wholesome

2138
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,280
inside nuggets

2139
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:14,719
daryl any more wisdom for us i've got

2140
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,480
i've got a little one like if i if i may

2141
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:18,960
and i think it's i think it was one of

2142
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:21,120
my improv teachers who who'd said this

2143
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:23,040
and i'm apologies to whichever one it

2144
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,560
was that said it but they said like that

2145
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,600
i just think is useful like listen like

2146
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,320
a thief

2147
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,360
like listen which is something an improv

2148
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,480
you're like you're looking for the

2149
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,320
little game and you're looking for the

2150
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,679
little nuggets and stuff and i think

2151
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,280
that's something

2152
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:38,320
that's like useful also to think about

2153
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,920
in d d like listen like a thief like

2154
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,440
what what's the other character saying

2155
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:44,400
that you can kind of

2156
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:47,199
pick up on and like use or ask question

2157
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,000
about or you know develop in some way

2158
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,679
yeah

2159
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,000
that's my little nugget

2160
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:54,560
as a i encourage that but as a dm that

2161
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,560
scares me

2162
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:00,080
maybe not to your dm

2163
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:02,480
and certainly when they're not talking

2164
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,679
in character don't do that that's mean

2165
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:06,159
they'll be like well actually last

2166
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:07,600
session you said

2167
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,120
you said there were three goldfish now

2168
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:12,000
there's only two so

2169
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,960
where's the third goldfish go on dave

2170
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,239
we've got to find out what's happened to

2171
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,800
the goldfish there's a whole there's a

2172
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:19,679
whole plot about the garbage no

2173
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,400
goldfish the worm sorry

2174
01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:26,199
now that that is professional line

2175
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,199
players that's it

2176
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:31,679
uh anything else for anyone else

2177
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:33,280
go on daryl take us home

2178
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:36,640
now you're on the spot

2179
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:40,120
i am on the spot um

2180
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,120
i want to be crying

2181
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,960
emotional speech emotional speech

2182
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,440
um

2183
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:53,040
listen to what's being offered

2184
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:55,360
offer when there's opportunity to do so

2185
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:58,400
don't be afraid to take a risk be bold

2186
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,400
no choice too small

2187
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,800
and

2188
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,640
and have fun and don't be embarrassed

2189
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,199
about expressing

2190
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:10,080
something that is

2191
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:12,159
uniquely yours which everyone has um

2192
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,880
loads of people will say like oh i can't

2193
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:16,080
act i mean like it you can it's not like

2194
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,159
a chosen

2195
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:20,000
magical ability that only chose if you

2196
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:22,320
have like like all of us here in

2197
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,560
multiple roles be trained to learn how

2198
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,159
to act we had some idea of what it was

2199
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:28,640
then we paid money time and blood and

2200
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:30,960
tears to learn how to do it and it's a

2201
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:33,679
skill that we could turn on and off but

2202
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,960
everyone can do it and it's just a

2203
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:38,080
matter of

2204
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:40,560
just giving it a go and um and trust in

2205
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,800
yourself that it's fine it's safe the

2206
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:45,600
world doesn't end if you if you're not

2207
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,719
satisfied with what you bring but

2208
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,400
you go to

2209
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:50,880
play d d because you have something to

2210
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:53,440
bring and it's your chance to

2211
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,960
give it so give it

2212
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:57,120
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2213
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,640
thank you very much

2214
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,080
oh my god and one final thought if you

2215
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:03,480
sat on a table singing a song don't

2216
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,480
swing your legs

2217
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,719
if i could just add one last thing

2218
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:18,800
that even at a table where you're all

2219
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:20,639
playing a game together there might be

2220
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:24,560
some small parts

2221
01:20:20,639 --> 01:20:24,560
but there are no small roles yes

2222
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,639
that's it

2223
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:33,600
that's the one

2224
01:20:30,639 --> 01:20:35,600
you you guys are a treasure because my

2225
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:38,480
following question is is of course is

2226
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,880
there anything you would like to plug

2227
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,880
yes

2228
01:20:42,639 --> 01:20:47,760
yeah cheers

2229
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:49,679
if you've enjoyed listening to us um

2230
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,239
chat today then please do check out our

2231
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:54,239
podcast it is no small roles you can

2232
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:56,000
find us on twitter and instagram at no

2233
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:58,400
small roles you can search for us on

2234
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,679
facebook by searching no small roles you

2235
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:03,920
can search on google you'll find

2236
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:03,920
pictures of toilet roll and bread um

2237
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:08,239
no you do actually now you google us we

2238
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:10,000
do actually come up uh much sooner than

2239
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,920
we used to which is great very exciting

2240
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,520
it's a very exciting day when when

2241
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:17,360
google started showing pictures of us

2242
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,360
rather than just literally roles

2243
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:22,320
just endless bread rolls are like bread

2244
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,000
i want to know the kind of person that

2245
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:29,000
searches for small roles and why they

2246
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,000
need

2247
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:48,960
[Laughter]

2248
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,639
sorry grace you're promoting our podcast

2249
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,199
and you can basically find us on pretty

2250
01:21:50,639 --> 01:21:54,880
much every podcasting app if we're not

2251
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:56,719
on it then tell us and we'll try and

2252
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,480
make sure that we get on it and we're

2253
01:21:56,719 --> 01:21:59,840
also on spotify you can find us on

2254
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,520
youtube

2255
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,080
um we've got a website we've got a

2256
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:07,080
website now as well haven't we yeah

2257
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,080
www.nosmalrolls.com

2258
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:12,800
is that correct correct

2259
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:15,040
i think we've got a discord now as well

2260
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,760
we do have a discord uh i still don't

2261
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,760
understand it

2262
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,719
but daryl knows it

2263
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,880
i'm gonna like my discord has been

2264
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:27,120
pinging throughout this whole interview

2265
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:30,480
i'm on it all the time um yeah we have a

2266
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:34,320
discord um the link will be made um

2267
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:35,679
very shortly when it's ready lovely yeah

2268
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,280
all the links everything will be in the

2269
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:40,400
in the episode description of this so

2270
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,920
should anyone yeah i'll find it um

2271
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,560
guys thank you

2272
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:47,040
ever ever so much uh for a really super

2273
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,560
super duper awesome episode it was a

2274
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,360
hell of a lot of fun so thank you all

2275
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,960
for

2276
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,960
spending your evening with

2277
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,800
thank you

2278
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:02,480
and yeah oh that's left i don't have a

2279
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,480
catchy outro like you guys

2280
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,840
i need to hire more friends

2281
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,920
there we go

2282
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,960
uh yeah all that's left to say is thank

2283
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:18,080
you everybody for listening and uh good

2284
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:22,920
night

2285
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,920
and we'll think critically next time

2286
01:23:26,150 --> 01:23:31,300
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