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welcome back thinkers to season 4

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episode 17 of thinking critically I

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people had a fantastic holiday New

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Year's period with all your loved ones

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and we are

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starting 2023 with a hugely

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controversial episode on the ogl now I

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recorded this with the guest uh on

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Saturday the 7th of January so at that

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point it was all very much up in the air

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and the other thing is that we decided

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on that topic literally three minutes

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before I hit the record button so we we

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had had another Topic in mind shipwrecks

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which will be the topic of a future

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episode and we we drop in at least a reg

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in the middle of this episode as well

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around that but um yes we literally

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decided three minutes before waiting

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recording let's talk about the ogl so

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caveats up front I know not of what I

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speak

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and uh yeah there are a couple of uh

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poor takes on my part in there one one

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particularly awkward one around uh the

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Apple App Store which was was quite

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naive so since then I've done a little

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bit of self-education and have changed

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my view on that I'll leave a comment in

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the episode description around What

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specifically but otherwise please do

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listen to this episode through that

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filter of we're recording as I said on

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the 7th of Jan at a time when everything

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was very much up in the air and yeah

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there was a lot of unknowns as they're

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still probably is at the time of this

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episode drops so please do bear that in

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mind as we go in to talk about the new

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ogl 1.1 if you're not familiar with the

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ogl what it stands for what it means

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what's the impact that was into the

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coaster suggesting it might have please

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do check out the Gizmodo Link in the

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episode description now for a bit of

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homework before you start listening

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otherwise it's not going to mean a huge

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amount to you

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and the only other piece of information

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is on Sunday the 15th of January I will

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be playing in a game with the dungeons

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Dyson dudes guys and we'll be streaming

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uh for the first time since

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we were all stuck at home doing it

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remote so

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if you want to see me as a player

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completely kicking back and not having

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to worry about dming then tune in to

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twitch.tv

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ddnd pod that's Delta Delta November

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Delta Papa Oscar Delta only letters this

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Sunday the 15th at about 8 P.M UK time

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GMT otherwise welcome back and uh yeah

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let's Dive In

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and today I'm joined once again by Matty

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P welcome back to the show me how are

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you doing hey man good how are you good

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good we are recording this thanks for

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the time difference one bright-eyed and

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bushy-tailed or perhaps not now we're on

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video for me and then burning the

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midnight oil for for Matty P so yes I'm

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good I've had my coffee I've had my

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granola I'm I'm good to go are you good

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are you good yeah man I'm high energy I

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I just found down the supermarket yeah

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every now and then you find one of those

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things at supermarket we're like this is

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definitely bad but I'm gonna I'm gonna

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spend my money on it please because it

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was a like a boba bubble tea oh ice

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cream lovely yep okay and so it's like a

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brown sugar thing and but when you like

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it's ice cream and it's brown sugar kind

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of burnt flavor and as you get into it

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it's got like bits of jelly in it for

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like the butterballs man I'm pinging off

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the walls out here I'm full of sugar it

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was so good you say like oh every now

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and again you buy something bad to you

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at the the grocery shop that's like half

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of my trolley is isn't bad stuff that

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shouldn't be in there yeah man that's

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what the um that's what the Asian

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grocery is for because they've got stuff

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where you can't read the label and you

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go like I hope this one's food

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we do we do love the Asian supermarket

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where we go and and we do have we've got

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uh loads of boba mixes and we did have

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ice cream and mochi and all sorts so

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yeah you're preaching to the converted

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very much so yeah yeah I love it yeah so

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I've done my I've done my my coffee

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ritual with my bla of Grandma's beans

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summer now I'm reading a little bit too

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much about myself about my my snobbish

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coffee Antics but

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um so yeah I'm ready to go uh we of

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recorded way back I'm not going to have

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it I am going to have a date for you all

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um let me look here can I guess it was

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oh September September in

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2021. okay you got the year correct uh

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but the episode dropped in July the End

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of Time wow so quite only only about

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four weeks out I'll give you uh the 30th

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of July 2021 uh offer pressure

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uh and having a look yeah so we talked a

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little bit about narrative pressure and

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then a lot about probably how we've put

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ourselves Under Pressure both in the DMC

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and also creatively I imagine so yeah go

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and go and check out that one uh from

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goddess 2023 Now isn't it um so

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don't don't say the belly it's good I'm

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so I'm so stoked about just like new

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year I liked it starts with the three

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threes like a cool number yeah number I

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don't know why it's just kind of like at

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some point when you're a kid you pick a

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favorite number

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too many twos in last year's year two

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two minutes so yeah didn't enjoy it but

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the thing is we're not here to talk

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about something good we're here to

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actually talk about the bad we're going

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to look in to the dark side of current

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happenings this is uh this is a last

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minute topic

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breaking news

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so telling everybody that's why I've

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been stalling for the last three minutes

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indeed so uh and a rare ton of events we

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have been blessed I suppose with a very

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hot topic recently over the past week or

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around the

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let me let me get my legalese correct

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the the alleged

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ly leaked quote unquote documents for

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the new ogl 1.1 is that correct it is it

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is ogl 1.1 yes right okay right so that

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is what we're going to talk about today

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uh and the what that means the impact it

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had already and the impact it is alleged

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to potentially have in the future should

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it come to fruition

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um Dan let me just jump in here and say

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that I am a lawyer and this is legal

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advice

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I'm about to say should absolutely be

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um look here's the thing I don't think

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either of us are like qualified beyond

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the fact that it impacts us

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um it impacts me directly because I am a

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publisher of Duncan dragons content

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and I am also financially dependent on

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it I work five days a week on d d stuff

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and then two days a week in the office

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of my day job and the changes that are

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coming are going to be

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wild for me like what's hey Dad what's

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what's your skin in the game like how do

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you feel that this might affect you okay

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I wanna the the main thing I want to

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communicate first is that the thing that

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really sold it to me was that that one

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you just mentioned the one point zero a

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is as in the current one was 900 words

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the new one is 9 000 words that that was

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the real thing that communicated to me

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like oh this is serious business now

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this isn't just like

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some document this is now like they've

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got the lawyers in yeah you know when I

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heard that and I'm still not 100 sure

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because the new the 1.1 ogl we don't

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actually have it it has just been bits

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and pieces drip thread bed through the

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media through leaks

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um and different sources have different

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amounts of information even though the

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information like it is consistent

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between different media outlets and what

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I heard there's over 9 000 words in the

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ogl I actually thought that person was

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doing a meme and it's only now that

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you're saying it but I'm going oh wait

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yeah yes yeah that possessed so I

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understand I'll say over 9001 just to

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distance myself from the meme and make

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it you know legit uh you don't have the

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Dragon Ball Z ogl you're gonna get sued

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my friend yeah yeah

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you only get two litigation uh cases

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against you just the one that's fine

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thank you uh

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um so to answer your question the main

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way as far as I see it and understand it

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again consider me woefully naive in in

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all facets of life I I had and have been

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in a long-term way writing some some of

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my modules that I've played in my my DND

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5e campaign with the ideal my my lofty

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ideal one day of saying hey my players

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really enjoyed this I only enjoyed

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running it I think other people will

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enjoy it let me put it out there coming

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from zero I wouldn't have expected to

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monetize those however I understand one

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element of the potential new 1.1 is that

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anything that is ostensibly d d they can

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they can just co-opt it as their own

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their own IP essentially yeah yeah and

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it's um It's tricky because uh even

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though there have been noises about oh

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there might be a separate license for

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people that are making stuff for free to

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distributions for Community Access and

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there's a different license for people

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that are trying to profit off something

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the leaks are seem to make it seem that

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like it's a bit muddy here like maybe

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maybe they are the same you know maybe

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they've both been treated the same way

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um I was watching a video by Trent Monk

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and his analysis he was saying from the

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sources he'd pulled that it seems like

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even if it is free content Wizards can't

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claim it now what I looked at the the

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language from the Gizmodo article and

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something else that I read it said that

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you still retain the ownership and the

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copyright but okay you are granting

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Wizards of the Coast a license to do

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pretty much everything an owner can do

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including reselling that license to

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other people the only thing that they

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couldn't do with their power of the

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license as far as I understand is

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provoke your ownership you know what I

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mean yeah it's not like a tug of war

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where they can win but um

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that is that is kind of scary

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um I I was talking to someone in my uh

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my twitch chat just today and they were

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saying oh can they claim characters

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uh I'm like oh what do you mean he goes

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oh like if I have my own personal

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characters my NPCs and my my PCS in my

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document like if I've published

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something like uh Big George's guide to

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punching bears and it's a whole

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supplement about bear punching and the

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rules for it the top of the backing of

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my personal OC player character big

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George

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do it in one year there's going to be a

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big George movie it's going to be played

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by Chris Pine

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they're going to make me pay to get in

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yeah the ultimate insult yeah

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uh yeah yeah absolutely and that's

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that's what I was getting that's one of

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the reasons why I was originally more

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than happy to be like yeah let me put up

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there free

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DND 5e get you know as I said my players

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really enjoyed it well my goal is to

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have other people have that same

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experience so that's that's fine but now

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I'd be like well

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yes I'm doing it for free but also I'm

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one of the proud and prideful of my own

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work and if I suddenly wake up next

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month and they're releasing another new

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adventure book and oh look there's a

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there's a module in there that's

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exceptionally similar to the one that I

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wrote I'm gonna be like oh man come on

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I kind of don't want that to happen uh

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so that that has

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for me so the biggest thing off you know

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after my head it has been that like oh I

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guess that's a bit of a shame now

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because I'm that was like a cool

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creative output for me and now it's not

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maybe because no one will see it um yeah

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so that is tricky I I do think that um

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so at the moment the way the license

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works on dungeon Masters Guild with the

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coast Marketplace for selling this kind

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of stuff the license that you agree to

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on that platform uh in exchange for you

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being able to use pretty much anything

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you want like a broad menu of licensed

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content like they're um their Forgotten

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Realms lore and rules and stuff and

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talking about it and just going to town

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home brewing the way you'd want to you

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are giving up your publishing rights to

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to them but in that case I think the

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license says that they own it

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um like this was the same reason why

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when Matt Mercer made the um the Blood

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Hunter maybe or maybe the Gunslinger one

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of his original classes and he published

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it on DM's Guild when they came round

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critical role to publishing their own

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book with their own characters they

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couldn't use that stuff that they put on

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DM's Guild because now DM skilled owned

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it they had the exclusive publishing

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rights

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um so the way that's going to work in

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the newogl allegedly is different

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because you would still have publishing

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rights to publish it it wouldn't be like

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you're giving them exclusive rights to

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it okay but but there are a bunch of

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other concerns as well there's a bunch

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of other real wacky stuff the real scary

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thing for me is that it's amendable

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so when you agree to the ogl it seems

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like you are agreeing to

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like future versions of the ogl and they

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could change the terms It's Tricky and I

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I can't imagine like tethering part of

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my livelihood

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to something that was by definition like

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quicksand you know what I mean amorphous

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abstract yeah yeah we a a a legitimate

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recent example of something similar was

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that for my place of work we were

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signing a a contract to be a reseller

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for some um let me keep it all nice and

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generic a business instant messaging

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application that businesses can use to

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instant message their their customers

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like people like us

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um and it's a big platform uh and part

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of that agreement was basically like

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we reserve the right to irrevocably

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change and you know if we say you have

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to stop selling it then you have to stop

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selling it and if you we say you've got

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to stop providing that service to your

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customers then you have to stop

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providing that service to your customers

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our finance director looked through the

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contract and was like whoa there's a lot

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of red flags in here why am I being told

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to sign this like today because same

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with people being sales people yeah I'll

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sell and he's like no no pump the brakes

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I need to properly read this and take a

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look and make sure we're comfortable

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with potentially pulling the rug out

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from our customers because this now

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affects us and it's it's that very

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similar kind of like whoa hang on what

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is going on

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um yeah so that's not a

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a comfortable place I imagine for most

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people to sit is is that am I am I

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standing on this rug that someone's

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already holding on to the corners of her

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yeah yeah and like there are a few

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things that I'm like if it's 9 000 words

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and you know it's only been a small

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percentage of it that's leaked and it's

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people speculating on those

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of the ones that have been leaked the

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things that I'm worried about changing

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I'd be scared of the idea that if I'd

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signed the license and I was using it I

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was playing ball

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if they decided to take away that

401
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license that would be scary but I'm also

402
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scared about some of the way the

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finances and royalty stuff works it's

404
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like when I talk about this on Twitter I

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I get slammed by people saying oh Matt

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don't you know that you only have to

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report your income if you're making more

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than fifty thousand dollars from the the

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open gaming license and you only have to

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pay royalties if you're making 750

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000 but

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when I think about like why would you

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have to report your income

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if you were making over 50 Grand right

415
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it's because they're trying to work out

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how much lower they can make that

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threshold of having like when you start

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paying royalties and what they're going

419
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to end up with is a bunch of data that

420
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will inform them on how to use this dial

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to turn it to make the optimal amount of

422
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money they're going to min max us

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yeah squeeze the lemon to everything

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yeah absolutely and so so I don't know

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what that will feel like and when we're

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not going to know what that will feel

427
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like until they get their data and

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people start engaging with this

429
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and

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um and they twist the dial but I just

431
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want to add something here because I've

432
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been telling my audience this on Twitch

433
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um a lot of content creators like you

434
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and me Dan we're gonna run around saying

435
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the sky's falling It's like because for

436
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us people that are publishing content or

437
00:17:47,820 --> 00:17:51,720
want to publish content and you know

438
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have an eye to try and make like a

439
00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,100
lifestyle and business out of this stuff

440
00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:57,360
it's bad it is catastrophic for us but

441
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if you're just out there and you're a

442
00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:02,700
fan of DnD it is not catastrophic for

443
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you you know what I mean so even though

444
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all the content creators who essentially

445
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are the media are going to be saying

446
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everything's ruined for you personally

447
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things might not be ruined it will just

448
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probably mean you will have less

449
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third-party content and also whenever

450
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you mention that you play D D there

451
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might be someone that goes really why

452
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have you tried the new raft finder

453
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Dude where's my raft

454
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that that yeah so I'm maybe I'm cynical

455
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in my my old age or you're crushed by

456
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capitalism so much but as as you know

457
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we've talked about like if you are in

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those creative circles you often hear

459
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that like the sky is falling as you said

460
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but I am you're very much like yeah like

461
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you've just described basically yes and

462
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know but for the millions and millions

463
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and millions of people out there who

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if you said to them ogl even if you said

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to them like a D and D they'd go I don't

466
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know what that is yeah there's still

467
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millions and millions of people out

468
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there that are completely

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essentially unaffected like they just

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turn up every other week to their

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friendly local gaming store somebody

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runs a game for them and they go home

473
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and that's that's it they're there like

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that's fine they wouldn't they go go to

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sleep one day wake up the next day yeah

476
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nothing has changed but but can you

477
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imagine the moment where someone goes to

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play their adventurously game it's great

479
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they've got a level three Ranger Rangers

480
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is the best class they reckon and they

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go into the game they start playing the

482
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dungeon masks like okay you start the

483
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town and then bam Chris Perkins kicks

484
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open the door with a bad flash that he's

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got a gun he grabs the DM and drags him

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away and then he says you guys didn't

487
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see anything

488
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rgl business get out of here

489
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official ogl business

490
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that's just the chair knocked over an

491
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awkward silence it descends across the

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room and that's the moment that Ranger

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steps up to become the dungeon master

494
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that we got man I just it sounds the

495
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reason I wish I was good at like drawing

496
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because then I could do a webcomic and

497
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then

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that would be a funny uh one to do

499
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kicking down the door it is it is really

500
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worrying there's there's one other thing

501
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that's super worrying as well we've

502
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already got no GL right we're all

503
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publishing under it at the moment and it

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is

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it's been around for 20 years uh

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according to all of the videos that I've

507
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watched because I've just been Doom

508
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scrolling for like the last you know

509
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four or five hours that's the only

510
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reason I know anything so I forget

511
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anything wrong blame YouTube

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um but for like 20 years we've had this

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ogl and it has been thought to have been

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irrevocable because it says we Grant you

515
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this license for authorized works as

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long as like in perpetuity meaning

517
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forever and the contentious part that

518
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all these lawyers are arguing about is

519
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when it says in perpetuity does that

520
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mean that it's the license is revocable

521
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or is the license irrevocable and you

522
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can find any commentator online that

523
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will tell you either it is revocable or

524
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it is irrevocable but in the sky's

525
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falling version we're going okay they're

526
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going to take away our ability to use

527
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the old license which we're currently

528
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publishing under and say the only

529
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license that's valid now is now 1.1 and

530
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there are so many things down that are

531
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published under that original license

532
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not just my stuff not just your

533
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prospective stuff not just like your

534
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Chris Perkins webcomic it's a fun

535
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Pathfinder uses the ogl okay there's the

536
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Dark Souls 5e supplement uses cogl

537
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there's the Lord of the Rings 5e

538
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supplement that uses the ogl and I heard

539
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my friend Anto from Icarus games he's

540
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dooming Gloom about it he's from Wales

541
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so that makes sense

542
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um he said that if Wizards of the Coast

543
00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:05,940
have the right to publish content using

544
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,039
the stuff that you publish using their

545
00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:12,000
1.1 ogl

546
00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:14,700
if a company like the that that has the

547
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,159
license to the the Tolkien stuff and is

548
00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:18,960
using the ogl if they accept the terms

549
00:22:17,159 --> 00:22:21,120
of the 1.1 does that mean that with the

550
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,059
coast can now start doing Middle Earth

551
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:26,520
stuff and like that sounds wacky so

552
00:22:24,059 --> 00:22:27,960
probably not but

553
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,120
I don't know I guess that's just a

554
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,240
testament to how imprecise of a picture

555
00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:36,780
we have at the moment yes yeah and I I'm

556
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,940
always reticent to to come and too much

557
00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:40,980
on these kind of amorphous ever-changing

558
00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:42,659
things but I think in this instance

559
00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:45,000
there is enough

560
00:22:42,659 --> 00:22:47,340
eyes on it those who obviously more

561
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,559
knowledgeable than the newer eye uh on

562
00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:51,840
on the kind of uh legal leads that's

563
00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:54,179
used in these kind of things that it

564
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,480
warrants these these kind of discussions

565
00:22:54,179 --> 00:22:58,860
and I did see on on I was going to say

566
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,299
any scrolling at the moment is Doom

567
00:22:58,860 --> 00:23:01,679
scrolling regarding this stuff so like

568
00:23:00,299 --> 00:23:02,640
you can't don't feel bad about it

569
00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:04,679
because you go anywhere at the moment

570
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,440
and then it's there but somebody I think

571
00:23:04,679 --> 00:23:09,600
Ginny D she tweeted something that was

572
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,159
like talking about it as we are and

573
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,960
somebody said oh perhaps you'll go and

574
00:23:11,159 --> 00:23:14,700
enjoy Pathfinder now and she replied

575
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,520
with like you know what Pathfinder uses

576
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:19,080
right yeah

577
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,480
and I was like oh yeah that's

578
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,900
yeah that's again a bigger impact than I

579
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,059
was uh perhaps anticipating it's it's

580
00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:28,080
far it's far-reaching I did see a

581
00:23:27,059 --> 00:23:29,820
commentator

582
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,980
I can't remember her name I hadn't seen

583
00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:34,799
before she had a great video but her

584
00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:38,520
perspective was that there are a lot of

585
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:40,320
books and products that use the ogl just

586
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,559
slap it in the back of their book as

587
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,659
kind of like a a Fail-Safe or like the

588
00:23:43,559 --> 00:23:48,240
courtesy even if they might not

589
00:23:45,659 --> 00:23:50,460
necessarily not have needed to because

590
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,799
part of the promises are it was like Hey

591
00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:54,720
if you put this on your stuff we're not

592
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,220
going to sue you okay don't worry this

593
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,080
is your protection against us we're

594
00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:59,880
never going to ask anything of you we're

595
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,760
not going to see you and now it seems

596
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,820
like oh

597
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:08,220
oh SpaghettiOs

598
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:11,000
I I'd I would hate to be in that

599
00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:12,960
position if it is retro retroactively

600
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,280
anything that goes back and changes

601
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,320
stuff that's already happened annoys me

602
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,240
to begin with because it's like

603
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,679
that stuff's happened his water under

604
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,840
the bridge so I hate him in the vision

605
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:23,760
to have an exhaustive backlog of

606
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,860
Adventures published and then be like oh

607
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,820
do I have to go and take them all down

608
00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:33,559
now is that something that has to yeah

609
00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:33,559
well I hate to be you then

610
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:39,059
um yeah because of that like

611
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:43,500
one thing that irks me and I know again

612
00:24:39,059 --> 00:24:47,179
this is me being naive but for for end

613
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:49,919
users for end customers things should be

614
00:24:47,179 --> 00:24:53,400
relatively intuitive and relatively easy

615
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:54,960
I get annoyed whenever in any part of my

616
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,280
life when things are harder than they

617
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,200
should be like buying insurance and

618
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,400
stuff like that when you have to do

619
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,659
complicated things or jump through

620
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,220
complicated Loops I'm like this should

621
00:25:00,659 --> 00:25:04,620
this shouldn't be like this this should

622
00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:08,159
just be easy for me like the business is

623
00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:12,179
here for me so I I'd hate I hate now to

624
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:15,419
have to be like oh I have to get like an

625
00:25:12,179 --> 00:25:16,919
a level a GCSE in in law to be able to

626
00:25:15,419 --> 00:25:20,220
understand whether I can make my stupid

627
00:25:16,919 --> 00:25:23,220
goofy bear punching thing now like

628
00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:26,100
that's just not easy it should be

629
00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:28,020
yes I understand there's licenses and

630
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:29,340
copyrights I'm not that dumb I

631
00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:30,240
understand there needs to be some level

632
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:32,220
of

633
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,299
safety net for both for all parties

634
00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:37,140
involved

635
00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:40,919
but it should be in plain language that

636
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:43,020
doesn't make you second guess and go to

637
00:25:40,919 --> 00:25:45,419
bed worrying whether Hasbro are going to

638
00:25:43,020 --> 00:25:47,340
be knocking on the other one demanding

639
00:25:45,419 --> 00:25:51,299
your tax revenue for the last 10 years

640
00:25:47,340 --> 00:25:54,120
like though this this like current there

641
00:25:51,299 --> 00:25:57,299
is a state of confusion at the moment

642
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:59,580
um and that's not like by Design right

643
00:25:57,299 --> 00:26:02,039
this is this is a leak and not even a

644
00:25:59,580 --> 00:26:05,700
complete leak and it might not even be a

645
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:07,559
leak of like the final document what if

646
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:09,740
we got the April Fool's version or

647
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:09,740
something

648
00:26:09,779 --> 00:26:16,020
um because like I bet that if Hasbro or

649
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,520
Wizards could have done their PR the way

650
00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:20,159
they wanted to

651
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:23,700
um even if it was the same information

652
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:26,279
it would feel less bad because what

653
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:28,740
feels bad at the moment is just not

654
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:29,700
knowing so before I pull the trigger on

655
00:26:28,740 --> 00:26:32,340
like

656
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:34,740
you know hiring some editors to start

657
00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:37,500
making generic versions of my content

658
00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:39,000
like yeah sister agnostic versions I'm

659
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:41,279
waiting to hear Wizards of the Coast

660
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,419
release a statement and if that

661
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,020
statement's like

662
00:26:42,419 --> 00:26:47,700
we're coming for your Perko

663
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:49,860
specifically you by name I think I do

664
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:53,299
think in one of those 9 000 words says

665
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:53,299
Matthew P is there

666
00:26:54,299 --> 00:26:59,400
um I I did I did hear a proper tinfall

667
00:26:57,659 --> 00:27:00,140
hat theory if you want to get down that

668
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,700
route

669
00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:04,440
as as with every leak ever there's

670
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,059
always the group that say oh it was a

671
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,460
deliberate you know imagine it was a

672
00:27:06,059 --> 00:27:12,120
deliberate leak and they they've leaked

673
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:14,279
it to test the waters of how well it

674
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,419
would be received yeah and then they go

675
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,679
when they actually release it then go

676
00:27:15,419 --> 00:27:18,900
okay well that went down like a

677
00:27:16,679 --> 00:27:22,440
shipwreck yeah it's like Joe Kelly two

678
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:24,299
of us will get uh if this is if this is

679
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,620
them doing that then this is equals one

680
00:27:24,299 --> 00:27:27,240
of that episode of SpongeBob where he

681
00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:29,220
rips his pants and he's trying to like

682
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:33,120
make people laugh and at one point he

683
00:27:29,220 --> 00:27:34,320
goes pretending to drown no because it's

684
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,720
not funny because he got in trouble

685
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,840
heading to drown at the beach this is a

686
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,159
pretending the drown moment yeah

687
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,740
that's that's pretty wild because

688
00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:46,880
remember a couple of weeks ago maybe for

689
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:51,419
like a month ago there was a previous

690
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:53,640
speculation about there being no ogl no

691
00:27:51,419 --> 00:27:57,500
open gaming license for sixth edition

692
00:27:53,640 --> 00:28:01,500
and people started this open DND

693
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:03,360
to say no we want an open and free DND

694
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:05,220
um Wizards needs to address our concerns

695
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,140
about whether it's going to be an ogl

696
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:10,679
and wizards came out with a statement on

697
00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:12,240
DND Beyond uh really kind of alleviating

698
00:28:10,679 --> 00:28:14,279
a lot of our fears and directly

699
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,620
addressing our concerns but the weird

700
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:20,340
thing is about this leak is that parts

701
00:28:16,620 --> 00:28:24,299
of it contradict what they were saying

702
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:27,419
and so I'll be really curious to see

703
00:28:24,299 --> 00:28:28,140
what their statement is on this one

704
00:28:27,419 --> 00:28:31,340
um

705
00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:34,140
also I want to know who leaked it so bad

706
00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:36,679
surprise uh no that would be that now

707
00:28:34,140 --> 00:28:38,640
that would be an expose

708
00:28:36,679 --> 00:28:41,640
that's what I should be working on maybe

709
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,600
yeah but

710
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,799
um

711
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,960
I finally should mentioned that because

712
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:48,120
it has been a roller coaster for last

713
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,020
yeah probably about eight weeks in total

714
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,760
of

715
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:52,980
oh my God the world's gonna end actually

716
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,900
no that's that was all wrong and it's

717
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:56,279
totally okay and we're probably gonna be

718
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:57,720
fine to oh my God no the world's gonna

719
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,400
end but in a slightly different way now

720
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,900
to then

721
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,360
well actually we don't know anything and

722
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:04,919
maybe maybe we'll be fine again so it

723
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,700
has been

724
00:29:04,919 --> 00:29:10,320
tricky keeping up and again in these

725
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:13,380
social network

726
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,539
you know circles you sometimes it can be

727
00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:17,100
very one-sided and doom and gloom so it

728
00:29:15,539 --> 00:29:19,440
is hard to kind of see the wood for the

729
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:22,799
trees as it were sometimes oh oh yeah I

730
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,740
look I think I think most of the the

731
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:28,919
feeling and the chatter is just a

732
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:30,120
symptom of flight what happens on social

733
00:29:28,919 --> 00:29:32,039
media

734
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,279
um I do have their statement from their

735
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:37,200
first thing open now

736
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,000
I'm just scanning through it to see if

737
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,700
there's anything in here that I was like

738
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,760
oh I was comforted by that

739
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:43,760
um

740
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,500
like he's another weird thing

741
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:55,679
so it was called an open gaming license

742
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:57,419
because there was no communication

743
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:59,760
needed between you and wizard as a coast

744
00:29:57,419 --> 00:30:01,440
for you to use this license here is a

745
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,240
bit of paper all you need to do to

746
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,419
accept this bit of paper is put this bit

747
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:09,120
of paper in your thing right now it is

748
00:30:06,419 --> 00:30:10,980
not an open gaming license because you

749
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,440
actually have to accept the license

750
00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:15,059
terms you have to register with with

751
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,260
this as a coast because there's a

752
00:30:15,059 --> 00:30:18,360
potential that you're going to have to

753
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:20,580
tell them what you're working on you're

754
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,140
going to have to tell them uh how much

755
00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:23,700
you're making if you're making over 50

756
00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:25,320
grand

757
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:29,340
um and you're also going to have to put

758
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,659
their badge on your thing made with ogl

759
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:33,000
or whatever like I think you would

760
00:30:30,659 --> 00:30:35,220
actually have to feature that on the

761
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,419
cover probably or the spine somewhere if

762
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:37,860
it's what I imagine

763
00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:39,000
and like there are some things that I'm

764
00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:41,220
concerned about as well as a video

765
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,659
commentator specifically because I can

766
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:44,520
look at this and go oh that makes sense

767
00:30:42,659 --> 00:30:48,240
I'm not allowed to publish printable

768
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,799
bookie content about stuff right but if

769
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,940
I homebrew something because I'm still

770
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,580
going to be home brewing stuff I'm still

771
00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:55,260
remaking up rules am I allowed to talk

772
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:57,960
about those rules that I've made up on a

773
00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:59,940
YouTube video or on a stream or

774
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,640
something like that or does that count

775
00:30:59,940 --> 00:31:03,670
as publishing rules or like their

776
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,000
verbiage

777
00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:08,820
[Music]

778
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:11,120
yeah I I that stuff thinking about that

779
00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:14,340
stuff scares me yeah

780
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,860
like I I wanted to say like I'm not

781
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:19,679
that naive I get it right I get the

782
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:22,260
money man at Hasbro have definitely over

783
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:24,240
the last 12 months been like guys

784
00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:25,740
there was a huge huge huge Market out

785
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,260
there that you're that's using your

786
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:30,360
stuff in a way like you should make

787
00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:32,880
money off of it like it completely you

788
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,039
know remove the emotion from the

789
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,779
equation like I I get it that's what

790
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,640
businesses do that's their they're not

791
00:31:36,779 --> 00:31:41,340
businesses otherwise they exist to make

792
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,200
profit so I I get it if there was a big

793
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:46,200
bunch of money over there that

794
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,240
Somebody went hey down alone somebody's

795
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,919
using your thing and making a shitload

796
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,360
of money off of it do you want some of

797
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:54,360
that money

798
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,860
maybe I'd go yeah and I think if you ask

799
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,520
people a lot of that they probably would

800
00:31:55,860 --> 00:32:02,820
say yeah you know it's the same way that

801
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,140
everybody gets a lot stick rightly so

802
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:05,640
for

803
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,919
we have it in the UK a lot like tax

804
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,419
evasion you know people make make loads

805
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:10,200
of money and then their accountants do

806
00:32:09,419 --> 00:32:13,559
some

807
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,799
creativity uh actions and then suddenly

808
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:18,480
they they pay less tax and they get

809
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,580
rightfully in the most part thrown under

810
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,080
the bus for it but I think if you took

811
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:24,179
most British people

812
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,520
and said hey

813
00:32:24,179 --> 00:32:28,679
you're making 10 million pounds do you

814
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,020
want to make essentially more because

815
00:32:28,679 --> 00:32:33,240
you'd be tankless for basically doing

816
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:35,820
nothing they'd probably go yeah

817
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,140
I think brass tacks especially in this

818
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:39,120
current economic climate they probably

819
00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:40,740
would say you know what yeah it's a bit

820
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,140
immoral but who's it hurt and nobody

821
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:44,220
fine and they probably would or at least

822
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:46,260
you don't get into their position of

823
00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:48,179
making that money without

824
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:51,539
being the kind of person that would say

825
00:32:48,179 --> 00:32:53,520
yes so I can see why

826
00:32:51,539 --> 00:32:55,559
Hasbro are doing this because it's just

827
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,600
there's just so much there is so much

828
00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,659
money there to be made like if you think

829
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,200
of of the business of critical role who

830
00:33:00,659 --> 00:33:05,279
are just now their own monolithic

831
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,840
business machine because they they had

832
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,100
their own controversy recently right uh

833
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,419
well last year at some point around

834
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:12,299
there

835
00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:13,740
stuff I seem to recall there was some oh

836
00:33:12,299 --> 00:33:16,140
yeah that's a good that's a good thing

837
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:17,940
to talk about uh yeah I I do know about

838
00:33:16,140 --> 00:33:19,559
their license agreement with their their

839
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:21,000
fan content let's talk about that a bit

840
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:24,360
later because I reckon critical role

841
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,700
that'll lead to its own whole tangent

842
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,039
and I didn't I wanted to go back to

843
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:31,980
something you just said sure about how

844
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:34,440
some people would go yeah well to be

845
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:37,140
fair I would like to pay less tax even

846
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:40,019
if it is a bit immoral like in the same

847
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:42,000
way yeah can't fault Hasbro Wizards the

848
00:33:40,019 --> 00:33:44,220
coast for doing this here's something

849
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,480
that I do trust

850
00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:49,980
um about corporate corporate entities

851
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,860
they are looking out for their best

852
00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:55,320
interests in the sense that like

853
00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:56,640
um they probably have some data they

854
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,140
probably have some evidence they would

855
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,640
have had to make a business case for

856
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:01,919
literally everything they've done

857
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,140
including desk assessment and they've

858
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:07,980
gone you know what it's worth it and

859
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:11,460
what I wonder is the current Fallout

860
00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:13,200
did they predict this like is it are we

861
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:15,659
still within the threshold of they they

862
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,639
went like no this is part of it this is

863
00:34:15,659 --> 00:34:19,200
part of the the pain that we're going to

864
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,419
have to go through or like have we

865
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,740
exceeded it and if we did exceed the

866
00:34:21,419 --> 00:34:24,899
amount of pain that they'd predicted in

867
00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:27,659
whatever risk assessment they've done

868
00:34:24,899 --> 00:34:29,040
um I wonder if they would stop or they

869
00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:31,800
would keep going like a sunk cost

870
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,960
fallacy and

871
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,760
like I wonder if they they imagine this

872
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,159
as being like now it's going to be

873
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,899
unpopular it's going to be a PR hit

874
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,580
because

875
00:34:39,899 --> 00:34:44,599
I don't think

876
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:47,099
that even like the most zealous

877
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:49,020
employee at Hasbro wizard of the coast

878
00:34:47,099 --> 00:34:51,839
would look at this and go people are

879
00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:54,080
going to love this one second time for

880
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:54,080
Christmas

881
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:56,940
um I don't think anybody's saying that I

882
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,440
think they're saying okay we've got to

883
00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:00,720
sell this we've got to we've got to put

884
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,400
like a positive face on this one but I

885
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,720
wonder if they went this is going to be

886
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,260
a PR hit

887
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:09,480
and they didn't realize oh this is gonna

888
00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:12,300
actually like be disruptive this is

889
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,740
gonna disrupt this ecosystem because

890
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,220
that's what it feels like this feels

891
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:19,140
like an environmental disaster

892
00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:20,660
oh yeah I feel like somebody's suing the

893
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:23,720
Great Barrier Reef

894
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:23,720
you know

895
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,220
it is hard to these these these big

896
00:35:29,579 --> 00:35:34,079
machines and and I've also seen people

897
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:35,579
talk about it in the same way of like

898
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,140
magic the Gathering has already gone

899
00:35:35,579 --> 00:35:41,359
through this pain and we are now just

900
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:44,280
like oh second what what happened there

901
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:46,260
maybe not the same for same but I think

902
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,880
Magic the Gathering is now in a a

903
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:49,380
similar case where because people said

904
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,140
you can still enjoy D with that with

905
00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:54,900
that with out endorsing

906
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:56,460
Wizards of the Coast or Hasbro yeah

907
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:57,900
because people already do that for Magic

908
00:35:56,460 --> 00:36:00,000
the Gathering because that's all that

909
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,099
that's already been through maybe not a

910
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,260
similar situation but a similar kind of

911
00:36:02,099 --> 00:36:06,839
bastardization of the core kind of

912
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:09,720
original principles so now not that I'm

913
00:36:06,839 --> 00:36:11,760
into MTG that much but there is branded

914
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:14,400
and licensed sets of

915
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,440
cards for Lord of the Rings like for

916
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,180
Warhammer for everything under the sun

917
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,320
yeah you can get like a 40K Magic the

918
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:21,839
Gathering deck that's somehow

919
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,520
inexplicably works with the rest of the

920
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:26,280
magic the Gathering stuff so that has

921
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,220
been to use an impolite term like poured

922
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,500
out again just to make that kind of

923
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:34,380
stuff so it's similar things have

924
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:36,060
already been been done so there's I

925
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:40,200
haven't my vision of his head this old

926
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:41,960
like grade wizard MTG players that are

927
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,180
like

928
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,859
getting too old for this well that that

929
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:50,940
you know that noose around the neck

930
00:36:46,859 --> 00:36:52,740
first time like yeah oh oh yeah it's

931
00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:54,839
it's already you know there's a

932
00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:57,540
precedent has been set in a way

933
00:36:54,839 --> 00:36:59,579
um with with the money they have

934
00:36:57,540 --> 00:37:02,460
probably found themselves over the last

935
00:36:59,579 --> 00:37:04,079
five years of going whoa it's exploded

936
00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:05,700
over the last five years and suddenly

937
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:09,180
everybody loves it and we're making a

938
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:11,060
shitload of money they've probably had

939
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:13,800
experts they've probably had you know

940
00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:16,200
paid the obnoxiously expensive marketing

941
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,640
and PR people to come in to say like no

942
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,380
this will be

943
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,260
you know as you said you're gonna be

944
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:24,780
taking a hit on this but as you said

945
00:37:22,260 --> 00:37:26,940
profit and loss or you know um the risk

946
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:29,760
you know the risk is you're gonna take a

947
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:31,260
hit but your return on investment is two

948
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,820
years and then suddenly you're laughing

949
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:36,119
all the way to the bank for the rest of

950
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:38,700
time then yeah like go ahead there are

951
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:39,900
two things that I look up that I

952
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:40,920
probably won't need but I think about

953
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:43,200
them a lot because it's super

954
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,240
interesting one is

955
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,460
strategy for when you win the lottery

956
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,839
what you should what should you do and

957
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:51,180
like if you've done the same thing where

958
00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:53,700
you go like I want to see it's a fun

959
00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:56,040
thought experiment to have it's so funny

960
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:58,619
like depressing at the same time get a

961
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,780
lawyer you know give them like a stipend

962
00:37:58,619 --> 00:38:02,099
or like a bank of cash and get your

963
00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:03,660
family and friends if they want money

964
00:38:02,099 --> 00:38:06,540
they get it through the lawyer and the

965
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:08,880
lawyer is impartial you know just gives

966
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:10,380
about 10 grand to each person a year you

967
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,820
know and that's it don't tell anybody

968
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:13,500
you won the lottery all that kind of

969
00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:15,180
stuff don't change your lifestyle I love

970
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,020
that yeah the other one I think about is

971
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:18,839
like

972
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:20,820
do what would I do if like everybody on

973
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:22,440
the internet like hated me like what if

974
00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:24,780
I accidentally became Twitter's main

975
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,280
character for a day like being dad or

976
00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:27,839
something because that guy didn't see

977
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,280
that coming right he was telling a story

978
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:33,599
about his daughter trying to open a can

979
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:35,520
of beans and he got obliterated yeah

980
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:38,760
and the strategy that I've seen for like

981
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:41,760
if you are being publicly shamed is to

982
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,380
just ignore it go away for a week come

983
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,480
back a week later

984
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:47,880
pretend everything's fine eventually

985
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,619
somebody else will mess up and they'll

986
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,980
become the main character and you're

987
00:38:49,619 --> 00:38:53,880
always got free so like the idea of them

988
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:56,400
going

989
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,680
look in two years we'll go to the

990
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,980
Winchester this will all blow over you

991
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,960
know because I reckon that would work

992
00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:05,160
yeah yeah absolutely there's a there's

993
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,320
an Always Sunny episode that's around

994
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,599
the 24 hour news cycle and they just

995
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,220
yeah and they're just like

996
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,619
as long as we don't [ __ ] up in the next

997
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:15,359
24 hours we'll be we'll be fine but then

998
00:39:13,619 --> 00:39:17,040
the point of the show is they keep like

999
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:19,200
they just keep resetting the clock goes

1000
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,780
up another 24 hours because that's

1001
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,940
something more horrible has happened

1002
00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:25,859
um but yeah no absolutely uh that is a

1003
00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:28,440
thing and and you do see it especially

1004
00:39:25,859 --> 00:39:30,599
on on Twitter you do see people be the

1005
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,040
villain of the week and everybody hates

1006
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,339
them and there are nine million block

1007
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:38,640
lists and then seven days later it's

1008
00:39:35,339 --> 00:39:41,220
nothing really has has changed uh it

1009
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,960
works and whether yeah you know

1010
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:45,720
that is I think I think a 24-hour news

1011
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:49,020
cyclist is a legitimate PR like that is

1012
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:50,180
a known thing it's yeah just a parody

1013
00:39:49,020 --> 00:40:00,320
here

1014
00:39:50,180 --> 00:40:00,320
[Music]

1015
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:08,099
so I wanted to do background to to for

1016
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:09,960
me personally so again put this through

1017
00:40:08,099 --> 00:40:12,300
my my filter of

1018
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,460
uh you know naivety and and the

1019
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:15,660
ignorance to a certain extent

1020
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:18,180
um of

1021
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:21,200
like this this podcast let's get let's

1022
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:23,040
go meta for a second oh okay yeah yeah

1023
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,099
it's not

1024
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,839
uh monetized in that that I run ads

1025
00:40:26,099 --> 00:40:29,460
mainly because I don't know how but

1026
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:32,280
we'll cover that on another episode

1027
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:34,200
we'll cross that bridge later but like

1028
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,960
no one's paying I don't pay anybody else

1029
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,579
to do it it is just just little of me

1030
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,320
there's no

1031
00:40:38,579 --> 00:40:43,320
the cash flow in there's no cash flow

1032
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:46,079
out it's all just me download as an

1033
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:49,140
individual so

1034
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:51,119
it me you might in naive brain says I

1035
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:53,760
should be okay but then that feels like

1036
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:57,660
maybe maybe not now with this new crazy

1037
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,760
scary 1.1 on on my Horizon

1038
00:40:57,660 --> 00:41:02,400
I look I think like directly I think

1039
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,560
you'll be okay but what's frustrating is

1040
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,940
the uncertainty and like the idea that

1041
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,119
stuff could change

1042
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:11,099
in the future and I don't think wizard

1043
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:13,140
of the coast are villains they're not

1044
00:41:11,099 --> 00:41:15,240
trying to hurt people they're trying to

1045
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:16,280
make money yes people are in the way of

1046
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:18,900
that

1047
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,119
you know people always in the way trying

1048
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:23,520
to make money get out of the way of my

1049
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:26,940
money

1050
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:29,339
um and like like I said like no moral

1051
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:31,440
side in them for trying to to do that

1052
00:41:29,339 --> 00:41:34,099
that's well within their rights

1053
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,660
but let's talk about critical role yeah

1054
00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:38,040
so I did think that as well like in in

1055
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:40,020
obviously over the last couple of weeks

1056
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,579
because obviously the biggest

1057
00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:45,060
monetary

1058
00:41:41,579 --> 00:41:46,980
benefactor from doing their ears

1059
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:48,839
critical role I think probably by a huge

1060
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:51,839
margin I can't think of any other

1061
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:54,060
private or third party that are making

1062
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:55,560
there's probably some authors or

1063
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:57,119
licensed other other you know like

1064
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,740
Forbidden Planet or something that are

1065
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,240
making money somehow off of it but

1066
00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:02,760
that's something that Springs to mind

1067
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:06,060
it's obviously who's only in over 50k

1068
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:10,920
absolutely absolutely is it's critical

1069
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:13,440
role ink yeah so like they

1070
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,060
vary the very scared or very not scared

1071
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,380
again because of this uncertainty right

1072
00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:19,700
are they it's either a huge thing or

1073
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:23,940
maybe maybe they get some special

1074
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:25,980
swerve yeah they've absolutely got a uh

1075
00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:27,839
bespoke license because one thing that

1076
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:29,820
they said is that all of the big

1077
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:32,099
companies and creators for example

1078
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:34,140
fantasy Grands roll20 Kickstarter

1079
00:42:32,099 --> 00:42:36,359
critical role probably

1080
00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:39,180
um and maybe some other big ones some

1081
00:42:36,359 --> 00:42:40,859
Partners they have bespoke licenses with

1082
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:43,260
bespoke terms oh okay and we're never

1083
00:42:40,859 --> 00:42:45,660
going to know what those terms are but

1084
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:49,079
if I were CEO of critical role beat boy

1085
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:51,900
Travis Willingham I would be

1086
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:53,940
frustrated because the more money you

1087
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:56,280
have in something the more you value

1088
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:58,500
stability and the more you're willing to

1089
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,940
pay for stability we was talking about

1090
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:01,319
earlier about how critical role had

1091
00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:05,940
their own controversy around their

1092
00:43:01,319 --> 00:43:07,619
license agreement and it was the The Fan

1093
00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:10,980
content agreement it was and they've got

1094
00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:13,260
a really generous fan fan content uh uh

1095
00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:15,359
thing going on but what they were saying

1096
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:17,460
is within the first three or four days

1097
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:19,740
of an episode of critical world coming

1098
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:21,240
out we don't want people to talk about

1099
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:23,400
it like we don't want people to post

1100
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:25,319
spoilers and stuff like that and that's

1101
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,880
similar to like what the NFL does like

1102
00:43:25,319 --> 00:43:30,000
the gridir in American football stuff

1103
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:33,359
they have some kind of rebroadcasting or

1104
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,099
or like some embargo on clips for like

1105
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:36,300
24 hours or something after a game I

1106
00:43:35,099 --> 00:43:38,280
don't know exactly

1107
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,960
but that felt like overreaching to me

1108
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,940
just because it's like hey you got the

1109
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,020
biggest Dungeons and Dragons show in the

1110
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:46,020
world and we're not allowed to talk

1111
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:47,040
about it come on come on

1112
00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:48,480
um

1113
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,300
but

1114
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:53,339
critical role my question is

1115
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,780
at what point do they go we value

1116
00:43:53,339 --> 00:43:57,900
stability

1117
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:59,760
so much that we're willing to go we're

1118
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:01,859
going to make our own game or we're

1119
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,160
gonna start to

1120
00:44:01,859 --> 00:44:08,460
separate from the front

1121
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:10,079
oh yeah oh that is a

1122
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:13,800
yeah I wouldn't like to be in that

1123
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:16,260
boardroom for sure uh when do we when do

1124
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,240
we make that leap because absolutely

1125
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:20,700
they could you know they've got design

1126
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:23,099
heads between them to to make their own

1127
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:24,839
system or whatnot so they could

1128
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:27,480
absolutely do that and then what can be

1129
00:44:24,839 --> 00:44:29,700
completely disassociate themselves

1130
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,460
from that brand oh that is a

1131
00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:35,160
that is a pros and cons spreadsheet that

1132
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:38,040
I'd like to see here yeah well have you

1133
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,880
heard how paiso and path down Pathfinder

1134
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,900
came around

1135
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,240
because was that second e to 30 was that

1136
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:47,520
is that one The Great Divide I think it

1137
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:49,200
was I think I think with third fourth ah

1138
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,420
okay right and that was it was that a

1139
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,599
similar situation I vaguely remember now

1140
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:57,240
I don't know exactly but I do know that

1141
00:44:54,599 --> 00:45:00,060
there was some element of Licensing

1142
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:01,980
involved right but they went well we

1143
00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:03,780
like Third Edition if you're gonna make

1144
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:05,880
fourth edition we're gonna make our

1145
00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:07,380
version of Third Edition and so I can

1146
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,079
imagine critical role

1147
00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:12,780
saying look hey but we like this

1148
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:15,060
loosey-goosey style of role-playing

1149
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:18,060
stuff so we're gonna make our version of

1150
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:19,680
that and then if critical role make a

1151
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:22,380
game man it's just the Pathfinder but

1152
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,940
for fifth edition

1153
00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:25,079
um and that'd be cool you know because

1154
00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:26,940
they could do it really well they've got

1155
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,260
their own publishing Branch they've got

1156
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:29,700
um the Darrington press they put out

1157
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:31,740
board games and stuff they've got design

1158
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:34,380
heads like you said

1159
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:36,780
um they've got the marketing and media

1160
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:39,060
presence to actually sell it yeah they

1161
00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:40,940
put a lot of Goodwill yeah I reckon that

1162
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:43,400
would be cool

1163
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:45,599
is like

1164
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,020
can you imagine if I came out and it was

1165
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:51,319
like way more restrictive we want 75 of

1166
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:51,319
that dollar

1167
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:56,520
uh there's in for a penny in for a pound

1168
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,900
uh so [ __ ] it double down yeah give me

1169
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,700
the penny and the pound

1170
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:01,680
um

1171
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:04,980
if you see your stuff with Kickstarter

1172
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,260
what for the ogl or yeah isn't it it's

1173
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:09,440
their preferred all those that's their

1174
00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:12,660
preferred crowdfunding platform right

1175
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,359
yeah yeah so the the people at

1176
00:46:12,660 --> 00:46:18,180
Kickstarter on Twitter I saw they

1177
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:19,920
negotiated with Wizards on the new ogl

1178
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:23,339
because at the moment if you make over

1179
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:27,780
750 000 on every dollar that got above

1180
00:46:23,339 --> 00:46:29,420
that threshold you're paying 25 percent

1181
00:46:27,780 --> 00:46:31,740
um so

1182
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:33,960
Kickstarter negotiated with us to get

1183
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:34,800
that down on Kickstarter for to 20

1184
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,740
percent

1185
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,240
right and so but if you crowdfund on any

1186
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:41,520
other platform

1187
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:44,640
um you should get shot to full 25 it

1188
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,980
kicks out of the 20 and someone at some

1189
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,380
point was saying oh yeah so that means

1190
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:50,700
that they've negotiated a kickback for

1191
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:52,560
themselves they get to keep the five

1192
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:55,859
percent but Kickstarter came out and

1193
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,359
said no no no we negotiated that on

1194
00:46:55,859 --> 00:46:59,940
behalf of

1195
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:01,800
you know creators this is Wizards of the

1196
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:04,200
Coast license

1197
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,180
um and we were just advocating for

1198
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,579
um for for you we're not taking making

1199
00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:10,319
any money off it because in fact I bet

1200
00:47:08,579 --> 00:47:12,060
as a result of the ogl there's going to

1201
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:13,560
be fewer

1202
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:15,359
um things that are made and Kickstarter

1203
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,819
that's going to make less money yeah I

1204
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:19,200
think I think everybody except Wizards

1205
00:47:17,819 --> 00:47:20,339
is going to make less money there won't

1206
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,780
be anyone that makes more money from

1207
00:47:20,339 --> 00:47:25,380
this no

1208
00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:29,160
no just well yeah the money they would

1209
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:31,980
have made go somewhere else yeah

1210
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:34,440
now I've never I've got an episode on

1211
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:36,380
Kickstarter nevermind again we'll find

1212
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,160
out you can go to think

1213
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:39,839
Kickstarter and you can listen to about

1214
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,520
marketing and stuff on there

1215
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:43,260
um but

1216
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,540
I I haven't used it myself obviously

1217
00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:46,980
I've I've I'm literally waiting for the

1218
00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:48,180
next couple of weeks for my Frost Haven

1219
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:50,040
to be delivered to my door which was

1220
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:51,960
backed through Kickstarter and now we've

1221
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,180
reached the limit of my experience with

1222
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,920
with that crowdfunding platform

1223
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:58,079
I would like to give them the benefit of

1224
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,079
the doubt and say there was no Shady

1225
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:03,359
Kickback and backdoor dealings and and

1226
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:05,760
so on and so on if that is the case then

1227
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:08,339
that is great because

1228
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,079
when somebody think of the children uh

1229
00:48:08,339 --> 00:48:13,020
and

1230
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:15,660
somebody is in this instance but what

1231
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:17,700
that brings to mind is ironically

1232
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:20,220
Kickstarter itself was part of its own

1233
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:22,740
villain of the week episode maybe the

1234
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:23,579
year before last when it was around

1235
00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:27,240
um

1236
00:48:23,579 --> 00:48:30,240
their proposed use of the blockchain

1237
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:32,819
and they were then the villain for a

1238
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:34,260
week and a half and then everyone jumped

1239
00:48:32,819 --> 00:48:36,180
ship from Kickstarter Never Gonna use

1240
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:38,640
again horrible blah blah to then going

1241
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:40,260
to use Becker kit was the other one that

1242
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,300
yeah we hate the blockchain and we'll

1243
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:44,280
never use it and then everyone went to

1244
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:45,240
use back a kit uh and again in a similar

1245
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,099
situation to how we kind of find

1246
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:49,440
ourselves in now where

1247
00:48:47,099 --> 00:48:51,119
most people aren't

1248
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,400
wouldn't even know the difference

1249
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:55,500
because oh this this is a cool watch on

1250
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,020
Kickstarter fine here's ten dollars and

1251
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:59,640
I'm none the wiser so that you know yeah

1252
00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:02,220
that was a similar situation but it just

1253
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,900
it just the parallels made me a wry

1254
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:05,640
smile appeared across my face when I did

1255
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:08,160
read about that that they've negotiated

1256
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,319
there and I was like oh yeah people did

1257
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,339
hate them though so now maybe they're

1258
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:13,560
just trying to win back some of that

1259
00:49:11,339 --> 00:49:16,920
that will they lost a year and a half

1260
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:19,020
ago well it is it is tricky like like

1261
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,720
we're saying earlier it's not the end of

1262
00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:23,700
the world to be unpopular uh you can be

1263
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:26,040
drastically unpopular as well and

1264
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:28,200
someone's gonna like it it's crazy it's

1265
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,900
crazy when I say when they say it all

1266
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:34,260
news is good news I don't think I say

1267
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:39,060
that nobody said that no it's no news

1268
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:40,500
it's good news oh no wait no no well

1269
00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:42,240
definitely no news is good news there's

1270
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:43,980
definitely one but I feel like there is

1271
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,319
one that's like you do it all news is

1272
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:48,000
good news well maybe not maybe not that

1273
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:50,180
verbatim but there is one that's like

1274
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,740
all publicity is

1275
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:54,359
there's no such thing as bad publicity

1276
00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:57,140
there we go that's what we got there at

1277
00:49:54,359 --> 00:50:00,359
the end we crowdsourced that we did

1278
00:49:57,140 --> 00:50:02,000
we did we did thank you for doing most

1279
00:50:00,359 --> 00:50:04,800
of the heavy lifting on that

1280
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,160
that's that boy the brain is doing there

1281
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,599
it is I had a good ice block so people

1282
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,220
are going to do that thing like they're

1283
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,160
doing with Twitter like oh Elon Musk has

1284
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:16,920
bought Twitter I'm gonna go to Hive you

1285
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:20,220
know and hives Hive is absolute dog [ __ ]

1286
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:22,260
it sucks barely works right and

1287
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:24,000
everybody's just so smug and happy to be

1288
00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:26,160
there so people are going to do the same

1289
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,660
thing with d and d I'm gonna go play

1290
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,700
something else but it's like that person

1291
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:34,079
said to Ginny D now you're going to try

1292
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:36,300
Pathfinder right Pathfinder uses zogl so

1293
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,079
there's gonna be something some indie

1294
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:38,940
game

1295
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:43,319
or a bunch of indie games that come up

1296
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:45,180
and people are gonna be like fractured

1297
00:50:43,319 --> 00:50:46,740
and the community is going to go a whole

1298
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:48,660
bunch of different ways the people that

1299
00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:51,180
do decide to jump ship

1300
00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:54,240
do you think do you I don't know much

1301
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:56,520
about other ttrpgs but if you do know of

1302
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:59,700
any do you like what do you reckon could

1303
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:02,579
be a contender to like of each some of D

1304
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:06,540
D's lunch do you reckon oh man I don't

1305
00:51:02,579 --> 00:51:09,000
know do you reckon it exists yet or not

1306
00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:11,819
I would say no not now you talked about

1307
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,460
maybe you know critical role doing their

1308
00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:16,800
own thing that that would be the one in

1309
00:51:14,460 --> 00:51:19,079
my opinion that would be that would be

1310
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,400
any any kind of close and you've seen I

1311
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,020
can't recall off top of my head but I've

1312
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,200
seen charts you know like market share

1313
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:28,500
charts in the past of ttrpgs and it's

1314
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:31,440
like 70 is is you know like an

1315
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:32,640
obnoxiously large amount is is DND you

1316
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,839
know the stuff you only get when you

1317
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,880
talk about like

1318
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:37,800
apple is

1319
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,359
50 you know even Apple has less share of

1320
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,000
the smartphone market than

1321
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:43,980
Wizards due with d d of the ttrpg market

1322
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,680
which is saying which is saying

1323
00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:50,339
something so no not not from the

1324
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:53,280
experience I've had one one good thing I

1325
00:51:50,339 --> 00:51:54,960
like about d d being so ubiquitous is

1326
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,000
it's kind of like a baseline

1327
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,640
understanding of it gives everybody a

1328
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,339
baseline understanding of ttrpgs so like

1329
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:05,940
yeah if someone's played any anything

1330
00:52:02,339 --> 00:52:07,980
else they'll know what a D20 is you know

1331
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:10,619
versus somebody who's never played any

1332
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:12,000
ttrpgs so there's there's you know

1333
00:52:10,619 --> 00:52:13,680
everybody knows about it everyone kind

1334
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,079
of gets skill checks and ability checks

1335
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,119
and and it's this kind of fundamental

1336
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,579
Baseline understanding for you know does

1337
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:22,800
have a benefit of being that that's one

1338
00:52:20,579 --> 00:52:24,059
benefit of it being that ubiquitous and

1339
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,980
there's also a discussion of people you

1340
00:52:24,059 --> 00:52:28,319
know oh people never want to try any

1341
00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:29,880
other ttrpgs kazoo they have to learn

1342
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,440
something new and I'm like well yeah you

1343
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,880
do have to learn something new

1344
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,980
I hate the people that say that though

1345
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,980
it's like oh what why are you trying to

1346
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:39,720
make D and D do this kind of story when

1347
00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:42,180
you're playing this RPG that is

1348
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:44,880
specifically made to do that kind of

1349
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:47,520
story and it's only a page long and

1350
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,920
there's no support for it and nobody

1351
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:53,040
plays it and nobody plays it five other

1352
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,020
people how to play it yeah because like

1353
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,000
I know what I'm gonna do every every

1354
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:58,619
other Sunday I'm gonna go and the Five

1355
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,599
Guys I play with we're all

1356
00:52:58,619 --> 00:53:02,339
you know have the same knowledge with

1357
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,780
absolutely the same place if I go guys

1358
00:53:02,339 --> 00:53:05,640
sit down and listen to me talk for three

1359
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:07,380
hours while I talk and explain how this

1360
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,240
new thing looks that's not

1361
00:53:07,380 --> 00:53:10,859
that's not fun and

1362
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,960
people say

1363
00:53:10,859 --> 00:53:15,240
that like trying to teach refugees and

1364
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:19,079
other stuff I have I bought the alien

1365
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:21,000
Starter Set uh and I went I'm never

1366
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,260
gonna play this because I have to

1367
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,640
remember all these rules and then I'm

1368
00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:26,460
gonna have to teach five other people

1369
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,960
all these rules that have got no

1370
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:31,160
experience

1371
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:33,480
very little willingness to to try that

1372
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,420
in everybody's busy schedules of life

1373
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,339
it's like well

1374
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:40,140
man you've reminded me something like d

1375
00:53:38,339 --> 00:53:43,920
d so ubiquitous that I saw something on

1376
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:45,839
the ttrpg uh subreddit and like

1377
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,520
whichever sublet it is that they go we

1378
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:50,940
want to make our own systems and our own

1379
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:53,040
rules like ttrpg design or something

1380
00:53:50,940 --> 00:53:55,380
um and there was a post that somebody

1381
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,599
made like a year ago but they were

1382
00:53:55,380 --> 00:54:00,180
talking about how

1383
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:02,040
if you're publishing an RPG it's not a

1384
00:54:00,180 --> 00:54:04,559
bad idea to include a paragraph right at

1385
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,599
the start how is this different from DND

1386
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,760
how does it compare because immediately

1387
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:10,859
if you just put your rules and your

1388
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:14,099
system in that frame if you go even

1389
00:54:10,859 --> 00:54:15,780
let's go this is less crunchy than DND

1390
00:54:14,099 --> 00:54:17,280
you're going to need fewer Dice and the

1391
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:18,480
games are shorter like that's helpful

1392
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,540
immediately I know what you're talking

1393
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:25,140
about with the changes to the ogl

1394
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:26,520
you can't do that if you have an ogl you

1395
00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:28,859
can't do that

1396
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,859
you can't even compare you can't even

1397
00:54:28,859 --> 00:54:34,319
say Dungeons and Dragons that's why so

1398
00:54:31,859 --> 00:54:38,099
many osr products don't say D and D

1399
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:40,859
they'll say 5e or like if they're

1400
00:54:38,099 --> 00:54:42,780
referring to a to fifth edition they'll

1401
00:54:40,859 --> 00:54:44,040
say 5e or 3E because that's not the

1402
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:47,300
trademark

1403
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,619
it's D and D yeah oh God yeah

1404
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:54,300
I'm quite sentimental about it man like

1405
00:54:49,619 --> 00:54:57,660
I like I do like DND and if I imagine a

1406
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:59,400
worst case scenario for the company I

1407
00:54:57,660 --> 00:55:00,440
don't think that there will be any kind

1408
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,059
of

1409
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,700
catastrophic form no four wizard of the

1410
00:55:03,059 --> 00:55:08,520
Coast or d d whatever but like if it

1411
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:10,260
became no longer popular or if every

1412
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,099
time you talked about it you had someone

1413
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:12,839
going

1414
00:55:11,099 --> 00:55:14,280
while you're playing that aren't those

1415
00:55:12,839 --> 00:55:16,800
the bad guys

1416
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,619
don't hurt like I do like DND because

1417
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,559
it's DND I do like the brand name you

1418
00:55:19,619 --> 00:55:24,000
know I do like the Legacy I've got all

1419
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,440
the I don't have all the Third Edition

1420
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,700
books I've got almost all the Third

1421
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,740
Edition books all the fourth edition

1422
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:32,339
books all the fifth edition books I've

1423
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:34,500
got a spattering of second edition books

1424
00:55:32,339 --> 00:55:36,900
um I've got a couple of like relics of

1425
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:38,280
like sometimes I will go on like our

1426
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:40,640
equivalent of Craigslist it's called

1427
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:44,220
Gumtree in Australia and I will buy

1428
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:46,319
scraps of RPG books like in the same way

1429
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:47,460
that people have a box full of cables in

1430
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:50,339
their home they don't know what it's for

1431
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:52,079
I buy the scrap of pages of RPG things

1432
00:55:50,339 --> 00:55:54,180
this is a book to cook top tour and a

1433
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:57,000
half and it's got things built on it and

1434
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:59,160
I've got all these like map posters of

1435
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,559
Raven Loft like the whole continent not

1436
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,819
just barovia

1437
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:06,059
um I've got like the whole thing and

1438
00:56:02,819 --> 00:56:07,859
I've got these posters of like

1439
00:56:06,059 --> 00:56:10,079
um really serious looking Adams Family

1440
00:56:07,859 --> 00:56:11,880
Style families on the back it says this

1441
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:14,700
character is a werewolf and this this

1442
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,800
one um died at the age of 13 team we

1443
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:18,660
came back as a ghost like all this like

1444
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,400
real old school stuff and I don't know

1445
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:23,099
what these products are for it's just

1446
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:28,260
part of this ongoing story that we've

1447
00:56:23,099 --> 00:56:30,960
been telling for like 50 years and now

1448
00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:34,740
we have somebody kind of trying to swing

1449
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,420
that sentimentality that real thing

1450
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:39,240
that exists they're swinging it like a

1451
00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:41,040
club and they're making money off it and

1452
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:43,020
it hurts it's hurtful

1453
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,980
you know it's sad

1454
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:47,400
um

1455
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:50,400
that said we don't know the 100 of it

1456
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,720
but when I imagine it going bad I get

1457
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,460
sad about it

1458
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,140
um

1459
00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:57,319
that's just what you want for rainy

1460
00:56:55,140 --> 00:56:59,819
January uh

1461
00:56:57,319 --> 00:57:02,520
thanks Wizards

1462
00:56:59,819 --> 00:57:05,700
the one the one final thing I wanted to

1463
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,900
I wanted to talk about uh that is off of

1464
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:08,460
the back of something we talked about

1465
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:10,260
earlier on about I think we almost

1466
00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:14,640
opened it with you know I've made this

1467
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:16,020
NPC is that now them there to use and I

1468
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,640
do remember reading over the past couple

1469
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:19,980
days people trying to

1470
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,660
that again is this is the kind of stuff

1471
00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:23,940
that frustrates me is when you get into

1472
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:26,460
this weird murky like oh but how have

1473
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:28,619
you defined you know you can copyright X

1474
00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:31,980
but you can't copyright why but why is

1475
00:57:28,619 --> 00:57:35,160
covered by IP and there's this whole

1476
00:57:31,980 --> 00:57:37,260
discussion now about like you about what

1477
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,859
game rules that was a game mechanics so

1478
00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:42,720
you can't game mechanics can't be

1479
00:57:39,859 --> 00:57:44,220
copyrighted again don't quote me on that

1480
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,420
and take me to court but I think if

1481
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:46,700
memory serves that's what they were

1482
00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:49,619
saying so like

1483
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:51,599
what constitutes game mechanics and you

1484
00:57:49,619 --> 00:57:54,540
get into it this this murky world of

1485
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:57,180
like well ability scores and and that

1486
00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:58,680
are such an intrinsic part of b d that

1487
00:57:57,180 --> 00:58:00,540
they could be copyrighted because they

1488
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,819
now are kind of like part of the brand

1489
00:58:00,540 --> 00:58:04,740
but other things aren't quite that big

1490
00:58:02,819 --> 00:58:07,800
so like just rolling a D20 for example

1491
00:58:04,740 --> 00:58:09,420
can't be copyrighted and like the fact

1492
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,359
that that kind of worms is opened that

1493
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:15,480
annoys me that that is tricky I've heard

1494
00:58:12,359 --> 00:58:17,700
that same thing said in like I don't

1495
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,500
watch much osr content I only watch

1496
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:21,720
questing Beast because I don't play to

1497
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:23,880
myself stuff but I just I just like the

1498
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,380
way questing Beast presents his stuff

1499
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,220
and it's fun

1500
00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:27,839
um even though I sometimes don't

1501
00:58:26,220 --> 00:58:29,520
understand it

1502
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:31,500
um but that's something that he said he

1503
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,440
said look you can't copyright game rules

1504
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:36,420
at some point and maybe he's right I

1505
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,400
don't know but I imagine even if that

1506
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:41,160
were true you still could copyright the

1507
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,839
verbiage of it right so if the the

1508
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,760
common wisdom I've heard is oh you can

1509
00:58:42,839 --> 00:58:48,359
use the game rules but you just can't

1510
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:51,420
use their their wording of it so I would

1511
00:58:48,359 --> 00:58:54,059
imagine you could have a system of

1512
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:55,260
ability scores and modifiers skill

1513
00:58:54,059 --> 00:58:57,780
checks and ability checks and attack

1514
00:58:55,260 --> 00:58:59,339
rolls but you could not call them any of

1515
00:58:57,780 --> 00:59:01,559
those

1516
00:58:59,339 --> 00:59:08,180
um it would have to be a violence check

1517
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:10,680
and uh uh uh an aptitude role here

1518
00:59:08,180 --> 00:59:12,000
I don't I don't even know if that's true

1519
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,400
that's like

1520
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,500
my current imagination of what it's

1521
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,119
going to be yeah and that's also what

1522
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:20,040
I'm going to have to do to all of my

1523
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:23,400
content if

1524
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:26,780
um they decide to revoke the 1.1 sorry

1525
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,780
the 1.0 OTL

1526
00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:31,920
it's just such a pain and again at that

1527
00:59:29,819 --> 00:59:33,660
point you're just like if people are

1528
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,000
doing systems that are just

1529
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:38,640
the dindi rule book passed through an AI

1530
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,680
to thesaurus eyes and uh it's in the

1531
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,540
numerize all those words then it's like

1532
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,180
just pointless it's just a waste of time

1533
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:47,839
like yeah it's like it's not even D

1534
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:51,859
anymore it's just Ampersand like

1535
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:51,859
what is this where's my content

1536
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,440
um

1537
00:59:53,099 --> 00:59:57,119
I I'm trying to think like how could I

1538
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:00,599
didn't exercise the stuff I had in mind

1539
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:03,660
one one chapter and those who follow my

1540
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:04,920
my campaign uh and that did get streamed

1541
01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:06,960
it was

1542
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,720
that could be genericized because it was

1543
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,099
some time Loop thing I ran where all the

1544
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,500
characters were stripped of their

1545
01:00:11,099 --> 01:00:16,799
abilities and Magic anyway so it was it

1546
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:18,359
was paired back to very Bare Bones in

1547
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:21,000
fact that we didn't barely roll any Dice

1548
01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:22,799
and there was barely any checks and that

1549
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,339
was kind of the intention I wanted to do

1550
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:28,319
so that that that might be safe

1551
01:00:26,339 --> 01:00:30,780
the other one I was doing yeah not so

1552
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:33,440
much that one's that one's full-on like

1553
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:36,299
there's a dragon there's a green dragon

1554
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:38,460
it exhibits these personality traits

1555
01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:40,980
that are ripped from the monster manual

1556
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:43,079
so here's something that I want to ask

1557
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:46,559
you though the way that you and I are

1558
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:47,880
talking about it we are going like we've

1559
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,319
we've been talking about the way we've

1560
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,599
made the foregone conclusions like well

1561
01:00:49,319 --> 01:00:53,579
we're not going to sign the new ogl but

1562
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:55,319
is that how you feel do you see a world

1563
01:00:53,579 --> 01:00:56,940
where you would just go oh look I'll

1564
01:00:55,319 --> 01:00:58,140
just sign it screw it I'll put the badge

1565
01:00:56,940 --> 01:01:00,660
on I don't care

1566
01:00:58,140 --> 01:01:03,480
well to loot back to what I said at once

1567
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:07,619
once if it becomes clear that

1568
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:09,839
they could just rip it and use it for

1569
01:01:07,619 --> 01:01:11,760
their own and not even basically credit

1570
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:13,559
you to it and republish it as how they

1571
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,700
want it may have sounded earlier on like

1572
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:17,400
I don't have any morals like I would

1573
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:19,020
sell myself for a tax break but there is

1574
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,700
there is a there is a there is a moat

1575
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:22,680
within me that would be like no that

1576
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:25,260
that's my thing and I wanna I wanna keep

1577
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:27,180
it my thing and that's wrong that they

1578
01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:29,400
would do that so in that case no I would

1579
01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:30,720
I would probably be like that's I kind

1580
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,299
of wanted a thing to be mine I want that

1581
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:36,240
thing to be uniquely down low and if I

1582
01:01:33,299 --> 01:01:38,160
give it away then it's it's no longer

1583
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,540
it's out in this this weird amorphous

1584
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,760
Wilderness where

1585
01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:44,099
it can change and be repurposed and

1586
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,980
republished and God knows where it's

1587
01:01:44,099 --> 01:01:48,960
going to end up uh I would perhaps try

1588
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:50,520
and genericize it but again I have the

1589
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,799
benefit of

1590
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:56,460
being lazy and having not written much

1591
01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:58,380
so well and not just anything I I want

1592
01:01:56,460 --> 01:02:00,960
to I want to test your feelings on this

1593
01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:02,099
I want to test your morals so at the

1594
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,799
moment the way you're imagining is like

1595
01:02:02,099 --> 01:02:06,180
well they could use it any way they want

1596
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:08,220
right they don't even have to credit me

1597
01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:10,260
what if they did have to credit with you

1598
01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:13,200
would you be okay with that

1599
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:15,059
yeah yeah that would be a lot better I'm

1600
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:18,059
I'm I am in my business life my

1601
01:02:15,059 --> 01:02:19,619
professional life a huge huge proponent

1602
01:02:18,059 --> 01:02:21,540
of transparency and credit where

1603
01:02:19,619 --> 01:02:22,799
credit's due I'm very much a you know I

1604
01:02:21,540 --> 01:02:24,960
want to be a leader and not manager so

1605
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:26,700
like hey the team did this not me I just

1606
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,200
told them when it had to be done by some

1607
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:30,900
like the credit goes to them and not to

1608
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,940
me so that Cascades down into this kind

1609
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:34,740
of stuff where

1610
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:38,280
the credit is due to me then [ __ ]

1611
01:02:34,740 --> 01:02:41,099
give it to me yeah man what about this

1612
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,200
imagine if they went it goes both ways

1613
01:02:41,099 --> 01:02:47,339
you know if you use our content you make

1614
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:51,059
750 000 from using our content then you

1615
01:02:47,339 --> 01:02:53,160
have to pay us 25 of what you earn what

1616
01:02:51,059 --> 01:02:55,440
if they use your content

1617
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,260
and they make a bunch of money then they

1618
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,540
have to start paying you

1619
01:02:57,260 --> 01:03:02,760
that would be yeah that would be cool

1620
01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:04,559
and imagine imagine that's what happens

1621
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,359
imagine you you're about to go to bed

1622
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:08,040
imagine you go to bed now you wake up in

1623
01:03:06,359 --> 01:03:11,280
eight hours and

1624
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:14,040
it's they've they've released the 1.1 B

1625
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,900
officially released and it says in there

1626
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,960
if we make any money for your stuff you

1627
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:21,180
get 25 of it imagine the world that that

1628
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:24,180
would we would be living in that'd be so

1629
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:25,619
good and then and then like uh actually

1630
01:03:24,180 --> 01:03:27,420
what actually wakes me up is Chris

1631
01:03:25,619 --> 01:03:29,220
Perkins with a gun in the badge kicking

1632
01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:31,640
in my door I think he's going to drag me

1633
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:36,140
away but he actually sent a check

1634
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:36,140
here you go okay thanks Dad

1635
01:03:37,819 --> 01:03:43,760
of this episode can we have that be the

1636
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:43,760
by the way

1637
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:50,520
um yeah that would be that would be so

1638
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,740
wild and then uh

1639
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,780
Matthew Master gets his his Kickback for

1640
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:57,299
uh The Blood Hunter and the and the

1641
01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:59,040
Gunslinger yeah and he just put puts in

1642
01:03:57,299 --> 01:04:01,680
his big pot of money next to him and a

1643
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,720
couple of coins on top and there yeah

1644
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,000
yeah yeah I love that we're doing kind

1645
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:08,700
of like after credit scenes but for D

1646
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,700
and D I like okay so and Matt Colville

1647
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:14,339
he gets off the phone with Mr

1648
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:16,200
Kickstarter and he says

1649
01:04:14,339 --> 01:04:18,420
thanks for thanks for negotiating on our

1650
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,940
behalf Mr Kickstarter he says no problem

1651
01:04:18,420 --> 01:04:22,440
Matt he says and then Matt goes I love

1652
01:04:20,940 --> 01:04:24,420
you and then he hangs up the phone and

1653
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:27,440
he turns around and he walks back into

1654
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:27,440
the mcbm building

1655
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:33,240
I know I'm out of ideas

1656
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:36,799
there's a baby crying in a crab he just

1657
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,799
hushes it to sleep and then

1658
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:42,359
and thank you so much Matthew no thanks

1659
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:44,660
thank Wizards of the Coast thank you

1660
01:04:42,359 --> 01:04:47,400
that's that's that

1661
01:04:44,660 --> 01:04:49,920
yeah that's cool

1662
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,900
that should be the DND movie that's what

1663
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,839
they should do

1664
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:58,400
like why are they doing that

1665
01:04:54,839 --> 01:04:58,400
among Thieves all makes sense

1666
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,660
oh God it is is the honor of among

1667
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:06,420
Thieves DND film The they're gonna

1668
01:05:03,660 --> 01:05:08,099
release the ogl at the end that's gonna

1669
01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:11,520
be the post credits of order among these

1670
01:05:08,099 --> 01:05:13,380
is a 9 000 Word document Scrolls up on

1671
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,579
the cinema screen and you have to sit

1672
01:05:13,380 --> 01:05:16,579
there and watch it yeah

1673
01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:23,579
there's all these mums and partners that

1674
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,260
are like what the [ __ ] is that

1675
01:05:23,579 --> 01:05:27,180
and like the four nerds in the cinema

1676
01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:29,040
they're like nope this is very important

1677
01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:30,299
this is important if we honestly if you

1678
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,819
blink you are going straight to prison

1679
01:05:30,299 --> 01:05:35,160
do you have any do you have any

1680
01:05:32,819 --> 01:05:37,920
predictions like like is this final

1681
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,960
final thoughts like what do you think

1682
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:42,660
will happen like we can maim and

1683
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:45,180
catastrophize and enjoy the drama of you

1684
01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:46,740
know slagging off Wizards of the Coast

1685
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:47,819
but like what do you think will actually

1686
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:49,500
happen

1687
01:05:47,819 --> 01:05:52,140
as with most things that we kind of

1688
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:54,420
touched upon a lot of it's going to be

1689
01:05:52,140 --> 01:05:55,980
a a storm and a teacup and now I don't

1690
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:57,480
want to say that and belittle people

1691
01:05:55,980 --> 01:05:59,220
such as yourselves who are going to be

1692
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,980
you know people's lives are affected by

1693
01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:03,599
this ruined yes yeah I don't wanna I

1694
01:06:01,980 --> 01:06:06,180
don't wanna you know downplay that just

1695
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:10,200
for the for the record I don't want to

1696
01:06:06,180 --> 01:06:11,940
downplay that but as a cultural icon as

1697
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,599
a thing that people do on a regular

1698
01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:17,339
basis as we've said that is not gonna

1699
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:20,880
change you know there'll still be d d

1700
01:06:17,339 --> 01:06:23,760
clubs yeah in my local Town they'll

1701
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,319
still be kids throwing dice barely

1702
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,579
understanding the rules but having a

1703
01:06:25,319 --> 01:06:28,520
great time which is the most important

1704
01:06:26,579 --> 01:06:31,500
thing in DND

1705
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:33,900
6e1 whatever you want to call it that is

1706
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:35,339
still going to happen despite the the

1707
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:37,440
Twitter poll I saw recently that was

1708
01:06:35,339 --> 01:06:40,200
like are you going elsewhere 95 of

1709
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,819
people saying yes right probably

1710
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:45,420
probably not

1711
01:06:41,819 --> 01:06:46,680
um like that there is very much that so

1712
01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:49,980
yes

1713
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:51,119
is it world changing no is money gonna

1714
01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:54,839
go

1715
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:56,640
left when it was going right yeah but

1716
01:06:54,839 --> 01:07:00,180
uh some people such as yourself gonna

1717
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:02,760
have to be a little bit more worried and

1718
01:07:00,180 --> 01:07:07,339
scared for yourselves yes and I'm sorry

1719
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:10,440
to hear that but maybe maybe I'm too

1720
01:07:07,339 --> 01:07:12,660
corporate into capitalistic minded and

1721
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,460
and to say like that's maybe we've had

1722
01:07:12,660 --> 01:07:16,140
the gravy train too long and they've

1723
01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:18,059
we've gotten away with it for free for

1724
01:07:16,140 --> 01:07:19,980
too long and now it's just the reality

1725
01:07:18,059 --> 01:07:21,000
of pretty much anything else like if I

1726
01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:22,680
wanted to use

1727
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,660
an Apple product

1728
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:27,660
like if I made an app

1729
01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:29,819
for the App Store they take they take

1730
01:07:27,660 --> 01:07:31,140
photos how much they take 50 I don't

1731
01:07:29,819 --> 01:07:32,579
know it's probably some obnoxiously high

1732
01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:36,839
amount isn't it that the Apple Store

1733
01:07:32,579 --> 01:07:39,059
take for apps on there and there's this

1734
01:07:36,839 --> 01:07:41,039
how different is it to that if I make a

1735
01:07:39,059 --> 01:07:43,740
module for DND

1736
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:45,240
that completely uses everything that has

1737
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:46,020
been provided by somebody else apart

1738
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:50,460
from

1739
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:53,339
my creative input then yeah 25 I don't

1740
01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:55,500
know I'd need to check the cup similar

1741
01:07:53,339 --> 01:07:58,020
things take so

1742
01:07:55,500 --> 01:08:01,380
I don't know maybe I'm too cynical and

1743
01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:02,819
too been brainwashed by capitalism to

1744
01:08:01,380 --> 01:08:04,859
see but

1745
01:08:02,819 --> 01:08:07,200
it's in it at the very least it's

1746
01:08:04,859 --> 01:08:09,539
interesting and I'm interested to see

1747
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:13,020
what's gonna happen it is interesting

1748
01:08:09,539 --> 01:08:16,080
yeah and even though like um

1749
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:18,779
I feel sentimental about d d

1750
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:21,060
if if they've made analysis and gone

1751
01:08:18,779 --> 01:08:23,400
this is the correct thing

1752
01:08:21,060 --> 01:08:24,719
they're probably right it's just that

1753
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,839
they want something different that I

1754
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:30,420
want you know what I mean and so even if

1755
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:31,759
it I think it will be worse for me no

1756
01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:34,440
matter what

1757
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:35,880
maybe imagine if they've done analysis

1758
01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:37,679
and when overall this will be better for

1759
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,480
the hobby imagine if they've they've

1760
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:41,279
worked that out imagine if they're right

1761
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:45,779
even if they were true it would still be

1762
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:50,160
worse for me but like I

1763
01:08:45,779 --> 01:08:52,560
don't trust their intent but I do trust

1764
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:55,020
their

1765
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:57,299
um ability to execute on their intent if

1766
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:59,580
that makes sense yeah I don't think

1767
01:08:57,299 --> 01:09:01,259
they're doing a stupid thing I just

1768
01:08:59,580 --> 01:09:03,839
don't know what their goal is right yeah

1769
01:09:01,259 --> 01:09:05,400
or like well I'm not sharing their goal

1770
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,960
and that's okay you know I don't think

1771
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,040
it's a moral what they're doing uh I

1772
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,319
just think it's

1773
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,420
something that's gonna suck for me for a

1774
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:16,080
little bit but dude I'm like a I'm like

1775
01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:18,000
a rat I'm tenacious somehow you know I'm

1776
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:21,060
still around

1777
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:24,380
that that's what I always say like I me

1778
01:09:21,060 --> 01:09:27,480
stupid little rainy England man

1779
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:30,540
does not have yourself writing and good

1780
01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:32,339
rainy England man yep

1781
01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:34,319
I need to update the thinking critically

1782
01:09:32,339 --> 01:09:36,719
buyer now to be like it's run by Rainey

1783
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,400
England Man Down Below uh

1784
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:41,040
because self-quoting is totally not

1785
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:44,100
arrogant at all um

1786
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:47,279
uh like I who am I to say I know better

1787
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:49,980
than teams of exceptionally well paid

1788
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,299
data analysts and marketers and MPR

1789
01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:53,219
people like

1790
01:09:51,299 --> 01:09:54,000
after it give the benefit of the doubt

1791
01:09:53,219 --> 01:09:56,040
to

1792
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,420
these huge companies that they know like

1793
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,679
they're not deliberately throwing

1794
01:09:57,420 --> 01:10:00,660
themselves under the bus like there's

1795
01:09:58,679 --> 01:10:02,580
they're not deliberately trying to

1796
01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:05,100
sabotage their own business

1797
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:06,780
many very clever people with huge stakes

1798
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:10,020
in the game have said

1799
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:12,239
overall this should be positive for at

1800
01:10:10,020 --> 01:10:14,040
least our bank accounts if not

1801
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,840
their bank accounts are based on people

1802
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:19,140
spending money so

1803
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:22,260
they want more people to spend money so

1804
01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:24,920
it just is as you said those pesky

1805
01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:24,920
people on the way

1806
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:29,040
uh that is all often the case

1807
01:10:27,719 --> 01:10:29,940
unfortunately

1808
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,780
um

1809
01:10:29,940 --> 01:10:34,679
but I'm glad that you are in your

1810
01:10:32,780 --> 01:10:37,560
characteristic High Spirits around it

1811
01:10:34,679 --> 01:10:39,179
that that makes me happy oh sweet man

1812
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,820
yeah I've got a plan I think it'll just

1813
01:10:39,179 --> 01:10:44,100
be a really bad

1814
01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:45,679
bit of time like the labor of having to

1815
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:47,640
genericize things will be actually

1816
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:49,199
frustrating and difficult and there's

1817
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,760
going to be things I can't genericize

1818
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:52,199
there's gonna be things that I've paid

1819
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,900
for and worked for and sold and people

1820
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:56,520
like that I'm gonna have to just Turf

1821
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:59,640
because I'm like there's no way I can

1822
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:01,500
genericize this Paladin subclass yeah

1823
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,179
you know

1824
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:06,000
um I just wonder how much time they'll

1825
01:11:03,179 --> 01:11:07,739
give me to do that yeah because there

1826
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,300
has been comments uh you know looking at

1827
01:11:07,739 --> 01:11:11,400
the article and stuff where it's like oh

1828
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:14,520
this is released next week so

1829
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,900
do do the thing now like I've seen that

1830
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,100
as well but like I'm not going to do

1831
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:18,719
anything until Wizards released a

1832
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:21,000
statement oh yeah yeah absolutely yeah

1833
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:23,400
until that comes out yeah doing the

1834
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,440
subclasses just quickly um

1835
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,640
have also been with another previous

1836
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:29,040
guest of the show I have been working on

1837
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,800
some like parody

1838
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,420
subclasses that are like jokes of some

1839
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,040
other thing we've been working on

1840
01:11:33,420 --> 01:11:37,260
um you know other popular culture things

1841
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,940
so like not really legitimate like the

1842
01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:41,940
balance and stuff because

1843
01:11:38,940 --> 01:11:41,940
so

1844
01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:45,360
[Laughter]

1845
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,860
um but they are you know they're not

1846
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,380
meant to be taken into like your super

1847
01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:51,120
gritty campaign yeah they haven't been

1848
01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:53,060
released yet and now I'm like oh

1849
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,739
I guess maybe

1850
01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:57,480
maybe that has the stop which would be a

1851
01:11:55,739 --> 01:11:59,580
shame uh because again there's no way

1852
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:02,280
the whole point of the joke is that it's

1853
01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:05,340
done up like a serious face DND you know

1854
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:09,420
subclass and it's oh I guess now maybe

1855
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:12,140
we wouldn't be able to do that uh

1856
01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:14,340
but that's using the SRD and like that

1857
01:12:12,140 --> 01:12:16,320
the person I was working with was very

1858
01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:18,120
much like if we stick to SRD then you

1859
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,500
know you can't use that spell and I've

1860
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,360
gone I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm

1861
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:24,540
doing so sorry I just do some random

1862
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:26,520
spells but I understand now um

1863
01:12:24,540 --> 01:12:28,500
and then we'll be fine but even that is

1864
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,900
now like put into question of as you

1865
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:33,840
said like as soon as you use Paladin

1866
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:35,400
that's it that's whoops you're you're in

1867
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,900
the same bucket as everybody in the same

1868
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,580
ship as everyone else I'm gonna have

1869
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:39,659
instead of a paladin subclass I'm gonna

1870
01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:43,440
have to do a

1871
01:12:39,659 --> 01:12:47,600
power friend uh

1872
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:47,600
uh Pala friend variant

1873
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:52,800
yeah yeah

1874
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:55,679
holy Warrior guys I almost said cleric

1875
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:58,440
can't say that do you reckon you could

1876
01:12:55,679 --> 01:13:00,780
use an AI to go like I'm going to plug

1877
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:03,000
in my subclass that I wrote and just go

1878
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:07,080
I need you to substitute all the illegal

1879
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:08,820
words please yeah absolutely uh yeah

1880
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yeah and you're gonna get some some

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maybe some mangled text out the other

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side but hey at least you won't have to

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give your money to

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Wizards of the Coast that's it

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did you have anything else you wanted to

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,360
talk about on this topic oh no can I

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01:13:21,719 --> 01:13:25,860
plug my stuff up absolutely even it okay

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01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,980
you've done this Rodeo before you know

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that yeah

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yeah I'm out of I'm out of ogl knowledge

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but tell you what I do have plenty of

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01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,440
time and I like to talk about

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Duggins and Durkins which is what I

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01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:42,420
legally have to call it now

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um so my name is Matthew Perkins my

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01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:47,040
handle on everything is at hey it's

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01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,840
maddiepie and over on YouTube I am doing

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:52,739
videos about dragons of storm record

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:55,199
which is the 2022 starter set and dude I

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transform this data set into something

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01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:59,580
real fun if you've got somebody in your

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life that has wanted to get into DND

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01:13:59,580 --> 01:14:04,920
wants to try running it maybe a niece or

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,179
a nephew or your girlfriend your brother

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01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,880
whoever it is and they're feeling

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01:14:06,179 --> 01:14:11,100
nervous send them these videos give them

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01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,800
this data set cost 20 bucks it's about a

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01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:17,280
four session long campaign and my videos

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01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:20,340
will help you transform that into a

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really memorable experience and if I

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haven't been sued into Oblivion then

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there's also resources on my patreon

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please subscribe to this picture now is

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the time

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uh yeah no absolutely as mentioned at

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the head of the show maps number four uh

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for the pressure episodes please go

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check that one out as well and I

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understand that both the starter set

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that proceeded uh storm record is that

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correct yeah

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um have been a bit trickier so like like

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absolutely there's value in heaven

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01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:53,820
there's you know someone some an expert

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if you'll allow me to to call you to

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01:14:53,820 --> 01:14:57,300
hold your hand and guide you through

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those experiences like that is a known

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thing that is very useful so please

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,580
absolutely go and check it out uh as

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usual

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all the links will be in the episode

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description below just checking if it's

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still Below on YouTube and it it is uh

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it is I can now do this and people know

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like it's a thing that's that's

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happening

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uh so please go and check out Matty P's

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stuff there as well as Twitter and and

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everything right we talk on Twitter and

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yeah yeah it's the same handle

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everywhere at HP on every platform uh

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which is honestly really gratifying I

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was so glad I got that handled nobody

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take it anywhere if they make like a

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smelling bloody social media it's mellow

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smellogram

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there I'm gonna get my dad to sue you

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uh you mean Matthew the other Matthew

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Perkins

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the other Maggie Perkins the other the

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Chris Perkins

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[Laughter]

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uh yes absolutely cool all right well

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will that brings us to the end of

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today's discussion on Ogle ogl

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uh yeah so all one final thing I have to

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say thank you very much Matthew P for

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:10,560
joining us today oh no problem man one

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last thing I want to say is like just

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asterisks just so I think I said Chris

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Perkins isn't really my dad it's a good

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friend a gaff I'm sorry absolutely

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absolutely yes uh and no one's gonna

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kick down your door that that's also for

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parody only yeah satire uh yeah so yeah

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thank you so much to Maggie P for

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jumping on again always a pleasure thank

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you everybody at home for listening I

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hope you've enjoyed this return to the

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show after our holiday break

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as usual check me out on all my socials

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unfortunately you don't have the same

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01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,820
tag everywhere because I'm an idiot and

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01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,620
don't know what I'm doing most of the

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time uh but someone thinking

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01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:50,280
critically.co.uk so check it out all

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there otherwise thank you everybody for

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listening

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bye

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and now it's time for the patreon shout

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outs thank you to Joe from the fourth

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leg podcast again two-time guests of the

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show and the fourth leg is a ttrpg

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01:17:04,140 --> 01:17:09,179
podcast all about giving new GMS a leg

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01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:12,420
to stand on please go and check them out

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01:17:09,179 --> 01:17:15,060
at the fourth leg on Twitter thank you

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01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:16,920
to optional rule a two-time guest of the

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01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:18,679
show and a very insightful and

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01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:22,219
knowledgeable source of information

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please check them out at

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www.optionalrules.com huge huge huge

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thank you to a great friend of the show

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Matthew Perkins who's out there making

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hilarious and educational Dungeons and

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Dragons content please go and check out

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his stuff at Matthew perkins.net where

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you can find links to all of his socials

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01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:42,300
and all of his content including his own

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patreon which I would very much

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encourage you to check out

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thank you to matchstreet at mp street88

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on Twitter for supporting the show if

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you need support running your personal

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or business schedule head to virtualtime

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difference between should do and done

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lost it better with support from cat who

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and get four shout outs a month head

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