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welcome thinkers to the second episode

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of season five I'm gonna do the usual

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pandering at the start of this content

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do on iTunes the mystical world of Apple

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that it is and on YouTube obviously a

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thumbs up or whatever it is you do that

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would be greatly appreciated uh the

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metrics mean an awful lot to somebody's

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focused as I am uh so anything

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helps uh really does mean a lot to me

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when I see that little number tick up so

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and it's just nice to know people are

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listening you know

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otherwise I do have a patreon and a Kofi

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both at slash thinking critically

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and uh yeah if you want to support

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monetarily as well that would be

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fantastic and greatly appreciated my

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one-man band keeps chugging along

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saying that there might be a brief lull

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in episodes as we enter the true summer

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months of July and August as that's a

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busy period of the Year for me I'm

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hoping to keep the Cadence up however no

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promises and apologies in advance

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otherwise with a the usual Preamble out

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of the way uh let's get on with the show

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today I'm joined by Sarah from the

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girls around these worlds Productions

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thank you ever so much for joining us

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today Sarah can you tell us a little bit

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about yourself absolutely yeah so my

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name is Sarah I'm here in migmagi which

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is the traditional and unseated

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territories of the migma people I'm in

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Nova Scotia Canada and I as you

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mentioned um from Girls run these worlds

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we are a ttrpg Production Studio and now

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publishing house also we've started a

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publishing group and we we help women

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and fem identifying people tell stories

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amazing Grand course to say the least

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well I couldn't think of anyone more

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suited to today's topic which is

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production so what does that word mean

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to you in the DND and wider ttrpg

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framework yeah I mean I uh have been a d

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d player I've been a ttrpg player since

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I was in my teens and I kind of left and

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came back to it at near the end of my

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30s which was only two years ago I'm not

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like ancient almost depending on if you

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ask my teenagers

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um I I came back to it and like so many

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people did over covid you know having

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covered lockdown having this time to

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stop and just kind of watch some other

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stuff that was going on I found critical

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role I'm a huge Fox mocking a fan

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campaign one was my absolute jam and I

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was like wow that's so cool that they're

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doing that that just takes so much

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effort and you must have a studio and

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professionals and professional equipment

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and then I was on a Facebook group

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um you're a d d player for the Lost

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minds of fendover dungeon Masters group

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because I love that I think that is page

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for page the best d d module that it

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exists

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um I will fight anybody that's a whole

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different podcast episode

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um and uh I was on a Facebook group and

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somebody was like Hey I'm thinking about

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doing an actual play and I was like wait

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people people can just up and do this

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um and it kind of forced me to Twitter

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uh where I found a bunch of people who

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were doing it and um I got involved with

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Vancouver By Night running d d content

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for them um obviously they're a vampire

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Channel but I do some d d content for

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them and out of that came this

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so many friendships and so many

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relationships with other women who

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weren't finding a space that was made

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for us and that's not to slander any

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other channel just that we wanted to

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carve out a space that was for our

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stories uh and stories told uniquely

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from our perspective and also like me I

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wondered how many other people

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were afraid of the production side of

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things that would have told their

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stories if they had some help doing the

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production and so I approached um three

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incredibly talented capable uh women and

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fem identifying people that I knew and

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um I said you know I don't know

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everything about production but I I can

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do some of this stuff I can do graphics

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and together we formed this group and

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that was in March of last year 2022 what

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is time and uh in the 14 months since

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the 14 or 15 months since we've just

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scheduled our 100th series or one shot

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so we have learned some things about how

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to do production well and efficiently

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and and safely and yeah that that is

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what production means to me time to

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steal some ideas then for me uh

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let me let me steal those those

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production ideas

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um to answer you one of the questions

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you return directly drop there time is

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Fast Very Fast

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honestly I feel like every year and my

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you know my mom and my grandma told me

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this would happen like every year the

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years go faster yeah this year still

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feels like like January or February I

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don't know how like happy pride month

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everybody I don't know how we're already

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in June this is wild I I hate it because

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it is so it's one of those things that

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you get told as a kid and you absolutely

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are like yeah yeah whatever but it's and

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it is so true and and I yeah it's it

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yeah I mean I'm mid mid 30s myself now

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and yeah absolutely this year is just

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like oh it's it's the middle of the year

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now and not just February December

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winter months but uh yes so so

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production then I guess a good question

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then because you mentioned it there and

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I'm gonna pick up it it's up to a

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hundredth you said one shot or Series

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right that I had one shot or Series yeah

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so we've done over the kind of winter

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holidays we did a series of one shots

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and I would say of the hundred let's say

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maybe 25 of them have been one shots the

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rest have been series what we have found

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is that particularly for twitch or

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YouTube unless you are somebody like

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critical role or high rollers God shout

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out to that amazing UK group you know

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having long form campaigns

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there's a benefit to it and that you can

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grow an audience over time

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but often you know one of the biggest

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complaints about critical role is how

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inaccessible it becomes very quickly

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because of the backlog of information

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and what I saw and what we have learned

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now is running short form series but

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having multiple seasons is a really good

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way and you know we learned a lot of

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that just looking at even the difference

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between how American TV is filmed versus

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how British TV is filmed looking at you

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know we started with kind of 10 to 12

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week long series and realized within our

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first Bunch within like our first what

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we considered our first season last

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spring that 10 to 12 weeks was too long

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for twitch to keep people engaged and

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interested and we have found that the

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sweet spot is four to six weeks per

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season like one story arc and then you

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take at least that amount of time off

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and then you can come back for as many

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other Seasons as you want and often it

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is quicker to get people back on that

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way particularly if your marketing and

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if your advertising is really enticing

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people to catch up during those breaks

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but we have really found that a sweet

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spot for twitch and for getting eyes on

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projects is about four to six weeks is

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that a weekly con oh my maybe even more

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than weekly weekly

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um yeah so we run eights we at the most

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that we can do is about 10 different

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Productions a week

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um and that would be usually we would

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see that in June for instance pride

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month we run big A1 shots and so we'll

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have like our regular ongoing series

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wherever they are we try to stagger

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everything so it's not like everything

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starts and ends in the same six week

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period and so we may have like between

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five and seven Series in any given week

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and then we'll sprinkle in some one

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shots where they appear and yeah they're

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with all different casts um I think

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that's the other thing that we've really

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found in in terms of production and um

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we always like to say we're an open book

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we gladly give away all of the Playbook

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and the the keys to Our Success because

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anybody truly can do it but one of the

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things that we've really found is

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because we schedule so much it's not

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that there's there's nine of us on the

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council who kind of like run things and

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oversee everything but we're not the

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ones often who are running the shows or

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even in the shows we're doing all of the

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back end work the logistics the

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scheduling

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um the legal the Productions the

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graphics the marketing uh the producing

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of the actual content um and then we're

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we're allowing other people to tell

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their own stories and we have found that

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yeah if we're when when we're running at

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least four things a week

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the cross-pollination between shows gets

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higher and higher the more you're

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running so somebody might show up let's

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say for a Monday night monster of the

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week game and then they find out oh

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Wednesday afternoons they're running an

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afterlife game that's that's really

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interesting or somebody might show up

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for Wednesday night d d and realize oh

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on Sunday or Saturday we've got a

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[ __ ] crab truckers one shot

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um which we just had which was amazing

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uh so much fun so you know I think that

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that also gets to our second point of we

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really want people to be able to

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experience I personally love d d I am a

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d d you know nerd and that is my game

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system but that's not everybody's and

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there is so much out there that people

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can explore and hop between systems so

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yeah lot so much learning a lot my one

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episode every two weeks now is I'm very

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like it

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fails in comparison the one thing I

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never managed to bottle is which I guess

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is maybe somewhat ironic considering my

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career as a project manager is I never

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had like any in the can I've always been

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hand to mouth I think once for maybe

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like two months I was one episode ahead

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and rested on my Laurels once and it was

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straight back to it

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yep record edit push record edit push uh

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so that that is just one thing that has

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escaped me in these years of thinking

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critically you know and we've we've

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heard I mean look you can watch any

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YouTube person or like professional

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content creator Tick Tock Creator and

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they'll tell you you batch you batch

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record everything and you release it

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over three weeks we know that that's

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um but I personally uh also cannot do

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um I'm I'm like recording and sending

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stuff out same day

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um which is you know probably why I in

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15 months have never run anything on

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this channel

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um but most of our stuff tends to be

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live it's tends to be twitch but we are

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starting to do some pre-recorded one of

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the things that we have learned

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precisely for this reason that you've

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just highlighted is we don't start

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releasing any pre-recorded content until

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it's all in the can uh because what we

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don't want is there to be like a week of

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sickness and and then that slot be empty

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because you lose I mean it's it's not a

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hidden secret you lose followers when

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they're not seeing it consistently and

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also the algorithms punish you for that

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Tick Tock YouTube I'm not I'm not sure

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how twitch's algorithm Works unless

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you're like super partner you're not

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even getting on the front page but the

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other algorithms for the other social

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medias will punish you if you're not

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consistent with your scheduling so you

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know so yeah when we're doing a YouTube

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pre-record it's all in the can before we

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schedule the first one yeah I I know and

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also don't do it

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or a horrible character florified

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it is the kind of production nerd

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equivalent of like having the same

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password for every app like yeah yeah I

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know it's not great security but that's

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also How We Roll so it's it's gonna have

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to work it's because when I started at

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the podcast in day one I was just I was

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like oh it's done I've got one go I want

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to get out there foreign

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[Laughter]

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for work

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um I work for a non-profit education

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firm

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um and you know before I go on vacation

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I have to like wrap up everything that's

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on my desk in those last couple days is

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a big rush that is true for for

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full-time content creators when they're

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like I'm gonna take December off because

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I really need to do some not for Content

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stuff I just need to live a life

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um for a little bit they also have to

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batch all that so in your case you know

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yeah if you wanted to you know take some

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time off and not miss anything then

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you've got to schedule three or four of

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these a week to pre-build that content

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that's

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you know I think we got to make things

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realistic and we got to be honest with

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people and uh yeah it's it's it's a

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challenge for all of us content creators

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for sure yes yeah indeed Indie I know

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the as I I told you in the the intro the

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Preamble prior to recording if you want

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to hear you're going to come on the show

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I'm afraid listeners um that uh

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obviously I'm I'm part of an actual play

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at the Indie podcast as well that I

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relish doing the bare minimum amount a

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turn up I perform and then I do yeah for

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that exact reason of it being my like I

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could turn my content creator brain off

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and just enjoy the the moment but I know

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the guys that I play with work very hard

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the guy takes the the photos during the

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sessions he couldn't make a session so

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he said we were ripping him because he

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messaged the group just before we sat

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down to play it he was like I need you

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to take at least seven photos but

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ideally 14 then we were like oh Lord

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you're not even here and you're sending

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us demands I was like why why this oddly

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specific number and he said

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one photo a day between yeah thing

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between content drops so at least you've

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got some socials going out once per day

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and then we all felt bad for taking the

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piss out of him because he was being

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very right there we're like yeah no

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that's that's fair yeah fair enough

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fair enough uh that and and and like the

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the mental labor to like keep all that

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in your head I think um has also been

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big learning for us is how do we

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document this and because you know

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there's there's a few of us who work

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behind the scenes on this project if one

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of us goes away on vacation or one of us

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gets sick I was out for about six weeks

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this spring I mean quite quite ill and

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there we did not we call it we now call

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it the bus Lotto redundancy of like if I

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get hit by a bus or I win Lotto and I'm

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hashtag Sarah out does everybody else

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know how to do the things that I'm doing

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does everybody know where to go to look

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to see what Communications I've had with

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sponsors or like what we've promised

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people or what other things are coming

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down the road

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um and and that documentation is a huge

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part of production so good on your mate

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for like hey I need this somebody do

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this be responsible for this good on him

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yep I think we we filled this quote

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we'll don't tell him but we did like the

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first seven photos in like the first

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seven minutes of sitting down to get

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them down there that's okay but then uh

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but then you know the more organic once

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came through the show but that so that

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you what you've just described there

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that is it like a management term of hit

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by a bus you know what do you do if an

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employee can't make it to work and

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that's something you're very familiar

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with in my professional life and

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obviously as a concern in any team

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building long-term team building

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exercise but that's for me for thinking

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critically it is it is just me so if the

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bus comes there'll be no more show

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regardless less of the nature of that

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bus but you guys have had that's I'm

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finding it hard to kind of like

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juxtapose me and and you guys because

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it's been such a stratospheric rise from

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like and and to be fair we say this a

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lot to you know we God I hate how

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pretentious it's like we Mentor other

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channels that that's pretentious as [ __ ]

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that's not reality but like we will talk

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to anybody we will openly share our

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playbooks and our documents and our you

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know process and our workflow charts

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um we we openly share this because there

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are great and safe ways to run

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Productions

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um that make everybody feel included

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that help everybody

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um and one of the things that we always

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tell people is don't judge where you are

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based on where we are because while it

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is factually correct that our very first

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stream was April 20th 2022 so from when

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we're recording this about just just

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over a year and a month ago none of the

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four of us who started the company were

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new to streaming or were new to Twitter

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or were new to ttrpgs and so because we

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all had our own communities that we

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could draw from

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that played a huge part we didn't start

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from like square one you know we don't

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know what we're doing oh it's lockdown

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let's start a podcast we started you

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know on an on another stage and I'm not

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comparing us to critical role but in

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that same way of like they also did not

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just start as a few of them playing the

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game in their house I mean I know that

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that's how their game started but they

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started streaming on Geek and Sundry

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which already was a huge presence and

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already had a marketing team and

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full-time employees behind it so I think

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you know that's that's a really

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important piece just I mean for mental

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health in general is that we're making

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very transparent the fact that you know

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we have gotten a lot of great

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opportunity opportunities but I think a

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lot of it also is just that

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it really speaks to the need for a place

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where women and fem identifying people

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can come and tell stories and and beyond

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that like multiple intersections of what

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that means so we are majority

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um by POC owned we are majority trans

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owned I'm one of the I I'm thinking I

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might be the only CIS white woman in the

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group we have some white folks we have

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some other white women

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um or fem identifying people and we have

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some other CIS you know CIS folks but

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it's a variety of voices and and from

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all over so I'm from Canada

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um we've got uh JC Darcy from the UK

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um and we have a bunch of people from

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the US I mean obviously that is a

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predominant place to to pull from

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um and so I think that the combination

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of those voices and then within that we

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also have neurodivergence we have we're

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so gay I think I think that might be the

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only 100 overlap we're we're very very

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queer

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um and you know we have chronically ill

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and disabled

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um we have all kinds of other

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intersections so when we were building a

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place for us and we were thinking about

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all of the things that happen even good

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experiences but also things that may

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have happened on other channels that

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weren't great experiences or things that

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we had heard from people that were

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terrifying experiences we were very

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purposeful about how can we do this in a

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way that isn't just like everybody else

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how are we going to do this in a way

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that makes things safe and we really you

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know listened when people were saying

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don't just say hey do you want to be in

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my show send me the date the time the

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session zero who else is in the cast I

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want to know if you're a bipoc person

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you want to know how many other bipoc

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people are in that cast if you're a

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trans person you want to know how many

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other trans people are in that cast and

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I think the other thing that we did was

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we really

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um well like Philippa who's been on your

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podcast a couple of times we've really

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taken a lot of the stigma out of the

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production we don't decide hey we want a

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vampire show

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okay actually sometimes something like

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that does happen we will say hey there's

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a new uh rule set coming out does

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anybody want to play this for us but

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it's not like we're saying okay now um

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we're gonna eeny meeny miny mo we're

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gonna pick you we have an open Creator

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pitch that is 24 7 open that's received

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um I think it last look like 200

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applications people just coming and

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pitching ideas and saying I really want

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to run thirsty sword lesbians or I

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really want to run monster of the week

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or I really want to run

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um something that's going into its third

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season with us is good society which is

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like the Jane Austen Regency ttrpg

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um but in a gender bent historical

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um like alternate historical universe

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and so we call it Regency remixed and

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it's going into its third season and the

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third season isn't even like set in like

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the Austin you know kind of Bridgeton

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um time period it's set in the feywild

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Seeley court and so you know we've made

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it we've made it open so anybody can

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approach us and say I've got this idea

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and we try to balance for people who are

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prolific DMS who absolutely know what

543
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,620
they're doing and would feel comfortable

544
00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:18,720
sitting down at any table

545
00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:20,159
um like Philippa I find it hard to

546
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,919
believe that she's ever felt nervous

547
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:24,120
before because she's so amazing and then

548
00:22:22,919 --> 00:22:25,679
we have

549
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:27,780
um we've literally just wrapped

550
00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:29,880
production on somebody who was a first

551
00:22:27,780 --> 00:22:32,460
time ever DM not just first time stream

552
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,740
DM like first time out of the day ever

553
00:22:32,460 --> 00:22:36,360
doing it and felt so comfortable after

554
00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:38,640
playing some other games with us that

555
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:41,100
they were like I think I could do why

556
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,500
not do both at the same time so you know

557
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:46,380
taking all of the back end so when

558
00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:47,460
somebody comes to us and pitches we sit

559
00:22:46,380 --> 00:22:49,799
down and we have a production meeting

560
00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:52,260
and we say okay what are we don't want

561
00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:55,200
to tell all with very few exceptions

562
00:22:52,260 --> 00:22:57,299
like pride month or you know in October

563
00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,659
will will kind of do some more scary

564
00:22:57,299 --> 00:23:03,600
stories yes yeah yeah but we try not to

565
00:23:00,659 --> 00:23:05,880
have too much overlap in what we do

566
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,520
um and so you know we want to have

567
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:11,340
um we try not to do like all D and D all

568
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,679
over the calendar and so it'll be let's

569
00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:16,020
say okay we're gonna pair up Regency

570
00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:18,059
here with

571
00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:20,100
um if this is about the feywild then

572
00:23:18,059 --> 00:23:21,960
we've got this other amazing pitch for

573
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:23,820
the feywild but let's see if they want

574
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,980
to do this in the fall and we try to

575
00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:27,960
like balance out the varying stories

576
00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:30,960
that are there and we also balance out

577
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,580
based on like follower count if if

578
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,700
somebody is big enough that they can

579
00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:37,980
kind of pitch anywhere

580
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:39,720
truthfully candidly we have found that

581
00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:41,220
sometimes our way of doing things feels

582
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,740
a little bit restricting to them they

583
00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:46,080
are used to being very independent and

584
00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:48,000
having to organize Productions

585
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,799
um and so it takes them a little bit to

586
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,840
get used to the fact that you know

587
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:54,299
players contract with us as a channel

588
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,740
they don't contract with the DM

589
00:23:54,299 --> 00:23:58,260
um everybody goes through the same

590
00:23:55,740 --> 00:24:01,500
casting process waivers have to be

591
00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:03,360
signed session zero for us is mandatory

592
00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:06,659
um if if somebody has to miss a session

593
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,820
zero they either get pulled from the

594
00:24:06,659 --> 00:24:11,820
cast or if the DM really wants them

595
00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:14,100
production gets pushed back and also

596
00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:16,860
because of our very tight schedule where

597
00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:19,679
we're overlapping things so let's say

598
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:22,919
um we have a game Valor which is set to

599
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:24,780
end this Friday uh next Friday we have

600
00:24:22,919 --> 00:24:26,400
something else already starting they've

601
00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:28,500
been in session zero and Tech rehearsal

602
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,480
for two weeks or this is their Tech

603
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:33,960
rehearsal this week they start next week

604
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:36,120
so if you've um if we've greenlit you

605
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,500
for six episodes that's it's actually

606
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:39,179
eight weeks of production because you

607
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:42,900
have a tech rehearsal in a session zero

608
00:24:39,179 --> 00:24:45,299
before your first episode and then let's

609
00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:47,820
say somebody gets sick fair enough none

610
00:24:45,299 --> 00:24:50,220
of us do this full-time it's not that

611
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:52,799
kind of a contract we really do mean it

612
00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:54,539
when we say put your health first if the

613
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,919
DM has to cancel a session because

614
00:24:54,539 --> 00:24:58,620
there's too many players missing or it's

615
00:24:55,919 --> 00:25:00,360
the DM that's sick we're not extending

616
00:24:58,620 --> 00:25:01,980
the length of that show

617
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:03,780
um so instead of six episodes they're

618
00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:06,419
going to go down to five episodes and

619
00:25:03,780 --> 00:25:09,320
will green light for another season but

620
00:25:06,419 --> 00:25:11,760
it's just something that we have found

621
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,159
the I think that's one of the biggest

622
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,620
things that we heard and that we had all

623
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:20,820
experienced is the schedule is the

624
00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:23,640
schedule I as a neurodivergent person I

625
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:26,279
really struggle to say no I'm a people

626
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:29,340
pleaser also and so I struggle to say no

627
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,720
so sometimes I've been in a cast or I've

628
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:32,820
Heard lots of stories of somebody being

629
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,500
in a cast and everybody going oh this is

630
00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:36,059
so much fun let's just keep going for

631
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:39,779
another 10 episodes

632
00:25:36,059 --> 00:25:41,520
um and you're like ah I really wanted to

633
00:25:39,779 --> 00:25:43,860
like it Friday nights was my date night

634
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,880
and it was okay for six weeks but like I

635
00:25:43,860 --> 00:25:46,320
don't know that my partner's gonna be

636
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,539
okay with that but also you don't want

637
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,159
to drag everybody else down and also

638
00:25:48,539 --> 00:25:52,799
maybe you're not having fun and you're

639
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:55,860
not loving that table it is so much

640
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:58,380
easier to just get through six weeks and

641
00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:59,700
then say oh I'm sorry my schedule won't

642
00:25:58,380 --> 00:26:01,740
allow me to come back for season two

643
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:04,320
have fun I'm gonna be cheering you guys

644
00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:06,779
on you know we encourage people to leave

645
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,640
tables mid-season if if it's not their

646
00:26:06,779 --> 00:26:11,460
table that's okay like find a table You

647
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,960
Love Don't Settle ever don't settle ever

648
00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:14,580
for a table find a table you love

649
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,860
because there are tables out there for

650
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:18,659
you but if you really are people pleaser

651
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:20,700
if you can't get over that piece you

652
00:26:18,659 --> 00:26:22,500
know it's it's only six weeks

653
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:25,140
um and yeah the schedule is the schedule

654
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,400
we don't when we

655
00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:30,000
um I feel like I've been talking for a

656
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:32,940
really long time when somebody uh gets

657
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,400
um gets cast into one of our shows we

658
00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:37,980
send them a casting notice and we say

659
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,779
okay this these are the dates and when

660
00:26:37,980 --> 00:26:41,640
we send you these are the dates we mean

661
00:26:39,779 --> 00:26:43,740
that these are the dates it will not go

662
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,200
longer than this including even like

663
00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:48,120
length of episode when we say this is a

664
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,620
three hour game you've got a call time

665
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,840
of 30 minutes before and 30 minutes

666
00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:53,279
after because you got to do Tech before

667
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,919
you know how it goes you got to do the

668
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:59,520
tech before and you got to do a wrap up

669
00:26:55,919 --> 00:27:02,100
a safety wrap up after so a three hour

670
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:06,000
twitch stream becomes a four hour call

671
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:08,400
time yep and we don't go over that the

672
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,900
show needs to end when the show says it

673
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,179
you can end early

674
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:15,059
that's not a problem but you can't go

675
00:27:12,179 --> 00:27:18,120
over and we get in touch with DMS who

676
00:27:15,059 --> 00:27:21,059
you know not not every DM has a natural

677
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:22,620
strength in time management yeah and

678
00:27:21,059 --> 00:27:24,179
particularly when your players get going

679
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:25,799
you know how it goes

680
00:27:24,179 --> 00:27:28,200
um but yeah we'll we'll follow up with

681
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:30,690
DMS and we'll be like you you gotta it's

682
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,999
your job you gotta keep a rain on this

683
00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:33,999
[Music]

684
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,680
[Music]

685
00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:46,640
you've used that's a lot of terminology

686
00:27:42,779 --> 00:27:49,620
in there that's very formal uh

687
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,179
uh so I wanted to to pick up on that

688
00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:53,159
then because obviously you said you you

689
00:27:51,179 --> 00:27:54,960
kind of you played it in the Hobby in

690
00:27:53,159 --> 00:27:56,820
the past you kind of jump back in again

691
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,100
during during covert as I'm sure a lot

692
00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:01,980
of people did yeah at some point from

693
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:05,279
then until now it's obvious that your

694
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:07,500
group have transitioned into

695
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:10,320
certainly compared to my own podcasts

696
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:12,480
that I'm a part of a much more formal uh

697
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,260
setup which is not I don't mean that in

698
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,179
a bad way oh I love new things on x-ray

699
00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:20,220
and make sure they finish I totally love

700
00:28:18,179 --> 00:28:22,260
it but I'm going to ask you a difficult

701
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:23,039
question now maybe not so difficult

702
00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:25,679
actually

703
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:28,679
um but how how do you feel that that

704
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:31,440
transition has affected your

705
00:28:28,679 --> 00:28:32,760
enjoyment of the Hobby and I'm trying to

706
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,620
put my words careful I don't want to ask

707
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,659
any leading questions but yeah let me

708
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:38,820
ask you even like a question has your

709
00:28:36,659 --> 00:28:42,779
enjoyment of the hobby been affected in

710
00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:45,919
any way from that transition from what I

711
00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:48,720
would play down at the local you know

712
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:50,880
not-for-profit board game bar with my

713
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,960
mates every every once every six months

714
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,200
because that's the only time we can get

715
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,960
together versus this very like boom boom

716
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,279
boom yeah you must do this at this time

717
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,000
which again I don't mean that in the

718
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:05,640
negative way yeah yeah I love that stuff

719
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,740
so first I should say that I don't think

720
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,460
I've ever been in anything on our

721
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:10,080
Channel

722
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:11,279
I was in two of the holiday one shots

723
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,820
because we did one that was like all

724
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:18,720
directors and then I was cast into an

725
00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:21,539
eberron one shot I do DM uh for other

726
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,419
channels I tend to run my stuff because

727
00:29:21,539 --> 00:29:27,120
because I came into this already having

728
00:29:24,419 --> 00:29:29,159
connections I don't want to take space

729
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,679
on this channel that could be used for

730
00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:36,360
somebody who doesn't quite have that yet

731
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:38,940
um and so I run a d and d game um on

732
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,799
Vancouver by night uh called fandolin by

733
00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:42,299
night it's a we started as a lost Minds

734
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,580
offend over we just finished our second

735
00:29:42,299 --> 00:29:47,159
season where they've wrapped that up and

736
00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:51,020
we're going into I think storm King's

737
00:29:47,159 --> 00:29:54,480
Thunder don't tell the cast although

738
00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:56,640
although the fandelver book is like set

739
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,679
to come out imminently and if I can get

740
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,120
my grubby little claws Dixon call me

741
00:29:58,679 --> 00:30:02,279
Dixon

742
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,620
um over at d d please please send it to

743
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:07,200
me uh if I could get my grubby claws on

744
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:08,279
fandelver and the scattered Obelisk I

745
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,559
would

746
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:12,480
highly High I'm so stoked I can't wait

747
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:15,059
to see what that looks like

748
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,059
um fandolin and like that whole the

749
00:30:15,059 --> 00:30:21,539
sword Coast is absolutely my jam and

750
00:30:18,059 --> 00:30:23,340
then I also ran an all-fem Lord of the

751
00:30:21,539 --> 00:30:28,140
Rings it was called Rangers of the north

752
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:32,240
on dmdm Studios uh for six weeks and we

753
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:35,700
used the worst system it was printed

754
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,840
alarmingly in the 2000s and it said

755
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:39,600
things like

756
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,179
um women don't know how to play ttrpg so

757
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,980
you might want to have an all-male table

758
00:30:42,179 --> 00:30:46,260
um

759
00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:49,080
there are no female dwarves and we

760
00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:50,940
picked this because we wanted to

761
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,419
highlight first off that it was within

762
00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:57,059
our lifetimes that we were excluded like

763
00:30:54,419 --> 00:31:00,120
in print from tables

764
00:30:57,059 --> 00:31:02,580
um and uh it was the thing that I had on

765
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,620
my shelf and I had forgotten how bad it

766
00:31:02,580 --> 00:31:06,659
was in the 20 years you know since I had

767
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:08,279
picked it up I bought it in 2001 when

768
00:31:06,659 --> 00:31:10,320
the Lord of the Rings movies were out

769
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:13,200
and I wanted to run Lord of the Rings

770
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:16,980
game for people who weren't super into

771
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,659
the lore it was super lower light uh and

772
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:20,240
um also to represent stories that

773
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:22,860
weren't getting told in that Universe

774
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,960
low light for Lord of the Rings is not

775
00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:26,880
saying very much at all because there's

776
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,240
so much no even lower light is still

777
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,340
more even more light really what what my

778
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:37,020
characters needed to know was

779
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:38,700
um there is a village called Brie and

780
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:40,559
um magic it's kind of a low magic

781
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,360
setting Lord of the Rings is I mean

782
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,399
despite the fact that it has this big

783
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,659
fantasy pedigree it's a low magic

784
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:48,179
setting

785
00:31:45,659 --> 00:31:49,799
um and so you know all of my players

786
00:31:48,179 --> 00:31:52,440
came in at least haven't watched the

787
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:54,000
movies and that was kind of our starting

788
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,740
point was if you would watch the movies

789
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,419
that was all the lore that you kind of

790
00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:59,700
needed to know we didn't interact with

791
00:31:57,419 --> 00:32:03,059
any of those characters yeah um in fact

792
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:05,279
you know as great players do the one

793
00:32:03,059 --> 00:32:07,200
magic Caster in the party it was a group

794
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:11,279
of like seven or eight players it was a

795
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:14,100
big group wow one magic caster and she

796
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:17,399
cast speak to animals every game session

797
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:19,980
and she just went full Druid Trope

798
00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:22,380
um and I have one accent it's French so

799
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:24,840
all animals sound French that's what you

800
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:27,899
can that is our lore for Lord yeah and

801
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:30,779
so so you asked has it has it changed my

802
00:32:27,899 --> 00:32:32,000
has it changed my enjoyment of the hobby

803
00:32:30,779 --> 00:32:36,299
um

804
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,679
no I was a theater kid before like you

805
00:32:36,299 --> 00:32:40,500
know that's kind of what got me into

806
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:43,679
ttrpgs was The Tech Guys backstairs or

807
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:46,679
backstage were playing D and D

808
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:49,559
um probably three 3.5 e yeah they were

809
00:32:46,679 --> 00:32:51,240
all math nerds love them love them to

810
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:54,720
death but they were all math nerds and

811
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,740
they loved 3.5 I think that's what it

812
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,520
was

813
00:32:55,740 --> 00:33:02,940
because you could min max yes and they

814
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:05,580
were like Sarah you're um not scary to

815
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:06,659
talk to sorry to stereotype a high

816
00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:08,880
school boys

817
00:33:06,659 --> 00:33:10,559
um it was true for them um and they were

818
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,659
like why don't you come and play D D

819
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:15,419
with us and I was like

820
00:33:12,659 --> 00:33:17,480
I don't know what that is but sure it's

821
00:33:15,419 --> 00:33:20,940
a character I'm an actor I can do that

822
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,860
and very quickly realize that what I

823
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:25,200
wanted to do was not what they were

824
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:27,059
doing and again like that goes back to

825
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,760
find a table that's for you they never

826
00:33:27,059 --> 00:33:35,279
made me feel unwelcome they

827
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:37,740
tried puzzlingly hard to be like gently

828
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:40,380
um that's cool that you want to like do

829
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:42,240
an accent and like talk to the bartender

830
00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:45,179
but that's not really how this game is

831
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,140
played um and I I often wish that I

832
00:33:45,179 --> 00:33:47,640
would have stayed in touch with them

833
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:49,740
because I wonder what they think of

834
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,179
critical parole now

835
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:52,919
I should try and find him on Facebook

836
00:33:51,179 --> 00:33:55,980
because we're old enough that all of us

837
00:33:52,919 --> 00:33:57,840
still use Facebook yeah so you know when

838
00:33:55,980 --> 00:34:00,539
I came back to it I came back to it

839
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,399
because I saw people playing in the way

840
00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:04,980
that I wanted to play and coming from

841
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:08,820
that theater perspective where I had

842
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:11,460
trained to Run Productions and I I could

843
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:13,020
act I did that for the you know for the

844
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:15,659
fall kind of

845
00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:17,399
um non-musical for the stage performance

846
00:34:15,659 --> 00:34:20,580
and then for the musicals in the spring

847
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:22,379
because nobody wants to hear me sing I

848
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:25,020
would do the backstage stuff I ran front

849
00:34:22,379 --> 00:34:27,720
of house or I was a stage manager okay a

850
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:29,580
lighting designer and so I kind of got a

851
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,899
lot of those experiences so coming to

852
00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:33,119
this

853
00:34:30,899 --> 00:34:35,879
um and then in the in between years I

854
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:37,800
was a middle school teacher uh and you

855
00:34:35,879 --> 00:34:39,960
have to be organized and you have to

856
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,159
know how to you know help people do

857
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,839
things so

858
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,580
um I kind of came to this and and

859
00:34:42,839 --> 00:34:47,460
decided that what I really wanted was to

860
00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:49,740
help other people tell stories and it's

861
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:53,099
gone so well so has it has it decreased

862
00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:56,520
my enjoyment no I would argue that it

863
00:34:53,099 --> 00:34:58,920
has even though I really only play D D

864
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,140
if I'm honest with you and we very

865
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,060
rarely stream DND

866
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:05,640
so I don't often know what's going on

867
00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:08,460
I've tried blades in the dark I can't

868
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:11,040
the DM was so good the rest of the cast

869
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:13,440
was so they were so patient and I just

870
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,820
could not wrap my head around it and and

871
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,880
so I don't often know what's going on

872
00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:19,560
but I enjoy the characterization moments

873
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,880
um I don't need to know the mechanics I

874
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,079
can enjoy the stories that are being

875
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,380
told

876
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:27,359
um so yeah I mean no it hasn't decreased

877
00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:29,400
and in fact it's it's very much

878
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:31,920
increased the fact that I feel like I'm

879
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,140
part of a community that is doing this

880
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,720
and when we get to go to conventions or

881
00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:39,440
when we get to get together

882
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:41,940
um you know getting to have that

883
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,640
experience of like meeting somebody who

884
00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:47,220
you've known online and having kind of

885
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,020
an instant kinship there there is so

886
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:51,240
very rarely do you get those feelings

887
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:53,520
reminds me the old stories of like the

888
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,500
uh the World of Warcraft guilds that you

889
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,940
know you you make friends in fact one of

890
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:59,400
my uh one of my close friends and plays

891
00:35:56,940 --> 00:36:00,359
in my game recently he's he's going to a

892
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,119
wedding

893
00:36:00,359 --> 00:36:04,200
soon and I was like oh like I think it

894
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,599
is in a different country or something

895
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,400
I'll ask you why is it over there and

896
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,720
he's oh that's where the guy's from he's

897
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,859
like I've never met him before no but

898
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,240
I'll be meeting for the first time at

899
00:36:10,859 --> 00:36:14,339
his wedding that I've been invited to

900
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,300
but and it's only we've only talked

901
00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:16,920
through like World of Warcraft and

902
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:19,560
Discord before and I was like that's

903
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,900
that is beautiful for all the ills you

904
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,460
know of the internet and works after and

905
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:24,839
everything that those kind of moments

906
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:27,480
are like that's awesome that's so

907
00:36:24,839 --> 00:36:30,359
awesome that gets to happen it's you

908
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,480
know and I and I'm so glad to hear that

909
00:36:30,359 --> 00:36:36,960
story but honestly like that is kind of

910
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,460
the story of my life so I met my husband

911
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,060
um my partner and I have been married

912
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:44,280
for 20 years and I married very young

913
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:48,000
going back to the theme of how I'm not

914
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:52,079
actually old and uh we met playing a

915
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,579
Star Trek play by post which like you

916
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:56,640
know was like an email it was a Yahoo

917
00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:59,400
group uh so the the GM of the story

918
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,619
would like pitch hey Klingons off the

919
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,960
port bow and all the rest of us would be

920
00:37:01,619 --> 00:37:05,579
like I was like the I play fluff

921
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,980
characters I'm a cleric in every

922
00:37:05,579 --> 00:37:10,200
campaign and

923
00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:11,760
um I was like oh I'm gonna I'm just

924
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,040
gonna like make sure everybody's feeling

925
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,200
okay and like I'm there to do to run the

926
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,000
B plot and like help people through the

927
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,099
emotional stuff that's going on I'm

928
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,780
there to do the characterization work

929
00:37:20,099 --> 00:37:24,480
um and let the others geek out on like

930
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:28,800
the science of the Star Trek and I was

931
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,480
playing on a ship and uh my friend was

932
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,300
playing on a ship with me and then she

933
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,400
also wrote for another ship where my

934
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:37,320
partner was and she was like I want to

935
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,800
tell my own stories I'm gonna create my

936
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,839
own ship so now ship C is in the picture

937
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,780
and she pairs me and my partner up in

938
00:37:42,839 --> 00:37:47,460
January of 2003 and says for the first

939
00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:49,079
episode I'd like you two to write

940
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:51,900
together I think that you two would be

941
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:54,599
really complementary to each other and

942
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:58,980
we were married 14 months later wow um

943
00:37:54,599 --> 00:38:01,020
and uh we had only ever wrote online uh

944
00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:03,780
he came down for

945
00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:05,520
three or four days and I we lived in

946
00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:07,859
different countries my husband's uh my

947
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,680
partner's Canadian I'm American by birth

948
00:38:07,859 --> 00:38:13,500
and he came down for a few days and then

949
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,660
I came up for a few days in the summer

950
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:17,280
um and we got engaged that week and then

951
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,420
we saw each other for two weeks at

952
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Christmas and then we were married in

953
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:24,180
February but

954
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:27,000
but the story in between was eight six

955
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:29,339
to eight to ten hours a night of I mean

956
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:33,000
this was even before zoom and Skype were

957
00:38:29,339 --> 00:38:35,880
a thing of like icq and Yahoo messenger

958
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,800
and you know um long distance so many

959
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,740
long distance calls

960
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,599
um and you know yeah it's I think the

961
00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:45,599
internet has the capability to do that

962
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:47,760
so this never scared me it wasn't like

963
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,380
it's not weird for me when I meet people

964
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,000
that I've only known online I'm like

965
00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:52,859
yeah that's how the good things in life

966
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,140
happen like naturally why would I want

967
00:38:52,859 --> 00:38:58,020
to meet anybody in my local Town that's

968
00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:59,640
not how good things happen yeah no I I

969
00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:02,099
in a lot of course I've made friends and

970
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,380
stuff before that I'd only met on um on

971
00:39:02,099 --> 00:39:05,820
on games and and whatnot and traveled

972
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:07,500
the country and whatnot but yeah that

973
00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:08,940
was a really good recent example of him

974
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:10,920
being like literally never met before

975
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:13,020
but I'm close enough to like buy a suit

976
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,940
and buy you know a plane ticket and and

977
00:39:13,020 --> 00:39:17,099
fly over to go to the wedding ceremony

978
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:18,720
not even the reception the ceremony uh I

979
00:39:17,099 --> 00:39:22,500
was like that's amazing that's awesome

980
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:23,880
that's really cool but I think just a

981
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:25,980
loop back to one thing we were talking

982
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,200
about earlier on around finding your

983
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:30,540
table and the them in Maxi side of

984
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,820
things it's kind of important tangential

985
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:34,320
to the the main topic but I'm

986
00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:36,300
exceptionally lucky I've said 100 times

987
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,339
100 times more that the two games that

988
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:40,079
I'm in are very uh very good I'm very

989
00:39:38,339 --> 00:39:43,200
happy and everyone's a very happy and so

990
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:46,619
on and so on in the in in my game I do

991
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,980
have a mix of players and I have had to

992
00:39:46,619 --> 00:39:52,220
watch a couple of them who are more

993
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:54,180
mathematically oriented after like yes

994
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:56,520
they're having like this internal

995
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:58,800
conflict of steam's coming out of their

996
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,240
ears they're like oh don't do that as

997
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,540
the other players just completely

998
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:04,680
oblivious to of course missing some some

999
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:06,540
really critical thing they could do

1000
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,480
right now or you know losing 10 points

1001
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:11,820
of damage or something but I like to

1002
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,200
think that hey well they've stuck with

1003
00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:15,060
it which is all on them of course they

1004
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,060
must be that happy to stay with it but B

1005
00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:21,300
has helped wean them off a little bit of

1006
00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:24,060
like no it's all good then like trust

1007
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:26,400
trust the process trust download it's it

1008
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:28,079
it will it will work its way out again

1009
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,359
I'll get my time I'll get my time to

1010
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:32,460
roll 20 D6 and have the load of damage

1011
00:40:30,359 --> 00:40:35,880
it'll come I just gotta I just gotta

1012
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:38,520
wait uh and so now we've kind of done

1013
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:42,180
the the forming storming and now we're

1014
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,560
into norming and Performing and uh it's

1015
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:45,660
everyone's everyone's having a word at

1016
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,520
the time but yeah I think it's it's a

1017
00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:49,980
weird way I think about it because

1018
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,960
obviously it leads to people not have a

1019
00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:53,520
great time at the table but as a you

1020
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,540
know a holistic

1021
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,640
critique of the hobby it's a boon in

1022
00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:01,680
that you can play it in so many

1023
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,820
different ways that it has so many

1024
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,960
different ways to play in so many

1025
00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:05,880
different tables and so many different

1026
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,220
types of people that you can have your

1027
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,380
crunchy like

1028
00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:13,260
I only eat bread and more and rations

1029
00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:15,960
where's the next banded Camp where's the

1030
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:18,839
next dungeon to crawl through all the

1031
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,540
way up to like I would like your finest

1032
00:41:18,839 --> 00:41:22,980
vino from the hills of these Foothills

1033
00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:27,119
over there that have only been seen

1034
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:29,400
before by the nearest absolutely and and

1035
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:32,579
you know never roll the dice in a single

1036
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,859
session and uh the benefit of a 100 plus

1037
00:41:32,579 --> 00:41:36,300
session uh long form campaign is that

1038
00:41:34,859 --> 00:41:37,619
you can have both within all those

1039
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:41,099
hundred sessions you've got a lot of

1040
00:41:37,619 --> 00:41:43,920
room to to have Whiplash from we haven't

1041
00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:47,000
rolled a dice tonight at all to oh that

1042
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,000
was four hours of combat cool

1043
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,700
I do think it's quite interesting that

1044
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:52,859
you were when you were when you were

1045
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:54,660
talking a second ago about um you always

1046
00:41:52,859 --> 00:41:55,859
say the cast even when I think you're

1047
00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:57,900
referring to times you've played in the

1048
00:41:55,859 --> 00:42:01,200
past you're like oh the cast rather than

1049
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:03,300
the players is that like a is that like

1050
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,280
you've been you're too deep now in the

1051
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:06,599
in the production of of girls around

1052
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,180
these worlds that now it's that's

1053
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:12,839
replace the words everything is the cast

1054
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:16,920
um so I also started a home game in uh

1055
00:42:12,839 --> 00:42:18,900
August of 2019 and we went online when

1056
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,180
everybody went online and you know we

1057
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:22,800
were already kind of using roll 20 and

1058
00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:25,320
DND Beyond

1059
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,880
um shout out to D Beyond who sponsored

1060
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,980
my high school or my middle school at

1061
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,280
the time Club thank you for supporting

1062
00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:33,900
teachers thank you D Beyond they um so

1063
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,240
we were already using kind of some

1064
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:38,099
online things because that was one of

1065
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,599
the things that always

1066
00:42:38,099 --> 00:42:41,579
for me has always been really

1067
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,579
challenging is build like the actual

1068
00:42:41,579 --> 00:42:47,160
like mechanics of building the character

1069
00:42:43,579 --> 00:42:50,400
having accessible tools like DND Beyond

1070
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:52,500
or I have a Fantasia which means I'm not

1071
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,680
making pictures in my mind when I'm

1072
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:58,920
reading a book there's no pictures there

1073
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,020
um and so having visual representations

1074
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,900
being able to move things even if it's

1075
00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:05,220
around a digital map makes such a

1076
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:07,680
difference for me and being able to

1077
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:09,780
access the same game that other people

1078
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,839
are playing so we were already using

1079
00:43:09,780 --> 00:43:15,000
those tools when lockdown happened and

1080
00:43:12,839 --> 00:43:17,220
and so it was very easy for us to just

1081
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,200
turn on the camera button on Roll 20 and

1082
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:21,420
you know switch to that

1083
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,540
um and and as a result our game kind of

1084
00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:27,240
grew uh we moved that summer to the West

1085
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:28,619
Coast and I didn't lose my home game

1086
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:30,960
even though they were all on the west

1087
00:43:28,619 --> 00:43:32,520
coast of Canada it changed the time for

1088
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,380
me but it didn't even change the time

1089
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,920
for them and when we played

1090
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:39,480
um and so for my my home game I don't

1091
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,619
consider them a cast they're my players

1092
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,880
when I have been in other kind of

1093
00:43:42,619 --> 00:43:46,260
non-for-content streams maybe that's

1094
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,480
what I call them I call them not for

1095
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:50,460
content content there we go yeah but you

1096
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,440
know when I've been in other stuff there

1097
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:54,780
is definitely a difference to me and

1098
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,980
also there is a difference to me and you

1099
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:57,420
know I've run some games on start

1100
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:58,859
playing games

1101
00:43:57,420 --> 00:44:01,020
um and so I've run things like as a

1102
00:43:58,859 --> 00:44:02,040
professional or as a paid DM

1103
00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:04,859
um I don't know how professional I am

1104
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:09,800
but I got paid to do it and counts

1105
00:44:04,859 --> 00:44:09,800
absolutely counts it counts that also

1106
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:18,180
to like walk away or

1107
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:20,400
any teenagers if one of my teenagers

1108
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:22,680
walks into the room when it's just

1109
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,599
Saturday night home game then it's like

1110
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,280
oh hold on guys you guys work on your

1111
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:28,319
you know battle strategy I'm gonna go

1112
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,819
help my kid my 13 year old makes and

1113
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:30,660
tortellini so that my house doesn't burn

1114
00:44:29,819 --> 00:44:32,339
down

1115
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:34,260
um and I can come back to it in 10-15

1116
00:44:32,339 --> 00:44:36,480
minutes when I'm in a paid game that is

1117
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:38,099
not true that is that is somebody paying

1118
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,740
for that time and I think that's the

1119
00:44:38,099 --> 00:44:42,780
same thing for me with the cast and it's

1120
00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:44,400
it's something that we try to be very

1121
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:46,920
explicit with that girls run these

1122
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,440
worlds is when you're in a twitch stream

1123
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:52,980
not everybody runs things this way

1124
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:55,079
but we have found success that if you

1125
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:58,140
want people to view if you want people

1126
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:59,579
to comment if you want to have that

1127
00:44:58,140 --> 00:45:00,720
interactive

1128
00:44:59,579 --> 00:45:04,140
um you know it's the difference between

1129
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:07,500
going and seeing like the Royal Theater

1130
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:10,560
and going to Christmas pantomime they

1131
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:13,319
are very different experiences and so

1132
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,420
going you know on Twitch some of our

1133
00:45:13,319 --> 00:45:17,640
performers will never interact with the

1134
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:20,280
twitch chat some of our games and

1135
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:23,460
performers love the interaction with the

1136
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:26,579
twitch chat and so but both of them have

1137
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:29,579
a common ground and that they are not

1138
00:45:26,579 --> 00:45:31,680
just for themselves they are performing

1139
00:45:29,579 --> 00:45:34,079
for others and it does

1140
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,420
they're whoever says that it doesn't

1141
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:38,339
change your performance their line their

1142
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:40,940
their line I've never met somebody who

1143
00:45:38,339 --> 00:45:43,800
the very Act of just putting an audience

1144
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:46,440
or even just recording it for later

1145
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,720
release changes

1146
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,400
some ways that you're going to do things

1147
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:53,040
and I think that that's okay it doesn't

1148
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,180
make it less authentic it doesn't make

1149
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,260
it

1150
00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:59,880
um Less Fun in fact for a lot of us

1151
00:45:58,260 --> 00:46:03,359
Adrenaline Junkies a lot of us

1152
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:07,500
extroverts but introverts too that for

1153
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:09,480
me I prefer running stuff on a stream I

1154
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:11,460
like that that interaction I like

1155
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,740
knowing that people are watching and

1156
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:15,839
paying attention and not just that my

1157
00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:17,280
cast but that other people are getting

1158
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:19,859
something out of the story that we're

1159
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,079
telling I'm a theater kid though so I

1160
00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:25,619
guess that's not not too surprising I

1161
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:28,500
mean I I do stream my home game which

1162
00:46:25,619 --> 00:46:29,760
took very little spinning up to do

1163
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:31,800
obviously I checked the players first

1164
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,000
yeah I had a huge audience or anything

1165
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,460
then they're not about to be broadcast

1166
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,920
on CNN or something so you know it's a

1167
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:39,300
relatively little ask but um in terms of

1168
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,660
like getting some overlay sorted and

1169
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:44,040
whatnot there was very little kind of

1170
00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:46,380
change they didn't know it's a huge

1171
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,660
amount of change um to our remote play

1172
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:50,819
even still there is a lot more of like

1173
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:52,140
the tech stuff as you said getting the

1174
00:46:50,819 --> 00:46:54,240
sound ready and oh someone can't be

1175
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:55,440
heard or and it matters a little more if

1176
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,660
someone's a little bit too quiet or

1177
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,000
someone's eating or something there's

1178
00:46:57,660 --> 00:47:03,480
additional niggles and whatnot and what

1179
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,160
a building too is that maybe I too enjoy

1180
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,260
it because otherwise why would I do it

1181
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,640
and why would I enjoy dealing with those

1182
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:10,859
niggles and those little extra little

1183
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,020
bits and the overhead of faffing around

1184
00:47:10,859 --> 00:47:16,140
with all the technology like there and

1185
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:17,520
there I must I must enjoy it there I

1186
00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:19,260
there's no shame in that don't don't

1187
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,140
feel any kind of way about that I think

1188
00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:24,780
you know I do know DMS who record their

1189
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:27,000
session in part maybe it's a Memory

1190
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:29,400
issue maybe it's uh like a work in

1191
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,920
processing disorder where they can't

1192
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,839
write down notes quick enough and so

1193
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,839
they record it so that they can go back

1194
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:39,480
and do their prep for the following week

1195
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:41,220
and I do think that in some ways that

1196
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,500
does kind of change the performance

1197
00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:45,839
anytime you watch yourself anytime you

1198
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:47,579
listen to something that you've done you

1199
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:49,319
are going to have have time to analyze

1200
00:47:47,579 --> 00:47:51,060
it so I think they'll probably get

1201
00:47:49,319 --> 00:47:53,300
better quicker that's untested

1202
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:56,220
scientific theory but there's my theory

1203
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:58,859
but I think

1204
00:47:56,220 --> 00:48:01,440
well one of the policies and you've so

1205
00:47:58,859 --> 00:48:04,800
rightly pointed it out here is

1206
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:07,440
if you're the person who is dming you

1207
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:11,160
should probably not be the person who is

1208
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:13,079
managing the production yeah because how

1209
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,119
many times like even even going back to

1210
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:17,760
Matt Mercer has learned this lesson of

1211
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,440
how many times did Vox Machina those

1212
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,040
very early

1213
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,780
brutal days uh where his iPad would stop

1214
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,700
playing music and they would just stop

1215
00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:29,460
and like it's not like they've gone back

1216
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:31,020
and post edited that you can watch three

1217
00:48:29,460 --> 00:48:32,640
or four minutes of Matt sitting there

1218
00:48:31,020 --> 00:48:34,319
fiddling around with his iPad and being

1219
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,480
frustrated because it wasn't coming

1220
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:39,480
through the speakers they very quickly

1221
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,400
learned like by the time um the one cast

1222
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,500
member was gone somebody else was

1223
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,819
running sound and like he was cueing it

1224
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:47,040
but somebody else was managing the

1225
00:48:44,819 --> 00:48:48,780
production and so for us we like to have

1226
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,819
player producers it helps to have

1227
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:53,040
somebody who's actually like in the zoom

1228
00:48:50,819 --> 00:48:57,420
room or in the video but it's not

1229
00:48:53,040 --> 00:49:00,720
required and we do not with

1230
00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:02,640
with pretty much I mean we never say

1231
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:05,339
that anything is an absolute rule around

1232
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,079
grtw but I think this is probably the

1233
00:49:05,339 --> 00:49:08,640
closest thing that we have

1234
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:11,520
um other than session zero is mandatory

1235
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,020
is we don't let DMS produce their own

1236
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,060
content

1237
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:18,960
um it really it would have to be like

1238
00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:21,900
the last possible outlet for something

1239
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,960
that was like high money value sponsors

1240
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:27,060
that we had to run because of a contract

1241
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,099
before we'd let that happen and probably

1242
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:32,280
I'd call in sick to work that day at my

1243
00:49:29,099 --> 00:49:34,500
production for them because it's just

1244
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,480
um you you have enough to do when you're

1245
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:37,800
dming like there's so much else that you

1246
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,720
have to be paying attention to and of

1247
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,359
course that's the day when all of your

1248
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:45,599
Tech is going to go downhill yeah uh so

1249
00:49:42,359 --> 00:49:47,339
yeah that's that's how did you find what

1250
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:50,460
was the experience for you what was the

1251
00:49:47,339 --> 00:49:52,980
learning curve for you in building out

1252
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:55,920
your first set of overlays learning are

1253
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:58,619
using like OBS or stream Labs what was

1254
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,560
that learning curve like for you firstly

1255
00:49:58,619 --> 00:50:04,260
the caveat is still very much on it and

1256
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,900
very much still learning um

1257
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:08,400
I I don't want to say it's too steep

1258
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:12,180
because I don't want to turn people off

1259
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:15,720
I like kind of tinkering and learning

1260
00:50:12,180 --> 00:50:17,700
new things so in that of like what's OBS

1261
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:20,040
in the same way that I had that with

1262
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:22,020
like Foundry that my chosen BTT I was

1263
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,060
like right let's let's kind of unbox

1264
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:25,380
this a little bit and let's kind of see

1265
00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:28,560
how it unpacks it a little bit and see

1266
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:30,720
how it works if I had infinite time I'd

1267
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,520
learned the the scripting language of

1268
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,260
Foundry and make it completely my own

1269
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,619
but that is very much not within my

1270
00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:41,280
grasp until retirement age um

1271
00:50:37,619 --> 00:50:42,420
it was a huge a huge change so it's one

1272
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,000
of those things now that had I not done

1273
00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:46,380
it I'd be sitting here now going uh you

1274
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,460
know I probably could do it and it I

1275
00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:50,220
don't see why you're making a big deal

1276
00:50:47,460 --> 00:50:52,079
out of it and I I imagine some maybe you

1277
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:53,520
know lesser experience DMS you've gone

1278
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:56,099
you can't do the production they've gone

1279
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,800
oh all right I I'd have been fine doing

1280
00:50:56,099 --> 00:50:59,880
it but absolutely no if someone now was

1281
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,680
to turn around and go down like I'd

1282
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,180
manage all your OBS and your Twitch

1283
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,940
management and the chat and everything

1284
00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:09,900
I'd be like yeah please please let me

1285
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:12,300
pay you take take my money honestly yeah

1286
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,920
yeah it's it there's absolutely no head

1287
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:15,000
and I guess tailing on what I was saying

1288
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,339
earlier on for the players it wasn't

1289
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,200
huge amounts of difference

1290
00:51:16,339 --> 00:51:20,880
it's now public so they they might you

1291
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,740
know hold themselves back uh unless

1292
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,920
they're in jokes and stuff that have no

1293
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:28,140
context outside of the five of us um but

1294
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,480
otherwise for them no but for me a good

1295
00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:31,800
anecdote I like to tell people is I feel

1296
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,740
like the podcast in itself having

1297
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,619
started without maybe proper foresight

1298
00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:40,079
is I was streaming and

1299
00:51:37,619 --> 00:51:41,400
inevitably you guess simple that comes

1300
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,920
in and it's like click this link of

1301
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,359
course to definitely have free money and

1302
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,859
I was like I literally don't know what

1303
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:49,020
to do here I know I need to get it out

1304
00:51:46,859 --> 00:51:52,740
of the chat but I don't know what to do

1305
00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:55,680
and in my defense I find the UI very

1306
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:56,940
unintuitive for 100 as the stream

1307
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,619
manager I was like these are just

1308
00:51:56,940 --> 00:52:00,059
they're just like what's the square

1309
00:51:58,619 --> 00:52:01,619
button then what's the triangle button

1310
00:52:00,059 --> 00:52:03,599
that's all that's all I've got to go on

1311
00:52:01,619 --> 00:52:05,339
there and it's not like a tool tip pops

1312
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:07,079
up to show what

1313
00:52:05,339 --> 00:52:09,059
I was like you're preaching to a choir

1314
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:11,099
oh so this is this is so I just want to

1315
00:52:09,059 --> 00:52:12,720
ban this person what do I do and I

1316
00:52:11,099 --> 00:52:14,940
either press the button or did a command

1317
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,079
that made him a mod made the bottom mod

1318
00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:18,000
and I thought well that's definitely not

1319
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,579
what should be happening here that's so

1320
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,900
I was like uh yeah and the you smell uh

1321
00:52:20,579 --> 00:52:23,760
there's smoke in the breeze and you sit

1322
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:26,660
down for campfire but just them

1323
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,160
um how to quickly

1324
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:30,540
that's I was like oh the opposite has

1325
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:34,079
happened of what I wanted to do great

1326
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:35,640
brilliant um so yes absolutely someone

1327
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:38,819
someone dealing that would have been

1328
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:42,300
much much uh greatly appreciated because

1329
00:52:38,819 --> 00:52:45,119
uh so I was like he's become a mod this

1330
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:47,640
bot has become a mod that is that's not

1331
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:50,339
right that's amazing something critical

1332
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,200
failure has occurred somewhere in this

1333
00:52:50,339 --> 00:52:54,920
well I'm rummaging around trying to find

1334
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:58,559
the correct command or buttons to do so

1335
00:52:54,920 --> 00:53:02,220
unfortunately for me none of my players

1336
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:04,619
are that familiar I know very much am

1337
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:06,720
the most familiar um

1338
00:53:04,619 --> 00:53:08,400
others don't you know they wouldn't even

1339
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:10,260
know anything's different as I said so

1340
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,000
in terms of getting them to manage a lot

1341
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:15,359
of them jump into the chat now which is

1342
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,859
nice that's amazing great step but in

1343
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:18,359
terms of like I wouldn't know if I was a

1344
00:53:16,859 --> 00:53:21,540
mod on somebody else's stream I wouldn't

1345
00:53:18,359 --> 00:53:23,819
know what to do so there was to get to

1346
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:25,920
the core of the question very much still

1347
00:53:23,819 --> 00:53:27,720
learning very much an overhead and

1348
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,579
additional overhead on the DM obviously

1349
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:33,000
when you start there's

1350
00:53:29,579 --> 00:53:35,160
you're not likely to have many bolts or

1351
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,440
frankly viewers at the start

1352
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:40,140
um that require much attention from from

1353
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,940
you other than oh hello but obviously as

1354
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:44,099
time goes on and things change and and

1355
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:45,660
things increase that does demand a

1356
00:53:44,099 --> 00:53:46,859
little bit extra and even just from like

1357
00:53:45,660 --> 00:53:48,660
the real

1358
00:53:46,859 --> 00:53:50,579
run rate like

1359
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:52,260
when I sit down before playing I could

1360
00:53:50,579 --> 00:53:54,059
go oh yeah I've got my notes ready and

1361
00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:55,800
now I'm ready to begin now I sit down

1362
00:53:54,059 --> 00:53:57,300
and I'm like oh no wait I need to make

1363
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,740
sure the tags are correct and then if

1364
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,420
you change the stream name and they need

1365
00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:01,859
to get the starting soon thing up and I

1366
00:54:00,420 --> 00:54:02,880
need to put a timer so we're only on

1367
00:54:01,859 --> 00:54:05,220
that for five minutes even just like

1368
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,319
little little tiny bits like that will

1369
00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:08,940
add into a whole greater piece of like I

1370
00:54:07,319 --> 00:54:13,500
now need to sit down 20 minutes yes

1371
00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:13,500
earlier than I normally did because yes

1372
00:54:14,819 --> 00:54:19,020
um you know I think that that's that's

1373
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,240
really interesting and again not to turn

1374
00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:24,000
anybody off because people absolutely

1375
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:25,140
can learn it I think you know um those

1376
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,020
of us who are a little bit more

1377
00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:30,180
technically inclined who enjoy the

1378
00:54:28,020 --> 00:54:33,420
challenge of learning how to do

1379
00:54:30,180 --> 00:54:36,300
technical things we'll pick it up not

1380
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:38,520
maybe not necessarily easier but won't

1381
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:40,559
be and not that we won't have as many

1382
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,640
frustrating experiences but we might be

1383
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,200
inclined to be a little bit more

1384
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,520
resilient through some of the challenges

1385
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,000
that will come up

1386
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:50,819
um I did on the other streams that I run

1387
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,339
I do produce my own but um it's too far

1388
00:54:50,819 --> 00:54:55,140
away for me to reach I got I ended up

1389
00:54:53,339 --> 00:54:57,660
having to buy myself like a 200 piece of

1390
00:54:55,140 --> 00:55:00,420
equipment called a stream deck so that I

1391
00:54:57,660 --> 00:55:02,760
could ban people from chat and switch

1392
00:55:00,420 --> 00:55:05,099
between scenes at like the push of a

1393
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,839
button but even that required quite a

1394
00:55:05,099 --> 00:55:08,760
bit of knowledge of like learning how to

1395
00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:10,920
set it all up and how do I and then like

1396
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,260
what happens if you know something

1397
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,880
changes if one of the characters gets

1398
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:17,160
knighted and now the over needs an

1399
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,619
update like all of those things kind of

1400
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,119
ahead of time and that is even when

1401
00:55:19,619 --> 00:55:22,380
everything goes smoothly

1402
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,079
um and so

1403
00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:27,119
um I'm I'm just about they finally

1404
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:29,700
convinced me to run us something finally

1405
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:32,220
on girls run these worlds and they were

1406
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:33,599
like one of my players who was like Hey

1407
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:35,940
Sarah does this mean I get to Run

1408
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:37,859
Productions and I was like snitch be

1409
00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:39,300
quiet I didn't want them to know that I

1410
00:55:37,859 --> 00:55:40,859
was going to run my own production and

1411
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:41,700
immediately the rest of my team were

1412
00:55:40,859 --> 00:55:44,339
like

1413
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:46,079
come on Sarah of course you knew that we

1414
00:55:44,339 --> 00:55:50,400
were gonna figure this out like come on

1415
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:52,140
um I think you know yeah so when and if

1416
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,760
ever possible don't run your own

1417
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:57,300
production on something that you're

1418
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,940
dming I have seen exactly one person be

1419
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:02,420
able to do it so smoothly and it was

1420
00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:05,880
like their third stream I'm so annoyed

1421
00:56:02,420 --> 00:56:07,859
how good they were to the point where

1422
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,200
like I was in chat

1423
00:56:07,859 --> 00:56:12,119
um I often will go on to Twitch and

1424
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:15,000
search by like lowest to highest viewers

1425
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:16,800
and go watch newer streams just to kind

1426
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,900
of see what they're doing and encourage

1427
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,520
them and like you know gosh it's just so

1428
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:22,260
nice when you get somebody who pops into

1429
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,540
your chat and it's like engaged and

1430
00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:26,760
cheering your players on that is just

1431
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:30,000
such a good feeling um and I found uh

1432
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:32,819
one person shout out fuska fuska DND and

1433
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,460
she was responding to me while in the

1434
00:56:32,819 --> 00:56:37,260
middle of like a monologue and I was

1435
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:38,880
like who is running your production this

1436
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:42,140
is incredible and she was like oh hi

1437
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,140
it's me the DM and I was like

1438
00:56:46,099 --> 00:56:49,200
you're free to do this now because the

1439
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,839
Supreme Court and she was like no no

1440
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:54,540
this is all live why I've never met

1441
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:56,280
anybody as talented and and like so

1442
00:56:54,540 --> 00:56:58,200
early on I was I might have been the

1443
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,780
only person in chat that night yeah so

1444
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,280
you know yeah I think I want to go back

1445
00:57:00,780 --> 00:57:04,980
to one other thing that you said though

1446
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,260
and I know it's not necessarily for when

1447
00:57:04,980 --> 00:57:08,760
you've assembled like your home friends

1448
00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:10,440
or

1449
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,400
um when you're assembling people that

1450
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,500
you already know when you're hand

1451
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,000
picking people but one of the things

1452
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:19,200
that I wanted to touch on was the

1453
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:21,540
casting process very rarely do we take a

1454
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,280
show and tell the DM

1455
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:26,220
um we want to hand pick we want to help

1456
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:28,740
you hand pick this cast and very rarely

1457
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:32,400
do we allow a DM to come to us and say

1458
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:34,920
I've already got a cast in place and

1459
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:38,819
these are the people that I want we love

1460
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:41,400
having an open casting but having

1461
00:57:38,819 --> 00:57:43,619
um in our casting form we have sections

1462
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:47,400
where the DM needs to talk about their

1463
00:57:43,619 --> 00:57:49,140
play style like for me I'm a DM who will

1464
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,180
fudge the dice

1465
00:57:49,140 --> 00:57:53,520
um not to be not to be punishment and in

1466
00:57:51,180 --> 00:57:55,740
fact like the first thing I say is I am

1467
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:58,200
a DM to tell a collaborative story with

1468
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:59,700
you I'm not your enemy I know some DMS

1469
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,380
prefer that and some tables prefer that

1470
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:03,839
that's fine play over there because

1471
00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:05,940
that's not my style yeah yeah I want to

1472
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:07,440
tell a collaborative story with you and

1473
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:09,839
that means that we can bend the rules

1474
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,819
and we can fudge the dice and you can

1475
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:14,339
start with all Max stats if you can

1476
00:58:11,819 --> 00:58:15,300
justify it in character that is my Play

1477
00:58:14,339 --> 00:58:17,579
Style

1478
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:19,200
and so we want every DM to be very

1479
00:58:17,579 --> 00:58:22,079
explicit because we're going to open

1480
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:24,960
this on to just all of Twitter to

1481
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,240
anybody can apply to this show and also

1482
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,280
what are the pop culture analogies to

1483
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,079
the show so if you're running like like

1484
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,880
a magical girl Academy it's really

1485
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:37,859
important to say this will be more like

1486
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:40,559
Studio Ghibli than unnamed big Witch uh

1487
00:58:37,859 --> 00:58:41,760
Child movie series that shall remain

1488
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:43,859
unnamed

1489
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,859
um you know so we we asked that and then

1490
00:58:43,859 --> 00:58:48,660
we also asked DMS to highlight there's

1491
00:58:46,859 --> 00:58:50,220
like a series of statements and they

1492
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:52,859
need to highlight the one that is like

1493
00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:55,740
most reasonable for them and one of them

1494
00:58:52,859 --> 00:58:57,660
is like surprises are for the are for

1495
00:58:55,740 --> 00:59:00,359
the characters not for the players I'm

1496
00:58:57,660 --> 00:59:04,440
never going to throw a surprise onto you

1497
00:59:00,359 --> 00:59:06,299
as a player or I really love seeing your

1498
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,420
face when you're dropping character

1499
00:59:06,299 --> 00:59:11,940
because you're so shocked at the turn of

1500
00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:14,460
events and both are different play

1501
00:59:11,940 --> 00:59:16,020
Styles both some people really love this

1502
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:18,500
and some people don't throw driving this

1503
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:21,420
and and so we want that but also

1504
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:23,940
something that you came to earlier which

1505
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:26,640
is especially in short form stories uh

1506
00:59:23,940 --> 00:59:30,020
we do have one forever length campaign

1507
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,020
that we run on our show

1508
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,760
as long as they keep going

1509
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:39,000
um but everything else is short short

1510
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:42,540
form story arc or one shots and we talk

1511
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:45,420
a lot about healthy meta gaming and you

1512
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:47,819
know understanding that there is some of

1513
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:49,980
our DMS love an open sandbox world and

1514
00:59:47,819 --> 00:59:52,079
we'll play an open concept World some of

1515
00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:54,000
our DMS though come to us with a pitch

1516
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:56,700
that has a beginning middle and an end

1517
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:59,160
where it's a five act pitch and they

1518
00:59:56,700 --> 01:00:01,079
want to get through the thing and so

1519
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,099
there is this amount of healthy meta

1520
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:05,339
gaming

1521
01:00:02,099 --> 01:00:08,700
even if it's an open sandbox world of is

1522
01:00:05,339 --> 01:00:10,559
this my time yes or yeah yeah do I need

1523
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:12,780
to make some space for somebody else

1524
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:15,059
yeah um and and how do we communicate

1525
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:16,740
through that and if I'm feeling like

1526
01:00:15,059 --> 01:00:19,140
somebody is

1527
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:21,000
you know needing more time or needing to

1528
01:00:19,140 --> 01:00:23,400
curb the amount of time that they're

1529
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,980
taking uh how do how do we communicate

1530
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,359
about that and so a lot of that can come

1531
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:29,640
through the casting process and the

1532
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:31,319
session zero but health healthy meta

1533
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,540
gaming there's you know for so long

1534
01:00:31,319 --> 01:00:35,579
people are like oh meta gaming and you

1535
01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:37,740
know grognards were like that's that's

1536
01:00:35,579 --> 01:00:39,119
so you can't do that I will I will kill

1537
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:40,740
your character and you'll start back at

1538
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:44,280
level one while everybody else is level

1539
01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:46,680
10 but I find that healthy meta gaming

1540
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:49,740
is just really practical for any table

1541
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:53,220
just knowing hey there there actually is

1542
01:00:49,740 --> 01:00:55,500
a plot and as a DM I know that you told

1543
01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:58,920
me you're a Homebrew player or you're a

1544
01:00:55,500 --> 01:01:01,559
Homebrew DM I this might be surprising

1545
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:04,559
to you I'm quite busy and

1546
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:06,240
um I don't really like totally coming up

1547
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:09,299
with my own stories I like riffing yeah

1548
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:12,000
but I love to use a module and so being

1549
01:01:09,299 --> 01:01:13,440
able to pull uh I call it fems of the

1550
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,599
awning portable like tales of the awning

1551
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,760
portal or lost minds of fandelver and be

1552
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:20,220
able to like Riff on that and build our

1553
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,559
own cannon into the story that exists

1554
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:25,140
but that's really critical for me and I

1555
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,660
will tell my players before a session

1556
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:31,020
like hey this week has been really hard

1557
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:32,579
and I have only prepared

1558
01:01:31,020 --> 01:01:34,260
um you know last week I gave you guys a

1559
01:01:32,579 --> 01:01:35,940
choice that you could follow this you

1560
01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:38,099
know dragon to the North or you could go

1561
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:40,140
with the red wizard to the South I

1562
01:01:38,099 --> 01:01:41,640
really only prepared for one so I'm

1563
01:01:40,140 --> 01:01:43,020
gonna need you guys to do that we can do

1564
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,579
the other one another time but I need

1565
01:01:43,020 --> 01:01:46,380
you guys to do this

1566
01:01:44,579 --> 01:01:49,440
um and and having that communication

1567
01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:51,359
also helps me feel respected and valued

1568
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,579
yeah and doesn't waste anybody's time

1569
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:57,119
because there's nothing worse than

1570
01:01:53,579 --> 01:01:59,220
sitting at a table and being like Oh the

1571
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,859
DM didn't prepare and kind of knowing

1572
01:01:59,220 --> 01:02:03,900
that you know our time is not infinite

1573
01:02:01,859 --> 01:02:05,700
um but also everybody would have just

1574
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:07,559
had more fun if the DM would have just

1575
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:09,599
said hey this is the path that we're

1576
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:11,520
taking yeah you know yeah or or don't

1577
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,780
give them a choice there's a door to the

1578
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,339
left and a door to the right I've only

1579
01:02:12,780 --> 01:02:15,960
prepared one door it doesn't matter

1580
01:02:14,339 --> 01:02:18,180
which one you're going into it's going

1581
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,099
to be the same room yes yeah that that

1582
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:22,079
idea you call it healthy meta gaming

1583
01:02:20,099 --> 01:02:23,940
which is oddly that I've never heard it

1584
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,380
defined in that way before but it's

1585
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:27,420
something we've talked about on the show

1586
01:02:25,380 --> 01:02:29,220
pretty much since day one and I also

1587
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:30,900
feel very very strongly about and I

1588
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:32,579
probably think it's probably like you

1589
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:34,619
can have as much discourse as you want

1590
01:02:32,579 --> 01:02:38,280
around like how to build characters or

1591
01:02:34,619 --> 01:02:40,079
should we fudge dice or Quantum ogre as

1592
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,420
the example you just given but I think

1593
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:45,000
the hardest skill to learn and to really

1594
01:02:42,420 --> 01:02:48,599
get the appreciation of is that positive

1595
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:51,240
meta gaming that of like that character

1596
01:02:48,599 --> 01:02:53,700
is having its moment I don't need to

1597
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,319
have a word here or yes I might be the

1598
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:56,940
wizard and can trivialize the solution

1599
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in an instant with a knight to level

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spell but you know what I'm gonna let

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the Barbarian Smash down the door just

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because it's he's a player too and wants

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to actually do something that is very

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difficult to really get down to it to a

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a I don't think you ever you ever stop

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learning and it's probably one of the

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most beneficial skills a player and a DM

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can have and you know for the DM's

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perspective it it kind of is opposite

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it's okay that characters had quite a

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lot now let me try and reframe the the

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lighting somewhere else is the same

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skill just absolutely you come in it

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from the other direction but um that is

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yeah something that I like to think that

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01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:39,480
I'm kind of getting there now with and

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I use the wizard example because my main

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character happens to be a wizard and

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finds themselves in those situations

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quite often

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I mean if it leads to a laugh then he's

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going to do it but otherwise it's

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inappropriate of course I'm not I'm not

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pulling the the emotional rug out from

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anybody but um yeah that is a huge part

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01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,059
I think of the game well and I think

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like those stories though those story

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beats where you're like ah

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01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:07,140
the best joke to unleash but the other

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01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,520
person is so into it that like oh

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01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:12,299
Shooters are streaming down their face

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01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:15,359
like but also that story beat doesn't

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01:04:12,299 --> 01:04:17,460
have to be lost particularly if you are

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01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:19,579
recording the session

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01:04:17,460 --> 01:04:22,559
um we live in a world of technology

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01:04:19,579 --> 01:04:25,440
where you can literally just upload a

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01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:28,140
tick tock where you gr you slice in like

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01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:30,599
what's going on and then you Stitch it

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01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:33,119
and you do what your character was going

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01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:35,760
to do that we can live in a place where

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01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:38,339
you know all of these cameras actually

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01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,280
can exist in the same time and my

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01:04:38,339 --> 01:04:43,319
fandolin players they go full like body

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01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,780
paint I have a purple tiefling an orange

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01:04:43,319 --> 01:04:48,059
tiefling and a green half work and they

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01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:50,400
like full costume full body paint

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01:04:48,059 --> 01:04:52,319
um hands and everything and it takes

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,880
them two hours we we play two-hour

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01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:56,040
sessions it takes them two hours to get

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01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:58,319
into makeup they will stay in costume

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01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,000
for another four hours and batch film a

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01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:01,859
bunch of tick tocks yeah

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,099
um and and release those and I told them

1654
01:05:01,859 --> 01:05:06,720
like do a character diary when we're in

1655
01:05:05,099 --> 01:05:09,059
something and you're like ah this would

1656
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,160
be so cool or I really wish or later

1657
01:05:09,059 --> 01:05:12,119
your thinking hey oh man it would have

1658
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,599
been so cool if I would have done this

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01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:17,579
do it in a tick tock the story can be

1660
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,680
told we're not losing those story beats

1661
01:05:17,579 --> 01:05:22,380
we live in this world and I think that

1662
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,960
was a real revelation of like you don't

1663
01:05:22,380 --> 01:05:27,660
have to lose this story there are other

1664
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:30,540
ways it might just not be in this moment

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01:05:27,660 --> 01:05:32,099
on this stream but the story isn't gone

1666
01:05:30,540 --> 01:05:33,960
and I think that that's a really

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01:05:32,099 --> 01:05:36,420
exciting precipice of where the

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01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:39,180
technology is about to take us well what

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01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:42,480
a fantastic potentially closing sentence

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01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:45,299
uh we could talk about this for forever

1671
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:47,819
it feels like but uh rapidly eyeing the

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01:05:45,299 --> 01:05:50,760
clock as it as it takes ever higher oh

1673
01:05:47,819 --> 01:05:53,299
to perfectly dovetail the episode time

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,400
is fast as we said at the beginning

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01:05:53,299 --> 01:05:58,079
so good so good

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01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,280
um but is there anything you want to

1677
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,020
talk about that we might have missed or

1678
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,040
we didn't get to yet I gotta give you

1679
01:06:01,020 --> 01:06:04,559
the opportunity

1680
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,780
oh my gosh we talked about so much uh

1681
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:09,059
yeah no please um check out girls run

1682
01:06:06,780 --> 01:06:09,960
these worlds it's at girls run worlds on

1683
01:06:09,059 --> 01:06:12,420
Twitter

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:15,119
um and where girls run these worlds on

1685
01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:17,240
Twitch and on YouTube and I think kind

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01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:20,579
of everywhere else and come and support

1687
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:23,040
support people's telling stories that

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01:06:20,579 --> 01:06:26,760
you might not you know tell yourself

1689
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:28,680
amazing yes as uh as usual all the links

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01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,900
will be in the episode description so

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01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,579
please do go and check them out along

1692
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:35,400
with other things we've mentioned along

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01:06:32,579 --> 01:06:37,079
the way otherwise the only thing I have

1694
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,539
to say is thank you ever so much for for

1695
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:43,260
joining us today Sarah thank you so much

1696
01:06:39,539 --> 01:06:45,960
for having me this was I I requested to

1697
01:06:43,260 --> 01:06:47,280
be on the show like so long ago yeah and

1698
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,960
rightfully I would not have had anything

1699
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:52,319
to really talk about this is so much

1700
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,539
better I'm so glad that's good I'm sorry

1701
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:55,520
but then also now not sorry so don't be

1702
01:06:54,539 --> 01:06:57,839
sorry

1703
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,160
I'm glad that we made it happen so thank

1704
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:01,380
you again for coming off the show thank

1705
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:04,140
you to everyone at home for listening

1706
01:07:01,380 --> 01:07:05,880
and that's it we're at the end so yeah

1707
01:07:04,140 --> 01:07:08,460
I'll let you say I'll let you say uh

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01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:11,700
goodbye thanks everybody thank you for

1709
01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:13,440
uh for for watching listening uh both

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01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:15,539
for participating

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01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,940
um hit the bell I don't know what this

1712
01:07:15,539 --> 01:07:20,280
is going out on do the things and

1713
01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:22,260
support this creator also I I never do

1714
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,920
that so thank you for driving people to

1715
01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:24,920
do that because I never I

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01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:30,079
hit your buttons throw your phone on the

1717
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:32,579
floor do whatever it takes

1718
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:35,460
uh yes of course thank you everyone for

1719
01:07:32,579 --> 01:07:37,200
listening and good night

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01:07:35,460 --> 01:07:39,420
and now it's time for the patreon shout

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01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:42,059
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threads on the really nitty-gritty of

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out there in the world trying to make

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you laugh let's go and check him out at

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show and one of my table mates Matthew

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